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Adventures in the slave trade

Written By: - Date published: 9:50 am, October 22nd, 2012 - 74 comments
Categories: capitalism, class war, human rights, poverty, racism, sexism, wages - Tags: ,

Slavery was abolished in the 19th century, wasn’t it?

From wage-slavery to human-trafficking, modern day forms of slavery have many faces, all in the interests of some people making a profit out of the hardship of others.  These various faces of modern day slavery range in severity from harsh and unfair working conditions, to the most devastating forms of human degradation, abuse and oppression.

Today Al Jazeera reported on the impact on his family of the death of a striking South African miner. He was shot dead by police in August. He was working 1000 kilometres away from his meagre home because jobs are scarce.  He travelled that distance to support his wife and children. 34 miners were shot by police when they were striking for more pay. Some strikers became more desperate, and the conflict escalated.

Some modern day slavery is in the form of legal work for greedy corporates.  Other forms are the result of illegal practices spawned by the capitalist ethics of greed and profiteering.  In the UK right now, there is a concern about the increase in human tafficking.  In such cases, women are very often the victims of some of the nastiest forms of slavery in the guise of sex trafficking.  Evidence of this is shown in Deborah Padfield’s article, which is a response to

“The Criminalisation of Migrant Women” by Liz Hales and Loraine Gelsthorpe of Cambridge University’s Institute of Criminology, a report on the experience of trafficked women convicted of crimes including entry into fake marriage, drug importation, cannabis production, street robbery and selling fake goods. As victims of crime, they experienced domestic servitude, rape and aggravated assault, threats and theft of documents, sex and/or labour exploitation and forced participation in crime.

And one of the worst results is that the profiteers organising the trafficking go unrecognised. The trafficked people become victims of a legal system stacked against them, and they are treated as criminals. Padfield reports,

One legal representative refuses to tell the court that his client was forced into sex work lest it prejudice the court against her; through his refusal, he implicitly accepts that such victimhood is treated as culpable. The judiciary appears to have a similarly inadequate understanding of guilt and innocence: “one woman…, when asked in court whether she pleaded guilty or not guilty, stated:  ‘I want to explain to you why I did this.’ The response from the Bench was a sharp retort, ‘We are asking you whether you plead guilty or not guilty.’” Without an exploration of why?, that is an unanswerable question.

I haven’t seen any reports of New Zealand examples of the above devastatig levels of dealings in human misery.  But we do have our own milder versions of modern day slavery.  There was a recent report of the unfair treatment of immigrant nurses.  Some are being forced to work for worse conditions and pay than those experienced by most other nurses.

The Sunday Star-Times revealed earlier this year that trafficking of Filipino nurses has been taking place.

Qualified nurses were being promised nursing work by recruitment agents, but were instead forced to sign into two-year aged care contracts for low pay.

In another case this year, a group of Indian nurses found themselves unable to gain registration in New Zealand after arriving here to study.

And how else can you describe the NAct government’s plan to cut youth wages, other than as wage-slavery. CTU spokesperson, James Sleep says,

“Youth rates are fundamentally unfair, but also flawed. They won’t bring down overall youth unemployment numbers, but switch some low paid, insecure jobs from one group of young workers earning the adult minimum wage, to the cheaper group of youth eligible to earn youth rates. At any one point there will be workers displaced, failing to address the bigger job shortage problem,” …

The above are some very different forms of modern day slavery, with varying degrees of impacts on the victims.  They are all the result of the same underlying cause: human greed enshrined in contemporary capitalist ethics.  You can probably think of other examples, and of different ways this unfair system impacts on the lives of ordinary people.

74 comments on “Adventures in the slave trade”

  1. Fran 1

    You are so right about the differing forms of slavery currently operating in our society. Unfortunately we seem to be living in a society where the powers that be think it is acceptable, even desirable to have a group of people who can be categorized as “less”, a group whose existence makes others feel superior. Such thinking filters down (trickles down!) until the divisions in society become enormous – this is how “class” is established and cemented in and class division is a very good way of controlling populations.

  2. bbfloyd 2

    So, once again, we see proof that, apart from small pockets of light, the human species is still too immature to be ready to take the next step towards true civilisation….

    From an historians perspective, these are interesting times we live in… To be able to map the descent from “glorious empire, and wealth”, back down to yet another “dark age”….Now THAT is a thesis worth getting out of bed to write….

    Too bad none of the writings that could have explained how the descent could have been avoided will survive to be read by whichever remnant of humanity survives the next ice age….We have been celebrating our “brilliant” impermanence for far too long for any real hope that our knowledge will survive in any meaningful form….

    Nothing new here… This was always going to happen whilst we, as a species, continued to try use the same methods that have failed repeatedly throughout human history…

    The real shame, to my mind, is the fact that, even though it is painfully obvious that the “merry pranksters” we have installed as our “leaders” have been bereft of any shred of progressive, forward looking cognisance….A fact underlined by the half witted, self serving methods employed in the promotion of the self destructive, intellectually vacant repeating of mistakes made ad infinitum throughout the entire lifetime of the capitalist system,… by the very agencies charged with the job of maintaining an “informed electorate”…..WE keep electing them, for whatever reason our tiny little minds can latch on to….

    Why are we surprised by this latest attempt to steal “candy from babies”?? The merry pranksters have been waving semaphore flags at us for years now regarding how much they resent the working population having a share of “their” wealth…..Did we honestly expect them to suddenly, diametrically change their central philosophies once confronted with the realities of government?

    Now THAT would be naive, to say the least…

  3. RedLogix 3

    And then of course there is middle class debt slavery.

    I mean think about it. The average home is about 30 years old and was worth about $350,000 when it was built. (In today’s terms.)

    Yet in those 30 years the banks have made at least $1m in interest fees from the various mortgages held on that property. And it never gets paid off.

    This is exactly the same as the old American Company Town model, only with an extra layer of obfuscation thrown in to fool teh rubes.

    • bbfloyd 3.1

      That puts me in mind of a hamster, constantly running inside the wheel…. always looking to his/her own “pot of gold” promised by their “betters”… always in sight, but never close enough to touch…

    • Colonial Viper 3.2

      Can’t wait for debtors’ prisons to start up again. Ah bugger, better not give the pricks ideas eh.

    • RedLogix 5.1

      Interestingly joe rather like the very similar problem with FGM, it is the older women who actively perpetuate the cycle on the younger generation.

      And what happens when these people simply say that these practises are an integral part of the their culture and us middle-class whitey imperialists should butt out?

      At some point cultural relativism breaks down and you have to be able to point to some universal values.

      • Colonial Viper 5.1.1

        A society and it’s culture has to evolve over time. One can encourage it to do so in many different ways. But it takes time, and leaders from within their own people need to show the way.

        Or, one can choose to disrupt those cultures and societies in order to perpetuate ones own values on to those people more directly. The usual age old justification is that the “primitives need civilising”.

