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	<title>Comments on: Aloha means hello and goodbye</title>
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		<title>By: Dancer</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/aloha-means-hello-and-goodbye/comment-page-2/#comment-32705</link>
		<dc:creator>Dancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 03:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the idea of a holiday with the kids in Hawaii - except I can&#039;t walk out the door without my workmates having to cover for me. Maybe that&#039;s why some within National were feeling unhappy enough to drop the story? I see from Steve P that English covered for Key on BreakfastTV (and other regular slots too I suspect). Now English has his own young (and extensive) family - I bet he&#039;d have liked some time off too....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea of a holiday with the kids in Hawaii &#8211; except I can&#8217;t walk out the door without my workmates having to cover for me. Maybe that&#8217;s why some within National were feeling unhappy enough to drop the story? I see from Steve P that English covered for Key on BreakfastTV (and other regular slots too I suspect). Now English has his own young (and extensive) family &#8211; I bet he&#8217;d have liked some time off too&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: James Kearney</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/aloha-means-hello-and-goodbye/comment-page-2/#comment-32280</link>
		<dc:creator>James Kearney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brenden Sheehan is a right wing idiot and a liability to Labour- don&#039;t assume he speaks for me or anyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brenden Sheehan is a right wing idiot and a liability to Labour- don&#8217;t assume he speaks for me or anyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: r0b</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/aloha-means-hello-and-goodbye/comment-page-2/#comment-32278</link>
		<dc:creator>r0b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As always the politics of greed

http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleId=10097

Oh and let&#039;s not forget the New Zealand Sucks campaign

http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleID=12171</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always the politics of greed</p>
<p><a href="http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleId=10097" rel="nofollow">http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleId=10097</a></p>
<p>Oh and let&#8217;s not forget the New Zealand Sucks campaign</p>
<p><a href="http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleID=12171" rel="nofollow">http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleID=12171</a></p>
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		<title>By: higherstandard</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/aloha-means-hello-and-goodbye/comment-page-2/#comment-32266</link>
		<dc:creator>higherstandard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said before the politics of envy

http://brendensheehan.blogspot.com/2008/04/wheres-johnny.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said before the politics of envy</p>
<p><a href="http://brendensheehan.blogspot.com/2008/04/wheres-johnny.html" rel="nofollow">http://brendensheehan.blogspot.com/2008/04/wheres-johnny.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: insider</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/aloha-means-hello-and-goodbye/comment-page-2/#comment-32001</link>
		<dc:creator>insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve

It&#039;s utterly uninteresting. According to the Herald Key is in Singapore. Think about the time differences...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve</p>
<p>It&#8217;s utterly uninteresting. According to the Herald Key is in Singapore. Think about the time differences&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Pierson</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/aloha-means-hello-and-goodbye/comment-page-2/#comment-31991</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Pierson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that Key missed his interview on Breakfast this morning. Yesterday, they were advertising he would be on (as he is every Wednesday) but they had English instead. 

English just repeated the same lines: the solution to every problem is lifting after-tax wages through tax cuts (implicitly, not wage rises).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that Key missed his interview on Breakfast this morning. Yesterday, they were advertising he would be on (as he is every Wednesday) but they had English instead. </p>
<p>English just repeated the same lines: the solution to every problem is lifting after-tax wages through tax cuts (implicitly, not wage rises).</p>
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		<title>By: randal</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/aloha-means-hello-and-goodbye/comment-page-2/#comment-31982</link>
		<dc:creator>randal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: higherstandard</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/aloha-means-hello-and-goodbye/comment-page-2/#comment-31979</link>
		<dc:creator>higherstandard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Randal the sun&#039;s out in Auckland at the moment - bizarre but true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Randal the sun&#8217;s out in Auckland at the moment &#8211; bizarre but true.</p>
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		<title>By: randal</title>
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		<dc:creator>randal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no it wasnt a nice headline in the herald today was it...its raining today isnt it. espiner is a creep isnt he. the nats are not going to win aren&#039;t they..have a nice day wont you...bye bye</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no it wasnt a nice headline in the herald today was it&#8230;its raining today isnt it. espiner is a creep isnt he. the nats are not going to win aren&#8217;t they..have a nice day wont you&#8230;bye bye</p>
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		<title>By: j</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/aloha-means-hello-and-goodbye/comment-page-2/#comment-31977</link>
		<dc:creator>j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;its all about character j and espiner exudes creep without even trying.got nothing to do with the message or getting old..its about being a creep..dont you get it?&quot;

That&#039;s the trouble with some people they operate on incorrect assumptions with no basis in reality. Keep up the good work though.
Nice headline in the herald today wasn&#039;t it. Maybe there&#039;s another conspiracy theory in there. Enjoy ;&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;its all about character j and espiner exudes creep without even trying.got nothing to do with the message or getting old..its about being a creep..dont you get it?&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the trouble with some people they operate on incorrect assumptions with no basis in reality. Keep up the good work though.<br />
Nice headline in the herald today wasn&#8217;t it. Maybe there&#8217;s another conspiracy theory in there. Enjoy ;&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/aloha-means-hello-and-goodbye/comment-page-2/#comment-31972</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Key has some cash and is going on holiday in Hawaii.  Maybe he has earnedt a break..That&#039;s unlike the glorious dear leader who fucks off overseas all the time on the tax payers chit? 

