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And now from the real Labour Party…

Written By: - Date published: 9:54 pm, January 26th, 2013 - 143 comments
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It’s been a good few days. Ratana on Thursday and Friday, and Young Labour Summer School today and tomorrow. And then there is David Shearer’s speech to come on Sunday, at the end of the Summer School.

The Ratana Church gathers to celebrate the prophet’s birthday on the 25th of January. In recent years political parties have paid their respects on the day before. This year, David Shearer came on Thursday 24th with a delegation, including a group from Young Labour on their annual Clarion tour.

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David Shearer stayed over to attend the main day service in the Temepara. Party President Moira Coatsworth was there too, as was I. This followed from last year’s invitation from David Shearer to Ratana’s Tumuaki, Haare Meihana, to visit Labour in Parliament, as TW Ratana had done. That visit has led to ongoing discussions between Labour and Ratana about how to recognise and consolidate the long-standing relationship in today’s world.

There were a number of other happenings at Ratana, all interesting. The Maori Party chose the weekend and the venue to ventilate their leadership issues, and the Mana Party climbed in to the debate. My impression was that this was not appreciated at Ratana, where TW Ratana’s message of kotahitanga and rangimarie is paramount.

John Key argued, when the National Party visited, that while Labour had a relationship with Ratana National delivered. He cited rebuilding of houses at the Paa and recent Treaty settlements. This too did not go down well. His hectoring tone made it sound as though Ratana Maori should have been grateful for their blankets. It was also not lost on anyone that while National may have finalised some Treaty settlements, it was Ratana’s Labour Members of Parliament Matiu Rata and Koro Wetere who had been Ministers when Labour passed the Treaty of Waitangi Act in 1975, and the Amendment Act in 1985 that allowed the redress of grievances back to 1840 that made these settlements possible.

I have been going to Ratana for the celebrations for many years now. The korero has always been highly political, going back to the days of the prophet himself, and Labour’s first visit by Harry Holland. There is no question in my mind that Maori are intensely interested in the next election, and that their view may well be shifting in favour of the old relationship with Labour, that has delivered far more to morehu whanau than any of the more recent arrangements. As my old colleague Mike Williams would say, watch this space.

Young Labour’s summer school was also a delight. I had no idea of what pleasant places lie behind Wainuiomata, and enjoyed listening to the bellbirds as well as the insights from the likes of Rod Oram, Brian Easton, Anna Hamer-Adams and others.

Summer School was started by Alastair Cameron and Jordan Carter in 2003, at which I presented the first session on an Introduction to Social Democracy. 120 Labour members registered for this year’s school, young and old, including Alastair and Jordan, although Young Labour continue to organise it. Their forward-looking influence was shown in this year’s theme – “Labour’s Unique Narrative for the Future.”

A usual, it was stimulating, refreshing and inspiring. Labour has a great group of young ones, all optimistic and all active. It was also great to be able to say “Happy New Year” to David Cunliffe who was there, as was Trevor Mallard.

The scene is set. 100,000 houses has National on the run. I’m really looking forward to David Shearer’s speech tomorrow.

143 comments on “And now from the real Labour Party…”

  1. geoff 1

    Astounding.

  2. handle 2

    In the holidays I visited the beach. There were some dogs. They liked me more than my sister. We had icecream. It was real.

    • QoT 2.1

      Today I went shopping and the weather was lovely. In 1985 I was a toddler and my speech was very advanced for my age. I also like icecream.

      • Tim 2.1.1

        In 1985, my son turned 5 and my brother was christened in the Ratana Church. We ll had a very luvly time. My brother told us a story too about the spirituality of Ratana, including trippy little visions he had. It was his epiphany – no need for any more lysergide or magic mushrooms.

        He also told us about the regular visits of politicians that used to turn up once a year and throw gifts and promises. He said they all bowed down and as the politicians left – thinking they had it all in the bag – the congregated all thought – what do these cnuts think we are…….cargo cultists maybe?. More fool them then.
        The weather was very nice.
        We marched and played trumpets.
        We frollicked in the summer sun.
        A good time was had by all

        • xtasy 2.1.1.1

          Yeah, and thus “vote Labor” (the painful labour)

        • bad12 2.1.1.2

          I also like ice-cream, lysergide is nice and trippy little visions can be scary too , i frolick in the Sun even now but cannot play a trumpet…

          • Anne 2.1.1.2.1

            I think GoodGoodyGumDrops is the best ice-cream. Its got lots of jellybeany thingies in it and they taste real nice. I once ate a whole carton and it made me feel sick.

            • CV - Real Labour 2.1.1.2.1.1

              Anne :)

              • Akldnut

                I’m old and grumpy or so my wife says and I still like ice cream (Hokey Pokey and Boysenberry Ripple) but preferred the old Hokey Pokey when they were chips and not balls.
                I too can’t play the trumpet but enjoy eating them.

    • The Al1en 3.1

      Chasing spooks on the standard, the real ghost busters more like.
      Just tell Shearer, if someone asks him where will the votes come from in 2014, the answer isn’t mmm, ah, um, is it brighter futures?

      Looking forward to post election when the headline will read – And now, something completely different.

      • ordinary_bloke 3.1.1

        Re. ‘spooks’ – I understand that a number of embassies follow The Standard but doubt that they would own up to it in case their budget is cut, but .. it is a public forum.

        It is also something of a compliment to lprent ..

  3. hush minx 4

    I had a bit of a grumble about some people I know but I didn’t let it get me down. Not worth talking to them really, they’re not like me. I’d rather focus on the positive.

  4. lightly 5

    What was “Labour’s unique narrative for the future”? And when will you start telling it?

    Why hasn’t Kiwibuild moved the polls an inch? Is it because it’s unaffordable for the working class and the young?

    Also, what’s the game with the aggressive title? You know most of the young labour members there were are Standard readers and commenters.

    • handle 5.1

      “What was “Labour’s unique narrative for the future”? And when will you start telling it?”

      When the fossils are dislodged in favour of the young.

  5. RedLogix 6

    Let’s put it like this Mike.

    You guys can have your way. I’m not interesting in squabbling over this for months. But if David Shearer does not win the next election I’d expect mass resignations from the Labour Party of EVERYBODY who supported him. Including you.

    Consequences.

    • The Al1en 6.1

      If that had happened after the 2011 beating in the polls Labour wouldn’t be in the bizarre situation of actively and very publicly trying to squash dissent from it’s hard core voter base in order to win 5% of nationals vote.

      • lightly 6.1.1

        with the exception of the chief of staff, all the senior people around Goff are still in place around Shearer. Chief press sec, ‘strategic advisor’ (Pagani), campaign strategist (now also deputy leader), policy director, head of research, ‘brains trust’ of Mallard, King, Robertson, and Goff.

        After the disaster of 2011, Shearer should have cleared the decks of the people who made the decisions who caused that disaster – the ones that decided to try to hide Goff. The ones that thought dropping all the policy during the campaign (including raising the retirement age) was a good idea. The ones who didn’t offer that ‘narrative’ Mike speaks of. They got a good slogan – ‘own our future’ but had nothing to back it up with apart from not selling assets. Instead, those failures are being allowed to fail again and only a handful of junior people got the sack.

        • handle 6.1.1.1

          “They got a good slogan”

          From the marketing agency they hired who made that great campaign opening film maybe?

        • xtasy 6.1.1.2

          Is King not going for the next Wellington Mayor job, as I heard or read somewhere???

          • Benghazi 6.1.1.2.1

            I’ve heard King back away from that potential role.

            This is likely to be because there is too much uncertainty about the role with the Lord Mayor concept in play and not in a strong position to go head to head with Fran for that role. Wellington Mayor also doesn’t pay as well as an opposition MP and King doesn’t qualify for the gold plated Parliamentary super.

            • Fortran 6.1.1.2.1.1

              Understand that Annette, may, by agreement not stand, and not to upset the current Greens incumbent, Celia Wade-Brown, who is doing a good job.
              It would split the left wing vote and let the right in.

