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Adventures in the slave trade

Written By: - Date published: 9:50 am, October 22nd, 2012 - 74 comments
Categories: capitalism, class war, human rights, poverty, racism, sexism, wages - Tags: ,

Slavery was abolished in the 19th century, wasn’t it?

From wage-slavery to human-trafficking, modern day forms of slavery have many faces, all in the interests of some people making a profit out of the hardship of others.  These various faces of modern day slavery range in severity from harsh and unfair working conditions, to the most devastating forms of human degradation, abuse and oppression.

Today Al Jazeera reported on the impact on his family of the death of a striking South African miner. He was shot dead by police in August. He was working 1000 kilometres away from his meagre home because jobs are scarce.  He travelled that distance to support his wife and children. 34 miners were shot by police when they were striking for more pay. Some strikers became more desperate, and the conflict escalated.

Some modern day slavery is in the form of legal work for greedy corporates.  Other forms are the result of illegal practices spawned by the capitalist ethics of greed and profiteering.  In the UK right now, there is a concern about the increase in human tafficking.  In such cases, women are very often the victims of some of the nastiest forms of slavery in the guise of sex trafficking.  Evidence of this is shown in Deborah Padfield’s article, which is a response to

“The Criminalisation of Migrant Women” by Liz Hales and Loraine Gelsthorpe of Cambridge University’s Institute of Criminology, a report on the experience of trafficked women convicted of crimes including entry into fake marriage, drug importation, cannabis production, street robbery and selling fake goods. As victims of crime, they experienced domestic servitude, rape and aggravated assault, threats and theft of documents, sex and/or labour exploitation and forced participation in crime.

And one of the worst results is that the profiteers organising the trafficking go unrecognised. The trafficked people become victims of a legal system stacked against them, and they are treated as criminals. Padfield reports,

One legal representative refuses to tell the court that his client was forced into sex work lest it prejudice the court against her; through his refusal, he implicitly accepts that such victimhood is treated as culpable. The judiciary appears to have a similarly inadequate understanding of guilt and innocence: “one woman…, when asked in court whether she pleaded guilty or not guilty, stated:  ‘I want to explain to you why I did this.’ The response from the Bench was a sharp retort, ‘We are asking you whether you plead guilty or not guilty.’” Without an exploration of why?, that is an unanswerable question.

I haven’t seen any reports of New Zealand examples of the above devastatig levels of dealings in human misery.  But we do have our own milder versions of modern day slavery.  There was a recent report of the unfair treatment of immigrant nurses.  Some are being forced to work for worse conditions and pay than those experienced by most other nurses.

The Sunday Star-Times revealed earlier this year that trafficking of Filipino nurses has been taking place.

Qualified nurses were being promised nursing work by recruitment agents, but were instead forced to sign into two-year aged care contracts for low pay.

In another case this year, a group of Indian nurses found themselves unable to gain registration in New Zealand after arriving here to study.

And how else can you describe the NAct government’s plan to cut youth wages, other than as wage-slavery. CTU spokesperson, James Sleep says,

“Youth rates are fundamentally unfair, but also flawed. They won’t bring down overall youth unemployment numbers, but switch some low paid, insecure jobs from one group of young workers earning the adult minimum wage, to the cheaper group of youth eligible to earn youth rates. At any one point there will be workers displaced, failing to address the bigger job shortage problem,” …

The above are some very different forms of modern day slavery, with varying degrees of impacts on the victims.  They are all the result of the same underlying cause: human greed enshrined in contemporary capitalist ethics.  You can probably think of other examples, and of different ways this unfair system impacts on the lives of ordinary people.

74 comments on “Adventures in the slave trade”

  1. Fran 1

    You are so right about the differing forms of slavery currently operating in our society. Unfortunately we seem to be living in a society where the powers that be think it is acceptable, even desirable to have a group of people who can be categorized as “less”, a group whose existence makes others feel superior. Such thinking filters down (trickles down!) until the divisions in society become enormous – this is how “class” is established and cemented in and class division is a very good way of controlling populations.

  2. bbfloyd 2

    So, once again, we see proof that, apart from small pockets of light, the human species is still too immature to be ready to take the next step towards true civilisation….

    From an historians perspective, these are interesting times we live in… To be able to map the descent from “glorious empire, and wealth”, back down to yet another “dark age”….Now THAT is a thesis worth getting out of bed to write….

    Too bad none of the writings that could have explained how the descent could have been avoided will survive to be read by whichever remnant of humanity survives the next ice age….We have been celebrating our “brilliant” impermanence for far too long for any real hope that our knowledge will survive in any meaningful form….

    Nothing new here… This was always going to happen whilst we, as a species, continued to try use the same methods that have failed repeatedly throughout human history…

    The real shame, to my mind, is the fact that, even though it is painfully obvious that the “merry pranksters” we have installed as our “leaders” have been bereft of any shred of progressive, forward looking cognisance….A fact underlined by the half witted, self serving methods employed in the promotion of the self destructive, intellectually vacant repeating of mistakes made ad infinitum throughout the entire lifetime of the capitalist system,… by the very agencies charged with the job of maintaining an “informed electorate”…..WE keep electing them, for whatever reason our tiny little minds can latch on to….

    Why are we surprised by this latest attempt to steal “candy from babies”?? The merry pranksters have been waving semaphore flags at us for years now regarding how much they resent the working population having a share of “their” wealth…..Did we honestly expect them to suddenly, diametrically change their central philosophies once confronted with the realities of government?

    Now THAT would be naive, to say the least…

  3. RedLogix 3

    And then of course there is middle class debt slavery.

    I mean think about it. The average home is about 30 years old and was worth about $350,000 when it was built. (In today’s terms.)

    Yet in those 30 years the banks have made at least $1m in interest fees from the various mortgages held on that property. And it never gets paid off.

    This is exactly the same as the old American Company Town model, only with an extra layer of obfuscation thrown in to fool teh rubes.

    • bbfloyd 3.1

      That puts me in mind of a hamster, constantly running inside the wheel…. always looking to his/her own “pot of gold” promised by their “betters”… always in sight, but never close enough to touch…

    • Colonial Viper 3.2

      Can’t wait for debtors’ prisons to start up again. Ah bugger, better not give the pricks ideas eh.

    • RedLogix 5.1

      Interestingly joe rather like the very similar problem with FGM, it is the older women who actively perpetuate the cycle on the younger generation.

      And what happens when these people simply say that these practises are an integral part of the their culture and us middle-class whitey imperialists should butt out?

      At some point cultural relativism breaks down and you have to be able to point to some universal values.

      • Colonial Viper 5.1.1

        A society and it’s culture has to evolve over time. One can encourage it to do so in many different ways. But it takes time, and leaders from within their own people need to show the way.

        Or, one can choose to disrupt those cultures and societies in order to perpetuate ones own values on to those people more directly. The usual age old justification is that the “primitives need civilising”.

        First of all, I think Europe and the US need to deal with the massive issues of human trafficking, indentured labour and forced prostitution within those territories.

