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1.2 million people have voted in the no asset sales referendum so far

Written By: - Date published: 7:59 pm, December 10th, 2013 - 175 comments
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But we need more.  So persuade your family, friends, colleagues, acquaintances or people that you have a passing relationship to send in their voting papers.  Time is running out …

175 comments on “1.2 million people have voted in the no asset sales referendum so far”

  1. Dumrse 1

    There is no need to vote. The assets are gone just like JK said they would during the election campaign. Jobs done. Finito. Find another cause.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 1.1

      …provide a mandate for compulsory reacquisition of our stuff on our terms. Drive a stake into the heart of Tory maggots.

      • infused 1.1.1

        yawn.

      • SWYD 1.1.2

        yes because that makes prefect sense to put the country back into debt, when they are trying to get the country out of debt, Perhaps if Dr Cullen hadnt lied about the state of the government finances for so long and had actually done his job there would be no need for asset sales. Oh wait and how about the greens and labour crashing the price of the shares then gloating about it. Yes your name says it all mate get a clue.

        • Paul 1.1.2.1

          Maybe you should check the facts before you make nonsensical statements.
          This government has got into so much debt it’s not true. See article below.

          http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9380846/Public-debt-climbs-by-27m-a-day

          “Government debt has reached $60 billion, having climbed $27 million a day since John Key became prime minister – and forecasts show it will rise for years to come.

          It already equates to 28 per cent of New Zealand’s economic output, is more than $13,000 for every person in New Zealand and is forecast to climb by another $10b by 2017.

          When National took control of the Beehive in 2008, debt was just over $10b, but Finance Minister Bill English said it inherited an expanding public sector at a time when the economy was shrinking.”

          Educate yourself.

    • Arfamo 1.2

      Not strictly true. The result should answer the question of whether National did have a mandate for state asset sales. If the answer is no, the next election will be much more interesting.

      • Disraeli Gladstone 1.2.1

        They did. They had the policy in their manifesto. They ran on it. They formed a government with a majority made from support parties that also publicly said they would vote for it (contrary to urban folklore, United Dunne did say they would support limited asset sales).

        They had a mandate.

        And you know what? When Labour + Greens have a majority in 2014 (which they probably will) campaigning on reversing the asset sales (… which I’m not sure Labour will to be honest) then they will have a mandate to take the assets back.

        All this talk of mandates is just odd. The only argument for National not having a mandate was if they had sprung the policy out after the 2011 election. That would have been not having a mandate. That would have been worthy of protests, referendums and genuine anger.

        • Arfamo 1.2.1.1

          What stops me from agreeing with you is that 30% of electors didn’t vote at all, and National was elected by a minority of eligible voters. So no, I don’t see that they did have a mandate.

          • Dumrse 1.2.1.1.1

            30% don’t vote so don’t now have a say and you, need to stop fucking claiming that 30%.

            • Arfamo 1.2.1.1.1.1

              No mate, you need to wonder how many of those 30% will vote next time. And they won’t be voting National, will they?

            • Mary 1.2.1.1.1.2

              Can Afamo claim some of the 30%? How about the percentage of voters in the referendum who said no to the sales? Extrapolate that, Dumrse.

            • TightyRighty 1.2.1.1.1.3

              but the picture above says if you don’t vote, JK will claim it. now the lefties are claiming it? i’m fairly certain they can share it. oh look, mandate. much math, many votes. so wow

              • framu

                so youve established that the argument works both ways

                which is kind of the point isnt it?

                aint mandate claiming a bitch?

                • TightyRighty

                  it does, but given that national got elected with asset sales a key plank of their election manifesto, the intellectual argument comes down heavily in their favour. same with the philosophical argument about the democratic process involved.

                  i’m guessing the deciding factor would be actually having the authority to sell the assets. that’s a mandate.

                  • framu

                    considering that the result of a single issue referendum has more bearing on that issue than an election result, and that an election result only gives you the mandate to govern, and that were an MMP democracy – i dont see how that even works

                    see my comment 1.2.1.6 below

                    • TightyRighty

                      so no policies campaigned on can then be enacted without an actual majority for a single party in parliament. great grasp of mmp there.

                      governing is more than just being a caretaker. when you win an election, and under mmp, cobble together the winning coalition to govern, you get three years to shape the countries future with the policy mix you think is best.

                      national clearly signalled their policy intentions in their first term of government, labour, greens and nzf clearly opposed them. labour and the greens made it a major election campaign policy. an election was fought, national got enough votes to control the treasury benches and enact policy. the other didn’t get enough votes to prevent this in parliament. this is fact.

                      it’s how a parliamentary democracy works. deal with it. your broken record rantings are looking more and more idiotic by the day.

                    • framu

                      yeah im actually saying pretty much the same thing pissy britches.

                      no policy campaigned on can be enacted without first winning all stages of the democratic process

                      the mandate for a policy comes from the result of the democratic process and not from winning an election.

                      agree or disagree?

                      “national clearly signalled their policy intentions in their first term of government, labour, greens and nzf clearly opposed them. labour and the greens made it a major election campaign policy. an election was fought, national got enough votes to control the treasury benches and enact policy. the other didn’t get enough votes to prevent this in parliament. this is fact.”

                      yes of course thats a fact – but thats not whats being claimed when people say “the election gave us a mandate to do this” – all it gave them was a mandate to govern and some certainty of having the numbers

                      agree or disagree?

                      If the ref gives a strong result against sales this is a mandate from the people that bothered to vote against selling them and runs counter to, and nullifies all previous mandate claims on this issue

                      agree or disagree?

                    • TightyRighty

                      disagree on all points. the policy doesn’t have to be popular to be right. the national government has proven, despite the unpopularity of one policy, the same policy which was also the single biggest campaign plank of the opposition, that it is the best pair of hands to govern.

                      it was the total mix of policy which gave national the mandate to govern and enact policy. they don’t need to acquiesce to cherry picking arguments now.

                      enough voters got over their dislike of asset sales to vote for national when it counted. that’s all that really matters.

                    • framu

                      how does policy get passed tighty – by debate and vote in parliament or by winning an election?

                      its a really entry level easy question

                      you call me idiotic but cant seem to grasp this one really simple concept – prove me wrong

                      also – you did spot that disagreeing on my first point sort of marks you as some what anti democratic?

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      Ah, electorates can be such fickle things. Next they’ll be voting to drive the share price down to firesale prices so we can reacquire the lot at a tidy profit.

                    • TightyRighty

                      it’s a two step process framu. you’ve got the steps in the wrong order, but i think you are starting to get it

                    • framu

                      now your just being stupid – its an either/or question dimwit

                      how does policy get passed tighty – by debate and vote in parliament or by winning an election?

                      pick one

                  • Kaplan

                    You are right, national being elected is a reality that allowed them to implement their policies.

                    The referendum getting enough support to run and looking like it is heading for a great turn out is also a reality.

                    If you are going to claim one is a mandate given by the people, Tighty, then you need to accept the other.

                    Deal with it.

                    • TightyRighty

                      nope. ones binding, the other isn’t. it’s an unpopular policy, but that doesn’t make it wrong. it takes a brave man to stand in front of the mob and tell them something they don’t like.

                    • framu

                      tighty – what would you be saying if the MOM policy didnt get enough votes to pass even though the nats campaigned on it?

                      unlikely yes – but its a hypothetical

                      ” it’s an unpopular policy,” – umm – mandate?

            • adam 1.2.1.1.1.4

              So your saying the 30% who see the system as completely corrupt are wrong? The 30% and growing – who know there vote don’t mean shit because politicians, the corporations and the super rich make sure the system is rigged in their favour. This means that an election is binding?

              The right in this country and sections of the left are deluded – the majority know the place is corrupt, the system is corrupt and that the average person who participates in this system will just get shafted like they have for the last 30 years.

            • Corey 1.2.1.1.1.5

              @dumrse – That is pure BS mate, I didn’t vote for a party because not one of them represents me or my political views. So why the hell would I vote for one of them? “lesser of two evils” is also a BS argument because it gives support (mandate) for something you still don’t believe in. So, I say – add the “vote no confidence” box to the election paper and I’ll be ticking that. You do not support a system you do not agree with and that does not remove your right to complain, protest or even get bloody angry at what’s happening in Wellington. Not that is matters once the TPPA is signed wellington will become a slave to its real masters.

              • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill)

                Hi Corey,

                Good point and good to hear from someone who didn’t vote.

                The thing is you can’t not vote and not effect the outcome of a general election. By not voting you fairly much allow the status quo to occur.

                Sure, one vote isn’t going to make a difference, however if everyone who feels the way you do (I’m sure there are many because I’ve met a fair few) chose the party that is the closest to your views, then this would effect the politics in NZ.

                There are many parties in the system we have in NZ and we are actually in a better position to effect the outcome than Americans or Brits due to our having MMP

                This system works by pressure and by not voting no one knows why you haven’t voted.

                This is why your suggestion re ‘vote of no confidence’ is a good one, however until that option is included you continue to effect the outcome of elections – most likely in a way that goes right against your own wishes for NZ – whether you vote or not.

          • alwyn 1.2.1.1.2

            That is a very dangerous position to take. By saying this you are, in effect, agreeing with the poster across Key’s photo at the head of this post.
            If you say that “National was elected by a minority of eligible voters” and therefore “I don’t see that they did have a mandate” then to be consistent you have to allow the claim, assuming that the NO votes in this referendum are less than half the roll, that “Less than half the electorate voted no on asset sales so there is no mandate to buy them back”.
            Of course you could follow the Cunliffe method and go “Yeah Nah”. Consistency is not, of course, his strong point.

            • Arfamo 1.2.1.1.2.1

              My position is hardly “dangerous”. It’s simply fact. I have no opinion on whether another government has a mandate to buy them back. That is not a question in the referendum. I merely observe that Key has cunningly got what he wanted, and the majority of voters in New Zealand have not. They’ve got shafted and have seen no benefits whatsoever from these dodgy deals.

              • alwyn

                By “dangerous” I mean that it leaves you open to the argument that, if less than 50% of the roll vote no, you cannot, while being consistent, argue that the people were really opposed to the asset sales. Of course if you don’t care about being consistent in your arguments you can claim anything

                • Arfamo

                  I don’t see any inconsistency in what I have said. I don’t buy into your paradigm. It’s too limited in scope to pay attention to.

        • Colonial Viper 1.2.1.2

          The NATs “mandate” is going to cost them the next election. Think about that for a sec.

          • TightyRighty 1.2.1.2.1

            Care to make a bet? nats lose the election due to asset sales, i’ll piss off for good from here. national win, despite your assertions about the impact of asset sales, you have to write a post titled “TightyRighty was right all along, about everything” and take a year off from here.

            • TightyRighty 1.2.1.2.1.1

              and the content of the post can’t be sarcastic.

              I’ll specify a list of things you are wrong about and I am right about, you’ll publish it agreeing that i was right all along.

              i’ll also write a post about how the left fought the good fight and won if national lose too to even things up.

              • you_fool

                I will admit you are right about Nat winning if they do? Since that is the one fact that will be proven one way or the other.