              • alwyn

                It doesn’t matter if you “split” the left-wing vote.
                The mayoralty vote in Wellington is done on a preferential system, which is how Wade-Brown won. Prendergast led through most of the counting and it was only as all the other candidates were eliminated that W-B got through in a last gasp win.
                You might be right if the Mayor’s election was in a FPP system but it isn’t.
                On the other hand, as a Wellingtonian, I would have to say that you are woefully wrong when you say that W-B is doing a “good job”.

        • xtasy 6.1.1.3

          lightly: Shearer can’t “clear the decks”, because the ones he would have to clear are the very ones that got him where he is!!!

    • Colonial Viper 6.2

      For the sake of my sanity, I’m also adopting this position. Kudos to your foresight Mike, and also the rest of caucus backing Shearer to the hilt, if Labour brings home the bacon for the Left in 2014. I’ll personally buy caucus a case of bubbly.

      Fail, and all of you get buried by history and don’t frakin come back. The rest of us will pick up the pieces after 3 Tory terms.

      • the sprout 6.2.1

        My prediction for 2014: Labour achieves record low vote, Greens highest ever.

        Yours,
        Real Labour

        • xtasy 6.2.1.1

          If Shearer is still there in 2014, I will dance naked in Vulcan Lane, CBD, Auckland after his election win

    • The Fan Club 6.3

      Erm what? (a) no dice guys, unless you’re willing to resign en masse in the event of a win, and (b) it’s fucking bullshit to demand that a guy who’s worked for the party and the movement for as long as I or anyone else can remember resign because you’re pissed off your boy lost.

      Lose the contempt of assuming that the party has to follow your orders., it’s really really unattractive.

      • The Fan Club 6.3.1

        Wait hang on holy fuck you aren’t even a member are you? I mean sweet fuck I actually find the idea of a sanctimonious Green member talking smack about long standing Labour members like this hilariously offensive.

        • Colonial Viper 6.3.1.1

          Nah mate, asking people to back themselves is what its come to. This is now a world of consequences.

          it’s fucking bullshit to demand that a guy who’s worked for the party and the movement for as long as I or anyone else can remember resign because you’re pissed off your boy lost.

          I think RL stated quite clearly that he’s willing to accept that Mike and the other Shearer supporters might finally be proven right.

          • The Fan Club 6.3.1.1.1

            Consequences? Look, mate (!), you do us all a favour and roll Curran and then we can talk about consequences. Until then, I think I’m going to write you off as an internet blowhard.

            • fenderviper 6.3.1.1.1.1

              You may be expecting the wrong person to “roll Curran”.

              A real leader (her boss) would be the one to reprimand her for her Nact style privacy breech. Any fan club blowhard fool without blinkers would realise this.

      • blue leopard 6.3.2

        psst [Who is going to break it to The Fan Club that Labour have just lost 2 elections in a row?

        I don't have the heart to and its clear the Fan Club isn't aware that this has occurred, is the source of peoples' distress, and the same approaches will not bring a different result; appears to be in denial....inferring weird causes about "your boy" losing, being the cause of these comments...deep denial

        How does one lift the veil of serious denial from these...people..., so they stop dreaming and start acting e f f e c t i v e l y?] Anyone?

      • rosy 6.3.3

        “Lose the contempt of assuming that the party has to follow your orders., it’s really really unattractive.”

        You might want to follow your own advice re party members, methinks.

    • David H 6.4

      But you won’t get them RedLogix. They are too attached to the public teat, to have to go out into the nasty real world and have to do something tangible for their wages. Unlike the sit on arse, and rake it in on the teat.

  6. DJ 8

    “It’s been a good few days” . Fuck me you set very low standards ………..

  7. Peter 9

    Hang on Mike. Am I correct in reading in your title that some of us here are not the “real Labour Party”?

    • The Al1en 9.1

      Real Labour party, meet realist Labour voters.

    • QoT 9.2

      Oh yes, according to Mike a good number of us are part of the Outside Left. It’s like the Twilight Zone only with more singing of the Internationale.

    • Ed 9.3

      I thought it was well known that as well as “real Labour Party” people, some who post in here are Green, Mana, Maori Party and even National supporters, as well as the confused, uncertain and bewildered . . .Some of those are represented in this thread – where do you fit, Peter?

      • Tom 9.3.1

        That’s what I like about this site .. regardless of provenance, it attempts to set *The Standard*

        Cough, cough ..

    • the sprout 9.4

      Well I guess we’re not Real Labour like Douglas, Prebble and the current ruling cadre of neoliberal party hijackers – we just happen to be the weirdo trouble makers with, like, leftwing values

  8. Pete 10

    Bloody hell, Mike. Shearer’s speech better be something special. No more of this keeping your powder dry until the campaign. We need a stream of genuine policy building up to a cogent manifesto over this year. The housing was a good start, but we need follow through, like a commitment to reverse National’s employment law. Otherwise quit pissing on our legs and telling us that it’s raining.

    • Pete 10.1

      And if you’re wondering if I am a genuine Labour Party member, here’s my 2012 membership card I’m undecided whether to sign up for 2013.

      Edit: although it says much that I feel it has come to this.

  9. Alanz 11

    Hi everyone

    From a long-standing Loyal Labour member who has current NZLP membership, and who has always supported and continues to support the incumbent, I have been wanting to refrain from commenting all evening but I cannot bite my tongue and just bear with it any longer.

    For me, this post by Mike Smith, with the title he has chosen, illustrates that things as they stand presently have not improved since 2008 but have gotten worse and indeed gone backwards for the Labour caucus vis a vis the membership. At this point in time, Labour should be steadily strengthening but current circumstances feel like there is still a way to fall before hitting rock bottom. The disconnect, which I felt after speaking with dejected Labour MPs in December 2008 and early 2009s, has not been bridged and seems even wider than ever.

    I feel increasingly despondent that the sense conveyed is that of a shrinking number of Labour MPs barricading themselves from people that they should recognise are its champions, supporters and friends. When the incumbent became leader, I felt that a caretaker had been put in place. And I have been willing either to wait for another candidate, or other candidates, to emerge or to give the incumbent the support to grow into the job quickly for a real challenge against National. Why is it that I am finding it more difficult to shake of the sense that, as far as the Parliamentary wing is concerned, the party seems to be in the hands of undertakers?

    • xtasy 11.1

      THANK YOU, all you say proves my case: We NEED a NEW LEFT party!

      • muzza 11.1.1

        Actually no, what is needed is for people to completely disregard the primitive thoughts that central government is needed at all.

        People are getting on, (just) despite its efforts, and while the institutions the masses have been programmed into believing they need to survive, are killing/trapping ever greater numbers, why do people still look to arcane entities to turn it around.

        Find it in yourself, with your family and friends, don’t expect that you can get any traction inside the current game, the game masters have it stiched up, and by seeking to continue to play along, the results will continue to trend!

        Time for natural thinking (No I don;t mean the Greens)

        • PlanetOrphan 11.1.1.2

          muzza at the reigns of Anarchy ….
          not like that M8! , more irregularity and confusion please M8!
          Pointy hat on and all ;-D

        • fatty 11.1.1.3

          well said Muzza,

          The problem is that Labour is a top-down party that takes power away from its base – see Mike’s title for this post, its very demeaning.
          We should resist this top down power hold and strive to create parties that give more power to their base, fortunately these already exist in Mana and the Greens.
          Rather than a new left party, the left needs to vote against Labour. By voting for our true left parties that already exist, and then spend time working within them, our political energy will be used effectively. Any energy put into Labour at the moment does nothing but strengthen the grip of Mallard, King, Goff & Robertson.
          As a left winger, your time will be better spent with a local grassroots movements, or ground up political parties.
          Just don’t depoliticise with too much cynicism…

  10. Saarbo 12

    I haven’t been a Labour member for very long, so I dont know Mike Smith apart from the posts on this site. I would have thought that David Shearer could have found someone to advise him who wasn’t such a condescending wanker.