        First of all, I think Europe and the US need to deal with the massive issues of human trafficking, indentured labour and forced prostitution within those territories.

        Where there are zero issues of cultural imperialism or cultural relativity. But plenty of criminal profiteering with both politicians and authorities alike turning a blind eye.

        • RedLogix 5.1.1.1

          I’ve always been leery of the limits of cultural relativism. It’s far to easy to justify any behaviour you want as ‘our culture’ and elevate what is really nothing more than a set of social habits to some kind of ethical absolute.

          Here’s an interesting question CV. Part of me clings to the idea that in the long run a globalised humanity will eventually need to point to a universal code of values in order to sustain a global civilisation.

          But can this be achieved without homogenising all the cultures into a ‘coffee coloured’ soup? Rather how the Boeing 747 in making all destinations equally accessible has tended to make them all equally the same?

    • AsleepWhileWalking 5.2

      *grrrrr*

  4. captain hook 6

    as Adam Smith opined in his first major work, The Theory Of Moral Sentiments, what gives human beings the most psychological satisfaction is command over labour.
    so inmost respects economic dominance is just a smokescreen to bend others to your will and make them obey or face the consequences.
    i.e. personal annihilation
    so the belief that economics is to provide material satisfaction is more marxist false consciousness.
    and Karol, fyi, the use of interrogatives is dishonest, disrespectful and an invalid mode of argument.
    isn’t it.

    • RedLogix 6.1

      Yes. Adam Smith would be appalled at how his work has been selectively misrepresented and used to justify an economic theory utterly anti-ethical to him.

      Smith’s ‘invisible hand’ idea was only a very small part of his ideas, and even he recognised that the idea was largely an hypothetical stalking horse … whose completely unrealistic assumptions more or less proved that ‘free markets’ do not exist in the real world.

      • Colonial Viper 6.1.1

        Yep. In his theory of moral sentiments, Smith also said that it was the nature of humans to want to benefit others and see others happy, even if it was for no direct advantage to oneself.

        Keynes effectively shot down every major aspect of Classical Economics and the more recent Neoclassical version is only classical economics suped up with a complexity of highly elegant looking maths.

        Which the likes of Steve Keen has shown to be completely unsatisfactory and wrong-headed theoretically, and which the likes of NZ has shown to be completely unsatisfactory and wrong-headed in real life.

    • karol 6.2

      Karol, fyi, the use of interrogatives is dishonest, disrespectful and an invalid mode of argument.


      Mmm… I tend not to use questions in written articles or essays that have more space for developing an argument.  In the relatively limited space of a blog post, where people have the opportnity to respond or provide an alternative view, I use them more to indicate contentious or debateable points, or ones where people can add their own views or develop the argument.
       
      In this post, it quickly introduces a common belief that slavery is a thing of the past. Then I go on to argue against it.
       
      You make a very good point about the psychological satisfaction from having command over labour.

  5. asd 7

    The first thing that popped into my head when i read the byline was that WINZ asked me to paticipate in Taskforce Green this week just gone to spray weeds in the Rangitikei region to which I replied I would probably not as I have job interviews on the horizon.

    I don’t know the full details of Taskforce Green and its remuneration but it strikes me as a subplot to get dole figures down and get work done ‘on the cheap’ instead of paying a living wage to those actually doing the work. Another version of ‘modern day slavery’ I would argue as: dole=$200 a week plus another $100 for Taskforce Green=$300 which wouldn’t barely rent a house where I live.

    • karol 7.1

      Sounds like work for the dole with a new name.
       WINZ blurb about it include these points: 

      Taskforce Green is a subsidy that allows people to participate in project-based work where they can develop work habits and general on the job skills. This experience will help people progress towards unsubsidised, sustainable employment….
       
      [to employers] your project must be a fixed term community or environmental project that would otherwise not be done, must not displace existing employees, and must provide full-time work for one or more people.

       
      But I don’t see that spraying weeds is a great job opportunity providing training that will lead permanent and unsubsidised work.  Also, there doesn’t seem to be any requirement that employeers provide work that will meet WINZ’s stated aim.
       
       

  6. fatty 8

    The perpetuation of slavery relied on it being seen as normal. The same process of normalisation is used today to justify poverty and economic slavery.
    Zizek describes how any desire for economic equality is shot down with claims of equality as being utopian.
    Our current form of capitalism has become so normalised that change is considered impossible, despite the belief that almost anything else is possible.

    • karol 8.1

      Ah, Zizek always has a colourful way of expressing himself, and has some good ideas.  Here I feel he is reinforcing what I just heard Bomber, Trotter and Sue Bradford talk about on the Union Report – that the neoliberal way has entrenched individualistic attitudes.  Zizek was giving examples of people pursuing their own desires in a world where “everything is possible” – just not good health care for all.
       
      And also on the Union Report tonight on Triangle, Bradford was talking about the largely hidden exploitation of  immigrants in NZ.  She said it was far more widespread than people realised.  She referred to a very recent example in NZ, in which an immigrant woman was being treated as a slave.  Has anyone seen reports of this?  I was looking around online this morning to see what the situation was in NZ, and the only example I found was that of the immigrant nurses I mentioned in my post.

      • fatty 8.1.1

        I see the union report is up on the Citizen A youtube channel…thanks I’ll have to have a look at it.

        Interesting that – Bomber, Trotter and Sue Bradford talk about on the Union Report – that the neoliberal way has entrenched individualistic attitudes…

        I was watching another clip of Zizek the other day, he was talking about how free market capitalism does create an individualistic attitude, but at the same time it suppresses individualism. Zizek talked about how our desire for individuality is a sham, and the result of our so called individualism is that we all live the same life, chasing the same dream, and facing the same issues, etc.
        So the individualistic attitude really results in nothing but conformity.
        I think of this whenever I see a tattoo these days…just another tattoo – how ‘individualistic’ – yawn.

  7. Gosman 9

    Why didn’t the South African miner move his family closer to where he was working? There is no legal reason why he wouldn’t be able to do so anymore.

    Perhaps jobs are scarce in South Aftrica because the ANC led Government is corrupt, not focusing on fixing the problem, and the country is not friendly to businesses. That is supported by the following article in this weeks Economist magazine.

    http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21564829-it-has-made-progress-becoming-full-democracy-1994-failure-leadership-means

    • karol 9.1

      Did you actually read the full article, Gos, or just some of the headline?
       
      Of course, the Economist is going to be looking at the situation from a perspective that supports big multinationals doing business in South Africa, and not at the damage that such an attitiude of “business at all costs” does.
       
      Did you read this bit? – my bold.
       

      The past two months’ industrial strife is about more than just pay or perks. The protests are a symptom of the deep malaise that has taken hold of South Africa. The ANC was dealt a bad hand in 1994, and it has played that hand badly. South Africa’s difficulties are now so entrenched that the ANC looks incapable of solving them.

