Alternate forms of protest

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1. Neil 1

   4 March 2010 at 6:52 pm

   so you have no time for the argument that the money spent on the RWC will benefit NZ via exposure overseas, increased visitors, and now -with MTS having broadcast rights – a show case for te reo and maori enterprise?

   it’s adding up to a lot of money and I’m not a huge fan but I think that argument has merit.
   • Mr Magoo 1.1

     4 March 2010 at 8:19 pm

     This road is not that.

     Just because an event might do that does not justify ever hair brained idea that comes out to support it. This walkway it going to knock 2 mins off traveling time and only be useful for this event anyway. Other forms of reducing travel time could be used that did not cost so much and actually did something useful.

     Not so much as an argument as taking a liberty. Or taking our liberty?

     Who can tell anymore? Everything this government ends up doing nowadays is a joke!

     And how is the government involved in a local council issue you might ask?!

     Ask Rodney. The evil canary, not the Auckland district – they have no say anymore.
2. Neil 2

   4 March 2010 at 8:34 pm

   if it was named after Biko then it would be a monument to liberty. and for 3 mil not a bad deal.
3. kaplan 3

   4 March 2010 at 9:51 pm

   Great ideas for naming suggestions, I hope they get one of them.
   Re. the funding. I think the great sadness is that New Zealand missed out on an opportunity to have a world class venue built on the Auckland waterfront instead of this Eden Park revamp.
4. lprent 4

   4 March 2010 at 9:55 pm

   I suspect Neil that you have missed the whole point of the post. The world cup does nothing much for eden-Albert apart from being a frigging nuisance before during and after the games.

   None of the building work does anything for the area after the games are done. The damn cars from the games clutter up the area because the park has insuffient parking.

   Why should Eden-Albert have to put up with the nuisance for the benefit of whom?
   • Neil 4.1

     5 March 2010 at 8:19 am

     that’s why I supported the waterfront stadium option. I can see why some locals might not be impressed.

     but having the games means being stuck with Eden Park as a venue and I still think the games will be a benefit to NZ as a whole and local residents have had rugby on their doorstep for a while now and they’ll also get improved public transportation infrastructure.
     • lprent 4.1.1

       5 March 2010 at 9:06 am

       They already has an improved transport infrastructure. That was all put in during the double tracking of the western rail line.

       As far as I can see, none of the other changes are there for anything else apart from Eden Park and really only useful during this world cup. I’m not even sure that they will be particularly useful even then.

       What would be useful long-term is to put a multi-story parking building on the site. But rugby should pay for that – they need it during their normal matches. I’d suggest that they should go into collaboration with the council, put residents parking only for the surrounding area, with rapid and fast towing, and charge like wounded bulls for parking in the building. Gets rid of the weekend and evening parking issues and encourages the use of public transport especially the train station next door.
   • Rob 4.2

     5 March 2010 at 3:19 pm

     Bollocks, I live in Eden / Albert and I and my children and friends cannot wait.
     • lprent 4.2.1

       5 March 2010 at 3:30 pm

       For what?

       Question is how far are you away from the park… Eden-Albert is quite large
       • Rob 4.2.1.1

         5 March 2010 at 3:49 pm

         Just off Dom Rd, Mt eden side, what we are looking forward to is the flavour of the event before and after the games. It will be great with all the international visitors and even before a std test match the atmosphere is great.

         NZ hosting the RWC is apololitcal, it depresses me when people run it down because they cannot see past there own nose. Lets get behind this, lets put our best foot forward.

         Well now thats off my chest…and I dont work for the Rugby Union, LOL.
5. Lindsey 5

   4 March 2010 at 10:41 pm

   If we have to have $3 million spent on a bit of road which will only be useful for Eden Park, then at least they should name it after someone we all know, not some boring old rugby fart. It also is important to recognise that for many of us rugby is as much about Minto and Mandela as it is about Meads and Mexted.
6. mickysavage 6

   4 March 2010 at 11:03 pm

   I think it is a great idea and giving the road a name to commemorate a significant event in New Zealand’s history is so right.

   The Community Board ought to be congratulated for its foresight.

   If not John then there are a few other names that could be considered.

   Andrew Beyer Lane?
   Newnham Place?
   Cuthbert Close?
   What about Clown Lane to commemorate one of the most despicable incidents of Police history when a couple of clowns were batoned senselessly?

