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Another day, another bullshit Family First/Curia poll

Written By: - Date published: 6:00 pm, March 23rd, 2013 - 187 comments
Categories: child welfare, dpf, families, gay rights, making shit up - Tags:

… which I have no doubt will be blithely reported by our mainstream media as though it’s meaningful.

The actual question asked:

“Should families where there is both a mum and a dad have priority for the adoption of babies and children?”

The headline which purports to summarise the results:

Mum And Dad Matter For Adopted Kids – Poll

The problems:

The question does not specify priority over whom

Now, despite the frequent “echo chamber” bingos of rightwing trolldom, I don’t actually think that everyone does – or should – think exactly the same as me.  I’m well aware that there are a lot of Ordinary New Zealanders out there who do not analyse every political statement they hear, who do not automatically ask “what about same-sex parents?” when someone talks about families.

And that’s why I feel comfortable suggesting that when a lot of Ordinary New Zealanders hear the question “should families with a mum and dad get priority?” they do not think “yes, hetero parenting setups are better than same-sex parenting setups”.  They probably think “kids are better off with two parents than one.”

(This is still a little problematic to me in social-construct-y terms, but hey, families with two parents are almost certainly in better positions to raise children because our society shits on single parents from orbit, so I’ll let that one go.)

The point is: unless you give people full information – by asking, say, “should a heterosexual couple be given priority over a homosexual couple?” – then you simply cannot make the assumption that that’s what people’s answers mean.  Especially when other polls indicate that New Zealanders are not, in fact, majority opposed to same-sex adoption.

Unless you’re Family First and you lie a lot.

The press release describes the poll as independent.

And I describe myself as the Queen of Sheba.

Marriage equality isn’t about gay men stealing babies.

The changes to our marriage legislation, which will give same-sex couples the same rights to adopt children as hetero couples, has a lot less to do with “stranger” adoption and a lot more to do with stories like this one.

Stranger adoption is pretty rare in New Zealand, for a start.

And under the current law, if I had my Own Biological Children and then had a civil union with a woman, who loved and cared for my kids for a decade, she would have no right to adopt my kids.  Even though they were pretty much her kids, and even though if I’d married a dude instead it wouldn’t be a problem.

Our current law doesn’t just discriminate against committed loving same-sex couples adopting a “stranger” baby, creating a slightly ridiculous situation where an individual can adopt, then raise a child in a same-sex parenting household, with the other parent not being legally treated as a parent.  

It also discriminates against same-sex couples who are, right now, raising kids together – often with one partner the biological partner and the other left to piss in the wind, legally speaking.

As the CYF website notes, the decision for who to adopt a child to (for individuals or hetero couples) comes down to the birth parent – and advises them “You can take your time to look carefully for a family that feels like the best fit for your child”.  No one is forcing people to give their children to same-sex couples.  They’re just not even being presented with the option.

It’s a bit fucking silly, when you think about it like that.

Polyamory, flatmates, and widows/widowers.

Not every family is based on a simple two-parents-who-fuck model.  Once again, Family First, a group which takes upon itself the mantle of Protector Of All New Zealand Families, erases the existence of any number of family setups where children are, right now, being raised happy and healthy and well-rounded.

Family First is so dedicated to crapping on same-sex couples that they will even shit on people who are having to raise kids alone when their monogamous hetero partner has died:

A child has a right to a mum and a dad. Death, divorce and disaster may not always deliver that, but we should not set out in public policy to deny a child that basic right

Aren’t you glad, solo parents, that Family First is able to acknowledge that death has “delivered” a sub-optimal family situation for your child?  That even when they do acknowledge that sometimes shit happens, they still want to emphasise that your child is disadvantaged, their rights are being breached, and you are incapable of raising them properly on your own.

And to the communities and extended families and friends and support networks who are pitching in to help those solo parents?  Fuck you.  You didn’t provide the jizz or the incubation facilities so you ain’t shit.

That’s Family First for you: obsessed with heterosexual sex, and willing to perform any linguistic gymnastics necessary to convince you that they’re just doing it for the kids.

187 comments on “Another day, another bullshit Family First/Curia poll”

  1. Dr Terry 1

    “Family First” (ha ha) is not gracious enough to admit that it has badly lost its hateful battle. Poor losers indeed. It is just great, at long last, to see this lot as losers, and to congratulate ouselves (the enlightened) as winners! There is nothing over which we need defend ourselves. We can happily take the offensive now. The Nation has spoken (with the bill’s third reading virtually a formality). Let’s forget the horrors of self-proclaimed “family first” and substitute for it “Love first”.

  2. If you’ll forgive the link-whoring, I’ve posted on the issue of adoption in a post-same sex marriage world here: http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/of-marriage-same-sex-couples-and-adoption

    Pretty much, yes – Family First’s position is fucked.

    [lprent: It isn't link-whoring in my view if :-

    1. It is relevant to the context of the post and/or the conversation..
    2. There is enough information about why readers should click on the link..
    3. And we welcome and encourage off-topic links in Open Mike that follow (2) anyway..

    ]

    • Harriet 2.1

      Adopted children, and children who are the product of a community project[designed by 3 people for a gay Marriage'] will suffer the loss of one or both parents all through their entire childhood. Designed ‘suffering’ is not parenting -but more importantly- it is not a childhood!

      Children who have ‘lost’ a parent or two, should be placed into the very next best thing – a family relationship that is a reflection of what is best practice. Best practice is what is seen by a child as an example of how life should be: How the responsabilities of reproduction are fulfilled by best practise. Seen daily, best practise responsabilities become 2nd nature.Every child wants a happy childhood, and in turn, would want to create that enviroment when reproduction occures. It’s called love. Confusion about what is best practise leads to insecurity, which leads onto their own children being insecure. That is not best practise parenting.

      Child ‘modelling’ doesn’t call for two gay blokes or two lesbians as parents – and wait for it – neither does it call for two straight blokes or two straight females as parents either. If ‘straights’ can see that they are a 4th or 5th order parenting model to a ‘mum and dad arrangement ‘ then why can’t gays? Do gays really look at childhood differently than straights do? Hardly, if they care that is!

      It may seem funny in a sit-com for two gay blokes to be out cloths shopping for a 12yld girl, but where her menstral privacy, puberty, sexuality, self assuredness, and other needs that are -required-for her to develop through life as a ‘woman’ and as a ‘complete person’, are better seen, learned, developed, and taught, in a hetrosexual relationship. Boys even more so, as at best, they support the ‘mother’ of their children, an important role in society that teaches their sons and daughters want support is required as a parent.

      Under no circumstances should a child or adolescent see daily – life in an abstract form. :cool:

      • Harriet,

        That is some awesome theory built on the back of some cast-iron common sense thinking that the world must be this way because it just must be. Now – is there any evidence that it is true?

        Furthermore, let’s say you believe everything you say to be true. Two questions:

        (1) What are you going to do about it? Seriously … what follows from your claims? In particular, are you going to ban same sex couples from having children? How?

        (2) What has anything you have written got to do with same sex adoption? Even if it is less-than-optimal for a child to be raised by a same sex couple (something I reject, but anyway), why does that mean that the law shouldn’t enable both of the couple to have the legal rights (and responsibilities) of “parents”?

        • Harriet 2.1.1.1

          Best practise childhood modelling is firstly looked at through the eyes of children.

          Secondly, from there, it is then looked at from the position of adulthood.

          Thirdly, prospective adoptive parents are then also looked at from the position of adulthood.

          Like I said:

          “….Adopted children, and children who are the product of a community project[designed by 3 people for a gay Marriage'] will suffer the loss of one or both parents all through their entire childhood. Designed ‘suffering’ is not parenting -but more importantly- it is not a childhood!…”

          “….Under no circumstances should a child or adolescent see daily – life in an abstract form….”

          Gay ‘parenting’ is far removed from an example of ‘natural life arrangements’.
          What is an adoptive child in a gay arrangement to be told when asking:

          “But billy has a mum and a dad and he’s adopted too?” – What? …’society is homophobic’?

          • AsleepWhileWalking 2.1.1.1.1

            Best practise childhood modelling is firstly looked at through the eyes of children.
            Spoken like a true adult

          • Frank Macskasy 2.1.1.1.2

            “Best practise childhood modelling” – good lord, Harriet, you make it sound so… robotic. The Borg would be proud to assimilate you (or vice versa).

            Can’t you just say, family?

            And the best things that families can offer for children are love, attention, set boundaries, security, nutritious food; good healthcare; warm, dry homes; clean clothing; a positive learning environment, respect, and many other things along those lines.

            Somehow, I can’t see the genetic make-up (XX or XY) being really all that impoprtant for kids. It adults like you and Family First (a mis-nomer if I ever head one) that are fixated on whether parents have willies or vages.

            Amazing isn’t it… a century ago, inter-racial marriages were frowned upon by folk like you. Probably someone said that cross-racial breeding was not “Best practise childhood modelling”.

            But we learnt that was crap; moved on; and hey, civilisation has not (yet) collapsed into an apocalyptic heap of rubble. Talking apes do not rule the planet.

            Just like it didn’t collapse after the 1986 Homosexual Law Reform Act.

            And it won’t fall apart because gay blokes and lesbian blokettes can walk down the aisle; get married; raise kids; pay a mortgage; watch crap on TV; squabble over whose turn it is to walk the goat; whatever.

            That’s life, Harriet, and it ain’t much different to any other family.

            Get over yourself and your prejudices. Because I’ll tell you something for free; marriage equality will pass. Adoption equality will pass. And in 25 years, people will look back on 2013 and wonder what the f**k the fuss was all about.

            And civilisation will still be here. (Though sea levels might have risen a wee bit – but you can’t blame that on gays and lesbians getting married. No, really, you can’t.)

            • Anne 2.1.1.1.2.1

              And civilisation will still be here. (Though sea levels might have risen a wee bit – but you can’t blame that on gays and lesbians getting married. No, really, you can’t.)

              Wanna bet?

      • Draco T Bastard 2.1.2

        If the children are raised in an open and caring society then all that BS you just spouted has no meaning whatsoever. The child will be cared for, will be secure and will see normal adult relations including gay, straight, bi, trans (yes, these are all normal). Their self-esteem and self-assurance will be assured as they will have many role models to observe rather than just two.

        The fractioning of society into families by the church has caused massive amounts of damage. The children aren’t seeing normal human relations due to being held behind walls in the nuclear family.

        Under no circumstances should a child or adolescent see daily – life in an abstract form.

        And yet that is what your prescription gives them.

        To be clear, it’s idiots like you and Family First that are actually causing the damage that you say will result if we don’t do as you say and it’s being caused because people are doing what you say.

        • Colonial Weka 2.1.2.1

          Well said.

        • Harriet 2.1.2.2

          “….If the children are raised in an open and caring society then all that BS you just spouted has no meaning whatsoever. The child will be cared for, will be secure and will see normal adult relations including gay, straight, bi, trans (yes, these are all normal). Their self-esteem and self-assurance will be assured as they will have many role models to observe rather than just two….”

          What rubbish.

          Human life is the decision of a male and a female – not society in general. The state supports the role of parents as guardians of those children that they create. In an ‘open and caring society’ humans are allowed to place ‘values’ on objects AND relationships, people too. We value people differently all the time – pay rates and qualifications are a simple recognition of that ! Sexuality is no differant. If you value everything the same – you then infact value nothing!

          No one places much value on gay, bi, trans relationships as they are more problematic than hetrosexual relationships in that they don’t follow the ‘natural order of things’.
          Suicide and drug addiction support that view. San Fransisco is the most ‘gay friendly’ place on earth, yet the suicide rates in San Francisco are the very same as other comparable cities: NY London Toronto Paris Sydney Melbourne Auckland Wellington.
          Parents are allowed to care for the welfare of their children, infact, they are expected by the State to do so. Therefor, telling children that ‘standing at the top of the cliff is dangerous’ is responsable parenting – not homophobic behaviour!

