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A quick question

Written By: - Date published: 11:02 am, August 29th, 2012 - 81 comments
Categories: benefits, class war, drugs, national - Tags: , ,

Bennett (playing the distraction card) is pushing her drug testing policy again:

Drug testing of beneficiaries will come into force next year, with penalties for those who fail tests – including have to reimburse the cost of the test and having welfare payments stopped.

Social Development Minister Paula Bennett announced today pre-employment drug testing will take effect from next July and beneficiaries with work expectations will face sanctions if they refuse to apply for drug-tested jobs.

I have posted this question before, and no right-wing commenter fronted up with a satisfactory answer. So I’m going to ask the question again. Hey Nats (and anyone else who supports this policy) – what is going to happen to the people who have their benefit terminated under this policy? How will they live? Do you care?

81 comments on “A quick question”

  1. kiwi_prometheus 1

    They go clean on their own or via a program, no more drugs, they get some of my hard earned tax money again.

    If the useless good for nothings decide to keep taking drugs, they can do it on their own dime. Probably facing prison sometime, at this point I don’t really care.

    • mike e 1.1

      gangs that are already flourishing with high unemployment will ‘grow’ exponentially.

      • fnjckg 1.1.1

        Yep! Shes’ Mighty

      • kiwi_prometheus 1.1.2

        Dismantle the gangs. They are a cancer on civil society. They have become ever more wealthier and more sophisticated under Left and Right – business, accountants, lawyers etc. Destroy them.

        Lock em up forever, or death penalty after a few months amnesty to give up their patches, and dissolve.

        • marty mars 1.1.2.1

          I have some tinysmall sympathy with your view that business, accountants, lawyers etc. Destroy them. Lock em up forever, and all the rest – but you are being a bit harsh – they are people too you know and sure they are leeches but that’s the system they are trying to survive and prosper under – you are part of and helped create and maintain that system and can you truthfully state that you’ve never used business, accountancy or legal ‘services’ – but sure they got their degrees on your hard earned taxes.

        • mike e 1.1.2.2

          KP How many Rednecks have tried that BS line.
          1987 Ropa report came up with solutions none of them have been acted on.
          So how are you going to stop gangs kp loud mouthing which is all your good at.

    • QoT 1.2

      I understand it’s actually a lot easier for addicts to “go clean” when they’re homeless and starving. Trufax.

      • kiwi_prometheus 1.2.1

        I mentioned programs, Miss QT.

        • QoT 1.2.1.1

          Drug programmes now offer housing and support for entire families? Wow. Are these programmes funded by your magical TAXPAYAH DOLLAHS by any chance?

          • kiwi_prometheus 1.2.1.1.1

            Sorry cupcake, breaks over gotta get back to the grind, unlike your little dope head bludger pals. :roll:

      • aerobubble 1.2.2

        The problem with the policy is it discriminates, as people who work under the influence
        of drugs will not lose family credits, people who drive drugged will not lose their tax rebates,
        only people – many the poorest – will be forced to give up or lose basic income social security.
        When applying for a driving license will you have to under go a drugs test?

        But the worst aspect is that a person, not on a benefit, has the choice not to accept a
        job where a drug test is mandated, and will never be threatened with starvation.

        You can even imagine that the unemployment grapevine would see that addict
        would immediately claim to have an offer for a job whenever a timber company offers
        open positions.

        But worse! What is an addict does go cold turkey, gets the job and then restarts, only
        then to have an accident and end up on ACC???? Or even worse, just ups their criminality
        to cover the loss in benefit and ends up in jail (at 10x the cost to the taxpayer).

        • gnomic 1.2.2.1

          “When applying for a driving license will you have to under go a drugs test?”

          Yes, that’s the way it’s heading under BrighterFutureUnderNationalWorld.

          The totalitarian state will protect you if you are compliant.

    • Hayden 1.3

      So now you’re paying not only to feed and house them, but to guard them as well? I’d care about that.

      • kiwi_prometheus 1.3.1

        I think most of them would clean themselves up. Probably the first time in their lives they actually get a signal that what they are doing is wrong. They definitely aren’t getting the message from the Bleeding Hearts Brigade.

        • Carol 1.3.1.1

          Ah Bleeding hearts…. a term I heard by Nat MPs in parliament today – current term to cover for a lack of real answer to humanitarian arguments re-poverty?

        • North 1.3.1.2

          It’s “they they they they they……..” is it Ki’ Pro’ ?

          Brilliant !

          Just what Key and Bennett want.

          In a move with some very worrying fish hooks in it according to some pretty powerful authority,
          Key and Bennett have got a bunch of righteous wankers sneeringly muttering “they they they they they”.

          In the meantime Key forges ahead on behalf of Wall Street/City of London, him and his in other words.

          So biddable Ki’ Pro’. And a good sprinkling of the bully as well.

    • vto 1.4

      kiwi-prometheus “If the useless good for nothings decide to keep taking drugs, they can do it on their own dime. Probably facing prison sometime, at this point I don’t really care.”

      kiwi-prometheus, you illustrate perfectly the great con and lie that is being pulled here. You have been sucked in.

      Think about it – this policy is about impairment in the workplace. But you have taken it to mean what people do with their entire life. It is not about what they do outside work hours. Bloody wake up you fool. You have been conned.

      On top of that, try thinking about this. The drug tests do not even test impairment in the workplace. Conned again.

      wake up.

      • kiwi_prometheus 1.4.1

        Me sucked in?