              • Colonial Viper

                Yeah. Nope.

                • Melb

                  Big claims, but unwilling to put anything on it.

                • TightyRighty

                  all talk. what a surprise. no wonder clare wanted to gag you. you’re just a …

                  [CV has said nothing to justify you making that claim. This is a pointless personal attack. How about you address the subject matter TR? - MS]

                  • TightyRighty

                    he’s said a lot actually MS. He talks constantly. I offered him a wager as he is so certain of his predictions, he declined. CV loves to talk a massive game but won’t put up the currency to back himself.

                    throwing comments about what needs to be done, what will happen etc etc endlessly.

                    at least now we know CV is all talk and no substance

                    • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill)

                      @ TightyRighty

                      “throwing comments about what needs to be done, what will happen etc etc endlessly. “

                      ….yeah this might come as a shock to you but some view CV’s activities as very important facets of a functioning society (along with others’ on this site) – that of thinking about things – being informed and informing others.

                      Your comment displays the culture of anti-intellectualism that I abhor in this country.

                      How do you go about doing something intelligently with positive consequences if no one is thinking about the wider issues?

                      How do you vote for an effective government if you don’t understand what their policies are or the consequences of them?

                      Whether one chooses to make a bet or not should not be the defining factor in whether a person’s activities are worthy or not – I suggest you revise your views on the matter.

                    • TightyRighty

                      anti-intellectualism? to what level are you qualified blue leopard? What non-fiction titles have you read in the last twelve months? do you hold more than a passing interest in the classical arts?

                      I don’t think CV doesn’t think about things, i think he thinks he thinks because he talks so much and such conviction he must be right. I’m just inviting him to put his money where his mouth is.

                      Those that can do, those that can’t……

                    • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill)

                      @ Tighty Righty

                      It is clear that you’ve missed my point.

                      CV (and others’) activity here is about thinking things out how are things best done – what is the most likely way we can move forward together creating the best circumstances for the most people?

                      CV and others can continue to do that and others who are ‘at the coal face’ of these issues (i.e. in this context: politician) may read and follow through with the ideas rising out of the brainstorming going on here. Not everyone is required to act – some can play the role of thinking this is what I am referring to ‘intellectualism’.

                      As it stands you make an assumption that CV does nothing other than write or ‘think’ on this site. Having released his identity a few weeks/months back I think you’d be sorely mistaken on that assumption.

                      What has my qualifications or interests in the arts got to do with what I’ve commented about anothers’ ability to think? I guess you equate ‘intellectualism’ with a formal qualification or interest in the arts (?). These are wrong-minded assumptions to make. And whatever way you are attacking you are assuming things that are incorrect about me too.

          • Enough is Enough 1.2.1.2.2

            CV

            It won’t matter if they lose the election.

            They have done what they set out to do.

            They will prefer to be in power for ever but in terms of internal goals set in 2008, it will be mission accomplished.

        • Kaplan 1.2.1.3

          I would like to see someone put this to Key:
          “As a national supporter that did not want any assets sold but would prefer National over Labour to form the government, are you telling me the only way I could say NO to asset sales was to vote for Labour at the last election?”

          • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 1.2.1.3.1

            Very good point Kaplan

            • grumpy 1.2.1.3.1.1

              No, not really. It was clear hat a lot of National supporters did not want “assets sold” but would go with “partial sales”, ie a minority stake sold.
              The term “asset sales” is misleading as the taxpayer still owns the controlling interest.

              • you_fool

                Your statement is misleading, as there are laws which stop the 51% majority owner from acting against the wishes of the 49% so really it hasn’t helped that much – I might have been more comfortable with a sell down to 60-75%, then this argument would have held water…

              • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill)

                @ Grumpy

                Rubbish! You are quibbling over words. ‘Asset sales’ refers to the partial sale of assets.

                By quibbling over words you omit to address Kaplan’s good point.
                Kaplan’s comment raises an issue over presenting a general election as being an endorsement over every single policy a party puts forward. What choice did a person have if they didn’t agree with partial asset sales yet still supported a National government. It is pretty clear that some voted for National whilst still being against partial asset sales.

                You do not address this point

                If the National party had wanted to honour people’s wishes they needed to revise their plan. They had every opportunity to do this.

                They didn’t because they have their own agenda over and above the interests of the majority of New Zealanders.

                + what you_fool says.

        • Te Reo Putake 1.2.1.4

          “(contrary to urban folklore, United Dunne did say they would support limited asset sales). ”

          Yeah, the last bloke to make that claim took the best part of a week to find a single obscure occasion where Dunne kinda said he’d be voting for it. It wasn’t in the literature, it wasn’t in the ads and it appears that Dunne lucked his way through the campaign grateful that nobody pressed him on the matter.

          • Steve Wrathall 1.2.1.4.1

            If the people of Ohariu didn’t want asset sales they had the opportunity to elect Charles Chauvel as their MP.

            • you_fool 1.2.1.4.1.1

              Despite the fact they almost did, and that the haired one isn’t an automatic Nat toadie, thus may have been against asset sales all along if Lab had been more organised. I would almost think that votes for United Future shouldn’t count either way as Peter Dunne would go both ways depending on which would give him the most comfortable chair.

        • Frank Macskasy 1.2.1.5

          Actually, Gladstone, when you take into account the Conservative Party vote at the last election, more people voted for parties OPPOSED to asset sales than in favour.

          The Conservatives won more votes than ACT, but it was ACT that got a seat in Parliament because of the manipulation of MMP by the Nats.(See figures here: http://fmacskasy.wordpress.com/mandates-majorities/)

          • Steve Wrathall 1.2.1.5.1

            That’s not how our system of democracy works

            • Frank Macskasy 1.2.1.5.1.1

              Indeed, Steve. But the numbers don’t lie;

              Votes for Parties in favour of asset sales: 1,095,968

              Votes for Parties opposed to asset sales: 1,125,240

              Perhaps the current system of democracy is flawed when a majority voter result is ignored?

              After all, that is why we moved from FPP to MMP in 1993.

        • framu 1.2.1.6

          “They had a mandate.”

          the only mandate you get from an election result is the mandate to govern!

          for fucks sake – if what your saying is true why the hell did the MOM policy go through a democratic process, if the mandate is from the election result it wouldnt go down this route

          you cant have it both ways because one cancels out the other

          what would you be saying if the MOM policy didnt get enough votes to pass even though the nats campaigned on it?

          C’mon – theres a massive logic problem that everyone who uses the electoral mandate argument fails to answer, every single time

          question – where does any particular policy get its mandate form? The election result or as a result of going through a democratic process? – pick one or the other because you cant have both

        • felix 1.2.1.7

          “They had a mandate.

          And you know what? When Labour + Greens have a majority in 2014 (which they probably will) campaigning on reversing the asset sales (… which I’m not sure Labour will to be honest) then they will have a mandate to take the assets back.”

          Not just a mandate on reversing asset sales, according to your logic they’ll have a mandate for everything in the Labour and Green manifestos.

          Everything.

          All mandated.

          And not a peep from any of you lot, alright?

          Goodo.

    • mickysavage 1.3

      Um Dumrse heard about Genesis Energy?

    • Colonial Viper 1.4

      The votes are about a much bigger point than stopping what’s already been sold, just so you get it.

    • emergency mike 1.5

      Getting rid of NAct is the cause dumbarse.

    • poem 1.6

      Because if john key gets the chance he will sell off the remaining 51% of the assets Dumrse, your name is so appropriate.

  2. BM 2

    All yeses in this household.

    I for one, welcome our new asset owning overlords.

    • Arfamo 2.1

      Well, of course, I expect even your dog voted yes, but I’m interested in the final numbers, not the numbers in your household.

      • BM 2.1.1

        I’m picking a 45% -55% split in favor of the anti sales group.

        Key will be happy with the result.

        • Kaplan 2.1.1.1

          I’m picking 78% vote NO. From a total vote of around 1,350,000.
          Key will be relaxed about the result, despite more people saying NO to asset sales than voted for them at the last election.

          • Arfamo 2.1.1.1.1

            No, in that case Key will say he’s relaxed about the result, but in reality he’ll be shitting himself and planning his departure back to the world of big money.

          • Colonial Viper 2.1.1.1.2

            Pretty sure that it will cross 1.5M votes, actually. At least 75% no seems reasonable.

            Edit – and I think that there is an outside chance it will hit 1.6M.

            • Lanthanide 2.1.1.1.2.1

              I think that’s very unlikely. The official closing time is this Friday at 7pm. Only internationally sent votes received by next Tuesday before noon will be counted after this Friday.

              So there are 3 days left. To get to 1.5m we’d need ~100k on each of those days. It’s more likely to be around 30-45k + a handful of internationals.

              • miravox

                We only got our voting papers today. Can’t see them getting back to NZ by next Tuesday…

              • swordfish

                Yeah I have to agree. Can’t see it hitting 1.5 let alone 1.6. Already slowing to a trickle over recent days – hence the present post. Hoping for at least two-thirds “No”, but pref 70+ (and it’s a very rare day that I find myself disagreeing with CV. Once in a blue moon).

                • Ake ake ake

                  Last night, I spoke with a NZ friend of mine who still had not received the voting paper! Gave him the toll free number and he found out he was too late by a few hours to sort things out.

                  Just wondering: do people have to confirm and re-register or confirm enrolment on the roll? Just having been on the roll for the 2011 general election did not mean the voting paper would be automatically sent out?

                  • alwyn

                    He shouldn’t have had to provided he really was on the roll at the last election and is still at the same address. If he has changed address and didn’t advise them he wouldn’t receive any papers of course.

          • Lanthanide 2.1.1.1.3

            I think it’ll be more around 70-73%.

        • Conquestored 2.1.1.2

          Funny shit, sorry, but it’ll never happen, throw those lost hopes of scamming money of the poorer and tax payers in the drain. Continue the spree of poverty you endorse on another world.

    • gobsmacked 2.2

      Your Yes vote is much appreciated.

      Voting 101 … 60% is a big win, but 95% is too big. It’s much better to get 1.5 million votes with a meaningful minority, than 1 million votes with no opposition. “Elected unopposed” means nobody else bothered to turn up for the meeting.

      So thanks again. You’ve done well to boost our cause.

  3. Naki Man 3

    What a great idea wasting $9million on a non binding referendum. Brilliant
    Guess we can just print another $9 million, that will fix it aye Wussell. Dick head

    • Arfamo 3.1

      Great idea signing off your comments with your real name. You need to do something about your speech impediment, Mr Head.

    • mickysavage 3.2

      What an even greater idea wasting hundreds of millions of dollars on Australian Merchant Bankers, sweeteners and forgone dividends. Spending $9 million to try and stop the last couple of companies being trashed seems to be a really good idea.

      • Clemgeopin 3.2.1

        Spending 6B in five years as tax cuts to mostly help the wealthy and increase GST to 15% to affect the poor and the ordinary people the most is another BRILLIANT idea of this stupid government and hopeless money managers who have managed to turn a 10B debt inherited in 2,009 to 70B in just five years! A government run by a set of spinning nincompoops!