       
      The problem, the Economist won’t admit, is that the ANC tried to compromise with, and join in, with the international neoliberal ways of operating.  That has maintained the gross inequalities that existed before apartheid ended.  This is indicated in the article:
       

      The starkest measure of South Africa’s failure is the yawning gap between rich and poor. Under apartheid, such inequality was by design. Since apartheid came to an end, a tiny black elite has accrued great fortunes. …
       
      Persistent inequality is in part down to the government’s failure to educate young South Africans, particularly black ones….

       
      And did you see the sparse home – not much more than a mud hut, that the dead miners family live in? (Al Jazeera video).  Hardly evidence of ability to afford to be able to uproot the whole family and move to be near a mine.  At least they have fairly clean rural setting.  Unlike the kind of more urban township they’d have to move to – like the one in Soweto mentioned in the Economist article:
       

      As the birthplace of the new, inclusive South Africa, it has become a stop on the tourist trail. But just across the railway track, rickety shacks huddle together. The roads are rutted and muddy. Communal latrines stand useless, their doors open and rubbish piled inside. Next to them on the uneven ground wobbles a portable toilet, its door padlocked against vandals. A sludgy stream trickles past, fouled by children unable to find the key in time.

       
      So many contradictions in your comments, gos.  Think again.
       

      • Gosman 9.1.1

        “The problem, the Economist won’t admit, is that the ANC tried to compromise with, and join in, with the international neoliberal ways of operating. ”

        You mean they have to live in the real world. They don’t really. They could take the approach of any number of African nations and put two fingers up against those dreaded multinational companies. A recent example of one doing this was Zimbabwe. Worked a treat there.

        The main thrust of that article was that the ANC is not doing what would enable the people at the bottom to get ahead. Of course with your leftist view of the world I am sure you think it is because they aren’t taking enough from the wealthy.

  8. Gosman 10

    The case of the South African miner is not really a case support the modern day slavery theme of this post. Noone is arguing that South African mineworkers are being forced to work for a pittance. They are highly unionised and have high wages in the South African context.

    • karol 10.1

      They are highly unionised and have high wages in the South African context.
       
      Well, that’s not shown in your above link, Gos.  That link provides evidence of a highly unequal society, where work for unskilled people is hard to come by.  And the big corporates that are siphoning off large profits at the expense of these workers?

      • Gosman 10.1.1

        That article, (and others on that site), made it clear that Labour disputes were discouraging investment and many Mining companies were shedding staff.

        “The recent wave of industrial action will only bring that moment nearer. After the miners at Marikana won a handsome pay rise, 75,000 miners, chiefly of gold and platinum, went on strike, mostly illegally. Anglo American Platinum, the world’s largest platinum miner, has fired 12,000 workers. Gold One has sacked over 1,400.”

  9. Gosman 11

    “And how else can you describe the NAct government’s plan to cut youth wages, other than as wage-slavery.”

    You can make a quite compelling case that it is a policy to enable young people to get a foot in the door of employment. There is strong evidence that abolishing the Youth minimum wage led to big increase in Youth unemployment.

    • One Tāne Huna 11.1

      More bullshit from Gossamer. “You can make a case” – then make one, weasel. Don’t forget to factor in the downward pressure on adult wage levels in your sophistry.

    • KJT 11.2

      “Strong evidence” only exists in right wing fantasists excuse for a brain.

      Both MSD and the Labour department have said evidence supporting a youth rate was inconclusive at best.

      Most overseas research shows youth rates do not increase youth employment.

      Which reflects what we saw locally when there were youth rates. The employers which paid youth rates simply sacked slightly older workers, transferring unemployment from those who got youth rates to slightly older workers.

      However there is, irrefutable evidence that reducing wages, and austerity, reduces overall employment. Which impacts most on the young and low-skilled.

      • Gosman 11.2.1

        ‘“Strong evidence” only exists in right wing fantasists excuse for a brain.’

        A recent study on the topic suggests otherwise.

        http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2535043/senior-lecturer-in-economics-at-canterbury-university.asx

        • McFlock 11.2.1.1

          or rather the point is demonstrated nicely.
               
           

          • Gosman 11.2.1.1.1

            Care to expand on this comment?

            What about what the Economist from Canterbury University was discussing do you disagree with exactly?

            • McFlock 11.2.1.1.1.1

              Given that it was an interview which basically just rehashed the same old shit that has been discussed here ever since the youth rates changed (including apparently by Crampton himself) only without any challenge from the interviewer, pretty much everything.
                     
              I love the way that you capitalise professions when you reckon one of them agrees with you, by the way (“Economist”, “Epidemiologist”).
              It really helps underline the fact that you’re and Idiot. 

              • One Tāne Huna

                Do not attempt to fill the void that is Gossamer: you will just waste your time and energy and the void will enjoy it.

                • McFlock

                  lol – yeah, that and work’s a bit busy today.
                     
                  He is a fascinating little insect, though – I wonder if he got up this morning, bright and cheerful, and said “I think I’ll defend slavery today”. Probably not – though I think his conscience would allow it, his self awareness doesn’t reach that far…

              • Gosman

                Ahhh…. I see. Because you and many other lefties at this site disagree with this study, (mainly on ideological grounds as far as I can tell), it must mean he is spouting crap.

                Wow, the left has a world of intellectual talent given the strength of that argument. Of course it is a pretty dead and barren world but a world nevertheless.

                • McFlock

                  What study? You didn’t link to a study. He added nothing in the interview that hasn’t been said here – and found wanting.
                       
                  Oh, and if by “ideological grounds” you mean “pointing out that his model only worked if his assumptions like that ratios didn’t change over time were true”, then yeah he was spouting crap.
                       
                   

                  • Gosman

                    Are you trying to argue that the person being interviewed did not in fact carry out a study on the topic?

                    As for his assumptions, I think he was extremely careful in pointing out that the results do not necessarily mean a causal relationship between unemployment and the abolition of the Youth minimum wage. It is just a very strong suggestion the two are linked AND you can’t blame the recession for the massive increase in Youth unemployment.

                    Perhaps you have another explanation for the massive increase. Maybe it is because now that National is in charge of the Treasury benches Employers turn into youth hating raving lunatics.

                    • McFlock

                      I was merely pointing out that the content of the interview added nothing to the debate on minimum wage. Again, you’re rerunning arguments already discussed. Repeatedly
                             
                      Such a shame you have the memory of a goldfish. 
                        

                    • Gosman

                      I am pointing out the problem in the statement made in the original post where it was stated.

                      “And how else can you describe the NAct government’s plan to cut youth wages, other than as wage-slavery.”

                      Whether or not these arguments have been raised before is irrelevant in this context.

                    • McFlock

                      Whether or not these arguments have been raised before is irrelevant in this context.