        All the Feminist on here are busy spending their time sticking pins into Assange voodoo dolls. The CIA tools.

        If you’re getting my hard earned taxpayer money, don’t spend it on drugs.

        I doubt genuine job seekers would care, I certainly wouldn’t, I have to do tests when applying for work in the field I’m in.

        While I am all for welfare, I’ve seen too many good for nothings milking the system – fucking it up for EVERYONE ELSE. And no one Left or Right deals with it because its all terribly PC – ooohhh think if the children boo hoo!

        • Draco T Bastard 1.4.1.1

          Me sucked in?

          Yes, you’ve been sucked in. Possibly as much as 2% of beneficiaries use drugs and that includes alcohol. This program will cost far more than it will ever save, it isn’t going to get any one into employment simply because there isn’t any jobs and it’s also one more step on the road to totalitarianism that this government is taking us down.

          I doubt genuine job seekers would care

          And I suspect that you’re wrong about that. It’s not the governments nor the employers right to say what people do in their own time. It only becomes their right when what they’re doing interferes or endangers others at which point they would have the right to do a drugs test.

        • vto 1.4.1.2

          Kiwi prometheus, you didn’t even read my post did you because you have just gone and done it again. i.e. remain sucked in.

          Please re-read my psot and see if you can understand what it says.

          • fatty 1.4.1.2.1

            If we were wondering about the effectiveness of this policy, Kiwi prometheus provides evidence that it works. Its difficult not to be amused by KP’s reaction, but at the same time its also scary…how many other people have this kind of reaction?

            • Mike 1.4.1.2.1.1

              I was amused at first, but the more posts of his (assume) I read, I actually feel pretty sad that there are still so many like him with similar attitudes and so easily manipulated. I’m positive we’re devolving as a species.

        • vto 1.4.1.3

          In addition, mr nothink, when you provide this reason “If you’re getting my hard earned taxpayer money, don’t spend it on drugs.” then you had better apply it to everyone who receives a taxpayer-funded benefit e.g. Pensioners, families receiving WFF, solo mothers, sickness beneficiaries, all politicians. Otherwise you look pretty empty and judgmental and nasty.

          Plus you will need to apply alcohol to that as well because, if you recall, this is about impairment in the workplace. You cannot be under the influence of drugs, and nor can you be under the influence of alcohol. So following your brainless logic anybody under each of those above groups who has a drink at any time gets their WFF, super, dpb, salary, etc docked.

    • weka 1.5

      “They go clean on their own or via a program, no more drugs, they get some of my hard earned tax money again.”

      How many beneficiaries take drugs and are not addicted?

      And presumably the people that grow their own drugs will be exempt, as there is no cost to the taxpayers.

    • MarUnoTre 1.6

      What do you think happens when you mix survival instincts with drug dependence? Its not a happy outcome for society.

    • fnjckg 1.7

      not at all actual-factual; having the best time of my life. Praise God brother
      so, im giving up soon any way so na na, ni na na….

  2. Peter 2

    When I read the policy there was no mention of a total benefit cut – it’s 50% penalty.

    • framu 2.1

      despite the fact that you can get your benefit cut completely. were talking a 50% cut from an benefit level that is already 20% lower than what is required to survive.

      • fnjckg 2.1.1

        We all know whu this is targetting bro,
        just cant pull down that fence or remove that beam, can they

    • mike e 2.2

      failure to provide a clean sample the third time will lead to a complete cut.

  3. shorts 3

    from watching the TV3 news coverage last night they said that if the test was positive they get a warning, another test a month later lead to a 50% reduction and one more positive a month after that was 100%, ie loss of benefit

    as cannabis can stay in your blood for up to 3 months (heavy users)… that first positive test could lead to a loss of benefit regardless of any behaviour change, I assume

    harsh… not if you switch to meth

    • framu 3.1

      also – what the right of appeal like with this? is there even one?

      false positives, etc etc

      there must be a way to question a result (surely thats a legal requirement if the govt is using it to sanction people) – which will lead to every single failed result being appealed. And they cant cut your benefit while a case is under appeal.

      • lostinsuburbia 3.1.1

        And probably use the lowest bid lab test service, which will give how many false positives I wonder?

    • infused 3.2

      That heavy use stay in your blood is bullshit. I know this for fact. Back in 2001 I went for a factory job. Being young, I smoked it most days. I stopped two weeks before my test. Passed.

      • framu 3.2.1

        staying in blood – your probably right, but it can and does stay in your fat cells for several weeks – and it is possible to pick that up on a test. Just cause you passed doesnt make it bullshit

        • shorts 3.2.1.1

          I got the heavy use term from wiki… I’d rather trust that as a source of information that what happened to you infused – no disrespect.

          I’d imagine that it differs from person to person… as does what constitutes heavy, mild or light use and the potency of that smoked or ingested as part of that usage and how long it resides in blood cells and/or fat tissue

      • fnjckg 3.2.2

        woteva

      • Mike 3.2.3

        If you are a heavy pot smoker then the THC metabolites will usually stay in your fat cells for a lot longer than 2 weeks. (up to 90 days for some)

        Occasional users can pass after 2 weeks or less most of the time. When you say you smoked it most days, how many joints per day? If you were a heavy user as you say, and were smoking for say a year before the test, then it is very doubtful you would pass a urine test after just 2 weeks without any pot.

        On a side note, what’s “being young” got to do with anything? Sort of insulting to young people.

        Then again, I think you’re probably full of shit. Sorry, I just say it how I see it.

