And now for the real news…

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1. Tracey 1

   21 March 2014 at 10:07 am

   You mean the Nats are lying?

   At best this economy and its leader are trying to impersonate a rockstar economy, or in Key’s case get a photo-op with one.

   Maybe the simplest election billboard campaign would be to photoshop pictures of all the Cabinet Ministers who have been caught in lies and put “Pants on Fire on… (insert date/dates)

   All together in one billboard…
   • aerobubble 1.1

     21 March 2014 at 3:41 pm

     Isn’t there a danger. That returning interest rates to a more normal rate is by no means a reflection of a rock star economy, especially when paid for by tax cuts and government running up debt. It will just leave citizens with the false sense they can go out and spend. Already the US-EU is threatening Russia economy with sanctions… …a rock star economy is a promise Key can’t and isnt delivering on.
2. Augustus 2

   21 March 2014 at 10:43 am

   They might actually have a point with the “rockstar” meme. Some of the greatest stars, measured in sales and idolatry, got their status long after their death. Jim Morrison, Jimmy Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Kurt Cobain, Keith Moon, John Bonham spring to mind. After years of self-abuse and a complete lack of discipline, they wound up dead. Good analogy right there.
3. vto 3

   21 March 2014 at 11:02 am

   You need the track Karol….

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HVogejKx_c

   heads in the sand

   such a kiwi tradition
4. marty mars 4

   21 March 2014 at 11:49 am

   Good post karol. As I noted yesterday from that Collins article

   The Ministry of Justice says 20 per cent of Maori men who turn 39 this year were imprisoned before they turned 35, 4.2 times the non-Maori rate. Corrections Department research says this may partly reflect discrimination by police and the justice system, but primarily reflects socio-economic conditions such as family breakdown, leaving school early and unemployment.

   The process is self-perpetuating because imprisonment itself helps to break up families, disrupts education and makes it extremely difficult to get a job after leaving jail.

   I struggle to get my head around these shocking statistics – 1 in 5 – in any decent society that would be a source of shame and utmost endeavor to change. Yes it a consequence of poverty and associated ills but it is also an area that generates further deprivation as the quote points to.
   • Colonial Viper 4.1

     21 March 2014 at 6:49 pm

     Let’s call it for what it is, shall we MM. An oppressive, partly racist, heartless method of social and political control. It is a full on front in the class warfare that many in NZ society denies even exists.
     • marty mars 4.1.1

       21 March 2014 at 7:17 pm

       Yep and not partly racist either – it is oppression of those most disadvantaged and it is relentless with the grinder destroying lives and the futures of people daily. I agree it is also class warfare because those oppressors want an underclass and they want despondency and they want their full weight on the heel of the throat. Why? Capitalism insists upon it.
       • RedLogix 4.1.1.1

         21 March 2014 at 7:48 pm

         I know that we don’t always interpret racism through the same lens marty, but on this we are on the same page. These stats are absolutely shameful. They make me angry and despairing by turns.

         I’ve seen this madness close up and personal. It’s the interwoven cycles of disadvantage, marginalisation, poverty, violence, abuse and trauma that buggers me. I’m just astounded just how resilient most people are in the face of it; I’d never survive their lives 10 minutes.

         The other element which feeds into these numbers is the indication of a shockingly high rate of brain trauma that some recent NZ research uncovered in our prisons.

         http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/9335492/Most-prison-inmates-have-brain-injuries

         Googling on ‘brain injury prison population’ comes up with a whole bunch of similar results.

         Yes it a consequence of poverty and associated ills but it is also an area that generates further deprivation as the quote points to.

         QFT
         • marty mars 4.1.1.1.1

           21 March 2014 at 9:31 pm

           Yes red I agree with you. Sometimes an issue, or the effects on people from oppression, cut through our individual filters and binds us, in opposition to it, as left – and when that happens we realise the real reason we believe in left principles – it is because we believe in people and because the injustice some people have to live with is intolerable to us. We fight it as we can, when we find it, and we won’t stop doing that, in small or large ways, until the injustice is gone.
5. geoff 5

   21 March 2014 at 5:59 pm

   I hope the rockstar economy bites National on the arse.

   The media will be going on and on about how great the economy is but all us ‘punters’ are going to be just as poor, if not poorer.

   Add in higher power bills and mortgage repayments and the contrast between ‘brighter future’ bullshit and John Key’s neolib reality will get blindingly stark.
6. jepenseque 6

   22 March 2014 at 7:20 am

   So we are below 2007 levels achieved under the previous govt, with a clear downtrend in place and this stat is used to attack National?
7. The Real Matthew 7

   22 March 2014 at 12:37 pm

   This writer could do with expanding his reading to David Farrar’s Kiwiblog.

   Instead of replying on anecdotal evidence David deals with the hard facts. Unfortunately for the writer the hard facts don’t back up the ideology being spouted here.

   http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/03/behind_the_headline.html
   • Murray Olsen 7.1

     22 March 2014 at 8:22 pm

     Matthew gets the prize for funniest post of the century. The only thing Farrar has in common with facts is that they both start with the same two letters, fa – also used in sweet fa.
   • karol 7.2

     22 March 2014 at 8:41 pm

     Maybe you should read my post, TRM. And then explain why you perfer DPF’s post to mine, rather than taking other people’s words as the final say on the issue.

     My post also mentions other surveys/data such as the OEDC one and the Household survey and contrasts the results.

     What DPF doesn’t take into account, but is mentioned in my post, is that these surveys measure slightly different things. Food poverty and the Household Survey cover things that are absolute necessities. The OEDC rankings that NZ did well on were more to do with things like employment rate, relative poverty, and selected health measures – not the focus of absolute poverty, like struggling to eat – sometimes going without.

     Then DPF mentions at the end of the post, that yes, some people in N are doing it tough – kind of an afterthought – or maybe some weak ass covering by DPF.

     Edit: What does this mean?

     Instead of replying on anecdotal evidence David deals with the hard facts.

     ermmmm… what anecdotal evidence have I used? Are you talking about reports from agencies that work with those in poverty? DO you think they don’t keep records of the work they do? And, what – you don’t want to hear about the hardships of people in poverty? Just reduce them to statistics?

     I also supported that with evidence from the surveys as mentioned above.

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