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Another Peters brain fart

Written By: - Date published: 8:02 am, May 25th, 2013 - 254 comments
Categories: im/migration, racism, scoundrels, winston peters - Tags: ,

Winston Peters is up to his old tricks again:

Peters: Immigrants, brothels and sin city

NZ First leader Winston Peters has launched an attack on immigration policy and questioned whether Auckland is becoming “the supercity of sin”, linking crime and other problems to immigration from China.

In the speech to a North Shore Grey Power meeting he denied his party was anti-immigrant, saying it was not against bringing in people with skills lacking in New Zealand. And he pointed to comments by the new premier of China that the biggest challenge facing China was the level of corruption. “It stands to reason that corruption can be exported and imported,” Peters said.

He said the Government was talking of a million more people in Auckland soon “and there is no prize for guessing where most will come from”. … He said when the rich tourists had finished at the blackjack tables or the poker machines at SkyCity casino there was another attraction nearby.

“The Hong Kong born Chow brothers are thoughtfully providing a 15-storey brothel, in what used to be an historic building, just across the road from the casino in the heart of Auckland,” Peters said.

“And thanks to our generous student and worker visa schemes the Chow brothers will be able to provide genuine home-grown sex workers for the visitors if that’s what they want.” …

The seven deadly sins were alive and well in Auckland and the city was being trashed economically, socially, physically and ethically, he said.

Peters has a long history of trotting out this sort of racism, and the sad fact of it is that it probably does his vote no harm at all. Speaking (as he always does) for the Tories, Guyon Espiner tweeted: “How do all the liberals in the Greens and Labour feel about working with Winston Peters and his facile, juvenile, anti-China hysteria?”.

I dunno Guyon, how do all the conservatives in National and ACT feel about working with Winston Peters and his facile, juvenile, anti-China hysteria?

My guess is that neither side feels any good about the prospect, and that neither side would turn away from it if it was the only way to form a government. Heaven help us all if Winston Peters holds the balance of power in 2014.

254 comments on “Another Peters brain fart”

  1. Shona 1

    Peters criticisms of central Auckland aren’t inaccurate even if they are couched in old style moderately bigoted rhetoric. Such is his style , generation and constituency. Central Auckland is dirty, sleazy decrepit, run -down , unloved and full of legal and illegal migrants. Our immigration policies are a disaster and need scrutiny NOW!.Sky city is vile! The Chow brothers are pimps. Gambling and earning an income off women’s genitalia are not the types of business we need in our largest city’s window to the world. So good on Winston for raising the issues.
    When our children were young and we visited sin-city during school holidays we always told our offspring that the Skycity tower was the funnel that sucked the money out of the country!

  2. KJT 2

    Peters is only wrong in the anti-Chinese part.

    The huge wave of English immigrants in the 50’s and 60’s, who brought their dysfunctional adversarial industrial relations system and class system here, adversely affected New Zealand society and social cohesiveness, also.

    Personally I prefer Chinese. Their cuisine and their work ethic is much better.

    Past time that New Zealanders were actually asked if they wanted a second wave of colonialism.

    It is bad enough that we are economically colonised by the UK, the USA, Australia, and soon, China.

    Immigration policy is deliberately used to keep wages low and speculative prices high.

    Time we put a stop to immigration allowing employers to avoid paying for training and avoid paying competitive wages. And driving prices beyound New Zealander’s reach.

    No one asked us if we wanted all these immigrants.

    Peters is articulating an unease, many New Zealanders feel.

  3. Matthew Hooton 3

    To answer your question to the Guyon in your second-to-last par, polling I have seen suggests about two-thirds of those planning to vote National in 2014 would consider not voting or voting for someone else if they thought Key was going to do a deal with Peters. Of course, it wouldn’t be anything like two-thirds that actually didn’t vote or changed their vote, but even if it were only a percentage or two, then that would be significant in a close election.
    But I actually have a new theory, called “David Shearer’s Green-free Plan B” at http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/david-shearers-green-free-plan-b-ck-140617 It’s a theory that has Shearer dealing with Peters rather than the Greens. (BTW, I am in the any-government-is-better-than-one-with-Peters camp.)

    • vto 3.1

      mr hooton, how on earth are we supposed to untangle all of your conflicts and allegiances in order to find the truth in that?

      • David H 3.1.1

        More Hootens Horseshit!

        • KJT 3.1.1.1

          We have a Government of smarmy, lying, shonky, thieving used car salesmen, (though probably that is far to derogatory of used cars salesmen, I have met some honest ones), and Hooten thinks that Peters, IS WORSE!

      • paul andersen 3.1.2

        allegiances ,or allergies

    • Pascal's bookie 3.2

      Hi hooten.

      this is the internet, ‘polling I have seen'; dox or GTFU.

      cheers.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 3.3

      Was that the same poll that said Labour and National had taken a hit on marriage equality? That Roy Morgan didn’t notice?

      • Matthew Hooton 3.3.1

        According to track polls, National has recovered since then. But Labour hasn’t.

        • McFlock 3.3.1.1

          I’ll wait for the public ones to come out, thx.

          • Matthew Hooton 3.3.1.1.1

            Expect National up and Labour/Green down.

            • One Anonymous Knucklehead 3.3.1.1.1.1

              When are you going to stop telling lies for money?

              • Rhinocrates

                Is that a serious question? Hoots would find it incomprehensible because he simply cannot comprehend the fundamental concept of “truth”. Money, on the other hand…

                And Hoots, you aversion to Peters must be based on the ghost of a shadow of the outline of a remnant of a pretence to having a vague intimation of a memory of a conscience. You really must eradicate whatever infinitesimal trace remains if you are to be really good at your job. God knows your intellect won’t carry you through.

                Otherwise, if Key or Collins needs Peters to get the Treasury benches, you’ll have to pretend that you love Peters, greatly respect him, albeit begrudgingly, but with pragmatic realism, blah blah…

                I know you have the memory of a goldfish with Korsakov Syndrome, but you will look like a fool.

                Keep your options open old boy.

                But for God’s sake, don’t ever try to pretend that you have principles. That just makes us laugh.

            • McFlock 3.3.1.1.1.2

              lol. So much for your political predictions.

    • Tigger 3.4

      I have a theory that Matthew H is a Tory apologist douchebag. There is no link because the evidence is in the post above where he tries to tie Shearer to Peters’ racist statements.

      • paul andersen 3.4.1

        you are being unfair to douchbags, they are useful.

      • Matthew Hooton 3.4.2

        I do not link Shearer to Peters’ Friday speech at all. My NBR column was written on Wednesday night, sent at 8am Thursday and published in Friday’s paper, all before Peters gave his speech. You might be better addressing the content rather than making things up.

        • Pascal's bookie 3.4.2.1

          Rightio, justify the claim about the Greens being communists then.

        • Pascal's bookie 3.4.2.2

          Rightio, justify the claim about the Greens being communists then.

        • Murray Olsen 3.4.2.3

          Did you write Winnie’s speech too?

        • Rhinocrates 3.4.2.4

          Hooton trying to imply that someone else is a racist opportunist? Is that the pot saying that the carbonaceous chrondite has a low albedo?

          “As a general rule” Maori are “stupid” and “useless” Hoots says, and he’ll “stand by that”.

          Oh yeah, a great champion in the fight against racism is Hoots!

          • Matthew Hooton 3.4.2.4.1

            I am sure you know I have never said any such thing.

            • Rhinocrates 3.4.2.4.1.1

              You know perfectly well that you have explicitly linked the “uselessness” and “stupidity” of people with their race – specifically Maori race – on National radio. On this blog, you have said that is a “general rule” and you “stand by it”. You are a liar and a racist.

              • Matthew Hooton

                No, what I said was that the Maori Party and to a lesser extent the Mana Party had attracted the talented, dynamic Maori activists leaving the losers in Labour. That’s not tying anyone’s competence to their race but to their party affiliation. It was unfair to Louisa Wall but hardly racist.

                As for the Kahui comment below, it’s you who says it links Labour to Maori and crime. It doesn’t, it just says that the party of Phillip Field, Chris Carter and the EFA doing “ethical training” was as oxymoronic as Chris Kahui running a parenting course. And that’s true.

                BTW, you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with me. There are people you can talk to about that sort of disorder.

                • Rhinocrates

                  Dog whistle, followed by weasel words, Hoots.

                  Do you lie so much that you’ve forgotten what species you are?

                  Oh a mental health joke right after a racial joke. Charming. Just the sort of slime I’d expect of course.

                  I think that racists an liars are a social poison and must be challenged at every point, especially when they try to repeat and justify their lies.

                  Ever hear of Martin Niemöller?

            • Rhinocrates 3.4.2.4.1.2

              …. and then there’s this, comedian:

              “Ethical counselling from the Labour Party is like a parenting course from the Kahui family”

              http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2006/07/quote_of_the_week_2.html

              The Penguin loved that dog whistle, linking Maori, criminality and Labour in one go.

        • Rhinocrates 3.4.2.5

          might be better addressing the content rather than making things up

          Oh yeah, ’cause you never, ever, cross my heart and hope to die do that, do you Hoots?

          Are you offended?

      • Rhinocrates 3.4.3

        It’s not a theory. Even Whalecum feels justified in calling Hoots a “corporate whore.” I’d say that for once he’s right, but that would be seriously denigrating to sex workers.

    • r0b 3.5

      I have seen suggests about two-thirds of those planning to vote National in 2014 would consider not voting or voting for someone else if they thought Key was going to do a deal with Peters.

      Interesting and difficult question to phrase for a poll.

      Of course, it wouldn’t be anything like two-thirds that actually didn’t vote or changed their vote, but even if it were only a percentage or two,

      Don’t worry, there would probably be a similar percentage of Labour voters doing the same, and it will all balance out in the wash.

    • ghostrider888 3.6

      Peters cannot even string coherent sentences together without inserting unsuitable, disproportionate words.

      • Matthew Hooton 3.7.1

        Yes, especially after the big shift in support to National since the Budget, but it is extremely close, and I wouldn’t rule out Labour/NZ First either as I point out in the NBR article.

    • Olwyn 3.8

      Matthew, when I read other people on this blog, I am usually confident that I am looking at what that person thinks. When I read you, I suspect I am looking at whatever you are currently running up the flag pole. Which is this case looks to be something like a grand coalition between National and Labour, made in the name of keeping the riff-raff out, or at least a political scenario that might just as well be one. Who are these “wise heads” in Labour that are so concerned about the loony excesses of the Greens? And if they are on the same page as you with regard to such matters what are they doing in the Labour Party in the first place?

  4. vto 4

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

    This is so not a surprise in our land festooned with racism. What on earth do people expect? Our islands are riddled with racist people and policies all over and all through the land.

    It includes all parts of the political spectrum.

    It is the most goon-headed subject of all. There is no clarity, there is no consistency, there is only subjective and selfish evaluation and consideration.

    It is all fucked up.

  5. muzza 5

    The obvious facts are, that Central Auckland is being turned into a gambling whoring center, while the mayor is trying to hype *Worlds Most Livable City*, it just does not add up! – Note, the mayor has no actual influence to prevent what is going on, even if he cared to!

    One of the longest standing police units in AKL, is the Asian Crime Unit, its been in action for decades. As someone who has direct links into Auckland’s Asian communities, I can tell you first hand that its very much a mixed bag, not unlike any other community, you get all types, but with a heavy overhang of very smart, very connected organized *interests*, and they’re into everything, not unlike other groups.

    I can also tell you that the vast majority of the Asian communities, do not see themselves as NZ’ers, and have little interest in functioning outside their own groups, again not entirely unlike any other immigrants.

    The fascinating thing which is common among the various nationalities of Asians I’m involved with, is a universal dislike for the Chinese, many of the Asian groups I interact with, simply have a weary attitude towards them, right or wrong, that is the sentiment, and its not new, or happened since they came to NZ!

