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A lot of hot air

Written By: - Date published: 6:59 am, July 9th, 2012 - 138 comments
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Climate Change Minister Tim Groser: “Our farmers have been reducing their emissions by 1.3% per year for two decades” (that’s emissions per unit of output, btw, not absolute – although total emissions from agriculture are down in recent years). Groser on why farming should be out of the ETS: “we’ll introduce biological emissions into the ETS when we think there credible abatement technologies out there.”

Um. So, farmers are reducing their emissions but it’s not fair to put them into the ETS  – ie. everyone else should pay for their emissions through our tax dollars – because there’s no way for them to reduce their emissions….

Let’s face the truth: farmers can reduce their emissions and paying the price of their pollution would encourage them to take up the opprtunties to reduce them further. But, instead, National is making us subsidise agricultural pollution.

Worse, they’re just not taking climate chane seriously, even as we see more extreme heatwaves and more storms.

138 comments on “A lot of hot air”

  1. Tigger 1

    Answered a Fonterra survey last week, some of which was about pollution (mostly seemed to be about their rebranding as ‘our’ Fonterra bs).

  2. Let’s face the truth: farmers can reduce their emissions and paying the price of their pollution would encourage them to take up the opprtunties to reduce them further. But, instead, National is making us subsidise agricultural pollution.

    The gases produced by the existence of plant and animal life on this planet are pollution to the same extent you breathing out all that CO2 is pollution. Maybe the govt could introduce a breathing tax? That might prompt you to reduce your emissions.

    Given that the ETS doesn’t do what it was supposed to do, it would make more sense for the govt to stop billing the taxpayer for this supposed “pollution” that farm animals are producing and think about a carbon pricing system that might actually achieve something other than unintended consequences.

    • felix 2.1

      There’s nothing “unintended” about National selectively applying legislation so as to advantage farmers at the expense of everyone else.

    • Deano 2.2

      the millions of cows in new zealand producing methane are as much an artifical (ie human-created) source of greenhosue gases as the millions of cars.

      • Psycho Milt 2.2.1

        Animals emit GHG gases – if those are a pollutant, your argument is with life on earth, not farmers.

        • felix 2.2.1.1

          Milt, from what you write around the place you’re obviously a very smart person. Why are you pretending you’re not?

          You know the millions of cows on our farms exist because we have deliberately bred that many. It’s (almost) entirely up to us how many cows are born and how many die. Nothing to do with “life on earth” in the sense that you imply as if it’s a state of nature we are powerless to control.

          • Psycho Milt 2.2.1.1.1

            The cows in NZ are here because we put them here, yes – but that comes under the heading of So What for several reasons:

            1. There’s no reason these particular animals are bad relative to other animals that exist and have existed. A farmer is entitled to resist being billed for his ruminants if we let wetlands continue to exist and let wild ruminants wander about with nobody clipping the ticket.

            2. If we weren’t using that land for growing cows we’d be using it for some other form of food production, which would also involve greenhouse gases. Anyone who complains about GHGs emitted by food production and also eats is a hypocrite.

            3. What comes out of a cow is no more pollution than what comes out of you or me. If critters with unnaturally-large populations need to have their numbers reduced for the good of the planet, seems to me humans would logically be number one on the priority list, not cows.

            • Deano 2.2.1.1.1.1

              farming is an industry – just because the manufacture of food and other agricultural products involves a biological process doesn’t change the fact that the process is occuring because of human action and, therefore, it’s GHG emissions are human-induced.

              Since the point is to stop human-induced climate change, we can’t ignore a human-induced source of the gases that cause climate change.

              And saying ‘if you eat, you’re a hypcrite’ is stupid – it’s like saying ‘if you think this government is less than perfect but you refuse to joing armed revolt agaisnt it, you’re a hypocrite’.

              The point is that there are techs to reduce emissions per unit of output now and those techs can be improved upon – so let’s do it and let’s give farmers a financial incentive to pick up those techs.

              • Colonial Viper

                Destocking and de-intensification is going to be part of the answer in many cases. No way around it.

              • Jenny

                Some major central government initiative is required. It would be good to hear of some serious policy initiatives from our aspiring governmental parties on this issue.

              • The point is that there are techs to reduce emissions per unit of output now and those techs can be improved upon – so let’s do it and let’s give farmers a financial incentive to pick up those techs.

                Some scheme to do that would probably be a good idea. It’s too bad the current one will amount to a tax on owning livestock.

                Some major central government initiative is required.It would be good to hear of some serious policy initiatives from our aspiring governmental parties on this issue.

                I guess it’s theoretically possible that NZ’s political parties might lay before the voters a plan for a major initiative to wreck our biggest export industry and drive the prices of dairy products even higher than they are now, but I wouldn’t put money on it.

                • Jenny

                  Though I raised stopping all dairy conversions on the Canturbury Plains as an option, and possibly even reversing some farms already converted back to cropping. What I was actually asking was: Are there are any policy ideas coming from our political aspirants to government different than that to the current administration?

                  • Robert M

                    Actually I agree. NZ had quite enough dairy farms with their excessive runoffs and production of too much fatty milk products. The idea that by increasing production by 50% internally within NZ is somehow going to give us sufficient weight to remain a world level dairy markerter remains absurd. The extra water use and runoff from extra dairy is quite unsustainable.
                    There is far better use for the remaining Waitaki and Rakaia water than using it to fuel more dairy conversions that will be farmed by the usual uneducated, unitelligent daft aspirant farmers of the Ewen MacDonald sort. Some more water could have been allocated to those areas to help them thru dry years and sustain lamb and crop farming- but not any expansion of dairy.
                    The English,Grosser and Smiths policies are fradulent pie in the Sky stuff. The emission tradings schemes and carbon transfers etc have always been an elaborate fraud , never intended to be seriously implemented generally and never in the agricultural area. The emission tradings schemes are all simply designed to give credibility to NZ green voters and the international image that NZ is enviromentally sensitive and still remotely part of the advanced intelligent liberal western world. Its a short term con,with the intention always to push implementation dates out furthur step by step into the never,never.
                    I think I corresponded with Nick Smith with ideas for a green centre party and the ideas of the Nats seeking a Green partner or creating one, 15 years ago. From my point of view I was talking about urban greenism, public transport, solar energy etc- but I think Smith developed the idea of the Blue Greens and attraction to the Green voters about that time from multiple sources. But for the Nats its a poitical strategy aimed in assisting and disguising the key National strategy of English and Smith of cementing the provincial seats as the strongest Nat areas and changing the strongest Labour areas traditionally in the heartland into strong National bases.

            • Draco T Bastard 2.2.1.1.1.2

              1.) Over-population
              2.) But quite significantly less
              3.) Yes

            • felix 2.2.1.1.1.3

              Milt that is so much bullshit.

              1. They don’t just “exist”, we created them. And we don’t have millions of wild ruminants running around and we aren’t creating any more wetlands.

              2. In that case anyone who argues that anything could be done better is a hypocrite.

              3. Being human doesn’t require that we raise so many cows.

              I take back the first part of my previous comment. If you seriously believe any of what you just wrote you’re a moron.

              • 1. So? The biotonnage of animals on the planet is not small – it makes no sense to arbitrarily assign a “pollutant” category to some tiny proportion of them because we increased their population. There’s a hell of a lot of animals that have had their population decreased by humans, but I don’t expect anyone will be volunteering to dish out carbon credits for it. Also, no NZ doesn’t have millions of wild ruminants running around but the climate doesn’t observe our geographic boundaries. From the atmosphere’s pov there’s no difference between the emissions of a cow in NZ and an elephant in Kenya.

                2. Maybe, but then I also think that people who regard the outputs of animals as pollutants should be agitating for a tax on their own breath and on any children they produce before they start hassling farmers for growing food. Some hypocrisy is more annoying than others.

                3. So? What comes out of a cow is no more a pollutant than what comes out of you or me. Imagining otherwise is simply wrong.

                • McFlock

                  1: Not all animals are artificially concentrated with things like intensive grass fertilisation (not to mention that many fertilisers involve longer-cycle carbon).
                     
                  2: Funnliy enough, a lot of people are trying to lower their own carbon footprint voluntarily. Farmers… not so much.

                  3: It’s not so much the substance as the needless amount. See 2.

                  • If you want a “needless amount,” ask yourself what the planet’s current need for 7 billion people is. Cows are trivial by comparison.

                    And some farmers are trying to lower their own carbon footprint voluntarily, just like some other people. So what? At issue is the extent to which the govt should make people pay for the emissions of animals, not the extent to which some social class you despise is morally inferior to those you don’t. If some people should be billed for the CO2 and methane outputs of animals they’re responsible for, why not all of us? Farmers at least stand to get billed for cows from 2015 onwards – where’s the plan to bill the rest of us? You, your kids, your pets, all of us are turning out greenhouse gases every minute of every day, and we are more concentrated and artificially supported than any farm animal. If you’re feeling angry at farmers not getting billed until 2015, you should be incandescent with rage at the failure of the govt to make any plans at all to increment your own taxes for the gases produced by you and every dependent adult, child or pet on your property (or make deductions from your benefits, as the case may be). Let’s bitch about the farmers once we’ve removed the justification for them to bitch about us.

                    • RedLogix

                      It should come as no surprise that, when confronted with the challenge of reducing our carbon emissions from the burning of fossil fuels, some people angrily proclaim, “Why should we bother? Even breathing out creates carbon emissions!”

                      This statement fails to take into account the other half of the carbon cycle. As you also learned in grade school, plants are the opposite to animals in this respect: Through photosynthesis, they take in carbon dioxide and release oxygen, in a chemical equation opposite to the one above. (They also perform some respiration, because they need to eat as well, but it is outweighed by the photosynthesis.) The carbon they collect from the CO2 in the air forms their tissues – roots, stems, leaves, and fruit.

                      These tissues form the base of the food chain, as they are eaten by animals, which are eaten by other animals, and so on. As humans, we are part of this food chain. All the carbon in our body comes either directly or indirectly from plants, which took it out of the air only recently.

                      Therefore, when we breathe out, all the carbon dioxide we exhale has already been accounted for. By performing cellular respiration, we are simply returning to the air the same carbon that was there to begin with. Remember, it’s a carbon cycle, not a straight line – and a good thing, too!

                      http://www.skepticalscience.com/does-breathing-contribute-to-co2-buildup-in-the-atmosphere.html

                      On the other hand cows create methane which while short-lived in the atmosphere, is more intense in it’s effect. This means that methane (CH4) has to be counted as an extra component to the AGW effect … over and above that which the same amount of carbon in CO2 contributes.

                    • So, GHGs produced by humans are just part of the natural atmospheric cycle even when we make 7 billion CO2 excreters while cutting down most of the CO2-absorbing trees, but GHGs produced by ruminants are an unnatural imposition on the atmospheric cycle that must be accounted for?

                      In other words, your quote works for complaints about needing to reduce emissions from fossil fuels, but loses all logic when you apply it to animals.

            • Matthew Whitehead 2.2.1.1.1.4

              1) These particular animals in these particular numbers and density are not a natural occurence. They have been fed, bred, and contained to protect them so they can be slaughtered for meat. If everyone stopped eating meat, or even just ate three quarters less, it would do an amazing amount for the climate.

              2) Other forms of food production than livestock are in general far more energy-efficient, as livestock use up paddock space, resources for barns, pens, or other animal housing, medications, workhours, and an incredible amount of potable water IN ADDITION to using more space and water for grains or other feed stocks than we would need to actually grow food directly to feed the same number of people. If we quit or even just greatly reduced meat and dairy farming, it would be far more impactful than say, improving our fuel economy or taking buses everywhere. (which yes, I also do.)

              3) What comes out of you or me, assuming you’re talking about methane or CO2, is indeed also a pollutant, because there is too much of it for the atmosphere to handle, which is why we need to be moving towards negative global population growth. It seems to me we should focus on each individual human having a high quality of life and clean water, good, healthy, and efficient food, (ie. not meat) rather than cramming in as many animals- human or otherwise- on the planet as possible. And we can do that without war, forced sterilisation, or any of the other scare-mongering strawarguments about politcies to slow or reverse population growth.

              • Hell is other people, huh?