    Having attended my 1st Labour Party Conference in November, one of the things that I did notice was the lack of Maori (in fact, I made this comment on TS just after the conference), Labour has a lot more work to attract the Maori vote back, as its not going to happen by merely attending the Ratana Church gathering each year.

    • xtasy 12.1

      But that is how ignorant and arrogant Shearer is: He thinks by going to Ratana, and criticising the Maori Party, all young and old Maori will come flying, to sign up and vote for Labour. Imbecilic that thinking, but I am not surprised.

  11. Blue 13

    Reading these posts is like walking into an alternate universe where puppies skip amongst daffodils in the sunshine and butterflies land on Shearer’s shoulders wherever he walks.

    Meanwhile, back in the real world, some guy with no deep links to either Labour or Ratana went to a marae and started posturing like a fool.

    Did he even know the significance of Ratana or did someone have to explain it to him?

    • xtasy 13.1

      As I have “diagnosed” Shearer, he is a mere “opportunist”, and that is why he went to Ratana!

  12. Salad 14

    Young Labour are a bunch of bores. If that’s your real Labour Party, you can keep them. Me, I’m heading to the Greens, now they know how to run a political party.

  13. Jim in Tokyo 15

    “at which I presented the first session on an Introduction to Social Democracy”

    Ever considered reprising the contents of that speech for us ‘nutters’ who think Labour 2013 is still lost down a third-way cul-de-sac?

  14. xtasy 16

    I notice ONE thing right away, seeing Shearer in that photo up the top:

    He has HIS HANDS IN HIS PANT’S POCKETS!!!?

    Now a “HANDS ON” polly does to me look a bit different.

    Going around with hands in your pockets may be ok at a flea market or whatever else, but for a “leader”, say rather “wannabe leader” it is a death certificate.

    I only read arrogance, indifference and laziness out of it. Maybe it was just a shot at the wrong moment, but also I have seen to many captures of Shearer with his hands upon his hips. That is to me another signal, I have seen too much of, it is clear body language, a bit of a show of “power” and “arrogance”.

    Surely, I know body language, and what I see is not anymore that much mumbling and stumbling, but this hands in pocket and on the hips kind of attitude. It is a sign of LAZINESS!

    Let me tell you guys in all discretion: That is NOT how a hands on and smart, acting leader looks like!!!

  15. xtasy 17

    Mike – your link to Robertson under “summer school” is quite revealing. I see lots of partly balded, grey haired and other folk, who do not really look much like “Young Labour” or “young” as such. Are you sure you linked the right caption there?

    Well, I am not the least disappointed, as I will never vote your party ever again, I had it!

    So much BS in one thread is beyond of being bearable. You need a wake up call, and get out of your master’s office, where you are on too high a salary and over protected from the real world out here.

    Sorry, you lost me completely with this post!

    • karol 17.1

      xtasy: I see lots of partly balded, grey haired and other folk, who do not really look much like “Young Labour” or “young” as such. Are you sure you linked the right caption there?

      That’s how it looks, xtasy. Or maybe there’s a lot of young Labour (white) guys who are going bald at a young age – happens. And there seems to be more guys than women… or is it that the guys are on one side of the room, and the women mainly on the other, and the camera mostly took in the guy’s side?

  16. Pascal's bookie 18

    Red sed: You guys can have your way. I’m not interesting in squabbling over this for months. But if David Shearer does not win the next election I’d expect mass resignations from the Labour Party of EVERYBODY who supported him. Including you.

    Word.

  17. Pascal's bookie 19

    Fucking listen Mike.

    The response doesn’t have to be a capitulation, bur you have to show that you are least fucking hearing what people are saying.

    • The Fan Club 19.1

      Why? Like, for reals, why the hell should Mike take seriously the grandiose ravings of a pissed off Green voter? RedLogix is a guy on the internet who is seriously insisting that large parts of a political party he isn’t even a member of quit because they don’t just do the thing he wants them to do.

      Pascal, the big problem is that you guys are unbelievably isolated within the party, those of you that are within in. My read at this point is that probably of the party activists, a good third now thinks the Standard is a den of Tea Party-esque crazy (see Scott Yorke’s increasingly bemused postings.). Amongst Labour Youth it’s way worse. I think there’s pretty much unanimous agreement that the Standard’s a write-off there.

      That’s not the number for Shearer (at this point much higher, I’d be guessing if it went to a vote 55-60%?). That’s a large swathe of the party thinking y’all here are just not in touch with reality.

      It’s why Mike can be at a large gathering of party faithful and say stuff like this and not get any push back in person. If anything, I reckon he’d be having difficulty paying for his drinks at the moment.

      • The Fan Club 19.1.1

        (Look at Sanctuary’s post in the Greens thread. He’s no Shearer-ite, but he can see what’s happening.)

      • Colonial Weka 19.1.2

        Maybe that’s true (hard to tell really), but it doesn’t make the criticism of Shearer, the ABCs, or Labour’s current neoliberal focus wrong.

      • RedLogix 19.1.3

        No the point you keep missing TFC is that Labour has now lost two elections in a row, and the polls have you firmly on track to loose a third. The left does not have the media on it’s side. Simply doing nothing and expecting the electoral cycle to deliver you into government every 2-3 elections is a losers strategy.

        People like you have insisted that Shearer is the man. Fine … have it your way, it’s your choice and your Party. And when Labour get another 31% in the next election Shearer will do the expected thing and fall on his sword. Or will the wider Party man up and take responsibility for the choices it has made? Especially those in the inner circle who had all the power.

        And yes I may well be a pissed off Green voter; I have every right to be because for at least the foreseeable future the Greens need a vibrant winning Labour Party to be in coalition with. Alternatively I’m increasingly of a mind to think maybe we should take the hard road, accept that Labour is dying on it’s feet and hope we can bury Labour within three to four election cycles.

        And just so as it is clear, I’ve been strongly pan-left all my life. I’ve strongly gone into bat for Labour in the past, I’ve donated substantially and I still hugely respect their legacy. But right now the Greens look increasingly like the future…. and I’m in.

      • Olwyn 19.1.4

        @The Fan Club: “I’d be guessing if it went to a vote 55-60%?). That’s a large swathe of the party thinking y’all here are just not in touch with reality.”

        That is supposing that your guess is right, and also that the 55%-60% think as you claim they do. We do not know exactly where the 31% of the general population who are presently supporting Labour stand, and we do not know either how a members’ vote would go since such a vote has not happened. We all tend to think that “everyone else thinks as we do” because we tend to hang out with people who think as we do.

        Here is a link to the list of the NZ Labour Party’s social-democratic principles. http://www.labour.org.nz/about-us

        Do you think that members are foolish or mistaken in trying to hold MP’s to those principles?

      • millsy 19.1.5

        Is it just me, or are you a bit of a right winger who thinks Labour should be National-lite. Suggest you just go and join National. That’s what you want really.

      • MrSmith 19.1.6

        Fan Club it’s great to see someone sticking up for Shearer and the Labour party, I mean it.

        Unfortunately you and Mike along with Matthew Hootten and a couple of other right wingers seem to be the only ones supporting Labour and Shearer around here.

        Stop attacking the messengers, instead how about pointing out why we are wrong, and why we should get behind or at least stop criticizing a party that got absolutely screwed in the last election and appears to have learnt nothing from it.

  18. xtasy 20

    Mike Smith just release one other LEAD BALLOON! All for the favour of dear ol David, the shorn one, of Labour, I believe, of sorts, but I cannot link the pieces together with a history of sorts.

  19. Elizabeth Bourchier 21

    I had a stone in one if my shoes.
    After reading this I now have a stone in both shoes.
    I feel very uncomfortable.
    I going to take off my shoes and sort it out.