  4. Frida 4

    Good question, Rob. I’ve often wondered the same thing and asked it of friends and family who come out in favour of policies like this. I’ve never had a satisfactory answer, just more chest-beating.

    If a 50% penalty is indeed the answer, then it’s not satisfactory either (given the recently published findings on the gap between rich and poor and the way so many of the latter are struggling to make ends meet).

    So, I endorse your question and await a response as well. What happens to such people when they can’t pay rent, can’t buy food etc etc? We just turn a blind eye?! Is that the society we’ve become??

    As people have said today in another post, reverse the bloody tax cuts. I also never wanted it, don’t need it and would give it up tomorrow to see a return to more egalatarian NZ

    • Mike 4.1

      I’m not a right winger or Nat supporter, but I can tell you.

      Firstly, they stop paying the rent so landlords miss out on their subsidy and have to wait 90 days to get new tenants in.

      Then they either:

      – Get clean, apply for another job and get the job. (not very likely and no jobs currently anyway)
      – Spiral downward into petty crime to fuel their addiction, becoming a real burden on society.
      – Become drug dealers to get an income.

      • fatty 4.1.1

        Their best option under this policy would be to start using drugs heavily to the point that they are considered ‘addicted’ and get on a sickness benefit. That’s what I would do in that situation…its the logical option

  5. Dr Terry 5

    In the end there IS a total benefit cut. Let us never associate the National Government with any genuine kind of “care” toward human beings. Their only care is to “balance the books”, i.e. money.

    Again, I suggest that Bennett introduce drug testing for employers (and politicians?). We could see some interesting results!

  6. Bored 6

    Some scenarios here:
    * The spin doctors in National are garnering the RWNJ vote because we Kiwis are well know punitive sorts who like kicking those already on the floor.
    * Bennett actually believes what she is saying (maybe given she would be unlikely to be within 50% of a MENSA qualifying score).
    * Something big and nasty is going down, Paula is the smokescreen (or a very large obstruction in line of sight).
    * Keys mob are totally out of control and the Shonkster has failed dismally to manage them.

    Fekked if I know which it is.

    • Newt 6.1

      My money is on “All of the above but they will crow loudest about whichever looks to work best”

  7. vto 7

    .
    But the drug tests do not test impairment in the workplace. All they do is test whether people have taken drugs any time over the previous up to 3 weeks.

    So in all fairness then anyone who has had a bit too much to drink in the previous up to 3 weeks must also face these sanctions. It is all about impairment in the workplace, isn’t it?

  8. vto 8

    .
    On top of the lie that is this policy, the penalty will have no effect on aything to do with employment.

  9. Tiger Mountain 9

    To answer Anthony: it would appear they don’t care. That is why extra prison beds are on the way. And why newly cut off bennies and their kids will further populate gargages, vehicles and sofas around the country. WINZ wants people off the books pure and simple even if some eventually ‘churn’ back onto a benefit weeks or months later. It looks good for a little while.

    Capitalism requires a reserve pool of labour to help keep wages low. ‘They’ indeed do not care.

  10. weka 10

    What I don’t understand is why National even care if poor people take drugs. What does it matter?

    According to r0b’s link, WINZ have a list of jobs that require drug testing (40% of jobs). Does anyone have that list?

    “She said the crackdown would involve up to 1300 beneficiaries a year getting treatment for drug dependency.

    …Some people on prescribed medicine will be exempt and people with addiction will be supported with their dependency.”

    Right, because access to recovery services is working really well for drug users already :roll: Is the subtext there that they will leave addicts alone?

    It also begs the question of what they are testing for.

    • Tiger Mountain 10.1

      They are mostly testing reactions I reckon and running the diversion tactic.

      The nats are vote herding by using the fear and loathing of certain groups towards benefit recipients. Unfortunately low paid workers and self employed workers are some of the worst bennie bashers going due to “last place aversion”.

      • The Woodpecker 10.1.1

        ” last place aversion” I don’t dissagree with you TM, but I sure as hell don’t understand it either.

    • mike 10.2

      “What I don’t understand is why National even care if poor people take drugs.”

      They don’t. National couldn’t care less about what poor people do, nor they problems. This is about:

      a) Keeping benes demonized to justify this welfare cut and future welfare cuts. Thus helping to maintain a large group of people desperate to work for low wages.

      b) Dog-whistling to core Nat voters who have been conditioned to hate ‘druggies’ and ‘dole bludgers’, a winner of a dog-whistling combo.

      c) Distracting people from focusing on things that actually matter, like the damning child poverty report that came out on the very same day, or the stumbling asset sales that don’t make any sense except from a rob the poor and give to the rich standpoint, and that even Nat voters don’t want.

  11. BernyD 11

    Paula Bennet is using the Phase “Recreational Drugs” a lot.

    The fact is these people are taking drugs because they are sick, wether they realise it or not.
    A drug test wont answer that question at all, and realistically those people will just get sicker with this policy.

    People take drugs because they are in pain, it makes them feel better, so they keep doing it.

    If they had respect for doctors and other people in authority they may come to realise that they are sick in a “Civilised” sense, the rest will just keep taking it no the chin.

  12. Bastables 12

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-february-2-2012/poor-pee-ple

    The funny thing is bashing the poor seems to be a right wing thing. American experience has actually shown drug use to be lower for poor/onwelfare than the general population. It’s also shown to be an expensive program.

    And of course the argument has to be made when can we expect Members of parliament to prove they’ve not been taking drugs while being paid in public funds and representing the Crown.