                • RedLogix

                  Well if there were so many ‘other people’ that the entire planet was stacked ten layers deep with us… then I guess that would be hell too.

                  (I had this pile of straw lying about and….)

                • mike e

                  PM Hey us humans are subsidizing cows right now Under the ETS. I thought you’d be happy about that !
                  A little GM and we can help you avoid that as you already have the intelligence of a cow it would explain why you talk so much BS.

            • rosy 2.2.1.1.1.5

              1. Not much sympathy with this argument. We grow cows at greater and greater densities than other ruminants wandering wetlands.
              2. I have some sympathy with that argument – but we could be growing plants instead. As it stands a monoculture of dairying is what we’re getting. Emissions trading* may affect that.
              3. A lot of sympathy with this argument. No-one seems to have come up with an emissions trading scheme that includes population increases with credits for effective family planning. Can of worms, that one!

              * not that I actually agree with the ETS, but if we’re going to have it it might be useful here

    • Shane Gallagher 2.3

      Okay – I am going to assume you are simply mis-informed…. In order to create pasture out of what was once forest you have to either burn it down or chop it down. Mostly it was burnt – carbon goes into atmosphere. Then you plow the fields – more carbon escapes into the atmosphere as there is a lot of carbon trapped in the soil that is released when you plow it. Also you get run-off into water and that helps release more carbon. Then you put cows on the pasture land who essentially convert a large amount of the grass into methane. Now methane has a greenhouse effect 25 times that of CO2. So you chop down trees that are soaking up CO2 and storing it in the ground and replace them with Methane creating cows you have a net increase in our greenhouse gas emmsions.

      Got it? This is basic chemistry… not that complicated really. :-)

      • Psycho Milt 2.3.1

        I doubt even a Greens govt would attempt to bill farmers and Maori for the NZ forests that have been burnt over the last 1000 years. Also, animals eating vegetation is to a great extent what life on this planet involves. Anyone wanting to wring their hands over how awful that is will promptly stop all that eating they’ve been doing, if they’ve the courage of their convictions.

        • Draco T Bastard 2.3.1.1

          Typical, moronic and false either/or option put forward as an argument.

  3. TT 3

    All farming is dirty, polluting activity; particularly animal. Farming animals is also morally reprehensible. The practice should cease immediately. So called “livestock” farmers should also face criminal charges for the inevitable cruelty of their evil practices. We should only farm for the needs of the people of this country. That farming should only be plant-life, and possibly insects if people insist on eating animal protein. At least that way the emissions per gram of protein would be acceptable.

    • Sweetd 3.1

      Are you for real or a pizz take?

      • Jenny 3.1.1

        Yes, I think TT will be hearing from the ILF (Insect Liberation Front).

        • Populuxe1 3.1.1.1

          At the risk of annoying the mods (I apologise in advance), I do love this relevant quote from G. K. Chesterton’s delightful novel The Napoleon of Notting Hill (1904):

          There was Mr Edward Carpenter, who thought we should in a very short time return to Nature, and live simply and slowly as the animals do. And Edward Carpenter was followed by James Pickie DD (of Pocahontas College), who said that men were immensely improved by grazing, or by taking their food slowly and continuously, after the manner of cows. And he said that he had, with the most encouraging results, turned city men out on all fours in a field covered with veal cutlets. Then Tolstoy and the Humanitarians said that the world was growing more merciful, and therefore no one would ever desire to kill. And vegetarianism doomed (‘shedding’, as he called it finely, ‘the green blood of the silent animals’), and predicted that men in a better age would live on nothing but salt. And then came the pamphlet from Oregon (where the thing was tried), and the pamphlet called ‘Why should Salt suffer?’ and there was more trouble.

          • Carol 3.1.1.1.1

            Actually, more relevant is how humans lived prior to the development of agriculture. When humans were hunter-gatherers, animal food was a small percentage of their diet, and plant food made up the main bulk of their food-supply.

            Agriculture, especially intensive animal farming, has shifted that balance. I don’t think it’s necessary to give up eating meat completely, but I do think western diets are over-reliant on meat and intensive, environment-damaging agriculture.

            • Populuxe1 3.1.1.1.1.1

              Because Japanese whaling and overfishing are so much better?

              • Carol

                Did I say anything about fishing and whaling?

                I’d put intensive fishing, whaling and fish farming in the same category as agriculture and intensive animal farming. I was suggesting plant protein as an alternative.

      • Carol 3.1.2

        http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jun/02/un-report-meat-free-diet

        As the global population surges towards a predicted 9.1 billion people by 2050, western tastes for diets rich in meat and dairy products are unsustainable, says the report from United Nations Environment Programme’s (UNEP) international panel of sustainable resource management.

        It says: “Impacts from agriculture are expected to increase substantially due to population growth increasing consumption of animal products. Unlike fossil fuels, it is difficult to look for alternatives: people have to eat. A substantial reduction of impacts would only be possible with a substantial worldwide diet change, away from animal products.”

        http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/meat-and-environment.aspx

        Many leading environmental organizations, including the National Audubon Society, the Worldwatch Institute, the Sierra Club, the Union of Concerned Scientists, and even Al Gore’s Live Earth—have recognized that raising animals for food damages the environment more than just about anything else that we do. Whether it’s the overuse of resources, global warming, massive water or air pollution, or soil erosion, raising animals for food is wreaking havoc on the Earth.

        The most important step you can take to save the planet is to go vegetarian. Order PETA’s free vegetarian/vegan starter kit for tips and recipes to get you started on an Earth-friendly vegan diet today.

        • ghostwhowalksnz 3.1.2.1

          Carol , just pasting slabs of content will get attention of the moderators.
          Do you have some of your own ideas ?

          • Carol 3.1.2.1.1

            Usually I add comments, gww, but in this case, I thought the quotes spoke for themselves & answered sweetd’s questions: ie that there is a strong argument, based in official stats and reports against farming animals for food – hence there was a serious point to TT’s post,even though there was a slight tongue-in-cheek element to how it was made.

            I really thought I didn’t need to add anything – TT failed to provide evidence in support of her/his comment. I was providing such omitted evidence.

        • higherstandard 3.1.2.2

          Why doesn’t PETA just have done with it and call for the orderly eviction of humans from the earth.

          • Carol 3.1.2.2.1

            I’m not a great fan of Peta, but in this case, they were referring to reports, stats etc about how damaging animal farming has become.

      • Uturn 3.1.3

        Who knows what anything means on this site, but at face value TT’s comments are not such an unusual view:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5waCNdr8sI

        Eating insects is only unusual in the Western world. Here in NZ you’re only likely to find them on the menu of the WildFood festival.

        http://www.wildfoods.co.nz/index.cfm/1,51,0,0,html

        A buddhist of a certain type would find Farming animals reprehensible; the criminal charges part is fair opinion depending on your outlook; farming only for domestic need is fair opinion, even if there is no explanation how this could join to a wider economic system; farming insects is possible and fair opinion; as is comment on emissions.

        • Draco T Bastard 3.1.3.1

          farming only for domestic need is fair opinion, even if there is no explanation how this could join to a wider economic system;

          What, exactly, do you mean by join to a wider economic system? Surely, producing food is merely part of the economic system even if we have elevated it to heights it doesn’t deserve in NZ?

    • gorj 3.2

      TT, disagree on the point of all livestock farming being morally reprehensible.

      Which is more ethical: Bringing an animal into the world and giving it a happy life free from predators, disease and killing it quickly and painlessly to provide sustenance for humans or not giving the animal life at all. Most farmed animals in this country would not survive outside of farms, they rely on humans for their wellbeing, you can’t set them free.

      Unfortunately a lot of farming, battery and meat chickens especially, is done with little regard for the welfare of the animals so I don’t eat a whole lot of meat unless it’s free range/organic. In these cases I think it is more ethical to eat the meat than not eat it.

      Also if I think you are going to be eating your chops and steaks, you should be prepared to eat all other parts of the animal, liver, kidneys, offal, brains and all that. You should honour the life of the animal and get the most out out of it cheers.

      • felix 3.2.1

        “Which is more ethical: Bringing an animal into the world and giving it a happy life free from predators, disease and killing it quickly and painlessly to provide sustenance for humans or not giving the animal life at all.”

        Not “giving it life” at all, whatever you think that might mean.

  4. Jenny 4

    Methane produced by ruminants is New Zealand’s number one leading contributer to global warming, molecule for molecule, thirty times more dangerous to the climate than CO2.

    Other than ignoring this reality, which is the Feds favoured option….

    What can be done about it?

    What practical steps can be taken?

    The ETS is an obvious failure making no impact at all on either CO2 emissions or any other greenhouse gas emissions.

    The only outcome of a pollution trading scheme is to burden the population with the cost of not meeting our international obligations.

    Some other major central government policy direction is obviously required.

    Due to the dearth of any policy related to Methane pollution from either of our nation’s two main political parties, or even the Greens.

    I would humbly like to start the debate.

    In my opinion what is needed is legislative curbs on any more dairy conversions in the South Island, particularly on land poorly suited to dairying like the Canturbury Plains.

    Going further than that, returning dairy conversions back to cropping, more suited to the climate of this area. Being less polluting and in less need of intensive irrigation needed by dairying in this area of the many over exploited and degraded south Island braided rivers in a rain shadowed semi arid area.

    What crop could replace dairy?

    Soy is a universally demanded crop. Not only this it’s refinery with some rejigging could take advantage of the already existing dairy factory infrastructure and workforce without any loss of jobs.

    Other benefits could be, taking the pressure off of rainforest destruction for soy farms to meet the international demand for soy. The destruction of rainforest in Latin America for massive industrial scale soy farming being a major environmental threat in its self.

    Such inniatives as this would enhance New Zealand’s international reputation for being ‘clean’ and ‘green’.

    • ghostwhowalksnz 4.1

      And growing soy (- beans) in the Canterbury plains wont need irrigation?

      • Jenny 4.1.1

        And growing soy (- beans) in the Canterbury plains wont need irrigation?

        ghostwhowalksnz

        Of course it will, Ghost, but nowhere near as much irrigation as Dairy. Making it more sustainable and less polluting in the long run. Which currently threatens to exhaust the underground aquifiers as well seriously degrading the Canturbury Plains river systems and water quality generally.

        • ghostwhowalksnz 4.1.1.1

          Rice paddies are a big source of methane, no animals required.

          What should rice farmers shift their cultivation to ?

          • Matthew Whitehead 4.1.1.1.1

            One option is to switch their crops, sure. Another is to cease all-year flooding of paddies and allow them to dry up at natural times, cutting off the methane-producing bacteria for the dry period. In synergy with other methods to fight climate change a less intense push for rice farming wouldn’t mean that nobody you know would ever eat rice again, especially if combined with sensible means to slow and reverse population growth.

    • Soy requires intensive processing to make it edible by humans – if you think shifting to a diet consisting mainly of highly processed food would benefit the environment, you haven’t thought it through very well.

      • Jenny 4.2.1

        Soy requires intensive processing to make it edible by humans -….

        Psycho Milt

        Kia ora Psycho. Firstly. thanks for becoming involved in the debate. I think that I have addressed that issue of the necessary intensive processing of soy, by advocating the conversion of the existing Southland dairy factories.

        …. if you think shifting to a diet consisting mainly of highly processed food would benefit the environment, you haven’t thought it through very well.

        Psycho Milt

        Granted, but Psycho I am talking here of practical and realistic transistional steps of going from most damaging, to least damaging. Particularly as regards to climate change. And with the least impact on working people reliant on the Dairy Industry for their livelyhoods.

        Maybe as well as giving a critique it would be good to see your solution. (Or anyone else for that matter. Who has some ideas for alternative solutions to the methane menace. How about it JAMES).

        • higherstandard 4.2.1.1

          “…alternative solutions to the methane menace.”

          Get on with your life and stop tilting at windmills ?

          • Jenny 4.2.1.1.1

            Get on with your life and stop tilting at windmills

            higherstandard

            People said this to me when nuclear ships were in port, and racially selected sports teams were running on our fields.

            Proudly I can say I ignored them, as I will you.

            • ghostwhowalksnz 4.2.1.1.1.1

              Will you be campaigning against rice farmers , because they too emit methane from the paddies ?

              Will they say , of course YOU are right before and this makes you right again ?