  20. the sprout 22

    Here’s Shearer’s latest cutting edge media foray, all about his dog called ‘Tino Rangitiratanga’, who apparently is

    “a firm favourite of his master….

    “He’s a lovely little dog. He’s generally well-behaved and he loves swimming.””

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10861647

    • chris73 22.1

      Thats brilliant, as a National supporter I have to say that while I think Labour will probably win the next election David Shearer is Nationals best bet for winning a third term

    • just saying 22.2

      Not as an affirmation of Maori sovereignty though. He is keen to point out that Tino is a play on the word ‘tiny’, and the pet came into the family on Waitangi day.

      I suppose there is a kind of black positive in this. Shearer is refining his dog whistle.

      Now all he needs is a cat called ‘left’ who is a bloody nuisance and hangs around, and hangs around though even though no-one sitting at the table wants her. She happened to be living in the house when the Shearer’s bought it.

      And a pampered inbred pedigree called ‘Trickles’ who pees all over lesser beings. Shearer could quip: “we like to think we own Trickles, but cats like her don’t have owners, they have a staff”.

      • Colonial Weka 22.2.1

        lolz.

        Can’t see the connection between the word ‘tino’ and the word ‘tiny’ myself. Other than if you are writing them down.

        Here’s betting that the Shearer household pronounce their dog’s name ‘tee – no’

    • marty mars 22.3

      I’d normally go off about the symbolism and insult behind that dogs name but I just called the rat I caught in the rat trap ‘shearer’ so I suppose I’m no better.

    • QoT 22.4

      *headdesk*

      Next up: we meet John Bank’s dog Das Kapital, so-named because Banks’ kid said “he’s all covered in marks!” when they got him.

  21. chris73 23

    You know that all Labour has to do to win the next election is not say any stupid things (so the mps should just say nothing), not say any outright lies (again the mps should not say anything), publicly support Shearer (funnily enough the mps should…well you get the idea), display a committed team working towards the goal (again with the mps) and Shearer should stick to press releases…

    Not that hard really and it would have won the last election as well…

  22. Macro 24

    Mike this is the sort of thing your party should be saying

    http://www.greens.org.nz/press-releases/greens-take-steps-build-movement-oppose-government

    but we hear it not.

  23. lprent 25

    I’ve attended quite a few Summer Schools over the years. They have frequently been informative and useful to me and the campaigns at a local level. However little seems to happen afterwards at any other level. I’d have to say that they have become increasingly less useful as it went from my grey balding head being the rare exception, to being the norm.

    But this weekend at Lyn’s request I expended a few hours at the NGO The P3 Foundation talking things to think on about whilst blogging and their multiauthor blog. It is nice to see young people active and engaged.

  24. CV - Real Labour 26

    Thanks for the link Macro. An innovative idea from the Greens – to engage those who have been sitting on the sidelines to become active in the interests of NZ, without having to commit to the membership and identity of a specific political party.

    I can think of a few groups the Greens are targetting here, and some of them are people who might otherwise be considered natural Labour voters.

  25. IrishBill 27

    No we’re the real Labour party.

    No we are.

    No we are.

    No we are.

    This is starting to get absurd.

    • bad12 27.1

      I think ‘it’ got absurd way back down the track, if the February caucus vote confirms David Shearer as Labour Party leader, (a forgone conclusion to some), then the options for all those who cannot stomach that would seem to be either swallow the pride and support Labour in spite of the particular Head(s) that occupy the seat(s) at the top table,

      Or,

      Resign their Labour Party memberships and join another party like the Green Party,

      Note: this is not an official Green Party recruiting message…

    • Bill 27.2

      Nah. It’s not starting to get absurd It’s well and truly off down the rabbit hole and hitting the ‘Drink Me’ bottles by the crate full.

  26. CV - Real Labour 28

    Real Labour Policies

    More than ever I think we need to progress the idea that Irish Bill proposed to develop and test out Real Labour policy. A Labour Party which delivers democracy to its members and delivers strong Left wing policy will be, be definition, the Real Labour Party.

    http://thestandard.org.nz/2013-the-policy-year/

    By the way, have the new plasticky Labour Party membership cards have removed all mention of the values of the Labour Party? Including a reference to the principles of democratic socialism?

    If so, this is a bad change, and certainly not Real Labour.

  27. muzza 29

    this year’s theme – “Labour’s Unique Narrative for the Future.”

    Perhaps they/you it, could start with telling the truth Mike, how would that be for , unique narrative!

    No, can’t/won’t/don’t know how to, argh, thought not!

  28. billbrowne 30

    Cool – another hit and run condescending posting from Mike — and that’s just the title.

    Hint – this is not winning friends or influencing people – hope you’ve kept your day job.

  29. Elizabeth Bourchier 31

    Moira Coatsworth and Tim Barnett are the President and General Secretary selected/endorsed by the membership and the NZ Council.
    Mike Williams and Mike Smith are not. They are the one who were in charge when we lost.
    So Please ENLIGHTEN Moi!
    Why has Shearer/Robertson hired these throw-backs to attack and demotivate the party activists?

    Help, I’m totally confused by the actions of these men.

    • The Fan Club 31.1

      They were also in charge when we won three elections in a row. I don’t think Williams is on the books at the moment, but Smith’s got a lot to offer the party and we’d be mad not to make use of him.

      • Elizabeth Bourchier 31.1.1

        Mike Smith is doing damage to the party by his approach and tone.
        He seem to think he can do a MSM style OpEd and job done.
        Mike Smith does not understand “interaction”. It is not in his DNA. He has a patrician approach and a condescending tone.
        As someone who see the TS as a valuable tool for driving the democratising of the NZ Labour Party, Mike Smith is A GOD-SEND.
        His hiring by Robertson/ Shearer highlights why we need the members to have a say in the Leadership in February.
        Keep up the good work Mike Smith and gang. You are invaluable.

      • locus 31.1.2

        sadly Mike did his reputation a disservice with his ‘Tell the Truth’ post on this site. So hard to build a good rep and so easy to do irrepairable damage with a few words said in haste…

        time to put a few of the old warhorses out to graze, and to bring in a new team with youth, vision and optimism to help reshape the Labour Party, don’t you think?

      • CV - Real Labour 31.1.3

        They were also in charge when we won three elections in a row.

        H1 and H2 were definitely “in charge” over that time. Both are long gone.

  30. Mike throws in a taunt then scurry’s away,that’s ok though because it proves and
    confirms what we already know and that is that our dear leader and his comrades
    have no intention of having any real conversations with the wider online voting base.
    The Greens look more and more attractive

  31. PlanetOrphan 33

    Great post Mike Smith, keep up the great work.

    The art of politics is the art of hearing the peoples’ voice and giving them a box to Whinge from.

    A++ Mike :-)

    (P.S. A burning Shearer doll would keep them happy I’m sure M8!)
    (P.P.S Could do a set, interchangable heads so no one misses out , not for internal use warnings of course)

    • the Al1en 33.1

      “not for internal use warnings”

      Not sure if you mean what I think you mean, or caucus being warned off a challenge.

      “Great post Mike Smith, keep up the great work.”

      I looked for the :sarcasm: icon

      “A++ Mike”

      Then realised it’s as missing as your understanding of the current situation.

      “The art of politics is the art of hearing the peoples’ voice listening and acting on them”

      Just a little edit to help you along.

      “(P.S. A burning Shearer doll would keep them happy I’m sure M8!)”

      But not as happy as a leader who leads and has a chance of winning, I’d bet.

      • PlanetOrphan 33.1.1

        “Then realised it’s as missing as your understanding of the current situation.”
        Cor blymey u r smart M8! What’d I miss exaclty ?

        Sounds like you’d be the perfect person to give me the one liner the “Burning shearer” doll can schpeel as it burns ?

      • PlanetOrphan 33.1.2

        We could re invent democracy , answering all those bloody one liners that got use here …

        Least # of sales = Elected Government MP.