   Clown Lane has a ring about it.
   • Graham 6.1

     5 March 2010 at 8:52 am

     Clown Lane – Minto Lane – both the same, aren’t they 🙂
     • lprent 6.1.1

       5 March 2010 at 8:58 am

       Are you referring to the clowns in 1981 that some police beat the crap out of?
       • mickysavage 6.1.1.1

         5 March 2010 at 9:02 am

         I was
       • Graham 6.1.1.2

         5 March 2010 at 1:07 pm

         Whether the police beat the crap out of him or not, doesn’t change the fact that he is a clown.

         John Minto may well have valid viewpoints. He may well believe whole-heartedly in what he protests about. But unfortunately he has lost a lot of credibility over the years because:

         1. He has become the classic “rent-a-crowd” protestor. Name a cause, name a protest, and there’s a good chance John Minto will be in the thick of it.

         2. He has no understanding or appreciation of the rights of other people. He believes so much in the importance of what he is protesting, that he has no compunction about trampling over the rights of other people. The end justifies the means.

         3. Time and again, he targets people who are just doing their job, their hobby, whatever, and drags them unwillingly into the spotlight for his own purposes.

         4. He berates anybody who dares disagree with him, along with other protesters who he doesn’t agree with, while passionately defending his own right to protest and claiming he is being censored (hello; pot calling kettle black).

         5. He craves the spotlight; much of what he does seems deliberately designed to garner as much attention as possible, even if it is at the expense of effectiveness.

         He is an embarrassment to this country.
         • lprent 6.1.1.2.1

           5 March 2010 at 2:56 pm

           You appear to be truly ignorant – at least of the 1981 tour. The police beat the crap out of some people dressed up as clowns who weren’t even in the protest.

           From what I’ve seen of John Minto, he avoids the media unless he has to. He protests on the issues that he cares about, and they have been remarkably consistent across the decades. He is so meticulous about the rights of others that the police have rarely arrested him (where they have as in the recent tennis tournament, the police will be shown by the courts to have acted improperly). From what I’ve heard the only time that he has been known to ‘berate’ other protesters is when the silly buggers are breaking the law.

           You are an embarrassment to this country – you just fabricated all of your comment up (as well as being ignorant).
           • Rob 6.1.1.2.1.1

             5 March 2010 at 4:01 pm

             Real macho stuff at the last tennis match, wow they really served to that young lady. Those protesters were so brave…..

             What an absolute shambles.
           • spot 6.1.1.2.1.2

             5 March 2010 at 4:18 pm

             Eugene Bingham here – http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=206678

             Meurant was in a post-grad politics class of mine at VUW in the early 90s.

             Naturally the Springbok tour got quite an airing, and this example often cropped up, alongside some other shockers.

             He wasn’t very forthcoming, to say the least.
       • Brett Dale 6.1.1.3

         5 March 2010 at 3:56 pm

         Maybe hes refering to the clowns (IDIOTS) that threw glass bottles at the police and damaged personal property. I dont remember seeing a lot of protestors just holding flowers. I remember As a kid a bunch of them was on new Brighton bridge as I walked pass, throwing items at the police who were just standing there.

         BTW I was 100% against the Tour.
         • Rob 6.1.1.3.1

           5 March 2010 at 4:03 pm

           Yeah my Dad took me to that game, the bulk of the protesters were as bad as anyone. They gave a lot of the game crowd a lot of grief, why was that?
           • John 6.1.1.3.1.1

             5 March 2010 at 4:15 pm

             Cause you and your dad were directly showing support for apartheid.

             Simple enough
             • Rob …

               5 March 2010 at 4:25 pm

               Really, no I was wasn’t and never was my dad, and dont ask me what his ethnicity is as your hole would get really deep.
7. lprent 7

   4 March 2010 at 11:37 pm

   Hah, all you have to do is name it “John Minto Road” and the naming objection disappears
8. Lindsey 8

   5 March 2010 at 6:43 am

   The Eden Albert Community Board have already named a lane in Mt Eden after Tom Newnham. The Board has a proud history of recognising local heroes from the parts of the political spectrum which have been ignored by the predominant C&R majorities on many other Auckland City Community Boards.
9. vto 9

   5 March 2010 at 9:01 am

   John Minto Road would be a good way of remembering that important piece of NZ history.

   lprent I probably walked right past you as a young fulla on the way to the third test. Funny ay, young rural northland rugby lad on way to test passes 20yr old city liberal protester, and here we are today still on (slightly) different sides of the fences. Seems ways get set young in lives.
10. deemac 10

    8 March 2010 at 12:50 pm

    it’s a good rule of thumb that you don’t get anything named after you until you are dead!

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