                      Unless of course the arguments you are resurrecting have been demonstrated to be complete bullshit. Which I’ve linked to several times, but I’m sure that you haven’t bothered looking at those arguments simply because you left your Dr Seuss Dictionary at home.
                             
                      Bring a plate, or don’t come to the fucking party. Don’t find some leftover bolognese in someone else’s fridge and pretend like you just won My Kitchen Rules. 

                    • Gosman

                      I disagree they have been demonstrated to be complete BS. You might not agree with them but they follow orthodox economic theory on demand and supply, (i.e. increased costs of a good or service leads to lesser demand in most cases), and the argument also has supporting evidence, (e.g. the study by Canterbury Uni), suggesting that this in fact occured in NZ.

                    • McFlock

                      If you think the debate against the BS was not over, then continue from the point of departure – why are you starting it from scratch, all over again?
                           
                      Secondly, are you actually committing to agreeing with Crampton’s idea that abolishing youth rates led to increased unemployment?
                             
                      Thirdly,  if you want to use the paper as support, cite it or link to it. At the moment you’re just linking to a mediocre interview that rehashes ground already discussed.

                      You can’t really argue that your idea has supporting evidence until you actually present the evidence.

                    • Gosman

                      Where was this point of departure? All you provided around this was a bunch of threads from this site that supposedly deal with the minimum wage discussion. How am I meant to work out what the defining last point was meant to be?

                    • McFlock

                      It’s called “reading”.
                         
                      Hell, you took part in a few of those arguments, you should be familiar enough with them. Unless your ego has taken over the memory centers of your brain.

                    • fatty

                      “Are you trying to argue that the person being interviewed did not in fact carry out a study on the topic?”

                      Do you have a link to the study?…his statements have so many holes in them. The recession is there, he apparently says that’s not an issue, but doesn’t expand on that. This recession has impacted massively on youth in all areas. I cannot understand his logic.
                      But I guess that’s the UC economics department for you!…they are not the tools in the toolbox. They forced out Paul Dalziel to Lincoln Uni years ago. Dalziel would own those UC economic simpletons in his sleep.
                      A quick search for Eric Crampton shows how much of a B-grade economist he really is. Kiwi blog use his analysis of National Standards for a post…it appears as if Crampton enjoys using flawed stats to push his ideology.

                      How does this noddy economist (who wastes his time crunching National Standards numbers) explain the youth unemployment during 2008 in the UK, throughout the world (read the first paragraph), and throughout the EU (look at the table on page 43, you will see that 2008 was an extraordinary year for youth unemployment growth in the developed countries and the EU).

                      I’ll need more than a UC economist talking for 5 mins to make me believe that the recession is not to blame, and that the end of the youth wage caused youth unemployment in 2008…5 mins on google suggests that Eric Crampton is an idiot…I’d be interested to read his study if there ever was one.

  10. captain hook 12

    gosman never makes a case.
    he is just here to confabulate and confuse and send people off on wild gosman chases.
    so gosman why don tyou just fuck off till you have something to say.

    • Gosman 12.1

      Because I haven’t breeched any major terms and conditions of this site and I enjoy seeing many of you turning yourself inside out trying to avoid any uncomfortable points I raise in relation to the downsides of your dodgy thinking.

      • McFlock 12.1.1

        MUCH LOLZ

        • Gosman 12.1.1.1

          I especially enjoy watching you switch your position 180 degrees simply because of your dislike of anything that could be remotely linked to the National party. Your views on devaluation have provided me much meriment recently.

          • McFlock 12.1.1.1.1

            My views on relative currency values (like most things) have been consistent. The trouble is that you’re a moron. Sorry, “Moron”.

            • Gosman 12.1.1.1.1.1

              The trouble is you don’t undertsand economics much at all as evidenced by you trying to have your cake and eat it over a ‘managed’ devaluation by 15% over an extended period which completely ignored the reality of what trying to do so would lead to.

              • McFlock

                The trouble is that you don’t think for yourself – you just spout out like a fresher econ student who has a crush on their neolib lecturer.
                     
                Shame the world is more complex than a slide rule. 
                   
                Oh, and I counter your argument about the exchange rate with the FACT that the Reserve Bank already influences macroeconomic variables via the OCR. Fairly competently, too.

                • Gosman

                  I acknowledge it is complex. This is why there are unintended consequences for ALL policy decisions regardless of them being inspired by left or right wing politics. You on the other hand seem to live in a Pollyannaish world where Exchange rates can be ‘managed’ downward by 15% over an extended period of time with little to no problems. That to me suggests someone who has virtually NO understanding of how the real world works in terms of economics.

                  • McFlock

                    been on the weed again, have you? Forgetting recent arguments?
                       
                    I note with that one that you also ran crying behind “but MY views are orthodox! waaah!”.
                         
                    You have the balls to argue that whether you’re emotionally attached to an argument does not affect its validity when you have a habit of appealing to authority. Dickhead.

      • vto 12.1.2

        But you avoid uncomfortable points all of the time mr gosman. If you are unable to answer an issue you simply pose a question mildly indirectly related and pretend the main question doesn’t exist.

        As an example, I often pose the point that nobody on the right has explained how having foreign landlords is good for NZ, and you bounce around the edges of its but, like all other pro-foreign landlorders, you never actually answer the point.

        ..
        .

        • Gosman 12.1.2.1

          I have answered that question numerous times. You simply disagree with my view on the subject. But just for you I will paraphase the argument once more:

          ‘NZers can possibly get a better return from the capital invested here to purchase the land from other economic outlets and/or the productivity from the land owned by the foreigners can increase at a greater rate than if it remained NZ owned.’

          Now I am quite happy if you disagree with this argument. However you are quite wrong to continue this BS of stating noone has given you an argument. Noone has given you an argument you accept is quite different proposition.

          • vto 12.1.2.1.1

            Your argument that somehow all arguments are equal is the BS.

            That is like saying John Key’s answers of “um, don’t know can’t recall, not my job, can’t remember” are actually answers. They are not.

      • One Tāne Huna 12.1.3

        …uncomfortable points…?

        You flatter yourself. When was the last time you made a “point” – all I ever see is empty questions and long bows.

        • Gosman 12.1.3.1

          I think I made a point about a case to be made in relation to the benefits of reintroducing a form of minimum wage for youth. If you disagree with this being a point casre to discuss why it isn’t?

          • One Tāne Huna 12.1.3.1.1

            1. You didn’t make the case, so why would I bother?

            2. What McFlock said.

            • Gosman 12.1.3.1.1.1

              I did make the case. Simply because you disagree with my arguments doen’t mean a case hasn’t been made.

          • McFlock 12.1.3.1.2

            You rehashed a bullshit argument that has been eviscerated several times by commenters and authors on TS. You didn’t even have the balls to own your “point”, you merely suggested that a case could be made (not by you) and then hid behind the coattails of an msm interview with an economist (sorry, “Economist”). That’s not “making a point”, that’s attempting to steal other people’s intellectual credit while risking none yourself (i.e. you left yourself leeway to argue that you had merely put the point up for discussion, you had never believed it yourself).
                     
