web analytics

A quick question

Written By: - Date published: 11:02 am, August 29th, 2012 - 81 comments
Categories: benefits, class war, drugs, national - Tags: , ,

Bennett (playing the distraction card) is pushing her drug testing policy again:

Drug testing of beneficiaries will come into force next year, with penalties for those who fail tests – including have to reimburse the cost of the test and having welfare payments stopped.

Social Development Minister Paula Bennett announced today pre-employment drug testing will take effect from next July and beneficiaries with work expectations will face sanctions if they refuse to apply for drug-tested jobs.

I have posted this question before, and no right-wing commenter fronted up with a satisfactory answer. So I’m going to ask the question again. Hey Nats (and anyone else who supports this policy) – what is going to happen to the people who have their benefit terminated under this policy? How will they live? Do you care?

81 comments on “A quick question”

  1. kiwi_prometheus 1

    They go clean on their own or via a program, no more drugs, they get some of my hard earned tax money again.

    If the useless good for nothings decide to keep taking drugs, they can do it on their own dime. Probably facing prison sometime, at this point I don’t really care.

    • mike e 1.1

      gangs that are already flourishing with high unemployment will ‘grow’ exponentially.

      • fnjckg 1.1.1

        Yep! Shes’ Mighty

      • kiwi_prometheus 1.1.2

        Dismantle the gangs. They are a cancer on civil society. They have become ever more wealthier and more sophisticated under Left and Right – business, accountants, lawyers etc. Destroy them.

        Lock em up forever, or death penalty after a few months amnesty to give up their patches, and dissolve.

        • marty mars 1.1.2.1

          I have some tinysmall sympathy with your view that business, accountants, lawyers etc. Destroy them. Lock em up forever, and all the rest – but you are being a bit harsh – they are people too you know and sure they are leeches but that’s the system they are trying to survive and prosper under – you are part of and helped create and maintain that system and can you truthfully state that you’ve never used business, accountancy or legal ‘services’ – but sure they got their degrees on your hard earned taxes.

        • mike e 1.1.2.2

          KP How many Rednecks have tried that BS line.
          1987 Ropa report came up with solutions none of them have been acted on.
          So how are you going to stop gangs kp loud mouthing which is all your good at.

    • QoT 1.2

      I understand it’s actually a lot easier for addicts to “go clean” when they’re homeless and starving. Trufax.

      • kiwi_prometheus 1.2.1

        I mentioned programs, Miss QT.

        • QoT 1.2.1.1

          Drug programmes now offer housing and support for entire families? Wow. Are these programmes funded by your magical TAXPAYAH DOLLAHS by any chance?

          • kiwi_prometheus 1.2.1.1.1

            Sorry cupcake, breaks over gotta get back to the grind, unlike your little dope head bludger pals. :roll:

      • aerobubble 1.2.2

        The problem with the policy is it discriminates, as people who work under the influence
        of drugs will not lose family credits, people who drive drugged will not lose their tax rebates,
        only people – many the poorest – will be forced to give up or lose basic income social security.
        When applying for a driving license will you have to under go a drugs test?

        But the worst aspect is that a person, not on a benefit, has the choice not to accept a
        job where a drug test is mandated, and will never be threatened with starvation.

        You can even imagine that the unemployment grapevine would see that addict
        would immediately claim to have an offer for a job whenever a timber company offers
        open positions.

        But worse! What is an addict does go cold turkey, gets the job and then restarts, only
        then to have an accident and end up on ACC???? Or even worse, just ups their criminality
        to cover the loss in benefit and ends up in jail (at 10x the cost to the taxpayer).

        • gnomic 1.2.2.1

          “When applying for a driving license will you have to under go a drugs test?”

          Yes, that’s the way it’s heading under BrighterFutureUnderNationalWorld.

          The totalitarian state will protect you if you are compliant.

    • Hayden 1.3

      So now you’re paying not only to feed and house them, but to guard them as well? I’d care about that.

      • kiwi_prometheus 1.3.1

        I think most of them would clean themselves up. Probably the first time in their lives they actually get a signal that what they are doing is wrong. They definitely aren’t getting the message from the Bleeding Hearts Brigade.

        • Carol 1.3.1.1

          Ah Bleeding hearts…. a term I heard by Nat MPs in parliament today – current term to cover for a lack of real answer to humanitarian arguments re-poverty?

        • North 1.3.1.2

          It’s “they they they they they……..” is it Ki’ Pro’ ?

          Brilliant !

          Just what Key and Bennett want.

          In a move with some very worrying fish hooks in it according to some pretty powerful authority,
          Key and Bennett have got a bunch of righteous wankers sneeringly muttering “they they they they they”.

          In the meantime Key forges ahead on behalf of Wall Street/City of London, him and his in other words.

          So biddable Ki’ Pro’. And a good sprinkling of the bully as well.

    • vto 1.4

      kiwi-prometheus “If the useless good for nothings decide to keep taking drugs, they can do it on their own dime. Probably facing prison sometime, at this point I don’t really care.”

      kiwi-prometheus, you illustrate perfectly the great con and lie that is being pulled here. You have been sucked in.

      Think about it – this policy is about impairment in the workplace. But you have taken it to mean what people do with their entire life. It is not about what they do outside work hours. Bloody wake up you fool. You have been conned.