          And besides, no one has a problem with ‘being hetrosexual’ and goes out and kills themselves, they may however, have a problem because they ‘think they MAY BE gay or whatever’.

          Lots of teenage mums go to State funded parenting classes – do you seriously think that they are the most responsable parents in NZ ? Neither however are all mums and dads that are born into healthy hetro relationships, but they get by fairly well having lived that experiance naturally- daily!

          • Colonial Viper 2.1.2.2.1

            The world has moved on from your Victorian Age.

            You have prepared well to be the ideological minority.

            No one places much value on gay, bi, trans relationships as they are more problematic than hetrosexual relationships in that they don’t follow the ‘natural order of things’.

            The substantial and bipartisan view of the NZ House of Representatives seems to disagree with you.

          • millsy 2.1.2.2.2

            And what is your answer, string up gays with piano wire?

            And what about the people who are miserable in 2 parent families, hard luck.

            • Colonial Viper 2.1.2.2.2.1

              Make them conform to the Disney fairytale

              • millsy

                ..at gun point, and throw them in camps if they dont.

                Louisa Wall is right. Those who oppose SSM want homosexuality recriminalised and for gays to be strung up with piano wire. The jackbooted thugs of Christian conservatisim want to crush happiness and enjoyment yet again.

          • Draco T Bastard 2.1.2.2.3

            Human life is the decision of a male and a female – not society in general.

            Wrong again – it is the result of our collective decisions.

            If you value everything the same – you then infact value nothing!

            Bollocks. It’s valuing difference rather than forcing everyone to be the same.

            No one places much value on gay, bi, trans relationships as they are more problematic than hetrosexual relationships in that they don’t follow the ‘natural order of things’.

            Wrong, gay, bi, trans relationships have been shown to be more stable and loving than hetero. And, as I said, they’re just as natural as hetero relationships.

            Suicide and drug addiction support that view. San Fransisco is the most ‘gay friendly’ place on earth, yet the suicide rates in San Francisco are the very same as other comparable cities: NY London Toronto Paris Sydney Melbourne Auckland Wellington.

            That is a completely meaningless sentence. It says nothing at all although it tries to imply quite a bit.

            Parents are allowed to care for the welfare of their children, infact, they are expected by the State to do so. Therefor, telling children that ‘standing at the top of the cliff is dangerous’ is responsable parenting – not homophobic behaviour!

            The beginning of the sentence has absolutely nothing to do with the end of the sentence.

            And besides, no one has a problem with ‘being hetrosexual’ and goes out and kills themselves, they may however, have a problem because they ‘think they MAY BE gay or whatever’.

            If people are killing themselves because they’re gay it’s probably due to arseholes abusing them rather than giving them the love and nurturing that they need. Note, hetero children do the same thing when they’re abused.

            Lots of teenage mums go to State funded parenting classes – do you seriously think that they are the most responsable parents in NZ ? Neither however are all mums and dads that are born into healthy hetro relationships, but they get by fairly well having lived that experiance naturally- daily!

            You should probably take up remedial English as your writing is pathetic. That paragraph is so garbelled as to be almost nonsensical.

            Anyway, the abuse by parents in this country proves you wrong, the parents aren’t doing too well and probably should also go to those state funded parenting classes.

          • AsleepWhileWalking 2.1.2.2.5

            Ahh…so now male and females get to decide human life! Not using the “will of God” argument today.

            Harriet no doubt has more “Fundie Facts” for the rest of us to abide by

          • Frank Macskasy 2.1.2.2.6

            “And besides, no one has a problem with ‘being hetrosexual’ and goes out and kills themselves, they may however, have a problem because they ‘think they MAY BE gay or whatever’. ”

            Untrue.

            If someone gay/lesbian/etc “has a problem”, it’s usually the stresses and pressures placed upon them by certain bigotted individuals or organisations in our society who force them over a cliff.

      • QoT 2.1.3

        Children who have ‘lost’ a parent or two, should be placed into the very next best thing

        Harriet … I think you literally just advocated for the forced adoption of children in solo parent households.

        As others have pointed out, you clearly have absolutely no idea of the diversity and variety of families and households in New Zealand society.

        Both of these things, in my opinion, makes you utterly unqualified to comment on this matter, as you’re a wilfully ignorant bigot.

        • The Al1en 2.1.3.1

          ” utterly unqualified to comment on this matter, as you’re a wilfully ignorant bigot.”

          Hands up who guessed as much after Harriet’s first contribution.

  3. Anne 3

    Compare that photograph of Bob McCoskrie and one of neanderthal man and there really is not a lot of difference. Therein lies the problem. Family First are today’s equivalent of the Flat Earth Society of yesteryear. There is no point in trying to make them see reason because their brains are still wired in a past epoch when ignorance, bigotry and sheer stupidity was the accepted wisdom of the day.

    • Anne 3.1

      Neanderthal man

      Umm, in response to my own comment There is no point etc… :

      Not sure much has actually changed.

      • kiwi_prometheus 3.1.1

        Anne, could you put a picture up of yourself – it will probably have to be in “panoramic” view?

        • Murray Olsen 3.1.1.1

          You’re bloody sick. What makes you think Anne is fat? Is it because none of the nubile porn nymphs you fantasise about ever disagree with you on anything? Why don’t you put up your picture?

          • kiwi_prometheus 3.1.1.1.1

            Anne -> “Compare that photograph of Bob McCoskrie and one of neanderthal man and there really is not a lot of difference. ”

            What a laugh, you lot dish it out then burst into tears when its dished back, Olsen, LOL

            • Anne 3.1.1.1.1.1

              Yeah, well I was being honest. There isn’t a lot of difference is there…. Sure, McCoskrie isn’t hairy and he looks cleaner but pop a scruffy beard on him and rub some dirt on his face and you wouldn’t know the difference. :)

              • Tigger

                Actually McCoskrie is very hairy in real life. The Neanderthal comparison stands!

              • The Al1en

                “pop a scruffy beard on him and rub some dirt on his face”

                I’m sure there are plenty less tolerant than I who would rather rub his face in the dirt. :)

            • Murray Olsen 3.1.1.1.1.2

              What makes you imagine tears? You’re not dishing anything back, just exposing your prejudices a bit more. You really are a very sad relic of long gone but not lamented times.

      • Harriet 3.1.2

        “….There is no point in trying to make them[Family First hetros] see reason because their brains are still wired in a past epoch when ignorance, bigotry and sheer stupidity was the accepted wisdom of the day…”

        WTF?

        Everyone – scientists included – see ‘reason’ and ‘form’ in nature.

        It’s funny how your previous sentance was about the ‘flat earth society’ – a comment usually reserved for ‘religionists’ of some sort or another!

        Tell me Anne, what follows on from 20 lesbians and 20 gay men being the last people on earth?

        Here, I’ll start you off…..firstly, they would ‘change’ to save mankind!

        Secondly, les1 and gay1 would be seen by the rest as a ‘couple’, so as les1 doesn’t sleep with gay2 leading to their offsprings being incestuous. Gay1 would support les1, and their offspring would see a living example of humans sharing the responsabilities of reproduction.[house mothers shouldn't be confined]

        Thirdly, the name currently given to this millenia old responsability to the human species is called …………..flat earthness? ignorance? bigotry? stupidity? Marriage?

        • Andrew Geddis 3.1.2.1

          Tell me Anne, what follows on from 20 lesbians and 20 gay men being the last people on earth?

          I’ll tell you what follows on. A fabulous party, followed by scenes that it’s best you don’t let sully your obviously quite sheltered mind.

          As for “firstly, they would ‘change’ to save mankind!”, I assume the virtual end of the human race has not resulted in the destruction of all turkey basters?

        • Pascal's bookie 3.1.2.2

          Well done, you just proved that marriage is an institution that is defined by a society to serve it’s current needs.

        • gorj 3.1.2.3

          “Here, I’ll start you off…..firstly, they would ‘change’ to save mankind!”

          Are you seriously saying that being gay is a choice? Flat earther seems appropriate.

          • Populuxe1 3.1.2.3.1

            I think you’ll find that gayness isn’t always as inflexible as that, any more than most heterosexuals have never enteratined the possiblility of some same-sex fooling around – hence the Kinsey Scale. After a bottle of vodka, anything is possible.

        • Colonial Weka 3.1.2.4

          “Tell me Anne, what follows on from 20 lesbians and 20 gay men being the last people on earth?”

          The end of global warming, and other human induced disasters, as well as the rest of the world rejoicing?

          “Thirdly, the name currently given to this millenia old responsability to the human species is called …………..flat earthness? ignorance? bigotry? stupidity? Marriage?”

          Marriage in the form you presumably espouse, is neither universal nor the most common form of social contract for raising kids within. The only way you can have marriage in the way you mean is to remove the human rights of women (or men maybe, but I don’t think that’s ever been done). We tried that, it’s been a disaster, we’re getting over it now.

        • The Al1en 3.1.2.5

          “Tell me Anne, what follows on from 20 lesbians and 20 gay men being the last people on earth?

          Here, I’ll start you off…..firstly, they would ‘change’ to save mankind!”

          Oh, the biggest of lol’s for that one. I almost spat out my cider laughing at reading that. :lol:

          “change to save mankind” :lol: Why? They would have already won the evolutionary race :lol:

        • QoT 3.1.2.6

          they would ‘change’ to save mankind!

          Thank you, Harriet, for proving one of my points about Family First and their ilk: utterly obsessed with sex.

          A lesbian would not stop being a lesbian just because she’d consent to sex with a man for the purposes of procreation.

          A gay man would not stop being gay just because he’d consent to sex with a woman for the purposes of procreation.

          And now let me blow your mind: if it were only 40 lesbians left on the planet, they might still be able to reproduce, because not all lesbians are cisgendered.

          • AsleepWhileWalking 3.1.2.6.1

            lol – speak to your audience QoT, I don’t think Harriet will be able to get her mind around that

          • Harriet 3.1.2.6.2

            “….A lesbian would not stop being a lesbian just because she’d consent to sex with a man for the purposes of procreation….”

            What other purpose is there?

            • Colonial Viper 3.1.2.6.2.1

              lolz

            • Flashing Light 3.1.2.6.2.2

              Harriet,

              If your only purpose for having sex with a man is to get pregnant, I think you may be a lesbian.

            • QoT 3.1.2.6.2.3

              A lot of people find sex enjoyable, Harriet. And enjoyment can be purpose enough for plenty of activities.

              Some people don’t find sex enjoyable, of course, and no one should tell them they have to; but I suspect your issue is not that you’re asexual, just that you’re willing to pretend that anyone whose life is different to yours doesn’t exist in order to oppress them.

              • Harriet

                [QoT: Referring to people as having "less meaningful lives" because they're gay contravenes my previous warning to you.]

                • Harriet

                  [QoT: Trying to retcon your original comment is not a winning tactic.]

                  • Harriet

                    Then why don’t you print it – I’m claiming it, not you – I’m sure that you readers can see if it has any ‘value’ or not!

                    And that I’m not ‘retconing’ it – or lying! :cool:

                    [QoT: It's been consigned to the dustbin of history. You are welcome to post further comments which do not demean same-sex relationships. If you can.]

                    • One Tāne Huna

                      Why should people have to read your disgusting hate speech, Harriet?

                      Keep on taking out the trash QoT!

            • Murray Olsen 3.1.2.6.2.4

              What other purpose for sex? Ask Graham Cappill.
              Are you for real, Harriet, or are you just taking the piss? If you are, it’s great satire.

            • millsy 3.1.2.6.2.5

              Fuck youre a prude Harriet.

              You had a bloke finger your clit/G-spot at all.?

              Perhaps such an experience would lighten you up.

              • karol

                I think that’s offensive, millsy – doubly so on a thread about sexual and marriage equality to make macho heterosexist assumptions.

