Written By: - Date published: 3:19 pm, November 4th, 2008 - 121 comments
Categories: activism, election 2008, national -
Tags: national's secret agenda
The Herald campaign updates reports that Clark has just had a private interview with TV3, appearently getting her response to the latest secret agenda tape. Guess that means it will be on TV3 tonight.
According to the Herald, a reporter at the conference asked the PM if she thinks the public is sick of having National’s secret agenda revealed by these tapes. Clark, reasonably enough, responded “I have no idea but obviously it is attracting your interest.”
[update: I didn't get it word for word but the tape was of Bill English saying he was worried about Obama, didn't like his moralistic apporach to foreign relations, thought the war in Iraq was a good idea. Said Bush should have put a different window dressing on it but you have to have someone who's ready to pull the trigger. I'll do some analysis later if none of the others have, it's beer o'clock]
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The basic FNC screed then.
“Spread the wealth around”. Scary stuff. ooga booga. His plan is less redistributionist than National’s so God has let you down on this one. It takes tax rates back to where Clinton had them basically. Hardly socialism, despite the learned opinions of ‘Joe the plumber’, ‘Tito the builder’ or ‘Sarah the nutjob’. Anyone who buys it is either dishonest, or doesn’t know much about the history of taxes in America, let alone ‘socialism’.
“His plan to bankrupt the coal industry in the US.” You mean a cap and trade system that would incentivise the use of so called ‘clean coal’? Read the whole speech that the GOP has been taking soundbites out of. FTR McCain also has these policies, but chooses to lie about Obama’s policy, because well, he’s like that. Again, our National party claims to share this basic approach so God has still not spared us.
“His liberal views on social issues” Without more specifics I’m not sure what you mean, but National party policy is probably to his ‘left’. God isn’t helping us out much.
“His complete lack of inexperience” (teehee) Obama has run a campaign that dwarfs our GDP, and that I think you have to admit, done so in a way that is completely professional. This argument is what you run when you don’t have anything else.
“His lack of credible bipartisanship” Nonsense. One of his first acts in the US senate was to co sponsor a ‘loose nukes’ bill with a GOP senator. In his State senate days he was always reaching across the aisle, as loca; GOP chaps are happy to talk about. Have you read about his bill on videotaping confessions in capital crime cases? Textbook bipartisanship. Also note how many senior GOP figures have endorsed him.
I think that Obama had 12 years as a Senator.
John Key has had 6 years in Opposition and opposed most initiatives.
If he wins he will do what under the guise of Economic necessity?
sweetd
“In truth, are these the best 2 candidates that the USA can offer? God help us. I would not vote for either.”
I rate them both a lot higher than the two previous presidents and am quite hopeful that either of them will make a good job of the presidency and clean out the last remnants of bush and clinton from the collective memory.
Felix,
lets see, WW2
Palin is too scary for words.
Obama may be inexperienced but he has the intelligence to surround himself with outstanding talent.. Buffett, Corzine, Axlerod etc.
The real challenge for the USA is how to convert to alternative energy. To quote Obama.. they have 3% of the world’s oil reserves yet consume 25% of the world’s crude. Nuclear is not the cheap option that everyone says it is due to the cost of construction and waste storage. Palin’s “drill baby drill” mantra only puts off the inevitable and reinforces dependency.
[lprent: Just looking at your comments in the past. They're pretty pathetic micro lines that seem to be said for simply saying them. Figure out how to lift your standard because I don't intend this place to drop to KB's standards]
Feck – just quietly isn’t it nice to be chatting about the US race and not the NZ election which has descended into absurdity.
I’d drill Palin, she’d be a wildcat.
[lprent: This place is starting to look like the sewer at KB. Lift your standards or I'll start giving people holidays from here. It is pretty evident who isn't doing any constructive work for the election.]
HS – absurdity? let me think – Joe the Plumber.
Rudd, Key and Obama. Time to restart Anzus. It would be nice to have some US jets parked at Whenuapai.
I will never forgive Helen for scrapping the F16 deal.
hey the not so secret aganda is get hooton out of the way for the endgame.
He is just too horrible for the masses
turn the nat vote off in droves
bring him back to face the music you cowards!
Rudd, Key and Obama – Who’s the odd one out? Intelligent, articulate, experenced, to the left of the incumbents they have/will beat, opposed the Iraq war…
Pat…tough titty
what are ya
some sort of piker
I wanted an aircraft carrier and three squadrons of F14 hornets and two squadrons of F18 tomcats
pound for pound the RNZAF is the best airforce in the world so take your new zealand sux crap somewhere else please
[lprent: This place is starting to look like the sewer at KB. Lift your standards or I'll start giving people holidays from here. It is pretty evident who isn't doing any constructive work for the election.]
” I forgot that working at a university… is the best possible breeding for politics. I withdraw and apologise.”
After the last 8 years I think that someone who has taught constitutional law at a top university will be just what is needed. His students speak very highly of him. But never mind reality eh scribe, just cut to the anti-intellectual chase.
“John
Palin is too scary for words.”
What about that lady in the 3 news clip screaming “Germany wanted change and they got Hitler!!!” that was my laughs for the night, but there’s something about Palin, it;s like she just doesn’t get it or something.
“I will never forgive Helen for scrapping the F16 deal.”
Yeah, we really could have used them when…
There’s no way I’ll get an honest answer here, but do you folk on the right really, honestly think that the right are running a shiny clean campaign, and Labour are dirty liars?
Two instances pop into my mind – Key talking about the Waikato expresway – he said he’d build it for $790(ish) mil, but a tunnel will apparently be built with magic and not money (not costed), and three requred interchanges aren’t part of that costing, so no one will be able to use it. Real cost – over $1.4 bn, min.
600 ‘new’ police – only a couple of hundred over and above what Labour has costed and budgeted for, and then Key lied about whether they were on the front line. He also gave a cost for them below their starting salary, so the numbers only worked if you discount what Labour’s already budgeted.
Those are dirty tricks – steal headlines with knowingly false figures, distortions and lies. Move on to the next one before anyone calls you on it. There are many more examples – the SPARC website, pretending all our benefit recipints have been shifted to sickness…
Yet you lot on the right – what really matters to you is whether Clark was in a fast car, or signed a painting for charity, or whether Willims was in Australia because he suspected Key was up to the gunwhales in the H-fee?
Those are your issues? Why pretend you’re into polictics? I’m sure the goss from womens’ magazines must be much more fascination, it seems to be more like what engages you.
The typical response to this is that you can’t trust Clark because of those ‘lies’ – I’d rather someone ‘lied’ to me so I got a painting for charity, instead of lied to me, overpromising and under delivering, and showing that they have spent no time whatsoever looking into useful policy.
sweetd: “lets see, WW2″
That’s what I thought.
Do you really think English was talking about WW2?