        We could create a “Shrine” doll as well, so …

        Shrine sales – Burning doll sales = total score in the election.

        Everyones happy, the punters get to voice the frustration in the privacy of there own homes, we get a “Market” elected government, thus giving the people their hate vote, which is why they whinge so much in the first place M8!.

        The “Civilised” democracy in action M8!

  32. Foreign Waka 34

    Please look at the body language of the people in the picture. I think that no further comment is needed.

    • Bill 34.1

      You mean folded arms, crossed legs, scratched heads and hands in pockets isn’t a sign of ‘connectedness’? Nah. Surely not!

      • Foreign Waka 34.1.1

        Exactly! ;-) Look at the little corridor between the people too.

      • Foreign Waka 34.1.2

        One side scratches their head and the other is defensive. Lice?

        • the sprout 34.1.2.1

          the lice are Shearer’s pets too, they’re called ‘Poor People’

        • The Fan Club 34.1.2.2

          Yeah referring to young members who’re getting out there and volunteering in their communities as having lice is super fucking classy.

          • Foreign Waka 34.1.2.2.1

            Firstly, the word play is tongue in cheek. So its not a personal statement. Secondly, scratching the head signifies without words a state of confusion. And this is the point made here. How long is Mr Shearer in office and when did he (ever) give some clear leadership statements as to where the party stands? Exactly, back to scratching the head I suppose….

  33. KJT 35

    The ever more desperate spin from Labour caucus central shows they know how badly they have fucked up.

    This whole thing started, because, as a leader Shearer is FUCKING USELESS.

    Nothing to do with who the contenders are. But failing to get a competent subordinate, on side, whatever their ambitions, is yet another sign of poor leadership.

    New Zealand desperately needs an alternative to National, and dog eat dog neo-liberal meanness, in Labour and the Greens.
    Not yet another woolly “centrist” party.

    Don’t you get it? Hundreds of thousands do not vote any more because they have LOST HOPE that any political party is going to do their best for most New Zealanders.

    The fact is people are not going to turn out to vote for Shearer, and a bunch of, past their use by date, wallies, who make even National look competent.

    In fact the whole bunch, on both sides, are the best argument ever for BCIR and real democracy.

    • locus 35.1

      BCIR? I take it that you mean Binding Citizens Initiated Referendum’ and not Barnett Continent Intestinal Reservoir surgery…

  34. BM 36

    Do members consider It it better for the long term health of the Labour party that National wins at the next election, that way Shearer can be rolled and replaced with Cunliffe the members champion.
    Isn’t the real battle here , the fight against neoliberalism, with Shearer led government it’s a continuation of the same style of thinking.

    Out of interest, how many here would actively undermine a Shearer lead labour party so it little chance of winning at the next election?

    • QoT 36.1

      Define “actively undermine”. Because apparently pointing out simple facts like “Shearer cannot answer media questions clearly and decisively” = “undermining The Cause” to some people.

    • RedLogix 36.2

      When Helen Clark reached an accord with Michael Cullen it was a partnership of equals. They went on to achieve a great deal.

      The problem for team Shearer is that they knew every time Cunliffe opened his mouth he’d show up Shearer’s shortcomings. I guess they simply couldn’t tolerate that and this meant an accord was never going to be offered.

      Is Cunliffe going to be around next election? Only he knows if he can put up with the crap being dished out to him in the meantime.

      Do I want to undermine Labour? No. But my money and time is back with the Greens (I’ve actively supported both parties over the years) and I’m not really interested anything Shearer and his Party have to say anymore. They’re boring.

      • Rhinoviper 36.2.1

        When Helen Clark reached an accord with Michael Cullen it was a partnership of equals. They went on to achieve a great deal.

        Yes, that. And it is the failure by ABC to accommodate their opposition that is the essence of their folly. It shows them to be vain, immature, cowardly, petty, insecure… and as Talleyrand once said, “It was worse than a crime, it was a mistake.”

    • Rhinoviper 36.3

      Out of interest, how many here would actively undermine a Shearer lead labour party so it little chance of winning at the next election?

      How many would undermine a Roger Douglas and Richard Prebble dominated Labour Party?

      OK, that’s provocative, but at least the example is real and I do actually ask this out of interest and it is not a challenge or a deconstruction. Instead, I ask where is the line in people’s minds and how close are the current parliamentary elite to it?

      Of course it might be more complex or at least different to that – is the line between the Labour Party and neoliberalism, between Mikes Smith and Williams and Matthew Hooton (though honestly I believe that both Mikes are actually sincere in their intentions at heart, as opposed to Hooton, who is nothing but a puerile money-grubbing parasite thoroughly devoid of principle) or between the front bench’s performance and irrelevance?

      And why the emphasis on “members” in drawing the lines since the “No true Scotsman” argument is circling like a shark? Mightn’t it be on voters?

      • geoff 36.3.1

        So the implicit assumption is that writing criticism of the Labour leadership on TS is considered undermining the Labour Party?

      • CV - Real Labour 36.3.2

        How many would undermine a Roger Douglas and Richard Prebble dominated Labour Party?

        Huge numbers of members walked and never came back. MPs broke away and formed New Labour, which in 1993 captured a full 18% of the vote. The Labour Party of today is but a meek shadow of the force it was in the 70’s and 80’s.

  35. Mike Smith is posting because we’re getting under their skin. The King/Mallard cabal should be worried. They are not going to quieten us down by insisting on their world view.

    I want a vote. I want to believe there are 13 MPs who care about our voice. If there is near unanimous confidence in the Shearer Leadership, then I’m out of Labour. We need a fulsome process, we need a vote to unite.

    Come on MPs – be brave.

    • hush minx 37.1

      +1, and I sure hope there are some mps reading this!

    • Elizabeth Bourchier Real Labour 37.2

      Yes, we gave to get our MPs to simply vote “no confidence”. Then the President asks for MPs to put their hat in the ring.
      Shearer can put his hat in the ring along with whomever e.g. Ardern Robertson etc and then we have a tour of a dozen centres and the members and affiliates and Caucus get to vote.
      There is no need to “challenge” Shearer at the Caucus.
      Yes we can have a productive party wide process .
      Yes we can.
      Yes we can.

    • Bill 37.3

      I’m picking the fact that a post claiming to represent ‘the real’ Labour Party comes after reports that Cunliffe isn’t putting his hand up means there remains a perception of an alternative ‘not real’ Labour Party.

      Which is odd given that if, as claimed, the confidence vote is a shoo-in there can be no-one and nothing posing a threat to the current configuration of the Labour Party. And so, obviously, no need to make absurd, provocative and somewhat Leninesque game plays.

  36. fenderviper 38

    Is that a typo?

    Do you mean “reel” as in wind up?

  37. Bettig 39

    I bookmarked The Standard because I wanted an alternative to the John Armstrongs, Whaleoil, and Matthew Hootons. I wanted news and opinion from the left, argument, discussion, fairness. For some time I’ve been astonished at the vitriol towards Shearer and the Labour Party. The response to this post from Mike Smith is the last straw. He put forward a view. By all means disagree, but this is totally ridiculous.
    I’m rearranging my bookmarks and looking elsewhere for views from the left. Chuck whatever you like at this post, I won’t be watching. Bye bye.