    A theme which repeats when I ask around, revolves around the the Chinese having little to no respect for the environment, their host, or even their fellow Chinese, and the word *dirty* is commonly used when referring to Chinese (again , these are Asians talking about other Asians) . Chinese, it seems genuinely do not give a toss, for anything other than themselves, and money, again, not too dissimilar to other sectors of what passes for, society!

    The door has been opened, our immigration policies deliberately set to ensure that NZ is unable to maintain any identity, which is a long standing issue in any case, what with colonization by the English etc in any case. Multi culturalism, brings many wonderful aspects into cities etc, but it also brings problems, and these appear to be conveniently left out of most discussions, while people debate *where the comments racist or not*, and other such juvenile angles!

    Auckland is already a borderline shithole in many respects, its destined to become much worse, it very easy to see the direction, because its not changed in almost 3 decades, which became even more clear after of a decade of living abroad, returning to AKL to notice the decline, mostly through the lack of any obvious improvement! With the

    Winston is right, he has always been right, whether altruistically, or as a protagonist, his comments stand, he should however, target a wider audience, instead of targeting a singly nationality!

    • weka 5.1

      My interactions with Chinese immigrants has been through learning tai chi etc, and my experiences have been overwhelmingly positive. Maybe it’s not the Chinese that are the problem, but the immigration criteria ie we’re allowing the wrong kind of immigration. This is probably true of much of our immigration policy, but it would be interesting to see a break down of the different kinds of visas people from various countries are getting, and how many nationalities getting residency are getting it via which immigration policy.

      On my more cynical days I do tend to agree that immigration policy is designed to undermine identity (or at the least is a desirable side effect from the policy designers). The idea that any and all immigration is good (esp where that is a reaction against people like Peters) completely denies the reality of the complexity of culture and ethnicity, what happens when you mix them, and NZ’s particular issues around that (esp our relative geographical isolation, and the fact that we still haven’t got to grips with the Treaty of Waitangi yet).

      • KJT 5.1.1

        Agree

        Too much immigration is allowed because shonky employers are allowed to go bleating to the immigration department, whenever their lack of training programs, refusal to pay competitive wages and trying to screw their staff instead of working on a more efficient business, begins to bite.

        I suspect the reason why the usual suspects are so keen on more immigration, is that it keeps the prices of their speculative assets rising.

        If I wanted to live in a city of high rise slums, millions of impoverished, underpaid people, few amenities and dodgy infrastructure, there a plenty I can move to.

        Don’t need to turn Auckland into a copy.

      • One Anonymous Knucklehead 5.1.2

        Maybe it’s neither the immigrants nor the immigration criteria. Maybe the racists are the problem.

        If Auckland is a worse place look to Roger Douglas, not the yellow peril.

        • r0b 5.1.2.1

          If Auckland is a worse place look to Roger Douglas, not the yellow peril.

          Exactly.

          • KJT 5.1.2.1.1

            Agreed on Roger Douglas, but our present immigration policies, which are designed to benefit the same people as most of Douglas’ policies, are part of the Douglas legacy also.

            Do you think the Chinese are racist investing in their own country and people, refusing to let foreigners own land and restricting immigration?

            Their Government is looking after their own people, as they should. It is a pity our Government looks first at whatever gains more wealth for their party funders.

            As far as immigration goes I would rather we used our immigration policy to be a decent world citizen, and rescue some more refugees from concentration camps, instead of selling citizenship to the highest bidder.

            • r0b 5.1.2.1.1.1

              Do you think the Chinese are racist investing in their own country and people, refusing to let foreigners own land and restricting immigration?

              No, not if they are not selecting / picking on any particular racial group.

              It is a pity our Government looks first at whatever gains more wealth for their party funders.

              Yes.

          • ghostrider888 5.1.2.1.2

            yes, and yes, to r0b.

    • ghostrider888 5.2

      Paras, 1, 2, some of 3, 6 and 7, imo, muzza.

  6. Jane 6

    Why is there such a drive to increase the population? Always wondered why Auckland’s population is expected to increase by a million by 20 whatever… seems a ok sort of place now why pile more people in?

    • KJT 6.1

      Because immigration and population increase make developers, rentiers and speculators, NACT voters, rich!

      • Colonial Viper 6.1.1

        Also increasing population is one of the strongest and most reliable drivers of economic growth (of which the property side of things you mention is one aspect).

        The converse relationship is that stagnant or falling populations will tend to reinforce and worsen stagnant or declining economies.

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 6.1.1.1

          increasing population is one of the strongest and most reliable drivers of economic growth

          So, given appropriate employment laws, immigration should have no effect on wage rates?

          • Colonial Viper 6.1.1.1.1

            I prefer a combination of tight labour pool and strong employment laws. If the excess labour pool grows too large with too many people willing to work (and employ) for less than minimum wage, you get the California sitiuation.

            • One Anonymous Knucklehead 6.1.1.1.1.1

              Yeah, we should take care not to develop a land border with Mexico.

          • Draco T Bastard 6.1.1.1.2

            That would be true if everything balanced perfectly. Unfortunately, it doesn’t and other factors such as productivity increases also need to be taken into account.

          • ghostrider888 6.1.1.1.3

            what “appropriate employment laws”? ;)

            • One Anonymous Knucklehead 6.1.1.1.3.1

              For this country over the last thirty years, what Chomsky said about Capitalism: “Show me some!”

        • Draco T Bastard 6.1.1.2

          Also increasing population is one of the strongest and most reliable drivers of economic growth

          Actually, it’s the only driver of economic growth. If population stayed the same then all those productivity increases that we’ve seen would have caused huge deflation and unemployment. In fact, if we didn’t export so much (an effective artificial increase in population) we’d be looking at much worse unemployment now.

          • KJT 6.1.1.2.1

            Which is why we need to change our economic paradigm.

            To one that works without constant growth, constant increase in resource use, and constant need for people to find ever more creative ways of ripping off their fellow human beings.

            A workable steady state economy.

            Which means one that does not depend on population growth.

            The fact is we can now produce all that we need and a fair proportion of things we do not without full employment.

            Which makes the push for a later retirement age and the opposition to a guaranteed income, by those who should know better, even more baffling.

            Don’t see why reducing trade necessarily results in less employment however. Our two way trade in real goods and services is slightly in surplus. meaning it is just about neutral. less imports would mean substituting many jobs offshore with jobs in NZ.

            • Draco T Bastard 6.1.1.2.1.1

              less imports would mean substituting many jobs offshore with jobs in NZ.

              But not necessarily the same amount of jobs. Considering that a lot of what we export is labour intensive compared to what we import I suspect that the substitution would result in less jobs.

              • KJT

                I don’t think that is necessarily true..

                It seems to me that it is the more Labour intensive! jobs are the ones that are now done by cheap Labour in China and Bangladesh.

                • Colonial Viper

                  That’s right, there’s no point outsourcing non-labour intensive jobs to a country with cheap workers.

                  The issue however is with automation and mechanisation – fewer and fewer workers are needed to make the same amount of product these days. Even Foxconn is replacing Chinese iPad assembly line workers with robots.

                  Here’s a simple reality: we need an economy which has a focus on giving people worthwhile roles in society and not on creating profit.

  7. Observer Tokoroa 7

    ANTHONY ROBINS

    It pleases you very deeply that foreigners come to New Zealand and put up buildings. Unlike the man you despise Winston Peters, you have no intention of giving stock standard real work to Kiwis. In your case, you want Asians to do it. Okay.

    However, it is not racist for others to want New Zealanders to do it. I wonder who has brain washed you into thinking it is?

    There are many relatively simple tasks that Aucklanders already hand over to foreigners. Parking is one of them. Squillions of easy dollars flip home across the water to Asia, just from parking.

    Auckland Bankers are foreigners too. Billions of Kiwi dollars are sent to Australian owners every year simply because the business of banking is thought to be beyond Kiwis.

    Even the grocery business – has been shovelled off. Auckland is STUNNING at handing off sources of wealth to foreigners Anthony.

    The current government is in the serious business of selling off land to nationalities which refuse to sell their own land to any outsider. China prominent among them.. You must be very happy with this NZ policy. It is your right to be happy. But the big majority of New Zealanders think your policy stinks. They find it revolting to be honest. Nasty like your headline language.

    Mr Peters does too.

    You dislike him because he is a politician who wants the chance to put New Zealanders first. It is an idea that will be new to you. It will be a shock to you. I am sorry if your Hong Kong friends miss out on building your brothel. It is just that Kiwis need the work. And Kiwis actually live here and have their families here.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 7.1

      Most recent studies of racism link it to low intelligence, and point out that many of its victims lack the cognitive ability to recognise their own failings.

      In these circumstances it is likely that emotional appeals will have more resonance, and therefore be more effective, than rational arguments.

      • KJT 7.1.1

        Most recent studies of Neo- liberalism link it to low intelligence, and point out that many of its proponents lack the cognitive ability to recognise its failings.

        Fixed it for you.

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 7.1.1.1

          Yeah, nah.

          Despite their important implications for interpersonal behaviors and relations, cognitive abilities have been largely ignored as explanations of prejudice. We proposed and tested mediation models in which lower cognitive ability predicts greater prejudice, an effect mediated through the endorsement of right-wing ideologies (social conservatism, right-wing authoritarianism) and low levels of contact with out-groups. In an analysis of two large-scale, nationally representative United Kingdom data sets (N = 15,874), we found that lower general intelligence (g) in childhood predicts greater racism in adulthood, and this effect was largely mediated via conservative ideology. A secondary analysis of a U.S. data set confirmed a predictive effect of poor abstract-reasoning skills on antihomosexual prejudice, a relation partially mediated by both authoritarianism and low levels of intergroup contact. All analyses controlled for education and socioeconomic status. Our results suggest that cognitive abilities play a critical, albeit underappreciated, role in prejudice. Consequently, we recommend a heightened focus on cognitive ability in research on prejudice and a better integration of cognitive ability into prejudice models.

          • Colonial Viper 7.1.1.1.1

            Yeah that may hold true, however it is interesting to note that those found guilty and executed/imprisoned at the Nuremberg trials were all found to have above average IQ, sometimes significantly above average.

            • One Anonymous Knucklehead 7.1.1.1.1.1

              That doesn’t mean some racists are intelligent, it means the Milgram experiment has supporting material.

            • Draco T Bastard 7.1.1.1.1.2

              Psychopaths often have a higher than normal IQ.

      • ghostrider888 7.1.2

        Love ya work OAK, that FIFT!

    • prism 7.2

      Observer Tokoroa
      You have been observing haven’t you. And it’s a bit of a jigsaw. And you have put multi positioned pieces in the wrong places. So you will never get the real picture of what is going on and why and how we can make as a nation enough money to pay out your, and my, and all the other pensions.

      We feel just as concerned as you are. But there aren’t easy answers, and when Winston states things firmly in his unique way, he is interesting to listen to but cannot provide any solutions. Not without causing more problems. We have to live in the world as it is, not just what would suit us.
      You no doubt have heard that Stockholm has had riots of young unemployed men from the poorer areas of the city.

      This is reality today, our economy hollowed out by our own government opening our borders and giving away all our valuable policies such as tariff protections that enabled us to function well. Can you think how we can protect against this happening again with TPP? Have you written to John Key to tell him of your concerns about everything being owned by overseas landlords and large corporates sucking profit overseas, often to Australia. Because he and the Roger Douglas battalion have been active in this dismantling of our country’s enterprise and resources.

      • Observer Tokoroa 7.2.1

        Prism

        I do not think we are talking complex things.

        We are discussing whether people who have New Zealand nationality and good education, have the right to work in their own land.

        It is a shame to see some deep feeling guy (A Robins) wringing his hands over the possible prospect of Kiwis building his brothel in Auckland – and not imported labour from Hong Kong.

        Leaving aside whether foreign banks may dictate who does the work, the question is: why is it racisct for a person to suggest kiwis should build it?

        Or does NZ have the unique obligation to provide all the employment and wealth for everyone in the world – except its own citizens. ? I am sorry if this seems complex.