    P Bennet needs to pass a RFL/Required fitness level and a drug test, much like the cops and the defence force I think.

  13. tracey 13

    Given drug use is illegal, why noy make drug testing compulsory in all workplaces punisheable by dismissal… Any company directors testing positive get criminally charged…

    • mike 13.1

      Given that Paula B has a history of releasing confidential information on political opponents, why should she be trusted with the results of these degrading drug tests?

      Are there any legal minds here who have any thoughts on whether or not being drug tested to qualify for a public service is a violation of human rights?

      And to answer your question Tracey, (and yes I know you’re not serious), because we live in a free society where what you do in your own time is your own f*cking business as long as you’re not bothering anyone else.

      • Tracey 13.1.1

        That’s what I thought, except if you are “poor”. I also wouldn’t trust Ms Bennett with my drug test results, afterall I’m not sure she can even sit on a toilet seat the right way round

    • Richard Down South 13.2

      Can we test those in Parliament at random please?

    • Mary 13.3

      Perhaps every employee should lose their job, and every beneficiary lose their benefit if they break any law? That makes sense, eh? Ooh, I shouldn’t be saying such things in case it gives Labour ideas.

  14. Feargal 14

    Paula Bennett is a brilliant minister, drug testing Beneficiaries is a scientifically proven way of creating more real jobs. Next year she is going to bring in witchcraft testing for beneficiaries. And we all be fully employed

  15. Roy 15

    I think that if this is introduced, it should apply to MPs, Police and superannuatants as well.

  16. fnjckg 16

    Wow! Dig This!
    Disease accounts-bodily abnormalities-biomedical/physical interventions

    Illness accounts-centred also on body but also on ones’ social/community interactions

    Disorder accounts-without neglect to either body or social/communal, also attends to one’s relationship with world at large (sphere)(ok, sphere is i) Experiences as out of order
    The recovery of well-being in this case-putting the world back together

    Robert A. Hahn’s ‘Sickness and Healing: An anthropological Perspective’.

    ya gotta luv the Word

  17. fabregas4 17

    What if you work steadfastly for 30 years – lose your job through no fault of your own – can’t find another – need some help- is it treating folk with dignity to firstly head them off for a drug test?

  18. Bryan 18

    I look forward to random testing of the ultimate beneficiaries – MPs.
    I understand a drug of choice is alcohol – random urine testing so that those with alcohol in their system are not allowed in the house. Ethyl glucuronide and %CDT testing to identify those with ongoing booze problems.
    But most definitely stop their bloody benefits.
    In fact let’s close the bars within parliament so these beneficiaries don’t drink during work time.
    and cut out the flow of alcohol at state functions.
    We can issue them with WINZ monitored cash cards so that they try to spend any of their benefits on cigarettes or potato chips etc etc the funds will be stopped.
    GPS bracelets FOR OUR SERVANTS so they can be located at all times that they are on our (taxpayer) payroll.
    Tracking also may be useful to spouses/partners who suspect the kind of tawdry cheating that goes on in the hotbeds of power.

  19. feijoa 19

    Unemployed people who have had the benefit cut completely probably have only 2 choices
    -begging
    -crime

    welcome to Nationals brighter future

    Don’t forget the unemployed are not the cause of our economic woes, they are the RESULT

    • kiwi_prometheus 19.1

      “Don’t forget the unemployed are not the cause of our economic woes, they are the RESULT”

      Sure, but there are a whole lot of no hopers too.

      I don’t see any problem with targeting those ones, compelling them to clean up their act. Drug free is the way to go.

      • Tracey 19.1.1

        So you are happy for your hard earned taxpayer money (as you call it) to go on creating a process (expensive), testing (expensive – and you can say you will take the costs from the benefit but frankly that’s a nonsense because you can’t get blood from a stone) will be paid upfront by the taxpayer, enforcement will cost, and treatment programmes (costly). Now this is for a similar number of people to the number who avoid tax each year… I haven’t noticed a similar regime against the later.

        Going to attampt to hit you with some facts

        “1. Anyone who wants to get off welfare can get a job.

        No, they can’t. In the last two months of 2010, the number of people receiving the dole rose by 4,536 to 67,084, and rose again in January to 68, 087. The number of people out of work stands at 158,000. One in three of the people currently on the dole were over 40 years of age – and many of them suffer from age discrimination in the job market. (There were 112,865 people on a domestic purposes benefit at the end of December, 85,105 on an invalid’s benefit and 59,988 on a sickness benefit.)”

        “2. People on welfare commit a lot of benefit fraud, at the expense of hard-working people

        The evidence for the existence of widespread benefit fraud is paltry to non-existent – despite the fact that a special fraud intelligence unit was set up in the Social Welfare department in 2007 to detect it. Last year, the department checked 29 million records, and found the benefit fraud rate (as a proportion of the total benefits paid) was a miniscule 0.10 per cent. A declining number of prosecutions – from 937 in 2009 to 789 last year – resulted.

        Of the $16 million in benefit fraud detected last year, a proportion was carried out by social welfare staff – ten of whom were sacked last year for ripping off the system – and not by beneficiaries themselves. While any level of benefit fraud is unacceptable, the $16 million a year currently being incurred is hardly an intolerable burden. Currently, New Zealanders spend $16,1 million a day on impulse purchases.