      On top of that, try thinking about this. The drug tests do not even test impairment in the workplace. Conned again.

      wake up.

      • kiwi_prometheus 1.4.1

        Me sucked in?

        All the Feminist on here are busy spending their time sticking pins into Assange voodoo dolls. The CIA tools.

        If you’re getting my hard earned taxpayer money, don’t spend it on drugs.

        I doubt genuine job seekers would care, I certainly wouldn’t, I have to do tests when applying for work in the field I’m in.

        While I am all for welfare, I’ve seen too many good for nothings milking the system – fucking it up for EVERYONE ELSE. And no one Left or Right deals with it because its all terribly PC – ooohhh think if the children boo hoo!

        • Draco T Bastard 1.4.1.1

          Me sucked in?

          Yes, you’ve been sucked in. Possibly as much as 2% of beneficiaries use drugs and that includes alcohol. This program will cost far more than it will ever save, it isn’t going to get any one into employment simply because there isn’t any jobs and it’s also one more step on the road to totalitarianism that this government is taking us down.

          I doubt genuine job seekers would care

          And I suspect that you’re wrong about that. It’s not the governments nor the employers right to say what people do in their own time. It only becomes their right when what they’re doing interferes or endangers others at which point they would have the right to do a drugs test.

        • vto 1.4.1.2

          Kiwi prometheus, you didn’t even read my post did you because you have just gone and done it again. i.e. remain sucked in.

          Please re-read my psot and see if you can understand what it says.

          • fatty 1.4.1.2.1

            If we were wondering about the effectiveness of this policy, Kiwi prometheus provides evidence that it works. Its difficult not to be amused by KP’s reaction, but at the same time its also scary…how many other people have this kind of reaction?

            • Mike 1.4.1.2.1.1

              I was amused at first, but the more posts of his (assume) I read, I actually feel pretty sad that there are still so many like him with similar attitudes and so easily manipulated. I’m positive we’re devolving as a species.

        • vto 1.4.1.3

          In addition, mr nothink, when you provide this reason “If you’re getting my hard earned taxpayer money, don’t spend it on drugs.” then you had better apply it to everyone who receives a taxpayer-funded benefit e.g. Pensioners, families receiving WFF, solo mothers, sickness beneficiaries, all politicians. Otherwise you look pretty empty and judgmental and nasty.

          Plus you will need to apply alcohol to that as well because, if you recall, this is about impairment in the workplace. You cannot be under the influence of drugs, and nor can you be under the influence of alcohol. So following your brainless logic anybody under each of those above groups who has a drink at any time gets their WFF, super, dpb, salary, etc docked.

    • weka 1.5

      “They go clean on their own or via a program, no more drugs, they get some of my hard earned tax money again.”

      How many beneficiaries take drugs and are not addicted?

      And presumably the people that grow their own drugs will be exempt, as there is no cost to the taxpayers.

    • MarUnoTre 1.6

      What do you think happens when you mix survival instincts with drug dependence? Its not a happy outcome for society.

    • fnjckg 1.7

      not at all actual-factual; having the best time of my life. Praise God brother
      so, im giving up soon any way so na na, ni na na….

  2. Peter 2

    When I read the policy there was no mention of a total benefit cut – it’s 50% penalty.

    • framu 2.1

      despite the fact that you can get your benefit cut completely. were talking a 50% cut from an benefit level that is already 20% lower than what is required to survive.

      • fnjckg 2.1.1

        We all know whu this is targetting bro,
        just cant pull down that fence or remove that beam, can they

    • mike e 2.2

      failure to provide a clean sample the third time will lead to a complete cut.

  3. shorts 3

    from watching the TV3 news coverage last night they said that if the test was positive they get a warning, another test a month later lead to a 50% reduction and one more positive a month after that was 100%, ie loss of benefit

    as cannabis can stay in your blood for up to 3 months (heavy users)… that first positive test could lead to a loss of benefit regardless of any behaviour change, I assume

    harsh… not if you switch to meth

    • framu 3.1

      also – what the right of appeal like with this? is there even one?

      false positives, etc etc

      there must be a way to question a result (surely thats a legal requirement if the govt is using it to sanction people) – which will lead to every single failed result being appealed. And they cant cut your benefit while a case is under appeal.

      • lostinsuburbia 3.1.1

        And probably use the lowest bid lab test service, which will give how many false positives I wonder?

    • infused 3.2

      That heavy use stay in your blood is bullshit. I know this for fact. Back in 2001 I went for a factory job. Being young, I smoked it most days. I stopped two weeks before my test. Passed.

      • framu 3.2.1

        staying in blood – your probably right, but it can and does stay in your fat cells for several weeks – and it is possible to pick that up on a test. Just cause you passed doesnt make it bullshit

        • shorts 3.2.1.1

          I got the heavy use term from wiki… I’d rather trust that as a source of information that what happened to you infused – no disrespect.

          I’d imagine that it differs from person to person… as does what constitutes heavy, mild or light use and the potency of that smoked or ingested as part of that usage and how long it resides in blood cells and/or fat tissue

      • fnjckg 3.2.2

        woteva

      • Mike 3.2.3

        If you are a heavy pot smoker then the THC metabolites will usually stay in your fat cells for a lot longer than 2 weeks. (up to 90 days for some)

        Occasional users can pass after 2 weeks or less most of the time. When you say you smoked it most days, how many joints per day? If you were a heavy user as you say, and were smoking for say a year before the test, then it is very doubtful you would pass a urine test after just 2 weeks without any pot.