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 7.2.1.1

          It isn’t complex: it’s the product of a below-average intelligence.

          • Colonial Viper 7.2.1.1.1

            Which Winston is not.

            • One Anonymous Knucklehead 7.2.1.1.1.1

              Mr. Peters displays extreme cynicism.

              • Colonial Viper

                Yes he does. And he plays the corners pretty hard.

                • Rhinocrates

                  There are people who like to confuse cynicism or machismo with intelligence, or, as they like to say “realism”.

                  I wouldn’t even want to confuse low cunning with real intelligence – it’s very narrow, very inflexible. It’s very good at exploiting a limited niche as long as it is allowed to endure, but that’s all. I don’t know why Hoots affects to hate Peters – they’re so much alike, really.

        • prism 7.2.1.2

          OTokoroa
          If you were really interested in the matters you are discussing you would have read how The Standard commenters support NZ employment. I don’t know why you criticise here. Go onto the NACT site and give them a rark up there. They sorely need one.

    • r0b 7.3

      Observer Tokoroa

      Kindly do not presume to put words into my mouth.

      It pleases you very deeply that foreigners come to New Zealand and put up buildings.

      Not really no, but it doesn’t bother me either.

      Unlike the man you despise Winston Peters,

      I don’t despise Winston Peters, he isn’t worth getting worked up about. If it wasn’t him, it would be somebody else representing the same views.

      you have no intention of giving stock standard real work to Kiwis. In your case, you want Asians to do it. Okay.

      And on you go with further irrational ranting. Bye bye.

      • Draco T Bastard 7.3.1

        Not really no, but it doesn’t bother me either.

        From some of the stories I’ve heard it should do.

        • r0b 7.3.1.1

          I don’t know much about it DTB, likely my opinion would shift one way or the other if I learned more.

  8. One Anonymous Knucklehead 8

    Thirty years of market fundamentalism but it’s immigrants ruining the country. Have a Tui.

    • KJT 8.1

      Our present immigration policy is part of market
      fundamentalism.

      The threat is held over New Zealanders. “Work for the miserly wages and conditions we offer or we will bring in more cheap labour”.

      It is used as a way of bypassing the effects of supply and demand from the New Zealand market.

      • One Anonymous Knucklehead 8.1.1

        Says who?

        • Colonial Viper 8.1.1.1

          It’s not said out loud, but it is mouthed every time a Fisher & Paykel relocates to China or Mexico

          • One Anonymous Knucklehead 8.1.1.1.1

            Which means that immigration policy is ruining Auckland?

            • Colonial Viper 8.1.1.1.1.1

              do you actually have any idea of the calculus used in the private sector to minimise wages paid to labour???

              Your preoccupation with “employment law is all that is needed to fix things up” is naive as it is simplistic.

              It’s the hallmark of someone with a narrow focus on one aspect of a single sector of a battle and is not willing, or able, to give a damn about what is happening on the rest of the front.

              No more unskilled or low skilled economic immigrants if they do not meet a strategic NZ need that we cannot fulfil ourselves, OK, is that so hard to understand?

              As for Auckland. Good luck to all you Aucklanders, 2M people by 2030, should be a ball.

              • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                Oh, so our existing immigration laws, with their strict rules around work visas and economic migration, are all good then?

                Because so far you’ve produced no evidence that any of your so called problems actually exist, especially with regard to the alleged problems in Auckland. Nor have you said which rules you’d change.

                It’s the hallmark of someone who’s full of shit, and so is your feeble attempt to change the subject onto fuckwit assertions about me.

                Now, if you’re with Peters, and you think that there are too many “Asians” in Auckland, then have the guts to say so instead of this mealy mouthed bullshit.

              • infused

                CV and knucklehead going at it. I would have never guessed.

                CV has this one.

  9. KJT 9

    It is blatantly obvious.

    My own trade is one of the ones where we are considered to have a skills shortage.

    We do not. We have a shortage of people who are willing to work for the extremely poor pay and conditions, considering the level of skills and training required.

    And Employers have not trained any New Zealanders for decades, knowing they can rely on immigration policy.

    They are now screaming blue murder, because it is now biting them on the bum, as even immigrants from the third world, now only work here as a stepping stone to Australia, or Singapore, where pay is a lot better.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 9.1

      The only thing “blatantly obvious” is your bias.
      \
      Thirty years of wages and conditions being driven down by deliberate government policy to weaken collective bargaining and it’s all the immigrants’ fault.

      Feeble.

      • KJT 9.1.1

        Fuck off.

        I never said it was. I said it is one of the tools employers use to drive down wages.

        Employers would not have been able to ignore all of the skilled people going to Australia if it wasn’t for immigration policy.

        Those who make the policies fault. Nothing to do with individual immigrants, or their ethnicity.

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 9.1.1.1

          The issue is employment law then. So why are you bringing immigration policy into it?

          • KJT 9.1.1.1.1

            Try reading and comprehending!

            Without immigration, the neo-liberals would never have got away with the attack on workers rights.

            They would have been left with no workers!

            • One Anonymous Knucklehead 9.1.1.1.1.1

              So the problem is the attack on workers.

              Not the immigration. Without the attack on workers the immigrants would have joined a union.

              • Colonial Viper

                No no no

                you can’t think of this in linear terms

                the Neolibs used every tool and every front at their disposal, simultaneously. Attacks on unions, ensuring supplies of workers into the labour pool vastly expanded, etc.

                While the Left got left behind, gobsmacked (as it were) trying to work out what the principled way to respond was. Result – encirclement by the right wingers and subsequent crushing. The Left being too often disorganised, confused and badly led, well what’s changed.

                Didn’t help that Ken Douglas and a bunch of his cohorts were spineless sell outs. And that no one had the guts to call a General Strike against a Labour Government.

                • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                  If your theory is correct, Auckland wages should be lower than the rest of the country. Shall we check, or do you concede the point?

                  Without the shitty labour laws you’ve got nothing. Fix the shitty labour laws.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    Come on OAK, you’re better than this. Don’t think you are, know you are.

                    If your theory is correct, Auckland wages in relation to cost of living should be worse than the rest of the country. Shall we check, or do you concede the point?

                    Perhaps it is you who should now conceed?

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      Explain what changes you would make to immigration policy to address this problem of (according to you) low wages.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      immigration policy has to be strongly linked to the strategic needs of this country in terms of demographic needs, skill shortages and long term financial capital. The policy needs to fully consistent and supportive of a national industrial and technology policy.

                      Low and medium/low skilled workers should not be welcomed into NZ as workers as our own young people can fill those gaps.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      Explain what changes you would make to immigration policy as it relates to low-skilled workers.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      I dunno you wanna give me a team of policy analysts and 3 months to get back to you?

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      You didn’t need them to “identify” the problem. Funny that.

                    • ghostrider888

                      ahhh, this can go here!

                      -The primary thing when you take a sword in your hand is to cut the ‘enemy’, whatever the means.Whenever you parry, hit, spring or strike or touch the ‘enemy’s’ cutting sword, you must cut the ‘enemy’ in the same movement.

                      -Miyamoto Musashi.

                      Tadah! :-D

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      “He hit me, so I hit him first.”

                      Trad wushu aphorism :)

                    • ghostrider888

                      “Hit me with you rhythm stick, hit me hard, hit me quick.”
                      (wonder who has got the ‘balls’ to stem the Asian immigration tide, certainly will not be any party on the third-way-neoliberal ends of the economic spectrum, not with all that PROFIT to be made).

                      ahhh, Demographics, don’t ya just love numbers.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Gr888: :)

  10. gobsmacked 10

    Targeting one ethnic group = racism. Simple as that.

    Peters could raise a bunch of legitimate issues (house prices, Sky City, skill shortages etc) by attacking the government. But that doesn’t make a big enough headline. So he pushes prejudice for easy headlines, and votes.

    Thousands of New Zealanders (sic) are feeling more uncomfortable in their country this morning, when they have done nothing wrong except be who they are. Winston Peters does not speak for me, and nor do his apologists.

    • KJT 10.1

      Targeting one group is racism.

      Objecting to the pandering to the wealthy and dysfunctional employers, aspects of our immigration policy, IS NOT.

      Why do some people shut down, anyone who finds our present immigration policy does not work for New Zealanders, with screams of racism and xenophobia.

      Why are they so scared of rational discussion on the subject.

      Peters is wrong in several counts.
      .We should not be bringing in skilled people, we should be training New Zealand kids.
      And. The Chinese are not the problem. Our immigration policy is!

      • KJT 10.1.1

        25 thousand unemployed kids in Northland.

        So we bring in unskilled labour from overseas to rebuild Christchurch.

        Doesn’t make sense.

      • One Anonymous Knucklehead 10.1.2

        It’s because blindingly obvious that the problems you ascribe to immigration are manifestly home-made, of the Rogernomic variety.

        It’s laughable that you blame immigration policy for problems caused by employment law.

        • KJT 10.1.2.1

          See above.

          • One Anonymous Knucklehead 10.1.2.1.1

            Where you failed to support your assertion that immigration policy is the problem and tried to build circular arguments that fell over?

            • KJT 10.1.2.1.1.1

              I think I explained my position perfectly well.

              Not my fault if you cannot comprehend something that is not black and white.

              • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                I comprehend your position perfectly well: the problem is due to the influx of British immigrants in the 1950s and ’60s, to keep wages low, and that Winston Peters is playing on the unease this causes.

                That is your position, isn’t it? As per your first comment?

                I recall how wages fell dramatically in the 50s and 60s as a result.

                • KJT

                  Immigration in the 50’s was part of an attack on workers rights also.

                  Of course, if you have forgotten what happened in 1951?

                  • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                    Right, so let me see if I can get this straight. The response to the waterfront dispute was to bring in a “…huge wave of English immigrants in the 50′s and 60′s, who brought their dysfunctional adversarial industrial relations system…”

                    Your “arguments” just had a head-on collision. Own goal. Oops.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    I dont know why its so difficult to understand. Globalisation in all its many forms has been used to advantage capital and disadvantage labour. That’s obvious. Have some formerly 3rd world labourers been made better off? Yes. But the cream has been skimmed off by the normal players. And workers in first world countries have suffered significant wave deflation as a result.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      So now the problem is “free” trade, not immigration policy?

                    • ghostrider888

                      The important thing in strategy is to suppress the ‘enemy’s useful actions, but allow his useless actions.

                      -and that would be…Miyamoto Musashi, again. :-D

                    • Colonial Viper

                      gr888…now you’re talking…some days you have to ask yourself which category commenting on the Standard falls into…

                    • ghostrider888

                      well, I like to s p r e a d the word. Somethings gotta rub off. WE ‘know’ these things.

        • prism 10.1.2.2

          OAK
          You seem determined to stick with a biased opinion and then confrontationally face everyone to protect it. There is a window of opportunity showing sun threough it in our area before a possible week’s bad weather why don’t you get some fresh air. You’re getting cabin fever.

          • One Anonymous Knucklehead 10.1.2.2.1

            I asked for supporting material and been told “it’s obvious”.

            I’ve heard a confused melange of so-called “arguments” that contradict one another – “immigration drives wages down and encourages economic growth”, for example.

            Nothing so far to shake my confidence in the finding that low IQ predicts for prejudice.

            But if you’ve got some rational argument as to why immigration, rather than Rogernomics, is at the root of Auckland’s woes I’m all ears.

            • Draco T Bastard 10.1.2.2.1.1

              The immigration policy is part of the Rogernomics attack on workers.

              • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                No, KJT says it started in the 1950s. Rogernomics dates from much later than that.

              • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                Oh. and it’s funny, but there’s extensive analysis on Rogernomics online, but I can’t find any reference to the changes they made to immigration law.

                It’s almost as though you just now pulled that out of thin air. You can recall the changes made to immigration law by the fourth Labour government, can’t you?