        Where there are zero issues of cultural imperialism or cultural relativity. But plenty of criminal profiteering with both politicians and authorities alike turning a blind eye.

        • RedLogix 5.1.1.1

          I’ve always been leery of the limits of cultural relativism. It’s far to easy to justify any behaviour you want as ‘our culture’ and elevate what is really nothing more than a set of social habits to some kind of ethical absolute.

          Here’s an interesting question CV. Part of me clings to the idea that in the long run a globalised humanity will eventually need to point to a universal code of values in order to sustain a global civilisation.

          But can this be achieved without homogenising all the cultures into a ‘coffee coloured’ soup? Rather how the Boeing 747 in making all destinations equally accessible has tended to make them all equally the same?

    • AsleepWhileWalking 5.2

      *grrrrr*

  4. captain hook 6

    as Adam Smith opined in his first major work, The Theory Of Moral Sentiments, what gives human beings the most psychological satisfaction is command over labour.
    so inmost respects economic dominance is just a smokescreen to bend others to your will and make them obey or face the consequences.
    i.e. personal annihilation
    so the belief that economics is to provide material satisfaction is more marxist false consciousness.
    and Karol, fyi, the use of interrogatives is dishonest, disrespectful and an invalid mode of argument.
    isn’t it.

    • RedLogix 6.1

      Yes. Adam Smith would be appalled at how his work has been selectively misrepresented and used to justify an economic theory utterly anti-ethical to him.

      Smith’s ‘invisible hand’ idea was only a very small part of his ideas, and even he recognised that the idea was largely an hypothetical stalking horse … whose completely unrealistic assumptions more or less proved that ‘free markets’ do not exist in the real world.

      • Colonial Viper 6.1.1

        Yep. In his theory of moral sentiments, Smith also said that it was the nature of humans to want to benefit others and see others happy, even if it was for no direct advantage to oneself.

        Keynes effectively shot down every major aspect of Classical Economics and the more recent Neoclassical version is only classical economics suped up with a complexity of highly elegant looking maths.

        Which the likes of Steve Keen has shown to be completely unsatisfactory and wrong-headed theoretically, and which the likes of NZ has shown to be completely unsatisfactory and wrong-headed in real life.

    • karol 6.2

      Karol, fyi, the use of interrogatives is dishonest, disrespectful and an invalid mode of argument.


      Mmm… I tend not to use questions in written articles or essays that have more space for developing an argument.  In the relatively limited space of a blog post, where people have the opportnity to respond or provide an alternative view, I use them more to indicate contentious or debateable points, or ones where people can add their own views or develop the argument.
       
      In this post, it quickly introduces a common belief that slavery is a thing of the past. Then I go on to argue against it.
       
      You make a very good point about the psychological satisfaction from having command over labour.

  5. asd 7

    The first thing that popped into my head when i read the byline was that WINZ asked me to paticipate in Taskforce Green this week just gone to spray weeds in the Rangitikei region to which I replied I would probably not as I have job interviews on the horizon.

    I don’t know the full details of Taskforce Green and its remuneration but it strikes me as a subplot to get dole figures down and get work done ‘on the cheap’ instead of paying a living wage to those actually doing the work. Another version of ‘modern day slavery’ I would argue as: dole=$200 a week plus another $100 for Taskforce Green=$300 which wouldn’t barely rent a house where I live.

    • karol 7.1

      Sounds like work for the dole with a new name.
       WINZ blurb about it include these points: 

      Taskforce Green is a subsidy that allows people to participate in project-based work where they can develop work habits and general on the job skills. This experience will help people progress towards unsubsidised, sustainable employment….
       
      [to employers] your project must be a fixed term community or environmental project that would otherwise not be done, must not displace existing employees, and must provide full-time work for one or more people.

       
      But I don’t see that spraying weeds is a great job opportunity providing training that will lead permanent and unsubsidised work.  Also, there doesn’t seem to be any requirement that employeers provide work that will meet WINZ’s stated aim.
       
       

  6. fatty 8

    The perpetuation of slavery relied on it being seen as normal. The same process of normalisation is used today to justify poverty and economic slavery.
    Zizek describes how any desire for economic equality is shot down with claims of equality as being utopian.
    Our current form of capitalism has become so normalised that change is considered impossible, despite the belief that almost anything else is possible.

    • karol 8.1

      Ah, Zizek always has a colourful way of expressing himself, and has some good ideas.  Here I feel he is reinforcing what I just heard Bomber, Trotter and Sue Bradford talk about on the Union Report – that the neoliberal way has entrenched individualistic attitudes.  Zizek was giving examples of people pursuing their own desires in a world where “everything is possible” – just not good health care for all.
       
      And also on the Union Report tonight on Triangle, Bradford was talking about the largely hidden exploitation of  immigrants in NZ.  She said it was far more widespread than people realised.  She referred to a very recent example in NZ, in which an immigrant woman was being treated as a slave.  Has anyone seen reports of this?  I was looking around online this morning to see what the situation was in NZ, and the only example I found was that of the immigrant nurses I mentioned in my post.

      • fatty 8.1.1

        I see the union report is up on the Citizen A youtube channel…thanks I’ll have to have a look at it.

        Interesting that – Bomber, Trotter and Sue Bradford talk about on the Union Report – that the neoliberal way has entrenched individualistic attitudes…

        I was watching another clip of Zizek the other day, he was talking about how free market capitalism does create an individualistic attitude, but at the same time it suppresses individualism. Zizek talked about how our desire for individuality is a sham, and the result of our so called individualism is that we all live the same life, chasing the same dream, and facing the same issues, etc.
        So the individualistic attitude really results in nothing but conformity.
        I think of this whenever I see a tattoo these days…just another tattoo – how ‘individualistic’ – yawn.

  7. Gosman 9

    Why didn’t the South African miner move his family closer to where he was working? There is no legal reason why he wouldn’t be able to do so anymore.

    Perhaps jobs are scarce in South Aftrica because the ANC led Government is corrupt, not focusing on fixing the problem, and the country is not friendly to businesses. That is supported by the following article in this weeks Economist magazine.

    http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21564829-it-has-made-progress-becoming-full-democracy-1994-failure-leadership-means

    • karol 9.1

      Did you actually read the full article, Gos, or just some of the headline?
       
      Of course, the Economist is going to be looking at the situation from a perspective that supports big multinationals doing business in South Africa, and not at the damage that such an attitiude of “business at all costs” does.
       
      Did you read this bit? – my bold.
       

      The past two months’ industrial strife is about more than just pay or perks. The protests are a symptom of the deep malaise that has taken hold of South Africa. The ANC was dealt a bad hand in 1994, and it has played that hand badly. South Africa’s difficulties are now so entrenched that the ANC looks incapable of solving them.

       
      The problem, the Economist won’t admit, is that the ANC tried to compromise with, and join in, with the international neoliberal ways of operating.  That has maintained the gross inequalities that existed before apartheid ended.  This is indicated in the article:
       

      The starkest measure of South Africa’s failure is the yawning gap between rich and poor. Under apartheid, such inequality was by design. Since apartheid came to an end, a tiny black elite has accrued great fortunes. …
       
      Persistent inequality is in part down to the government’s failure to educate young South Africans, particularly black ones….