        On a side note, what’s “being young” got to do with anything? Sort of insulting to young people.

        Then again, I think you’re probably full of shit. Sorry, I just say it how I see it.

  4. Frida 4

    Good question, Rob. I’ve often wondered the same thing and asked it of friends and family who come out in favour of policies like this. I’ve never had a satisfactory answer, just more chest-beating.

    If a 50% penalty is indeed the answer, then it’s not satisfactory either (given the recently published findings on the gap between rich and poor and the way so many of the latter are struggling to make ends meet).

    So, I endorse your question and await a response as well. What happens to such people when they can’t pay rent, can’t buy food etc etc? We just turn a blind eye?! Is that the society we’ve become??

    As people have said today in another post, reverse the bloody tax cuts. I also never wanted it, don’t need it and would give it up tomorrow to see a return to more egalatarian NZ

    • Mike 4.1

      I’m not a right winger or Nat supporter, but I can tell you.

      Firstly, they stop paying the rent so landlords miss out on their subsidy and have to wait 90 days to get new tenants in.

      Then they either:

      – Get clean, apply for another job and get the job. (not very likely and no jobs currently anyway)
      – Spiral downward into petty crime to fuel their addiction, becoming a real burden on society.
      – Become drug dealers to get an income.

      • fatty 4.1.1

        Their best option under this policy would be to start using drugs heavily to the point that they are considered ‘addicted’ and get on a sickness benefit. That’s what I would do in that situation…its the logical option

  5. Dr Terry 5

    In the end there IS a total benefit cut. Let us never associate the National Government with any genuine kind of “care” toward human beings. Their only care is to “balance the books”, i.e. money.

    Again, I suggest that Bennett introduce drug testing for employers (and politicians?). We could see some interesting results!

  6. Bored 6

    Some scenarios here:
    * The spin doctors in National are garnering the RWNJ vote because we Kiwis are well know punitive sorts who like kicking those already on the floor.
    * Bennett actually believes what she is saying (maybe given she would be unlikely to be within 50% of a MENSA qualifying score).
    * Something big and nasty is going down, Paula is the smokescreen (or a very large obstruction in line of sight).
    * Keys mob are totally out of control and the Shonkster has failed dismally to manage them.

    Fekked if I know which it is.

    • Newt 6.1

      My money is on “All of the above but they will crow loudest about whichever looks to work best”

  7. vto 7

    .
    But the drug tests do not test impairment in the workplace. All they do is test whether people have taken drugs any time over the previous up to 3 weeks.

    So in all fairness then anyone who has had a bit too much to drink in the previous up to 3 weeks must also face these sanctions. It is all about impairment in the workplace, isn’t it?

  8. vto 8

    .
    On top of the lie that is this policy, the penalty will have no effect on aything to do with employment.

  9. Tiger Mountain 9

    To answer Anthony: it would appear they don’t care. That is why extra prison beds are on the way. And why newly cut off bennies and their kids will further populate gargages, vehicles and sofas around the country. WINZ wants people off the books pure and simple even if some eventually ‘churn’ back onto a benefit weeks or months later. It looks good for a little while.

    Capitalism requires a reserve pool of labour to help keep wages low. ‘They’ indeed do not care.

  10. weka 10

    What I don’t understand is why National even care if poor people take drugs. What does it matter?

    According to r0b’s link, WINZ have a list of jobs that require drug testing (40% of jobs). Does anyone have that list?

    “She said the crackdown would involve up to 1300 beneficiaries a year getting treatment for drug dependency.

    …Some people on prescribed medicine will be exempt and people with addiction will be supported with their dependency.”

    Right, because access to recovery services is working really well for drug users already :roll: Is the subtext there that they will leave addicts alone?

    It also begs the question of what they are testing for.

    • Tiger Mountain 10.1

      They are mostly testing reactions I reckon and running the diversion tactic.

      The nats are vote herding by using the fear and loathing of certain groups towards benefit recipients. Unfortunately low paid workers and self employed workers are some of the worst bennie bashers going due to “last place aversion”.

      • The Woodpecker 10.1.1

        ” last place aversion” I don’t dissagree with you TM, but I sure as hell don’t understand it either.

    • mike 10.2

      “What I don’t understand is why National even care if poor people take drugs.”

      They don’t. National couldn’t care less about what poor people do, nor they problems. This is about:

      a) Keeping benes demonized to justify this welfare cut and future welfare cuts. Thus helping to maintain a large group of people desperate to work for low wages.

      b) Dog-whistling to core Nat voters who have been conditioned to hate ‘druggies’ and ‘dole bludgers’, a winner of a dog-whistling combo.

      c) Distracting people from focusing on things that actually matter, like the damning child poverty report that came out on the very same day, or the stumbling asset sales that don’t make any sense except from a rob the poor and give to the rich standpoint, and that even Nat voters don’t want.

  11. BernyD 11

    Paula Bennet is using the Phase “Recreational Drugs” a lot.

    The fact is these people are taking drugs because they are sick, wether they realise it or not.
    A drug test wont answer that question at all, and realistically those people will just get sicker with this policy.