                • millsy

                  Sorry karol but she started by slagging off gays. Dont know why people get uptight about same sex coupling, not like its mandatory or anything. If people are really worried by that, then they are free to move to Saudi Arabia.

                  • karol

                    Well, millsy, I am not in favour of her homophobia, but, as a lesbian, I don’t find such macho insults helpful.

                    • millsy

                      Truth be told, karol, I am the last man that you would want to be calling ‘macho’.

                      [QoT: millsy, this isn't a fun little game. Your comment, to which karol rightfully objected, buys into a lot of sexist bullshit about women's sexuality. Stop it.]

          • Rhinocrates 3.1.2.6.3

            For your amusement, and to totally confuse Harriet, this from Claire Dowie (in Didn’t You Kill My Mother-In-Law? a history of Brit alternative comedy)

            I slept with a man. I don’t know – I thought it was OK, I thought it was right-on radical… ‘cos he was gay as well… it’s true, he’s one of my best friends, and he’s so lovely, he’s so camp… but anyway, I ended up in bed with him – don’t try it. If you’re a butch dyke, and if you go to bed with a very camp man, don’t try it… It was awful… I can’t explain it… it was like there was a penis running around in the bed and we weren’t sure who it belonged to… It was like, ‘Is that yours?’ – ‘No, that’s not mine, mine’s bigger than that’…

        • Roy 3.1.2.7

          ‘Everyone – scientists included – see ‘reason’ and ‘form’ in nature.’

          I don’t see ‘reason’, I see evolution.

          I also see a tremendous amount of homosexuality. Homosexuality has been observed in hundreds of species, but homophobia is found in only one. It is therefore reasonable to conclude that homosexuality is natural and homophobia is not.

          Does it ever occur to you that after WWI, when New Zealand lost a very substantial proportion of its male population of reproductive age, many boys were raised by their mother and another woman (often an aunt or grandmother) and turned out just fine? For that matter, has it ever occurred to you that many lesbian and gay couples are raising fine healthy kids right now?

  4. kiwi_prometheus 4

    “they still want to emphasise that your child is disadvantaged, their rights are being breached, and you are incapable of raising them properly on your own.”

    How hypocritical. Queen Thorns and her ilk are always bleeting about the need for more tax payer handouts to teenagers who keep punching out fatherless sprogs – you know, because they are so liberal and sexually free to get blind drunk and wake up under some 17 yo boy they don’t even know the name of.

    And don’t forget the tax payer is also expected to pick up the tab for the explosion in sexual diseases since ‘womens lib’.

    • Anne 4.1

      And don’t forget the tax payer is also expected to pick up the tab for the explosion in sexual diseases since ‘womens lib’.

      Here we go… it’s all the fault of women. We are the cause of every dastardly deed ever committed by man. Poor kp… anyone who hates women that much is to be pitied. :razz:

      • Harriet 4.1.1

        “…..Here we go… it’s all the fault of women. We are the cause of every dastardly deed ever committed by man. Poor kp… anyone who hates women that much is to be pitied….”

        Womans’ independance is a falsehood as no woman is an island – women by nature are sociable and they are meant to be interdependant – you for one – is always talking to someone else – all day and half of the night!

        Anyone would think Anne that you NEED the reasurrance! Most here are males!

        Anyway, there is no value in gay relationships as that is why ‘gay adoption’ is being called for. – Gay ‘marriage’ was only ever a means to and end! Gays don’t produce anything, they simply co-habitate, but as humans they feel the need to contribute. They now fool themselves into believing that ‘gay adoption’ will be a satisfactory outcome for themselves and the adopted children, but it is not possable as the ‘value’ is in ‘parenting’ the children into a complete being- a hetrosexual union that reproduces: the very antithesis of what they are currently trying to achieve: equivalancy.

        Parenting in itself, and the end result, is about hetrosexuality. Funny that. :cool:

        • Colonial Weka 4.1.1.1

          “Womans’ independance is a falsehood as no woman is an island – women by nature are sociable and they are meant to be interdependant”

          Only an idiot would equate women’s freedom from oppression with dissociation from relationship, family, community. There are plenty of examples of societies that don’t enforce het, monogamous, lifelong marriages, and still raise their children well.

          • Roy 4.1.1.1.1

            I can think, offhand, of three female friends who would be incensed by the description “women by nature are sociable and they are meant to be interdependant”
            They are all strong introverts and proud to manage by themselves. But perhaps they are the statistical outliers. I will know when you provide a peer-reviewed reference that supports your generalisation.

        • QoT 4.1.1.2

          Anyway, there is no value in gay relationships as that is why ‘gay adoption’ is being called for. – Gay ‘marriage’ was only ever a means to and end! Gays don’t produce anything

          Harriet, I’m putting my moderator hat on now. Further comments which are hateful of same-sex relationships will be moderated. You have more than demonstrated your lack of compassion, empathy and understanding for queer people and their families. I’ve had enough of it on my thread.

        • Rosie 4.1.1.3

          Harriet, you made some hilarious statements about women and independence the other day on The Daily Blog.
          Now you are making some more hilarious statements this time about “….a heterosexual union that reproduces”. News flash. Not all heterosexual unions exist for the purpose of procreation.
          What if I told you that some couples, even married ones, choose not to breed?

          Also, what if “family” means a group of people that you belong to through love and loyalty who are not your biological family?
          Theres more to family than Mum, Dad and the kids. Believe me, that Mum, Dad and The Kids deal is not what I have experienced in life. It’s my other “family” that have been there in the worst of times and best of times, when whats left of my biological family wouldn’t even know.

        • AsleepWhileWalking 4.1.1.4

          Gays don’t produce anything, they simply co-habitate, but as humans they feel the need to contribute

          Now your just being insulting. Before you were entertaining me but now it’s getting boring because the intellectual stimulation in your argument isn’t there. Eat some sugar and come back.

      • The Al1en 4.1.2

        “anyone who hates women that much is to be pitied.”

        Indeed. Love women, even your wives and girlfriends.

    • Draco T Bastard 4.2

      You know, every time I see a rant like that from people I just assume it’s cause is that the person is just not getting laid and their actually jealous. Of course the reason why they’re not getting laid is because they’re a bunch of self-righteous pricks with an over developed sense of entitlement.

      BTW, kiwi_prometheus, what you describe there is rape so that would make you a promulgator of rape culture.

      BTW, you should also check out the History of Condoms. STDs have been around a long, long time and people have been sleeping around just as long.

      • Roy 4.2.1

        “You know, every time I see a rant like that from people I just assume it’s cause is that the person is just not getting laid and their actually jealous. Of course the reason why they’re not getting laid is because they’re a bunch of self-righteous pricks with an over developed sense of entitlement.”

        I always assume exactly the same thing and yes, it is generally very obvious why those angry, bitter misogynists are not getting laid.

    • QoT 4.3

      fatherless sprogs

      DPB recipients have invented parthenogenesis? Amazing! Have scientific publications been informed?

      And per Draco’s post, nice rape culture demonstration there. I didn’t realise teenage women had magnets in their genitalia which forced men to “get on top of them” when they’re unconscious.

    • AsleepWhileWalking 4.4

      So women’s lib for you = sexually transmitted diseases caused by those “blind drunk” women no doubt. Unfortunately there were sexually transmitted diseases in abundance long before women’s lib was ever conceived.

      I bet both you are Harriet were fun in your 20′s, and I mean that sincerely because this is the most entertaining thread I’ve read for a long time.

  5. kiwi_prometheus 5

    “They probably think “kids are better off with two parents than one.””

    No, they think a child has a right to a mother and a father.

    Two mommies don’t make a good father, Queen of Manhaters, no matter how much Social Constructivist mumbo jumbo you try to hid it under.

    • Colonial Weka 5.1

      So widows and widowers should be forced to remarry?

      The two-parent nuclear family is a tiny fragment of how children have been raised historically, and has been shown to be an unstable form of family unless you force heterosexual couples to stay together for life (usually by removing women’s financial and legal independence). It’s a blip that hopefully will soon be rectified. It’s likely that families and communities do best when children are raised in extended family situations.

      • kiwi_prometheus 5.1.1

        More Social Constructivist nonsense.

        “It’s a blip that hopefully will soon be rectified.”

        Why don’t you Gay Marriage lot stand up in public and make that crazy extremist claim, in our democracy?

        Go on, lets see how much support you would get from the citizens of NZ then.

        Sweet FA is what you would get, Weka, thats why you hide your true colours from NZers and try to advance your cause behind lies.

        • Lanthanide 5.1.1.1

          “Why don’t you Gay Marriage lot stand up in public and make that crazy extremist claim, in our democracy?”

          This is a public website, you know.

          Also Weka’s point had nothing to do with gay marriage anyway; (s)he simply stated that extended families make the best situation in which to raise children. So if anything, you should be happy for that viewpoint, because any homosexual couple with children is 99.99% guaranteed to have a heterosexual extended family.

        • Colonial Weka 5.1.1.2

          “Go on, lets see how much support you would get from the citizens of NZ then.”

          Pretty much every parent I have ever known would say that extended family are a boon for raising kids. Esp the ones that live in a different place then the rest of their family.

        • AsleepWhileWalking 5.1.1.3

          “extremist claim” – you mean the claim that our radical MP’s who democratically represent our nation are about to pass into law? This thread just keeps getting better and better ; )

    • Oh dear – the topic has worked its magic and summoned a crazy.

      “No, they think a child has a right to a mother and a father.”

      What does this mean? That there is a corresponding duty to provide a child with a mother and a father on … whom? The parents of the child? So, divorce is to be abolished, I guess. That’ll come as a shock to a big chunk of straight couples. Or, is it the State that has this duty? So, we’ll have to have mandatory taking of children from single parents in order to place them with “proper” families. Just like Australia did up until the early 80s. Look how well that worked out.

      In reality, of course, this is a meaningless bumper-sticker slogan which sounds a bit better than “don’t let the fags and dykes have kids”.

      Two mommies don’t make a good father, Queen of Manhaters, no matter how much Social Constructivist mumbo jumbo you try to hid it under.

      No. But they don’t have to. Two mommies can make two good mommies. And the evidence (as in, what happens in the real world, not in social constructivist theory) is that kids with two good mommies do every bit as well as kids with a good mommy and good daddy. See, e.g., http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/children-in-gay-adoptions-at-no-disadvantage-8518004.html

      • kiwi_prometheus 5.2.1

        “Two mommies can make two good mommies.”

        But they don’t make a good father.

        Every child has a right to a biological mother and father, of course circumstances sometimes mean this can’t happen.

        But this is no excuse for a government or society to actively promote fatherless or motherless families.

        Your social ‘science’ references mean nothing – some of the so called ‘research’ tries to claim gay families are superior – but I don’t see you lot parroting that claim in the media – obviously because your little propaganda crusade would crash and burn if you tried.

        • Andrew Geddis 5.2.1.1

          But they don’t make a good father.

          So what? Where is your evidence that a child raised by two mothers is in any way disadvantaged/worse off than a child raised by a mother and a father? You can’t just say “it must be so” … or, rather, you can. But it’s a piss weak claim.

          Every child has a right to a biological mother and father…

          Now you are just mindlessly repeating yourself. Explain what this means, or else find something new to say.

          Your social ‘science’ references mean nothing…

          So, we’re not interested in any actual evidence on this topic? Oh well, then – if we’re just dealing in opinions, you’ll note the numbers in Parliament and realise that we won, you lost, eat that.

          • mikesh 5.2.1.1.1

            “So what? Where is your evidence that a child raised by two mothers is in any way disadvantaged/worse off than a child raised by a mother and a father? You can’t just say “it must be so” … or, rather, you can. But it’s a piss weak claim.”

            I think this perhaps is something that can’t be proved either way since the impacts of the two situations on the same child can’t really be compared. However it’s a reasonable supposition that a mother and father is preferable to two mothers (or two fathers).