       
      And did you see the sparse home – not much more than a mud hut, that the dead miners family live in? (Al Jazeera video).  Hardly evidence of ability to afford to be able to uproot the whole family and move to be near a mine.  At least they have fairly clean rural setting.  Unlike the kind of more urban township they’d have to move to – like the one in Soweto mentioned in the Economist article:
       

      As the birthplace of the new, inclusive South Africa, it has become a stop on the tourist trail. But just across the railway track, rickety shacks huddle together. The roads are rutted and muddy. Communal latrines stand useless, their doors open and rubbish piled inside. Next to them on the uneven ground wobbles a portable toilet, its door padlocked against vandals. A sludgy stream trickles past, fouled by children unable to find the key in time.

       
      So many contradictions in your comments, gos.  Think again.
       

      • Gosman 9.1.1

        “The problem, the Economist won’t admit, is that the ANC tried to compromise with, and join in, with the international neoliberal ways of operating. ”

        You mean they have to live in the real world. They don’t really. They could take the approach of any number of African nations and put two fingers up against those dreaded multinational companies. A recent example of one doing this was Zimbabwe. Worked a treat there.

        The main thrust of that article was that the ANC is not doing what would enable the people at the bottom to get ahead. Of course with your leftist view of the world I am sure you think it is because they aren’t taking enough from the wealthy.

  8. Gosman 10

    The case of the South African miner is not really a case support the modern day slavery theme of this post. Noone is arguing that South African mineworkers are being forced to work for a pittance. They are highly unionised and have high wages in the South African context.

    • karol 10.1

      They are highly unionised and have high wages in the South African context.
       
      Well, that’s not shown in your above link, Gos.  That link provides evidence of a highly unequal society, where work for unskilled people is hard to come by.  And the big corporates that are siphoning off large profits at the expense of these workers?

      • Gosman 10.1.1

        That article, (and others on that site), made it clear that Labour disputes were discouraging investment and many Mining companies were shedding staff.

        “The recent wave of industrial action will only bring that moment nearer. After the miners at Marikana won a handsome pay rise, 75,000 miners, chiefly of gold and platinum, went on strike, mostly illegally. Anglo American Platinum, the world’s largest platinum miner, has fired 12,000 workers. Gold One has sacked over 1,400.”

  9. Gosman 11

    “And how else can you describe the NAct government’s plan to cut youth wages, other than as wage-slavery.”

    You can make a quite compelling case that it is a policy to enable young people to get a foot in the door of employment. There is strong evidence that abolishing the Youth minimum wage led to big increase in Youth unemployment.

    • One Tāne Huna 11.1

      More bullshit from Gossamer. “You can make a case” – then make one, weasel. Don’t forget to factor in the downward pressure on adult wage levels in your sophistry.

    • KJT 11.2

      “Strong evidence” only exists in right wing fantasists excuse for a brain.

      Both MSD and the Labour department have said evidence supporting a youth rate was inconclusive at best.

      Most overseas research shows youth rates do not increase youth employment.

      Which reflects what we saw locally when there were youth rates. The employers which paid youth rates simply sacked slightly older workers, transferring unemployment from those who got youth rates to slightly older workers.

      However there is, irrefutable evidence that reducing wages, and austerity, reduces overall employment. Which impacts most on the young and low-skilled.

      • Gosman 11.2.1

        ‘“Strong evidence” only exists in right wing fantasists excuse for a brain.’

        A recent study on the topic suggests otherwise.

        http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2535043/senior-lecturer-in-economics-at-canterbury-university.asx

        • McFlock 11.2.1.1

          or rather the point is demonstrated nicely.
               
           

          • Gosman 11.2.1.1.1

            Care to expand on this comment?

            What about what the Economist from Canterbury University was discussing do you disagree with exactly?

            • McFlock 11.2.1.1.1.1

              Given that it was an interview which basically just rehashed the same old shit that has been discussed here ever since the youth rates changed (including apparently by Crampton himself) only without any challenge from the interviewer, pretty much everything.
                     
              I love the way that you capitalise professions when you reckon one of them agrees with you, by the way (“Economist”, “Epidemiologist”).
              It really helps underline the fact that you’re and Idiot. 

              • One Tāne Huna

                Do not attempt to fill the void that is Gossamer: you will just waste your time and energy and the void will enjoy it.

                • McFlock

                  lol – yeah, that and work’s a bit busy today.
                     
                  He is a fascinating little insect, though – I wonder if he got up this morning, bright and cheerful, and said “I think I’ll defend slavery today”. Probably not – though I think his conscience would allow it, his self awareness doesn’t reach that far…

              • Gosman

                Ahhh…. I see. Because you and many other lefties at this site disagree with this study, (mainly on ideological grounds as far as I can tell), it must mean he is spouting crap.

                Wow, the left has a world of intellectual talent given the strength of that argument. Of course it is a pretty dead and barren world but a world nevertheless.

                • McFlock

                  What study? You didn’t link to a study. He added nothing in the interview that hasn’t been said here – and found wanting.
                       
                  Oh, and if by “ideological grounds” you mean “pointing out that his model only worked if his assumptions like that ratios didn’t change over time were true”, then yeah he was spouting crap.
                       
                   

                  • Gosman

                    Are you trying to argue that the person being interviewed did not in fact carry out a study on the topic?

                    As for his assumptions, I think he was extremely careful in pointing out that the results do not necessarily mean a causal relationship between unemployment and the abolition of the Youth minimum wage. It is just a very strong suggestion the two are linked AND you can’t blame the recession for the massive increase in Youth unemployment.

                    Perhaps you have another explanation for the massive increase. Maybe it is because now that National is in charge of the Treasury benches Employers turn into youth hating raving lunatics.

                    • McFlock

                      I was merely pointing out that the content of the interview added nothing to the debate on minimum wage. Again, you’re rerunning arguments already discussed. Repeatedly
                             
                      Such a shame you have the memory of a goldfish. 
                        

                    • Gosman

                      I am pointing out the problem in the statement made in the original post where it was stated.

                      “And how else can you describe the NAct government’s plan to cut youth wages, other than as wage-slavery.”

                      Whether or not these arguments have been raised before is irrelevant in this context.

                    • McFlock

                      Whether or not these arguments have been raised before is irrelevant in this context.

                      Unless of course the arguments you are resurrecting have been demonstrated to be complete bullshit. Which I’ve linked to several times, but I’m sure that you haven’t bothered looking at those arguments simply because you left your Dr Seuss Dictionary at home.
                             
                      Bring a plate, or don’t come to the fucking party. Don’t find some leftover bolognese in someone else’s fridge and pretend like you just won My Kitchen Rules. 

                    • Gosman

                      I disagree they have been demonstrated to be complete BS. You might not agree with them but they follow orthodox economic theory on demand and supply, (i.e. increased costs of a good or service leads to lesser demand in most cases), and the argument also has supporting evidence, (e.g. the study by Canterbury Uni), suggesting that this in fact occured in NZ.