              • Populuxe1

                Actually Jenny is not wrong.
                 

              • prism

                gwwnz
                If you’re a ghost then you have no interest in your own life or anyone else’s. If you want to make a point about rice paddies make it yourself – don’t be lazy and ask others on the site to answer all your questions.

                • ghostwhowalksnz

                  Whats it got to do with you ?
                  Anyway ,either rice paddies are a significant source of methane or they are not.

                  • Populuxe1

                    If you’d read my link above, ghost (Scientific American no less) you would know that methane production by paddies can be dramatically reduced by improved cultivation.

        • Populuxe1 4.2.1.2

          I seriously doubt anything we can accomplish now will moderate or reverse climate change – the genie is well and truly out of the bottle – so going out of our way to hamstring our economy for little benefit seems counterproductive to me, especially as the countries most likely to endure the tribulations of global warming will be the ones with money to pay for relocating communities and massive engineering projects.

          • Jenny 4.2.1.2.1

            the countries most likely to endure the tribulations of global warming will be the ones with money to pay for relocating communities and massive engineering projects.

            Populuxe1

            Well that is just factually wrong. For a start as looks likely, the worst affected will be those in the third world. First world countries like England for instance, will get off relatively lightly in comparison to say Bangladesh or sub Saharan Africa.

            Countries in the global North and South (including ourselves) will be better off than those at the equator. There will be exceptions to this general rule, Australia for instance will likely be devastated, already the driest inhabitable continent could me made mostly uninhabitable.

            • Populuxe1 4.2.1.2.1.1

              Jenny, get out your dictionary and look up what the word “endure” means.

              • Jenny

                My apologies for my misunderstanding of the meaning of your choice of words.

                In common parlance I understand the word “endure” to mean “suffer”. When you wrote “the countries most likely to endure the tribulations of climate change were those with the money to relocate communities or massive engineering projects” I knew that wasn’t right.

                I am aware now that you meant “endure” as in “survive” or “persist”.

                In that context your words have a much more sinister connotation. In that, countries without “money to pay for relocating communities and massive engineering projects”, will not endure/survive.

                I have never read a more cold hearted calculation for continuing climate change.

                How many millions are you talking about here?

                Again I apologise for not comprehending the shockingly monstrous and inhuman message of your words.

                • Populuxe1

                  What a load of melodramatic bumf. If developing nations are to survive they will need all the help they can get from the more technologically advanced wealthy nations. But while your heart is bleeding all over the carpet, humanity will have to endure. I’m simply outlining the likely scenario – I don’t need you to turn me into H*tler 2.0 for stating the obvious.

                  • Jenny

                    You flatter yourself I thought of you more as a Quizzling.

                    I have long considered the apologists for continuing policies that cause climate change worse than the deniers and sceptics. Most apologists, cite the economic cost of any serious mitigation measures to combat climate change as the reason for not doing anything. To which you have added a eugenic twist.

                    All projections show that the cost of doing nothing will be far worse. And not just in terms of money, but in human welfare and habitat loss and environmental degradation as well. But in the self centred world view of the apologists, these costs and this suffering will be inflicted not on them personally but on the next generation.

                    Apologists like you are the Quizzlings of Climate Change.

                    • Populuxe1

                      I try to avoid arguments with the mad, but I am not in any way against trying to reduce greenhouse emissions, but I think it’s naive to think the damage can be undone. With your head in the sand you expect humanity to die for your dream world.
                       

                    • Kotahi Tane Huna

                      Ah, but can they spell Quisling?

                    • The damage can’t be undone, at least not on a shorter-term time scale. What we can do is stop it getting even worse.

                  • Populuxe1

                    Also:

                    I have never read a more cold hearted calculation for continuing climate change.

                    WTF!? Who said anything about deliberately continuing climate change? I don’t think we can stop or reverse it now.

                    • Jenny

                      I don’t think we can stop or reverse it now.

                      Populuxe1

                      That’s exactly what Vidkun Quisling said about the Nazi the take over of Europe.

                    • Jenny

                      WTF!? Who said anything about deliberately continuing climate change?

                      Populuxe1

                      You accept that climate change is happening and that the damage already done can not be reversed.

                      Pop1, If you are not a climate Quisling;

                      Then now, might be a good time to put forward your ideas for mitigating climate change.

                    • Kotahi Tane Huna

                      It’s quite clear what Populuxe is saying. Are you deliberately misunderstanding it?

          • Jenny 4.2.1.2.2

            I seriously doubt anything we can accomplish now will moderate or reverse climate change – the genie is well and truly out of the bottle – so going out of our way to hamstring our economy for little benefit seems counterproductive to me…..

            Populuxe1

            In reply to all surrendering Climate Change defeatists.

            If you will not fight when when the victory is sure and not too costly;

            Then you will come to a time when you will have to fight with the odds against you and only a precarious chance of winning.

            There may even be a worse case scenario.

            We will fight when there is no hope of victory and death is certain, because it is better to die fighting than die on our knees.

            Winstone Churchill

            • Populuxe1 4.2.1.2.2.1

              Jenny, if you must quote that racist pisshead, could you at least spell his name correctly.
              Ecclesiastes 9:4

              • Jenny

                Still waiting for you to say what we should be doing other than surrender?

                • Populuxe1

                  I’m hardly advocating surrender, I simply think our resources would be better spend preparing for the inevitable rather than pretending we can somehow make it go away by getting rid of all our cows.

                  • There’s no point spending money on adapting to climate change if we don’t stop accelerating it first.

                  • Jenny

                    OK Pop1.

                    How do you think “our resources would be better spent preparing for the inevitable…”?

                    Remember that the worst effects of the crisis will fall on the next generation and as you have implied the people in the poorer countries as well.

              • Jenny


                http://bible.cc/ecclesiastes/9-4.htm

                “…A live dog is better than a dead lion”?????

                What a saying to live by.

                Grow a spine man.

                • Populuxe1

                  A spine is only useful to those alive to enjoy it, and it beats the hell out of vainglorious doomed heroics. I firmly believe that our goal should be the futureproofing of this country against the vicissitudes of peak oil and global warming to the best of our ability, not squandering it on feelgood self-hugs.

                  • Jenny

                    Pop1. Can you tell us what you think this “future proofing” should be?

                    • Populuxe1

                      Isn’t that fairly obvious? Tidal barriers, alternative water sources like desalination, evacuation of communities in vulnerable areas, secure renewable energy sources and other infrastructure, prepare for a massive influx of refugees from the Pacific Islands. It’s not like this is a particularly new conversation.

                    • Jenny

                      Hmm. I particularly like your idea of secure renewable energy sources and other infrastructure. I imagine that you are talking about a huge increase in solar and wind as well as hydro and geothermal, possibly even tidal booms. This shouldn’t be such a big ask as 70% of our power already comes from renewables. I also imagine that by “secure infrastructure” you mean building a decent public transport system so we can still get around.

                      As well as this, a major state housing building program to house the thousands of climate refugees will need to be built.

                      Unemployment will disappear overnight.

                      (And I thought I was being radical suggesting new dairy conversions be banned.)

                      Switching the $billions set aside to be wasted on the Roads of National inSignicance could be a good place to start for the funding needed. There will also need to be a major overhaul of the tax system.

                      So how can we create the political will to achieve all this?

                      Any ideas?

                      At the moment the Greens are purposely not raising the issue of Climate Change in case they are seen as too radical. And Labour still seems to be wedded to business as usual.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      So how can we create the political will to achieve all this?

                      You have to shake the voting middle class, those households with an income of over $80K pa, out of their high consumption entitlement mentality.

                      Good luck.

            • Jenny 4.2.1.2.2.2

              At this stage in history we are at Churchill’s second position. Yet still the quislings and defeatists and traitors to humanity oppose taking any action against climate change, refusing to impinge on their own comforts and privileges. Cowardly leaving the next generation to fight climate change from Churchill’s third position.

              Every ANZAC day we gather to commemorate those of the previous generation that gave up, home, family, careers, everything, even their lives to defeat the existential threat of fascism, and they did it for us the generation to come.

              Are we so selfish that we can’t do the same?

              • Kotahi Tane Huna

                You are about forty years too late to this party, Jenny. Abusing your fellow attendees may seem like a swell idea to you, but actually it’s just tiresome.

              • Jenny

                You have to shake the voting middle class, those households with an income of over $80K pa, out of their high consumption entitlement mentality.

                Colonial Viper

                Again with the cloth cap class hatred for the middle classes. I have asked you before and you still refuse to reply. If this section of the population is as self centred as you claim, how do you explain political campaigns like the anti apartheid movement or the anti nuclear movement or the peace movement generally, all political movements dominated by middle class people.

                I might also mention that in times of national crisis this is the class that is the first to voluntarily enlist.

                • Carol

                  CV was talking about the voting middleclass.

                  He’s probably over-generalising. However, I think there are a significant number of middleclass voters who are primarily focused on their comfortable consumer lifestyles. Their vote for the status quo probably makes a big impact on the outcome of elections.

                  The people who get out on the streets to protest are a minority of that class. The protest movements you mention, Jenny, while being important calls for change, are not the ones most likely to threaten a comfortable middleclass lifestyle.

                  • Jenny

                    CV was talking about the voting middleclass.

                    Carol

                    Thanks for that Carol. You are right I had overlooked that small qualification.

                    CV is right, in that the middle classes, generally, do tend to vote conservatively, mainly for economic reasons, identifying with those who support small business, less taxation, lighter regulation, cracking down on crime, harsher treatment of benificiaries, rewarding success etc. etc.

                    But on social issues, causes like the environment, schedule 4, anti racism, anti nuclear, these are perceived rightly or wrongly by many working class people like CV as middle class issues.

                    Being better read, with more access to education and information than that generally available to factory hands, road workers, farm labourers, truck drivers etc. As well as this, the middle are usually better paid, work less hours, giving them more time to consider the bigger issues. Working people on the other hand have less time, working generally longer hours and taking less holidays, just to pay the rent and buy groceries. Working people generally have less resources and less time than the middle classes to consider the bigger issues which usually take a back seat to just surviving.

                    If Greens ever did have the courage of their convictions and started raising the issue of climate change they would probably garner quite a lot of middle class support.

                    Unfortunately that has not happened yet. In the last election New Zealand’s environmental party, the Green Party, deliberately decided to avoid raising the issue of climate change. Neglecting the middle class vote to concentrate more on courting the working class vote, previously targeted by the Alliance Party and?or Labour. When asked, why they hadn’t raised climate change as an electoral issue the main reasons given by Green Party supporters are as follows:

                    “It would cost us votes”

                    “We don’t want to be seen as to radical”

                    So while our environmental party morphs into something else, climate change goes unaddressed in the electoral forum. Which is a shame, because if the bigger party politicians were ever challenged openly on the hustings on climate change most would be seen to be sadly lacking.

                    • Jenny

                      Also, what CV’s comment ignores, is the role of leadership. Without any leadership calling for serious reduction in Green House Gas emissions how can anyone of any class respond?

                    • Jenny

                      Leadership is important. In war it can mean the difference between defeat and victory. It can see smaller forces overcoming more numerous and better equipted ones.

                      At present humanity is in an existential war over changing climate, AND WE ARE LOSING

                      Mainly because we have not yet begun to fight.

                      Colonial Viper tries to scapegoat the middle classes as being unwilling to make sacrifices for the general good as the cause, of why humanity as a whole is not addressing this issue. But CV’s claims are not base on fact, and are not supported by this class’s history, especially in this country.

                      We should avoid unsubstantiated scapegoating and look to what I identify as the prime cause for inaction on climate change. LACK OF LEADERSHIP from any of the political parties in parliament.

                      The causes are varied depending on the political party, the Greens don’t want to be seen as to radical. Labour is afraid to challenge the powerful oil and coal companies. And National is the party wedded to these interests.

                      Though all these three mainstream parties agree that the threat is real and that something should be done it.

                      This is why I often mention the example of Churchill, a back bench MP voted into parliament after standing as an independent member of no major party regaining the seat he lost as part of the Liberal Party.

                      Despite being a backbencher and an outsider belonging to no major party he wouldn’t shut up about the danger of the Nazi threat.

                      This was what is called giving a lead, or leadership.