        Moreover, other forms of unacceptable behaviour leave benefit fraud far behind in the dust without attracting the same negative stereotypes. The major foreign owned banks for instance finally agreed in late 2009 – and only after being pursued at great expense through the courts by the IRD – to cough up $2.2 billion of what they owed in unpaid taxes. Meaning : the settlement figure this case alone was about 140 times greater than the total amount lost in benefit fraud last year.. ”

        “5. Most of the people on welfare are unmarried mothers – many of them teenagers – who have extra children so that they can get more money

        This is a hoary old myth that combines the resentment of beneficiaries in general, with prurient resentment of the sexy young having too much sex. In fact, the US and New Zealand evidence is that young people are having less sex, later than their parents’ generation.

        The Salvation Army’s recently published State of the Nation report contains similar positive findings for New Zealand :

        Teenage pregnancies and abortions have fallen during 2009, which is perhaps welcome news that there are fewer unplanned pregnancies. The number of 11–14 year olds giving birth or having an abortion dropped from 122 in 2008, to 108 in 2009….Although this decline is on a very small base, this number of pregnancies is the lowest in at least eight years. For older teenagers aged 15-19 years old, there was a 10% decline in the rate of pregnancies between 2008 and 2009

        Such figures help contradict Key’s scaremongering use of the young as a pretext for welfare reform. More to the point, the NZ figures on DPB recipients do not bear out Key’s specific assertion about ‘significant numbers of very young women going onto the DPB and staying there for a lifetime.”

        “In fact, only 3.1 % of those on the DPB are under 20 years of age – and that figure has barely flickered since 2005, when the figure was 2.9 %. Put another way, 97% of the people on the DPB are NOT the ‘very young women’ of Key’s lurid imagination. There are in fact, significantly more people on the DPB over 55 years of age (5.6%) than there are ‘very young women’ receiving this benefit.

        The vast bulk of DPB recipients (nearly 75%) are what you would expect : they are aged between 25 and 54. Some 61% of them are caring for children six years or under – a figure that, again, has barely changed since 2005. Nearly half are caring for two or more dependent children. ”

        ” Lots of people are on welfare for years and years, and then their children and grandchildren become welfare dependent.

        This myth is based on stereotypes about the chronically shiftless and teemingly fertile poor. Lets stick with the DPB for a moment. Since the DPB involves the care of children who are dependent at least until they are 18, you’d think it would reflect lifetime dependency very strongly. Yet instead, over two thirds of DPB recipients (67.7%) are on the DPB for less than four years. More than a quarter of them (26%) are on it for less than a year, even during the recession. If this is a lifestyle choice, it is hardly a fashionable one.

        Looking across all forms of benefits, 61.4 % of recipients are benefit dependent for four years or less. Only 14.3 % are on benefits for more than ten years – and since those figures include people with chronic physical and mental disabilities, the ratio of those staying on benefits because it is a “lifetime, lifestyle choice’ is lower again. In an excellent piece last year, Tim Watkin made much the same point :

        Of the 28,701 people who have been on the sickness benefit for a year or more, 40% of them have psychological or psychiatric conditions. Given that we have to run ad campaigns to reassure New Zealanders that even people with depression, let alone more serious mental health issues, can be good workers, does that number seem outlandishly large to you?

        Again, people who are temporarily in need of assistance – and who are using that help and moving on as quickly as most of them can – are being stigmatized in the cause of fixing what is virtually a non-existent problem.”

        see myths of welfare by werewolf Gordon Campbell

        K Prometheus, repeating a nonsense until it is believed and then repeating it with the passion of a believer doesn’t turn nonsense into fact, just widely believed nonsense. The Emperor has No Clothes was a basic story for children. Many adults need to re-read it.

  20. Herodotus 20

    What ever requirements the Government imposes on the masses the same should apply to the law makers. Love to see a drug and alcohol testing program being applied to all in parliament. And should they not be in parliament then like WADA have roving testers when MP’s are on the clock. Whats good for the goose ….

    • Tracey 20.1

      Conveniently though, one of the worst “drugs” in our society is legal… alcohol. The hypocrisy abounds…

  21. Jenny 21

    A better question for the Nats might be this:

    If I pass this test will the government guarantee me a job?

    • Tracey 21.1

      1++ very well done

    • Augustus 21.2

      Concur, Jenny. A drug test before starting a job makes sense, if the drug test is the last remaining barrier between the applicant and the job. If there is one job and 30 applicants, only one needs testing, the one who would be impaired when doing it.
      Everything else is harassment. IMO you can’t test hordes of people for one job, especially if the result leaves unsuccessful candidates seriously disadvantaged.
      How many people does WINZ send after one job?

    • gnomic 21.3

      Not a ghost of a chance; not the business they’re in. After all, the destruction is constructive. You don’t want to be mollycoddled by the nanny state surely? There are no guarantees. Life wasn’t meant to be easy.

      “I was a merchant banker; what can I say?” The smirking weasel disclaiming ever having earned an honest living.

  22. Julian 22

    My pot smoking has not killed or harmed anyone yet?
    Assholes like ‘kiwi_prometheus’ are more of a cancer on our fair society that a little weed in your system!

    • felix 22.1

      kiwi_prometheus is a crack head. Best ignored.

      • lprent 22.1.1

        Nah. Reckon that he is addicted to talkback radio. Once you strip away the polished tones then you hear them appealing to that same idiotic group. It is either that or a evangalician cult. Once you strip away the…

        Addiction to other drugs is either in is past or in his future. He is at his brightest right now.

  23. gnomic 23

    k_p is without doubt a troll, and not in any way a person interested in discussing ideas. It may even be a bot, they probably have artificial intelligence that can spew out this sort of rubbish.