            Your ego’s writing cheques your IQ can’t cash. 

            • Gosman 12.1.3.1.2.1

              Wether I personally agree with the argument is irrelevant. You might wish to have some emotional attachment to ideas or concepts but that doesn’t imbue them with any more or less validity.

              • McFlock

                It wasn’t the validity of the ideas I was criticising just then – the ideas have been defenestrated repeatedly. 
                   
                It was the lack of intellectual courage you show by refusing to commit to the ideas you put forward. As well as the dishonesty you exhibit when you try to pretend that you are interested in a discussion, when in fact you are merely recycling arguments that have been done to death in this very forum ad nauseum.
                           
                I guess all I’m really asking is that you go away, have a think, and bring something back to the table that YOU developed, believe in, and are prepared to defend yourself. Otherwise you’re just a shallow jellyfish of a waste of space.

                • Gosman

                  No, you and many other leftists from this site quite obviously disagree with the arguments. That doesn’t mean the arguments cease to exist if you believe there is a sufficiently persuassive counter argument.

                  Funnily enough there is not one ‘right’ way of doing things McFop despite your wishes for it to be the case. ALL policies have pros and cons, even your precious leftists ones.

                  • McFlock

                    It means the arguments cease to be valid, or at the very least reasonably plausible to anyone except the most stupid tory teabagger.
                           
                    The same reason you’d tell me to fuck off if I said that the exchange rate will increase because I read it in tea leaves. The argument would “still exist”, but only a moron would believe it. And then after the exchange rate actually falls, I’d just respond that if it weren’t for my tea leaves it would have fallen even farther.

                • Gosman

                  Funnily enough a number of those threads you linked make little, or NO, reference to debates about the youth minimum wage. They hardly support your view that this debate has been dealt with here before in any meaningful way.

                  • McFlock

                    “a number”
                    “little or ”
                    “youth minimum wage” (as opposed to minimum wage or cost of labour, which are relevant to YMW).
                         
                    Weasel fucking words. 
                         
                     

                    • Rogue Trooper

                      I’ll just pop into this slavery thread ( I actually read most comments when I Standardize) hi flockie, hookie and contrary-one; back so soon from vertical-take-off?
                      well I suppose
                      time slavery
                      sugar slavery
                      cosmetic slavery
                      hygiene slavery
                      media slavery
                      caffeine slavery
                      nicotine slavery
                      oil slavery
                      automotive slavery
                      minimum-wage slavery
                      capitalist slavery
                      economic slavery
                      colonial slavery
                      property slavery
                      status slavery
                      curriculum slavery
                      credential slavery
                      ideological slavery
                      Propaganda slavery
                      religious slavery
                      pharmaceutical slavery
                      technology slavery
                      patriarchal slavery
                      matriarchal slavery
                      therapy slavery (psycho-analytic,behavioural, cognitive)ooh, I like that line

                      now,
                      to get to the nous of the matter, behind the discursive reason and the affective emotional state
                      cura animarum
                      -healing
                      -sustaining
                      -reconciling
                      -guiding

                      “Therapy” (yuck)- ‘normal making’
                      Spiritual Direction- Abnormal making
                      (gettin some theocentric healing goin on as opposed to anthropocentric)

                      the healing of meaning;
                      listening to life stories
                      not just self and self conflicts
                      also experience of, and relationships with
                      God Others World and Self

                      dum de doo..
                      :)

  11. captain hook 13

    gooseman you dont make any arguments at all.
    all you do is fly kites with no substance.
    just like the tories do in parliament.
    their programme is to loot the treasury and overlay their depredations with a whole lot of meaningless nonsense.
    just like you do here.