                      From a minority position of one. Churchill by continually and tirelessly debating and challenging his fellow MPs on this issue, exposed all the other leaders as wanting on this issue. Eventually from his minority position without any acceptable moral counter from his opponents winning over the whole of parliament to his point of view and was promoted to the Prime Ministership of the Conservative led parliament.

                      This is the sort of leadership we need in parliament now.

        • Psycho Milt 4.2.1.3

          Maybe as well as giving a critique it would be good to see your solution.

          My solution to what? The existence of animal life on this planet isn’t a problem in need of a solution.

          • Jenny 4.2.1.3.1

            Your solution to climate change.

            • Kotahi Tane Huna 4.2.1.3.1.1

              If destructive weather and peak oil don’t mitigate it nothing else will.

              • Colonial Viper

                The Great Recession will do it.

                • Kotahi Tane Huna

                  No, it won’t. There are still considerable amounts of oil that can be got at and burned, and the likelihood is that we’re going to do exactly that, sooner or later. A downturn in the economy means there is still economic activity going on, just at a lower level – so emissions fall a few percent – not enough. Once we’ve torched all the oil, the real question is: what are we going to do with the coal?

    • higherstandard 4.3

      Any idea what converting NZ from a dairy exporter to a soy exporter would do to our export revenues ?

      • Carol 4.3.1

        Does it need to be just soy? As I understand it, there are several kinds of beans that can be a good source of protein in a meat-free, or low-meat diet?

        http://vegetarian.about.com/od/healthnutrition/tp/protein.htm

        • higherstandard 4.3.1.1

          Any idea what converting NZ from a dairy exporter to a soy exporter (or the several other kinds of beans) would do to our export revenues ?

        • Populuxe1 4.3.1.2

          Yes, but unless somebody wants to buy your beans in the first place there’s precious little incentive to grow them.

          • Jenny 4.3.1.2.1

            Pop, there is a huge demand for soy and soy products is in global market. For which, to meet that demand, vast tracts of virgin rain forest have been sacrificed. Particularly in Latin America.

            Far better to grow it here. And on land better suited for it, land that traditionally has been used for cropping since the settler days.

            • belladonna 4.3.1.2.1.1

              I quite agree with Jenny regarding soy beans. There is a huge market out there. In many other countries in the world people are turning away from eating meat. If you are serious about cutting emissions from cows then stop eating meat then you will go a way to decreasing the 18% of emissions that currently come from cows. You will stop the deliberate cruelty to animals and improve your own and your families health as well.

      • Jenny 4.3.2

        No idea. But I believe the costs of not addressing climate change have been estimated in the $trillions, not even mentioning the cost to the human and natural environment.

        • higherstandard 4.3.2.1

          But you are aware, no doubt, that if we converted our entire dairy herd to something such as soy it would have zero impact on climate change/global warming I take it ?

          • Jenny 4.3.2.1.1

            Extraordinary claims, need extraordinary proof.

            I think you need a citation here H.S.

            • Jenny 4.3.2.1.1.1

              ……Or at the very least some facts, or reasoning to back up your claim.

                • Jenny

                  Ah yes. The ol’ oft repeated excuse that because New Zealand is only responsible for 0.2% of global emissions, we should do nothing.

                  Which is the Fed’s main argument for doing nothing.

                  And it’s true. If New Zealand stopped all green house gas emissions tomorrow it would have negligible beneficial effect on the world’s natural climate.

                  But on the world’s global political climate the affect would be far reaching, if not electrifying. If we can do it, the populations of other first world countries would be demanding that their countries do it too. ‘New Zealand’ would become a template for how a modern industrial state switched to a sustainable carbon neutral industrial economy.

                  Like votes for women, or the welfare state, or even Rogernomics, which all started here first, then swept the world.

                  This is what Sir Peter Gluckman the government’s top science adviser has to say:

                  “The collective wisdom of the scientific community is that action is needed now.”

                  Sir Peter Gluckman Chief Science adviser to the Prime Minister.

                  http://www.pmcsa.org.nz/climate-change/

                  The country’s top science adviser goes on to say:

                  “New Zealand is a small emitter by world standards – only emitting some 0.2% of global green house gases. So anything we do as a nation will have little impact on the climate – our impact will be symbolic, moral, and political”

                  Sir Peter Gluckman Chief Science adviser to the Prime Minister.

                  In effect H.S. you are living in the country that could do the most.

                  So you will have to do a lot better than drop a couple of stale links, to put your case for doing nothing to oppose climate change.

                  • higherstandard

                    Jenny your idealism would come at a not insignificant cost to the country, and despite your wish that NZ crucifying it’s dairying would have an electrifying effect on the rest of the world it’s more likely to do nothing more than stuff us even more financially while the rest of the world continues on its own merry way.

                    Better that we effect change where we can in a economically and environmentally sustainable manner, such as through the work of those in such places as Agresearch who will no doubt come up with solutions to decrease the methane production per cow.

  5. Kotahi Tane Huna 5

    Sorry to be the bringer of uncertainty, but I wish people would not quote figures such as “30% more dangerous to the climate” in these discussions. They simply have no meaning. Methane is a more powerful GHG than CO2 but decays completely after about 10 years.

    60-75% of the measured CH4 anomaly has been calculated to come from wetlands, and of what is left, there is an increasing body of evidence that points to under-reporting of emissions from the natural gas extraction industry.

    Where this leaves farmers and the ETS I’m not sure. On the one hand I am inclined to the view that the National Party is simply flicking more corporate welfare to bludging farmers, but on the other, well, the farmers can point to the skewed attribution figures and cry foul.

    Certainly polluters must pay, but which ones? Is anyone seriously suggesting that we believe TAG Oil, for example, when they tell us their “fugitive emission” levels and ask us to trust their accuracy?

    The CH4 level in the atmosphere was flat from the late ’70’s to the late ’90’s. During the same period dairy production increased about 44%. Food for thought.

    • Jenny 5.1

      Tane, You are absolutely correct about the short life of methane in the atmosphere, as you say only ten years, where CO2 can persist for centuries.

      This points out it’s significance in halting global warming. The effects of methane though only short term are very powerful. It has been postulated that drastically reducing methane pollution will counter the growing CO2 footprint. Giving humanity a breathing space in which to address the more intractable problem of CO2 emissions.

      For instance, British figures I have read have calculated that if all their landfills, which are a major producer of methane emissions, were eliminated, this would counter all that country’s CO2 emissions.

      • Kotahi Tane Huna 5.1.1

        That may well be so, but given that ‘fracking’ has been “given the green light” – as The Guardian puts it – to go ahead across the UK, it hardly seems likely – especially since NOAA and Howarth/Ingraffea demonstrated last year that CH4 extraction is producing more emissions than the industry is reporting.

        David Archer’s essay “An Arctic methane worst-case scenario” adds some context here I think.

        …the methane worst case does not suddenly spell the extinction of human life on Earth. It does not lead to a runaway greenhouse. The worst-case methane scenario stands comparable to what CO2 can do.

        That isn’t an argument to do nothing – far from it – but it could easily help drive a wedge between farmers and the resource extraction industry, one which could only make life difficult for the National Party. If farmers are being unfairly taxed because of the gas industry’s lies…

      • davidw 5.1.2

        “…where CO2 can persist for centuries.” or until a plant sucks it up as a nutrient and converts it to cellulose whichever comes first.

        V interesting this labelling of naturally occurring compounds as “GHG” as if the science is settled and somehow this stuff is nasty. The term was coined to describe the postulate some gasses will trap the sun’s energy inside earth’s atmosphere and cause a temperature increase. That postulate has subsequently not been supported by reality with the result that even those jetting around the world attending conferences have backed off and it is now “climate change” as a bet each way on disaster prediction.

        Accordingly, the term GHG does not describe the current trend in disaster prediction and is just so out of date darling.

        But then there are no theories that describe “climate change gasses” either so the average punter is getting more confused by the day. One thing is for sure though, the climate change disaster prediction industry is losing credibility with every day that passes.

        • Kotahi Tane Huna 5.1.2.1

          davidw you don’t actually understand the science at all do you? Do you think the annual uptake and release of CO2 from biological sources is news to anyone? It stands out like a dog’s balls in the annual rise and fall in atmospheric levels, and it’s your trump card? lol someone has been trying to make a fool of you, and it’s working.

          Do you know what a dipole is? Do you know what a dipole does when it moves through an electromagnetic field? What is the physical and electrical structure of a CO2 molecule? Answer these questions? You couldn’t “postulate” your way out of a paper bag.

          • davidw 5.1.2.1.1

            No Kotahi, no trump card, just an observation that the language is changing faster than the arguments which has to tell you something if you could get your head out of your arse for a minute or two and look around. (not normally one for ad homs but give and take I say).

            Frankly mate, the science has not been of great assistance as all the models, mathematics, dipoles, Higgs Bosons, tree rings and ice cores have yet to be fitted into a model that actually generates some verifiable predictions. So until they do and the disaster predictors can stop lieijng through their teeth there will be no credibility in the argument.

            So, as I say – stand back and have a long look at the progression of the argument, the shifting ground of the doomsayers and their fast-diminishing credibility before you stuff your foot back into your mouth.

            • Kotahi Tane Huna 5.1.2.1.1.1

              “Verifiable predictions” – you don’t actually know what the science says do you? How about the observed polar amplification that was predicted in 1896? Or the correct predictions (1896 again) that winter would warm more than summer, nights more than days, and the Arctic more than the Antarctic?

              Like I said, you can’t postulate your way out of a paper bag, and seem profoundly ignorant. Don’t be upset, ignorance is a condition we all share. Found out what a dipole is yet? Or why it’s relevant to GHGs?

              Sorry about the ad hom but if you’re going to make a fool of yourself I’m going to ridicule you.

            • Colonial Viper 5.1.2.1.1.2

              Hey davidw, GHGs are not “nasty” as they prevent the surface of the earth from being -25 deg C on average.

              • Kotahi Tane Huna

                L(1-α) = εσT^4 ;)

                Where L = solar luminosity
                α = albedo
                ε = emissivity and
                σ = Stefan-Boltzmann constant.

                • Colonial Viper

                  Thanks for the reminder, but I’ve definitely got no problems with my albedo haha

      • Robert Atack 5.1.3

        Afewknowthetruth: will no all about CO2 v methane, I think methane converts to CO2, then hangs around for 1,000 years?

  6. G 6

    Do you guys all know something I don’t? Apart from using products like Eco N and reducing cow numbers, as far as I’m aware there is little that can be done to reduce methan emissions.

    • Jenny 6.1

      Practical ways of reducing cow numbers and dairy related pollution is what we’re discussing.

    • prism 6.2

      Work is going on by scientists, who are important people Mr Jokey Hen, to identify and change the particular part of grass that results in high methane levels in our cows. I heard something about it a while ago.

      Probably when listening to the farmers/rural program on Radio nz and there are two – one morning about 6.20 a.m.and one at midday aabout 12.30 pm. Plus other feature items examining in depth. So that’s a good way to keep up with what is a vital part of NZs income and climate change pollution trigger.

      • higherstandard 6.2.1

        So will that be an acceptable piece of genetic engineering to those currently decrying the diary herds methane production ?

        • prism 6.2.1.1

          HS There is and has been genetic engineering going on for yonks in breeding as plants and animals are cross-bred to get better features. You’re clever hs and you know that. So stop trying to bring up silly questions to get answers that you can put idle questions to because the weather isn’t right to do your garden or some useful occupation you could fill in your time with.

          The sort of genetic engineering people are scared of, is the sort that changes the nature of one species by mixing it with another, or encourages excessive weedkill spray or affects bees collecting pollen or grows super weeds that have resistance to weedkill spray or introduces rogue pollen that has been trade-marked into ‘pure’ crops by wind like catching PSA, or has terminator genes so that seed that used to be viable for further seasons can’t be used again.

    • mike e 6.3

      G Increasing efficiency on Dairy farms would be very easy as most dairy farms are very poorly managed

  7. prism 7

    I listen often to what farmers are saying and it is not my perception that the hot air they emit has reduced, rather the opposite.

  8. Steve Withers 8

    It isn’t really a surprise that the Farmer Party doesn’t understand why farmers should pay the true cost of their business.

    The farmer coup at ECAN a couple of years back is a good example of how farmers’ political wing handle shared resources.