    People take drugs because they are in pain, it makes them feel better, so they keep doing it.

    If they had respect for doctors and other people in authority they may come to realise that they are sick in a “Civilised” sense, the rest will just keep taking it no the chin.

  12. Bastables 12

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-february-2-2012/poor-pee-ple

    The funny thing is bashing the poor seems to be a right wing thing. American experience has actually shown drug use to be lower for poor/onwelfare than the general population. It’s also shown to be an expensive program.

    And of course the argument has to be made when can we expect Members of parliament to prove they’ve not been taking drugs while being paid in public funds and representing the Crown.

    P Bennet needs to pass a RFL/Required fitness level and a drug test, much like the cops and the defence force I think.

  13. tracey 13

    Given drug use is illegal, why noy make drug testing compulsory in all workplaces punisheable by dismissal… Any company directors testing positive get criminally charged…

    • mike 13.1

      Given that Paula B has a history of releasing confidential information on political opponents, why should she be trusted with the results of these degrading drug tests?

      Are there any legal minds here who have any thoughts on whether or not being drug tested to qualify for a public service is a violation of human rights?

      And to answer your question Tracey, (and yes I know you’re not serious), because we live in a free society where what you do in your own time is your own f*cking business as long as you’re not bothering anyone else.

      • Tracey 13.1.1

        That’s what I thought, except if you are “poor”. I also wouldn’t trust Ms Bennett with my drug test results, afterall I’m not sure she can even sit on a toilet seat the right way round

    • Richard Down South 13.2

      Can we test those in Parliament at random please?

    • Mary 13.3

      Perhaps every employee should lose their job, and every beneficiary lose their benefit if they break any law? That makes sense, eh? Ooh, I shouldn’t be saying such things in case it gives Labour ideas.

  14. Feargal 14

    Paula Bennett is a brilliant minister, drug testing Beneficiaries is a scientifically proven way of creating more real jobs. Next year she is going to bring in witchcraft testing for beneficiaries. And we all be fully employed

  15. Roy 15

    I think that if this is introduced, it should apply to MPs, Police and superannuatants as well.

  16. fnjckg 16

    Wow! Dig This!
    Disease accounts-bodily abnormalities-biomedical/physical interventions

    Illness accounts-centred also on body but also on ones’ social/community interactions

    Disorder accounts-without neglect to either body or social/communal, also attends to one’s relationship with world at large (sphere)(ok, sphere is i) Experiences as out of order
    The recovery of well-being in this case-putting the world back together

    Robert A. Hahn’s ‘Sickness and Healing: An anthropological Perspective’.

    ya gotta luv the Word

  17. fabregas4 17

    What if you work steadfastly for 30 years – lose your job through no fault of your own – can’t find another – need some help- is it treating folk with dignity to firstly head them off for a drug test?

  18. Bryan 18

    I look forward to random testing of the ultimate beneficiaries – MPs.
    I understand a drug of choice is alcohol – random urine testing so that those with alcohol in their system are not allowed in the house. Ethyl glucuronide and %CDT testing to identify those with ongoing booze problems.
    But most definitely stop their bloody benefits.
    In fact let’s close the bars within parliament so these beneficiaries don’t drink during work time.
    and cut out the flow of alcohol at state functions.
    We can issue them with WINZ monitored cash cards so that they try to spend any of their benefits on cigarettes or potato chips etc etc the funds will be stopped.
    GPS bracelets FOR OUR SERVANTS so they can be located at all times that they are on our (taxpayer) payroll.
    Tracking also may be useful to spouses/partners who suspect the kind of tawdry cheating that goes on in the hotbeds of power.

  19. feijoa 19

    Unemployed people who have had the benefit cut completely probably have only 2 choices
    -begging
    -crime

    welcome to Nationals brighter future

    Don’t forget the unemployed are not the cause of our economic woes, they are the RESULT

    • kiwi_prometheus 19.1

      “Don’t forget the unemployed are not the cause of our economic woes, they are the RESULT”

      Sure, but there are a whole lot of no hopers too.

      I don’t see any problem with targeting those ones, compelling them to clean up their act. Drug free is the way to go.

      • Tracey 19.1.1

        So you are happy for your hard earned taxpayer money (as you call it) to go on creating a process (expensive), testing (expensive – and you can say you will take the costs from the benefit but frankly that’s a nonsense because you can’t get blood from a stone) will be paid upfront by the taxpayer, enforcement will cost, and treatment programmes (costly). Now this is for a similar number of people to the number who avoid tax each year… I haven’t noticed a similar regime against the later.

        Going to attampt to hit you with some facts

        “1. Anyone who wants to get off welfare can get a job.

        No, they can’t. In the last two months of 2010, the number of people receiving the dole rose by 4,536 to 67,084, and rose again in January to 68, 087. The number of people out of work stands at 158,000. One in three of the people currently on the dole were over 40 years of age – and many of them suffer from age discrimination in the job market. (There were 112,865 people on a domestic purposes benefit at the end of December, 85,105 on an invalid’s benefit and 59,988 on a sickness benefit.)”

        “2. People on welfare commit a lot of benefit fraud, at the expense of hard-working people

        The evidence for the existence of widespread benefit fraud is paltry to non-existent – despite the fact that a special fraud intelligence unit was set up in the Social Welfare department in 2007 to detect it. Last year, the department checked 29 million records, and found the benefit fraud rate (as a proportion of the total benefits paid) was a miniscule 0.10 per cent. A declining number of prosecutions – from 937 in 2009 to 789 last year – resulted.