        • Naki Man 3.2.1.1

          How does increasing GST to 15% affect the poor the most
          People with high incomes are spending more money and paying more GST
          and much higher income tax rates also.Thanks to WWF if you have 2 kids, you don’t even
          pay income tax until you earn about $55k.Now you don’t have to be poor to get welfare

          • Will@Welly 3.2.1.1.1

            Naki – poor people spend all their money because they have too – they don’t have dosh left over at the end of the week to pirate away.
            Not everyone has kids or gets WWF – some of us are white trash – we just pay our taxes.
            The rest, mate, its what we get by on. No hand outs or hand ups from John Key. Just screwed.

          • Crunchtime 3.2.1.1.2

            If you’re rich enough you pay zero GST – because you can afford to get GST registered, and hire an accountant to write off everything as “expenses” so you get your GST back.

            Aside from that, the richer you are the more you can afford to:
            – buy overseas (pay no GST, mostly)
            – buy a house (no GST on those)
            – make investments (nope, no GST on that either)

            There’s so many ways that GST impacts the poor that the rich can avoid.

      • Naki Man 3.2.2

        Everyone knows the partial sale will continue. The referendum is just to wind people up.
        Waste of tax payers money. Find a real issue.

        • gobsmacked 3.2.2.1

          So, do you think the citizens’ referendum law should be scrapped?

          Or do you only want citizens to vote on subjects YOU support?

          The law is there, so it is used by the voters. Scrap it or keep it, which?

          • Naki Man 3.2.2.1.1

            I think this was organised by politians not citizens just as a wind up
            I don’t support the anti smacking law but that referendum was a waste of money also.
            Scrap it.

            • Colonial Viper 3.2.2.1.1.1

              It’s citizens rights in a democracy to voice their opinion. Many take that privilege very seriously in order to let the power elite know their displeasure. Apparently 1.2M New Zealanders agree (with more to come).

            • McFlock 3.2.2.1.1.2

              350k signatories and 1.2mil voters think you’re wrong on this one.

            • gobsmacked 3.2.2.1.1.3

              Well I hope National (who brought in the referendum law in the 1990’s, remember) do promise to scrap it, in the 2014 election.

              Then we can find out what the voters think. The next election would be a referendum on a referendum.

              Which is, of course, why National won’t go anywhere near such a promise.

        • Colonial Viper 3.2.2.2

          Naki Man. Why are you so afraid of the people voicing their opinion, en masse? If the rulers do not represent the people, that fact should be made plain and clear to all.

    • McFlock 3.3

      but Key will respect and obey the wishes of the nation regardless of the voting outcome, so the referendum doesn’t need to be “binding”. /sarc

  4. Clemgeopin 4

    This government had a Clayton’s mandate to sell assets, because obviously there would be many National voters too that would be opposed to asset sales, but would have still voted for National based on other policies. An election is NOT a referendum on a single important issue. In any case MOST people voted AGAINST this government than for!

    The mandate was for GOVERNING the country, but NOT necessarily for selling off of the assets.
    If the people really are for asset sales or not can ONLY be known by a specific referendum as is taking place right now. The result will answer the question beyond any doubt.

    • Clemgeopin 4.1

      [Fixed - MS]

    • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 4.2

      Well said Clemgeopin.

      It was possible to get an indication of how voters felt about asset sales by counting the numbers who voted for parties that did not support asset sales. Were they really interested in following policies supported by the voters they would have acknowledged more voted for parties against asset sales and revised their plan. The whole thing about gaining a mandate on asset sales via the general election is just utter bull.

    • LynWiper 4.3

      Excellent points Clemgeopin and bl.

      • swordfish 4.3.1

        Yep, spot-on, Clem and Blue. The idea that an election win means a broad mandate and endorsement of every single policy adopted by the winning party(ies) is tosh. As every poll on asset sales has shown, a significant majority of people oppose, including a large minority of 2011 Nat voters. Which is why, of course, Key/English conceded the No-vote will win by a hefty majority. They know full well they won DESPITE rather than BECAUSE OF.

    • alwyn 4.4

      Obviously, of course, there were a lot of Labour and Green voters who were in favour of asset sales but held their breath and voted for Labour or the Greens anyway because they were in favour of other left policies.
      There: I have just as much proof for this claim as you do for your one about National voters in the first paragraph you wrote. Given that National, Labour (Phill Goff) and the Green Party (Norman) all said that the election was a referendum on asset sales perhaps we should just believe them.

      • Tangled_up 4.4.1

        National and Act voters will support the sales by 61.9% and 73.5% respectively. 37.1% of National voters are against the sales.

        Labour (93.2%) and Green (94.4%) voters are firmly against the sales, along with 92.7% of New Zealand First voters, 71.7% of Conservative party and 54.8% of United Future voters.

        http://www.horizonpoll.co.nz/page/335/referendum-p

        • McFlock 4.4.1.1

          Hmmm.
          Extrapolating to 1.3mil referendum votes (pls check my working)

          So if there are 1.3mil ballots in the referendum, going by those numbers (if the R/L response rate is pretty even), 241k of the 650k tories vote no, but 604k left voters vote no.

          845k against vs 455k for sales.

          If the turnout is 2/3 left, that’s around 930k against from 1.3mil ballots.
          Getting close to that 1.05mil national vote in 2011, ain’t it.

        • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 4.4.1.2

          @ Tangled-Up

          Very nice refutation of Alwyn’s misguided comment there.

          • alwyn 4.4.1.2.1

            There are a few things wrong with this argument of course.
            One is that Horizon use a self selecting internet panel. That of course immediately introduces severe polling bias,
            A second one is that the poll being quoted was published on 23 October 2013, that is to say it was two years after the election. Clemgeopin was giving a hypothesis on how people were thinking when they cast their votes in the 2011 election. How can you possibly say that, even if they are from a valid poll, they reflect what people thought two years earliar?
            You may also choose to read what I said about the hypothesis I proposed.
            I said “I have just as much proof for my claim as you do for your one about National voters”
            I have fulfilled that. There is absoltely no evidence for how National voters thought at the 2011 election. There is of course, equally, no evidence for how Green and Labour voters thought in 2011 because I don’t believe there was ever a non-selecting poll, and possibly no poll at all, taken at that time.
            People may, and probably will vote against the asset sales in the referendum. That has nothing at all to do with how they thought two years ago.

            • Colonial Viper 4.4.1.2.1.1

              What they think now has a pretty good bearing on 2014 however.

              • alwyn

                Oh yes. It isn’t that I was commenting on, but it is very interesting for the election. As the Roy Morgan poll shows, there is absolutely nothing in it at the moment.
                What is that, possibly apochryphal, Chinese curse?
                “May you live in interesting times”

            • swordfish 4.4.1.2.1.2

              Just for starters, here’s a 3 News Reid Research Poll on asset sales in the immediate aftermath of the 2011 Election, my thoroughly, thoroughly confused one. (AKA alwyn)

              It’s Feb 2012 (so what’s that ? – 3 months after the election ?) and you’ll notice it’s on the specific question of the Key Government’s planned partial privatisations . You’ll also notice:
              (1) 62% of NZers opposed
              and
              (2) A third of Nat voters oppose (very similar to Tangled_up’s later 2013 figure)
              and
              (3) A year earlier (Feb 2011), the 3 News Reid Research Poll found 60% of all NZers opposed.

              http://www.3news.co.nz/Poll-shows-asset-sales-unpopular/tabid/1607/articleID/243681/Default.aspx

              • alwyn

                Thank you. I was looking for polls on the subject around the time of the election but didn’t find this, or indeed any of them.
                My God. It shows what the public thought of Goff personally, and the Labour party in general, if they thought this about what Goff defined the election to be and then Labour got the lowest percentage party vote in about 80 years.
                Luckily for Labour they have got rid of all their no-hoper MPs from 2011 and have a fresh new visage isn’t it?
                Oh wait, what new people? Still, 30.5 in the Roy Morgan poll is just a little better than the 27.5 they got in the election isn’t it?

                • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill)

                  Hmm…it appears, Alwyn, that you are attempting to change the subject so as to try and cover how thoroughly incorrect you’ve been proven….

                • swordfish

                  You were relatively gracious in the first sentence, alwyn – so much so that I was beginning to feel just a little tinge of guilt about my sarkie tone, but then you changed tack in the rest of the comment so, you know, not feeling quite so ashamed of myself now. Mind you, I don’t entirely disagree with your comments on Goff. On almost all of the substantive issues, a majority of voters favoured Labour’s policies over National’s and yet look what happened….

                  …..Then again, there’s a good argument to be made that the FPP-style reporting of the MSM grossly misled voters on Lab-Green/Left-Bloc chances, thus playing a part – possibly a decisive part – in Labour voters staying at home.

              • swordfish

                And one or two more:

                (1) A January 2012 DigiPoll report mentions that “a Herald-Digipoll last year (ie early 2011) found 62.6 per cent ” opposed National’s partial privatisation plans and “polls taken closer to the election suggested opinion had not changed”. The report further suggests that “not even the most ardent National supporter would claim the party had convinced a majority of the public of the merits of flogging off our assets…” and “Clearly a crucial number of those uncomfortable with the idea of floating even a minority stake in state companies supported National despite the policy.” (you see, DESPITE, not BECAUSE OF).

                Here: http://www.digipoll.com/library/surveys-in-the-media/item/96-editorial-port-row-gives-clue-to-asset-sales-solution

                (2) Here’s Massey University’s 2011 NZ Study of Values Survey – in which 76% oppose asset sales (47% strongly against, 29% more or less against, 15% neutral, 8% more or less in favour, 1% strongly in favour). Political Scientist Stephen Levine commented at the time (late 2011) that it was only Key’s personal popularity that was “preventing opposition to asset sales from hurting National in the polls.” Levine further suggested that other polls in 2011 had also shown voters were “not enthusiastic about the idea of selling assets.”

                Here: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/polls/5993822/Voters-turned-off-by-SOE-retirement-policies

  5. McGrath 5

    Is Labour/Green going to buy back the sold assets if they form the next government?

    • Colonial Viper 5.1

      Depress the share value first via NZ Power, placing a few statutory voting members on the various Boards, and investing big $ in needed infrastructure. Then reacquire at leisure.

      No rush.

      • Lanthanide 5.1.1

        I still haven’t seen any cogent argument for why NZ Power will destroy the electricity industry and result in blackouts.

        Similarly I can’t see any cogent argument why lowering the company tax rate leads to more investment in companies.

        If companies choose to re-invest their profits in order to expand, or hire more workers, then it becomes an expense in their accounts and they don’t pay tax on it anyway. I would have thought, for example, that a company that was paying a 95% tax rate, would say to themselves “we could either use 100% of this money to expand our business / hire new staff, or we could give 95% of it to the government and keep 5% for ourselves”. It seems like lowering the company tax rate is an incentive *not* to expand or hire staff – better to take the cream today rather than wait for butter in the future.