    They just take them.

    • Kotahi Tane Huna 8.1

      “…the true cost…”

      Again, what is that exactly? Certainly the National Party embodies the ethical corruption you describe. but so does the resource extraction industry, and in this particular context, “Big Oil” not to mention Bride of Big Oil – aka gas drilling.

      The farmers are being blamed for a particular percentage of the increase in global CH4 emissions, but this all started with Reagan and “cow-farts” – I’m still not convinced that it’s anything other than spin.

      However, while the science says the farmers must pay, then pay they must. And get ready to sue the living fuck out of anyone who turns out to have been lying about their “fugitive emissions”.

  9. Viv 9

    Dairy farm emissions are about more than just methane from cows. Milk tankers visit dairy farms once or twice every day, that’s millions of kilometres travelled by large heavy trucks- where do those emissions get counted?
    Milk is processed (dried) an energy intensive process and then shipped overseas to be used in processed foods. CO2 emissions occur when we export food and they occur when we import it. Surely it would make more sense for NZ farmers to grow as much of NZ’s food as possible, using some of the irrigation infrastructure to grow crops, and to only import what we can’t grow here.

    • Jenny 9.1

      In fact I believe that the dairy industry is the country’s number one consumer of coal* used in boilers to generate the steam needed for the pasturisation of milk and the drying of milk powder as well as cleaning out all the stainless steel pipe work and heating all the cleaning water needed for cleaning down all the floors and work surfaces.

      *Huntly power station being number 2, and Glenbrook Steel mill number 3.

    • Kotahi Tane Huna 9.2

      The existing energy economy – based as it is on fossil fuels – is not the fault of the dairy farmer – or anyone else for that matter – it’s been a boon to humanity and the low-cost energy it has provided is part of the reason we understand it at all.

      It’s time to let go. Voluntarily or because the wind just ripped your arms off?

  10. Afewknowthetruth 10

    Given that the ETS doesn’t do what it was supposed to do

    ETS is doing exactly what is was designed to do. It is a financial scam which is designed to allow the international financiers to make short term profits whilst failing to address the core issue -out of control carbon dioxide emissions. (Can’t talk about them, with the entire economic system totally dependent on continued use of fossil fuels).

    Metahne is not the problem at all -well not yet. Methane is rapidly oxidised [in geological terms] in the atmosphere to carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide, on the other hand, is building up at a stupendous rate, both in the atmosphere and in the oceans.. Of course, if we put enough carbon dioxide into the atmosphere we will trigger positive feedbacks involving semi-sequestered methane -billions of tonnes of it, thereby triggering very abrupt climate change, as explained in:

    http://www.publishme.co.nz/shop/theeasyway-p-684.html

    The whole discussion is fatuous, and is yet another example of failure the present culture to address any of the important issues.