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    “I’m going to make it as hard for you to get help as I can” is Paula Bennett’s message to the people of Kaiti  said MANA candidate Te Hāmua Nikora today in response to the news that National will close...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Winegums make for better polling – Harawira
    I wanted to laugh when I saw the Native Affairs poll the other night (Hone Harawira 38%, Kelvin Davis 37%) because it was almost the same as the one they did back in 2011”, said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau...
    Mana | 16-09
  • The Leadership of MTS Lied – Harawira
    “Normally I’m happy to tell people that I was right but when I received the news about the staff cuts at Maori Television, I had nothing but sympathy for the three Maori media leaders who are going to be made...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Privileges Complaint Laid against Prime Minister – Harawira
    MANA Movement Leader and Te Tai Tokerau MP Hone Harawira has today lodged a Privileges Complaint with the Speaker regarding the Prime Ministers denials in parliament that he knew anything about Kim Dotcom before 2012. “Information made public today appears...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Sharples’ new appointments are out of order
    The new appointments to the Waitangi Tribunal announced by Dr Pita Sharples this morning are completely out of order given the election is just five days away, says Labour's State Services spokesperson, Maryan Street. “This Government continues to show disdain...
    Labour | 15-09
  • MANA Movement Housing Policy
    “When families are living in cars, garages, cockroach-infested caravans and three families to a house then we have a housing crisis”, said MANA leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Hone Harawira. “When you have a housing crisis for low-income...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Bigger than the Foreshore and Seabed – Sykes
    “Over the past week I have received some disturbing information that has led myself and a number of Maori lawyers to conclude that this National - Maori Party - ACT and United Future Government are going to put an end to both...
    Mana | 14-09
  • MANA wants Te Reo Māori petition fulfilled
    Hone Harawira, MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Annette Sykes, MANA candidate for Waiariki Te Hāmua Nikora, MANA candidate for Ikaroa Rāwhiti  “More than four decades have passed and the petition calling for Te Reo Māori in schools...
    Mana | 14-09
  • I feel sorry for Labour Party members and supporters
    I feel really sorry for the members and supporters of the Labour Party as they watch their caucus tear itself to shreds. And no matter what the outcome of the coming leadership race Labour members and supporters will be the...
    The Daily Blog | 01-10
  • Ummmm, why is Auckland Transport spying on Aucklanders?
    Ummm. What? Sophisticated surveillance coming to Auckland Surveillance technology that uses high definition cameras and software that can put names to faces and owners to cars is coming to Auckland. The surveillance has the capability to also scan social media...
    The Daily Blog | 01-10
  • It. Is. About. The. Economy. Stupid.
    Liam Dann does a good job of explaining the positive and negative issues looming for the NZ economy and as dairy prices plunge again overnight alongside a large Wall st sell off  and China Bank rumours begin, his case for the negative...
    The Daily Blog | 01-10
  • Don’t think of it as reinvading Iraq, think of it as redecorating Iraq
    I think some NZers view Iraq like an episode of The Block. Yes Iraq is the worst country on the street, but with a bit of elbow grease by our SAS and some great deals down at Bunnings, hey presto we...
    The Daily Blog | 01-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Joe Trinder – Mana Maori alliance
    Most Maori you speak to on the street can’t understand why Mana movement and  Maori Party don’t combine it confuses them why Maori are divided cross benches in Parliament instead of a unified political power that represents 15% of the...
    The Daily Blog | 01-10
  • Party members and affiliates – the real losers in Labour’s leadership f...
    Hey, wanna do a back room deal that cuts the members and affiliates out? Cunliffe must be reeling. He has lost failed Ilam candidate James Dann. It must cut as deep as the loss of Steve Gibson. Apart from providing Claire...
    The Daily Blog | 30-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, the election res...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, the election result...
    The Daily Blog | 30-09
  • The rich get richer
    Nobel prize winner Paul Krugman highlights the growing inequality in this article in the New York Times. The left wing slogan that the “the rich get richer” is a fact of almost perverse power. The most recent period of expansion in the...
    The Daily Blog | 30-09
  • A brief word on reinvading Iraq
    So after telling the country before the election that NZ would not send forces to Iraq, lo and behold now he’s won the election with a full spectrum dominance political majority, Key is suddenly now looking to join the re-invasion of...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • A brief word on the importance of ACT, Maori Party and United Future to Nat...
    I’m a far right wing clown who attacks tax money going on anything collective, gimmie some cash and privilege.  One of the great successes of National has been to implement hard right policy but have it sold as moderate. For some NZers,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • Labour’s Angst
    Was Labour’s predictably low vote David Cunliffe’s fault? Was it policy? Was it something else that has aroused perceptions of electoral carnage? My analysis of the numbers suggests that, as uncertain voters made up their minds, there was a late...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • Information wars: Gaza as “the last taboo”, the threat of mass surveill...
    “When the truth is replaced with silence” wrote the soviet dissident Yevgeni Yevtushenko, “the silence is a lie.” There has been a silence these past months full of noise, static and sound bites of those in power justifying their violence,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • When the media say they covered Dirty Politics – did they?
    I was watching The Nation in the weekend, and watched the defenders of NZ media up against Minto telling him he was wrong in his claims of media bias and that the media covered Dirty Politics. I laughed. When the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG – P Campbell – To the Left with love
    A week after the general election results I feel wrung out emotionally, having been through the disappointment, depression and anger of seeing  another right wing government elected overwhelmingly by winning support from the parts of NZ that will never benefit...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – I will be the new Labour Leader!
    One week after the election, while I was still waiting to be consulted about contributing to the review on what went wrong, what do you know? There is a leadership challenge. So instead of opting for a united, thoughtful and...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – A Prescient Post
    A very prescient pre-election post by Martyn Bradbury tells us why the Labour Party are at war now. “The NZ First-Labour Party attack strategy against Internet MANA better work” Despite Martyn Bradbury warning them this Right Wing strategy “Better Work”...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – W(h)ither Labour (!/?)
    There’s an old saying that success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan. Not so in the Labour Party, wherein soul-crushing defeat on a scale unseen since 1925 definitely has many fathers (and more than a few mothers and...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • At the end of the day…
    At the end of the day…...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • Cynicism towards Key’s sudden desire to help children in poverty
    Cynicism towards Key’s sudden desire to help children in poverty...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • Internet MANA the election and the media
    I’ve been very critical of media reporting of Internet MANA during the election campaign and not surprised at the predictable response from representatives of the corporate media establishment. I wasn’t going to carry this further but was asked at the...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Rachel Jones – A superficial discourse analysis of a superfic...
    On Sunday there was a story about Paddy Gower and his detached retina in the Herald on Sunday. Really? I hear you ask. Really? Yes, really. Pam Corkery will have sprayed toast crumbs over her dressing gown. The reporter has become...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • Terrorising Australia’s Muslim population
    We should be suspicious when 800 police conduct “terror” raids across Australia, but only one person is charged with a relevant terrorism offence (of which we know few details). We should be suspicious of the lurid tales of terrorists planning...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • Another Labour leader has resigned and as per usual, the media lost its min...
    Another Labour leader has resigned and as per usual, the media lost its mind. I know the Labour party has its problems and I’m not even going to try to prescribe what should be done about it. But what I...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – Loyalty, Leadership and the Labour Party
    My first after the election and I can only say I’m feeling pretty sad.  It was a terrible result, and feels even more so knowing the number of volunteers hours, hard work & sacrifice made by so many people who...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • A Study in Party Stability
    . In terms of long-term stability, one party above stands above all others, with the exception of personality-driven groups such as NZ First and United Future. That party is the Greens. If the Labour Party wants to look elsewhere for...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • Cunliffe vs Robertson – Round 2
    Much to the disappointment of the NZ Herald and other right wing pundits who have decided they would like to appoint the next Labour leader, Cunliffe has surprised by deciding to damn the Caucus and appeal directly to the members...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • The tasks before the left and labour movement
    Anyone on the left would have been disappointed at the result of the election. There was an opportunity to win, but that got lost through a combination of factors. There were tactical decisions made by Labour, the Greens and Internet-Mana...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • From Fiji’s dictatorship to ‘democracy’ – the AUT student team on t...