        • Colonial Viper 5.1.1.1

          I think your analysis is pretty much spot on Lanth. Lowering corporate taxes = more earnings per share for corproate investors for zero extra work.

          In other words, it also disincentivises innovation and hard work, while rewarding corporate lobbying.

          http://thumbnails.visually.netdna-cdn.com/the-amazing-roi-of-corporate-lobbying_502919b61bb5d_w1500.gif

          • Lanthanide 5.1.1.1.1

            Actually thinking about it more, I think the argument is “why would someone start a company if they could only receive 5% of the profits after paying 95% tax?”.

            So there’s two obvious flaws in that approach:
            1. If you pay yourself a salary, it doesn’t count as profit to the company so would be taxed as personal income, not company profit, so the 95% tax rate wouldn’t apply.

            2. In practice we’re not talking about 95% tax rates. We’re talking about 33% vs 30% vs 28%. I don’t think a 5% change in tax is any sort of significant incentive for someone to say “damn yes, I need to stop working for the man and start my own company!”.

        • grumpy 5.1.1.2

          “I still haven’t seen any cogent argument for why NZ Power will destroy the electricity industry and result in blackouts.”
          Thats because it won’t.

      • KJT 5.1.2

        Just let National put their mates in as Directors and Managers, then wait for the share price to plummet.

        On second thoughts, maybe not,. Like Air New Zealand and rail it will cost us too much to rebuild them after the “party of business” and their supporters, have shown they cannot develop or run businesses. Again!

    • Fisiani 5.2

      Of course not McGrath that would require them to actually believe their current spin.

      • felix 5.2.1

        No, all that is required is to ignore your spin.

        It’s like I took you car and your wallet and spent all your money and now I’m insisting you obviously didn’t like the car that much if you won’t buy it back.

  6. Fisiani 6

    The referendum will be massively 90%+ against the missed ownership model, 90% of the people will vote for the opposition in 2014 and shares will be confiscated. National are quaking in their boots and leaving the sinking ship in droves.

    • Lanthanide 6.1

      You really do see everything in extremes, don’t you?

      Must be a very frightening world you live in.

    • mac1 6.2

      ‘Missed ownership model,’ Fisi? You’re not ‘pixed,’ are you?

      And I hope all those fearful, sheep-like fellow-traveller Nats in your ‘missed metaphor’ have taken off their boots before jumping ship and don’t end up like the people in the first verse of Bob Dylan’s “The Times They are A-Changin'”.

  7. Ron 7

    I understand that only 39% have voted, what the hell are the other 61% of the voting population doing.

    • s y d 7.1

      getting in a 18 pack of cody’s and getting hammered….

    • infused 7.2

      Not giving a shit. It’s done and dusted, this referendum means nothing.

      • Kaplan 7.2.1

        For the foreseeable future history will define John Key and the National party as those responsible for selling of NZs state assets against the will of the people. I think the referendum means quite a bit akshully.

  8. tricledrown 8

    Yeh right wingers Helen Clarks govt didn’t loose the 2008 election becaise she ignored the anti kid bashing referendum.
    80%+ voted against.
    Now Nactional united will pay the same price.
    This bullying govt is dying of a thousand cuts.
    When paddy Gower says Key has fucked up by not taking Minto but hogging the limlight for himself(can’t remember can Now remembe)
    The myth Key is a liar .
    Is Now being exposed as the reality.
    The myth key is just a publicty seeker.
    Is being exposed as truth.
    The myth Key is listening to the people.
    people are waking up to the real shonkey.
    And only few Dumrse Bowel Movents will be left on his stinking ship.

    • Will@Welly 8.1

      Is there any truth to the rumour that Key couldn’t take everyone he should have to the funeral in S.A. because the numbers for the Diplomatic Protection Squad swelled to over 50, instead of the usual 4-5. Mr Key was just a little bit frightful of the “welcome” he might find there waiting for him.

      • Puckish Rogue 8.1.1

        No there isn’t

      • Richard McGrath 8.1.2

        If he did take the DPS with him, it could reflect the breakdown in law and order in South Africa that has occurred under the Mbeki and Zuma administrations. Just sayin’…

        And I don’t suppose Mr Obama would have taken many Secret Service agents with him, would he?

  9. Natwest 9

    Ranting dribble!

  10. tricledrown 10

    Ratsnest
    Rats leaving a sinking ship

  11. Ake ake ake 11

    The Referendum and History will record that John Key and the National Government are on the wrong side of asset sales.

  12. Tangled_up 12

    I really hope that at least half of all eligible voters participate.

  13. Crunchtime 13

    http://www.elections.org.nz/events/2013-citizens-initiated-referendum/results-2013-citizens-initiated-referendum/progressive

    So going by this trend, hopefully we get over 1.4 million votes in the referendum.

    Even if the no votes are as low as 70% (more likely to be close to 90), that means at least a million no votes. As much or more than voted for National last general election. That will be a pretty damning indictment on this government. Gooberment would be a better word, wouldn’t it.

  14. captain hook 14

    they could have just given everybody an equal share and then let people decide what to do with them.
    You know we already own the assets.
    all the rest is just market speak blather to disguise the fact that National is parcelling up the assets to dispose of them as perpetual earning assets to their pals.
    nice work if you can get it.

    • Lanthanide 14.1

      Er, the point was for the government to sell them and make money. If the government just gave them to citizens, then they wouldn’t be making any money from it.

  15. Richard McGrath 15

    Many tend to overlook the fact that this referendum isn’t about asset sales in general, it’s about whether the voter approves or disapproves of the govt selling less than half the shares in 5 state owned entities. A ‘no’ vote might be cast because the voter thinks more than 50% of the shares in one or all of them should be sold off.

    • Arfamo 15.1

      This referendum asks voters the question: “Do you support the Government selling up to 49% of Meridian Energy, Mighty River Power, Genesis Power, Solid Energy and Air New Zealand?”

      People understand what it means all right. Time for you to blast off from Planet Key and re-enter earth’s atmosphere Richard.

      • Richard McGrath 15.1.1

        But you agree with the my last sentence, Arfamo?

        • Arfamo 15.1.1.1

          Nope. I can’t think of anyone who would be stupid enough to vote no on that basis. Not even you. Or did you? If you want to, can I please encourage you to do so as soon as possible. Every vote counts Richard.

        • Lanthanide 15.1.1.2

          Logically someone who supports the government selling more than 49%, should also support the government selling up to 49%.

          It would be a strange position to say “I absolutely reject you selling 49% of the shares. You must sell 51%”.

          To the point that I don’t think any rational person would say that, except for the purposes of being ‘clever’ about the referendum question.

          • Arfamo 15.1.1.2.1

            Exactly. Care to make a rational comment now Richard?

            • Arfamo 15.1.1.2.1.1

              Richard? Are you still banging your head on your desk in the corner you painted yourself into?

              • Arfamo

                OMG. Richard? Are you trying to retrieve your referendum vote from a post box after now realising the implications of having voted no because you think National should’ve sold more than 49%? Speak to me, laddie.

                Hurry up man. If you’re much longer I’m going to be forced to watch 3rd Degree.

                • swordfish

                  I fear Richard may be in the middle of a violent emotional breakdown, as we speak. Expect him to very suddenly turn to Zen Buddhism as the only way out.

                  • Arfamo

                    It’s too late. I’ve been forced to watch 3rd Degree where Laurel and Hardy will be featuring a cameo appearance by Colin Craig playing a fool.

              • Richard McGrath

                Sorry guys, at the time you were making those comments, I was still at my desk at work. Some of us are still being made to fund those on incomes below $55k who pay no net tax.

                • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                  Stop whining about having to pay your taxes, you fucking cry-baby.

                  • Arfamo

                    Good on ya, Richard. At least you realise you’re doing what the Nats want you to do. Working your arse off at all hours to help pay for their tax cuts blunder while you still have a job.

                • KJT

                  Someone was out when they handed out the brain cells.

                  Or cannot read.

                  Surprising you actually have a job.
                  Though I am sure it is just one of those jobs were they do not trust you with real work. Just shuffling paper or electronic digits, while the secretary (Probably a woman) or the old guy on the shop floor, does anything important.

                  No, not paying net INCOME tax is not equal to paying no net tax.

                  Half of all tax paid is NOT income tax. And it is mostly paid by those who have to spend all their incomes, the poor.

                  Some of us on here have very likely paid a lot more tax than you have, being successes in their lives, rather than a wannabee, some with earning money, and some with more important things.

                  If you want to know why your taxes are so high have a look at the number of millionaires, who declared taxable incomes last year, of less than 70K.

          • Richard McGrath 15.1.1.2.2

            Not so, Lanth. I support privatisation of, not government control over, Meridian Energy et al. Thus 51% is a mile away from 49%. “Up to 49%” is a con job – the pollies still run the companies despite what anyone says.

            • Tat Loo (CV) 15.1.1.2.2.1

              That’s odd you say that, given that the SOE act gives those organisations requirements to operate as independent commercial entities. And full Govt ownership has resulted in massive profitability- the reason the private sector wants to grab these assets in the first place.

              • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                I don’t think it’s odd – it’s entirely consistent with the rest of his delusional chunder.

        • swordfish 15.1.1.3

          No, your last sentence is, of course, complete bollocks, Rich.

          Everyone knows implicitly that this referendum has taken on a much broader symbolism (as it was always destined to do) surrounding asset sales in general. To try to argue otherwise is disingenuous. Please don’t insult people’s intelligence with this rather desperate little soundbyte.

          Supporters of privatisation are almost entirely the most dyed-in-the-wool National supporters – (see Tangled_up’s comment 4.4.1 and do the math yourself), along with tiny, tiny raw numbers of Act/UF/Con voters. They know full well that a big win for the “No”-vote will be interpreted by the media as a rejection of asset sales and a major defeat for the National Party. And yet you’d have us all believe that this blue-rinse brigade will happily risk all that damage to their Party simply in order to make a remarkably subtle and nuanced point. Don’t think so, big fella.

          • Arfamo 15.1.1.3.1

            He can’t read this until he stops banging his head on the desk and the stars in his eyes go away.

    • Lanthanide 15.2

      Yes, you’re entirely correct, Richard.

      However given that a referendum is allowed to be only a single question with a yes or no answer, that’s not a lot that can be done.

      They couldn’t state the name of a policy, because voters may not know what the policy entails (see American’s who don’t like Obamacare but do like the Affordable Care Act), the government could rename the policy, etc etc.

      The only thing they could really do is ask a question about the specific core actions of the policy and whether voters agree. That’s why we end up with the referendum we got.

      Note however that this is really not the same as the pro-child-abuse referendum, whose question was grammatically incorrect and was logically ambiguous as to what the voter actually intended when answering either yes or no.

      • KJT 15.2.1

        I don’t think that most people voting were confused at all, with either referendum.

        The majority of the public are not that thick. Proven by the lack of votes for ACT.

  16. blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 16

    It is really hacking me off big-time that in parliament National repeatedly are being allowed to present the view that the Opposition should buy the shares back…and not being told to STFU by the speaker of the house.