                • Draco T Bastard

                  IIRC, they loosened up immigration from what it was previously allowing more people into the country. One change that has happened, although not specifically 1980s, is the loosening up of seasonal work visas, something that never used to exist and it happened because the fruit growers couldn’t find people to do the work for the amount that they wished to pay. It also appears that imported workers are easier to abuse.

                  • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                    Changes to immigration law occurred in 1987, 1991, 2003 and 2007.

                    You will struggle to show any correlation between these changes and income or employment levels, let alone causation.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      It’s almost as if you think that having massive increases in the available labour pool, and capitalists having access to cheaper and more compliant sources of labour, is not an important factor.

                      BTW sometimes it takes years for these changes to have their full effects through society. I wouldn’t be surprised if thousands of sub-minimum wage foreign workers have effectively displaced NZers from farms and orchards all around the country.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      Its almost as though you don’t recognise how the 2007 record employment rate blows your hypothesis out of the water.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      One other factor which is a major driver (perhaps even THE major driver) in employment rate change, as identified by Steve Keen, is acceleration in debt levels.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      Right, so not 1950s, 60s or even 80s immigration policy, then.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      PS: you’re in the same position as those wingnuts who claim that increasing the minimum wage causes unemployment: convinced of something but unable to produce any supporting evidence, and the evidence there is suggests no linkage.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Nah I’m just more familiar with right wing economic strategies than you are, and how the Left has let rings get run around it.

                      PS: you’re in the same position as those wingnuts who claim that increasing the minimum wage causes unemployment:

                      It makes the employment case for marginal businesses less viable under certain circumstances. In some sectors of the economy there will be an offset as more money enters communities, but in some others this effect will be less.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      Then you’ll have no trouble producing the supporting material that shows how immigration causes unemployment and lower wages.

                      Yes, it’s time for you to produce the facts, not your opinions of what must be true.

                    • KJT

                      FFS OAK.

                      Their is a direct cause and effect in my present job between the availability of immigrants, due to it being declared a job where employers can bring in skilled immigrants as of right, and the lower wages than Australia, Singapore and India.

                      Are you still trying to claim that, having a much larger labour pool available, of immigrants, does not affect workers negotiating power and hence wage rates.

                      Bullshit!

                    • ghostrider888

                      that would be “the lower wages” then?
                      same as the Pacific seasonal workers accepting what the orchardists / vinters and the ‘market’ will pay rather than let the produce rot or rip them out all together; maybe plant some more cows.

                    • KJT

                      “you’re in the same position as those wingnuts who claim that increasing the minimum wage causes unemployment: convinced of something but unable to produce any supporting evidence, and the evidence there is suggests no linkage.”

                      Actually, OAK, you are in that position.

                      Claiming that immigration policy does not affect wages, and workers negotiating power.

                      When it manifestly does.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      “It manifestly does”

                      Then you will have no problem producing the evidence that it does instead of a load of unsupported anecdotes about what you reckon, which is that British immigration drives wages down, isn’t it?

                      After all, it’s obvious that if they raise the minimum wage I won’t be able to employ as many people and that will cause unemployment, eh.

                      Go on, plenty of countries have immigration. The ones with more immigration should have lower wages and higher unemployment. It won’t be hard for you to verify that unless you’re talking shit.

                      PS: here’s a head start, Borjas 1999, Duleep 2008, Chiswick 1978, McKenzie 2006, Lubotsky 2007; Beenstock et al. 2005.

                      Studies: lots. Support for your faith-based opinions: not so much.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      Fact: immigrants face significant disadvantages in the employment market.
                      Fact: areas with larger numbers of migrants tend to have lower unemployment and higher wages (the immigrants go where the money is).

                      Prejudice is stupid and racism is wrong and both are useless.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      OAK is that fairly common kind of lefty who switches off his own senses and abdicated it to the research evidence. If its not in the research evidence, its because it doesn’t exist QED.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      :lol: What does that say about the link between low wages, unemployment and immigration policy?

                      Attack the messenger. That always works :lol:

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Real easy idea, see if you can cotton on to it: no more unskilled or low skilled economic migrants if a NZer can do that job today, or can be rapidly trained up to do that job. Yeah? Now what’s your problem.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      The evidence that the problem you seek to cure exists, and is the pressing problem for the Left on this issue, as opposed to protecting migrant workers from the National Party racism and exploitation.

                    • KJT

                      So OAK.
                      The immigrant farmworkers on $3 an hour have nothing to do with immigration policy?

                      Nothing in any “references” I have read, including some you mention contradict what I have been saying. Many support it.

                      However. Carry on arguing with yourself!

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      $3 per hour? Citation please.

                      If true, then yes, being flat-out illegal, it has a lot more to do with local employment conditions than immigration policy.

                      PS: think about it – stronger unions, for example, would prevent this sort of worker exploitation since the DoL isn’t up to the task.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      $3 per hour? Citation please.

                      Because without a citation it doesn’t exist? Gimme a break.

                      I definitely know dairy farm workers who are on the equivalent of $8-$9/hr, not sure about $3.

                      Pull your head out of the sand maybe?

                      I support your call for stronger unions and stronger employment law. But I also support an economic immigration policy which helps young NZers find work at the front of the queue.

                    • RedLogix

                      Or you could address the issues Peters actually raises:

                      An Asian student cheating industry had emerged, a slave trade was running where immigrants were promised jobs and ended up working for nothing, and some tradespeople were concerned about backyard industries springing up that they could not compete with.

                      Or the immigrant workers I saw last year plastering , three stories up on blatantly illegal scaffolding, freezing wet wind … in t-shirts and jandals.

                      And for the most part this exploitation has been imported into this country within the communities involved. The simple non-controversial, non-racist observation is that across Asia values and attitudes are in general very different to those traditional and established here. There is no question that a combination of overpopulation, an over-exploited environment, gross extremes of wealth inequality, a hyper-competitive economic environment and a significantly different religious and cultural heritage plays out quite differently in Asian societies than ours.

                      Of course this general observation cannot be safely projected onto individual Asians. The handful I’ve gotten to know well have all expressed in one form or another that their reason for being here in New Zealand was a desire to escape from exactly these oppressive aspects of this heritage. In particular I know several Asian women (both long-term partners of old friends of mine) explain that while there is no such thing as the perfect man … they hugely enjoy how much easier it is to find a Kiwi guy who will treat them with far less sexism, more respect and equality than they were every likely to find at home.

                      Indeed these are not too dissimilar to the sort of motivations held by many English, Scots and Irish which drove them to risk highly dangerous sailing voyages in the 1800’s, to permanently leave home and all family, and start a wholly new life in this land. But naturally this colonisation process also meant that they inevitably imported a whole baggage compartment of culture and values with them. As the Maori of the era loudly testified to.

                      This process always has consequences that cannot be ignored, or magicked away by playing ‘racism’ card whenever anyone attempts to debate them.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      RL: the problems Peters raises: explain how any of them would be addressed by a change in immigration policy.

                    • RedLogix

                      You miss the obvious parallel. IF Maori in the 1800’s had been in a position to implement an immigration policy, as contrasted to being forced to accept the uncontrolled arrival of hundreds of thousands of immigrants …. then quite possibly the whole process of colonisation which subsequently occurred, and the consequences of which we are still grappling with, might well have taken an entirely different path.

                      Whenever an established population is swamped by the rapid arrival of people with very different values and cultures it always has bad consequences. Equally it is undesirable to close the door to new arrivals completely, so for this reason ALL nations have strong immigration policies to control the process.

                      As a nation we’ve lived through an uncontrolled colonisation once already in our short history; we really don’t need to do anything similar all over again.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      I’m not missing the parallel, I’m just not convinced there’s any evidence it is happening again, especially in regard to “Asian” (what country is that again) migrants.

                      What is happening is that

                      The ethnic mosaic of New Zealand’s population is changing, with the Mäori, Pacific and Asian ethnic groups making up a growing proportion of the population. This reflects past and likely future differentials in fertility, as well as the impact of growing miscegenation (intermarriage) and changes in immigration policy. Also, the Mäori, Pacific and Asian populations have a more youthful age structure and thus a greater built-in momentum for growth than the European population. Coupled with higher fertility for Mäori and Pacific people, and the assumed net migration levels for Asian people, these ethnic groups are likely to grow at a much faster pace than their European counterparts.

                      Question: when Maori make up the largest ethnic group, will white racists continue their obsession with the Chinese?

                    • RedLogix

                      I’m just not convinced there’s any evidence it is happening again, especially in regard to “Asian”

                      I’m using the word ‘Asian’ in it’s broadest sense; covering the broad sweep of ethnicities from India through to Chinese.

                      In 1840 virtually all the non-Maori in this country were a relatively small handful of American whalers and sealers, missionaries and a scattering of adventurers from all over. A mere 50 years later and people were talking about Maori in terms of “smoothing the pillow of a dying race”.

                      The excellent document you link to presents data that when projected over a similar 50 year period could have a similar outcome. And while Asians are at present around 10% of the population, most of them are concentrated in Auckland where the cultural impact .. as Winston points out … is correspondingly greater. Projected over a mere 20-30 years at the current rates of immigration and Auckland will be an almost entirely Asian city.

                      Because winning seats in Auckland is vital to being in government, the pressure to open up immigration even further will become inevitable. This would all be well and good if this is were we want to go as a nation.

                      But can you imagine the Chinese tolerating (proportionately speaking) say 150m Europeans migrating into Beijing … and demanding say … democratic government? Or insisting of the right to form unions, or freedom of religion?

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      I note you failed to even acknowledge, let alone address the issue of Pakeha becoming a minority behind tangata whenua, in favour of a fixation on Chinese.

                      My thesis is that racists will have far more of a problem with that than Chinese becoming a slightly enlarged minority, no matter how hard you blow that dog-whistle.

                      Who gives a shit what the criminal Chinese government would do? Are they supposed to be some sort of benchmark now?

                    • RedLogix

                      I note you failed to even acknowledge, let alone address the issue of Pakeha becoming a minority behind tangata whenua, in favour of a fixation on Chinese.

                      I didn’t bother addressing it because you had already answered the question. Maori and European are perhaps some of the most intermarried populations on Earth. My family has been here since 1832 and I’m one myself.

                      We’ve had a 160 odd years to get used to each other and within another couple of generations the difference between European and Maori/Pacifica will become pretty academic. Even so it will have been a bumpy ride. Colonisation is like that.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      So, what are we left with?

                      Ethnic tests for new immigrants? Racial quotas?

                      Or, as I prefer, would it be better to address issues such as worker exploitation and prejudice against minorities, before deciding that the migrants are the problem?

                    • ghostrider888

                      A valuable contribution by RL is the concept of another ‘colonisation’ underway, and the appeal to that demographic by the politicians.(and OAK’s reiteration that the future is ‘brown’).

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      It’s drawing a long bow to describe the arrival of migrants as ‘colonisation’. Especially given the effect the actual colonisation of Aotearoa New Zealand had upon its inhabitants.

                      Nor has anyone explained why a large migrant population is a bad thing, except to point to abuses of workers’ rights, which we have the tools to address irrespective of immigration policy.

                      The specific ethnicity of the migrants seems to be the most pressing concern, people cite human rights abuses in particular countries as though race were a determining factor in such crimes.

                      It’s always fascinating to witness white privilege bemoaning denial of democracy and human rights abuses, especially accompanied by the assurance that “they” are more prone to it than “we” are. Gentle reader, human rights abuses, corruption, and denial of democracy are equal opportunity offences. Daniel Francois Malan meet Pol Pot meet Augusto Pinochet meet Idi Amin. George W is trying to make eye contact with Indira Ghandi.

                    • Populuxe1

                      CV: “OAK is that fairly common kind of lefty who switches off his own senses and abdicated it to the research evidence. If its not in the research evidence, its because it doesn’t exist QED.”