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    Labour | 02-09
  • MANA Movement Leadership stands strong behind Internet MANA relationship
    “There is now, and always will be, a range of views about many issues within our movement and members are free to express them, but Georgina’s views on Kim Dotcom are not shared by the MANA Movement leadership or the vast majority...
    Mana | 01-09
  • Rebuilding the New Zealand Defence Force
    A Labour Government will make it a priority to rebuild the capacity of the Defence Force to carry out the tasks expected of it, says Labour’s Defence Spokesperson Phil Goff. Releasing Labour’s Defence Policy today he said the NZDF has...
    Labour | 01-09
  • Election 2014; A Post-mortem; a Wake; and one helluva hang-over
    .   . It would be fair to say that the results for Election 2014 did not go as anticipated. The Left has had a drubbing – and some of it was of our own making. In other aspects, there...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Voting turnout affected by bad weather?
    . . NZ, Upper Hutt, 20 September –  Cold, wet weather in the Hutt Valley, north of Wellington may be impacting on voter turn-out. A head-count of people visiting the Trentham School Voting Station in Moonshine Rd, Upper Hutt, indicated...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Final total of advance voting
    And the final total for the advance voting was a staggering 717,579 advance votes against 334,558 in 2011       Tonight, I’ll be watching the TV3 election coverage because I could bare Paul Henry’s smugness one inch more than Mike Hosking’s...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Vice article on NZ election
    Here is my Vice article on the NZ election....
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • The attempt to kill off Internet MANA
    It’s the last day of campaigning today and the long list of those attacking Internet MANA got longer yesterday with Winston Peters backing Labour candidate Kelvin Davis against the MANA Movement’s Hone Harawira. Davis is now supported by Labour, National,...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • A final word on the election – it’s now all up to you
    Brothers & Sisters, the fate of Aotearoa is now all in your hands. We here at the Daily Blog have thrown everything we can at this bloody Government and have spent every waking hour of this campaign trying to highlight...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • I can’t tell what is National Party advert and what is the NZ Herald – ...
    I can’t tell what is National Party advert and what is the NZ Herald – but then again, I never could...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • TVNZ election coverage – white people telling other white people why Nati...
    TVNZ election coverage – white people telling other white people why National Party is great...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • REVIEW: Royals of Kihikihi
    What an absolutely stunning show.  I had to ask twice to check I’d heard right that this is the first staged production for Samuel Christopher, who also played a raw, real, but vulnerable, Wolf Royal, home from London for his...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • 800 Cops to detain 15 ‘terrorists’ – why Australia’s hysterical Isl...
    I’m sorry but I can’t take this current Australian terror threat seriously. 800 cops to detain 15 people and arrest one of them? A week after Abbot decides to send in Australian forces to the cluster fuck of Iraq, suddenly...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Unbelievable corruption inside Government to attack Kim Dotcom
    The corruption inside this Government just more and more filthy – we now have an ex-Customs Lawyer quitting  after being told to bury information that could embarrass the Government, specifically to do with Kim Dotcom… Curtis Gregorash said he was told...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Everyone Loves A Win-Win That Keeps G...
      Permit me to quote some figures at you… -68% of New Zealanders think political news on television focuses too much on politicians’ personalities and not enough on real issues. This is the key result of a recent UMR survey commissioned by...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, another week of ...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, another week of being the most in demand broadcaster in the country...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • EXCLUSIVE: Te Tai Tokerau independent poll (44% Hone-27% Kelvin) vs Maori T...
    The Te Tai Tokerau Maori TV poll on Monday this week painted a bleak picture for Internet MANA supporters, and it’s results have been seized upon by Labour, NZ First and even the Maori Party (who seem set once again...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The time for TPPA weasel words is over
    Almost every day of the election campaign there has been a policy announcement that would potentially run foul of what I understand is currently in the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA):  more constraints on foreign investment or investors … regulation of...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • MELTDOWN – Maori Party turns on their own Te Tai Tokerau candidate – ag...
    The tensions are building in Te Tai Tokerau with the Maori Party on the verge of meltdown. Days out from the election, the Maori Party Executive has tried to heavy their own Te Tai Tokerau Electoral Committee and their own candidate, Te Hira Paenga,...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • We Can Change this Government
    We Can Change this Government – Mike Treen at the First Union stop work election meeting...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Election 2014: For and Against
    With the general election tomorrow, we have had a very noisy campaign but little sign that the electorate wishes for a fundamental change of governmental direction. This reflects in part the fact that the economic cycle is close to its decadal...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Eye To Eye Uploaded: Martyn ‘Bomber’ Bradbury
    This interview was filmed a couple of weeks ago between Willie Jackson and myself, I was a tad off with my prediction of NZ First....
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The Donghua Liu Affair – The Players Revealed
      . . – Special investigation by Frank Macskasy & ‘Hercules‘ Speculation that the Beehive office of Immigration Minister, Michael Woodhouse, was behind the release of a letter linking Labour leader, David Cunliffe, with controversial Chinese businessman, Donghua Liu, is...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • As if you needed another reason to boycott Telecom/Spark – they sold NZ d...
    It should read ‘never stop spying’. As if you needed another reason to boycott Telecom/Spark – they sold us down the river to the US by allowing the Southern Cross cable to be tapped… The ability for US intelligence agencies...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The NZ First-Labour Party attack strategy against Internet MANA better work
    The final days of the campaign are ticking down and Labour and NZ First are manoeuvring to kill off the Internet MANA Party by both backing Kelvin Davis for Te Tai Tokerau. It’s a risky gambit that they better pray to Christ...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Bill English’s latest insult to beneficiaries – apparently they are lik...
    National’s hatred towards the poor continues unabated as National desperately try to throw raw meat to their reactionary voter base in the hope to inspire enough hate and loathing to win back their redneck voters from the Conservative Party and from...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Eminem ain’t happy with John Key
    Eminem ain’t happy with John Key...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Key claims he did not inhale
    Key claims he did not inhale...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Final prediction on election result 2014
    What an election campaign. The character assassination of David Cunliffe kicked things off with the Herald on Sunday falsely claiming $100 00 bottles of wine, $15 000 books and $150 000 in donations  from a donor that turned out to be...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Live blog: Bainamarama takes commanding lead in Fiji elections
      Interview with Repúblika editor Ricardo Morris and Pacific Scoop’s Mads Anneberg. PACIFIC SCOOP TEAM By Ricardo Morris, Mads Anneberg, Alistar Kata and Biutoka Kacimaiwai in Suva WHILE the results are provisional at this stage, it is clear today that...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • 5AA Australia: NZ Elections Two Days To Go! + Edward Snowden + Julian Assan...
    Recorded live on 18/09/14 – Captured Live on Ustream at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/multimedia-investments-ltd 5AA Australia’s Peter Godfrey and Selwyn Manning deliver their weekly bulletin: Across The Ditch. This week, they discuss the latest news as New Zealanders go to the polls on...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • What has Colin Craig done for his Press Secretary to quit 2 days before ele...
    This is VERY strange.  Colin Craig’s Press Secretary Rachel McGregor, has quit 2 days before the election, allegedly telling ZB that Colin Craig was a “very manipulative man”. I’ve met Rachel many times in the past as Colin’s Press Secretary, she is...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • “If you want steak, go to the supermarket and buy steak,” – A brief w...
    “If you want steak, go to the supermarket and buy steak,” said Key in the final leaders debate. Problem of course is that the 250 000 – 285 000 children living in poverty can not afford steak, milk, butter, eggs...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • National’s final bash of beneficiaries before the election
    On cue, whenever National feel threatened, they roll out a little bennie bash just to keep their redneck voter base happy. Nothing like a bit of raw meat policy to keep National voters focused on the evil threat solo parents...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • With All Of This In Mind, I Vote
    This is my last blog before the election and I really just want to speak from the heart. Right now in this country it seems to me that a lot of people consider the “essentials” in life to be simply...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Left has to vote strategically this election