        Of the $16 million in benefit fraud detected last year, a proportion was carried out by social welfare staff – ten of whom were sacked last year for ripping off the system – and not by beneficiaries themselves. While any level of benefit fraud is unacceptable, the $16 million a year currently being incurred is hardly an intolerable burden. Currently, New Zealanders spend $16,1 million a day on impulse purchases.

        Moreover, other forms of unacceptable behaviour leave benefit fraud far behind in the dust without attracting the same negative stereotypes. The major foreign owned banks for instance finally agreed in late 2009 – and only after being pursued at great expense through the courts by the IRD – to cough up $2.2 billion of what they owed in unpaid taxes. Meaning : the settlement figure this case alone was about 140 times greater than the total amount lost in benefit fraud last year.. ”

        “5. Most of the people on welfare are unmarried mothers – many of them teenagers – who have extra children so that they can get more money

        This is a hoary old myth that combines the resentment of beneficiaries in general, with prurient resentment of the sexy young having too much sex. In fact, the US and New Zealand evidence is that young people are having less sex, later than their parents’ generation.

        The Salvation Army’s recently published State of the Nation report contains similar positive findings for New Zealand :

        Teenage pregnancies and abortions have fallen during 2009, which is perhaps welcome news that there are fewer unplanned pregnancies. The number of 11–14 year olds giving birth or having an abortion dropped from 122 in 2008, to 108 in 2009….Although this decline is on a very small base, this number of pregnancies is the lowest in at least eight years. For older teenagers aged 15-19 years old, there was a 10% decline in the rate of pregnancies between 2008 and 2009

        Such figures help contradict Key’s scaremongering use of the young as a pretext for welfare reform. More to the point, the NZ figures on DPB recipients do not bear out Key’s specific assertion about ‘significant numbers of very young women going onto the DPB and staying there for a lifetime.”

        “In fact, only 3.1 % of those on the DPB are under 20 years of age – and that figure has barely flickered since 2005, when the figure was 2.9 %. Put another way, 97% of the people on the DPB are NOT the ‘very young women’ of Key’s lurid imagination. There are in fact, significantly more people on the DPB over 55 years of age (5.6%) than there are ‘very young women’ receiving this benefit.

        The vast bulk of DPB recipients (nearly 75%) are what you would expect : they are aged between 25 and 54. Some 61% of them are caring for children six years or under – a figure that, again, has barely changed since 2005. Nearly half are caring for two or more dependent children. ”

        ” Lots of people are on welfare for years and years, and then their children and grandchildren become welfare dependent.

        This myth is based on stereotypes about the chronically shiftless and teemingly fertile poor. Lets stick with the DPB for a moment. Since the DPB involves the care of children who are dependent at least until they are 18, you’d think it would reflect lifetime dependency very strongly. Yet instead, over two thirds of DPB recipients (67.7%) are on the DPB for less than four years. More than a quarter of them (26%) are on it for less than a year, even during the recession. If this is a lifestyle choice, it is hardly a fashionable one.

        Looking across all forms of benefits, 61.4 % of recipients are benefit dependent for four years or less. Only 14.3 % are on benefits for more than ten years – and since those figures include people with chronic physical and mental disabilities, the ratio of those staying on benefits because it is a “lifetime, lifestyle choice’ is lower again. In an excellent piece last year, Tim Watkin made much the same point :

        Of the 28,701 people who have been on the sickness benefit for a year or more, 40% of them have psychological or psychiatric conditions. Given that we have to run ad campaigns to reassure New Zealanders that even people with depression, let alone more serious mental health issues, can be good workers, does that number seem outlandishly large to you?

        Again, people who are temporarily in need of assistance – and who are using that help and moving on as quickly as most of them can – are being stigmatized in the cause of fixing what is virtually a non-existent problem.”

        see myths of welfare by werewolf Gordon Campbell

        K Prometheus, repeating a nonsense until it is believed and then repeating it with the passion of a believer doesn’t turn nonsense into fact, just widely believed nonsense. The Emperor has No Clothes was a basic story for children. Many adults need to re-read it.

  20. Herodotus 20

    What ever requirements the Government imposes on the masses the same should apply to the law makers. Love to see a drug and alcohol testing program being applied to all in parliament. And should they not be in parliament then like WADA have roving testers when MP’s are on the clock. Whats good for the goose ….

    • Tracey 20.1

      Conveniently though, one of the worst “drugs” in our society is legal… alcohol. The hypocrisy abounds…

  21. Jenny 21

    A better question for the Nats might be this:

    If I pass this test will the government guarantee me a job?

    • Tracey 21.1

      1++ very well done

    • Augustus 21.2

      Concur, Jenny. A drug test before starting a job makes sense, if the drug test is the last remaining barrier between the applicant and the job. If there is one job and 30 applicants, only one needs testing, the one who would be impaired when doing it.
      Everything else is harassment. IMO you can’t test hordes of people for one job, especially if the result leaves unsuccessful candidates seriously disadvantaged.
      How many people does WINZ send after one job?