    Or perhaps k_p is Lee Kuan Yew. I claim my $50 million $ Singapore.

    The next step in the evil agenda is presumably to ape the USA and ban felons from voting and enjoying any benefits from the state such as subsidised housing or educational assistance. Likewise residents in subsidised housing will also have to satisfy the state there is nothing bad in their bloodstream. Rebstock could be the conduit for this particular strand of neo-fascism, Bennett’s brain so to speak.

    Not quite sure what the objective is in producing a group of homeless and hungry people whose crime was smoking ganja. It is after all a medicinal herb. Probably good to have some bad people to scapegoat, and perhaps imprison. Why not confiscate any property they may have as well.

    Just as well technology will soon make it possible to sniff out the miscreants amongst the sheeple from a distance as they trudge along the pavements or log in with their biometrics. The war on drugs will finally end in victory, unless you’re talking about the synthetic products of big pharma required to alleviate the diseases induced in the population by the pseudo-foods churned out by the agri-chemical complex.

    Why not an open prison surrounded by the sea with the serfs wearing invisible fetters?

    Any other questions?

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    In an earlier posting Ukraine, United Kingdom, Ireland, Scotland, I noted that the first lesson of conflict learned by Robert McNamara was “understand your adversary”. If we have honourable objectives, our first and most important weapon is empathy. In the Vietnam War,...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Dr Jarrod Gilbert – Proof of David Farrar’s deception: my ...
    In the lead up to the election the Minister of Corrections Anne Tolley launched a gang policy. In order to justify the government’s approach she used gang figures that overstated the gang problem. Not by a little bit, but a...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • SPECIAL FEATURE: Stuart Nash – Red To The Rescue?
    SPECIAL FEATURE by Selwyn Manning. IF THE ELECTION RESULT which was dished out to Labour was not enough to incite an immediate leadership primary, then the caucus’ refusal to recognise David Cunliffe as the leader should cement it. Now is...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Has the one party state crackdown begun already? Left wing NZ activist grou...
    Well known left wing activist social media group, ‘John Key Has Left Down NZ’ has been shut down on Facebook. At 11.40pm last night, Facebook, without any warning shut the group down siting a breach of terms of service as...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Why Cunliffe should probably just let Nash & Robertson win
    We have to face some very unpalatable home truths. If you are a left wing political person, best you put your vote now to the Green Party, although you’ll have to do that all the while the Greens frantically tell you...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • The graceless win of Kelvin Davis
    The graceless win of Cameron Slater’s mate in the North, Kelvin Davis is difficult to swallow. Here Cameron Slater’s mate in the North is shitting on Hone Harawira by calling Hone all steam, no hangi as Kelvin rubs his ganged up win into...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So Labour shifted too far to the left?
    So Labour shifted too far to the left?   Here’s the ill-judged view of Josie Pagani in the Pundit “Labour must change”: “At the last election I made myself a heretic when I wrote a column mentioning how unpopular the...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Uncomplicated Loyalties: Why Cunliffe and the Labour Left Cannot Win
    THE STORY of David Cunliffe’s leadership of the Labour Party has been one of missed opportunities and unforced errors. That he was the only choice available to those who wanted to rid the Labour Party of its neoliberal cuckoos is...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So we can expect this now?
    So we can expect this now?...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Can Labour be saved? Why Whaleoil & National won and why we need a new ...
    As the shock of my optimism that NZers would recoil from the real John Key as exposed by Dirty Politics and mass surveillance duplicities wears off, I am surprised to find that the right in NZ are not content with...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Three more years (up shit creek and paddling hard)
    “If the future is not green, there is no future. If the future is not you, there is no future”. Emma Thompson’s stirring words to the climate marchers in London last Sunday are worth considering in the aftermath of the...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • One Party State
    In years to come this election will be seen as a historic turning point towards one party rule. I don`t mean this literally, absolute single party dictatorship is not in prospect. In the New Zealand context though, one party has...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • No More. The Left Falls.
    . We cannot be beaten down Because we are down already. We can only rise up and if you should beat us down, We will rise again. And again. And again… And when you tire of beating us down, We...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Hang tight everyone – Marama Davidson campaign reflection
    To the many people who had expressed their overwhelming support for me to enter Parliament this election – thank you. That the Greens held steady in a big loss for progressive politics is an achievement. We are hopeful that after...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA
    New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • Reflecting on Elections Past
    There are a number of past elections that can give the left in New Zealand guidance and hope. Two major points though. Major parties require leaders who can bridge the political divide through strength of personality, vision of what it...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – The Reptile Room
    I stress, at the outset, that I’ve got nothing against reptiles. Some of my best friends are reptiles. Some say I am one, but I’m not really. I just emulate that ability to sit, stationary for hours in court, eyes...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • The success of right-wing counter messaging in the election
    One of the reasons National won the election was due to its success in counter messaging – and the way so many media commentators ran with th the right-wing spin. Here are some examples. Dirty Politics The original message was...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New Flag competition
    New Flag competition...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • No time for self-pity
    After 23 meetings across the largest non-Maori electorate in the country – almost all of which went fantastically, approx 4,500km on the odometer, positive MSM and social media coverage, and polling well, I admit my team and I headed to...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • The 30 second speech that could have saved the Moment of Truth
