I think you’ve missed the “70,000 scientists signed this petition”

that they didn’t know that they’d ‘signed’

Cripes mate that is, is… so accurate.

This could undermine the anthropogenic argument

I love this shit.

Hey, look at this! If you pump out these gases into the atmosphere everything we know about climatology says the temp should rise

Oh yeah? So?

So those are the gases we’ve been pumping out.

Well the temperature isn’t rising so your *theory* is for shit.

Yeah well there’s feedback loops and buffers and stuff. It’s a complicated business, but in any case, those buffers can’t handle what we are throwing at them and eventually things’ll have to pop somewhere. It’s fucking physics.

Pffft. Nah you’re full of it. Come back to me when the temp starts rising.

dum-de-doo, dum-de-doo

Hi. the temps are totally rising. Look at this graph. It’s a zigzag heading up.

Yeah but we’re going down at the moment. You’re such a liar, that’s the total opposite of what you said!

Look smarter. Like I said, it zigzags, but if you smooth out those zigzags it’s heading up. Just like we expected. And it’s physics. There’s a problem here. We should really start pumping less of this shit into the atmosphere.

Why? Even if we are getting hotter, hotter’s good, and you can’t prove it’s these gases you’re so concerned about.

A little bit hotter overall can make life really unpleasant in the places humans actually fucking live, and every time these gases have been more prevalent, the temp has risen. We’ve been checking it out.

So it’s happened before then?

Yep. Here’s the graphs and data. It’s definitely happened before, lots of times. These gases that we are pumping out cause the temp to rise.

Ha ha. That data says it happened before humans had even evolved, therefore it can’t be us. Or did we send back our gases in a time machine? What a loon. ha ha.

Er, it’s the gases, not the people. The gases can be released in any number of ways, none of them good, some of them though, preventable. Which would be ‘the point’.

So how can you say that it’s us that’s releasing the gases?

Had a suck on your tailpipe lately?

You’re really uncivil, you know that?

Don’t get me fucking started.

However the geology of previous eras tells us roughly what happens when greenhouse gases increase in the atmosphere. Ice melts, sea levels rise, the climate changes over wide areas with changing rain and wind patterns, sea currents turn on and off, deserts shift, even possible northern glaciations, etc. The exact effects are unpredictable when you’re looking back over 10′s of thousands or millions of years.

The only thing that you can be sure about is that human civilization will suffer intensely. It evolved for and during relatively stable climatic conditions (geologically speaking). Climate changes that can be withstood by hunter-gathers are likely to be lethal for complex civilizations. Do you want to take the risks to have an RV?

This could undermine the anthropogenic argument

ps. New capcha is easier to read thx

I turned off the speaking version mainly to get rid of the extra comment. Will turn back on if anyone desperately needs it.

P.S. The fact that edit works on my own comments in the RSS feed is pretty cool

The other nice thing about Peters anti-spam though is that not only does it allow me to respond from my iPhone, I’ve also just found that it also allows me to respond from my severely locked down work system…….

And I just got a quote string – that is definitely the problem. Will fix now. Time for a break anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD39QY8ew3c

and the global comunust peer-reviewed science journals?

I’m sure redbaiter and MacDoc can give us a more sophisticated look at the conspiracy than i can though … guys, a bit of help here?