                    • McFlock

                      If you think the debate against the BS was not over, then continue from the point of departure – why are you starting it from scratch, all over again?
                           
                      Secondly, are you actually committing to agreeing with Crampton’s idea that abolishing youth rates led to increased unemployment?
                             
                      Thirdly,  if you want to use the paper as support, cite it or link to it. At the moment you’re just linking to a mediocre interview that rehashes ground already discussed.

                      You can’t really argue that your idea has supporting evidence until you actually present the evidence.

                    • Gosman

                      Where was this point of departure? All you provided around this was a bunch of threads from this site that supposedly deal with the minimum wage discussion. How am I meant to work out what the defining last point was meant to be?

                    • McFlock

                      It’s called “reading”.
                         
                      Hell, you took part in a few of those arguments, you should be familiar enough with them. Unless your ego has taken over the memory centers of your brain.

                    • fatty

                      “Are you trying to argue that the person being interviewed did not in fact carry out a study on the topic?”

                      Do you have a link to the study?…his statements have so many holes in them. The recession is there, he apparently says that’s not an issue, but doesn’t expand on that. This recession has impacted massively on youth in all areas. I cannot understand his logic.
                      But I guess that’s the UC economics department for you!…they are not the tools in the toolbox. They forced out Paul Dalziel to Lincoln Uni years ago. Dalziel would own those UC economic simpletons in his sleep.
                      A quick search for Eric Crampton shows how much of a B-grade economist he really is. Kiwi blog use his analysis of National Standards for a post…it appears as if Crampton enjoys using flawed stats to push his ideology.

                      How does this noddy economist (who wastes his time crunching National Standards numbers) explain the youth unemployment during 2008 in the UK, throughout the world (read the first paragraph), and throughout the EU (look at the table on page 43, you will see that 2008 was an extraordinary year for youth unemployment growth in the developed countries and the EU).

                      I’ll need more than a UC economist talking for 5 mins to make me believe that the recession is not to blame, and that the end of the youth wage caused youth unemployment in 2008…5 mins on google suggests that Eric Crampton is an idiot…I’d be interested to read his study if there ever was one.

  10. captain hook 12

    gosman never makes a case.
    he is just here to confabulate and confuse and send people off on wild gosman chases.
    so gosman why don tyou just fuck off till you have something to say.

    • Gosman 12.1

      Because I haven’t breeched any major terms and conditions of this site and I enjoy seeing many of you turning yourself inside out trying to avoid any uncomfortable points I raise in relation to the downsides of your dodgy thinking.

      • McFlock 12.1.1

        MUCH LOLZ

        • Gosman 12.1.1.1

          I especially enjoy watching you switch your position 180 degrees simply because of your dislike of anything that could be remotely linked to the National party. Your views on devaluation have provided me much meriment recently.

          • McFlock 12.1.1.1.1

            My views on relative currency values (like most things) have been consistent. The trouble is that you’re a moron. Sorry, “Moron”.

            • Gosman 12.1.1.1.1.1

              The trouble is you don’t undertsand economics much at all as evidenced by you trying to have your cake and eat it over a ‘managed’ devaluation by 15% over an extended period which completely ignored the reality of what trying to do so would lead to.

              • McFlock

                The trouble is that you don’t think for yourself – you just spout out like a fresher econ student who has a crush on their neolib lecturer.
                     
                Shame the world is more complex than a slide rule. 
                   
                Oh, and I counter your argument about the exchange rate with the FACT that the Reserve Bank already influences macroeconomic variables via the OCR. Fairly competently, too.

                • Gosman

                  I acknowledge it is complex. This is why there are unintended consequences for ALL policy decisions regardless of them being inspired by left or right wing politics. You on the other hand seem to live in a Pollyannaish world where Exchange rates can be ‘managed’ downward by 15% over an extended period of time with little to no problems. That to me suggests someone who has virtually NO understanding of how the real world works in terms of economics.

                  • McFlock

                    been on the weed again, have you? Forgetting recent arguments?
                       
                    I note with that one that you also ran crying behind “but MY views are orthodox! waaah!”.
                         
                    You have the balls to argue that whether you’re emotionally attached to an argument does not affect its validity when you have a habit of appealing to authority. Dickhead.

      • vto 12.1.2

        But you avoid uncomfortable points all of the time mr gosman. If you are unable to answer an issue you simply pose a question mildly indirectly related and pretend the main question doesn’t exist.

        As an example, I often pose the point that nobody on the right has explained how having foreign landlords is good for NZ, and you bounce around the edges of its but, like all other pro-foreign landlorders, you never actually answer the point.

        ..
        .

        • Gosman 12.1.2.1

          I have answered that question numerous times. You simply disagree with my view on the subject. But just for you I will paraphase the argument once more:

          ‘NZers can possibly get a better return from the capital invested here to purchase the land from other economic outlets and/or the productivity from the land owned by the foreigners can increase at a greater rate than if it remained NZ owned.’

          Now I am quite happy if you disagree with this argument. However you are quite wrong to continue this BS of stating noone has given you an argument. Noone has given you an argument you accept is quite different proposition.

          • vto 12.1.2.1.1

            Your argument that somehow all arguments are equal is the BS.

            That is like saying John Key’s answers of “um, don’t know can’t recall, not my job, can’t remember” are actually answers. They are not.

      • One Tāne Huna 12.1.3

        …uncomfortable points…?

        You flatter yourself. When was the last time you made a “point” – all I ever see is empty questions and long bows.

        • Gosman 12.1.3.1

          I think I made a point about a case to be made in relation to the benefits of reintroducing a form of minimum wage for youth. If you disagree with this being a point casre to discuss why it isn’t?

          • One Tāne Huna 12.1.3.1.1

            1. You didn’t make the case, so why would I bother?

            2. What McFlock said.

            • Gosman 12.1.3.1.1.1

              I did make the case. Simply because you disagree with my arguments doen’t mean a case hasn’t been made.

          • McFlock 12.1.3.1.2

            You rehashed a bullshit argument that has been eviscerated several times by commenters and authors on TS. You didn’t even have the balls to own your “point”, you merely suggested that a case could be made (not by you) and then hid behind the coattails of an msm interview with an economist (sorry, “Economist”). That’s not “making a point”, that’s attempting to steal other people’s intellectual credit while risking none yourself (i.e. you left yourself leeway to argue that you had merely put the point up for discussion, you had never believed it yourself).
                     
            Your ego’s writing cheques your IQ can’t cash. 

            • Gosman 12.1.3.1.2.1

              Wether I personally agree with the argument is irrelevant. You might wish to have some emotional attachment to ideas or concepts but that doesn’t imbue them with any more or less validity.

              • McFlock

                It wasn’t the validity of the ideas I was criticising just then – the ideas have been defenestrated repeatedly. 
                   
                It was the lack of intellectual courage you show by refusing to commit to the ideas you put forward. As well as the dishonesty you exhibit when you try to pretend that you are interested in a discussion, when in fact you are merely recycling arguments that have been done to death in this very forum ad nauseum.
                           