            • Andrew Geddis 5.2.1.1.1.1

              However it’s a reasonable supposition that a mother and father is preferable to two mothers (or two fathers).

              Why? What makes it “reasonable”? Given that you say the supposition “can’t be proved either way”, why do you hold it?

              There’s been enough same sex couples raising kids for long enough to create a big enough data set to shed some light on this. And, as I linked to before, that light indicates just the opposite of your “reasonable supposition”.

              • mikesh

                Maybe. But, as I said, that “evidence” will always be suspect because it’s not possible to compare the two impacts on the same child. And while we obviously are not able to prove the opposite it seems intuitively likely, other things being equal.

                • QoT

                  The evidence will only be suspect because people like you, mike, suddenly decide that standard scientific methods of studying social outcomes magically aren’t valid when it comes to an issue where the evidence contradicts what you “think” the answer should be.

                  Now please, do enlighten us as to what “intuitive” benefits having a penis-possessing adult who identifies as male and a vagina-possessing adult who identifies as female in the household give to a child.

                • And while we obviously are not able to prove the opposite it seems intuitively likely, other things being equal.

                  As intuitively likely as the sun going around the earth? After all, it doesn’t feel like we are moving, so it stands to reason that it must be the sun that is. Or as intuitively likely as humans being able to alter the earth’s climate? After all, we are so very, very small and it is so very, very big. Or as intuitively likely as living creatures being the result of natural selection? After all, it sure looks like they deliberately were designed to do the things that they do.

                  But putting the often illusory nature of “intuitive truth” to one side, and despite your claim that the issue is not amenable to proof, the data set is big enough that we surely still ought to be able to see some correlative relationship that supports the claim that two straight parents are (on the whole, in the round) better for kids than two same sex ones. So … where it is?

                  • lprent

                    You could write an encyclopedia on the failures of “common sense” and intuition as predictive instruments throughout history. Start with the widespread intuition about the curative properties of radium and x-rays being a particularly spectacular failure.

                    ..see some correlative relationship that supports the claim that two straight parents are (on the whole, in the round) better for kids than two same sex ones. So … where it is?

                    And the data set sizes for the question are more than ample to show any such correlation if it existed and have been for decades. The few same-sex couples that I have seen raising kids appear to raise saner progeny than most straight couples I know. But that could simply be because they have to think about conception outside of the passion of the moment.

                    But yeah, if there was a scientific statistically significant study anywhere (rather than this propaganda opinion piece from Curia of other peoples unfounded opinions on an ambiguous question), then I don’t know about it. The curious absence of anything scientific in the face of all of the bigoted fools around who’d be willing to fund a “good” result (like Curia’s poll) suggests that mikesh’s intuition is just unfounded and inaccurate.

                  • mikesh

                    Natural parents are often “thrown in at the deep end” while adoptive parents, of either sexuality, have probably read all the approved books on parenting. You may well say that this is good thing, and maybe it is. But isn’t it likely to introduce a bias into any statistical studies.

                    It is not the presence of a “penis possessing male adult and a vagina possessing female adult”, as QoT puts it in her rather emotional outburst above, that renders natural parenting likely to be a preferable option, but the fact that the children are likely to share some of the genetic characteristics ot the parents. Brainy parents are likely to have brainy children, athletic parents athletic children etc.

                    [QoT: Trying to criticise my comment as "emotional" is not a winning move, mike. If you use any further classic misogynist trolling techniques on my post your comments will be deleted.]

                    • Natural parents are often “thrown in at the deep end” while adoptive parents, of either sexuality, have probably read all the approved books on parenting.

                      As someone who has two adopted children with my wife, can I just say that this is complete rubbish? For child number one, we received a week’s notice that she was coming to us (just 3 weeks after being “approved” as potential adoptive parents). For child number two, it was 10 days. I’d suggest that this is a bit more “being thrown in the deep end” than having a child after nine months of pregnancy.

                      Furthermore, on what basis do you speculate that potential parents wanting to adopt read more parenting books than people who know they are pregnant and will be having a child in 9 months? Even for someone whose arguments seem entirely based on evidence-free “intuition”, this is a compete stretch.

                    • mikesh

                      If you have taken offense at my comment then I apologise, However it seemed to me that the expressions “penis possessing male” and “vagina poosing female” were somewhat emotionally charged expressions. You might well have said “a man and a woman”. I would also be interested in being shown where I have used a “misogynist trolling technique”.

                    • QoT []

                      I was being precise, mike, since not all women have vaginas and not all men have penises – and I felt, and feel, comfortable to assume that your “intuitive” assumptions about childrearing aren’t open-minded enough to include trans people.

                      You used a misogynistic trolling technique when you referred to my comment as a “rather emotional outburst”. It’s basic tone policing.

                      And I don’t accept apologies when they’re insincere “I’m sorry if” bullshit.

                    • mikesh

                      Fair enough. Points taken.

        • Colonial Viper 5.2.1.2

          But this is no excuse for a government or society to actively promote fatherless or motherless families.

          You don’t argue against a need for Government and society to recognise and respect them however.

          • kiwi_prometheus 5.2.1.2.1

            Respect citizens of course, recognise same sex marriages, of course not.

            It is Queen of MANHATERS who has no respect for anyone who doesn’t kowtow to her crazy Social Constructivist Feminist nonsense.

            [lprent: Stay away from attacking the authors unless you really want your ability to comment here removed. This is your warning, but since I suspect that you are going to find that it is impossible for you to change your computer redecoration behaviour I'm going to manually release your comments for a while. ]

            • Andrew Geddis 5.2.1.2.1.1

              Oh dear. Don’t let the flecks of spittle short out your computer keyboard, k_p.

            • QoT 5.2.1.2.1.2

              You persist in pigeonholing me, k_p. This was initially amusing given your own previous comments, but I’m bored with my posts being derailed by your constant, baseless whinging, and your frequent namecalling. lprent has given you multiple warnings. Do it again and you’re perma-banned from my posts.

        • Draco T Bastard 5.2.1.3

          But they don’t make a good father.

          They don’t need one if they’re in an extended family, whanau, or just a caring and open community because they’ll be lots of great guys around to act as male role models. What you’re afraid of can only happen if people divorce themselves from society. Of course, that has been happening as the nuclear family has been forced upon society by the church and business.

          • mikesh 5.2.1.3.1

            I don’t know that the church has been responsible for the nuclear family. But I do think that the church has done a lot to give extramarital forms of cohabitation a bad name.

    • QoT 5.3

      Science says you are wrong.

    • Roy 5.4

      I don’t know many lesbian couples with children, but the ones I do know make special efforts to ensure that their kids have good male role models in their lives. I assume that gay men do the same; include good female role models in their kids’ lives. There is no need for those role models to be the parents themselves.

  6. Aren’t you glad, solo parents, that Family First is able to acknowledge that death has “delivered” a sub-optimal family situation for your child?

    I presume you don’t have a child yourself. I can’t speak for widow/widower parents, but know that most live parents wholeheartedly share my view that the death of the other parent mos def would “deliver a sub-optimal family situation,” and that yes our children would equally mos def be missing out on a lot by not having that other parent to help look after them.

    • kiwi_prometheus 6.1

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    • gorj 6.2

      The death of my abusive and cheating grandfather was the best thing that ever happened to gran and mum. Not according to FF tho..

      • kiwi_prometheus 6.2.1

        Nice to know what motivates your blind hatred for heterosexual marriage.

          • kiwi_prometheus 6.2.1.1.1

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            • Pascal's bookie 6.2.1.1.1.1

              Based on this:

              socially constructed the debate as Righteous Feminist Freedom Fighters

              you probably shouldn’t follow that line much further k_p. Stick the offensive bullshit and leave the 5 dollar words to those who have earned them.

    • Draco T Bastard 6.3

      And yet if you were in an extended family such a loss would not be quite as devastating because there would be others around to pick up the slack.

      • Psycho Milt 6.3.1

        I see it’s not just Family First that has a prescriptive answer to what a family should look like. We all have extended families already – if most are anything like mine, the various extended family members don’t live in the same town, and in some cases not even the same country. Living in a village with all your relatives and having a hard time avoiding in-breeding are thankfully parts of the now very-distant past.

        Not to mention: no number of aunts, grandparents and older cousins replaces a parent – historically, being passed around various relatives has been a recipe for child abuse and various other problems. At the population level, a child is better off with its own parents.

        • QoT 6.3.1.1

          There’s nothing “prescriptive” about acknowledging that there are a wide variety of family setups, and that many people have extended support networks which aren’t limited to blood relations.

          People who argue against same-sex couples adopting (ignoring the ridiculous situation we have now where gay individuals can adopt just fine) try to pretend that the only two adults who can ever have an effect on a child’s life and development are the parents. Not the extended family, not the parents’ friends, not their school teachers. That’s what’s prescriptive.

          Trying to paint extended family support networks as “being passed around various relatives” so your argument looks better is a little shabby when that’s clearly not what anyone’s talking about.

          • Psycho Milt 6.3.1.1.1

            There’s nothing “prescriptive” about acknowledging that there are a wide variety of family setups, and that many people have extended support networks which aren’t limited to blood relations.

            Sure. I’ve encountered Mr Bastard’s attitude to the nuclear family before, that’s all.

            Trying to paint extended family support networks as “being passed around various relatives” so your argument looks better is a little shabby when that’s clearly not what anyone’s talking about.

            Meh – it may not be what people talk about, but it’s what “being looked after by extended family” tends to mean in practice. I don’t share hippies’ rose-tinted view of extended families.

            • QoT 6.3.1.1.1.1

              You deliberately misinterpret someone’s argument and your response to this being pointed out is “meh” – after which you present a just-so story about families raising children which neatly fits your argument and erases a hell of a lot of other societies’ and cultures’ approaches to childrearing (oh, that’s right – “no one” lives in villages any more, lol inbreeding).

              Something tells me you really aren’t presenting your own opinions so much as you’re shit-stirring. How totally edgy and awesome of you. :roll:

              • I’m aware many people around the world still do live in villages with all their relatives and get to figure out ways to avoid inbreeding. It’s just not particularly relevant to the formulation of social policy in this country.

                And I’m not misinterpreting someone’s argument. The “argument,” if you could call it that, was that loss of a parent isn’t such a big deal if you have an extended family close by to “take up the slack.” It’s an expression of Mr Bastard’s view that parents are over-rated, so not one I bother treating with a great deal of respect.

            • Draco T Bastard 6.3.1.1.1.2

              Meh – it may not be what people talk about, but it’s what “being looked after by extended family” tends to mean in practice.

              [citation needed]

        • Colonial Weka 6.3.1.2

          “Not to mention: no number of aunts, grandparents and older cousins replaces a parent – historically, being passed around various relatives has been a recipe for child abuse and various other problems. At the population level, a child is better off with its own parents.”

          Citation needed.

          There is a difference between extended family situations that are stable that raise kids, and ‘passing a kid round the rellies’. I’m not even sure what you are referring to historically, but it sounds like families/societies that have been severely disrupted. I was talking about cultures where childrearing is done withing a wider group than 2 het adults. That’s doesn’t exclude the biological parents in the way you seem to think it does.

        • Flashing Light 6.3.1.3

          We all have extended families already – if most are anything like mine, the various extended family members don’t live in the same town, and in some cases not even the same country.

          Seeing as you’ve on a couple of occasions used your own situation to make generalised claims about the world, can I just say that having kids with my partner and having grandparents and uncles/aunts living in the same city is just fantastic. Insofar as you are missing out on this, I’m sorry. Not that you aren’t doing a great job as a parent, but it is a lot easier and less stressful with willing family hands to call on regularly.