                      Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Bwahahahahahah *snort* hahahahahah *guffaw* Ouch, my spleen. Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Roll on the flat earth, the geocentric universe, and Creationism. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Fuck that’s funny. Ahahahhahahahahahahahahahah

                      Bad bad lefty for relying on objective studies and not your pitiful, weak human senses, assumptions and prejudices hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

                    • Colonial Viper

                      So how is your scientifically rational and statistically objective world working out for you mate?

                    • Populuxe1

                      “So how is your scientifically rational and statistically objective world working out for you mate?”

                      More effectively than your dark ages superstitious paranoia, petitio principii, onus probandi, cum hoc ergo propter hoc and any number of other informal logical fallacies, I’d wager.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Logic and rationality are merely beginnings, not more.

                    • ghostrider888

                      OAK, “colonization” began with the voyagers, then the traders, the whalers etc; a trickle becomes a flood in time.

                    • Populuxe1

                      “Logic and rationality are merely beginnings, not more.”

                      As opposed to what? Burning old women at the stake as witches because they know something about medical herbs and persecuting people for not believing in the same invisible sky fary as you do? Let’s just all go back to the fucking Dark Ages, eh? It was so much fun back then. Why let ourselves be guided by objective evidence when we can just make shit up when it suits us, like CV?

                    • ghostrider888

                      Gee Pop, rather late for latin, but diligently (public education you see) I’ll look them up. sigh.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      What does someone focussed blindly on his feet like yourself know of this thing called “Dark Ages”?

                    • ghostrider888

                      got the Latin, why didn’t ya just say ‘So’ Pop. Anyway, Draco placed an elegant summary of some anthropological study into the WEIRD culture’s influence on cognition in today’s Open Mike.

      • gobsmacked 10.1.3

        Why are they so scared of rational discussion on the subject?

        Rational discussion is welcome. The question then, is: Does Peters’ speech contribute to rational discussion? And was that its purpose?

        No, and no.

        His pandering to racial prejudice makes it harder to discuss problems and solutions. For example, many people might want to oppose a new brothel in the CBD, but not because the owner is “Hong Kong born”. That’s irrelevant. But Peters takes legitimate concerns and undermines them.

        It’s his old trick, it’s nasty, it’s obvious, and he should be called on it. Every time.

        • KJT 10.1.3.1

          No great fan of Peters, but immigration policy is something that should be discussed.

          Including as yet another, not the sole one as OAK thinks I am saying, enabler of attacks on workers rights.

    • ghostrider888 10.2

      points to OAK and gobsmacked, imo.

  11. tc 11

    Peters is as peters does, all the while Collins self appointed squash commissioner does nothing, what a joke as she should be ticking him off so makes me wonder this is what Slippery and CT want, to let it run awhile at least.

    Oz is no better in terms of racism so kiwis will keep leaving in droves under NACT and be repalced by migrants. This does nothing aside from dog whistling up the rednecks as Winnie looks to get whoever he can to vote NZF it’s a shame as he’s done some good stuff then goes and does this, ah well that’s Winston for ya.

    • Roy 11.1

      Indeed, what the hell is with Devoid saying she doesn’t want to get involved. Why did she apply for her position if she is not prepared to comment on such blatant racism?

      • Draco T Bastard 11.1.1

        She didn’t apply, she was shoulder tapped.

        • fender 11.1.1.1

          Apparently she was hanging out one white sheet and one black sheet on the washing line one day when her neighbour Tony Ryall stuck his shiny head over the fence and declared he had found the new RRC.

  12. Colonial Viper 12

    I like Chinese, they really are eager to please.

    But, it’s been great for our local gangs to have had been helped along the road of professionalisation and international networking by overseas Chinese associates. The Chinese originally helped create the concept of organised crime centuries ago and along with pasta it was a nice little export to Europe through the silk road. Brilliant entrepreneurial people :)

    Btw Eliot Spitzer would say that these days the real money in organised crime comes from legal corporate business with monopoly characteristics.

    • ghostrider888 12.1

      :-D

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 12.2

      I like Taoism. Not so fussed on Confucianism, but I can see why people are drawn to it. I think the invention of moveable typesetting was pretty cool too. Likewise the compass.

  13. ak 13

    Hooters and e spinner both putting the boot in?

    Excellent. Proof positive that Johnny-no-mates’ latest extensive overtures were unsuccessful.

    Watch it Winnie. Now they’ll stop at nothing.

    • Colonial Viper 13.1

      Yeah they can’t believe Winnie’s actually back and desperately want to fuck him for good now.

      In fact, I think the Left should treat Winston like that cantankerous, and slightly racist, old uncle “of that generation” who turns up and annoys a few people at the family gathering, but is otherwise very entertaining and has a lot to contribute.

      DON’T not invite him, just DON’T give him access to the whisky too early in the evening.

      • One Anonymous Knucklehead 13.1.1

        That’s the real reason they oppose NZPower: more of Peters’ supporters will survive through winter.

      • prism 13.1.2

        CV VG +1

      • prism 13.1.3

        CV
        Sounds like the best response to the old ‘statesman’. Now if it was Nick Smith under consideration, he’s just another toy from Macdonalds.

        • Colonial Viper 13.1.3.1

          Indeed. We have all got to know Winston pretty well. We know he’s not leading the BNP. Yes he does himself a disservice by playing the race card and R0b is quite right to criticise him for it. But I wouldn’t write him off because of it.

  14. Pascal's bookie 14

    Where’s Susan Devoy at?

    Not a peep.

    What are we paying her for again?

  15. Chooky 15

    When Winston was Foreign Affairs Minister he got on brilliantly with Asian politicians. They understand each other . They speak the same language. They have the same values, up to a point which, they all recognise ..ie ….FAMILY COMES FIRST! NZers COME FIRST IN NEW ZEALAND!!!!! EMPLOY UNEMPLOYED NZers first! …TRAIN NZers first for employment…LOOK after our own unemployed Kiwis first!…Look after our standard of living and what matters to the most humble NZers first!..

    Winston is not a racist!!!!(That is an ugly slur and by trendo politically correct people who probably have a problem with racism themselves but wont admit it.) One on one Winston gets on very well with Asians. He is after all part Asian; more so with his Maori ancestry than many of his critics. Winston is not a knucklehead and Winston does have a high IQ! ( A lot of criticism directed at Winston I suspect is racist…His career as a politician has probably been knee-capped by covert racism.)

    HOWEVER: Just a pity you cant always trust Winston not to tango with National( although he has spurned their advances on many occasions and he has walked out on them over issues. of principle)… He is like us chooks he jumps from perch to perch..A cunning rooster if ever there was one and not entirely trustworthy!. …Also Winston doesnt seem to like his greens…..A great pity, because we chooks just love our greens!

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 15.1

      Asia. Which country is that again where they all speak the same language?

      Winston may or may not be a bigot, but what is certain is that employing this rhetoric is an appeal to bigotry. His assertions are unsupported. The Left is in the business of protecting migrant minorities, not demonising them.

      • ghostrider888 15.1.1

        *sigh* where is the tree you sit under located, Anonymously; might have to saunter by; it is either leaves, or remains rooted. ;)

    • prism 15.2

      Chooky
      Very amusing intro to Winston a little kind but almost right. You do make him sound more winsome than Winston. And this polly does wear pretty good feathers, an attractive looking and sounding rooster. He’ll cock a snook at them all.

  16. Winston is part Asian?

    ” He is of mixed ethnicity, his father being Māori and his mother being of Scottish descent.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Peters

    Come on Chooky… please correct me or wikipedia if I’m, or they are, wrong :)

  17. Chooky 17

    Are Maori of part Asian ancestry or not?…..Taiwan, Japan , South America , Polynesia?…..depends on how you define Asian….NZ is certainly more in Asia than it is in UK or Europe and the Maori certainly look more Asian than Anglo Saxon or Scottish , the latter of which Winston is anyway( a Scottish Mother he was devoted to)….Lets not get too nit picky, genetic and pedantic about this….Winston is a true NZer!!!! (more so than John Key whose parents came from Austria?)…

    The fact of the matter is that Winston was a very good Minister of Foreign Affairs and he had considerable rapport with Asian leaders. He is no racist!!!!

  18. Clockie 18

    And this:

    There are three theories regarding the spread of humans across the Pacific to Polynesia. These are outlined well by Kayser et al. (2000)[10] and are as follows:

    Express Train model: A recent (c. 3000–1000 BC) expansion out of Taiwan, via the Philippines and eastern Indonesia and from the northwest (“Bird’s Head”) of New Guinea, on to Island Melanesia by roughly 1400 BC, reaching western Polynesian islands right about 900 BC. This theory is supported by the majority of current human genetic data, linguistic data, and archaeological data.
    Entangled Bank model: Emphasizes the long history of Austronesian speakers’ cultural and genetic interactions with indigenous Island Southeast Asians and Melanesians along the way to becoming the first Polynesians.
    Slow Boat model: Similar to the express-train model but with a longer hiatus in Melanesia along with admixture, both genetically, culturally and linguistically with the local population. This is supported by the Y-chromosome data of Kayser et al. (2000), which shows that all three haplotypes of Polynesian Y chromosomes can be traced back to Melanesia.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polynesia#History_of_the_Polynesian_people

    • xtasy 18.1

      While you have a point with this, the history of Polynesia is bound to be much more diverse than many commonly think. For instance Norwegian explorer, adventurer and also scientist Thor Heyerdahl did with excavations, interviewing locals, and with sundry research on Rapanui, Easter Island, establish, that the Polynesians that lived there, and in other parts of the islands, were partly from South American Indian stock.

      Also were excavations and other research on the Marquesan Islands, on Tahiti, other Society Islands and the Cook Islands showing, that there were statues and carvings by the early natives, that resemble very much similar statues in Peru, Ecuador and Bolivia.

      There were even ancient vocal records, referring to travels between South America and the islands of Eastern Polynesia.

      At the same time there has been some evidence that East Asian peoples migrated also into the Americas, over times when there was a crossing possible between Alaska and Siberia, and they mixed and mingled with earlier migrants to the Americas, who in party also are supposed to have some ancient historic ties to Phoenicians, who actually appear to have settled in both North and Central America thousands of years ago.

      But to try and establish a link between Chinese and Polynesians is too much a bow to stretch, as those ancient Taiwanese, that also appear to have travelled to South West and Central Polynesia and Melanesia, are genetically, culturally and otherwise not that much related to the present Han and other Chinese populations. Also was South East Asia settled by Malays and similar groups, after it was for thousands of years rather home to dark skinned native populations, of which the ones living on the Moluccan Islands are remnants.

      Most recent findings suggest, that Australia was even reached by seafarers not only from South East Asia, but also Africa, long before Europeans ever “discovered” it.

      I think there will be much more coming out about history of this and other parts of the world over coming decades. The Europeans only “discovered” much in their own ego centric belief. There were others already living in parts of the world they had not seen before, and they were also in contact, even if just casually, with other people from other regions, long before.

      • Clockie 18.1.1

        Yes ! This gentleman provides an exciting read as well..

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_von_D%C3%A4niken

        • xtasy 18.1.1.1

          Clockie: Looked at that years ago, sorry, he is “outer spaced mad”, he was, since he died of course. NO, that is not what I believe in, but then again, enjoy your reading of whatever.

          • Clockie 18.1.1.1.1

            Xtasy, no offence but I have to tell you that most mainstrean anthropologists view Heyerdahl’s theories in pretty much the same light that most sane people view von Daniken.

            Heyerdahl’s theory of Polynesian origins never gained acceptance among anthropologists.[13] Physical and cultural evidence had long suggested that Polynesia was settled from west to east, migration having begun from the Asian mainland, not South America. In the late 1990s, genetic testing found that the mitochondrial DNA of the Polynesians is more similar to people from southeast Asia than to people from South America, showing that their ancestors most likely came from Asia.[14] Easter Islanders are of Polynesian descent.[15][16]

            Anthropologist Robert Carl Suggs included a chapter titled “The Kon-Tiki Myth” in his book on Polynesia, concluding that “The Kon-Tiki theory is about as plausible as the tales of Atlantis, Mu, and ‘Children of the Sun.’ Like most such theories it makes exciting light reading, but as an example of scientific method it fares quite poorly.”[17]

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_Heyerdahl

            • xtasy 18.1.1.1.1.1

              Explain then please, linguistic correspondence and similarities between Aymara and Quechua Indian language, and other languages in Peru, Ecuador and Bolivia, for instance the use of the word Kumara for the same sweet potato, and what is used for same things in Polynesia, then.