    • gnomic 21.3

      Not a ghost of a chance; not the business they’re in. After all, the destruction is constructive. You don’t want to be mollycoddled by the nanny state surely? There are no guarantees. Life wasn’t meant to be easy.

      “I was a merchant banker; what can I say?” The smirking weasel disclaiming ever having earned an honest living.

  22. Julian 22

    My pot smoking has not killed or harmed anyone yet?
    Assholes like ‘kiwi_prometheus’ are more of a cancer on our fair society that a little weed in your system!

    • felix 22.1

      kiwi_prometheus is a crack head. Best ignored.

      • lprent 22.1.1

        Nah. Reckon that he is addicted to talkback radio. Once you strip away the polished tones then you hear them appealing to that same idiotic group. It is either that or a evangalician cult. Once you strip away the…

        Addiction to other drugs is either in is past or in his future. He is at his brightest right now.

  23. gnomic 23

    k_p is without doubt a troll, and not in any way a person interested in discussing ideas. It may even be a bot, they probably have artificial intelligence that can spew out this sort of rubbish.

    Or perhaps k_p is Lee Kuan Yew. I claim my $50 million $ Singapore.

    The next step in the evil agenda is presumably to ape the USA and ban felons from voting and enjoying any benefits from the state such as subsidised housing or educational assistance. Likewise residents in subsidised housing will also have to satisfy the state there is nothing bad in their bloodstream. Rebstock could be the conduit for this particular strand of neo-fascism, Bennett’s brain so to speak.

    Not quite sure what the objective is in producing a group of homeless and hungry people whose crime was smoking ganja. It is after all a medicinal herb. Probably good to have some bad people to scapegoat, and perhaps imprison. Why not confiscate any property they may have as well.

    Just as well technology will soon make it possible to sniff out the miscreants amongst the sheeple from a distance as they trudge along the pavements or log in with their biometrics. The war on drugs will finally end in victory, unless you’re talking about the synthetic products of big pharma required to alleviate the diseases induced in the population by the pseudo-foods churned out by the agri-chemical complex.

    Why not an open prison surrounded by the sea with the serfs wearing invisible fetters?

    Any other questions?