          Also, Jared Diamond presents a somewhat rosier picture of communal child raising than you do: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2013/jan/06/jared-diamond-tribal-life-anthropology

          • Psycho Milt 6.3.1.3.1

            …can I just say that having kids with my partner and having grandparents and uncles/aunts living in the same city is just fantastic.

            I don’t doubt it. But it doesn’t help me look any more favourably on Draco T. Bastard’s view that the death of your partner would matter less because your relatives would “take up the slack.”

            • Colonial Weka 6.3.1.3.1.1

              Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. If your basic survival needs aren’t met adequately, it’s harder to grieve or deal with higher order needs like family and social.

            • Draco T Bastard 6.3.1.3.1.2

              You’re putting word in my mouth. I didn’t say that it would matter less, I said it would be less devastating. Losing 50% of the adults in the family is going to cause a hell of a lot more disruption than losing 10%. The emotional pain would still be the same.

    • QoT 6.4

      That’s not the point, PM. The point is that Family First are pretending to be gracious by saying “Your child is going to be fucked up beyond repair, oh, but if your partner died we won’t forcibly take your child away from you, so be grateful.”

      You will note Harriet upthread apparently thinks your child should be forcibly removed from you if your partner dies.

      As to my own reproductive status, it is not relevant to this conversation and it’s none of your fucking business. Future speculation on it gets the mod-boot.

      [lprent: drat - missed that one. ]

      • Psycho Milt 6.4.1

        Your “reproductive status” is of no interest – it was a rhetorical point only.

        You seem to have read something into that statement by Family First that just isn’t there. The statement says that some children might have to do without one parent due to the realities of life and death, but we shouldn’t voluntarily inflict such a thing on children as a matter of public policy. I think that view is wrong, but it’s a view they’re entitled to hold and it implies no offence to widows/widowers or whatever village they’ve got raising their child.

        • QoT 6.4.1.1

          Really, PM, this entire line of argument is beneath you. It wasn’t a “rhetorical point”, it was a presumption about my “validity” to hold an opinion on family-related issues.

          And no one is saying “Family First has no right to hold views”. What they shouldn’t do is (a) present their opinions as fact (b) wilfully manipulate people into giving them the answers they want and (c) oppress people.

  7. kiwi_prometheus 7

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  8. Colonial Viper 8

    “Family first” is on a demographic losing streak. It’s idiotic.

  9. Tanz 9

    Good on Familty First. At least they have some morals.

    • kiwi_prometheus 9.1

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    • Flashing Light 9.2

      Tanz,

      Of course, the Taleban have some pretty strong morals as well. Good on them, too?

      And I seem to remember a pretty moral dude who said some things like “judge not, least you be judged”, “love one another as I have loved you” and “let he who is without sin cast the first stone”, while he hung around in the company of whores and tax collectors. There’s even a book about him.

      • Murray Olsen 9.2.1

        I suspect the tax collector bit was added in after Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire.

    • Pete 9.3

      “Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people whom we personally dislike” – Oscar Wilde

    • Draco T Bastard 9.4

      No, they’re completely immoral, possibly amoral. That’s what comes when you try to force your narrow POV of life upon everybody else.

    • millsy 9.5

      Morals my arse. Moral are usually an exuse to kick down the doors on consenting adults.

      Do you want homosexuality recriminalised, because it looks like that is what you want to do. You and every other dirty filthy god botherer.

      In a world where SCIENTIFIC PROCESSES are understood, your religion is outdated, and used as an excuse to control what people do with their lives.

      Even the new pope is a scientist. How ironic, seeing as the Catholic Church once burnt them at the stake.

    • AsleepWhileWalking 9.6

      You seem to confuse morals with strong opinion.

  10. millsy 10

    Tanz, Harriet, and KP — do you want homosexuality recriminalised and for the state to kick down the doors on the bedroom of consenting adults?

    Yes or no.

    You three, along with McCroskie, will stop at nothing to liquidate the homosexual population, and shoehorn everyone at gunpoint into a mum/dad and 2 children arrangement, whether that makes people happy or not.

    This must be opposed.

    If you win, we can be assured that people will be criminalised for:

    having sex out side of marriage
    holding hands
    wearing sexy clothes
    having a divorce
    having an abortion
    teaching evolution in our schools
    having a porn mag in our drawer.

    Everything,.

    • Murray Olsen 10.1

      Edited to better reflect the actual situation:

      If you win, we can be assured that people will be criminalised for:

      getting caught having sex out side of marriage
      being seen in public holding hands
      wearing sexy clothes when uncle isn’t visiting
      women wanting a divorce
      having an abortion
      teaching evolution in our schools without giving equal time to creation science and the Bible, and stressing that evolution is just a theory, like cows, for example
      letting anyone know that we have a porn mag in our drawer.

      Everything,.

      With very few exceptions, these moralists and bigotted fundamentalists turn out to be hypocrites. They insist that the rest of us attain the absolute moral purity that they themselves can never quite reach.

      • Colonial Viper 10.1.1

        Curious obsessional predelictions

      • Pete 10.1.2

        Relax. Culture war’s over. We’ve already won. Hearts and minds have been changed and the Westboro types will dissipate like mist in the sunshine. A new day is dawning.

        • Colonial Viper 10.1.2.1

          The loss of civil liberties only ever comes a few dollars at a time*

          *paraphrased from The West Wing

        • Murray Olsen 10.1.2.2

          We might have the upper hand, but people who are 100% sure they are doing God’s work never really stop. Stranger things have happened, such as the rise of Islamic fundamentalism since the West started overthrowing secular populist/socialist/nationalist regimes all through the Middle East. It can never hurt to remember just what these people represent.

        • Colonial Weka 10.1.2.3

          “Relax. Culture war’s over. We’ve already won. Hearts and minds have been changed and the Westboro types will dissipate like mist in the sunshine. A new day is dawning.”

          That’s not the experience of feminism. After the new day dawning, comes the backlash. Not sure if this will play out the same with gender and sexuality issues, because proportionally they are less of a threat to the status quo. But feminism had its new dawn, and then had to re-engage the fight as gains were co-opted and avenues thought open were just dead ends. We have been allowed certain rights, but they are by not means universal nor set in stone. We can still lose. And the threat is not just from the religious fundamentalists, it is such a mistake to think that.

          • QoT 10.1.2.3.1

            Agreed, CW. Not to mention the fact that just because we can see we’re at a tipping point, and It Gets Better from here on in, doesn’t change the fact that a lot of people right now still face very real oppression and very real threats – physical, psychological, financial – from the parts of society which aren’t happy about the progress we’re making.

          • Draco T Bastard 10.1.2.3.2

            Well said and I see it happening to democracy especially under this government.

            • Colonial Weka 10.1.2.3.2.1

              Yes. I despair of NZ sometimes, and struggle to see why people are not protesting what is going on. The only explanations I can think of are the frog on the pot of water on the boil analogy, or that the global situation is so scarey now that people are just unable to engage anymore.

    • Harriet 10.2

      “…..You three [Tanz, Harriet, and KP] , along with McCroskie, will stop at nothing to liquidate the homosexual population, and shoehorn everyone at gunpoint into a mum/dad and 2 children arrangement, whether that makes people happy or not…..”

      No….not really.

      Hetrosexual lives by themselves, are fulfilling as they are – there is no need to equate them with anything else!
      Promoting them however as the ‘ideal’ affords women and children an additional level of welfare. Married people are healthier and wealthier.They are facts. And promoting that is just civil duty if one is concerned about child welfare and it’s cost to individuals and society. Most young men in prison today in the west, have spent very little, or no time at all, with their natural fathers.

      We are allowed by law to value relationships anyway we want. Why would we want to tell our children that childless gay relationships are satisfactory when evidence suggests that they arn’t? Just look at the claim for ‘needed’ adoption by gays, and the suicide, mental illness, drugs, alcohol ect stats.

      Gays and their supporters just need to understand that we will decide the values that our children are taught – not enforced upon them by ‘agents of change’ !
      Gays ect aren’t being ‘strung up in the streets’ – infact, I’d say gays have it about as good as they’ll ever get it – as the law no longer defines gays as anything less than anyone else! No one cares that gays exist in society.It’s not a problem in itself.
      So ‘change’ enforced into the minds of children is not needed as there is nothing to change!

      Children will simply accept gays for who and what they are – under their own esteem.Enforcing a viewpoint about gays onto adolescents will simply alert them to question it’s validation: assumed inferiorority or wrong doing by gays if there is no evidence of persecution.

      And besides, I had children for my own sake – not for the sake of the gaybourhood! :cool:

      • Colonial Viper 10.2.1

        Are you sure you live in the same country as the rest of us? Just asking.

      • Draco T Bastard 10.2.2

        Most young men in prison today in the west, have spent very little, or no time at all, with their natural fathers.

        [Citation Needed]

        And do make sure it’s peer reviewed scientific literature and not from some religious BS.

        Why would we want to tell our children that childless gay relationships are satisfactory when evidence suggests that they arn’t?

        Because the evidence, the real stuff and not the stuff made up by bigots, shows that such relationships are just as good as hetero ones.

        • Flashing Light 10.2.2.1

          Most young men in prison today in the west, have spent very little, or no time at all, with their natural fathers.

          Great! Once joint same sex adoption is legalised, the kids of a gay couple will be twice as likely not to go to jail!! What a good thing.

      • millsy 10.2.3

        Sounds like you think that you want children that gays are abhorrent, filthy and disgusting, and that they should be strung up with piano wire.

        I ask again.

        Should homosexuality be recrminialised?

      • karol 10.2.4

        Harriet: Married people are healthier and wealthier.They are facts. And promoting that is just civil duty if one is concerned about child welfare and it’s cost to individuals and society.

        Really? And where did you find evidence of these “facts”? Because, form what I see, the facts, supported by research, point in a different direction.

        Gay people, are no less stressed than heterosexual people, and gays who are out are less stressed than others.

        Research shows that married (heterosexual) people are happier….. than single heterosexual people, not that they are happier than same sex couples. In fact, the evidence points in the other direction.

        Same sex couples (and same sex friends) bring up children due to circumstances beyond their control. That will not change. The only reason same sex couples with children are worse of financially, is due to lack of state protections.

        In spite of the discrimination, children raised by same sex couples do as well or better than children raised by opposite sex parents.

        Since the 1970s, it has become increasingly clear that it is family processes (such as the quality of parenting, the psychosocial well-being of parents, the quality of and satisfaction with relationships within the family, and the level of co-operation and harmony between parents) that contribute to determining children’s well-being and ‘outcomes’, rather than family structures, per se, such as the number, gender, sexuality and co-habitation status of parents.[4][23]

        This was the conclusion reached by the Australian Psychological society:

        In keeping with the broader family studies literature, the literature discussed here indicates that the family factors that are important for children’s outcomes and well-being are family processes and the quality of interactions and relationships. The research indicates that parenting practices and children’s outcomes in families parented by lesbian and gay parents are likely to be at least as favourable as those in families of heterosexual parents, despite the reality that considerable legal discrimination and inequity remain significant challenges for these families.

        • QoT 10.2.4.1

          Sadly, karol, I feel your facts and citations will do no good with Harriet. She’s also been all over my post on abortion rights at The Daily Blog – clearly someone whose personal “values” align pretty much 100% with Bob McCoskrie’s.

          • Flashing Light 10.2.4.1.1

            That’s the great thing about having one little book that tells you how things are all the time, for all time. You don’t need to mess around with stuff like “evidence”. You’ve got it right there in the text – as interpreted and applied by the right people, of course. Who must be men. Who don’t have sex. Unless it’s with little boys.

            Until some smart-alek comes along and ruins it: http://queenjamesbible.com/

            • karol 10.2.4.1.1.1

              So I guess when Harriet says “They are facts” we shouldn’t take her literally and that they are more like Biblical “facts” or it’s just being used as a rhetorical device?

          • Draco T Bastard 10.2.4.1.2

            …clearly someone whose personal “values” align pretty much 100% with Bob McCoskrie’s.