    Mads Anneberg’s profile on Ricardo Morris and Repúblika. David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific. THREE STUDENTS from AUT University covered Fiji’s historic “from dictatorship to democracy” general election this month. While the election arguably legitimised Voreqe Bainimarama’s so-called 2006...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • David Cunliffe Resigns As Labour Leader – Forces Robertson Out of the Bel...
    David Cunliffe has made a smart move, resigning as the leader of the Labour Party so as to force a leadership primary campaign. The move draws rival Grant Robertson out of the beltway to parts of the country where he...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • Deep thought vs Deep prejudice
    . . This letter to the editor appeared in The Listener, on 27 September, and caught my attention; . . Mr Dawson wrote in response to one of those typically unthinking comments which  condemned the poor for their “unbridled, reckless...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • The NZ National voters elected
    The NZ National voters elected...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – The post election postmortem is giving me post p...
    I feel the need to contribute to the discourse. This is a new experience for me. Not having an opinion, but expressing it on a popular forum in a public sphere. That’s why I have waited till now and put...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • A dictionary of education terms and definitions, brought to you by the let...
    Free to all TDB readers, please enjoy your very own cut-out-and-keep handy primer of terms that I predict you will need to know over the next three years… Achievement Gap (noun) Synonym for wealth gap. ACT (abstract noun) Intangible. Reported to exist in...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • A Mines Rescue brigadesman’s perspective on the Pike River Mine
    My husband and I lived in Greymouth in 2010, we were a coal mining family.  The day Pike River Mine blew up and the days following changed us profoundly, as it did for so many.  This is a Mines Rescue...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • The Left Triumphant! A Counterfactual History of the Last Twelve Months.
    DID IT REALLY HAVE TO END LIKE THIS? Reading through the commentary threads of the left-wing blogs it is impossible to not feel the anger; the sense of betrayal; the impression of having had something vital ripped from their grasp;...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • GUEST BLOG – Myles Thomas: The media won it!
    Make no mistake, John Key is a clever communicator – reasonable, authoritative and relaxed – but without the media he wouldn’t be PM. Depending on your viewpoint, New Zealand’s news media are either a bunch of Grey Lynn lefties or...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Not Learning Lessons Past: the West’s Response to IS
    In an earlier posting Ukraine, United Kingdom, Ireland, Scotland, I noted that the first lesson of conflict learned by Robert McNamara was “understand your adversary”. If we have honourable objectives, our first and most important weapon is empathy. In the Vietnam War,...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Dr Jarrod Gilbert – Proof of David Farrar’s deception: my ...
    In the lead up to the election the Minister of Corrections Anne Tolley launched a gang policy. In order to justify the government’s approach she used gang figures that overstated the gang problem. Not by a little bit, but a...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • SPECIAL FEATURE: Stuart Nash – Red To The Rescue?
    SPECIAL FEATURE by Selwyn Manning. IF THE ELECTION RESULT which was dished out to Labour was not enough to incite an immediate leadership primary, then the caucus’ refusal to recognise David Cunliffe as the leader should cement it. Now is...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Has the one party state crackdown begun already? Left wing NZ activist grou...
    Well known left wing activist social media group, ‘John Key Has Left Down NZ’ has been shut down on Facebook. At 11.40pm last night, Facebook, without any warning shut the group down siting a breach of terms of service as...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Why Cunliffe should probably just let Nash & Robertson win
    We have to face some very unpalatable home truths. If you are a left wing political person, best you put your vote now to the Green Party, although you’ll have to do that all the while the Greens frantically tell you...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • The graceless win of Kelvin Davis
    The graceless win of Cameron Slater’s mate in the North, Kelvin Davis is difficult to swallow. Here Cameron Slater’s mate in the North is shitting on Hone Harawira by calling Hone all steam, no hangi as Kelvin rubs his ganged up win into...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So Labour shifted too far to the left?
    So Labour shifted too far to the left?   Here’s the ill-judged view of Josie Pagani in the Pundit “Labour must change”: “At the last election I made myself a heretic when I wrote a column mentioning how unpopular the...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Uncomplicated Loyalties: Why Cunliffe and the Labour Left Cannot Win
    THE STORY of David Cunliffe’s leadership of the Labour Party has been one of missed opportunities and unforced errors. That he was the only choice available to those who wanted to rid the Labour Party of its neoliberal cuckoos is...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So we can expect this now?
    So we can expect this now?...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Can Labour be saved? Why Whaleoil & National won and why we need a new ...
    As the shock of my optimism that NZers would recoil from the real John Key as exposed by Dirty Politics and mass surveillance duplicities wears off, I am surprised to find that the right in NZ are not content with...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Three more years (up shit creek and paddling hard)
    “If the future is not green, there is no future. If the future is not you, there is no future”. Emma Thompson’s stirring words to the climate marchers in London last Sunday are worth considering in the aftermath of the...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • One Party State
    In years to come this election will be seen as a historic turning point towards one party rule. I don`t mean this literally, absolute single party dictatorship is not in prospect. In the New Zealand context though, one party has...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • No More. The Left Falls.
    . We cannot be beaten down Because we are down already. We can only rise up and if you should beat us down, We will rise again. And again. And again… And when you tire of beating us down, We...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Hang tight everyone – Marama Davidson campaign reflection
    To the many people who had expressed their overwhelming support for me to enter Parliament this election – thank you. That the Greens held steady in a big loss for progressive politics is an achievement. We are hopeful that after...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • How You Can Help the Homeless
    At any one time, there are an estimated 357 homeless people in Central Auckland alone, many enduring hardships beyond the rain, wind and cold of sleeping rough. October 10 is World Homeless Day when the public are invited to learn...
    Scoop politics | 02-10
  • Over 20% of Gold Production Now Pledged to Kiwifruit Claim
    Kiwifruit growers representing over 20% of New Zealand gold kiwifruit production have already pledged to join The Kiwifruit Claim, the chairman of the claim’s grower committee, John Cameron, said today....
    Scoop politics | 02-10
  • ‘Creepy’ Decision on Up-Skirt Filming Slammed
    Family First NZ says that a discharge without conviction given to a man who filmed up a woman's dress in a Wellington department store is a ‘creepy’ decision that should concern all people who value their privacy. “This decision by...
    Scoop politics | 02-10
  • Speaker leads delegation to CPA Conference
    Strengthening New Zealand’s ties with parliaments from across the world will be the focus of the upcoming delegation to the 60th Commonwealth Parliamentary Association (CPA) Conference in Yaoundé, Cameroon from 4-10 October and the 131st Inter-Parliamentary...
    Scoop politics | 02-10
  • Response to Russell Brown and Tertiary Education Union
    The allegation that I have worked with others to discredit public health efforts is wrong. My public comments in relation to public health researchers have been where academics have mislead the public about official support or endorsement, and where...
    Scoop politics | 02-10
  • 17 jobs lost as Bridon/Cookes reaches the end of its rope
    Seventeen workers at the iconic Bridon/Cookes wire rope company in Auckland are to be made redundant as the company ceases production in New Zealand. The company has blamed the high New Zealand dollar for making it uncompetitive to keep the...
    Scoop politics | 02-10
  • Slip in University Rankings – Funding Not the Problem
    Responding to the slippage of New Zealand universities' rankings , Jordan Williams, Executive Director of the Taxpayers’ Union says:...
    Scoop politics | 02-10
  • Time to rethink police chases, says safety campaigner
    Police chases are dangerous and generally unnecessary, says the American Federal Bureau of Investigation....
    Scoop politics | 02-10
  • Robertson now expected to be Labour leader by Xmas
    Grant Robertson is now overwhelmingly picked to become the next leader of the Labour Party by the end of the year, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict. Another potential Labour...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Documenting historic Māori land law cases for the first time
    A new book from Victoria University of Wellington’s Faculty of Law will continue to put the spotlight on Māori Land Law judgments which have never before been published....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • ‘Oily’ people greet Petroleum Summit diners
    Greenpeace activists smeared in fake oil have greeted guests arriving at the part-Statoil sponsored Petroleum Summit dinner this evening....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Key Decisions Made About Labour’s Leadership Election