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • Who are they going to call?
    A cry for help from New Zealand’s longest-running crisis line highlights chronic underfunding of the sector by the Government, Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette King says. “Lifeline is THE go-to helpline for people in crisis, taking up to 180,000 calls each ...
    2 hours ago
  • Five months too long for homeless to wait
    New figures revealing homeless people registered with Work and Income are waiting an average of 155 days to be housed shows the Government is totally overwhelmed by the housing crisis, Labour’s Social Development spokesperson Carmel Sepuloni says. “What’s worse is ...
    17 hours ago
  • Minister in cloud cuckoo land
    Hekia Parata needs a very big reality check if she truly believes every parent has the choice of sending their child to a private school, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. Questioned in the House today about plans to pump ...
    19 hours ago
  • Convention centre failure means years of uncertainty for CBD
    The failure of Gerry Brownlee’s planned convention centre deal leaves Christchurch facing uncertainty about when activity will be restored to the CBD, says Labour’s Canterbury spokesperson Megan Woods. “As one of the CBD’s major anchor projects, the convention centre complex ...
    19 hours ago
  • PCE proves water quality still deteriorating
    The PCE State of the Environment Report shows that river water quality is continuing to get worse across large parts of New Zealand, says Labour’s Environment and Water spokesperson David Parker. “Water quality has deteriorated in Canterbury, Central Otago, Auckland, ...
    22 hours ago
  • Families with new babies victims of today’s veto
    Families with new babies are the victims of an historical “first” for the New Zealand Parliament today. “For the first time ever, a Bill will have a third reading debate and no vote will be taken at the end because ...
    1 day ago
  • Crime on the rise…again!
    The Police Minister’s contention that Police have enough resources to meet the expectations of New Zealand communities is not reflected in the Police’s own statistics, says Labour’s Police spokesperson Stuart Nash.  “Yet again, reported burglaries have increased in every region ...
    1 day ago
  • Private schools beneficiaries of extra cash
    Plans to give more taxpayer money to private schools at a time when state schools are struggling to make ends meet says everything about the National Government’s twisted priorities, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Not only did this year’s ...
    2 days ago
  • Inequality getting worse under National
    Inequality is getting worse under National with almost 60 per cent of the wealth in this country concentrated in the hands of the top 10 per cent according to Statistics NZ figures released today, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson. ...
    2 days ago
  • Government freezes elderly out of insulation subsidy
    Government cuts to the Warm Up New Zealand insulation subsidy means it will now only be available for rental properties and could leave many elderly homeowners cold this winter, Opposition Leader Andrew Little says. “In this year’s Budget the Government ...
    3 days ago
  • Shewan report delivers rebuke to National
    John Shewan’s report into foreign trusts is a rebuke to John Key and the National Party who have protected an industry that has damaged New Zealand’s reputation, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson. “Three years ago the Inland Revenue Department ...
    3 days ago
  • Auckland Airport rail analysis must be made public
    The Government should publicly release its detailed analysis of rail to Auckland Airport before it closes off options, so the public can have an informed debate, says Labour’s Auckland Issues spokesperson Phil Twyford. The Transport Agency today said it is ...
    3 days ago
  • Minister approved OIO consent despite death and investigations
    Louise Upston must say if she knew Intueri was being prosecuted for the death of a student and under a funding investigation when she approved its overseas investment consent to buy another education provider, says Labour’s Land Information and Associate ...
    4 days ago
  • Brexit vote costs NZ effective EU voice
    Despite being extremely close the result of the referendum in Britain reflects the majority voice, Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer says. “While we respect the decision to leave the EU, it goes without saying the move will usher in ...
    6 days ago
  • Pasifika Education Centre doomed
    The Pasifika Education Centre appears doomed to close down this December, says Labour’s Pacific Island Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio  “In a written question I asked the Minister whether he would put a bid in for more money. His answer ...
    6 days ago
  • Onetai Station review a shameful whitewash
    A report released today on the Overseas Investment Office’s (OIO) good character test is a whitewash that does nothing to improve New Zealand’s overseas investment regime, says Labour’s Land Information spokesperson David Cunliffe. “The review of the good character test ...
    6 days ago
  • We need a national strategy to end homelessness now
    Long before I entered Parliament, housing and homelessness were issues dear to my heart. I know from personal experience just how hard it is to find an affordable home in Auckland. In my maiden speech, I talked about how when ...
    GreensBy Marama Davidson
    6 days ago
  • Capital feels a chill economic wind
      Wellington is on the cusp of recession with a sharp fall in economic confidence in the latest Westpac McDermott Miller confidence survey, says Labour’s Regional Development spokesperson David Clark.  “Economic confidence amongst Wellingtonians has dropped 12% in the past ...
    6 days ago
  • Dive school rort took six years to dredge up
    News that yet another private training establishment (PTE) has rorted the Government’s tertiary funding system since 2009 shows that Steven Joyce has no control of the sector, says Labour’s Associate Education (Tertiary) spokesperson David Cunliffe. “Like Agribusiness Training and Taratahi, ...
    7 days ago
  • National’s housing crisis hitting renters hard
    National’s ongoing housing crisis is causing massive rental increases, with Auckland renters being hit the hardest, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. ...
    7 days ago
  • A Day with the PSA
    This week, along with Labour MP Kris Faafoi, I accepted an invitation to spend a day working alongside the good folk at the Public Service Association in Wellington. As the Workplace Relations and Safety spokesperson for the Greens, I was ...
    GreensBy Denise Roche
    7 days ago
  • A Day with the PSA
    This week, along with Labour MP Kris Faafoi, I accepted an invitation to spend a day working alongside the good folk at the Public Service Association in Wellington. As the Workplace Relations and Safety spokesperson for the Greens, I was ...
    GreensBy Denise Roche
    7 days ago
  • Government holds Northland back
    New information shows Northland remains the most economically depressed region in New Zealand, says Labour’s Regional Development spokesperson David Clark. “The latest Westpac McDermott Miller regional survey found that more Northlanders believe their local economy will deteriorate this year than ...
    7 days ago
  • Rebstock report into MFAT leaks a disgrace
    An Ombudsman’s report on the Paul Rebstock investigation into MFAT leaks shows the two diplomats at the centre of the case were treated disgracefully, says Labour’s State Services spokesperson Kris Faafoi.  “The Ombudsman says one of the diplomats Derek Leask ...
    1 week ago
  • More families forced to turn to food banks for meals
    Increasing numbers of families are having to go to food banks just to put a meal on the table, according to a new report that should shame the Government into action, says Labour’s Social Development spokesperson Carmel Sepuloni. ...
    1 week ago
  • We have a housing emergency in New Zealand
    Auckland, New Zealand, where house prices have risen 20 percent in the last year alone We have a housing emergency in New Zealand.  Like many people we are ashamed and angry that in a wealthy country like ours, we have ...
    GreensBy Eugenie Sage