And the advent of modern technology means people can stay in touch from &#039;overseas&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Key has some cash and is going on holiday in Hawaii.  Maybe he has earnedt a break..That&#8217;s unlike the glorious dear leader who fucks off overseas all the time on the tax payers chit? </p>
<p>And the advent of modern technology means people can stay in touch from &#8216;overseas&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/aloha-means-hello-and-goodbye/comment-page-2/#comment-31953</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, a couple more things. IrishBill invoked journalistic ethics in refusing to reveal his source which was fair enough. I wouldn&#039;t expect you guys to and agree it would be unethical to do so.

However, identifying the source as being a National MP does raise some interesting ethical questions. Some people would say identifying the person as a National MP rather than a figure in the National party was unethical and I&#039;m inclined to agree. It&#039;s certainly nowhere near as bad as revealing a source but narrowing it down to one of 47 - despite an arguable public interest in revealing this - is a breach of the source&#039;s trust unless permission to do so was given.

It&#039;s a minor point but I hope your reference to Key&#039;s &#039;Maui mansion&#039; was a facetious one. It&#039;s been clearly identified that the property he purchased was an apartment, so it&#039;s a little unfair to claim he will be off cavorting in a mansion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, a couple more things. IrishBill invoked journalistic ethics in refusing to reveal his source which was fair enough. I wouldn&#8217;t expect you guys to and agree it would be unethical to do so.</p>
<p>However, identifying the source as being a National MP does raise some interesting ethical questions. Some people would say identifying the person as a National MP rather than a figure in the National party was unethical and I&#8217;m inclined to agree. It&#8217;s certainly nowhere near as bad as revealing a source but narrowing it down to one of 47 &#8211; despite an arguable public interest in revealing this &#8211; is a breach of the source&#8217;s trust unless permission to do so was given.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a minor point but I hope your reference to Key&#8217;s &#8216;Maui mansion&#8217; was a facetious one. It&#8217;s been clearly identified that the property he purchased was an apartment, so it&#8217;s a little unfair to claim he will be off cavorting in a mansion.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/aloha-means-hello-and-goodbye/comment-page-2/#comment-31951</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m somewhat dubious as to whether this really was leaked by a National party MP as you have suggested, partly because the details of Key&#039;s holiday have already been circulated beyond Caucus.

My understanding is that Key revealed his intention to holiday in Hawaii when questioned by Ruth Laugesen regarding his purchase of an apartment in Hawaii. Key has often disclosed his holiday details in the past.

Laugesen then consulted with other editorial staff at the SST and decided not to run the story. I don&#039;t know if this was to protect Key&#039;s privacy or because Laugesen wanted to hold off to get another story out of it. It leaked out of the SST newsroom and has been floating around since. This isn&#039;t quite the scoop you&#039;re making it out to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m somewhat dubious as to whether this really was leaked by a National party MP as you have suggested, partly because the details of Key&#8217;s holiday have already been circulated beyond Caucus.</p>
<p>My understanding is that Key revealed his intention to holiday in Hawaii when questioned by Ruth Laugesen regarding his purchase of an apartment in Hawaii. Key has often disclosed his holiday details in the past.</p>
<p>Laugesen then consulted with other editorial staff at the SST and decided not to run the story. I don&#8217;t know if this was to protect Key&#8217;s privacy or because Laugesen wanted to hold off to get another story out of it. It leaked out of the SST newsroom and has been floating around since. This isn&#8217;t quite the scoop you&#8217;re making it out to be.</p>
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		<title>By: randal</title>
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		<dc:creator>randal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its all about character j and espiner exudes creep without even trying.got nothing to do with the message or getting old..its about being a creep..dont you get it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its all about character j and espiner exudes creep without even trying.got nothing to do with the message or getting old..its about being a creep..dont you get it?</p>
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		<title>By: j</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/aloha-means-hello-and-goodbye/comment-page-2/#comment-31933</link>
		<dc:creator>j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;who gives a stuff about that little creep espiner and his creepy questions. he needs to go somewhere and get de-creeped&quot;

You guys should really stop shooting the messenger. It&#039;s getting old real fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;who gives a stuff about that little creep espiner and his creepy questions. he needs to go somewhere and get de-creeped&#8221;</p>
<p>You guys should really stop shooting the messenger. It&#8217;s getting old real fast.</p>
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