    1. Question-time is a time for the opposition to call the government to account and not the other way around.

    2. The whole issue re selling assets for me is that they tend to be sold off – at a loss – and then bought back – at a loss and I would have preferred if this ineffective trend was stopped in its tracks from the outset.

    This is one of the big reasons I am against the sales of these assets (along with the revenue lost to the country).

    Buying the assets back, while I might agree with a government doing so, is a separate issue to opposing the sale of the asset shares apart from buying them back being exactly what I hoped would be avoided by not selling the bloody things in the first place.

    • Arfamo 16.1

      +1 This speaker needs to be removed from the chair and given a brush and dustpan so he can actually do something useful.

      • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 16.1.1

        lolz, while I like (and am amused by) your comment, I do include a criticism of the Opposition parties here for not objecting to this behaviour in parliament – somewhat surprised that they haven’t.

        I thought Robertson would be a good assistant speaker of the house, however I find him weak at asserting the rules. As unpopular as it may be to say it Mallard was stronger in this role and it appears that Hipkins would be good at the role.

        Am surprised that the Greens and NZ First haven’t picked up on this issue – they are usually pretty good at that type of thing.

        • Arfamo 16.1.1.1

          I’ve given up expecting anything but childishness from pretty well all involved in the House. It’s a sick joke, the behaviour that’s tolerated. We pay these monkeys a fortune to act like kindy kids.

  17. Liberal Realist 17

    Anyone who thinks this referendum is a waste of time and money places no value in democracy, is either stupid, ignorant or simply talking out of their arse.

    1.2 mil + no votes will give an incoming LAB/GRN/Else government a very strong indicator of public will against asset sales theft. This, in turn, will give the incoming LAB/GRN/Else government a solid start point to mount a reacquisition policy / plan.

    This referendum is the proverbial stick to beat nACT with all the way up to election day (perhaps even and early one).