    1 week ago
  • We have a housing emergency in New Zealand
    Auckland, New Zealand, where house prices have risen 20 percent in the last year alone We have a housing emergency in New Zealand.  Like many people we are ashamed and angry that in a wealthy country like ours, we have ...
    GreensBy Eugenie Sage
    1 week ago
  • Aussie reforms signal trouble ahead for school funding plan
    Plans by the Government to return to bulk funding are likely to see increased class sizes and schools most in need missing out on much-needed resources, Labour’s Acting Education spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “The signaled return to bulk funding is ...
    1 week ago
  • Toxic Sites – the down low on the go slow
    In  2011, I negotiated an agreement with the National Government to advance work on cleaning up contaminated sites across the country. This included establishing a National Register of the ten worst sites where the creators of the problem could not ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty
    1 week ago
  • Aucklanders face new motorway tax of up to $2500 a year
    The Government wants to tax Aucklanders thousands of dollars a year just to use the motorway network, says Labour’s Auckland Issues spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Officials estimate the average city commute is 11.8km. This means for the average Aucklander commuting five ...
    1 week ago
  • 15 corrupt bank managers identified in student fraud
    New information show 15 bank managers in India have been identified by Immigration New Zealand as presenting fraudulent documents on behalf of foreign students studying here, Labour’s Immigration spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. “Documents obtained by Labour under the Official Information ...
    1 week ago
  • National leaves Kiwi savers the most vulnerable in OECD
    News last week that Israel’s Finance Minister will insure savers’ bank deposits means New Zealand will be left as the only country in the OECD that has no deposit insurance to protect savers’ funds should a bank fail. Most Kiwis ...
    GreensBy James Shaw
    1 week ago
  • Comprehensive plan for future of work needed
    A Massey University study showing many New Zealanders are unaware of the increasing role of automation in their workplace, highlights the need for a comprehensive plan for the future of work, says Grant Robertson, Chair of Labour’s Future of Work ...
    1 week ago
  • Another National Government failure: 90 day work trials
    On Friday last week, the Treasury released a report by MOTU economic consultants into the effectiveness of the controversial 90-day work trial legislation. The report found that there was “no evidence that the policy affected the number of hires by ...
    GreensBy Denise Roche
    1 week ago
  • Iraq mission extension case not made
    The Prime Minister has not made the case for extending the Iraq deployment another 18 months nor the expansion of their mission, says Opposition Leader Andrew Little.  “Labour originally opposed the deployment because the Iraqi Army’s track record was poor, ...
    1 week ago
  • Denial is a long river
    William Rolleston from Federated Farmers made the absurd claim on RNZ on Saturday that “we actually have very clean rivers”. This statement doesn’t represent the many farmers who know water quality is in big trouble and are working to clean ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty
    1 week ago
  • Denial is a long river
    William Rolleston from Federated Farmers made the absurd claim on RNZ on Saturday that “we actually have very clean rivers”. This statement doesn’t represent the many farmers who know water quality is in big trouble and are working to clean ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty
    1 week ago
  • Melanoma deaths could be avoided by an early access scheme
      The tragic death of Dunedin’s Graeme Dore from advanced Melanoma underlines the cruelty of this Government in promising a treatment but delaying for months, says Labour’s Health Spokesperson Annette King.  “Graeme was diagnosed with Melanoma last year. He used ...
    1 week ago
  • Assessing the Defence White Paper
    The Government’s recently released Defence White Paper has raised questions again about New Zealand’s defence priorities, and in particular the level and nature of public funding on defensive capabilities. The Green Party has a longstanding belief that priority must be ...
    GreensBy Kennedy Graham
    1 week ago
  • Kiwis’ confidence drops again: Economy needs a boost
    Westpac’s consumer confidence survey has fallen for the seventh time in nine quarters, with middle income households ‘increasingly worried about where the economy is heading over the next few years’, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson. “This survey is a ...
    1 week ago
  • Relocation grant simply kicks can down the road
    The response by state house tenants and social agencies to the Government’s rushed plan to shift families out of Auckland tells us what we already knew – this is no answer to the chronic housing shortage, Opposition Leader Andrew Little ...
    1 week ago
  • Peace hīkoi to Parihaka
    On Friday a Green crew walked with the peace hīkoi from Ōkato to Parihaka. Some of us were from Parliament and some were party members from Taranaki and further afield. It was a cloudy but gentle day and at one ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty
    1 week ago
  • Children’s Commissioner right to worry about CYF transition
    The Government must listen to the Children’s Commissioner’s concerns that young people under CYF care could be ‘negatively impacted’ as the new agency’s reforms become reality, says Labour’s Children’s spokesperson Jacinda Ardern. “Dr Russell Wills has used the second annual ...
    1 week ago
  • Bill English exaggerates PPL costs to justify veto
    The Finance Minister has used trumped-up costings to justify a financial veto against parents having 26 weeks paid parental leave, says Labour MP Sue Moroney. “Bill English’s assertion on RNZ yesterday that the measure would cost an extra $280 million ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Government must refund overcharged motorists
    Labour is calling on the Government to refund motor registration fees to three-quarters of a million Kiwi motorists whose vehicles were wrongly classified under National’s shambolic ACC motor vehicle risk rating system, Labour’s ACC spokesperson Sue Moroney says.“Minister Kaye’s ridiculous ...
    2 weeks ago
  • 90-day work trials an unfair failure which must change
    A new Treasury report shows the Government’s 90-day trials haven’t helped businesses and are inherently unfair, Labour’s Workplace Relations spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. “The Motu report found that 90-day trial periods had no impact on overall employment and did not ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Massey East houses a start but Nick Smith should think bigger
    The Massey East 196-home development is a start but the Government must think bigger if it is to end the housing crisis, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “It is great the Government is finally realising it needs to build ...
    2 weeks ago
  • More changes needed to ensure fewer cases like Teina Pora’s
    Teina Pora spent 21 years behind bars for a crime he didn’t commit, shafted by a Police investigation that prioritised an investigator’s hunch over the pursuit of credible evidence. Yesterday’s announcement that the government is to pay him $2.5m in ...
    GreensBy David Clendon
    2 weeks ago
  • New Zealand Labour sends condolences to UK
    The New Zealand Labour Party is sickened and saddened by the murder of British Labour MP Jo Cox, Labour Leader Andrew Little says. “Ms Cox was killed in cold blood while simply doing her job as a constituent MP. She ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Shameful refugee quota increase still leaves NZ at the bottom of the list
    Minister for Immigration Michael Woodhouse announced this week that the government will put off increasing the refugee quota by 1000 places until 2018.  It’s a shameful decision that undermines the Government’s claim that it takes its international humanitarian obligations seriously, ...
    GreensBy Denise Roche
    2 weeks ago

Public service advertisements by The Standard

Current CO2 level in the atmosphere