              Explain please the statues in stone and the marae platforms used in not only Rapanui, but also Hiva Oa, Nuku Hiva, islands like Raiatea, Moorea, Tahiti, Cook Islands and so forth, that are in presence totally the same as in South America!

              I feel you are falling for the dominant “lectures”, but as we know, over history, new findings always come up and reverse the interpretation of history. There were fruits, crops and the likes found in Polynesia, that otherwise only occur in South America, the kumara just being one, so how can you believe that such facts are irrelevant?

              I do not believe the present interpretations, and I also believe that Polynesians are of various backgrounds, not just from “Asia”, as that ignores too much other evidence. It is plain ignorant and stupid. But we know, same with other “findings”, once a school of thought gets established, they hammer their views home, and they want to claim exclusive rights under “science”. BS that is.

              • KJT

                Thor Heyerdahl was no sailor, or navigator.

                All sailors with any sense, explore first to windward.

                Find the furthest point they can to windward and then work back towards home.

                Asia to Polynesia makes sense.

                Blowing downwind in a raft, with no chance of getting back if they did not luck on any islands, does not.

                Only idiots go downwind when there is no certainty of finding land.

                How do ensure you get back home, upwind, before your supplies run out?

                • KJT

                  There is an indication, however, that some Polynesians did travel as far as South America and return with at least one variety of sweet potato.

                  http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/01/polynesians-reached-south-america-picked-up-sweet-potatoes-went-home/

                  Genetics and other evidence which was not available in Heyerdahl’s time, and Polynesians own verbal history, has disproved the hypothesis that the Pacific was colonised from America.

                  As someone trained in the art myself, I am totally impressed with their navigation skills.,

                  • xtasy

                    So Polynesians did travel to South America, risking that they may not be able to return to tiny islands in the vast Pacific Ocean, saw some stone statues that locals there had shaped and were worshipping, and then they went back with some sweet potatoes, and perhaps also took some of those heavy statues with them, to erect on their islands?

                    Or alternatively they saw the statues and decided on the spot, hey, they look nice, we will carve the same kind of statues on our islands back home, and then use them for worship?

                    I think you are adhering to selective thoughts here, sticking to the dominant school of thought, that does not allow for alternative scenarios and explanations.

                    Of course the islands were not “colonised” by Americans, but in part they appear to have been settled from there. Possibly there were some islands not even populated by anyone then, when they arrived from the east.

                    There is verbal history about Polynesians’ ancestors having come from the east. And also on Easter Island they talk about two distinct groups of populations living on that island, before the first Europeans ever arrived there. They had a civil war kind of, which wiped out much of their amazing culture. So there must be more to it than capable sailors that went sailing across the ocean to do a bit of travel and trade.

                • xtasy

                  “Blowing downwind in a raft, with no chance of getting back if they did not luck on any islands, does not.”

                  Heyerdahl quoted old records by the first settlers and conquistadores of Spanish descent that arrived in Ecuador and Peru, and they say that the Indians told them of islands to the west – in the vast ocean. They also told them of an ancient king or leader, who left to explore those islands. Hence there was some contact between South America and the Polynesia islands in the east of Polynesia.

                  It would not appear to have been frequent and regular contact, but there was some contact and travel, and it may well have stopped, given the difficulties of travel between those places.

                  Polynesia was settled from both sides, the west (and that is East or South East Asia) and in part from the east. There are also distinct differences between Polynesians in Society Islands, Marquesas and so, compared to those on Samoa and Tonga. The mixing resulted in variations of appearances, I would presume.

                  • Populuxe1

                    Personally I think you’re just jabbering pseudo-science because if you can make a case for a South American connection you think it will miraculously give your future utterances on New Zealand biculturalism greater significance than that of Maori and Pakeha who have lived here for generations.

                    • xtasy

                      “Pseudo science” is for instance history written by Euro centric historians, who also promoted scientific “views” and interpretations that are followed ignoring all other evidence. So I realise that the one clinging to pseudo science may well rather be you, Popoluxe1.

                      And do Polynesians really look so “Asian” (meaning East Asian) to you, to conclude they must come from there? I can only shake my head in disbelief if you think so.

                      As for “bicultural NZ” that was not something I came up with, it used to be common theme in the 1980s and into the 1990s.

                      I do by the way not agree with Winston Peters’ claims, but give him some credit to raise certain issues that should be discussed publicly and fairly. But due to a wrongly interpreted “policital correctness” that much of New Zealand now sticks with, it simply gets ridiculed right from the start, so that no debate is allowed.

                    • Rhinocrates

                      Polynesians really look so “Asian”

                      And so forth.

                      I’m grossly oversimplifying – really, really so, leaving out all sorts of details – but apparently humanity came our of Africa, the Neanderthals arose from an early colonising branch in Europe, the Denisovans arose farther east. All people of European descent have a small percentage of Neanderthal genes as a result of interbreeding, all people of the Pacific and the Americas have that Neanderthal legacy as well as the Denisovan. All, everywhere have undergone their changes as time passed, but as a species, we are remarkably lacking in diversity at the genetic level. A single troop of chimpanzees show more genetic variance than the entire human race. All the racial differences are less than the user preferences on the graphic user interface of the operating system, all represent a great tapestry of time.

                      Listen to someone when they talk about their descent and think of your own, but remember that we are all woven together.

                    • Populuxe1

                      Evidence that Maori are the product of a long and gradual migration from Asia found in Maori mitochondrial DNA and in the mitochondrial DNA of species Maori brought with them:

                      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/02/110203124726.htm

                      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC24590/

                      Me having blond hair doesn’t make me German

                    • ghostrider888

                      Its circa Taiwan.(that’s a Full Stop).(that’s another one).

                    • Rhinocrates

                      And there Populuxe1, you miss the wood for the trees.

                    • xtasy

                      Pop:
                      In the article found under the first link you provided, this is stated in the second-last chapter:
                      “Our study of the mtDNA evidence shows the interactions between the islands of Southeast Asia and the Pacific was far more complex than previous accounts tended to suggest and it paves the way for new theories of the spread of Austronesian languages.”

                      In chapter 4 of that report to which your second link leads, the following is stated:
                      “However, analysis of genetic variation amongst Polynesian populations has provided little evidence regarding the settlement of the Polynesian triangle itself.”

                      The Conclusion summarises this:
                      “This study of mtDNA variation in R. exulans populations from a number of Pacific islands supports the following hypotheses. (i) Colonization of the islands of east Polynesia and subsequent contact occurred from a broad central region that included at least the Southern Cook and Society Islands, but the Marquesas Islands probably should not be considered a part of this central region to the same degree. (ii) A minimum of two introductions of the rat into Hawaii supports suggestions of postsettlement human contact with central east Polynesia. (iii) New Zealand’s prehistoric colonization and contact history included multiple visits from the Southern Cook and Society Islands region and the Kermadecs and may have included earlier exploratory visits and/or unsuccessful colonization attempts. (iv) Intermediary and stepping-stone islands (e.g., the Kermadecs) have a significant role in colonization and subsequent voyaging. (v) Relative accessibility and isolation among islands influence colonization and interaction histories.”

                      So what are you trying to prove or disprove in regards to what I commented?

                      Asia that many thousands of years ago was a rather different place, so yes, it is quite likely that a early travellers and settlers from parts of
                      Central or South East Asia came to the Bismarck Archipelago and settled there. They have though surely had interactions with other people that moved in, through or past over the millenia, so some intermingling happened. Also will there have been cultural influences not having had much of a genetic imprint.

                      This all does not rule out some interaction with, and some influence from South Americans, that occured and had an impact on “Central Polynesia”, being Society Islands and other island groups around there.

                      The Americas were also settled from Asia, by the way!

  19. Rhinocrates 19

    how do all the conservatives in National and ACT feel about working with Winston Peters and his facile, juvenile, anti-China hysteria?

    Devoy scuttles away with Collins’ endorsement, knowing that she’s paid to devalue her job.

    Key will try to brush it aside with a smirk and smarm up to Peters again later. One thing he knows is that in bankstering and politics, grudges hint at principles, and principles are a liability.

    However, how does Mumblefuck’s mob feel about working with Peters, should he hold the balance of power? Is that why Mumblefuck is once again being so piss-weak?

  20. Chooky 20

    Whatever!…..What has this to do with Winston’s concerns about Auckland?…15 story brothels etc….?….How does this help Auckland and the women of Auckland? How do casinos which cater for new immigrant gamblers and new money help old native Aucklanders and those already at the bottom of the heap pokie gamblers?….

    This is not about Winston’s racism…. It is about denigration of Winston as a racist.!!!…It could also be construed as insensitive sexism… a lack of concern for the ordinary NZ women of Auckland and their ability to enjoy their city unmolested and untainted by the surrounding corruption that goes with sexual exploitation of women…….Winston is right to be concerned about immigration.

    • Clockie 20.1

      Chooky: “Winston gets on very well with Asians. He is after all part Asian; more so with his Maori ancestry than many of his critics.”

      “Are Maori of part Asian ancestry or not?…..Taiwan, Japan , South America , Polynesia?…..depends on how you define Asian”

      You asked, I answered..

      I also explained the context (and I think I got the story right)
      in which Winston himself claimed Asian heritage. It does have some bearing, however tangential to the discussion on this thread.

  21. xtasy 21

    Well, another lively debate in this thread, for and against, frowning and also not frowning on Peters, and also in part presenting misinformed bits, that can easily lead to sway the opinion to one or the other side.

    All that I can say to migration of people from especially Mainland China is, that Immigration NZ appears to be a bit incompetent or “stressed” in dealing with many applications from Chinese. It is not just language and cultural aspects, but much of the documentation they have to look at and process.

    I know of one Chinese woman, a friend of a former “associate” of sorts, who has established rather intimate and well connected relationships with a number of Chinese migrants. What I have seen and heard gives me sufficient reason to claim, that there are a fair number of migrants from that country, that should never have been allowed to come and live here, should indeed not have been granted permanent residence. I am sure there are many thousands of such cases.

    This particular woman did what many Chinese migrants do. She consulted Chinese migrant consultants and advisors, Chinese accountants and others, after setting up a small business, that never was profitable, but that was made to “appear” profitable. In short, the figures were always manipulated, but in a way that it was hard to prove this being wrong. So a questionable small “enterprise” was run for a few years, with one goal only, to support a permanent residence application, so that this “business entrepreneur” was granted PR in the end. All the professionals she used to give her support, advice and “cooked figures” and also incorrect documents, were all Chinese. She indeed had and still has very few New Zealand associates, let alone friends.

    The daughter’s intention to study at uni was another motivator to get PR, so she would not have to pay enormous student fees as being a foreign student. A partner of the woman continues to live in China, but was in the end also given PR, but he only comes for short spells now and then, for a visit. He has made lots of money and even supports is wife, and that assisted her to survive here.

    Once she got PR, the shop was closed within months, the business ended, and it was onto the benefit, that is in part. I understand she is able to claim the accommodation supplement, and possibly more, as she has no real job, lives in part from proceeds from China, and has no nother income here.

    Add the many “massage establishments” all over New Zealand, and again I have insider info, and so many now have Mainland Chinese girls and women work there, while here on student or visitors visas. It used to be the Thai women that catered for clientele, but the cheaper Chinese have replaced them. Also add the many small shops that are run by Mainland Chinese, where they have their family work, but employ few if any Kiwis.