            And not at all with reality.

      • The Al1en 10.2.5

        “Gays and their supporters just need to understand that we will decide the values that our children are taught – not enforced upon them by ‘agents of change’ !”

        Family first and associated nut jobs just need to understand that we will decide the values that our children are taught – Not enforced upon them by ‘agents of hatred’.

        • AsleepWhileWalking 10.2.5.1

          Gays and their supporters just need to understand that we will decide the values that our children are taught

          You and your ilk have no ability to “decide the values that our children a taught”. My children are taught acceptance and tolerance. They are easy to be around and are a living demonstration of my values.

          I’m glad we now have gay stereotypes rammed down our collective conciousness, such as tv shows “The New Normal” and “Modern Family” because eventually it will make it’s way to your children even if you isolate them from TV and indoctrinate them with your teachings. At some point in the future your children or your children’s children will realise just how odd the idea is that the only successful family is male/female nuclear.

      • Flashing Light 10.2.6

        And besides, I had children for my own sake …

        How completely selfish – treating children as a trophy to fulfill your own personal needs, rather than as a responsibility to the future .

        It’s “me, me, me” types like you, Harriet, that are destroying this nation.

        • Harriet 10.2.6.1

          “…How completely selfish – treating children as a trophy to fulfill your own personal needs, rather than as a responsibility to the future ….It’s “me, me, me” types like you, Harriet, that are destroying this nation…”

          But gays don’t procreate in their relationships – so how am I any differant?

          Or are you suggesting that people ONLY have children for the benefit of the future – and that they don’t come ‘naturally’?

          • Colonial Viper 10.2.6.1.1

            You have a lovely and deep fascination for other peoples’ bedroom lives.

            Where did that come from?

          • Flashing Light 10.2.6.1.2

            Seriously? You are THAT unable to detect sarcasm? How exactly do you function in the world on a day-to-day basis?

            But when you ask “how am I any differant [to gays]?”, I accept your implicit answer. You aren’t. You are just the same as a gay or a lesbian. You win – right?

            As for children being born “naturally”, what does this mean? Does it encompass IVF? Sperm donation (as used by straight or same sex couples)? Surrogacy (as used by straight or same sex couples)? Adoption (intra- or inter-country)? If not, why not? And if so, why are some methods “natural” when used by straight couples, but not by same sex ones?

      • felix 10.2.7

        “Married people are healthier and wealthier.They are facts. And promoting that is just civil duty if one is concerned about child welfare and it’s cost to individuals and society.”

        Yay, Harriet supports marriage equality after all.

  11. cricklewood 11

    Hey Millsy, be good if you could ease up on the piano wire call… probably taking it a step to far imho…

  12. felix 12

    This is why I like David Farrar so much. He’s all about “Fomenting Happy Mischief”.

    • felix 12.1

      Oh sorry, did I say “Happy mischief”?

      I meant to say “Hatred, bigotry, divisiveness, othering, fear, lies, and ignorance”.

      • Colonial Viper 12.1.1

        Nice set up

      • Flashing Light 12.1.2

        Now, now … to be fair to David, there is money involved in carrying out these polls. And he’d hardly be true to his principles if he turned down money, would he?

        Actually, and more seriously, I don’t think he could lawfully refuse to conduct such polling for Family First. That would be discriminating on the basis of political views/religious belief. And that would be in breach of the Human Rights Act. So perhaps we shouldn’t shoot the messenger too quickly.

        • Colonial Viper 12.1.2.1

          Actually, and more seriously, I don’t think he could lawfully refuse to conduct such polling for Family First.

          You would simply say “with our current heavy work load from existing clients, we wouldn’t be able to complete what you needed in a timely fashion. Try this number instead”.

          • Flashing Light 12.1.2.1.1

            Well, if we take the law against discrimination seriously, I’m not sure that is very good advice. After all, how happy would we be if a Christian motelier were to falsely tell an unwed couple with a baby that there is no room in his motel because he thinks their relationship is sinful, but they nevertheless are welcome to bed down in the garage.

          • lprent 12.1.2.1.2

            …we wouldn’t be able to complete what you needed in a timely fashion. Try this number instead”.

            Probably how curia got the job.

          • Draco T Bastard 12.1.2.1.3

            Personally, I’d prefer that they use honesty. Just tell the client that the questions are unethical, ambiguous and will create no polling accuracy and to get back to them when they have decent questions.

        • Lanthanide 12.1.2.2

          “Actually, and more seriously, I don’t think he could lawfully refuse to conduct such polling for Family First. That would be discriminating on the basis of political views/religious belief. And that would be in breach of the Human Rights Act. So perhaps we shouldn’t shoot the messenger too quickly.”

          Wow, you don’t really get this whole discrimination thing, do you?

          Any private company is free to discriminate in any way it chooses. That’s how you have sports clubs that don’t allow women, or working mens clubs that don’t allow people to wear headgear in their premises. There’s nothing illegal about it. In the court of public opinion however, such positions won’t be very popular.

          As a business, you are not somehow *forced* to do work for any customer that comes your way.

          • Flashing Light 12.1.2.2.1

            Wow, you don’t really get this whole discrimination thing, do you? Any private company is free to discriminate in any way it chooses.

            While I could respond snarkily, I’ll restrain myself to quoting the relevant section of the Human Rights Act 1993:

            44 Provision of goods and services

            (1) It shall be unlawful for any person who supplies goods, facilities, or services to the public or to any section of the public—

            (a) to refuse or fail on demand to provide any other person with those goods, facilities, or services; or

            (b) to treat any other person less favourably in connection with the provision of those goods, facilities, or services than would otherwise be the case,—

            by reason of any of the prohibited grounds of discrimination.

            • Colonial Viper 12.1.2.2.1.1

              How many successful prosecutions have there been, is the real question.

              • Flashing Light

                Dunno.

                But I reiterate – if you want to argue “it is wrong for people to refuse to rent rooms to Maori/hire women/let Asians sit in their restaurant”, then you can’t really say “Curia should tell Family First to go stuff their poll, because Family First is a conservative, religious group.”

                Or, rather, you can say it. But you’d be a hypocrite.

                • Colonial Viper

                  Disagree. Being intolerant of activities designed to spread intolerance is fine, IMO. If you want to claim that’s equivalent to approving of prejudice against women, asians, Maori, gays etc. that’s up to you.

                • Draco T Bastard

                  “Curia should tell Family First to go stuff their poll, because Family First is a conservative, religious group.”

                  But no one’s saying that. They’re saying that Curia should have enough professionalism not to do polls that are “unethical, ambiguous and will create no polling accuracy”. Got nothing to do with religion and everything to do with being accurate.

                  • QoT

                    Same way it doesn’t breach the Human Rights Act if a builder tells a religious group “sorry, the design you want for your temple is too structurally unstable, even if it’s within the building code.”

                    • One Tāne Huna

                      What about “This building provides far too many opportunities for abuse, even if it’s within the building code”?

  13. James 13

    H[QoT: don't accuse authors of lying.

    ETA: too quick there. Expanded warning: Don't accuse authors of lying when you're deliberately misrepresenting their posts; don't demand authors post on things you want them to; don't use the woefully inaccurate Herald DigiPoll as proof of anything]

    [lprent: Drat. I missed it. ]