                I guess all I’m really asking is that you go away, have a think, and bring something back to the table that YOU developed, believe in, and are prepared to defend yourself. Otherwise you’re just a shallow jellyfish of a waste of space.

                • Gosman

                  No, you and many other leftists from this site quite obviously disagree with the arguments. That doesn’t mean the arguments cease to exist if you believe there is a sufficiently persuassive counter argument.

                  Funnily enough there is not one ‘right’ way of doing things McFop despite your wishes for it to be the case. ALL policies have pros and cons, even your precious leftists ones.

                  • McFlock

                    It means the arguments cease to be valid, or at the very least reasonably plausible to anyone except the most stupid tory teabagger.
                           
                    The same reason you’d tell me to fuck off if I said that the exchange rate will increase because I read it in tea leaves. The argument would “still exist”, but only a moron would believe it. And then after the exchange rate actually falls, I’d just respond that if it weren’t for my tea leaves it would have fallen even farther.

                • Gosman

                  Funnily enough a number of those threads you linked make little, or NO, reference to debates about the youth minimum wage. They hardly support your view that this debate has been dealt with here before in any meaningful way.

                  • McFlock

                    “a number”
                    “little or ”
                    “youth minimum wage” (as opposed to minimum wage or cost of labour, which are relevant to YMW).
                         
                    Weasel fucking words. 
                         
                     

                    • Rogue Trooper

                      I’ll just pop into this slavery thread ( I actually read most comments when I Standardize) hi flockie, hookie and contrary-one; back so soon from vertical-take-off?
                      well I suppose
                      time slavery
                      sugar slavery
                      cosmetic slavery
                      hygiene slavery
                      media slavery
                      caffeine slavery
                      nicotine slavery
                      oil slavery
                      automotive slavery
                      minimum-wage slavery
                      capitalist slavery
                      economic slavery
                      colonial slavery
                      property slavery
                      status slavery
                      curriculum slavery
                      credential slavery
                      ideological slavery
                      Propaganda slavery
                      religious slavery
                      pharmaceutical slavery
                      technology slavery
                      patriarchal slavery
                      matriarchal slavery
                      therapy slavery (psycho-analytic,behavioural, cognitive)ooh, I like that line

                      now,
                      to get to the nous of the matter, behind the discursive reason and the affective emotional state
                      cura animarum
                      -healing
                      -sustaining
                      -reconciling
                      -guiding

                      “Therapy” (yuck)- ‘normal making’
                      Spiritual Direction- Abnormal making
                      (gettin some theocentric healing goin on as opposed to anthropocentric)

                      the healing of meaning;
                      listening to life stories
                      not just self and self conflicts
                      also experience of, and relationships with
                      God Others World and Self

                      dum de doo..
                      :)

  11. captain hook 13

    gooseman you dont make any arguments at all.
    all you do is fly kites with no substance.
    just like the tories do in parliament.
    their programme is to loot the treasury and overlay their depredations with a whole lot of meaningless nonsense.
    just like you do here.