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  • Letter to the Editor – Key makes up any old sh*t, again
    . . From a Fairfax story on 13 September, about visiting investigative journalist, Glenn Greenwald, .   . It was time to take Key to task on his lying BS… . from: Frank Macskasy <fmacskasy@gmail.com> to: Dominion Post <letters@dompost.co.nz> date:...
    Frankly Speaking | 15-09
  • The costs and trade-offs of free public transport in Auckland
    One perennial discussion in transport circles is whether we shouldn’t just do away with public transport fares completely and make the whole network free of charge. Why not fully subsidise the network as a public service using public monies as...
    Transport Blog | 15-09
  • OnPoint: “Project SPEARGUN underway”
    Let's get this out of the way: The Warner Bros email was a complete clusterfuck. Faced with claims that the emails were fake, TeamDotcom did a TeamKey - they got Hone to send it off to the Privileges Committee then...
    Public Address | 15-09
  • Spies, education, finances, a star and a forecast
    John Key pulled the election date forward. He said it was to avoid clashes with likely global leaders’ visits after the G20 meeting in Australia in November. But clouds were looming too. One was John Banks’ conviction, widely expected. By...
    Colin James | 15-09
  • This government should (but probably won’t) be over
    The revelations last night (and leaked during the day) SHOULD end this government. In brief: 1) Even if Key is telling the truth (which is pretty far-fetched and increasingly unlikely given Snowden’s evidence), they still got a plan underway for illegal...
    Cut your hair | 15-09
  • The Moment of Truth #2 – Humpty Dumpty words
    Words matter, never so much in New Zealand politics as they do right now. Remember Humpty Dumpty in Through the Looking Glass?'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose...
    Pundit | 15-09
  • The Moment of Truth #1
    Sitting in the Auckland Town Hall tonight – both in the hall meeting and the press conference after – two old sayings kept passing through my mind: "it's all about the timing" and "the devil's in the details". Both truisms...
    Pundit | 15-09
  • The meaning of John Key (reprise)
    I wrote the following essay on John Key and the politics of amnesia three years ago, in the lead-up to the last election. In preparation for writing it, I attempted to read, watch or listen to every one of Key’s...
    Bat bean beam | 15-09
  • But what is truth – if you follow me?
    There were some major revelations in the Internet Party’s ‘Moment of Truth’ event tonight, mostly from Glen Greenwald and Edward Snowden. But what there wasn’t was any reference to Kim Dotcom’s bombshell ‘proving’ that the Prime Minister had lied about...
    DimPost | 15-09
  • But what is truth – if you follow me?
    There were some major revelations in the Internet Party’s ‘Moment of Truth’ event tonight, mostly from Glen Greenwald and Edward Snowden. But what there wasn’t was any reference to Kim Dotcom’s bombshell ‘proving’ that the Prime Minister had lied about...
    DimPost | 15-09
  • The Māori seats
    One of the pecularities of MMP is that because of the proportional representation provided by the party vote, there is virtually no electoral benefit to winning electorate seats (there are other political benefits, which I’ve touched on previously). So even...
    Progress report | 15-09
  • The 97% v the 3% – just how much global warming are humans causing?
    A pair of climate scientists recently had a dispute regarding how much global warming humans are responsible for. Gavin Schmidt from Nasa represented the consensus of 96–97% of climate experts in arguing that humans have been the dominant cause of...
    Skeptical Science | 15-09
  • The other option for the left
    While everyone was rightly paying attention to the Key / Dotcom / GCSB revelations today, Winston Peters made a modest proposal: another Labour-NZ First coalition:New Zealand First leader Winston Peters said today that voters should consider a Labour-New Zealand First...
    No Right Turn | 15-09
  • F for fake?
    An old rule of forgery – which I just invented – is that a fake is a collection of cliches bundled together to produce a work and an original is a collection of idiosyncrasies bundled together to produce same. Take the Judith...
    DimPost | 15-09
  • F for fake?
    An old rule of forgery – which I just invented – is that a fake is a collection of cliches bundled together to produce a work and an original is a collection of idiosyncrasies bundled together to produce same. Take the Judith...
    DimPost | 15-09
  • The GCSB is tapping all our traffic
    This morning, John Key categorically denied that the GCSB had tapped the Southern Cross Cable. But according to an article by Gleen Greenwald just published in The Intercept, he lied about that too:Top secret documents provided by the whistleblower demonstrate...
    No Right Turn | 15-09
  • Photo of the Day: Wellington Waterfront
    A fantastic Harbour in a vigourous climate and out of reach for people for many years, but now a really great series of different toned places. Urban and wild; industrial and recreational; gastronomic and cultural; contemporary and faithful to its past. A very...
    Transport Blog | 15-09
  • Complicit, Compliant and Corrupt
    The big issue with what is being revealed by Kim Dotcom and Glenn Greenwald is not so much that metadata is being accessed from ordinary New Zealanders (although this is bad enough) but the lack of reassurance that the very person who...
    Local Bodies | 15-09
  • Dirty dairying inspires a common-sense approach from the politicians
    I have said in the past that for the Green Party to broaden their appeal, they would need to engage with the real economy, including a better appreciation of the importance dairy farming to the New Zealand economy. With their...
    Pundit | 15-09
  • John Key On Trial
    The latest instalment in the saga of John Key’s struggle to maintain his image as someone above suspicion has produced the amazing spectacle of a Prime Minister in free fall. Faced with the threatened revelation that he has been –...
    Bryan Gould | 15-09
  • Muddying the nation’s waterways
    Following the success of the Dirty Dairying campaign, and the electioneering around the Dirty Politics book, it could be time for a Murky Water investigation – to shed some light, achieve some clarity and generally uncover some facts....
    Pundit | 15-09
  • The left returns in Sweden
    Swedes went to the polls yesterday to elect a new Parliament - and returned the left to power after eight years of right-wing government. The reason? The right's assault on social democracy was a betrayal of Swedish values:Many Swedes are...
    No Right Turn | 15-09
  • He’s just one of those people born in the wrong time
    I didn't ever "know" Peter Gutteridge. ...
    Pundit | 15-09
  • Time this comprehensive timeline for John Key & Kim Dot Com got another...
    Time this comprehensive timeline for John Key & Kim Dot Com got another public airing.   the_john_key-kim_dotcom_timeline_1 (Thanks NZ First)...
    Politically Corrected | 15-09
  • Alleged Exposed Email Should Result in John Key’s Immediate Resignation!
                  This alleged email, which is alleged to be true, shows John Key specifically went out of his way to ensure Dotcom could come to NZ, so he could then be raided and investigated for Piracy, and...
    An average kiwi | 15-09
  • Dishonest Prime Minister John Key Calls Glenn Greenwald a “Loser” for T...
    It seems the NZ Prime Minister, John Key, nicknamed Pinocchio for all the lies he has told the NZ Public, is upset that top Pulitzer Prize winning US Journalist Glenn Greenwald is threatening to expose some of his most secret...
    An average kiwi | 15-09
  • Key lied about knowing Dotcom
    Back in 2012, John Key told us he had never heard of Kim Dotcom until the day before the infamous raid.He lied about that too:The email being relied on by Dotcom is dated October 27, 2010 and is purported to...
    No Right Turn | 15-09
  • Crude dredging of the scientific literature
    I am always amazed at how some people will crudely misrepresent the scientific literature in their efforts to pretend their particular political agenda is scientifically valid. The way they will dredge the scientific literature searching for studies they can quote and...
    Open Parachute | 15-09
  • Out in space, no one can hear you scream
    From the sidelines of relevance, ACT has been screaming and waving its hand in a desperate bid to be noticed. The bold (some may use less charitable descriptive language) policies have been coming thick and fast recently – abolishing the...
    Occasionally erudite | 15-09
  • New Fisk
    Ian Paisley’s decision to make peace with his IRA enemies might have reminded the Arabs of Sadat...
    No Right Turn | 15-09
  • Key lies to us again
    When Gleen Greenwald spoke on Saturday morning and accused the GCSB of engaging in mass-surveillance, John Key was absolutely unequivocal: it didn't happen. His spies had apparently looked into a mass surveillance program, but it had never been implemented.Now he's...
    No Right Turn | 15-09
  • Double Trouble.
    Glenn Greenwald’s arrival in NZ has reignited controversy over who, exactly, the GCSB spies on, how it does so, and for whom it does so. Tonight he will outline what he has gleaned from the Snowden leaks, and I have...
    Kiwipolitico | 15-09
  • Is Winnie really putting New Zealanders First?
    Over the weekend income politicians were falling over themselves to agree that poor people in this country have it tough and that their policies are the answer. Winston Peters ‘common sense’ response is to take GST off food and rates....
    Gareth’s World | 15-09
  • Where is the Heart? Critical Public Space in the City Centre
    Ever since the Town Hall was built on that odd triangle between converging streets half way up Queen St Auckland has failed to successfully find an important central location that can be considered its spiritual locus. A civic heart: A public...
    Transport Blog | 15-09
  • Just vote!
    Our democracy is precious, so vote! It doesn't matter who you vote for, so long as you have your say. That's what democracy is all about. Unless you're a National Party supporter, in which case don't bother. It's futile....
    Imperator Fish | 14-09
  • Workers despair at Nationals lack of fairness
    “Nationals Workplaces policy, released today, fails to articulate any vison about how life for working New Zealanders can be improved.” CTU President Helen Kelly said....
    CTU | 14-09
  • Privileges Complaint Laid against Prime Minister – Harawira
    MANA Movement Leader and Te Tai Tokerau MP Hone Harawira has today lodged a Privileges Complaint with the Speaker regarding the Prime Ministers denials in parliament that he knew anything about Kim Dotcom before 2012. “Information made public today appears...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Sharples’ new appointments are out of order
    The new appointments to the Waitangi Tribunal announced by Dr Pita Sharples this morning are completely out of order given the election is just five days away, says Labour's State Services spokesperson, Maryan Street. “This Government continues to show disdain...
    Labour | 15-09
  • MANA Movement Housing Policy
    “When families are living in cars, garages, cockroach-infested caravans and three families to a house then we have a housing crisis”, said MANA leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Hone Harawira. “When you have a housing crisis for low-income...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Bigger than the Foreshore and Seabed – Sykes
    “Over the past week I have received some disturbing information that has led myself and a number of Maori lawyers to conclude that this National - Maori Party - ACT and United Future Government are going to put an end to both...
    Mana | 14-09
  • MANA wants Te Reo Māori petition fulfilled
    Hone Harawira, MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Annette Sykes, MANA candidate for Waiariki Te Hāmua Nikora, MANA candidate for Ikaroa Rāwhiti  “More than four decades have passed and the petition calling for Te Reo Māori in schools...
    Mana | 14-09
  • Primary focus on the critical issues
    A Labour Government will prioritise New Zealand’s agricultural sectors by recreating a Rural Affairs Minister and appointing a Primary Industry Council and a Chief Agricultural Adviser. Releasing Labour’s Primary Sector and Rural Affairs policies today, spokesperson Damien O’Connor says the...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Maori Television fears confirmed – Harawira
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    Mana | 12-09
  • More ghost houses from National
    The Government’s desperate pre-election announcement of more ghost houses won’t fool Aucklanders wanting action on the housing crisis, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “These are ghost houses, to go with National’s ghost tax cut. Families cannot live in ghost...
    Labour | 12-09
  • National bows to union pressure over travel time
    National has reluctantly bowed to pressure from unions and adopted Labour’s fair and sensible policy to pay home support workers for the time they spend traveling between clients, Labour’s Associate Health spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. “This decision is long overdue...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Predators on Poverty – Harawira
    “As poverty has ballooned out of control, the Predators on Poverty have emerged to suck the lifeblood from whole families and communities” said MANA Movement leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira. “They are deliberately targeting low-income areas, particularly those...
    Mana | 11-09
  • MANA Movement Policy Launch
    Predators on Poverty (pokie machines, alcohol outlets and loan sharks) 1pm, Thursday 11th September Corner Great South Road and Criterion Street Otahuhu Shopping Centre...
    Mana | 10-09
  • Eliminating Poverty – Sir Edmund Hillary Collegiate, Otara | Internet MAN...
    A campaign to Eliminate Poverty, Feed the Kids, build more houses, and create thousands of new jobs, was outlined by Internet MANA at a public meeting in Otara this evening. When MANA and the Internet Party first sat down to...
    Mana | 09-09
  • Housing in Waiariki – Sykes
    Fact:  Under this National-Maori Party-ACT-United Future Government 61% of Maori in Waiariki do not own their own home and nearly 70% of Maori rentals in Waiariki pay $200 or more per week. “Maori in Waiariki have low rates of home ownership...
    Mana | 09-09
  • Charter school crisis shows time to axe costly experiment
    Dysfunction from day one at a Northland charter school shows it is time to dump this costly and failed experiment by the National-ACT Government, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Te Kura Hourua ki Whangaruru received $27,000 in government funding...
    Labour | 08-09
  • Labour will crack down on loan sharks
    A Labour Government will crack down on predatory loan sharks by making it illegal both to charge exorbitant interest rates and to exploit uninformed borrowers, Labour’s Consumer Affairs Spokesperson Carol Beaumont says. Labour today released its Consumer Affairs policy which...
    Labour | 08-09
  • Let’s do the FEED before the weed
    “Last week I put out a very strongly worded email to my colleagues about an online promotion about cannabis law reform” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira “and I stand by that criticism today.” My concern was...
    Mana | 08-09
  • TE KAEA and NATIVE AFFAIRS live to fight another day
    “I understand that both the chair of the Board of Maori Television, Georgina Te Heuheu, and new CEO, Paora Maxwell, are now saying that my comments this morning about their plans to cut Te Kaea and Native Affairs, were wrong, and that...
    Mana | 08-09
  • How come the PM only pays 2.8% of his income in tax – Harawira
    “Before John Key talks about the piddling tax cuts he plans for low and middle income families today he needs to explain why he only pays 2.8% of his income on tax while a minimum wage worker pays 28% tax,”...
    Mana | 07-09
  • THE DEATH OF INDEPENDENCE FOR MAORI TV
    “If what I’m hearing is true, tomorrow Maori Television Service (MTS) will dump its news programme, Te Kaea, and staff will lose their jobs” said MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Hone Harawira “and the Minister of Maori...
    Mana | 07-09
  • Labour recommits to Pike River families
    An incoming Labour-led government will do everything possible to recover the bodies of the Pike River Miners and return them to their families, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “This tragedy and its aftermath has left the families of the 29...
    Labour | 06-09
  • Voting has started and still no tax plan or fiscal budget for voters to see
    "Even though voting for the election has already begun, National still refuses to provide any details of its proposed tax cuts. And Bill English admitted this morning that he won’t provide any specifics until after the election", Labour’s Finance spokesperson...
    Labour | 06-09
  • National’s partners’ tax plans cost at least $42 billion
    If National forms the next government its partners’ tax plans will cost the country at least $42 billion, and maybe as much as $50 billion, wreaking havoc with the books, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker. “National claims to be...
    Labour | 05-09
  • Labour: Providing more opportunities for young Kiwis
    A Labour Government will ensure every young Kiwi under the age of 20 is given the opportunity to be in work, education or training, and plans to develop a conservation apprenticeship scheme to help do that, Labour’s Youth Affairs spokesperson...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Candles out on teachers’ slice of birthday cake
    Today may be Novopay’s second birthday, but there’s little to celebrate, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Novopay has cost the taxpayer tens of millions of dollars already, and the cost is still climbing....
    Labour | 04-09
  • National’s blatant broadband pork barrelling misses the mark by a country...
    National’s blatant pork-barrelling ICT announcement today should reinforce a growing sceptical electorate’s view that they are all about the gift wrap and not the present, Labour’s ICT spokesperson Clare Curran says. “Instead of addressing the real issues - the woeful...
    Labour | 04-09
  • More evidence of the need to clean up the system
    The latest release of emails and messages between disgraced Minister Judith Collins and blogger Cameron Slater are more evidence of the urgent need to clean up politics, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. "This new evidence confirms a near constant flow...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Labour commits to stable funding for voluntary sector
    A Labour Government will establish long-term funding and streamline contract accountability for community and voluntary groups, says Labour’s spokesperson for the sector Louisa Wall. Announcing Labour’s policy for the community and voluntary sector, she said this would give much greater...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Better trained and skilled workforce under Labour