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    Today marks two years since Labour MP Sue Moroney's Bill extending paid parental leave to 26 weeks was drawn from the members' ballot. “It’s time the Government acted in the interests of families,” Sue Moroney says. “National has tried every...
    Labour | 17-04
  • Taxpayers robbed of $130m in Genesis sale
    Kiwi taxpayers have been robbed of $130 million by the Government in its final failed asset sale, says Labour’s SOEs spokesperson Clayton Cosgrove. “National set the price for Genesis far too low in a desperate attempt to beef up demand....
    Labour | 17-04
  • Work visa problems need monitoring
    The Government is handing out temporary work visas to migrants to work in jobs that could easily be filled by unemployed Kiwi workers in the Christchurch rebuild, says Darien Fenton, Labour’s Associate Immigration spokesperson. “In the past 12 months, temporary...
    Labour | 17-04
  • Resignation rates among cops soar
    The number of frontline officers quitting the police force is at a four-year high, with more than 350 walking off the job in the past year, Labour’s Police spokesperson Jacinda Ardern says. “Since 2009 resignation rates among sworn staff have...
    Labour | 17-04
  • Service for victims of sexual violence pushed out in cold
    The Green Party is calling on Housing New Zealand to revisit its decision to evict an essential community organisation in Christchurch with only eight weeks notice.Yesterday at the Select Committee inquiry into funding for sexual violence support services the organisation...
    Greens | 17-04
  • Legal high ban worthy of wider pick-up
    Auckland Council’s ban on using legal highs in a public place is an excellent idea that should be replicated around New Zealand, says Labour’s Associate Health Spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway. “Auckland Council has implemented a by-law banning the use of psychoactive...
    Labour | 17-04
  • Smith sells state P-houses to first home buyers
    Nick Smith must reassure worried first home buyers that any Housing NZ houses sold under his First Home policy will be tested for P contamination after revelations that three out of seven properties sold in Wanganui tested positive for methamphetamine,...
    Labour | 17-04
  • PM’s China visit assisted Oravida, not Fonterra
    Questions must now be asked whether it was Fonterra or Oravida who really benefited from the Prime Minister’s recent visit to China, Labour’s Primary Industries spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “Before his departure, John Key said he would wait until all...
    Labour | 16-04
  • New Zealand’s use of ozone depleting gases increases
    A new Government report highlights that the amount of ozone depleting gases New Zealand is using is increasing, the Green Party said today.The report tabled in Parliament yesterday shows that total use of ozone depleting gases in New Zealand has...
    Greens | 16-04
  • Manufacturing Upgrade
    Labour is determined to support and grow our manufacturing sector. These policies grew out of the findings of the 2013 Parliamentary Inquiry into Manufacturing.  ...
    Labour | 16-04
  • Collins must admit misleading Parliament
    ACC Minister Judith Collins must front up and admit she has misled Parliament over ACC’s policy to stop paying compensation to clients who refused to fill in its privacy form, Labour’s ACC spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. “Judith Collins claimed Labour...
    Labour | 16-04
  • English confirms he has no plan to raise wages
    Finance Minister Bill English has confirmed he has absolutely no plans to lift wages, Labour’s spokesperson on Labour Issues, Andrew Little says. “Bill English told the Chamber of Commerce yesterday that workers could expect a rise in average income of...
    Labour | 16-04
  • Govt careless and callous about threatened birds
    The National Government is increasing the threat to two of the world's most threatened and unique birds by opening up Victoria Forest Park to petroleum drilling, the Green Party said today.Scientists have recently published a ranking of the 100 most...
    Greens | 16-04
  • Genesis: The biggest fire sale of them all
    National has finished its asset sales with a massive bonfire of a fire sale, showing once and for all how much of a disaster this programme was, says Labour’s SOEs spokesperson Clayton Cosgrove. “Just 68,000 Kiwis bought shares in Genesis,...
    Labour | 16-04
  • Interest rates rise but only smokes increasing
    Mortgage rate rises are making life harder for homeowners, and many of them will be surprised the latest CPI figures show inflation would be zero were it not for tobacco tax hikes, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker. “New Zealanders...
    Labour | 16-04
  • Term One Report Card for Hekia Parata
    Assignment Teacher’s Comments Grade      ...
    Labour | 16-04
  • Hekia Parata kept exam book errors from schools
    Schools will be appalled to learn Education Minister Hekia Parata knew since January that hundreds of exam booklets had been returned to the wrong students but said nothing about it, Labour’s Education Spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Exams are stressful enough...
    Labour | 15-04
  • What has ACC Minister been doing?
    The ACC Minister needs to front up and explain what, if any, changes she has made to the broken culture of ACC rather than denying that she has any part to play in the dysfunction of her Ministry, the Green...
    Greens | 15-04
  • Promise of jam tomorrow takes the cake
    A claim by Minister of Finance Bill English that average wages will climb by $7,500 over the next four years is a cynical promise of jam tomorrow by a government whose record on wage growth is atrocious, Labour spokesperson on...
    Labour | 15-04
  • Judith Collins has to fess up on ACC blunder
    ACC Minster Judith Collins must front up and tell New Zealand how many people who refused to hand over their private details to ACC have been denied cover, says Labour’s ACC Spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway. “The legality of ACC’s privacy waver,...
    Labour | 15-04
  • Board of Inquiry conditions will save rivers in New Zealand
    The Ruataniwha dam decision released today has protected the Tukituki River and dashed the Government’s hope of the “one nutrient model” (TRIM) being adopted nationwide, says Labour’s Conservation spokesperson Ruth Dyson. “It is a massive victory for those in the...
    Labour | 15-04
  • Labour turns wheels for cycling safety
    With more than a million New Zealanders now using cycling as an attractive alternative means of transport it is past time their safety was taken seriously, Labour’s Transport spokesperson Darien Fenton says. Due to speak to a cycling rally at...
    Labour | 15-04
  • SPEECH: Institute of Directors
    LEADING AND MANAGING OUR ECONOMIC FUTURE David Cunliffe MP, Labour Leader Speech to the Institute of Directors 15 April 2014, Auckland It's a privilege to be speaking here. The Institute of Directors has a proud history of developing New Zealand's...
    Labour | 15-04
  • More Oravida endorsements from John Key
    The use of a picture of John Key in an advertisement for Oravida’s scampi products in a Chinese airline magazine is further evidence of an unhealthily cosy relationship between the National Party and this company, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says....
    Labour | 15-04
  • Workers at Canterbury Yarns need redundancy support
    Workers faced with redundancy at Canterbury Yarns need a redundancy support co-ordinator, Green Party industrial relations spokesperson Denise Roche said today.Last week, Canterbury Yarns was placed in receivership. Canterbury Yarns joins a long list of New Zealand manufacturers who have...
    Greens | 14-04
  • Making the holidays easier for Kiwi drivers
    The next Labour Government will make the holidays easier and journeys quicker for Kiwi families driving on the roads, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “There’s nothing Kiwis like more than getting on the road and going on holiday. But on...
    Labour | 14-04
  • Ae Marika! 15 April 2014
    Our MANA AGM down in Rotorua on the weekend was a sold-out affair – even the media were struggling to get in! Political conferences can be very dull, but not this one. We had a great line-up of speakers including...
    Mana | 14-04
  • Green light from Labour for cancer screening programme
    Labour Leader David Cunliffe has today committed to a national bowel screening programme, starting with extending the current service to the Southern and Waikato districts. “Around 3000 New Zealanders develop bowel cancer each year and about 1200, or 100 a month,...
    Labour | 14-04
  • Adequate resourcing needed for victims’ advocate
    The establishment of a victims’ commissioner role will only be meaningful if it is properly resourced to do the job of advocating for victims’ interests, Labour Justice spokesperson Andrew Little says. Justice Minister Judith Collins has just recently indicated her...
    Labour | 13-04
  • IPCC report shows Government ignoring climate experts
    The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) report into climate mitigation, just released in Berlin, shows the National Government is ignoring the pleas of the world's best climate scientists.The report says deep and fast emission cuts are vital from all...
    Greens | 13-04
  • Japan’s quick turnaround on whaling disappointing
    News that Japan plans to recommence some form of “scientific” whaling programme so quickly after the International Court of Justice’s ruling against it is very disappointing, says David Shearer, Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson. “New Zealanders expected the ICJ ruling -...
    Labour | 13-04
  • Reviewable tenancies will increase risks for vulnerable children
    Instead of kicking families out of their homes if they can pay their rent, parents with young children should have the opportunity to purchase equity in a state-built home over time, the Green Party said todayFrom July, Housing New Zealand...
    Greens | 13-04
  • 48,000 New Zealanders drinking faecally contaminated water
    Some 48,000 people were provided with water that had issues with faecal contamination, 18,000 of whom were from Canterbury, the Green Party said today. The Ministry of Health's Annual Report on Drinking-Water in New Zealand for 2012/13 shows that 48,000...
    Greens | 12-04
  • Labour will move to save the Kauri
    Labour will spend $20 million over the next 10 years to stop the spread of Kauri dieback disease, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “We are facing an ecological disaster with over 11 per cent of the Kauri trees in the...
    Labour | 12-04
  • SPEECH: Saving our Kauri
    Seech notes Good morning. Thank you for joining us here today. As a West Auckland MP I am very aware the kauri is an important part of this place. The Waitakere Ranges with their thousands of kauri, are a taonga....
    Labour | 12-04
  • MANA to continue negotiations with the Internet Party
    The MANA AGM has decided unanimously tonight to continue negotiaitions with the Internet Party. Within a month further negotiations, further consultation with MANA branches and a final decision on whether to proceed with a relationship is expected....
    Mana | 12-04
  • National’s tax dodge
      National’s insistence that it is cracking down on tax dodgers is little more than a bit of election year chest beating, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Revenue Minister Todd McClay surely doesn’t believe collecting $100 million of an estimated...
    Labour | 12-04
  • Housing prices go up – Gens X & Y give up
    Today’s REINZ report shows house prices continue skyward while first home buyers are dropping out of the market, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “According to the Real Estate Institute of New Zealand the national median house price has risen...
    Labour | 11-04
  • Do Key and Adams support Chorus appeal?
    John Key and Amy Adams must tell New Zealanders whether they support Chorus’ appeal of the High Court’s ruling in favour of the Commerce Commission, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “Chorus’ appeal is a waste of time. The company is...
    Labour | 11-04
  • Is Judith Collins unapologising
    Judith Collins appears to have retracted her apology for failing to disclose her meeting with her husband’s fellow company directors and a senior Chinese border control official just weeks after being ticked off by John Key for not doing so, Labour...
    Labour | 11-04
  • Media Advisory
    There have been a few minor changes to the MANA AGM agenda. Moana Jackson is unable to attend due to family commitments. Speaking in his place on Saturday morning MANA is pleased to welcome Georgina Beyer and Willie Jackson. MANA...
    Mana | 10-04
  • Green Party requests inquiry into Peter Dunne and Trust
    Green Party MP Denise Roche today wrote to the Parliamentary Registrar of Pecuniary Interests requesting an inquiry into whether Peter Dunne should have included his involvement as chair of the Northern Wellington Festival Trust on the Register of Pecuniary Interests...
    Greens | 10-04
  • Veterans short-changed
    The Veterans’ Support Bill reported back to Parliament today rejects a key recommendation of the Law Commission Review on which it is based and ignores the submissions of veterans and the RNZRSA, says Labour’s Veterans’ Affairs Spokesperson, Phil Goff. “A...
    Labour | 10-04
  • Tribute for Maungaharuru- Tangitu settlement
    Labour Member of Parliament for Ikaroa-Rāwhiti, Meka Whaitiri paid tribute to Maungaharuru-Tangitu today as their Treaty of Waitangi settlement became law. “The Bill acknowledges Treaty breaches that left Maungaharuru-Tangitu virtually landless. Today we were reminded of the history, mamae, loss...
    Labour | 10-04
  • Neglected rural and regional roads will cost more lives
    The government must take urgent action to prevent more accidents to truck drivers and other road users of increased logging trucks on neglected roads, says Darien Fenton, Labour’s Transport spokesperson. “The dangers to drivers and other road users in the...
    Labour | 10-04
  • Judith Collins’ refusal to answer a disgrace
    If John Key is holding his Ministers to any standards at all, he must make Judith Collins answer questions about the senior Chinese official she met during her taxpayer-funded visit to China last October, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “Judith...
    Labour | 10-04
  • Ryall needs to heed hospital workforce issues
    The public health workforce, the same one Tony Ryall argues is making a lot of progress is facing increased pressure and staff burnout through his continued shuffling of the deckchairs, Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette King says. “Mr Ryall uses all...
    Labour | 10-04
  • Our government: still no idea
    Happy Easter everyone, bad weather aside. A previous post of mine was called “The Government with no ideas”.  Unsurprisingly, the theme of the piece was of a current government thoroughly absent of any creative ideas or solutions to assist more...
    The Daily Blog | 18-04
  • 12 things Forbes has to say about NZs about to burst economic bubble
    Forbes is not known for their socialist or left wing activism, so when they predict a grim economic failure, we should should collectively poo ourselves a little. National often get given this perception that somehow they are better economic mangers....
    The Daily Blog | 18-04
  • That Sinking Feeling: Labour’s urgent need for persuasive words and coura...
    THE LATEST ROY MORGAN POLL has Labour on 28.5 percent (down 3.5 percent) and the Greens on 11.5 percent (down 1.5 percent). At 40 percent, the combined vote of the two main centre-left parties has fallen 5 percentage points since...
    The Daily Blog | 18-04
  • Why the Labour movement should support a Universal Basic Income
    The Mana movement’s support of the idea of a universal basic income is a welcome development. It could become one of the litmus issues that define the party and prove extremely popular. If Mana are in a position to do...
    The Daily Blog | 18-04
  • Legal high and cannabis regulation
    I marched through Henderson last month with my fellow Westies to express our concern about the impact of so called “legal highs” on our community. Some people chanted loudly calling for banning, some expressing anger at the parliamentarians who voted...
    The Daily Blog | 18-04
  • Know your Tory fellow travellers and ideologues: John Bishop, Taxpayers Uni...
    . . On 19 March, I reported on the Board members of the so-called “Taxpayers Union”. With one exception, every single member of the Taxpayers Union Board was a current (or recent) card-carrying member or supporter of the National and/or...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • GUEST BLOG: Daniel Bruce – Internet Party: What Seems Ridiculous To The O...
    Imagine you’re a 18-21 year old, from a working class family. You’ve never had a landline phone at home, because your parents can’t afford the fixed monthly bills, so everyone in your familiy has a pre-pay mobile phone. Because of the same tight...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Greens to push for housing standards in MOU with Government
    Source: Green Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Greens to push for housing standards in MOU with Government Tuesday, 28 Aug 2012 | Press Release We don’t need any more official reports. We know the problem and we have the plans....
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Mighty River squanders $3.8m preparing for sale
    Source: Green Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Mighty River squanders $3.8m preparing for sale Tuesday, 28 Aug 2012 | Press Release New Zealanders do not want asset sales and they do not want the Government wasting millions of dollars on...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Government’s economic agenda on shaky ground
