" Do you think that if you include a quote in your comment, you're not actually introducing the contents of that quote into the thread? " The contents of that quote were about organised labour. They were in direct response to your comment https://...
You could be right. I was reflecting on the backlash to the private school funding. This may well push any wayward green voters back into their corner.
" you regard "raising awareness" as some modicum of achievement. " In the case of peaceful protest. most definitely. Athletes taking a knee have been viewed by tens of millions, perhaps hundreds of millions, of people across the planet. In the UK alone, ...
This is my words. "This is someone elses words, in this case a Royal Commission into organised LABOUR" I'm sensing you're a waste of time.
"lol so now removing a corrupt system developed to oppress people and replacing it with a less oppressive system of social support and public safety is "against human nature"?" It's a lala land proposal. ""Raising awareness" means people know about ...
No, I talked about organised labour. You mentioned organised crime in your previous post. I didn't say you did. What you did was conflate organised crime with the police. Because you seem to think disputes in the coal mining industry 100 years ago are ...
Well said.
" Working through the process of legislative change is still closer to achieving change than "raising awareness" even if it is eventually unsuccessful in this instance. " Rubbish. Raising awareness is here and now. Working through legislative change (in ...
Organised 'labour'. That's the term you used. 2. 'The police' are not organised crime. 3. Events in the coal industry 100 years ago are not relevant to what is happening today. And violent protest did not solve those problems. Educate yourself.
My 'high beliefs'? I see many commentators here who have beliefs I share. The objections I have expressed are quite specific. They related to Maui's comment here https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-02-09-2020/#comment-1747334, which are events in the here...
The rule of law and the value of human life go hand in hand, in my view. And yes I am outraged at the killing of George Floyd. But two wrongs don't make a right. We don't repay or resolve injustice by punishing innocents, but by holding the perpetrators ...
" Labour absolutely in no uncertain terms cannot achieve a sole majority " I wouldn't be so sure. If NZF and the Greeens vote dips below 5%, the Labour could well have a majority over the centre right parties.
...and it doesn;t mean it works. Perhaps you've acknowledged that by digging out a 100+ years dispute that was not resolved by violent thuggery (although that was certainly a part of some organised labour activities).
Organised labour throughout the world has been full of thugs and corrupt practice. We only have to look over the Tasman. "According to evidence before the royal commission, the CFMEU has clear links to organised crime."https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/...
I quoted the the specific comment I was replying to, which referred to a mandate, not about the formation of the government. Labour did NOT get a mandate from the last election. They formed a government with the suport of NZF, who have infact acted as a ...
" Labour went into the last election promising "Transformational" change. Is that not a mandate? " Not when they received only 37% of the vote and the incumbents received 45%.
" a democracy relies on sensible decisions from incumbents to de-escalate the potential for violence. " Yes, I agree. However that shouldn't mean sacrificing the rule of law. We can be outraged by the killing of George Floyd and take meaningful action ...
" If a donut store has to be trashed before murderers in uniform are charged, I'm not going to get worked up over the vandalism. " Unless and until it was your donut shop, I suspect. Violent protest that harms innocent people and/or their property is never...
" So "raising awareness" is more of an achievement than getting political action from a city council? " Yes, it is. The policy action means nothing until it is affirmed by popular vote. Further, even if passed, the policy has achieved nothing until it ...
Are you advocating for a mixed market economy, or the redefinition of 'socialism'? I ask because state intervention (using private sector taxation btw) is not socialism. It is more the state taking a role in moderating the inequalities normally so evident ...
You made no reference to violence by cops until https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-02-09-2020/#comment-1747560, and no refernce to right wing violence until https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-02-09-2020/#comment-1747577. You came late to the ...
"...even placing the concept in front of the electorate is more progress on the issue than taking a knee ever got." It hasn't 'achieved' anything. The vote is yet to take place, and there is absolutely no guarantee an affirmative vote will lead to any ...
" It was a subject being discussed, " Not in this thread. This convo started with https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-02-09-2020/#comment-1747334. The comment referred to " left aligned protests/riots in democrat led cities. " Not sure what you've been ...
Are you seriously suggesting that a social experiment that hasn't even been passed by voters has actually achieved anything? This is more likely to be an absolute disaster, but then neither of us know yet. (Note - FYI the article concludes "Despite ...
So not by a proposal that hadn't even been voted on?
So you don't like the guy's opinion on waterboarding, but you have no evidence that he has "a long long history of shameless partisan lying". That's good. Meanwhile, Thurley is far from partisan. He "called for criminal prosecution of Bush administration ...
That hasn't been the subject of discussion. I'm happy to oblige if you wish.
A proposal (see the correction at the foot of the article) to disband the city's police force is an achievement? How do you measure 'achievement'?
Nor will looting and violence. It is feeding Trump and dividing America even more, if that is possible.
The violence I'm referring to is coming from some within the protestors. The only effect that is having is to harm innocent individuals, and place the police and citizenry at even greater risk.
I very much doubt it. Although there seems to be some Democratic politicians who are prepared to try that as a social experiment,
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