    Labour is committed to a skilled workforce that benefits businesses as well as their workers, and will increase workplace training to improve productivity and drive innovation, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Labour believes the Government should support New Zealanders into...
    Labour | 03-09
  • Labour will make renting a better option
    Labour will provide greater security of tenure for renters, and build more state and social housing, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour believes every kid deserves a decent start in life. That means a warm, dry and secure home....
    Labour | 03-09
  • At least 15 new taxes under National
    John Key is the last person to talk about creating taxes, presiding over a Government that has imposed at least 15 new taxes, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “John Key tried a novel line in the debate last night claiming...
    Labour | 03-09
  • Labour will strengthen New Zealand’s democracy
    A Labour Government will act quickly to protect and enhance New Zealand’s reputation as one of the most open and least corrupt countries in the world, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “The health of any democracy is improved by greater...
    Labour | 02-09
  • MANA Movement says tax cut on GST must be first priority – Minto
    “If Prime Minister John Key has money available for tax cuts then cutting GST must be the first priority”,  said MANA Movement Economic Justice Spokesperson John Minto. GST is a nasty tax on low-income families”, said Minto. “People in the...
    Mana | 02-09
  • The Maori Party’s Mana-Enhancing Relationship with National – Minto
    “First we had Cameron Slater and David Farrar backing Labour’s Kelvin Davis bid to unseat MANA Movement Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Hone Harawira.  Now we have Slater writing a pro-Te Ururoa Flavell article on his website, Whale...
    Mana | 02-09
  • There’s Only One Poll That Counts
    “One of the oldest sayings in politics is that there is only one poll that counts – the one on Election Day – and that’s the one that I am focusing on” remarked the MANA Movement candidate for Waiariki, Annette...
    Mana | 02-09
  • Local communities critical to Civil Defence
    Labour will focus on empowering New Zealand communities to be resilient in Civil Defence disasters, says Labour’s Civil Defence spokesperson Clare Curran. Announcing Labour’s Civil Defence policy, she says that Labour will work with schools, voluntary agencies and community groups...
    Labour | 02-09
  • Labour looks to long-life passports, gambling harm review
    A return to 10 year passports and a review of gambling laws are highlights of Labour’s Internal Affairs policy released today. “More than 15,000 New Zealanders signed a petition calling on the Government to revert to the 10 year system...
    Labour | 02-09
  • MANA Movement Leadership stands strong behind Internet MANA relationship
    “There is now, and always will be, a range of views about many issues within our movement and members are free to express them, but Georgina’s views on Kim Dotcom are not shared by the MANA Movement leadership or the vast majority...
    Mana | 01-09
  • Rebuilding the New Zealand Defence Force
    A Labour Government will make it a priority to rebuild the capacity of the Defence Force to carry out the tasks expected of it, says Labour’s Defence Spokesperson Phil Goff. Releasing Labour’s Defence Policy today he said the NZDF has...
    Labour | 01-09
  • Speech to Canterbury Chamber of Commerce
    Today I'm going to talk about our policy package to upgrade and grow our economy and how we turn that growth into a foundation for a decent and fair society. But first I want to address the issue of our...
    Labour | 01-09
  • Commission of Inquiry must have bipartisan support
    The Labour Party is drafting terms of reference for a Commission of Inquiry, Labour’s Shadow Attorney-General David Parker says. “It is abundantly clear there is a need for an independent Commission of Inquiry, chaired by a High Court Judge, into...
    Labour | 01-09
  • Rapid Transit to unclog Christchurch
    Labour will build a 21st century Rapid Transit system for Christchurch, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “The long delayed recovery of Christchurch hinges on a modern commuter system for the city. “We will invest $100 million in a modern rail plan...
    Labour | 31-08
  • Labour’s commitment to public broadcasting
    A Labour Government will set up a working group to re-establish a public service television station as part of our commitment to ensuring New Zealand has high quality free-to-air local content. “We will set up a working group to report...
    Labour | 31-08
  • A new deal for the conservation estate
    The health of our economy depends on New Zealand preserving and restoring our land, air, water and indigenous wildlife, says Labour’s Conservation spokesperson Ruth Dyson. Announcing Labours Conservation policy, she said that there will be a comprehensive plan to restore...
    Labour | 31-08
  • Labour’s plan to end homelessness
    Labour has a comprehensive approach to end homelessness starting with the provision of emergency housing for 1000 people each year and putting an end to slum conditions in boarding houses, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Labour believes that homelessness is not...
    Labour | 30-08
  • Labour: A smarter approach to justice
    A Labour Government will improve the justice system to ensure it achieves real public safety, provides equal access to justice and protects human rights, Labour’s Justice spokesperson Andrew Little says. “Our approach is about tackling the root causes of crime, recognising...
    Labour | 29-08
  • Labour to foster Kiwi love of sport and the great outdoors
    A Labour Government will promote physical activity, back our top athletes and help foster Kiwis’ love of the great outdoors by upgrading tramping and camping facilities. Trevor Mallard today released Labour’s sports and recreation policy which will bring back a...
    Labour | 29-08
  • Pacific languages recognised under Labour
    Labour will act to recognise the five main Pacific languages in New Zealand including through the education system, said Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. Announcing Labour’s Pacific Island policy he said that there must be a strong commitment to...
    Labour | 29-08
  • No healthy economy without a healthy environment
    Labour recognises that we cannot have a healthy economy without a healthy environment, says Environment spokesperson Moana Mackey announcing Labour’s environment policy. “New Zealand’s economy has been built on the back of the enormous environmental wealth we collectively enjoy as...
    Labour | 28-08
  • Better protection, fairer deal for Kiwi consumers
    Tackling excessive prices, ensuring consumers have enough information to make ethical choices and giving the Commerce Commission more teeth are highlights of Labour’s Consumer Rights policy. “The rising cost of living is a concern for thousands of Kiwi families. A...
    Labour | 28-08
  • Media Advisory – MANA Movement Candidate for Waiariki Annette Sykes, Waia...
    Media are advised that this coming weekend, the MANA Movement Candidate for Waiariki, Annette Sykes, will be on the Internet MANA Road Trip within the electorate of Waiariki. Speakers confirmed are Annette Sykes, Hone Harawira, John Minto, Laila Harre and Kim...
    Mana | 27-08
  • PM Key accused of allowing secret ‘spook’ cable sensors to spy on citiz...
    Pulitzer prize-winning journalist Glenn Greenwald (left) and Kim Dotcom at the “moment of truth” political surveillance meeting in Auckland last night. Image: PMW By ANNA MAJAVU of Pacific Media Watch NEW ZEALAND Prime Minister John Key has been accused of...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • Fiji pre-election ‘politics’ blackout stirs media protests, frustration
    BLACKOUT DAY – Monday, day one of the “silence window” in Fiji leading up to the close of polling in the general election at 6pm on Wednesday. And this is under the draconian threat of a $10,000 fine or five...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • “Now the work of movements begins”: government corruption, media bias, ...
    I am so tired of the dirty politics of the National government, aren’t you? I am tired of John Key and his pathetic attacks on award-winning journalists who have spent their careers fighting and digging for truth and good. The...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • Moment of Truth review, smoking guns and the awful coverage by the NZ msm
      There were queues unlike any the Town Hall has seen, 1000 were turned away once it became full…     …full to the rafters. The energy and atmosphere within the room was extraordinary, and it begun…   …Glenn Greenwald...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • Why Maori TV’s Te Tai Tokeraou Poll will be proved wrong
    If Hone Harawira had a dollar every time the media wrote off his chance of winning Te Tai Tokeraou, he would have more money than Kim Dotcom. Remember the by-election? Hone was 1 point ahead of Kelvin in an exact...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • September 15 RNZ interviews – and then the Moment of Truth
    . Acknowledgement: Emmerson . 15 September – Leading up to the Moment of Truth public meeting this evening, these Radio NZ interviews are worth listening to; . Alt link . Alt link . Alt link . Alt link . Alt...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • Live Stream: Moment of Truth Tonight 7pm
    Live Video Stream by eCast: The Daily Blog will Live Stream the Moment of Trust public meeting from 7pm. The meeting will feature Glenn Greenwald, Kim Dotcom, Robert Amsterdam, and a very special guest…...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • The proof Key lied about GCSB mass surveillance
    And we start getting to the evidence that proves Key has lied about mass surveillance. The article by Glenn Greenwald is out and it is beyond damning… Documents provided by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden show that the government worked in...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • A brief word on the Ede-Slater emails
    Every day I have rushed to read the paper to see if a breaking story on the Ede-Slater emails had broken yet. They haven’t. Day after day, where are these emails? We know Rawshark sent the emails to David Fisher...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • The email that proves Key is a liar
    This is the Email proving Key knew about Kim Dotcom before he claims he did… “We had a really good meeting with the Prime Minister. He’s a fan and we’re getting what we came for. Your groundwork in New Zealand...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • Henchmen
    Henchmen...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Why it simply isn’t credible that Key stepped in and shut down the mass s...
    Key’s staggering admission that yes there was a year long business model by the GCSB to mass spy on all of NZ but  that he stepped in and shut it down after Cabinet had signed it off just sounds like make...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • John Key’s love affair with a straw man
    Politicians like putting up straw men for the purpose of self-righteously knocking them over. Prime Minister John Key has a particular straw man he loves to punch over. He raises it whenever he’s asked about mass surveillance of New Zealanders...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • John Armstrong turns on Glenn Greenwald
    Where does a mediocre journalist like John Armstrong get off attacking a journalist with the credibility of Glenn Greenwald as he has in his ridiculous column today? Armstrong has the audacity to try and play the terrorism card to justify why...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Denis Tegg – Which of John Key’s many statements on the GC...
    We already have Glenn Greenwald’s assertion on The Nation that John Key has misled New Zealanders as to whether the GCSB has engaged in mass surveillance of Kiwis. But Key has made many other statements about the GCSB’s powers and...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Election 2014: Numbers and Faces
    Democratic politics is a game of numbers and faces. How can we translate the numbers into the 120 or more faces that will be in the next Parliament? Below is my prediction of a likely result: 120 people, divided by...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Scotland the brave
    The possibility that Scotland will vote for independence this Thursday has panicked the British establishment. An unholy alliance of Tory, Labour, Liberal and corporate leaders has resorted to fear-mongering and bullying on grand scale in a last ditch effort to...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Why Key’s denials sound so off and why Dotcom’s fight is all our fight
    The shrillness of Key is the issue. His denials just too forced and rehearsed. Key has gone from Hollow Man to Shallow Man with his lashing out at Pulitzer Price winning Journalist Glenn Greenwald by calling him a ‘henchman’. This...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Letters to the Editor – Spies, Lies, Five Eyes, and other matters on a S...
    . . Sharing a few thoughts and observations with newspaper editors around the country… . from: Frank Macskasy <fmacskasy@gmail.com>to: Sunday Star Times <letters@star-times.co.nz>date: Sun, Sep 14, 2014 subject: Letter to the Editor . The Editor Sunday Star Times . Our...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Letters to the Editor – Spies, Lies, Five Eyes, and other matters on a Su...
    . . Sharing a few thoughts and observations with newspaper editors around the country… . from: Frank Macskasy <fmacskasy@gmail.com>to: Sunday Star Times <letters@star-times.co.nz>date: Sun, Sep 14, 2014 subject: Letter to the Editor . The Editor Sunday Star Times . Our...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • As TDB predicted, Labour to use universal super fund to buy back assets and...
    Greens about to be snookered again?   As The Daily Blog has pointed out several times now, Labour will use a universal super fund to buy back NZs assets in a bid to offer Winston a legacy project… Labour plans...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • A lesson in caring for our most vulnerable
    Some of the comments on this article make me sick. Because I am so very much over people who think they are better than others because things have gone their way in life and think those who aren’t as functional...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – Please vote positive
    One of the features of campaigning is the meet-the-candidates event.  As an opportunity to present policies to the voter, they aren’t the best vehicle but still serve a useful purpose.  The problem is that there are too many candidates and...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • For this who don’t vote this election
    For this who don’t vote this election...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • Where does Key get off abusing a Pulitzer prize winning Journalist like Gle...
    We are seeing the Dirty Politics PM today when Key decided the best way to counter the Glenn Greenwald claims of GCSB mass surveillance was to denigrate Greenwald… Prime Minister John Key says he will prove Glenn Greenwald’s claims by the...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • Teflon Man No More
    . .   On 26 August, as Nicky Hager’s expose on New Zealand’s right wing politics hit public consciousness and confirmed our worst fears, I wrote, “Dirty Politics” has achieved more than simply revealing  unwholesome machinations between National party apparatchiks,...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • Dear mainstream media – regarding Key’s promise to resign if GCSB expos...
    Dear Mainstream media. How’s it all going? I would like to acknowledge the deep depression many members of the Press Gallery are going through as their boy Key looks less and less likely to win. I appreciate how a loss...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • It’s official: ACT’s Jamie Whyte is several-sandwiches-and-a-salad sho...
    .   . There aren’t very many times I agree wholeheartedly with our Dear Leader – but on this occassion I believe he spoke for those 99% of New Zealanders for whom common sense is as natural as breathing air....
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • ‘I’ll not be intimidated … by cowards’, says Fiji death threat jour...
    Fiji Sun’s Jyoti Pratibha … death threats via fake Facebook profiles. Image: Pacific Scoop THE PARIS-based media freedom advocacy organisation Reporters Sans Frontières and the Pacific Media Centre have condemned threats and intimidation against political reporters this week covering Fiji’s...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • Glenn Greenwald on TV3s ‘The Nation’ – Everyone remember when Key pro...
    Glenn Greenwald has just given his first NZ interview on TV3s ‘The Nation’ and what he had to say was incredibly damaging. Glenn is here for Kim Dotcom’s Moment of Truth on Monday and what he has just had to...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • What will soft National vote do, why Colin Craig will be a focus in final w...
    In what has been the most unpredictable elections of our time, the final week promises more shocks and bombshells than World War One trench warfare. We have the media who still have the Rawshark emails that detail the Ede-Slater exchanges....
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • Would a National-Conservative Party reduce rights to an abortion? Legalise ...
    With the possibility of a Conservative-National Party coalition looming, let’s consider the impact of this new hard right religious Government on social policy. We know Conservative Party candidate Edward Saafi, believes the inability to legally bash your kids is responsible for teenage prostitution, teenage pregnancy and...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • ACTs solution to crime – more guns?
    How insane are the ACT Party? Honestly? Their solution to crime is to arm every shop keeper with a sawn off shotgun??? “Criminals are well aware that shopkeepers are defenceless and are taking advantage of this in brutal robberies. What...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • John Key’s gift to teenage girls…
    Yesterday I was at the MANA Movement policy release on “Predators on Poverty” in the Otahuhu Shopping Centre. Successive Labour and National governments have left vulnerable communities on their own to face these merciless thieves who prey on the poor...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • Poverty denial – Where does National get its advice from?
    National is displaying a quite inadequate understanding of their own policies and worrying inability to respond to criticism. When John Key trots out his old, tired example of how ‘work pays’ on Morning Report this week to justify leaving 260,000...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • Education reformers mean well, so what’s the problem?