    The dedication, loyalty, and tribalism of party politics means that sometimes the left lets itself down by not voting strategically. We all want our favoured party to get maximum votes, naturally, but the winner-takes-all approach doesn’t always suit multi-party left...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Dear NZ – as you enter the polling booth, stand up for your rights
    The last days before a NZ general election are a busy time as politicians make their pitch and party activists prepare to get out the vote. It is sort of weird watching from the distance of Europe the strangest election...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • What is Waihopai, John, if it isn’t a facility for “mass surveillance...
    John Key assured us on RNZ’s Nine to Noon programme yesterday that “In terms of the Fives Eyes data bases… yes New Zealand will contribute some information but not mass wholesale surveillance.” How does this square with the operation of the...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Catherine Delahunty – Mass Surveillance and the Banality of E...
    Renowned journalist and intellectual Hannah Arendt coined the phrase “the banality of evil” to describe the normalisation of genocide in Nazi Germany. I thought of her phrase when I was listening to Glenn Greenwald and other international whistle-blowers talking about...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Election. Down. To. The. Wire
    Funny how last week it was John Key winning by 50%, now it’s neck and neck. I have always believed this election would be down to the wire and it is proving so. The flawed landline opinion polls the mainstream...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • 3rd Degree uses Whaleoil for story ideas as if Dirty Politics never happene...
    TV3s 3rd Degrees smear job on Kim Dotcom last night doesn’t bear much repeating. It was pretty pathetic journalism from a team who have brought us some great journalism in the past. It is sad to see 3rd Degree stooping...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Live blog: Bainimarama takes early lead in Fiji’s election
    Pacific Scoop’s Alistar Kata reports from yesterday’s voting. By Alistar Kata of Pacific Scoop in Suva Prime Minister Voreqe Bainimarama took an early lead in provisional results in the Fiji general election last night. With provisional results from 170 out...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Has The NSA Constructed The Perfect PPP?
    Former intelligence analyst and whistleblower, Edward Snowden – speaking live to those gathered at the Auckland Town Hall on Monday September 17, 2014. Investigation by Selwyn Manning. THE PRIME MINISTER JOHN KEY’s admission on Wednesday that whistleblower Edward Snowden “may...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • No way – Key admits Snowden is right
    After claiming there was no middle ground. After claiming there was no mass surveillance. After calling Glenn Greenwald a henchman and a loser. After all the mainstream media pundits screamed at Kim’s decision to take his evidence to Parliamentary Privileges...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Bad luck National
    ...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • The incredible changing John Key story on mass spying – why the Moment of...
    While the mainstream media continue to try and make the Moment of Truth about Kim’s last minute decision to prolong his battle against John Key past the election into the Privileges Committee, the reality is that the Moment of Truth...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Themes of the Campaign
    There’s one area of a political campaign that just about everyone, at some point, falls afoul of. The campaign song. I’m not sure quite why it is, but it seems to be almost impossible for political parties to come up...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • GUEST BLOG – Denis Tegg – The NSA slides that prove mass surveillance
    The evidence presented by Glenn Greenwald and Edward Snowden on The Intercept of mass surveillance of New Zealanders by the GCSB is undeniable, and can stand on its own. But when you place this fresh evidence in the context of...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • Ukraine, United Kingdom, Ireland, Scotland
    The Ukrainian civil war discomforts me. It seems to me the most dangerous political crisis since the Cuban missile crisis of 1962. And it’s because of our unwillingness to examine the issues in a holistic way. We innately prefer to...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • John Key’s love affair with a straw man – the relationship intensifies
    John Key’s love affair with the straw man is now a fully-committed relationship. It’s now the first love of his life. Sorry Bronagh. Yesterday I pointed to Key’s constant assurances that there is no mass surveillance of New Zealanders by...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • A brief word on why Wendyl Nissen is a hero
    Wendyl Nissen is a hero. The sleazy black ops attack on her by Slater and Odgers on behalf of Grocery Council chief executive Katherine Rich is sick. All Nissen is doing in her column is point out the filth and...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • She saw John Key on TV and decided to vote!
    . . NZ, Wellington, 15 September – ‘Tina’* is 50, a close friend,  and one of the “Missing Million” from the last election. In fact, ‘Tina’ has never voted in her life.  Not once. In ‘Tina’s’ own words, politics has...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • Eminem sues National Party for unlawful use of ‘Lose yourself’ bhahahah...
    …ahahahahahahahaha. Oh Christ this is hilarious… National Party sued over Eminem copyright infringment US rapper Eminem is suing the National Party for allegedly breaching copyright by using his song Lose Yourself in its campaign advertisements. The Detroit-based publishers of Eminem’s...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • Daily Election Update #12: NZ First to hold balance of power
    Winston Peters’ NZ First Party will hold the balance of power after tomorrow’s election, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict. Mr Peters is then expected to back a National-led...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Election Day is Time to Refocus on Policies
    Over the course of this election campaign there has been a lot of focus on dirty politics and spying, and not a lot on policy. With election day looming, Gareth Morgan is calling for people to refocus on the issues....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • The Kiwi FM Alternative Election Commentary
    Saturday 20 September from 7pm on 102.2 Auckland, 102.1 Wellington, 102.5 Canterbury, or KiwiFM.co.nz...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Beneficiary Bashing unacceptable
    Kay Brereton of the Beneficiary Advocacy Federation of New Zealand says “ the comment made by Bill English yesterday comparing beneficiaries to crack addicts is shocking and incredibly poorly timed.”...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • UN Experience Beneficial
    Acclaim Otago representatives have just completed their participation at the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disability examination of the New Zealand government in Geneva, Switzerland. "It was an interesting two days which we believe has...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Changing face of NZ should be reflected in newsrooms
    With Fairfax Media’s Journalism Intern search closing on Sunday, Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy is urging aspiring journalists from Maori, Pacific and ethnic communities to apply. The deadline was recently extended to 10pm, Sunday...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • SPCA expresses concern over toxin in waterways
    Ric Odom CEO of Royal NZ SPCA has expressed concern over the toxic poison 1080 entering waterways, but DoC, Council’s and Ministry of Health have colluded to make it legal....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • NZ 2014 Election Index – 13-18 September
    Below is iSentia’s final weekly Election Index, covering the period 13-18 September and showing the relative amount of coverage of nine Party Leaders in the lead up to the National Election across news media and social media. The methodology used...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Epsom Candidate (Adam Holland) More Liberal Than ACT
    For the past four years I, like 500,000 other New Zealanders, have been illegally smoking cannabis for medicinal purposes and/or even just for the occasional laugh with friends on the weekend. We don't hurt anybody, we don't cause nuisance, we...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Left Coalition Will Save Dolphins
    A left coalition would safeguard both Māui and Hector’s dolphins, as well as revive our inshore ecosystems. Labour, Internet Mana and the Green Party all have strong policies in place for dolphin protection. The Maori Party, and to a certain...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Waihoroi Shortland: Ngāti Hine is not standing alone
    The Chairman of Te Rūnanga a Iwi o Ngāpuhi, Sonny Tau is blowing smoke worthy of a Dotcom rally with claims that Ngati Hine is standing alone in its opposition to Tūhoronuku says the Chairman of Te Rūnanga o Ngati...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Oceania voices on environment loud and strong
    While money and energy continues to be spent on global talks about climate change, Pacific islanders are scrambling to build sea walls out of sticks, stones, shells and coral, to protect their lands and homes from erosion and rising sea...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Prime Time with Sean Plunket – Tonight
    No MPs tonight --- the campaign will be over at 9 30. Instead we will look back --- and possibly forward on what we have learned and what might happen. Listener Political Columnist Jane Clifton Editor in Chief, NZ Herald,...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Election fails to address youth financial wellbeing
    Young people don’t feel included in New Zealand’s financial success and believe inequality is a problem, according to a new survey conducted by Westpac’s Fin-Ed Centre at Massey University....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Winston’s Waffle doesn’t hide the facts
    The Conservative Party is celebrating the ASA's finding announced today that rejected all but one of the complaints raised against its controversial “Conservatives or Peters” pamphlet. “Despite pages of complaints from Peters legal team the only...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • NZ Independent Coalition looking forward to tomorrow
