Comments on: A plague on both your houses

By: The evidence on warming at The Standard

The evidence on warming at The Standard — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:45:39 +0000

[...] people to deliberately spread such lies, and feed the confusion that delays action on a crisis that endangers humanity? The insanity of it is completely beyond [...]

By: Charles Paringatai

Charles Paringatai — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:42:12 +0000

A plague on both your houses at The Standard: National, Maori this is the path that the world is on. This is .. http://bit.ly/8NE1o6

By: Bored

Bored — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:35:41 +0000

I suspect the additional carbon fuel reserves are factored in, we probably have from what I have read only recently peaked oil and coal is nowhere near peak which is frightening. The rate the ecosphere can filter this out is extemely slow (centuries) by comparison to rate of carbon release. Put bluntly, we are in the gun.

PS The so called scientific debate you see here from deniers makes me wince, as a degreed fluvial morphologist and geologist (many years ago and much memory loss later) it makes me cringe.

By: Con

Con — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:45:36 +0000

FYI the thermometer, a cheap warehouse job originating in China now reads 11C make of that what you will.

I will make nothing at all of it, then, since it has no statistical significance or even relevance in the slightest.

By: Con

Con — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:42:24 +0000

You asked for the last 10 years, not the 10 years prior to last February.

Of course you can find individual days or even months or years when it is colder, but underlying that fluctuation is a warming trend that is still there.

By: Andrei

Andrei — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:20:12 +0000

This would be the ground based data – no?

FYI – the same data for February has it 1.6C cooler

what can it mean?

I wonder what the satellite data would reveal? Something different that’s for sure

By: Andrei

Andrei — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:15:45 +0000

According to your atrocious knowledge of statistics, and applying a linear trend, it means that in two weeks the temperature on your deck will be at absolute zero, i.e. -273C.

My dear friend I applied no analysis statistical or otherwise to those two data points.

It was you who have

FYI the thermometer, a cheap warehouse job originating in China now reads 11C – make of that what you will.

By: Killinginthenameof

Killinginthenameof — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:20:33 +0000

So originally the data apparently showed there was no climate change, then somehow that same data showed that there is no climate change and magically also shows that if there was humans aren’t causing it. Now apparently, all the data is false which you guessed it, means there is no climate change.

Not a hell of rigor to their method huh?

If [anything] then “There is no climate change”

By: Zorr

Zorr — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:20:09 +0000

I agree that we should be aiming toward it. My point merely was that CCDers seem to argue that because I am on this side of the fence that I actually want bad stuff to be happening. It seems ridiculous to assume that climate change scientists might have something to gain from saying the world is in peril. Nobody ever gained anything from toting “End Of The World is Nigh” signs when it wasn’t going to happen.

Responsible, sustainable living makes as much sense as teaching our 2 year old to clean up after himself. It should be a common sense issue (you would hope).

By: Peter Wilson

Peter Wilson — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:18:41 +0000

Scary indeed. What I am interested is if that study factored in peak oil and peak coal. As in, if it just extrapolated current emission rates increasing then it may not be right. If the carbon simply isn’t there to burn, and this applies to coal as well as oil (as the oil price goes up, it becomes harder to get the coal out of the ground, and there isn’t as much there as we once thought).

It’s a very disturbing thing indeed to hope that energy scarcity arrives as soon as possible. But right now, with the current state of political leadership, a bit of geological reality that no National, ACT or Maori Party deniers can conjure their way out of might be quite welcome.

By: Draco T Bastard

Draco T Bastard — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:13:52 +0000

As the ice-caps melt, hundreds of millions will also be forced to move inland due to rapidly-rising seas. As world food supplies crash, the higher mid-latitude and sub-polar regions would become fiercely-contested refuges.

This is the part that scares the crap out of me. We’re only a small country and under AGW/Peak Oil we’ll have difficulty in supporting the number of people we have here already never mind the AGW refugees that are going to try to come here.

By: r0b

r0b — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:11:50 +0000

They are taking a deal that has been offered to them.

So, what – the Maori Party have no free will?

They know what they are doing is wrong – see their minority report on the ETS. They know exactly what they are doing, and they’re doing it anyway. They are just as guilty as National.

By: Draco T Bastard

Draco T Bastard — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:11:29 +0000

Gwynn Dyers â€˜Climate wars'

By: r0b

r0b — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:10:03 +0000

And here in NZ, our glaciers are still shrinking….

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10611095

By: Bill

Bill — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:52:10 +0000

Antarctica losing between 113 and 267 billion tonnes of ice per annum.

Greenland losing 250+ billion tonnes per annum.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/22/east-antarctic-ice-sheet-nasa