    The thing about education reformers is that, mostly, they mean well. Whether it’s charter schools, National Standards, Teach First, or another reform, many people involved have good intentions.  They want to improve things, try something new and innovate, they say. The thing...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • My brain hurts
    My brain hurts.  This election year has been a really long nine months.  The lies, the headlines, the spin, the policy, the chat, I am literally overloaded with information.  At times it’s been exhausting trying to keep up.  However I...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • Slater loses Blomfield defamation case – has to pays costs & must dis...
    Great victory for Journalism today. The Defamation case Matt Blomfield took against Slater has jumped its first hurdle, Slater has been told he might be a ‘Journalist’, but he has no right to journalistic protection of his sources because there was no...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • Seeing an Economic Vision
    It has been some time since my last post to TDB. I was fortunate to recently come back to NZ briefly for a bit of a break from my work in Pakistan. While my visit was super short, I took...
    The Daily Blog | 11-09
  • 5 reasons why anyone identifying as Left with a capital L should party vote...
    There are 5 reasons why anyone identifying as Left with a capital L should consider casting their party vote for Internet MANA this election. 1 – Feed the Kids: There is no excuses now that National have flirted with the idea...
    The Daily Blog | 11-09
  • What I want from a change of government
    The prospects for a change of government look a little brighter so I though I’d look at what we can expect. The only option being provided by Labour, the main opposition party, is for a Labour, Green, NZ First coalition....
    The Daily Blog | 11-09
  • Why is the “Progressive” Coalition so Regressive?
    Have you ever, when parallel parking, got yourself wedged into the curb? The car in front is centimetres away and your rear wheel is touching the curb at an angle. This is a metaphor for the state of economic policy-making...
    The Daily Blog | 11-09
  • Of course the Greens could work with National
    A warm soy latte with John Key?   Sharp in take of breath moment as TVNZ last night reported Greens could work with National post the election if National win. It’s a smart move. The Greens are so viciously anti-tribal...
    The Daily Blog | 11-09
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Quality of Journalism
    “Skilled journos getting unwarranted shit from hack bloggers & online warriors could earn big $ in PR/marketing, so thank you for what you do”. As this tweet rolled across my screen this morning the irony had me rolling my eyes. Why on...
    The Daily Blog | 11-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – #BlueGreen2014 – Or: The Media Jetskiis O...
    During Thursday’s iteration of One News, I was virtually shocked off my seat to hear a reasonably well-known political pundit slash nominal “journalist” prognosticating about the likelihood of the Green Party “switching gear” on its electoral strategy … and deciding...
    The Daily Blog | 11-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Michael Wood – Winning on the Economy
    One of the great tricks of the right over the past twenty years has been to desiccate debate about our economy. ‘The economy’ is spoken about as if it is an independent entity, divorced from the realm of democratic politics...
    The Daily Blog | 11-09
  • GUEST BLOG – Curwen Rolinson – They’re tryna build a prison system ...
    Well, at least we now know how National intends to deliver that extra hundred and fifty thousand jobs they’ve promised us. Although on sixty cents an hour, it’s not *quite* the reasonable pay packet – or, hell, living wage that...
    The Daily Blog | 11-09
  • 5AA Australia: NZ General Election is in full swing September 11 2014
    5AA Australia: Selwyn Manning and Peter Godfrey discuss the fallout from the dirty politics revelations and also how the political leaders are fairing. The NZ General Election is in full swing. Since we last talked, the fallout from the dirty...
    The Daily Blog | 11-09
  • If it barks like a dog…
    If it barks like a dog…...
    The Daily Blog | 11-09
  • The obscenity of National’s tax cuts
    It should be an abhorrence in a nation that once prided itself on its egalitarianism that National want to borrow another $500 million per year while 250 000 – 285 000 children live in poverty. There are two reasons why...
    The Daily Blog | 10-09
  • Key and Cunliffe, research revealed by Ancestry.com.au
    Contrasting family histories of John Key and David Cunliffe, revealed by research from Ancestry.com.au....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Revelations a Damning Indictment of Key’s Honesty
    The Prime Minister’s honesty is now central to the election, says Internet Party Leader Laila Harré, following the revelations of whistleblower Edward Snowden that there is mass surveillance of New Zealand citizens by the GCSB....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Organisations Have ‘Duty of Care’ for Players says Law Firm
    Concussion injuries in amateur and professional sporting arenas are currently highly topical. Concussion potentially appears to have been implicit in the recent death of a young player in Northland....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Media Release from Closing the Gap on Health and Housing
    “Inequality is the biggest problem facing New Zealand at the present time” says Peter Malcolm National Secretary of Closing the Gap. It underlies many of our social ills, poverty, lack of trust, an economy that could do much better, and...
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Expanding Whānau Ora – a bottom line for Māori Party
    Leaving the best to last, the Māori Party has launched its Whānau Ora policy today following a fun family event at Te Ore Ore Marae in Masterton last night. “When we change what happens in our homes, we change what...
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Colin Craig’s Incredible Claims Continue
    Hot on the heels of a Conservative Party candidate proposing to double the price of a bottle of wine, Colin Craig has come up with an even more fantastic idea to buttress his uncosted tax policy....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • The Letter: Jamie Whyte is going to Parliament
    Friday night’s TVNZ Colmar Brunton poll puts Jamie Whyte in Parliament. TVNZ rounded down the poll result (ACT was on 1.2%). With the high wasted Conservative vote, just 1.2% makes Jamie an MP. It is ACT, not NZ First that...
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Why are we letting Dotcom steal our election?
    Why are we letting a convicted German fraudster and his American polemicists steal our election?...
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • ACT’s five point plan
    ACT has a five point plan to grow the economy by a third. To lift economic growth from the Treasury's long term forecast of just two percent to three....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Christchurch rebuild cost sharing plan must be improved
    “The agreement between the government and the Christchurch City Council about sharing costs of the rebuild is due to be revised in December, as some costs are more accurately known now than they were originally,“ says Warren Voight, Local...
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • ‘Key vs. Cunliffe’ Final Live NZ Election Reactor
    ohn Key and David Cunliffe go head to head for the final time on TV One on Wednesday as Election Day looms. Roy Morgan wants to know what you think about their performance as the leaders try one last time...
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Chamber welcomes Business Growth Agenda priorities
    Wellington Employers’ Chamber of Commerce welcomes the National Government’s 10 highest priorities for its Business Growth Agenda as essential to continuing strong business performance and economic growth....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • #SafeSource NZ – A secure way to share the truth
    Dirty politics and a dirty environment go hand in hand. Our country’s future as a fairer, cleaner, more prosperous place is being threatened by backroom deals, corporate cronyism and a lack of transparency....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Last vid to encourage youth vote
    Here's the third and final in our series to boost the youth vote. It's called CINDER and it's a play on the popular dating app....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Fee hikes restrict student choices
    A survey of 5000 students from across the tertiary sector shows that tuition fees have increased at the maximum level permitted. Fees are constraining students’ choices more than ever before. Although tuition fees are only permitted to increase...
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • ACT’s five point plan to grow the economy
    ACT has a five point plan to double the rate of economic growth. The Treasury long term forecast for growth is 2% a year. We can lift it to 4%....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • iPredict Daily Election Update
    National’s forecast party vote has risen to 45.3% over the last day, at the expense of Labour and the Greens, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict. A National/Act/UnitedFuture/Maori...
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • National’s economic strategy attack workers’ rights
    The National Party’s ‘Workplaces’ policy confirms that their economic growth strategy relies on attacks on workers rights, according to FIRST Union....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Questions Raised Over Cow Deaths
    The death of 200 cows after eating a new variety of PGG Wrightsons HT swedes [1] is a disaster for New Zealand farmers....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Final decision on Ruakura Development Plan Change
    The independent Board of Inquiry considering the Ruakura Development Plan Change has released its final report and decision. The Board has approved the plan change request but with amendments....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Confirmed – Smacking Law Needs Correction
    Family First NZ says that the ONE News Vote Compass survey showing only 23% support the anti-smacking law is no surprise, and confirms that it’s time the politicians listened to New Zealand families....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Kiwi voters urged to heed warnings
    Kiwi voters would do well to note the advice given this week to Queensland people by retired judge and renowned corruption fighter Tony Fitzgerald, according to Democrats for Social Credit health spokesman David Tranter....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Fisheries policy analysis produces surprising results
    Nine political party policies were analysed to determine which party had the most public friendly fisheries policy and the results surprised LegaSea, an apolitical fisheries lobby group. “For the first time, recreational fishers have been offered...
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • $3m to help keep Hutt families healthy
    National Party candidate for Hutt South, Chris Bishop, welcomes news Hutt City Council has been selected to lead a $3 million anti-obesity initiative in Lower Hutt which will help families improve their health. “Healthy Families NZ is National’s new...
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Community organisations struggling
    The survey, conducted by community sector network ComVoices, highlights the high level of frustration and urgency being felt by those who deliver services, says group Chairperson, Peter Glensor. 311 organisations completed the survey....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • NZ 2014 Election Index – 6-11 September
    Below is iSentia’s weekly Election Index for the period 6 to 11 September, showing the relative amount of coverage of nine Party Leaders in the lead up to the National Election across news media and social media. We will publish...
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • Workers despair at Nationals lack of fairness
    “Nationals Workplaces policy, released today, fails to articulate any vison about how life for working New Zealanders can be improved.” CTU President Helen Kelly said. “Again if this policy focusses on removing work rights, its own documents...
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • National tries to dodge the discussion on workers’ rights
    New Zealanders deserve a proper conversation about National’s plans to keep undermining the real value of their wages and conditions at work. “Today National has released a ‘workplace policy’ which will further widen the imbalance of power between...
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • Didn’t Get Your Easyvote Pack? You Need to Enrol Now.
    If you didn’t get an EasyVote pack in the mail last week, you need to check your enrolment now as you may not be enrolled....
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • Survey shows television without adverts could be vote winner
    Survey shows television without adverts could be a vote winner Television news focuses too much on politicians' personalities and not enough on the real issues, according to a UMR survey commissioned by the Coalition for Better Broadcasting....
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • Which of Key’s many statements will Greenwald challenge?
    John Key's credibility and honesty will be tested on many more GCSB issues than whether there was / is mass surveillance of New Zealanders by the GCSB. I have put together this by no means comprehensive list of Key's statements...
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • 4th tranche of Auckland Housing Accord licenses sprawl
    Youth organisation, Generation Zero, is appalled at the next stage of the Auckland Housing Accord, released today, as it is once again focussed on urban sprawl. The fourth tranche of 41 Special Housing Areas (SHAs), allows for 8000 dwellings, nearly...
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • New funding to support high value food exports
    Auckland, New Zealand. 15 September 2014...Plant & Food Research has received funding for two new projects in the latest government science investment round....
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • National, Greens Big Movers on Bribe-O-Meter
    The Taxpayers’ Union has updated its election policy 'Bribe-O-Meter’ to reflect the cost of recent campaign promises. The update takes into account Labour’s new fiscal tables and all announcements up to Friday and is based on numbers provided...
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • Policy Costing Expert Questions ‘NZ Power’ Numbers
    Dr Michael Dunn, engaged by the Taxpayers’ Union to provide the figures for the 'Bribe-O-Meter' election costing website , is questioning the Labour Party’s costing of it’s flagship "NZ Power” policy....
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • Meet the Real Colin Craig
    Watching Conservative Party leader Colin Craig struggling to explain his tax policy on The Nation this morning finally revealed that he is making dishonest promises....
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • Lifetime Achiever Generous of Investment in Whanau Ora
    Earlier this month, Maori Party's Te Tai Tonga and Christchurch based candidate, Ngaire Button, said she was rapt local hero, Tihi Puanaki, was named Regional Winner of the Pride of NZ 2014, Lifetime Achievement Award. Button is clearly delighted...
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • Bigger than the Foreshore And Seabed
    “Over the past week I have received some disturbing information that has led myself and a number of Maori lawyers to conclude that this National - Maori Party - ACT and United Future Government are going to put an end...
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • New Zealand’s participation in Five Eyes
    “Our policy is we're committing to a full review of all of New Zealand's security services. We will be repealing the GCSB legislation and we will replace it with something that is guaranteed to be more protective of New Zealanders...
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • Once in a Lifetime travels north!
    After Once in a Lifetime ’s packed launch and sold-out panel discussion at the Christchurch Word Writers and Readers Festival, members of the editorial team are presenting the book to Auckland and Wellington audiences, in an attempt to increase...
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • Q+A: The role of the GCSB and our participation
    Green Party co-leader Russel Norman told TV One’s Q+A programme that they would close Waihopai and review the role of the GCSB and our participation in Five Eyes....
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • NZ First poll shows Labour coalition more likely than ever
    New Zealand First’s East Coast candidate, Mere Takoko, has revealed that her party’s internal polling shows Labour’s Moana Mackey is just 2 percent away from winning the East Coast electorate seat from incumbent Anne Tolley....
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • iPredict Daily Update
    Initial allegations made by journalist Glenn Greenwald yesterday appear to have dented National’s chances of leading the next Government, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict,...
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • ACT is holding the Balance of Power
    ACT will hold the balance of power after the election on Saturday....
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • Statement From Hone Harawira And Laila Harré
    The Prime Minister has used his security access to further own political interests, demonstrating he is unfit to hold the office....
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • Key “rejected mass surveillance plan”
    National Party leader John Key told TV1’s Q+A programme that the GCSB looked into a plan for mass surveillance after two companies were subjected to a major cyber-attack – but he rejected it....
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • Monday a Moment of Truth for Key on Spying, Says Harré
    Assurances given by the Prime Minister and the GCSB that spy agencies do not conduct mass surveillance on New Zealanders look set to be tested on Monday, says Internet Party leader Laila Harré....
    Scoop politics | 13-09
  • Outdoor Voters Poised to Vote
    A New Zealand-wide outdoor recreation organisation predicts the outdoors voting public will have a big impact on the election result....
    Scoop politics | 13-09
  • Patrick Gower Interviews NZFirst Leader Winston Peters
    Good. It looks like you’ve got a good crowd there. If we could start, Mr Peters, with Kim Dotcom and Monday night – the big reveal. A personal view from you, do you think that John Key knew about Kim...
    Scoop politics | 13-09
  • Lisa Owen Interviews Glenn Greenwald
    Says there are serious questions about whether the government has been truthful about changes to the GCSB legislation. “What I can tell you is that the statement that the GCSB made to New Zealand citizens last year — 'we do...
    Scoop politics | 13-09
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