    Labour’s New Zealand Council has made the key decisions about the timetable and process around the election of Labour’s Party Leader. The result will be announced on Tuesday 18th November, following a comprehensive and extensive process unique...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Suspected $6 Million Dollar Wananga Fraud Alarming
    The Taxpayers’ Union is calling on on the Te Whare Wananga o Awanuiarangi to front up over claims the Wananga has pocketed government overpayments amounting to $6 million of taxpayers' money. Jordan Williams, Executive Director of the Taxpayers’ Union...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Submissions sought on herbicide for weed control in maize
    The Environmental Protection Authority is calling for submissions on a herbicide to improve broadleaf weed control in maize. The substance CADET contains 100g fluthiacet-methyl in the form of an emulsifiable concentrate and would contain a new active ingredient...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Jesse Mulligan Lives Below Poverty Line
    Jesse Mulligan Lives Below Poverty Line TV personality Jesse Mulligan will live on the equivalent of the extreme poverty line this October in order to raise awareness of sex trafficking. Mulligan will survive on $2.25 for his food from October...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Narratives from the 2014 Election: What do we learn?
    Narratives from the 2014 Election: What do we learn? - Sue Bradford, Russell Brown & Kirk Serpes discuss....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Voices from Oceania to speak out on climate change
    Voices from Oceania to speak out on climate change at launch of Pacific environment report...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Changes to Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre messages
    The Ministry of Civil Defence & Emergency Management advises that while changes to Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre messages come into effect from today (Wednesday 1 October), the Ministry has been, and remains, the authoritative voice for tsunami...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Police remove banner at Statoil Offices in Wellington
    Oil Free Wellington hung a banner at 9:30 this morning at the Statoil office headquarters in Wellington as the Petroleum Summit opened in Auckland. The banner, which read 'Statoil out of Northland: Stop Deep Sea Oil', has now been removed...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Mixed massages raise concerns
    Mixed massages raise concerns for Te Taumata Kaumatua Ngapuhi nui tonu, and Te Wakaminenga O nga Hapu Ngapuhi....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Union Slams Port Boss’s Pay Rise
    The Rail and Maritime Transport Union (RMTU) says Lyttelton Port CEO Peter Davie’s 18% wage rise, taking his pay packet to $1.24m, is unjustified and inflammatory. ‘Lyttelton port has an appalling health and safety record, with three deaths on...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Prisons expert Ron Nikkel to speak in Auckland October 15
    Prison Fellowship NZ and JustSpeak have the privilege of hosting the former president of Prison Fellowship International, Ron Nikkel....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Hundreds of educators protest IES in Rotorua
    Four hundred educators from around the country took their opposition to the Government's controversial Investing in Educational Success policy to the public today....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Crime drops by 3.2 % in the 2013 / 2014 financial year
    Criminal offences dropped by 3.2 % in the last financial year according to figures released today through Statistics New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Narratives from the 2014 Election: what do we learn?
    I would like to invite you to a Fabians Reflection on "Dirty Politics, Dotcom and Labour’s worst result" with Colin James, Keith Ng, Stephanie Rodgers and Richard Harman. They will provide a debrief of analysis and lessons from the 2014...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Oil Free Wellington drops banner from Statoil headquarters
    Today members of Oil Free Wellington have targeted the offices of Statoil, by attaching a banner reading 'Statoil out of Northland: Stop Deep Sea Oil' to the entrance of Vodafone on the Quay Midland Park, where Statoil's New Zealand office...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Media Statement from Karen Price
    “After a period of intense media attention and scrutiny of our family, I set up and used an anonymous Twitter account over the weekend and made a number of comments that I deeply regret....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Greenpeace disrupts Simon Bridges’ speech to oil industry
    Greenpeace activists have disrupted the opening speech by Energy and Resources Minister Simon Bridges at the Petroleum Summit in Auckland this morning....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • New Zealand Red Cross Responds to Drought in Tonga
    New Zealand Red Cross has sent an aid worker and two desalination units, to turn seawater into safe drinking water in the drought-hit Ha’apai islands of Tonga....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Can you ever tell if an email is real or forged?
    Computer industry veteran Brian Eardley-Wilmot warns that we should never take claims about stolen emails at face value....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • NZ MPs to attend the ASPG Annual Conference in Sydney
    New Zealand MPs to attend the Australasian Study of Parliament Group Annual Conference in Sydney...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Independent Maori seats still needed in Parliament
    “He’s got to be joking!” is the reaction of the president of the Maori Party, Rangimarie Naida Glavish to a call by a former Labour Minister of Maori Affairs, Dover Samuels, for debate by Maori on whether the Maori electorates...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    Rallies supporting the rights for universal suffrage will take place all over New Zealand today and tomorrow...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand
    Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand The Graf Boys New Zealand has some of the best trout fishing in the world! Every year thousands of international visitors wade pristine rivers in search of the freshwater game fish....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New Zealand’s 2014 Hottest Vegetarians Crowned
    With winter gone things are heating up, and things just got even hotter with the crowning of New Zealand’s hottest vegetarians, says animal advocacy group SAFE. Marking World Vegetarian Day, 1st October, director James Napier Robertson and actor...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A day to remember our duty to look after our senior citizens
    Human Rights Commissioner Dr Jackie Blue says International Day of the Older Person (1 October) is a United Nations day to celebrate our senior citizens, but also acknowledge the need to protect our kaumatua, or older people from abuse and...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Clear data needed on impact of benefit sanctions on children
    A lack of data on benefit sanctions means there is no way of knowing whether welfare reform is helping or harming children, says Child Poverty Action Group....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The socialist alternative to austerity and war
    Public meeting: After the New Zealand election—the socialist alternative to austerity and war By Tom Peters 29 September 2014...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New recruits to boost border protection
    Twenty six new recruits began an intensive nine-week training course in Auckland today that will see them graduate as Customs officers in time for the busy summer season....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Dwindling Mallard population shows up ‘pest’ myth
    The pro hunting organisation Fish & Game is researching the causes of the decline of the mallard duck population, upset at the prospect of fewer ducks to kill....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    New Zealanders in Auckland will gather on Wednesday to support the rights for universal suffrage in Hong Kong....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Campbell Live Exclusive Interview with David Cunliffe
    David Cunliffe resigned as leader of the Labour party on Saturday; but he still wants the top job....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Action needed on cycling safety
    “Clearly we aren't doing enough to protect the 1.5 million New Zealanders who ride bikes,” said Mr Morgan....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • World Rivers Day Passes Without A Whimper
    Sunday 28 September was World Rivers Day to celebrate clean, flowing rivers and caring about them. But a recreation-conservation advocacy the Council of Outdoor Recreation Associations of NZ (CORANZ) says the day seems to have slipped by without...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The Kiwifruit Claim: Q&A
    1. Who is running The Kiwifruit Claim? The Kiwifruit Claim was founded by kiwifruit growers representing well in excess of 10% of the industry. 2. Why are you running this claim? The introduction of Psa into New Zealand had devastating...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Fed Farmers Need to Be Weaned
    The Taxpayers’ Union is calling on Federated Farmers to make a firm commitment to reject any future Government funding, after it was revealed that the lobby group had received over $200,000 of payments in recent years....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Children paying the price for charter school stitch up
    New Zealand children will be paying a high price for a one-seat deal between ACT and National, with an expansion of the beleaguered charter school system says education union NZEI Te Riu Roa....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Hikoi From North Reaches Oil Conference Tomorrow
    Today: The Hikoi opposing Statoil plans for seismic testing and deep sea oil drilling has marched through Dargaville and later be welcomed to Piringatahi Marae, West Harbour,Tamaki Makaurau/Auckland....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Communities Still Count
    The efforts of many organisations to influence the electorate and the political parties they voted for in the lead up to the 2014 Election is over. The voting public has spoken and provided a strong endorsement to the centre-right National...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Eleven social enterprises get ready to take off
    Eleven teams from across the country will take part in the Launchpad, Ākina’s programme to get social enterprise ideas off the ground....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
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