    I do not want to appear biased or racist, but there are a many rackets going on, especially by Mainland Chinese. As they are good at what they are doing in this way (cheating their way in), they do mostly not get caught. They also keep a solid wall of silence, so nobody whispers about what goes on.

    Apart from that I suppose that most Chinese coming here do so for honest and fair intentions, but there is sadly a strong element to be concerend about.

    The well-meaning left members do not realise at times the issues at stake, believing firmly in multiculturalism and liberalism. That is fair enough, but also bear in mind, your goodwill, same as that of many NZers, can easily be taken advantage of and abused.

    The example I refereed to is just one amongst many, as that source I have firmly assured me. Better not to talk too much about it, as it may have “harmful” consequences!

    PS:
    My absolutely reliable source, a true “fan” of chinese culture, also told me already years ago, that there are actually dozens, if not hundreds of “advisors” for Chinese migrants, having offices in Queen St, Auckland, who know all about delivering the (manicured and manipulated) documentation that will get Chinese migrants PR! Reason to worry, really, but who cares in “sell out NZ”???

  22. Chooky 22

    Thank God for an intelligent, informed comment! I think there is a great deal of naivety on the part of some well meaning New Zealanders bending over not to be ‘RACIST’. New Zealand is a haven , a heaven on earth, for many of these immigrants( who are not necessarily desirable citizens ,nor have they got here fairly)…and NZ wont stay that way if we have too many of them….this is not racism. I suggest some of the commentators on this site head for China with a backpack and observe how grossly overpopulated it is , and the quality of life and values( least they be taken for FOOLS!)…..better still visit Tibet, and talk to the Tibetans!.

    I am inclined to believe we have to protect the NZ paradise we have, ignore the money men, by all means accept genuine refugees and for the rest of the would be economic migrants and new money business ventures, only pick a few of the ones we really need and who genuinely want to and who will fit into New Zealand culture. They will become valued NZ citizens and there will be no racial tension. We owe this respect to ourselves and our children and our culture…. which is very vulnerable at the present time.

    Grossly overpopulated countries where human life is cheap and the environment degraded should sort out there own MAN made problems…. Good on Winston for standing up and speaking out !

  23. Red says way up thread “Or you could address the issues Peters actually raises:”

    I don’t think winston has credibility regarding any gambling issues, he was Minister of Horseys after all.

    And i don’t think it will be just Chinese that frequent that brothel.

    And I think any workers bought in for any industry or activity need to be protected from exploitation and not from the Chinese as many workers will already attest.

    IMO The fact is that this call is xenophobic and perhaps racist.

    A thought experiment – do you think he would be saying these things if, after a major ecological disaster in the UK a million people came here? (obviously that wouldn’t include the various people from colonised countries that have made their home there – oh no they would have to be “like us” lol) – I don’t think so.

    The only saving grace is that the debate isn’t based on people who have the faith of Islam – now that would really bring the bad side of people out.

    • Populuxe1 23.1

      A thought experiment that relies of subjective assumptions and no real data, which I think is usually referred to as a straw man.

      • marty mars 23.1.1

        A straw man or straw person, also known in the UK as an Aunt Sally,[1][2] is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent’s position.[3]
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

        A thought experiment or Gedankenexperiment (from German) considers some hypothesis, theory,[1] or principle for the purpose of thinking through its consequences.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_experiment

        Seems much closer to a thought experiment because of the thinking through of consequences aspect rather than a misrepresentation of an opponents position for the basis of argument, to me. I suppose I could have couched it in formal language for those that can’t see the wood for the trees like you pops, but I realise that you don’t really care anyway do you.

  24. vto 24

    Look, New Zealand has a great deal of experience in the arrival of unwelcome people from across the seas.

    What would Maori do? After all, they have been through it before.

    • Populuxe1 24.1

      And yet you have the nerve to question things like the presence of Kai Tahu in th eplanning of the Christchurch rebuild.

      • vto 24.1.1

        “And yet you have the nerve to question things like the presence of Kai Tahu in th eplanning of the Christchurch rebuild.”

        And there folks is the heart of the problem with race and related issues in NZ….

        Perhaps for your credibility pop you could expand on your “nerve” point there. What do you mean by that? Or is it clear that we the people are supposed to just sit down and shut up?

        (and as for the Ngai Tahu and RMA position in the central city rebuild – you failed spectacularly in any sense to understand what the issue was. Feel free to have another crack if you wish though)

        We mustn’t question things.
        We must bow down to greater powers.
        We must listen to those who know more.
        We must serve.
        We must remain in our pews.

        ffs

        • ghostrider888 24.1.1.1

          Master and Slave Morality, sorta’ captures all (most) really.