    As the dust settles and we struggle to understand what the bloody hell happened on Saturday, many point to Kim’s failure at the Moment of Truth to present his evidence. I think that Kim was poorly advised and that politics requires a...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • Internet MANA and the 2014 election
    It was always going to be a hard task for Hone Harawira to hold onto his Te Tai Tokerau seat when the political establishment united in a coalition to defeat him and the chance for Internet MANA to bring more...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • New Zealand Red Cross Responds to Drought in Tonga
    New Zealand Red Cross has sent an aid worker and two desalination units, to turn seawater into safe drinking water in the drought-hit Ha’apai islands of Tonga....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Can you ever tell if an email is real or forged?
    Computer industry veteran Brian Eardley-Wilmot warns that we should never take claims about stolen emails at face value....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • NZ MPs to attend the ASPG Annual Conference in Sydney
    New Zealand MPs to attend the Australasian Study of Parliament Group Annual Conference in Sydney...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Independent Maori seats still needed in Parliament
    “He’s got to be joking!” is the reaction of the president of the Maori Party, Rangimarie Naida Glavish to a call by a former Labour Minister of Maori Affairs, Dover Samuels, for debate by Maori on whether the Maori electorates...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    Rallies supporting the rights for universal suffrage will take place all over New Zealand today and tomorrow...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand
    Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand The Graf Boys New Zealand has some of the best trout fishing in the world! Every year thousands of international visitors wade pristine rivers in search of the freshwater game fish....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New Zealand’s 2014 Hottest Vegetarians Crowned
    With winter gone things are heating up, and things just got even hotter with the crowning of New Zealand’s hottest vegetarians, says animal advocacy group SAFE. Marking World Vegetarian Day, 1st October, director James Napier Robertson and actor...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A day to remember our duty to look after our senior citizens
    Human Rights Commissioner Dr Jackie Blue says International Day of the Older Person (1 October) is a United Nations day to celebrate our senior citizens, but also acknowledge the need to protect our kaumatua, or older people from abuse and...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Clear data needed on impact of benefit sanctions on children
    A lack of data on benefit sanctions means there is no way of knowing whether welfare reform is helping or harming children, says Child Poverty Action Group....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The socialist alternative to austerity and war
    Public meeting: After the New Zealand election—the socialist alternative to austerity and war By Tom Peters 29 September 2014...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New recruits to boost border protection
    Twenty six new recruits began an intensive nine-week training course in Auckland today that will see them graduate as Customs officers in time for the busy summer season....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Dwindling Mallard population shows up ‘pest’ myth
    The pro hunting organisation Fish & Game is researching the causes of the decline of the mallard duck population, upset at the prospect of fewer ducks to kill....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    New Zealanders in Auckland will gather on Wednesday to support the rights for universal suffrage in Hong Kong....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Campbell Live Exclusive Interview with David Cunliffe
    David Cunliffe resigned as leader of the Labour party on Saturday; but he still wants the top job....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Action needed on cycling safety
    “Clearly we aren't doing enough to protect the 1.5 million New Zealanders who ride bikes,” said Mr Morgan....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • World Rivers Day Passes Without A Whimper
    Sunday 28 September was World Rivers Day to celebrate clean, flowing rivers and caring about them. But a recreation-conservation advocacy the Council of Outdoor Recreation Associations of NZ (CORANZ) says the day seems to have slipped by without...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The Kiwifruit Claim: Q&A
    1. Who is running The Kiwifruit Claim? The Kiwifruit Claim was founded by kiwifruit growers representing well in excess of 10% of the industry. 2. Why are you running this claim? The introduction of Psa into New Zealand had devastating...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Fed Farmers Need to Be Weaned
    The Taxpayers’ Union is calling on Federated Farmers to make a firm commitment to reject any future Government funding, after it was revealed that the lobby group had received over $200,000 of payments in recent years....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Children paying the price for charter school stitch up
    New Zealand children will be paying a high price for a one-seat deal between ACT and National, with an expansion of the beleaguered charter school system says education union NZEI Te Riu Roa....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Hikoi From North Reaches Oil Conference Tomorrow
    Today: The Hikoi opposing Statoil plans for seismic testing and deep sea oil drilling has marched through Dargaville and later be welcomed to Piringatahi Marae, West Harbour,Tamaki Makaurau/Auckland....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Communities Still Count
    The efforts of many organisations to influence the electorate and the political parties they voted for in the lead up to the 2014 Election is over. The voting public has spoken and provided a strong endorsement to the centre-right National...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Eleven social enterprises get ready to take off
    Eleven teams from across the country will take part in the Launchpad, Ākina’s programme to get social enterprise ideas off the ground....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • An open letter to the Prime Minister
    in which Transparency International New Zealand asks the Prime Minister to ensure integrity underpins all work he leads "in the best interests of all New Zealanders"...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Paula Bennett ‘great work’ acknowledged – McVicar
    “Paula Bennett, as Minister of Social Development, has contributed significantly in lowering our crime rate and preventing further victims.” - McVicar...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Key’s Restraint in Propping up ACT Welcomed
    The Taxpayers’ Union is welcoming the announcement that ACT MP David Seymour will not be appointed as a Minister....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Only Concession is from the Taxpayer
    Responding to the confidence and supply agreement reached between John Key and Peter Dunne’s United Future Party, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A Tent for Any Tenant