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    Labour | 22-08
  • Pacific people continue to go backwards under National
    A report from Victoria University highlights the fact that Pacific people are continuing to go backwards under a National Government, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio.  “The report shows the largest inequality increases were in smoking, obesity, tertiary...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Wellington transport plan needs to keep moving
    The failure of the Transport Agency to properly look at alternatives to the Basin Reserve flyover is not a good reason for further delays to improving transport in Wellington, Labour MPs Grant Robertson and Annette King say. “The Board of...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Labour’s focus on inequality, kids and better job prospects
    Tackling child poverty and removing barriers to people working part time to enhance their prospects of moving into a fulltime job are highlights of Labour’s Social Development policy. Releasing the policy today, spokesperson Sue Moroney said while part-time work was...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Political staff should give answers under oath
    The Inspector General of Security and Intelligence should use her full statutory powers to question witnesses under oath about the leak of SIS information, says Labour MP Phil Goff. “Leakage of confidential information from the SIS for political purposes is...
    Labour | 21-08
  • High dollar, hands-off Govt sends workers to dole queue
    The loss of up to 100 jobs at Croxley stationery in Auckland is devastating news for their families and the local Avondale community, Labour’s Employment, Skills and Training spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “The company’s inability to compete in international markets...
    Labour | 21-08
  • National’s flagship education policy dead in the water
    National’s plan to create executive principals and expert teachers is effectively dead in the water with news that 93 percent of primary teachers have no confidence in the scheme, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “The fact that teachers are...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Dunedin will be a knowledge and innovation centre under Labour
    Dunedin will become a knowledge and innovation centre under a Labour Government that will back local businesses, support technology initiatives and fund dynamic regional projects, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Nowhere has the National Government’s short-sightedness been more apparently than...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Why TV3′s new 3 News-Reid Research poll don’t mean jack
    Yawn. Can I just point out to progressives freaking about the latest 3 News-Reid Research poll tonight putting National at 46.4%. It don’t mean jack shit. In 2011 the same poll at the same time had National at 53%!  National ended...
    The Daily Blog | 03-09
  • The Race Is On: Will enough New Zealanders believe Nicky Hager and reject J...
    WE ARE IN A RACE. It’s a race between those wilfully ignorant and the deliberately spiteful New Zealanders who make up such an alarmingly large fraction of National’s electoral base, and that steadily growing percentage of the electorate who understand...
    The Daily Blog | 03-09
  • Want to lift voter participation? #futurevoter selfie this election with yo...
    As the importance of democratic engagement starts making its presence felt in the wake of the lowest voter turn out in a century, it’s time to make universal suffrage a goal again. One step towards that is nurturing the future...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • A brief word on hacked celebrity naked pictures
    Of  all the inane bullshit I’ve heard in my life, the one currently saying ‘if you take naked pictures of yourself you should expect them to be seen by everyone’ is possibly the dumbest. Deleted intimate images people take in the...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • The Daily Blog 2014 progressive voter guide – who to vote for to change ...
    If you want to know how to vote in a way to change this Government,  here is the electorate by electorate guide on how to strategically vote to kick National out of office. There are two votes. Electorate vote and Party...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Are Cameron Slater and Judiith Collins bare-faced liars?
    . . Are Cameron Slater and Judith Collins both bare-faced liars? Both of them. Liars? Here is why I ask… In the latest revelations, information disclosed by Rawshark/Whaledump to the NZ Herald alleges in further leaked sensitive information from  ...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • What has surprised me most about the Ashburton WINZ shootings
    The terrible deaths at a WINZ office in Ashburton took us all by surprise. Staunch poverty campaigner Sue Bradford commented before the deaths were known and was attacked by waves of twitterarti who knew best. Sue apologised but her wider...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kiri Hannifin  – Make domestic violence an election issue
    Violence against women and children continues to be a profound issue in this country.  Despite the stellar efforts of thousands of grass roots workers to support victims of violence every day, we cannot seem to stem the tide. The past...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Factchecking Key’s Leaders debate claims
    There were so many questionable facts Key threw at Cunliffe in last nights debate that I emailed a few contacts to ask if they were true. Here is the very long list of things Key said that simply were not...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • August Blog stats – TDB closing in on Kiwiblog – our final election con...
    The August blog stats are in, and The Daily Blog retains our position as the largest left wing blog in NZ with 416 374 visits last month and 667 411. Kiwi Blog who has been operating for a decade with...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – New Zealand First: Coalition of the Willing...
    There is, right now, an absolute metric truck-tonne of misinformation, lies, and willful distortion flying about on social media, in the blogosphere and even in the media and corridors of power about New Zealand First’s coalition position. Some of this...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, Judith Collins i...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • The Press Leaders Debate – proof a newspaper can kill the internet
    No more beersies for you Mr Key. Seriously – was the Prime Minister drunk during this debate? I am so sickened by what passed as a Leaders debate, I will make this review short and vicious. Everyone involved in putting...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Voting starts tomorrow!
    On the telly, in the papers, on the Net, billboards on almost every street corner – it’s hard to miss the fact that there’s an election coming up. Everyone’s trying to win your vote on Election Day, September 20, (this...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Collins inquiry a whitewash before it has even started
    The farce whitewash that Key is trying to push through here for the inquiry into Judith Collins role in a hit on the SFO should enrage any NZer, regardless of how they vote. Whaleoil won’t be forced to appear, it’s...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Press Leaders Debate – Round 2 – 7pm tonight
    This debate is live in a Town Hall, Key has done well at these in the past, but since the hate politics exposed in Dirty Politics, expect real fury directed at Key. My guess is that Key will attempt to use whatever he...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • MANA hit speed wobbles – why Annette Sykes will win Waiariki
    MANA are my favourites. But of late, their transition from crawling to sprinting has hit some speed wobbles. Hone’s and Pam’s aggressive attitude towards the media recently is very understandable in light of how connected many of the media were to...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Soz Cam – PaknSave boycott of whaleoil continues – time to start a boyc...
    Cam is so carcinogenic now, not even his mates in the Tobacco Industry are talking to him any longer. I suspect only the Israeli Defence Force propaganda department are paying for content on whaleoil now. Cam says that PaknSave have dropped their problems...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • The Rock Fuels NZ Roastbuster Rape Culture
    This is making me feel pretty uncomfortable. Here we have an instance of Jono and Ben posing like “exposed celebrities”. But do you know what I’m seeing? I’m seeing two dudes who basically “roasted” a woman online (exposed pictures of...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – Why beneficiaries need advocacy
    There are times when I am wrong. I was wrong recently when someone suggested to me that AAAP should be eligible for government funding to continues its advocacy work. That was before. Before dealing with advocacy on a weekly basis...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • TheDailyBlog September Political Poll Has Been Kicked Off
    The Daily Blog’s August poll has concluded and the September poll has been kicked off, asking readers: What party will you likely vote for at this year’s General Election? You will see this month’s poll in the right-hand sidebar of...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – Jamie Whyte, leave that poor seal alone!
    Worse than showing mere lip service to Rainbow inclusion, ACT leader Jamie Whyte showed stunning arrogance when appeared at a candidates debate on rainbow issues hosted by the Auckland University Students’ Association last Thursday. The stunning hypocrisy was evident as...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Right wing can’t help but use scum
    Some people have been shocked that the traditional right wing party in New Zealand politics is so deeply embedded with scum like the blogger Whale Oil. We need not be so surprised. It takes a certain type to support the...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • EXCLUSIVE: National’s Ohariu candidate admits contact by Simon Lusk
    . . Wellington, NZ, 31  August – At a meet-the-candidates public meeting in the Rongotai Electorate, National’s Ohariu candidate, Brett Hudson, confirmed that he had been approached by “a mate”, who passed on a message from  National Party operative, Simon...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Auckland Broadcasting Debate 2014
    Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Auckland Broadcasting Debate 2014...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Petition for Governor General of New Zealand to Investigate all the allegat...
      Now we see the inquiry will be a whitewash, that is secret, won’t be consulted with the Opposition, will have limited scope and will ignore Nicky Hager’s book, we must demand the Governor General step in and demand an...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Ashburton, 1 September 2014