  18. tricledrown 18

    +1.4 million

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    A month ago, Nicky Hager published Dirty Politics, and set this election on fire. Today, over 2,100 people took a stand against the dirty politics he revealed, through a crowdfunded full-page ad in the Herald (Image stolen from @DirtyPoliticsNZ) Collectively,...
    No Right Turn | 17-09
  • Revealed: Which parties will do the most to reduce New Zealand’s growing ...
    The Equality Network, a group of New Zealand organisations dedicated to reducing inequality, is today releasing a rating of political parties and their policies on tackling income gaps The ratings reveal the Greens out in front, with a rating of...
    Closing the Gap | 16-09
  • New Fisk
    Islamic State: Assad lures Obama into his web...
    No Right Turn | 16-09
  • Fiji votes
    Fijians are heading to the polls today in the first elections since the 2006 coup. Good - Fiji deserves an elected government, not an unelected dictator. But the dictator is fighting hard to stop it. There's the weird ballot paper...
    No Right Turn | 16-09
  • John Key’s Top 69 Lies: Today no. 3 – GCSB mass surveillance would take...
     John Key defends the GCSB bill  “If GCSB this afternoon, were to decide they’re going to listen to every phone call, and read every txt message in New Zealand, do you know how many people that would take? A hundred...
    Arch Rival | 16-09
  • Hard News: Interview: Glenn Greenwald
    I was offered an interview with Glenn Greenwald yesterday in the wake of his appearance at the Moment of Truth event. What follows is the transcript of that interview. It covers both the specifics of what he reported at the...
    Public Address | 16-09
  • Great family policy from the Greens
    I’m not just saying this because I suggested exactly this policy three months ago on Twitter, though it is always satisfying to see great minds thinking alike! The Greens’ Welcome Pack for newborn babies is modelled on Finnish baby boxes...
    Boots Theory | 16-09
  • Sell your house privately in New Zealand – the book.
    Over at 200 Square we help people sell their house by using the latest internet tools, and avoiding expensive print and high agent overheads like fancy offices. Our licensed real estate agents  to the wheeling and dealing for clients, and are very...
    Lance Wiggs | 16-09
  • Population-weighted densities in New Zealand and Australia
    Urban population density is a hot topic – some people complain that it’s getting too high in Auckland, while others worry that it’s too low to get the urban outcomes we want. Either way, density matters – it can have...
    Transport Blog | 16-09
  • Access: Disability: Election Promises for the 24%
    In the latest census 24% of the population were identified as disabled, that is 1.1 million people New Zealanders. Many of those are older people with physical impairments, but for young people learning disability is the most common. Then there...
    Public Address | 16-09
  • Speaker: The plan against the rebuild
    There is a great deal of ruin in a city, to paraphrase Adam Smith’s calm reply to those heralding the doom of Britain after the battle of Saratoga. In other words, it takes a lot to really wreck either a...
    Public Address | 16-09
  • A conspiracy theory too far
    Just over a month ago, the Prime Minister of New Zealand claimed that an award-winning writer was nothing more than a "screaming left-wing conspiracy theorist" and in so doing hoped to dismiss all his exceptional work that documents the National...
    The Jackal | 16-09
  • Attack! Attack!! Attack!!!!
    We’ve had several weeks now since the release of Dirty Politics and just as we thought it might be dying down as our lords and masters in the mainstream media decided followed National’s argument and moved on to reporting about...
    My Thinks | 16-09
  • TPPA a Sellout to American Corporate Greed
    Press Release – Internet MANA New Zealand will become a permanent prisoner to the United States greed and global arrogance if the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) isnt stopped, warns Internet MANA.MEDIA RELEASESeptember 17, 2014 TPPA a Sellout to American Corporate...
    Its our future | 16-09
  • 2014 Party Gender Balance
    Out of interest I have looked at each party's list rankings and worked the ratio and percentage of women who would be elected if they got the best possible vote. I compared the parties on the so called 'left' and...
    Local Bodies | 16-09
  • Katherine Rich – resign!
    . I reprint the following from the Herald, in full, as I believe it tells the story better than I could;  . I don’t usually write columns about politics but I’m going to talk about smear campaigns and conflict because...
    Frankly Speaking | 16-09
  • Katherine Rich – resign!
    . I reprint the following from the Herald, in full, as I believe it tells the story better than I could;  . I don’t usually write columns about politics but I’m going to talk about smear campaigns and conflict because...
    Frankly Speaking | 16-09
  • Gordon Campbell on first time voting (centre right)
    For the next two days, I’m turning my column over to two guest columnists who are first time voters. I’ve asked them to explain why they were voting, for whom and what role they thought their parental upbringing had played...
    Gordon Campbell | 16-09
  • It’s time for Key to go!
    Key – it’s time to resign! .   .   John Key is no longer fit to lead this country. Sign the petition. Tell him it’s time to go! Sign Here . . = fs =Filed under: The Body Politic...
    Frankly Speaking | 16-09
  • It’s time for Key to go!
    Key – it’s time to resign! .   .   John Key is no longer fit to lead this country. Sign the petition. Tell him it’s time to go! Sign Here . . = fs =Filed under: The Body Politic...
    Frankly Speaking | 16-09
  • Think of these things: whence you came; where you are going; and to whom yo...
    I gave the ODT my thoughts on "The Moment of Truth" event last night - the tl;dr of which is that there are some important questions about the issue of data collection and surveillance to be addressed, but that the...
    Pundit | 16-09
  • Political joke of the week…
    . NEWSFLASH: Dotcom email almost certainly a fake, says handwriting expert hired by the National party!   . . = fs =Filed under: On A Lighter Note, The Body Politic Tagged: Dear Leader lies through his teeth, GCSB, Hollywood, Kim...
    Frankly Speaking | 16-09
  • Political joke of the week…
    . NEWSFLASH: Dotcom email almost certainly a fake, says handwriting expert hired by the National party!   . . = fs =Filed under: On A Lighter Note, The Body Politic Tagged: Dear Leader lies through his teeth, GCSB, Hollywood, Kim...
    Frankly Speaking | 16-09
  • Certain Arctic lakes store more greenhouse gases than they release
    This is a re-post of an NSF press release New research, supported by the National Science Foundation (NSF), counters a widely-held scientific view that thawing permafrost uniformly accelerates atmospheric warming, indicating instead that certain Arctic lakes store more greenhouse gases...
    Skeptical Science | 16-09
  • A Working Majority
    Constitutional Guardian: Only the person who can assure the Governor-General Sir Jerry Mateparae, that he or she commands a majority on the floor of the House of Representatives has the right to assume the office of Prime Minister. If John...
    Bowalley Road | 16-09
  • Aussie Liberals embroiled in Key campaign
    John Key needs to explain why Australia’s Liberal Party is interfering in New Zealand domestic politics and is encouraging Kiwi voters across the ditch to vote for National just days out from the election, Labour’s campaign spokesperson Annette King says....
    Labour | 17-09
  • The MANA Plan for Beneficiaries and Income in Waiariki
    Median Personal Income for Waiariki is $21,700. Over 13,000 Maori who live in Waiariki rely upon a form of government benefit including the Unemployment Benefit, Sickness Benefit, Domestic Purpose Benefit and the Invalids Benefit. “If you’re lucky enough to have...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Māori development crucial to New Zealand’s future
    Labour recognises the concern of Māori about child poverty and the rising costs of living, and in Government will make a real difference to the wellbeing of whānau and iwi, Labour’s Māori Affairs spokesperson Nanaia Mahuta says. “As our Māori...
    Labour | 16-09
  • MAORI PARTY – DON’T COMPLAIN … WALK
    “If the Maori Party are serious about stopping government spying on NZ citizens then they should tell the Prime Minister to either stop doing it or they will walk away” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP Hone Harawira, on...
    Mana | 16-09
  • JOHN KEY SUPPORTING LABOUR
    “There is something really sick about a National Party Prime Minister coming out in support of a Labour candidate” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira, after hearing that John Key is urging voters to back Labour in...
    Mana | 16-09
  • SHUT DOWN THIS GOVT NOT KAITI WINZ – Nikora
    “I’m going to make it as hard for you to get help as I can” is Paula Bennett’s message to the people of Kaiti  said MANA candidate Te Hāmua Nikora today in response to the news that National will close...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Winegums make for better polling – Harawira
    I wanted to laugh when I saw the Native Affairs poll the other night (Hone Harawira 38%, Kelvin Davis 37%) because it was almost the same as the one they did back in 2011”, said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau...
    Mana | 16-09
  • The Leadership of MTS Lied – Harawira
    “Normally I’m happy to tell people that I was right but when I received the news about the staff cuts at Maori Television, I had nothing but sympathy for the three Maori media leaders who are going to be made...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Privileges Complaint Laid against Prime Minister – Harawira
    MANA Movement Leader and Te Tai Tokerau MP Hone Harawira has today lodged a Privileges Complaint with the Speaker regarding the Prime Ministers denials in parliament that he knew anything about Kim Dotcom before 2012. “Information made public today appears...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Sharples’ new appointments are out of order
    The new appointments to the Waitangi Tribunal announced by Dr Pita Sharples this morning are completely out of order given the election is just five days away, says Labour's State Services spokesperson, Maryan Street. “This Government continues to show disdain...
    Labour | 15-09
  • MANA Movement Housing Policy
    “When families are living in cars, garages, cockroach-infested caravans and three families to a house then we have a housing crisis”, said MANA leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Hone Harawira. “When you have a housing crisis for low-income...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Bigger than the Foreshore and Seabed – Sykes
    “Over the past week I have received some disturbing information that has led myself and a number of Maori lawyers to conclude that this National - Maori Party - ACT and United Future Government are going to put an end to both...
    Mana | 14-09
  • MANA wants Te Reo Māori petition fulfilled
    Hone Harawira, MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Annette Sykes, MANA candidate for Waiariki Te Hāmua Nikora, MANA candidate for Ikaroa Rāwhiti  “More than four decades have passed and the petition calling for Te Reo Māori in schools...
    Mana | 14-09
  • Primary focus on the critical issues
    A Labour Government will prioritise New Zealand’s agricultural sectors by recreating a Rural Affairs Minister and appointing a Primary Industry Council and a Chief Agricultural Adviser. Releasing Labour’s Primary Sector and Rural Affairs policies today, spokesperson Damien O’Connor says the...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Maori Television fears confirmed – Harawira
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    Mana | 12-09
  • More ghost houses from National
    The Government’s desperate pre-election announcement of more ghost houses won’t fool Aucklanders wanting action on the housing crisis, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “These are ghost houses, to go with National’s ghost tax cut. Families cannot live in ghost...
    Labour | 12-09
  • National bows to union pressure over travel time
    National has reluctantly bowed to pressure from unions and adopted Labour’s fair and sensible policy to pay home support workers for the time they spend traveling between clients, Labour’s Associate Health spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. “This decision is long overdue...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Predators on Poverty – Harawira
    “As poverty has ballooned out of control, the Predators on Poverty have emerged to suck the lifeblood from whole families and communities” said MANA Movement leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira. “They are deliberately targeting low-income areas, particularly those...
    Mana | 11-09
  • MANA Movement Policy Launch
    Predators on Poverty (pokie machines, alcohol outlets and loan sharks) 1pm, Thursday 11th September Corner Great South Road and Criterion Street Otahuhu Shopping Centre...
    Mana | 10-09
  • Eliminating Poverty – Sir Edmund Hillary Collegiate, Otara | Internet MAN...
    A campaign to Eliminate Poverty, Feed the Kids, build more houses, and create thousands of new jobs, was outlined by Internet MANA at a public meeting in Otara this evening. When MANA and the Internet Party first sat down to...
    Mana | 09-09
  • Housing in Waiariki – Sykes
    Fact:  Under this National-Maori Party-ACT-United Future Government 61% of Maori in Waiariki do not own their own home and nearly 70% of Maori rentals in Waiariki pay $200 or more per week. “Maori in Waiariki have low rates of home ownership...
    Mana | 09-09
  • Charter school crisis shows time to axe costly experiment
    Dysfunction from day one at a Northland charter school shows it is time to dump this costly and failed experiment by the National-ACT Government, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Te Kura Hourua ki Whangaruru received $27,000 in government funding...
    Labour | 08-09
  • Labour will crack down on loan sharks
    A Labour Government will crack down on predatory loan sharks by making it illegal both to charge exorbitant interest rates and to exploit uninformed borrowers, Labour’s Consumer Affairs Spokesperson Carol Beaumont says. Labour today released its Consumer Affairs policy which...
    Labour | 08-09
  • Let’s do the FEED before the weed
    “Last week I put out a very strongly worded email to my colleagues about an online promotion about cannabis law reform” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira “and I stand by that criticism today.” My concern was...
    Mana | 08-09
  • TE KAEA and NATIVE AFFAIRS live to fight another day
    “I understand that both the chair of the Board of Maori Television, Georgina Te Heuheu, and new CEO, Paora Maxwell, are now saying that my comments this morning about their plans to cut Te Kaea and Native Affairs, were wrong, and that...
    Mana | 08-09
  • How come the PM only pays 2.8% of his income in tax – Harawira
    “Before John Key talks about the piddling tax cuts he plans for low and middle income families today he needs to explain why he only pays 2.8% of his income on tax while a minimum wage worker pays 28% tax,”...
    Mana | 07-09
  • THE DEATH OF INDEPENDENCE FOR MAORI TV
    “If what I’m hearing is true, tomorrow Maori Television Service (MTS) will dump its news programme, Te Kaea, and staff will lose their jobs” said MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Hone Harawira “and the Minister of Maori...
    Mana | 07-09
  • Labour recommits to Pike River families
    An incoming Labour-led government will do everything possible to recover the bodies of the Pike River Miners and return them to their families, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “This tragedy and its aftermath has left the families of the 29...
    Labour | 06-09
  • Voting has started and still no tax plan or fiscal budget for voters to see
    "Even though voting for the election has already begun, National still refuses to provide any details of its proposed tax cuts. And Bill English admitted this morning that he won’t provide any specifics until after the election", Labour’s Finance spokesperson...
    Labour | 06-09
  • National’s partners’ tax plans cost at least $42 billion
    If National forms the next government its partners’ tax plans will cost the country at least $42 billion, and maybe as much as $50 billion, wreaking havoc with the books, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker. “National claims to be...
    Labour | 05-09
  • Labour: Providing more opportunities for young Kiwis
    A Labour Government will ensure every young Kiwi under the age of 20 is given the opportunity to be in work, education or training, and plans to develop a conservation apprenticeship scheme to help do that, Labour’s Youth Affairs spokesperson...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Candles out on teachers’ slice of birthday cake
    Today may be Novopay’s second birthday, but there’s little to celebrate, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Novopay has cost the taxpayer tens of millions of dollars already, and the cost is still climbing....
    Labour | 04-09
  • National’s blatant broadband pork barrelling misses the mark by a country...
    National’s blatant pork-barrelling ICT announcement today should reinforce a growing sceptical electorate’s view that they are all about the gift wrap and not the present, Labour’s ICT spokesperson Clare Curran says. “Instead of addressing the real issues - the woeful...
    Labour | 04-09
  • More evidence of the need to clean up the system
    The latest release of emails and messages between disgraced Minister Judith Collins and blogger Cameron Slater are more evidence of the urgent need to clean up politics, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. "This new evidence confirms a near constant flow...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Labour commits to stable funding for voluntary sector