    Source: Green Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Government’s economic agenda on shaky ground Monday, 27 Aug 2012 | Press Release Instead of betting on a boom and bust industry and selling off assets the government needs to invest in a...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • National’s tax cuts haven’t cut tax avoidance
    Source: Green Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: National’s tax cuts haven’t cut tax avoidance Sunday, 26 Aug 2012 | Press Release It is not fair that many rich New Zealanders are cheating on their tax. National’s 2010 tax cuts, that...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Waitangi Tribunal report adds to crisis in asset sales agenda
    Source: Green Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Waitangi Tribunal report adds to crisis in asset sales agenda Friday, 24 Aug 2012 | Press Release In its rush to sell our assets, National has found itself in a crisis of its...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Privacy across all departments needs checking
    Source: Green Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Privacy across all departments needs checking Friday, 24 Aug 2012 | Press Release “People don’t have a choice about giving their information to the state so the Government has an absolute duty to...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Reports show Government role in driving ACC dysfunction
    Source: Green Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Reports show Government role in driving ACC dysfunction Thursday, 23 Aug 2012 | Press Release Restoring public trust and confidence is an essential goal and will require very major change starting from the...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Government must front up on full costs of asset sales
    Source: Green Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Government must front up on full costs of asset sales Thursday, 23 Aug 2012 | Press Release It’s time for the Government to front up over just how much these asset sales are...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • New report: middle NZ worse off, inequality grows
    Source: Green Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: New report: middle NZ worse off, inequality grows Thursday, 23 Aug 2012 | Press Release Our society has never been as unequal as it is today. New research from the Ministry of Social...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Government to delay addressing climate change indefinitely
    Source: Green Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Government to delay addressing climate change indefinitely Thursday, 23 Aug 2012 | Press Release “It would be a shock for any other Government to introduce such a self-defeatist piece of legislation but unfortunately...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Time to deliver on 26 weeks Paid Parental Leave
    Source: Labour Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Time to deliver on 26 weeks Paid Parental Leave Today marks two years since Labour MP Sue Moroney’s Bill extending paid parental leave to 26 weeks was drawn from the members’ ballot. “It’s...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Taxpayers robbed of $130m in Genesis sale
    Source: Labour Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Taxpayers robbed of $130m in Genesis sale Kiwi taxpayers have been robbed of $130 million by the Government in its final failed asset sale, says Labour’s SOEs spokesperson Clayton Cosgrove. “National set the...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Service for victims of sexual violence pushed out in cold
    Source: Green Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Service for victims of sexual violence pushed out in cold Thursday, 17 Apr 2014 | Press Release Christchurch cannot afford to lose this agency The Green Party is calling on Housing New Zealand...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Resignation rates among cops soar
    Source: Labour Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Resignation rates among cops soar The number of frontline officers quitting the police force is at a four-year high, with more than 350 walking off the job in the past year, Labour’s Police...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Work visa problems need monitoring
    Source: Labour Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Work visa problems need monitoring The Government is handing out temporary work visas to migrants to work in jobs that could easily be filled by unemployed Kiwi workers in the Christchurch rebuild, says...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Legal high ban worthy of wider pick-up
    Source: Labour Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Legal high ban worthy of wider pick-up Auckland Council’s ban on using legal highs in a public place is an excellent idea that should be replicated around New Zealand, says Labour’s Associate Health...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Smith sells state P-houses to first home buyers
    Source: Labour Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Smith sells state P-houses to first home buyers Nick Smith must reassure worried first home buyers that any Housing NZ houses sold under his First Home policy will be tested for P contamination...
    The Daily Blog | 17-04
  • Brazil: Human rights under threat ahead of the World Cup
    Source: Amnesty International NZ – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Brazil: Human rights under threat ahead of the World Cup     Protests in Brazil:Brazil Franciscan friar kneels in front of Brazilian riot police officers asking for calm during confrontation with Landless...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • Brazil: Human rights under threat ahead of the World Cup
    Source: Amnesty International NZ – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Brazil: Human rights under threat ahead of the World Cup     Protests in Brazil:Brazil Franciscan friar kneels in front of Brazilian riot police officers asking for calm during confrontation with Landless...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • Libya: Trial of former al-Gaddafi officials by video link a farce
    Source: Amnesty International NZ – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Libya: Trial of former al-Gaddafi officials by video link a farce     Saif al-Islam al-Gaddafi will face the courts on 14 April. © IMED LAMLOUM/AFP/Getty Images         Read...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • Libya: Trial of former al-Gaddafi officials by video link a farce
    Source: Amnesty International NZ – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Libya: Trial of former al-Gaddafi officials by video link a farce     Saif al-Islam al-Gaddafi will face the courts on 14 April. © IMED LAMLOUM/AFP/Getty Images         Read...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • Algeria: Pre-election clampdown exposes ‘gaping holes’ in human rights ...
    Source: Amnesty International NZ – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Algeria: Pre-election clampdown exposes ‘gaping holes’ in human rights record     Freedom of expression, association and assembly are under threat ahead of elections in Algeria. © FAROUK BATICHE/AFP/Getty Images    ...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • Algeria: Pre-election clampdown exposes ‘gaping holes’ in human rights ...
    Source: Amnesty International NZ – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Algeria: Pre-election clampdown exposes ‘gaping holes’ in human rights record     Freedom of expression, association and assembly are under threat ahead of elections in Algeria. © FAROUK BATICHE/AFP/Getty Images    ...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • Viet Nam: Prisoners of conscience released but dozens remain jailed
    Source: Amnesty International NZ – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Viet Nam: Prisoners of conscience released but dozens remain jailed     Vietnamese activist Nguyen Tien Trung was one of the prisoners of conscience released this week. © Private      ...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • Viet Nam: Prisoners of conscience released but dozens remain jailed
    Source: Amnesty International NZ – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Viet Nam: Prisoners of conscience released but dozens remain jailed     Vietnamese activist Nguyen Tien Trung was one of the prisoners of conscience released this week. © Private      ...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • PM’s China visit assisted Oravida, not Fonterra
    Source: Labour Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: PM’s China visit assisted Oravida, not Fonterra Questions must now be asked whether it was Fonterra or Oravida who really benefited from the Prime Minister’s recent visit to China, Labour’s Primary Industries spokesperson...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • New Zealand’s use of ozone depleting gases increases
    Source: Green Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: New Zealand’s use of ozone depleting gases increases A new Government report highlights that the amount of ozone depleting gases New Zealand is using is increasing, the Green Party said today. The report...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • The issues behind the possible MANA-Internet Party Alliance
      Last weekend Kim Dotcom spoke at MANAs AGM to discuss the possibility of the Internet Party and MANA Party working together to defeat John Key this election. As someone who knows both Hone and Kim, I have a unique...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • Manufacturing Upgrade
    Source: Labour Party – Press Release/Statement: Headline: Manufacturing Upgrade   Labour is determined to support and grow our manufacturing sector. These policies grew out of the findings of the 2013 Parliamentary Inquiry into Manufacturing.   – The claims and opinions...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • Get work on 29th and the ANZAC spirit deserts the TPPA
      Groser and co would have been spitting tacks last week as the ANZAC spirit deserted the TPPA negotiations. Australia has done a deal directly with Japan which undercuts the demand for Japan to opening all agriculture in the TPPA....
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • No fracking solution to climate change
    Some British tabloids and oil lobbyists have jumped on comments made by an Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change author that fracking could play a role in addressing climate change as an argument for it here in Aotearoa, so is fracking...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • At Last: A Manufacturing Policy
    Source: First Union – Press Release/Statement: Headline: At Last: A Manufacturing Policy Date of Release:  Thursday, April 17, 2014 Body:  FIRST Union congratulates Labour on the release of its Manufacturing policy today. The union represents workers in the wood, food and...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • Drone murder of New Zealander “justified” by Prime Minister
    Yesterday Prime Minister John Key justified the extrajudicial killing of a New Zealander in a US drone strike in Yemen with a few cynical, callous words at a stand-up press conference. Key said he’d been briefed by our spy agencies...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • Secret Policeman’s Ball
      Amnesty International’s Secret Policeman’s Ball is back in New Zealand for one night of some of the best stand-up comedy from both national and international comics The freedom to provoke and in some cases offend is essential to the...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • So the US has assassinated a NZ citizen – what did Key know?
    A non judicial assassination by the US on a NZ citizen raises questions. Key made the idea that NZers were training with terrorists part of his farcical defence for the GCSB mass surveillance legislation. I say farcical because even if...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • Something Better Than Something Worse: Why John Key could become our longes...
    IN HIS MEMORABLE holiday-home encounter with the host of Campbell Live, the Prime Minister, John Key, did not rule out running for a fourth term. Were he to be successful, the long-standing record of Sir Keith Holyoake (11 years and 2...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • GUEST BLOG: RIO TINTO WINS 2013 ROGER AWARD
      Sky City Casino Second, Chorus Third  The seven finalists for the 2013 Roger Award for the Worst Transnational Corporation Operating in Aotearoa/New Zealand were: ANZ, Chorus, IAG Insurance Group, Imperial Tobacco, Rio Tinto, Sky City Casino and Talent 2. The criteria for judging are...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • National drowning in an ocean of poisoned milk
    It is becoming difficult to keep up with which National Party MP is bleeding the most at the moment. Simon Bridges is being crucified by Whaleoil almost as much as Greenpeace are attacking him, suggesting Cam is seizing the moment...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • Want to get rid of synthetic cannabis? Legalize real cannabis
    Have we managed to appreciate the madness that synthetic cannabis is legal yet more harmful than organic cannabis which is illegal? I find the current moral panic over synthetic cannabis difficult to become concerned with when alcohol is FAR more...
    The Daily Blog | 16-04
  • Save our homes – stop the evictions!
    “We will keep on fighting because it frightens me to think my grandchildren could become homeless,” Tere Campbell told me. Tere is a member of Tamaki Housing Group. In September 2011, tenants in 156 state homes in Glen Innes received...
    The Daily Blog | 15-04
  • The daily humiliation of women and the constant policing and shaming of our...
    The last few months have been particularly bad for the shaming and policing of women’s bodies in the media, both in New Zealand and globally. First we had NZ Newstalk ZB presenter Rachel Smalley referring to women weighing over 70kgs...
    The Daily Blog | 15-04
  • A case study of racism by Police at Auckland Airport
    A couple of days ago I returned from Samoa after attending a family matter and some contract work. Spending a few days in the warmth of our homeland was welcome relief from the cold weather starting to make its presence...
    The Daily Blog | 15-04
  • An acute shortage of emergency youth housing
    The housing crisis is effecting everyone in Christchurch but some are more vulnerable than others. Recently I attended a workshop on emergency youth housing hosted by the 298 Youth Health Centre, who I worked for from 2001-2003. Over fifty people...
    The Daily Blog | 15-04
  • Global unions applaud NZ ‘slave ships’ progress
    Global unions the ITF (International Transport Workers' Federation) and IUF (International Union of Food, Agricultural and Hospitality Workers) today applauded the steps forward made in preventing often shocking abuse of crews on fishing vessels in New Zealand...
    Scoop politics | 17-04
  • Families before commerce at Easter
    Families before commerce at Easter The retail workers’ union has hit back at critics of New Zealand's modest Easter trading restrictions. "Some things are more important than going to the mall, and for just three and a half days each...
    Scoop politics | 17-04
  • Easter trading laws archaic, in need of overhaul
    Press release: ACT New Zealand Easter trading laws are outdated and in need of a major overhaul, said ACT leader Jamie Whyte today....
    Scoop politics | 17-04
  • ALCP welcomes Campbell Live poll result
    The Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party welcomes last night's Campbell Live poll, saying it is an overdue reality check for public opinion on personal cannabis use....
    Scoop politics | 17-04
  • Q+A This Week 20/4/14
    Q+A This Week SUNDAY 20 APRIL, 9AM ON TV ONE The latest on the US-NZ relationship from the US military’s top man in the Pacific, Admiral Samuel J. Locklear . Deputy Political Editor Michael Parkin asks him whether we’re allies,...
    Scoop politics | 17-04
  • Community detention for pokie theft
    A 67-year-old former company director, convicted of stealing pokie machine profits, was today sentenced to six months community detention, 160 hours of community work and ordered to make reparation of $6,000....
    Scoop politics | 17-04
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    Scoop politics | 16-04
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    Scoop politics | 16-04
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    Scoop politics | 16-04
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    Scoop politics | 16-04
  • Labour and National join forces in new Maori confiscations
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    Scoop politics | 16-04
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    Scoop politics | 16-04
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    Scoop politics | 16-04
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    Scoop politics | 16-04
  • ACC’s Strategy to stop compensation using ACC 167 Form
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    Scoop politics | 16-04
  • Workers support plain packaging of tobacco
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    Scoop politics | 16-04
  • Christchurch Housing Accord a Joke
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    Scoop politics | 16-04
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    Scoop politics | 16-04
  • UNICEF NZ Urges Progress on Plain Packaging of Tobacco
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    Scoop politics | 16-04
  • Whitebait partners look for solutions
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    Scoop politics | 16-04
  • NZ’s biggest killer fails to receive the Roger
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