    I NEVER WENT BACK to Aramoana after the killing. I had been a frequent visitor to the tiny seaside village back in the late 1970s and throughout the 80s. Its tall cliffs and broad beaches providing a colourful backdrop to...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Checkmate in 1 move – how could Slater have known what was in OIA request...
    And now we get down to the final few moves before checkmate. If the following investigation is right, how could Slater and Collins have known what was in the Secret Intelligence Service Official Information Act request that hadn’t been released...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • The Edge Posts Naked Photos Of Jennifer Lawrence Without Consent
    Today the Edge website – owned by Media Works – published fully naked photographs of Jennifer Lawrence without her consent. It is not OK to publish naked media of any woman without her consent, full stop. It is absolutely disgusting...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Bomber, Laila and Maggie – a highlight from Auckland Broadcasting Debate ...
    Bomber, Laila and Maggie – a highlight from Auckland Broadcasting Debate 2014...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, how good was I i...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Maggie Barry slags Laila Harre & blogger, audience erupt
    The Coalition for Better Broadcasting held their public meeting in Auckland last night and it became a fiery shouting match when Maggie Barry decided to slag Laila Harre and me off. 250 people packed into the Pioneer Hall off High...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • It has to be a full independent public inquiry and Key MUST front
      You know things are bad when images like this start appearing in the media.  It isn’t a ‘left wing conspiracy’ to point out the over whelming evidence of what is clearly a right wing conspiracy! If it looks like a conspiracy, sounds like a conspiracy...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Political Party social media stats – National playing Dirty Politics on s...
    Interesting data from friend of the blog, Marty Stewart, on social media likes and it shows an interesting question that post Dirty Politics should probably get asked…   …it’s interesting that Key has so many personal followers.  One wonders if...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • The depth of the National rot and the compliance of our news media
    I’m so tired. Aren’t you? I don’t want to read the news anymore. It’s awful and I feel ashamed of it. We live in a country that people all over the world would give an arm, a leg; their life...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Conservative Party candidate links smacking ban with suicide, sexually tran...
    If Chemtrails, faked moon landings and climate change denial weren’t enough, welcome to your new Minister for Spanking,  Edward Saafi... The anti-smacking law is to blame for youth suicide, youth prostitution and even sexually-transmitted infections, a leading Conservative party candidate...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • A brief word on the canonisation of Matthew Hooton
    Before we all start the canonisation of Matthew Hooton, let’s consider some home truths here shall we? While the Wellington Ruminator Blog, the blog who was previously mates with Judith Collins, now seems to have a crush on Matthew Hooton… …I...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • A brief word on undercover cops in bars
    Dunedin police booze operation labelled ‘creepy’ Undercover police officers drank in Dunedin bars as part of an operation targeting liquor licensing offences. While police said the inaugural operation was a success — with most bars found compliant — the Hospitality...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Judith Collins press conference
    Judith Collins press conference...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Angry Lawyer – Collins, Odgers, Williams and legal ethics
    We deserve better lawyers than Judith Collins Three of the worst offenders exposed in Dirty Politics are lawyers: Judith Collins, Cathy Odgers, and Jordan Williams. What Nicky Hager exposed them doing would be out of line for anyone, but from...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – Necessary Defence
    Increasingly climate change is becoming the main fracture line between political parties. Where political parties stand on climate change defines political parties and movements like no other issue. The Mana Movement like the Maori Party it sprang from, came out...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Why it is all over for John Key
    Image: Melanie D I’ve been confident that National will lose this election and that our focus should be on what a progressive Government needs to establish as its agenda in the first 100 days. Past that point, the establishment pushes back...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • A brief word to everyone who voted National in 2011
    I received this interesting email from a National Party supporter today… …let me say this to anyone who voted National last election – you should be ashamed by what has been revealed and what your vote ended up enabling but...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • EXCLUSIVE: Déjà Vu All Over Again: John Ansell confirms his participation...
      THE MAN BEHIND the Iwi-Kiwi billboards that very nearly won the 2005 election for Don Brash and the National Party has confirmed his involvement in businessman John Third’s and former Act MP Owen Jennings’ campaign to drive down the...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Public Broadcasting Auckland debate 6.30pm tonight now with Colin Craig &am...
    The Coalition for Better Broadcasting debate on public broadcasting happens tonight at 6.30pm in Auckland at the Pioneer Women’s Hall, High Street, Auckland City.  In the light of Dirty Politics and the manipulation of the media, public broadcasting is more important for...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Winners & Losers in Collins sacking plus what’s the latest on Slater...
      Make no mistake, there was no way this was a resignation, it’s a face saving way out for Collins, she was sacked.  My understanding is that National internal polls are haemorrhaging and that the powers that be within National...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Third party propaganda attacks incoming Labour-led government
    . . Further to a report by Daily Blogger, Chris Trotter, on receiving information regarding planned attack-billboards, the following billboard is highly visible to traffic on the southbound lane of the Wellington motorway, just prior to the Murphy St turn-off....
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Labour wins the Internet
    I’m sure I’m not the only one who tried to vote online for the leaders debate and couldn’t because the website was down. The next option was the txt vote, 75c a pop of course. So I’m not surprised that...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – Rotherham and the need to challenge willful bl...
    I haven’t been following the events in Rotterham too closely.  I’ve read about the basic issues and the culture of silence that stopped action been taken even after complaints were made.  That culture of silence is incredibly familiar, and described...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Review: Hairspray
      Oh Hairspray! What fun! Somehow I managed to miss the movie when it came out, I had no idea really what it was about though I felt it had a vague relation to High School Musical. In retrospect, that...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Key Rises in Latest Poll Despite Problems
    John Key's personal popularity appears to have weathered the worst of the Dirty Politics storm, according to tonight's 3News-Reid Research poll....
    Scoop politics | 03-09
  • Forestry safety must be taken seriously
    News that Police have arrested and charged a man with manslaughter over the death of 20-year old Lincoln Kidd shows that forestry safety must be taken seriously, according to FIRST Union. “Lincoln’s tragic death was one of ten lives claimed...
    Scoop politics | 03-09
  • Musicians support artistic freedom
    Wellington musicians are banding together to support artistic freedom and will perform at Cuba Street venue San Fran on Sunday afternoon 14 September. This concert, Off Key, protests the New Zealand Electoral Commission’s view that satirical song and...
    Scoop politics | 03-09
  • BRANZ welcomes announcement of Science Challenge 11
    BRANZ today welcomes the announcement of the National Science Challenge on better homes, towns and cities by Hon Dr Nick Smith at the Building a Better New Zealand conference. The new National Science Challenge will provide a new approach to...
    Scoop politics | 03-09
  • Roy Morgan Poll September 3
    National (45%) down after ‘Dirty Politics’ revelations, but Labour (26%) also loses support while Greens surge to 16% – highest since April 2012. Conservative Party at record high 3.5% Today’s New Zealand Roy Morgan Poll shows a sharp decline...
    Scoop politics | 03-09
  • Labour’s CGT Will Make Housing Affordability Worse
    Labour's capital gains tax, won't do what David Cunliffe says it will, according to the Taxpayers' Union , backed up by a former Deputy Commissioner of Inland Revenue, Robin Oliver....
    Scoop politics | 03-09
  • Young Kiwis follow in Sir Peter’s footsteps
    Six high-achieving young New Zealanders have been chosen for a range of amazing expeditions this summer, including two that will travel to Antarctica, as part of the Sir Peter Blake Trust Blake Ambassador programme....
    Scoop politics | 03-09
  • New Doco on Māori Television Examines Social Housing
    A new documentary to air on Māori Television in the lead-up to the election will address the reality of low income housing in this country in a climate of state gentrification and privatisation. WHARE TAPA WHĀ , (loosely translated as...
    Scoop politics | 03-09
  • Thames WINZ arrest should serve as warning to others
    Waikato Police say the charging of a man following an incident in the Thames Work and Income office today should serve as a warning to others that unacceptable behaviour cannot, and will not be tolerated....
    Scoop politics | 03-09
  • Secretary-General’s lecture at the University of Auckland
    I again thank this University of Auckland for bestowing on me an honourary degree in recognition of the enduring value of the United Nations....
    Scoop politics | 03-09
  • New Zealand First is just too expensive
    “The independent Taxpayers Union now estimates that Winston Peters has made more spending promises than Labour and the Greens combined”, said Dr Whyte, ACT’s Leader....
    Scoop politics | 03-09
  • Adequate family incomes essential to reduce child poverty
    Child Poverty Action Group says making sure families have enough money to care for their children is a fundamental part of the solution to child poverty....
    Scoop politics | 03-09
  • Doesn’t Your Dad Goat Enough?
    A challenge that most Kiwis can relate to in the weeks leading up to father’s day: How do we honour the great men in our life in a meaningful way?...
    Scoop politics | 03-09
  • At the end of their tether!
    Many in New Zealand will have seen the sight of a lone goat chained on a roadside verge on their travels . Given the job of "lawnmower" these gregarious, highly social, intelligent animals endure a miserable existence denied their most...