    AUT students and Salvation Army Manukau Community Ministries team up to raise awareness, as South Auckland’s housing situation moves from crisis to collapse...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Cycle Safety Panel Draft Report Seeks Comments
    The Cycle Safety Panel Draft Report and Recommendations was published on 25th September 2014 and the panel are inviting comments. Lucinda Rees from NZ School Speeds, the organisation campaigning for consistent speed limits outside schools, is encouraged...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Labour’s Review – Terms of Reference Agreed
    Labour's Review - Terms of Reference Agreed Following a meeting of its ruling New Zealand Council yesterday, Labour has released the terms of reference for the comprehensive review initiated following its 2014 election result. The review will comprise three...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • The final countdown for Kiwi smokers
    There are just two days left until many smokers stubb out their cigarettes for the last time and embark on Stoptober – New Zealand’s first national quit-smoking month....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • “In A Democracy People Win And People Lose”
    “In A Democracy People Win And People Lose” – Chris Hipkins Labour Senior Whip I would say to all of the caucus and all of the members let's actually hear the arguments from the people who want to be leader,...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Campaign to make Murder of Unborn ”Safe and Legal”
    The IPPF have launched an international campaign through its 161 affiliates including the New Zealand Family Planning Association [NZFPA] to make the murder of the unborn safe and legal and accepted as a human right. This is an acceleration of...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Grant Robertson Labour leader hopeful on TVNZ Q+A
    “Look I think what we need to be is relevant, clear and consistent with New Zealanders about the Labour Party's values,” said Labour leader hopeful Grant Robertson on TVNZ’s Q+A programme....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Labour Needs to Get House in Order Before Deciding Leader
    Ex Labour party leader and possible repeat contender David Shearer says the Labour Party is going about the post-election period in the wrong way....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Hate merchants at it again with smear tactics
    “It’s disappointing to see the hate merchants at it again with yet another attempt to smear and silence a health professional who’s doing research they disagree with,” says Ian Powell, Executive Director of the Association of Salaried Medical Specialists...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Women’s group heartened by response to promo girls
    The National Council of Women of New Zealand is heartened by the strong response to the inappropriate use of bikini-clad girls at a technology expo....
    Scoop politics | 27-09
  • Owen interviews Jim Anderton, Helen Kelly and Selwyn Pellet
    Lisa Owen interviews Jim Anderton, Helen Kelly and Selwyn Pellet ___________________________________________ The Nation on TV3, 9.30am Saturdays and 10am Sundays. Check us out online , on Facebook or on Twitter . Tell us what you think at thenation@mediaworks.co.nz or text...
    Scoop politics | 27-09
  • Owen interviews Mark Boyd, Jonathan Milne and John Minto
    Lisa Owen interviews Mark Boyd, Jonathan Milne and John Minto ___________________________________________ The Nation on TV3, 9.30am Saturdays and 10am Sundays. Check us out online , on Facebook or on Twitter . Tell us what you think at thenation@mediaworks.co.nz or text...
    Scoop politics | 27-09
  • Prime Time on Labour
    Mike Smith - former General Secretary of the NZ Labour Party Jim McAloon, Assoc Prof, Victoria University of Wellington History Department (currently writing official history of the Labour Party) Rob Salmond, consultant to Labour Leader's office and...
    Scoop politics | 27-09
  • Korero Mai Ki Ahau – Saturday 27 & Sunday 28 September 2014
    Saturday 27 September 2014 | One million people voted for National in last week’s election. Another million didn’t vote at all. In Kia Korero Mai this week, Eru Morgan talks to political commentator Henare Kingi about the figures and what...
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • On The Nation this weekend: Labour, National, The Media
    This weekend on The Nation… Labour’s had its worst election result in 92 years, so what happens next? We’ll talk to former Labour president Jim Anderton, CTU president Helen Kelly, and tech entrepreneur and past donor Selwyn Pellett about the...
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • Red Cross, Pacific leaders prepare for cyclone season
    The New Zealand Red Cross Pacific Advisory Group, met for the first time this week, to develop a disaster response plan for the upcoming Pacific cyclone season, which is forecast to be severe....
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • Teachers support PM’s call for solutions to child poverty
    NZEI Te Riu Roa is pleased to hear that the Prime Minister is calling for new ideas to address child poverty....
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • First batch of household protection kits arrives in Liberia
    Kits containing protective gear will equip a network of community-based Ebola care centres nationwide...
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • Dr Paul Hutchison praised for work to reduce child poverty
    The Association of Salaried Medical Specialists (ASMS) has thanked retiring National MP Dr Paul Hutchison for his work to reduce child poverty....
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • Bag snatch hero deserves a medal – McVicar
    The Justice Spokesman for the Conservative Party, Garth McVicar, is calling for the woman known as the bag-snatch hero to be awarded a medal for bravery....
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • Police Remembrance Day
    This week, Police staff and others have been wearing the distinctive huia feather-shaped Police Remembrance Pin as they reflect on those who have lost their lives in service to the society they swore to protect. Police Remembrance Day falls on...
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • Affordable Auckland Attacks Creeping Apartheid
    Affordable Auckland Leader Stephen Berry is disturbed by developments increasing the number of local body regions choosing racially based representation. The Waikato and Bay of Plenty Regional Councils already have Maori wards, while New Plymouth...
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • Dairy Strategy Proving to be a Disaster
    The intensification of the dairy industry is proving to be a disaster, says SAFE. This comes after the forecast 2015 milk price payout was cut 12% by Fonterra this week. “Last year, the government effectively gave the green light for...
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • Where Next for the Left?
    26 September 2014 A discussion of the post-election prospects for radicals, facilitated by Fightback. 6pm | Monday 28th September | 19 Tory St [ Facebook event ]...
    Scoop politics | 26-09
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