    “Our team is looking forward to tomorrow. It is a real opportunity to reclaim politics for the people,” said NZ Independent Coalition leader Brendan Horan....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Insights Issue 35/2014 – 19 September 2014
    Insights Issue 35/2014 - 19 September 2014 In This Issue • RMA reform the golden unicorn of policy | Jenesa Jeram...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Special voting arrangements made for NIWA crew
    One of the most unusual polling stations for this year’s general election is in the middle of the ocean miles from land. NIWA’s flagship research vessel Tangaroa, has been doubling as a polling booth for crew and scientists at sea....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Tourism operators urged to vote strategically
    Tourism operators should make sure they know their local candidates’ view on tourism and use their vote to support the country’s second largest export industry, says Chris Roberts, Chief Executive, Tourism Industry Association New Zealand (TIA)....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • WGTN: March for free education
    We are students, university staff, and members of the community. Whichever parties form a government after September 20th, we are demanding an end to corporatisation of education....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Evidence of Corruption a National Scandal
    Internet Party leader Laila Harré will take evidence of corruption to international forums if there is not a full Royal Commission to investigate the growing evidence of the systematic use and abuse of democratic institutions and processes for political...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Govt continues to throw money at charter school experiment
    Official documents reveal the three primary sector charter schools approved last week will cost $2 million to set up as well as divert another $1.5 million of potential taxpayer investment from local state schools next year....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • ACT Final Election Rally
    Elections campaigns are an opportunity for political parties to put candidates and policy to enable voters to choose what sort of New Zealand we want. In this campaign there have been three tests by which you can assess the electoral...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Taxpayers on Hook Again for Solid Energy
    Responding to the Fairfax article that taxpayers are extending another $103 million to keep Solid Energy afloat, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Invermay Petition Tops 10,000 Signatures
    People across New Zealand continue to express their disgust at the downgrading of Invermay, says Dunedin North MP David Clark, as the Save Invermay petition he instigated earlier this year topped the 10,000 signature mark just days before the 2014...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • McVicar vows to continue fight for police
    Garth McVicar stated at a public meeting last week that he would fight to retain a 24/7 Police Station in Napier and no reduction in the number of police staff for the Hawkes Bay region, some said he was simply...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Party Vote Our Weapon in Fight Against Government Corruption
    Internet MANA urges New Zealanders to use their party vote to confront corruption in any new government....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Election day is tomorrow – make sure you’re a part of it!
    Tomorrow, Saturday 20 September, is election day, and New Zealanders’ last chance to have a say on who leads the country for the next three years....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Is the Shape of our Government out of the hands of Voters?
    In the last stuff.co.nz / Ipsos Political Poll before Saturdays election, National is down 5.1% to 47.7% and Labour up 3.7% to 26.15%. These results are remarkably similar to the 2011 election where National received 47.3% of the vote and...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Spirit of Suffrage a Call to Action for All Kiwi Women
    Internet MANA is drawing on the courage and integrity of New Zealand women on Suffrage Day – Friday, September, 19 – to encourage them to pay tribute to the spirit of their foremothers who gained women the vote....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Live Election Night Coverage on TV And Online
    Māori Television’s KOWHIRI 2014 – ELECTION SPECIAL kicks off at 7.00pm this Saturday with a five-hour broadcast focusing on the Māori electorates....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Judge’s Decision Disappoints Fish & Game
    Today’s decision to give a Temuka man 100 hours of community service for selling sports fish to the public has disappointed Fish & Game, which believes the sentence handed down was “too lenient and will not go far enough to...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Cutting-Edge Graphics Fire up TV3’s Election Night Coverage
    TV3’s Election Night coverage, hosted by John Campbell, will be enhanced by cutting-edge graphics that will showcase the night’s results....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Govt rushes to open charter schools in New Year
    The government’s decision to approve four new charter schools last week to open in January next year goes against the Minister of Education’s own advice that the schools ought to have at least a year’s preparation time....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • 7 Days And Jono And Ben at Ten Hijack Election Weekend
    The 7 Days and Jono and Ben at Ten (JABAT) comedians are running their own version of election coverage, with a schedule of entertainment and comedy across TV3, Kiwi FM, the web and social media this Friday and Saturday under...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Fewer Prisoners Equals Less Crime
    In its latest blog, ‘Abolishing Parole and other Crazy Stuff’,’ at http://blog.rethinking.org.nz/2014/09/krill-and-womble-independent-policy.html , Rethinking Crime and Punishment urges government to rethink its approach to releasing prisoners. “The public expectation is that the excellent reductions in the crime...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • McVicar slams his political opponents
    I want a safe and prosperous society and that can only be achieved if we have strong and vi-brant families – McVicar...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Falling economic growth – wage rises overdue
    “The lower GDP growth in the three months to June is further evidence that growth has peaked. New Zealand’s economy is on the way down to mediocre growth rates,” says CTU economist Bill Rosenberg. “Yet wage rises are still weak...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Get Out and Vote campaign a success
    Tens of thousands of workers from all around New Zealand have embraced the Get Out and Vote campaign and have created their own personalised voting plan, the CTU said today. “With three days of voting left in the 2014 General...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Animal Research Failing – So Do More Animal Research?
    Victoria University of Wellington is about to host a lecture on why the success rates of pharmaceutical development is so low and what can be done about it. The New Zealand Anti-Vivisection Society (NZAVS) welcomes discussion on this important...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • ALCP welcomes Prime Minister’s cannabis comments
    Mr Abbott's comments came on the same day as New South Wales and Victoria states announced they would be doing clinical trials of cannabis....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Conservative Party Press Secretary Resignation
    The Conservative Party is given to understand that this morning Press Secretary, Miss Rachel Macgregor resigned althought no formal advice of this has yet been received....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • By ACT’s logic, Epsom should vote for Conservative Candidate
    “Polling released late in the campaign shows that ACT is a busted flush and that by ACT’s own logic, centre-right Epsom voters should vote for the Conservative candidate”, says Labour candidate for Epsom Michael Wood....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • New online medical system
    Immigration New Zealand (INZ) is seeking registrations of interest for a new onshore panel physician network to support an online immigration health processing system....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Students, You Have a Choice, Vote!
    The New Zealand Union of Students’ Associations (NZUSA) is imploring students to ensure they make their voices heard this election, and join the many thousands who have already heeded the call....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Party vote ACT for three years of stability.
    Voters who are concerned that on the latest polls we may be heading for three years of instability have it in their hands to deliver a decisive result....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Women’s Suffrage Movement – Get Out and Vote!
    Tomorrow, Friday 19th September, MANA Movement Candidate for Waiariki, Annette Sykes, will cast her vote at 12 noon at the Zen’s Building, Rotorua. This will follow a march through Rotorua that will assemble at 10am at City Focus, Rotorua. The...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • iPredict Daily Update
    David Cunliffe and Labour have made gains over the last 24 hours, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict, but John Key’s National is still strongly expected to lead the next...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Conservative’s Proposal to Abolish Parole Fatally Flawed
    The Conservative Party’s proposal to abolish parole doesn't stack up, however which way you look at it, concludes Kim Workman in Rethinking Crime and Punishment latest blog, ‘Abolishing Parole and Other Crazy Stuff’ at http://blog.rethinking.org.nz/2014/09/krill-and-womble-independent-policy.html...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Special Edition : The letter 18 September 2014
    Dr Jamie Whyte has been giving thoughtful speeches largely unreported. So we thought we would put out an edited version on the speech he gave yesterday. The full speech is on the website....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
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