    Scoop politics | 03-09
  • NZratifies new treaty to control the $85bn global arms trade
    New Zealand ratifies new treaty to control the $85bn global arms trade for the first time ever...
    Scoop politics | 03-09
  • Threats against Work and Income staff a disgrace
    The Public Service Association (PSA) says the continuing threats against Work and Income staff in the wake of the Ashburton shootings are a disgrace, and must end....
    Scoop politics | 03-09
  • Greens will put tens of thousands out of work
    "The $18 minimum wage championed by the Greens will throw tens of thousands of low skilled New Zealanders out of a job and condemn them to a life on the benefit. At no point do the Greens discuss the employment...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • PGA: Welcomes NZ’s ratification of Arms Trade Treaty
    President of Parliamentarians for Global Action and New Zealand MP Ross Robertson today welcomed the news that the New Zealand Government has ratified the Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) at the United Nations in New York....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Forest & Bird releases top priorities for new government
    Independent conservation organisation Forest & Bird is calling for all political parties to adopt policies to bring about an economic transformation - for the sake of New Zealand and New Zealanders. The call comes as part of Forest & Bird’s...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • More good Questions for Mr. Cunliffe
    Exempting the family home from Capital Gains taxes is harder than it sounds. What if you charge one of the children board? What if it is one of the children’s friends? A boarder? Many South Auckland families share a house....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Why are the Anglican Bishops silent in defending life?
    The Anglican Archbishops in Aotearoa New Zealand have identified four key challenges facing the country in the run-up to the General Election onSeptember 20. These issues are: • Child poverty • Income inequality • Lack of affordable and accessible...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Encouraging the phenomenal growth in the Māori economy
    As the only independent Māori voice in Parliament, the Māori Party’s economic development policy is unashamedly focused on growing the Māori economy....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Bottom line demands by minor parties destabilising
    "Bottom line demands by minor parties are destabilising and undemocratic" said Dr Jamie Whyte. "Colin Craig says referenda being binding is a bottom line and now Winston Peters says a Royal Commission is a bottom line. Polls say the vast...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Victoria students lead youth engagement publication
    A group of Victoria University students are trying to reverse the trend of political disengagement by giving young people a voice....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • NZEI Te Riu Roa welcomes Green Party commitment to fairness
    NZEI Te Riu Roa has welcomed the Green Party's commitment to making work fairer and more equitable, saying it would also result in tangible benefits for children and their learning....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • MANA Movement says tax cut on GST must be first priority
    “If Prime Minister John Key has money available for tax cuts then cutting GST must be the first priority”, said MANA Movement Economic Justice Spokesperson John Minto. “GST is a nasty tax on low-income families”, said Minto. “People in...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • The Maori Party’s Mana-Enhancing Relationship with National
    MANA Movement candidate, John Minto 3 Wednesday September 2014 “First we had Cameron Slater and David Farrar backing Labour’s Kelvin Davis bid to unseat MANA Movement Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Hone Harawira. Now we have Slater writing...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Craig And Mcvicar Have Some Explaining to Do
    The Taxpayers’ Union is calling on Garth McVicar and the Conservative Party to explain how much the Party’s ‘tough on crime’ election slogan will cost. On Monday the Party was added to the Taxpayers’ Union Bribe-O-Meter , but the Conservative...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Political parties to be questioned on needs of children
    Political party representatives will be asked to outline their policies in three key areas relating to the needs of children at a public forum being hosted this Friday by the University of Otago, Wellington (UOW). The event has been co-organised...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Voting Period for 2014 General Election Begins Today
    The first votes for the 2014 general election will be cast today, Wednesday 3 September, as advance voting begins ahead of election day on Saturday 20 September. “Election day is September 20, but if you want, you can vote from...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Independent Epsom Candidates ‘One Strike’ Crime Policy
    Best wishes to all of those who live in Epsom, Mount Eden, New Market, Remuera and of course the rest of New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Large majorities of NZ First voters would prefer Labour deal
    67% of those who voted for New Zealand First at the 2011 general election would prefer Labour to lead a coalition government if one is needed after September 20’s general election....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Jointly owned urban development agency for Christchurch
    “Given the strategic importance of the Canterbury rebuild, it is logical that the transition from emergency governance arrangements is overseen by the Prime Minister’s office, but to maintain momentum in the city centre an expert development agency...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Collins inquiry at best a Band-Aid, a permanent fix needed
    Collins inquiry at best a Band-Aid, a permanent fix is needed The Public Service Association (PSA) says the inquiry into Judith Collins’ behaviour must be accompanied by a process to restore the lost trust between Ministers and public servants if...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Association welcomes new Chief Executive
    “The New Zealand Police Association is pleased to announce the appointment of Heather Verry to Chief Executive. Heather picks up the mantle from Chris Pentecost, who recently retired from this position,” Police Association President Greg O’Connor said...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Young Voters Want Politicians to Grow Up
    Young voters want answers to the questions that directly affect them – but it seems as much as anything, they want politicians to grow up....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Climate Voter election debate to get big audience
    Auckland, 2 September 2014 - Tickets to tomorrow night’s first-ever Climate Voter election debate have sold out but an online audience will also get to see the event live....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • The Edge show disregard for consent
    The Edge has shown complete disregard for consent, for women’s bodies and in doing so has contributed to the wider issue of rape culture in New Zealand says specialist sexual violence prevention organisation, Sexual Abuse Prevention Network. Yesterday,...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • The Rock is Fuelling New Zealand’s Roastbuster Rape Culture
    The Rock are still displaying without-consent images of Jennifer Lawrence and other celebrities online. They are making fun of this without-consent action, saying that she was "asking for it", etc. They appear to be supporting this kind of...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • HRLA Condemns Murder of Filipino Human Rights lawyer
    Attorney Rodolfo R. Felicio, a member of the National Union of Peoples Lawyers , was gunned down while working on a land dispute in Rizal, east of Manila. Two caretakers of the disputed land were also injured in the attack....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • SFO lays charges for procurement fraud
    Two individuals have been charged in the Auckland District Court today with Crimes Act charges laid by the Serious Fraud Office for alleged fraud against Mighty River Power Limited relating to procurement for the Company’s Southdown power station....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Commitment to lifting wages good for New Zealand
    The Service and Food Workers Union has applauded the Green Party workers’ policy announced today....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Sykes: There’s Only One Poll That Counts
    “One of the oldest sayings in politics is that there is only one poll that counts – the one on Election Day – and that’s the one that I am focusing on” remarked the MANA Movement candidate for Waiariki, Annette...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Winston Peters Shown up by the Civilian Party
    Even the satirical 'Civilian Party' has now offered the Taxpayers’ Union more credible figures for the ' Bribe-O-Meter ' than Winston Peters’ New Zealand First. The Taxpayers’ Union Bribe-O-Meter now includes, National, Labour, the Greens,...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Further criminal investigation into CTV Building collapse
    Police has today confirmed it will be advancing the criminal investigation into the collapse of the CTV building in February 2011....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Greens policy to restore link between effort and reward
    The Green Party’s new workers policy articulates an alternative to wage repression and job insecurity based on restoring the link between effort and reward, according to FIRST Union. The core tenets of the policy include implementing an $18 minimum...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Greens workers policy supported by union movement
    The CTU is supporting the Green Party’s policy launched today focused on improving life for working New Zealanders. “This policy shows the Greens commitment to collective bargaining as the best and fairest way to improve workers terms and conditions. It...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Research Scholarships for Cannabis Treatments
    Medical cannabis research will be boosted by $140 million if the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party is elected on September 20. Pediatric epilepsy treatment will be one of the main priorities for the research scholarships....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Ngai Te Rangi Change to Tribal Elections
    Ngai Te Rangi has begun a postal vote of beneficiaries to change the way representatives are elected to the two Ngai Te Rangi tribal organisations....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Greens’ commitment to pay equity welcomed by workers
    The Public Service Association (PSA) says the 58,000 workers they represent will benefit from the announcement by the Green Party of a commitment to pay equity and to a living wage for core public servants and contractors....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
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