    A Labour Government will establish long-term funding and streamline contract accountability for community and voluntary groups, says Labour’s spokesperson for the sector Louisa Wall. Announcing Labour’s policy for the community and voluntary sector, she said this would give much greater...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Better trained and skilled workforce under Labour
    Labour is committed to a skilled workforce that benefits businesses as well as their workers, and will increase workplace training to improve productivity and drive innovation, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Labour believes the Government should support New Zealanders into...
    Labour | 03-09
  • Labour will make renting a better option
    Labour will provide greater security of tenure for renters, and build more state and social housing, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour believes every kid deserves a decent start in life. That means a warm, dry and secure home....
    Labour | 03-09
  • At least 15 new taxes under National
    John Key is the last person to talk about creating taxes, presiding over a Government that has imposed at least 15 new taxes, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “John Key tried a novel line in the debate last night claiming...
    Labour | 03-09
  • Labour will strengthen New Zealand’s democracy
    A Labour Government will act quickly to protect and enhance New Zealand’s reputation as one of the most open and least corrupt countries in the world, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “The health of any democracy is improved by greater...
    Labour | 02-09
  • MANA Movement says tax cut on GST must be first priority – Minto
    “If Prime Minister John Key has money available for tax cuts then cutting GST must be the first priority”,  said MANA Movement Economic Justice Spokesperson John Minto. GST is a nasty tax on low-income families”, said Minto. “People in the...
    Mana | 02-09
  • The Maori Party’s Mana-Enhancing Relationship with National – Minto
    “First we had Cameron Slater and David Farrar backing Labour’s Kelvin Davis bid to unseat MANA Movement Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Hone Harawira.  Now we have Slater writing a pro-Te Ururoa Flavell article on his website, Whale...
    Mana | 02-09
  • There’s Only One Poll That Counts
    “One of the oldest sayings in politics is that there is only one poll that counts – the one on Election Day – and that’s the one that I am focusing on” remarked the MANA Movement candidate for Waiariki, Annette...
    Mana | 02-09
  • Local communities critical to Civil Defence
    Labour will focus on empowering New Zealand communities to be resilient in Civil Defence disasters, says Labour’s Civil Defence spokesperson Clare Curran. Announcing Labour’s Civil Defence policy, she says that Labour will work with schools, voluntary agencies and community groups...
    Labour | 02-09
  • Labour looks to long-life passports, gambling harm review
    A return to 10 year passports and a review of gambling laws are highlights of Labour’s Internal Affairs policy released today. “More than 15,000 New Zealanders signed a petition calling on the Government to revert to the 10 year system...
    Labour | 02-09
  • MANA Movement Leadership stands strong behind Internet MANA relationship
    “There is now, and always will be, a range of views about many issues within our movement and members are free to express them, but Georgina’s views on Kim Dotcom are not shared by the MANA Movement leadership or the vast majority...
    Mana | 01-09
  • Rebuilding the New Zealand Defence Force
    A Labour Government will make it a priority to rebuild the capacity of the Defence Force to carry out the tasks expected of it, says Labour’s Defence Spokesperson Phil Goff. Releasing Labour’s Defence Policy today he said the NZDF has...
    Labour | 01-09
  • Speech to Canterbury Chamber of Commerce
    Today I'm going to talk about our policy package to upgrade and grow our economy and how we turn that growth into a foundation for a decent and fair society. But first I want to address the issue of our...
    Labour | 01-09
  • Commission of Inquiry must have bipartisan support
    The Labour Party is drafting terms of reference for a Commission of Inquiry, Labour’s Shadow Attorney-General David Parker says. “It is abundantly clear there is a need for an independent Commission of Inquiry, chaired by a High Court Judge, into...
    Labour | 01-09
  • Rapid Transit to unclog Christchurch
    Labour will build a 21st century Rapid Transit system for Christchurch, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “The long delayed recovery of Christchurch hinges on a modern commuter system for the city. “We will invest $100 million in a modern rail plan...
    Labour | 31-08
  • Labour’s commitment to public broadcasting
    A Labour Government will set up a working group to re-establish a public service television station as part of our commitment to ensuring New Zealand has high quality free-to-air local content. “We will set up a working group to report...
    Labour | 31-08
  • “If you want steak, go to the supermarket and buy steak,” – A brief w...
    “If you want steak, go to the supermarket and buy steak,” said Key in the final leaders debate. Problem of course is that the 250 000 – 285 000 children living in poverty can not afford steak, milk, butter, eggs...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • National’s final bash of beneficiaries before the election
    On cue, whenever National feel threatened, they roll out a little bennie bash just to keep their redneck voter base happy. Nothing like a bit of raw meat policy to keep National voters focused on the evil threat solo parents...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • With All Of This In Mind, I Vote
    This is my last blog before the election and I really just want to speak from the heart. Right now in this country it seems to me that a lot of people consider the “essentials” in life to be simply...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Left has to vote strategically this election
    The dedication, loyalty, and tribalism of party politics means that sometimes the left lets itself down by not voting strategically. We all want our favoured party to get maximum votes, naturally, but the winner-takes-all approach doesn’t always suit multi-party left...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Dear NZ – as you enter the polling booth, stand up for your rights
    The last days before a NZ general election are a busy time as politicians make their pitch and party activists prepare to get out the vote. It is sort of weird watching from the distance of Europe the strangest election...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • What is Waihopai, John, if it isn’t a facility for “mass surveillance...
    John Key assured us on RNZ’s Nine to Noon programme yesterday that “In terms of the Fives Eyes data bases… yes New Zealand will contribute some information but not mass wholesale surveillance.” How does this square with the operation of the...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Catherine Delahunty – Mass Surveillance and the Banality of E...
    Renowned journalist and intellectual Hannah Arendt coined the phrase “the banality of evil” to describe the normalisation of genocide in Nazi Germany. I thought of her phrase when I was listening to Glenn Greenwald and other international whistle-blowers talking about...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Election. Down. To. The. Wire
    Funny how last week it was John Key winning by 50%, now it’s neck and neck. I have always believed this election would be down to the wire and it is proving so. The flawed landline opinion polls the mainstream...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • 3rd Degree uses Whaleoil for story ideas as if Dirty Politics never happene...
    TV3s 3rd Degrees smear job on Kim Dotcom last night doesn’t bear much repeating. It was pretty pathetic journalism from a team who have brought us some great journalism in the past. It is sad to see 3rd Degree stooping...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Live blog: Bainimarama takes early lead in Fiji’s election
    Pacific Scoop’s Alistar Kata reports from yesterday’s voting. By Alistar Kata of Pacific Scoop in Suva Prime Minister Voreqe Bainimarama took an early lead in provisional results in the Fiji general election last night. With provisional results from 170 out...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Has The NSA Constructed The Perfect PPP?
    Former intelligence analyst and whistleblower, Edward Snowden – speaking live to those gathered at the Auckland Town Hall on Monday September 17, 2014. Investigation by Selwyn Manning. THE PRIME MINISTER JOHN KEY’s admission on Wednesday that whistleblower Edward Snowden “may...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • No way – Key admits Snowden is right
    After claiming there was no middle ground. After claiming there was no mass surveillance. After calling Glenn Greenwald a henchman and a loser. After all the mainstream media pundits screamed at Kim’s decision to take his evidence to Parliamentary Privileges...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Bad luck National
    ...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • The incredible changing John Key story on mass spying – why the Moment of...
    While the mainstream media continue to try and make the Moment of Truth about Kim’s last minute decision to prolong his battle against John Key past the election into the Privileges Committee, the reality is that the Moment of Truth...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Themes of the Campaign
    There’s one area of a political campaign that just about everyone, at some point, falls afoul of. The campaign song. I’m not sure quite why it is, but it seems to be almost impossible for political parties to come up...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • GUEST BLOG – Denis Tegg – The NSA slides that prove mass surveillance
    The evidence presented by Glenn Greenwald and Edward Snowden on The Intercept of mass surveillance of New Zealanders by the GCSB is undeniable, and can stand on its own. But when you place this fresh evidence in the context of...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • Ukraine, United Kingdom, Ireland, Scotland
    The Ukrainian civil war discomforts me. It seems to me the most dangerous political crisis since the Cuban missile crisis of 1962. And it’s because of our unwillingness to examine the issues in a holistic way. We innately prefer to...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • John Key’s love affair with a straw man – the relationship intensifies
    John Key’s love affair with the straw man is now a fully-committed relationship. It’s now the first love of his life. Sorry Bronagh. Yesterday I pointed to Key’s constant assurances that there is no mass surveillance of New Zealanders by...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • A brief word on why Wendyl Nissen is a hero
    Wendyl Nissen is a hero. The sleazy black ops attack on her by Slater and Odgers on behalf of Grocery Council chief executive Katherine Rich is sick. All Nissen is doing in her column is point out the filth and...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • She saw John Key on TV and decided to vote!
    . . NZ, Wellington, 15 September – ‘Tina’* is 50, a close friend,  and one of the “Missing Million” from the last election. In fact, ‘Tina’ has never voted in her life.  Not once. In ‘Tina’s’ own words, politics has...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • Eminem sues National Party for unlawful use of ‘Lose yourself’ bhahahah...
    …ahahahahahahahaha. Oh Christ this is hilarious… National Party sued over Eminem copyright infringment US rapper Eminem is suing the National Party for allegedly breaching copyright by using his song Lose Yourself in its campaign advertisements. The Detroit-based publishers of Eminem’s...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • Are the Greens about to be snookered by a Labour-NZ First Government?
    I wrote last week that it was smart politics that the Greens pointed out they could work with National, the soft blue vote that’s looking for a home in the wake of Dirty Politics isn’t going to Labour, so the...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • BLOGWATCH: Fonterra join 2Degrees and boycott Whaleoil
    In the wake of Dirty Politics, advertisers are pulling their advertising out of Whaleoil. PaknSave, Evo Cycles Pukekohe, Localist, 2 Degrees, Fertility Associates, iSentia, NZ Breast Cancer Foundation, Maori TV, Bookme.co.nz, Dobetter.co.nz and the Sound are now joined by Fonterra...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • PM Key accused of allowing secret ‘spook’ cable sensors to spy on citiz...
    Pulitzer prize-winning journalist Glenn Greenwald (left) and Kim Dotcom at the “moment of truth” political surveillance meeting in Auckland last night. Image: PMW By ANNA MAJAVU of Pacific Media Watch NEW ZEALAND Prime Minister John Key has been accused of...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • Fiji pre-election ‘politics’ blackout stirs media protests, frustration
    BLACKOUT DAY – Monday, day one of the “silence window” in Fiji leading up to the close of polling in the general election at 6pm on Wednesday. And this is under the draconian threat of a $10,000 fine or five...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • “Now the work of movements begins”: government corruption, media bias, ...
    I am so tired of the dirty politics of the National government, aren’t you? I am tired of John Key and his pathetic attacks on award-winning journalists who have spent their careers fighting and digging for truth and good. The...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • Moment of Truth review, smoking guns and the awful coverage by the NZ msm
      There were queues unlike any the Town Hall has seen, 1000 were turned away once it became full…     …full to the rafters. The energy and atmosphere within the room was extraordinary, and it begun…   …Glenn Greenwald...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • Why Maori TV’s Te Tai Tokeraou Poll will be proved wrong
    If Hone Harawira had a dollar every time the media wrote off his chance of winning Te Tai Tokeraou, he would have more money than Kim Dotcom. Remember the by-election? Hone was 1 point ahead of Kelvin in an exact...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • September 15 RNZ interviews – and then the Moment of Truth
    . Acknowledgement: Emmerson . 15 September – Leading up to the Moment of Truth public meeting this evening, these Radio NZ interviews are worth listening to; . Alt link . Alt link . Alt link . Alt link . Alt...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • Live Stream: Moment of Truth Tonight 7pm
    Live Video Stream by eCast: The Daily Blog will Live Stream the Moment of Trust public meeting from 7pm. The meeting will feature Glenn Greenwald, Kim Dotcom, Robert Amsterdam, and a very special guest…...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • The proof Key lied about GCSB mass surveillance
    And we start getting to the evidence that proves Key has lied about mass surveillance. The article by Glenn Greenwald is out and it is beyond damning… Documents provided by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden show that the government worked in...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • A brief word on the Ede-Slater emails
    Every day I have rushed to read the paper to see if a breaking story on the Ede-Slater emails had broken yet. They haven’t. Day after day, where are these emails? We know Rawshark sent the emails to David Fisher...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • The email that proves Key is a liar
    This is the Email proving Key knew about Kim Dotcom before he claims he did… “We had a really good meeting with the Prime Minister. He’s a fan and we’re getting what we came for. Your groundwork in New Zealand...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • Henchmen
    Henchmen...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Why it simply isn’t credible that Key stepped in and shut down the mass s...
    Key’s staggering admission that yes there was a year long business model by the GCSB to mass spy on all of NZ but  that he stepped in and shut it down after Cabinet had signed it off just sounds like make...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • John Key’s love affair with a straw man
    Politicians like putting up straw men for the purpose of self-righteously knocking them over. Prime Minister John Key has a particular straw man he loves to punch over. He raises it whenever he’s asked about mass surveillance of New Zealanders...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • John Armstrong turns on Glenn Greenwald
    Where does a mediocre journalist like John Armstrong get off attacking a journalist with the credibility of Glenn Greenwald as he has in his ridiculous column today? Armstrong has the audacity to try and play the terrorism card to justify why...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Denis Tegg – Which of John Key’s many statements on the GC...
    We already have Glenn Greenwald’s assertion on The Nation that John Key has misled New Zealanders as to whether the GCSB has engaged in mass surveillance of Kiwis. But Key has made many other statements about the GCSB’s powers and...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Election 2014: Numbers and Faces
    Democratic politics is a game of numbers and faces. How can we translate the numbers into the 120 or more faces that will be in the next Parliament? Below is my prediction of a likely result: 120 people, divided by...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Scotland the brave
    The possibility that Scotland will vote for independence this Thursday has panicked the British establishment. An unholy alliance of Tory, Labour, Liberal and corporate leaders has resorted to fear-mongering and bullying on grand scale in a last ditch effort to...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Why Key’s denials sound so off and why Dotcom’s fight is all our fight
    The shrillness of Key is the issue. His denials just too forced and rehearsed. Key has gone from Hollow Man to Shallow Man with his lashing out at Pulitzer Price winning Journalist Glenn Greenwald by calling him a ‘henchman’. This...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Letters to the Editor – Spies, Lies, Five Eyes, and other matters on a S...
    . . Sharing a few thoughts and observations with newspaper editors around the country… . from: Frank Macskasy <fmacskasy@gmail.com>to: Sunday Star Times <letters@star-times.co.nz>date: Sun, Sep 14, 2014 subject: Letter to the Editor . The Editor Sunday Star Times . Our...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Letters to the Editor – Spies, Lies, Five Eyes, and other matters on a Su...
    . . Sharing a few thoughts and observations with newspaper editors around the country… . from: Frank Macskasy <fmacskasy@gmail.com>to: Sunday Star Times <letters@star-times.co.nz>date: Sun, Sep 14, 2014 subject: Letter to the Editor . The Editor Sunday Star Times . Our...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • As TDB predicted, Labour to use universal super fund to buy back assets and...
    Greens about to be snookered again?   As The Daily Blog has pointed out several times now, Labour will use a universal super fund to buy back NZs assets in a bid to offer Winston a legacy project… Labour plans...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • A lesson in caring for our most vulnerable
    Some of the comments on this article make me sick. Because I am so very much over people who think they are better than others because things have gone their way in life and think those who aren’t as functional...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – Please vote positive
    One of the features of campaigning is the meet-the-candidates event.  As an opportunity to present policies to the voter, they aren’t the best vehicle but still serve a useful purpose.  The problem is that there are too many candidates and...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • For this who don’t vote this election
    For this who don’t vote this election...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • Where does Key get off abusing a Pulitzer prize winning Journalist like Gle...
    We are seeing the Dirty Politics PM today when Key decided the best way to counter the Glenn Greenwald claims of GCSB mass surveillance was to denigrate Greenwald… Prime Minister John Key says he will prove Glenn Greenwald’s claims by the...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • Teflon Man No More
    . .   On 26 August, as Nicky Hager’s expose on New Zealand’s right wing politics hit public consciousness and confirmed our worst fears, I wrote, “Dirty Politics” has achieved more than simply revealing  unwholesome machinations between National party apparatchiks,...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • Dear mainstream media – regarding Key’s promise to resign if GCSB expos...
    Dear Mainstream media. How’s it all going? I would like to acknowledge the deep depression many members of the Press Gallery are going through as their boy Key looks less and less likely to win. I appreciate how a loss...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • National Stands To Lose Votes If Animal Welfare Is Ignored
    SAFE has presented Prime Minister John key with a 40,000 signature-strong petition calling for a farrowing crate ban....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Statement From Kim Dotcom
    Tonight Third Degree broadcast issues raised by three former staff members who are in dispute with us....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Three Internet-Mana Policies Blow the Bribe-O-Meter to Bits
    The Taxpayers’ Union has received advice that the cost of just three Internet-Mana policies is $17.6 billion - higher than the entire policy packages of the three main political parties combined. Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Pregnancy Help Welcomes Green Party Packs for Newborn Babies
    Pregnancy Help applauds Metiria Turei acknowledging that “for many parents the birth of a new child is a highly stressful and financially straining time” and the desire for every child to thrive....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • McVicar Welcomes ASA Decision
    Napier Conservative Party Candidate Garth McVicar welcomes the Advertising Standards Authority’s decision to not uphold the pamphlet complaint of Robert Johnson, Campaign Manager for Napier Labour candidate Stuart Nash. The ASA acknowledged that one complaint...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Whyte: In 12 months’ time, here is what will matter
    In three days’ time I will be elected along with a number of ACT MPs. I think the media will be surprised and ask how it happened?...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Internet MANA Will Grant Special Residency to Edward Snowden
    Internet MANA will put the case to the new government to welcome global surveillance whistle blower Edward Snowden, granting him safe passage and residency in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Ten millionth traveller uses SmartGate
    The 10 millionth traveller to pass through SmartGate, Customs’ automated passenger processing system, was greeted by Customs Manager Passenger Operations, Peter Lewis today at Auckland International Airport....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Key vs. Cunliffe: Final Live NZ Election Reactor 7pm Tonight
    John Key and David Cunliffe go head to head for the last time tonight and you can decide who wins by driving the worm. This is the last live Election Reactor covering the debate tonight at 7pm on TV One....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Offenders Get Road Safety Message
    Wellington Community Corrections partnered with emergency services, government agencies, organisations and Kapiti Coast District Council to deliver an innovative road safety programme to 70 community-based offenders at Southwards Car Museum on Tuesday 16...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Proposed law to decriminalise Abortion
    http://images.tvnz.co.nz/tvnz_images/news2011/politics_news/12/q_a_interview__list_mp_jan_logie_n2.jpgRight to Life is disappointed that the Green Party is refusing to provide a response to the seven very important questions that have been addressed to Jan Logie, spokesperson...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Election 2014 Will Be Costly
    The Taxpayers’ Union has today released the final update for its ' Bribe-O-Meter ' election costing website in the lead-up to Saturday’s general election. Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Roy Morgan Poll September 17
    John Key set to win narrow election victory on Saturday as Labour/Greens slump puts Winston Peters in powerful position as NZ First surge to 8% Today’s New Zealand Roy Morgan Poll shows National (46.5%, up 1.5%) set to win a...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Wahakura Package would provide warm welcome for babies
    The Greens Wahakura Welcome package announced yesterday is a wonderful example of child-centred policy which would help all children get a fair and equal start in life, says Child Poverty Action Group. CPAG health spokesperson Innes Asher says,...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • TPPA a Sellout to American Corporate Greed
    New Zealand will become a permanent prisoner to the United States’ greed and global arrogance if the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) isn’t stopped, warns Internet MANA....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Wintry showers and blustery winds for Election Day
    As we head towards the weekend, it is time to look at what the weather will be for New Zealand's "Have Your Say" Day....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • New national secretary announced
    The PSA is pleased to announce the appointment of Erin Polaczuk to the role of national secretary....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Public Secotr & TISA: On the cusp of something very special?
    Is the National Party keeping some things out of sight in case they frighten the electorate? Here is some worrying evidence that this may be the case....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • MPI ups yacht biosecurity ante
    Yachts arriving in Northland from overseas this season will face greater biosecurity scrutiny, says the Ministry for Primary Industries (MPI)....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • iPredict Election Update
    John Key’s National Party now has an 88% probability of leading the next government , most probably with the support of NZ First, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict. There...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Crowdfunding to Save Native Fish
    NZ Landcare Trust is offering an exciting project designed to assist native fish, as part of the launch of a new global crowdfunding category called 'The Landcare & Environment Collection.' This exciting step, aims to help raise funds and support,...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • New methods needed to reach non-voters
    Non-voters are much heavier users of the internet than those who do vote, while 43 per cent of non-voters say they never read a newspaper according to research released today by the Election Data Consortium....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Parties sent home with report cards
    More than 2000 New Zealanders came together to run a full page ad in the Herald today asking all Parties what they will commit to do to clean up politics. The answers are in, and ActionStation has graded Parties on...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • One in 10 Kiwis want Winston Peters to Run the Country -Poll
    New Zealand First leader, Winston Peters has seen his personal popularity reach a three-year high in the final 3News/Reid Research poll ahead of Election Day....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Shut Down This Govt Not Kaiti WINZ
    "I’m going to make it as hard for you to get help as I can" is Paula Bennett’s message to the people of Kaiti said MANA candidate Te Hāmua Nikora today in response to the news that National will close...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • New methods needed to reach non-voters
    Non-voters are much heavier users of the internet than those who do vote, while 43 per cent of non-voters say they never read a newspaper according to research released today by the Election Data Consortium....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Conservatives Break Through 5% Threshold
    Reports in today’s Dominion Post that the Conservative Party is polling at 6% in Nationals internal polling are not surprising says the Conservative Napier candidate Garth McVicar....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • The MANA Plan for Beneficiaries and Income in Waiariki
    Median Personal Income for Waiariki is $21,700. Over 13,000 Maori who live in Waiariki rely upon a form of government benefit including the Unemployment Benefit, Sickness Benefit, Domestic Purpose Benefit and the Invalids Benefit....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • IGIS: No Indiscriminate Interception of NZers’ Data Found
    “As part of my role as Inspector-General, I review whether the GCSB complies with the restrictions upon interception of New Zealanders’ communications and with the requirement to intercept communications only for authorised purposes. That review...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Conservatives Break through 5% Threshold
    Reports in today’s Dominion Post that the Conservative Party is polling at 6% in Nationals internal polling are not surprising says the Conservative Napier candidate Garth McVicar....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Hundreds of Students Turn Out for Political Debate
    With only a few days left before the general election, over 500 Victoria students packed the central Hub space on campus today to listen to a political debate on student issues organised by the Students’ Association. Victoria University of Wellington...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Ex-prisoners make most of mentoring to make most of life
    It’s not every day that an organisation triples a programme in size, but PARS Inc (formerly known as the Prisoners’ Aid and Rehabilitation Society of the Auckland District Inc) has managed to do just that with their Community Mentoring Scheme,...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Unscrupulous worker highlights why 90-days works
    Federated Farmers believes the experience of a husband and wife farming team in Taranaki underscores why the 90-days provision is so important to small businesses. “Yesterday a member called 0800 FARMING to alert us to a guy doing the rounds...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Eye to Eye Uploaded
    Leading Maori broadcaster and political commentator Willie Jackson previews Eye to Eye Uploaded, a multi-platform series of interviews that he’s aiming to put in front of media radars next year....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Party Rankings against Inequality
    Revealed: which party will do the most to reduce New Zealand’s growing inequality crisis...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Maritime Union backs change of Government
    The Maritime Union says a change of Government is required to deliver secure jobs and decent wages for New Zealand workers....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Green Party package for newborns welcomed
    16 September 2014 Media Release The New Zealand College of Midwives has welcomed a policy announced today by the Green Party which would provide a package of essential items for every newborn baby. The College is a non partisan organisation...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • ALCP Release Election Manifesto
    The Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party has released its manifesto in the lead up to the election on Saturday....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Election Daily Update #9
    John Key’s National Party appears to have received a major boost from last night’s “Moment of Truth” event, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict. Despite no major changes...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Eminem Publishers Sue New Zealand National Party
    Detroit-based music publishing companies sue National Party for damages for unauthorised use of song in election campaign advertising...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Parties Back Rethink of WINZ Shared Care Parenting Laws
    Overwhelming Majority of Parties Back Rethink of WINZ Shared Care Parenting Laws. Press release- Fifty Fifty Campaign, 16 September 2014 National is the only political party willing to defend the way WINZ treats separated parents who share their kids...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Parents Smacking Down Prime Minister
    "John Keys failure to deliver on his promise to change the anti-smacking law is costing National votes, and helping the Conservative Party," says Colin Craig....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Political Debate on Family Violence – Video & Audio
    The Dunedin Collaboration Against Family Violence was happy to host a political debate on Family Violence chaired by Professor Nicola Atwool of the University of Otago. Family Violence is a huge problem in our community and we invited representatives...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Greens Take Nanny State To A New Level
    Family First NZ is labelling the Green’s ‘welcome package’ for newborns policy as wasteful and misdirected. “This policy is taking ‘nanny state’ to a new level but indicates just how much the Greens want to intervene in family life,”...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • 2,100 people send message about dirty politics
    2,100 people have signed their name to a full-page open letter featuring in the New Zealand Herald this Wednesday. The letter is designed to send a message to politicians that dirty politics is an important election issue....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Are DoC manipulating Rat Numbers?
    Ban 1080 Political Party co-leader Bill Wallace says there are serious rumours DoC has changed their rat counting technique to cover up the lack of the mythical “Rat Plague” claimed by the Department in Kahurangi National Park, and also that...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Average Full time Student Is in Financial Distress
    A new survey has found that nearly half of all full time students are in significant financial distress....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Key and Cunliffe, research revealed by Ancestry.com.au
    Contrasting family histories of John Key and David Cunliffe, revealed by research from Ancestry.com.au....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Revelations a Damning Indictment of Key’s Honesty
    The Prime Minister’s honesty is now central to the election, says Internet Party Leader Laila Harré, following the revelations of whistleblower Edward Snowden that there is mass surveillance of New Zealand citizens by the GCSB....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Organisations Have ‘Duty of Care’ for Players says Law Firm
    Concussion injuries in amateur and professional sporting arenas are currently highly topical. Concussion potentially appears to have been implicit in the recent death of a young player in Northland....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
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