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  • Vote Choice: The Final Round-Up
    To round off our Vote Choice series, this week we profile the remaining party leaders; a veritable mix bag regarding their position on abortion ranging from the Green’s recent policy on decriminalisation to the not-quite-sure to the status quo –...
    ALRANZ | 14-09
  • Laundry Time: Dirty Politics Update
    Back in Mid-August, Colmar Brunton carried out a Snap Poll to gauge the public's immediate reaction to Nicky Hager's revelations in Dirty Politics. Conducted over the two days immediately following Hager's eagerly-awaited book launch, this Snap Poll of 500 respondents would have...
    Sub zero politics | 14-09
  • Can’t See the Wood for the Trees
    Right, so let me get this straight.The latest Colmar Brunton has National plunging 4 percentage points, with the Right Bloc (excluding Colin Craig's Conservatives) down by 2.At the same time, while Labour is mildly down (1 point), the Left Bloc...
    Sub zero politics | 14-09
  • What to do with the Central Wharves
    The Downtown Framework (18MB) was released last week and one of the interesting set of challenges to deal with is the Central Wharves. These are the finger wharves spread out across the core of the CBD from Princes Wharf in the...
    Transport Blog | 14-09
  • John Key’s Top 69 Lies: Today no. 5 They’re all wrong about the...
     John Key defends the GCSB bill  John Campbell: Are you saying Sir Bruce Fergusson, Sir Geoffrey Palmer and the Law Society and the Privacy Commissioner and the Human Rights Commission are all wrong? John Key: Yep. John Campbell: And Anne...
    Arch Rival | 14-09
  • Britain – doomed?
    No, not because the unruly Scots won't learn to behave, but because useless Tories are in charge. Trade deficits are running at near record levels and this is not a good thing.With the trade deficit widening, growth slowing, and unemployment...
    Left hand palm | 14-09
  • Am I turning Tory?
    Either I'm becoming old and conservative, or Peter Hitchens is starting to become less deranged, or something like that.No matter.  In a shocking development, the Mail has actually printed a referendum story that isn't actually anti-independence. Further portents of the...
    Left hand palm | 14-09
  • Greenwald vs Key
    Originally posted on The Dim-Post:The ‘Moment of Truth’ is tonight. Greenwald will release his documents and then Key has announced that he’ll declassify documents disproving whatever it is that Greenwald proves. I found this timeline in the Dom-Post helpful: November...
    Politically Corrected | 14-09
  • Greenwald vs Key
    The ‘Moment of Truth’ is tonight. Greenwald will release his documents and then Key has announced that he’ll declassify documents disproving whatever it is that Greenwald proves. I found this timeline in the Dom-Post helpful: November 2011 – Two un-named...
    DimPost | 14-09
  • Greenwald vs Key
    The ‘Moment of Truth’ is tonight. Greenwald will release his documents and then Key has announced that he’ll declassify documents disproving whatever it is that Greenwald proves. I found this timeline in the Dom-Post helpful: November 2011 – Two un-named...
    DimPost | 14-09
  • Next 10 things for Business Growth Agenda
    Press Release – New Zealand National Party The National Party has today laid out the 10 highest priorities for its Business Growth Agenda over the next three years as it works to lift New Zealand’s long-term growth rate and create...
    Its our future | 14-09
  • Six days left to
    Spotted Alexandra Street, Hamilton...
    Politically Corrected | 14-09
  • Gordon Campbell on the Glenn Greenwald revelations
    All that hanging out with the All Blacks clearly hasn’t taught Prime Minister John Key a thing about the ethics of playing the ball, and not the man. Still, in slagging off Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist Glenn Greenwald as...
    Gordon Campbell | 14-09
  • Gordon Campbell on the Glenn Greenwald revelations
    Column – Gordon Campbell All that hanging out with the All Blacks clearly hasnt taught Prime Minister John Key a thing about the ethics of playing the ball, and not the man. Still, in slagging off Pulitzer Prize winning investigative...
    Its our future | 14-09
  • 2014 SkS Weekly Digest #37
    SkS Highlights 97 hours of consensus: caricatures and quotes from 97 scientists by John Cook attracted the most comments of the articles posted on SkS during the past week. In addition, the 97 Hours campaign was widely acclaimed and promoted by...
    Skeptical Science | 14-09
  • Not the Six O’clock News – Laila Harré talks with Glenn Greenw...
    ...
    The Jackal | 14-09
  • Is Whale Oil a journalist (3)?
    Yes. Yes, he is. The High Court says so, as Whale Oil points out triumphantly. Like the good journalist he is, he even shows us the evidence: para 145 of Justice Asher’s judgment. Mr Slater then goes on to demonstrate...
    Media Law Journal | 14-09
  • Lincoln Rd consultation feedback
    Between last November and February this year Auckland Transport ran consultation for a plan to further widen Lincoln Rd. It’s a road I’m particularly familiar with seeing as I use it regularly. The upgrade seeks to widen Lincoln Road to provide an...
    Transport Blog | 14-09
  • O Mary!
    U2 has been in the news lately … which reminded me of  Mary J Blige …...
    The Paepae | 14-09
  • You really should watch this interview with Glenn Greenwald, despite the sm...
    It’s easy to fall for a rapid PR ‘framing’ response, especially from an experienced spin team like Prime Minister John Key’s media machine. This comment seems a fair description of what happens: Mr Key has been very quick with the...
    The Paepae | 14-09
  • Vote Positive Bus at Ratana
    As the Big Red Labour bus drove through the small streets of Ratana (home of the Maori Ratana faith, a Maori church teaching Christian doctrine) the locals couldn’t have been more delighted.  We had finally arrived to meet up with...
    Labour campaign | 14-09
  • Has Garth McVicar handed Napier to Labour?
    About a month ago, I predicted that Stuart Nash would win Napier with a majority of 3,000, almost reversing the existing 3,701 majority achieved by retiring National incumbent Chris Tremain. With regards to Garth McVicar throwing his hat in to...
    Occasionally erudite | 14-09
  • Something To Listen To As We Head For “The Moment Of Truth”
      ALREADY, the arrival of Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, Glenn Greenwald (a.k.a. "Kim Dotcom's little henchman") has afforded New Zealanders another disturbing glimpse of the man behind the Prime-Ministerial mask.  Even more will be revealed tomorrow at the Auckland Town Hall.  Doors open...
    Bowalley Road | 13-09
  • John Key’s Top 69 Lies: Today no. 6: I haven’t seen Ian Fletcher in...
    ...
    Arch Rival | 13-09
  • Poll of Polls update – 14 September 2014
    For some reason, Fairfax have delayed the release of their 11 September 2014 Ipsos poll to this morning (the Ipsos Polling Station on Stuff even calls it their “September 11 2014 Poll”). It’s almost standard these days to describe each new...
    Occasionally erudite | 13-09
  • Speaker: The End of Trust
    If there’s one thing I’ve learned reading the Dirty Politics book and associated stories, emails, blog posts, tweets and rants, it’s that I’ve got a thing or two to learn about PR.This worries me somewhat, because while I’ve only been...
    Public Address | 13-09
  • I was, of course, completely right
    According to a new book by Naomi Klein, described in the Guardian, it turns out that Richard Branson's much publicised attempts to green his humungeous planet wrecking fleet of aircraft was just hot air.(See what I did there?)I, of course,...
    Left hand palm | 13-09
  • Raising the minimum wage
    Labour and the Greens have both committed to raising the minimum wage in government. During the last leaders’ debate I got a few tweets from people insisting that raising the minimum wage would obviously kill all small business in New...
    Boots Theory | 13-09
  • A coalition with Winston Peters
    NZ First leader Winston Peters and Green party co-leader Russel Norman.I'm not sure how to break the news to all those desperate right wingers out there wanting the NZ First party to form a coalition government with National, but, despite...
    The Jackal | 13-09
  • Caption Competition: Gerry and Julie
    On Friday Night Prime TV’s Prime Time with Shaun Plunket hosted a debate on transport with Gerry Brownlee, Julie Anne Genter, Cameron Pitches and Ken Shirley (CEO of the Road Transport Forum). You can watch the discussion here. There wasn’t anything new...
    Transport Blog | 13-09
  • Welcome to Glenn Greenwald…
    . My welcome to visiting journalist, Glenn Greenwald; .   . Key’s comments to this man have been nothing less than shameful.This is how our Prime Minister deals to journalists he can’t control or manipulate; . . So much for...
    Frankly Speaking | 13-09
  • Welcome to Glenn Greenwald…
    . My welcome to visiting journalist, Glenn Greenwald; .   . Key’s comments to this man have been nothing less than shameful.This is how our Prime Minister deals to journalists he can’t control or manipulate; . . So much for...
    Frankly Speaking | 13-09
  • Sharples’ new appointments are out of order
    The new appointments to the Waitangi Tribunal announced by Dr Pita Sharples this morning are completely out of order given the election is just five days away, says Labour's State Services spokesperson, Maryan Street. “This Government continues to show disdain...
    Labour | 15-09
  • MANA Movement Housing Policy
    “When families are living in cars, garages, cockroach-infested caravans and three families to a house then we have a housing crisis”, said MANA leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Hone Harawira. “When you have a housing crisis for low-income...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Bigger than the Foreshore and Seabed – Sykes
    “Over the past week I have received some disturbing information that has led myself and a number of Maori lawyers to conclude that this National - Maori Party - ACT and United Future Government are going to put an end to both...
    Mana | 14-09
  • MANA wants Te Reo Māori petition fulfilled
    Hone Harawira, MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Annette Sykes, MANA candidate for Waiariki Te Hāmua Nikora, MANA candidate for Ikaroa Rāwhiti  “More than four decades have passed and the petition calling for Te Reo Māori in schools...
    Mana | 14-09
  • Primary focus on the critical issues
    A Labour Government will prioritise New Zealand’s agricultural sectors by recreating a Rural Affairs Minister and appointing a Primary Industry Council and a Chief Agricultural Adviser. Releasing Labour’s Primary Sector and Rural Affairs policies today, spokesperson Damien O’Connor says the...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Maori Television fears confirmed – Harawira
    ...
    Mana | 12-09
  • More ghost houses from National
    The Government’s desperate pre-election announcement of more ghost houses won’t fool Aucklanders wanting action on the housing crisis, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “These are ghost houses, to go with National’s ghost tax cut. Families cannot live in ghost...
    Labour | 12-09
  • National bows to union pressure over travel time
    National has reluctantly bowed to pressure from unions and adopted Labour’s fair and sensible policy to pay home support workers for the time they spend traveling between clients, Labour’s Associate Health spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. “This decision is long overdue...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Predators on Poverty – Harawira
    “As poverty has ballooned out of control, the Predators on Poverty have emerged to suck the lifeblood from whole families and communities” said MANA Movement leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira. “They are deliberately targeting low-income areas, particularly those...
    Mana | 11-09
  • MANA Movement Policy Launch
    Predators on Poverty (pokie machines, alcohol outlets and loan sharks) 1pm, Thursday 11th September Corner Great South Road and Criterion Street Otahuhu Shopping Centre...
    Mana | 10-09
  • Eliminating Poverty – Sir Edmund Hillary Collegiate, Otara | Internet MAN...
    A campaign to Eliminate Poverty, Feed the Kids, build more houses, and create thousands of new jobs, was outlined by Internet MANA at a public meeting in Otara this evening. When MANA and the Internet Party first sat down to...
    Mana | 09-09
  • Housing in Waiariki – Sykes
    Fact:  Under this National-Maori Party-ACT-United Future Government 61% of Maori in Waiariki do not own their own home and nearly 70% of Maori rentals in Waiariki pay $200 or more per week. “Maori in Waiariki have low rates of home ownership...
    Mana | 09-09
  • Charter school crisis shows time to axe costly experiment
    Dysfunction from day one at a Northland charter school shows it is time to dump this costly and failed experiment by the National-ACT Government, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Te Kura Hourua ki Whangaruru received $27,000 in government funding...
    Labour | 08-09
  • Labour will crack down on loan sharks
    A Labour Government will crack down on predatory loan sharks by making it illegal both to charge exorbitant interest rates and to exploit uninformed borrowers, Labour’s Consumer Affairs Spokesperson Carol Beaumont says. Labour today released its Consumer Affairs policy which...
    Labour | 08-09
  • Let’s do the FEED before the weed
    “Last week I put out a very strongly worded email to my colleagues about an online promotion about cannabis law reform” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira “and I stand by that criticism today.” My concern was...
    Mana | 08-09
  • TE KAEA and NATIVE AFFAIRS live to fight another day
    “I understand that both the chair of the Board of Maori Television, Georgina Te Heuheu, and new CEO, Paora Maxwell, are now saying that my comments this morning about their plans to cut Te Kaea and Native Affairs, were wrong, and that...
    Mana | 08-09
  • How come the PM only pays 2.8% of his income in tax – Harawira
    “Before John Key talks about the piddling tax cuts he plans for low and middle income families today he needs to explain why he only pays 2.8% of his income on tax while a minimum wage worker pays 28% tax,”...
    Mana | 07-09
  • THE DEATH OF INDEPENDENCE FOR MAORI TV
    “If what I’m hearing is true, tomorrow Maori Television Service (MTS) will dump its news programme, Te Kaea, and staff will lose their jobs” said MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Hone Harawira “and the Minister of Maori...
    Mana | 07-09
  • Labour recommits to Pike River families
    An incoming Labour-led government will do everything possible to recover the bodies of the Pike River Miners and return them to their families, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “This tragedy and its aftermath has left the families of the 29...
    Labour | 06-09
  • Voting has started and still no tax plan or fiscal budget for voters to see
    "Even though voting for the election has already begun, National still refuses to provide any details of its proposed tax cuts. And Bill English admitted this morning that he won’t provide any specifics until after the election", Labour’s Finance spokesperson...
    Labour | 06-09
  • National’s partners’ tax plans cost at least $42 billion
    If National forms the next government its partners’ tax plans will cost the country at least $42 billion, and maybe as much as $50 billion, wreaking havoc with the books, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker. “National claims to be...
    Labour | 05-09
  • Labour: Providing more opportunities for young Kiwis
    A Labour Government will ensure every young Kiwi under the age of 20 is given the opportunity to be in work, education or training, and plans to develop a conservation apprenticeship scheme to help do that, Labour’s Youth Affairs spokesperson...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Candles out on teachers’ slice of birthday cake
    Today may be Novopay’s second birthday, but there’s little to celebrate, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Novopay has cost the taxpayer tens of millions of dollars already, and the cost is still climbing....
    Labour | 04-09
  • National’s blatant broadband pork barrelling misses the mark by a country...
    National’s blatant pork-barrelling ICT announcement today should reinforce a growing sceptical electorate’s view that they are all about the gift wrap and not the present, Labour’s ICT spokesperson Clare Curran says. “Instead of addressing the real issues - the woeful...
    Labour | 04-09
  • More evidence of the need to clean up the system
    The latest release of emails and messages between disgraced Minister Judith Collins and blogger Cameron Slater are more evidence of the urgent need to clean up politics, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. "This new evidence confirms a near constant flow...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Labour commits to stable funding for voluntary sector
    A Labour Government will establish long-term funding and streamline contract accountability for community and voluntary groups, says Labour’s spokesperson for the sector Louisa Wall. Announcing Labour’s policy for the community and voluntary sector, she said this would give much greater...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Better trained and skilled workforce under Labour
    Labour is committed to a skilled workforce that benefits businesses as well as their workers, and will increase workplace training to improve productivity and drive innovation, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Labour believes the Government should support New Zealanders into...
    Labour | 03-09
  • Labour will make renting a better option
    Labour will provide greater security of tenure for renters, and build more state and social housing, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour believes every kid deserves a decent start in life. That means a warm, dry and secure home....
    Labour | 03-09
  • At least 15 new taxes under National
    John Key is the last person to talk about creating taxes, presiding over a Government that has imposed at least 15 new taxes, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “John Key tried a novel line in the debate last night claiming...
    Labour | 03-09
  • Labour will strengthen New Zealand’s democracy
    A Labour Government will act quickly to protect and enhance New Zealand’s reputation as one of the most open and least corrupt countries in the world, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “The health of any democracy is improved by greater...
    Labour | 02-09
  • MANA Movement says tax cut on GST must be first priority – Minto
    “If Prime Minister John Key has money available for tax cuts then cutting GST must be the first priority”,  said MANA Movement Economic Justice Spokesperson John Minto. GST is a nasty tax on low-income families”, said Minto. “People in the...
    Mana | 02-09
  • The Maori Party’s Mana-Enhancing Relationship with National – Minto
    “First we had Cameron Slater and David Farrar backing Labour’s Kelvin Davis bid to unseat MANA Movement Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Hone Harawira.  Now we have Slater writing a pro-Te Ururoa Flavell article on his website, Whale...
    Mana | 02-09
  • There’s Only One Poll That Counts
    “One of the oldest sayings in politics is that there is only one poll that counts – the one on Election Day – and that’s the one that I am focusing on” remarked the MANA Movement candidate for Waiariki, Annette...
    Mana | 02-09
  • Local communities critical to Civil Defence
    Labour will focus on empowering New Zealand communities to be resilient in Civil Defence disasters, says Labour’s Civil Defence spokesperson Clare Curran. Announcing Labour’s Civil Defence policy, she says that Labour will work with schools, voluntary agencies and community groups...
    Labour | 02-09
  • Labour looks to long-life passports, gambling harm review
    A return to 10 year passports and a review of gambling laws are highlights of Labour’s Internal Affairs policy released today. “More than 15,000 New Zealanders signed a petition calling on the Government to revert to the 10 year system...
    Labour | 02-09
  • MANA Movement Leadership stands strong behind Internet MANA relationship
    “There is now, and always will be, a range of views about many issues within our movement and members are free to express them, but Georgina’s views on Kim Dotcom are not shared by the MANA Movement leadership or the vast majority...
    Mana | 01-09
  • Rebuilding the New Zealand Defence Force
    A Labour Government will make it a priority to rebuild the capacity of the Defence Force to carry out the tasks expected of it, says Labour’s Defence Spokesperson Phil Goff. Releasing Labour’s Defence Policy today he said the NZDF has...
    Labour | 01-09
  • Speech to Canterbury Chamber of Commerce
    Today I'm going to talk about our policy package to upgrade and grow our economy and how we turn that growth into a foundation for a decent and fair society. But first I want to address the issue of our...
    Labour | 01-09
  • Commission of Inquiry must have bipartisan support
    The Labour Party is drafting terms of reference for a Commission of Inquiry, Labour’s Shadow Attorney-General David Parker says. “It is abundantly clear there is a need for an independent Commission of Inquiry, chaired by a High Court Judge, into...
    Labour | 01-09
  • Rapid Transit to unclog Christchurch
    Labour will build a 21st century Rapid Transit system for Christchurch, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “The long delayed recovery of Christchurch hinges on a modern commuter system for the city. “We will invest $100 million in a modern rail plan...
    Labour | 31-08
  • Labour’s commitment to public broadcasting
    A Labour Government will set up a working group to re-establish a public service television station as part of our commitment to ensuring New Zealand has high quality free-to-air local content. “We will set up a working group to report...
    Labour | 31-08
  • A new deal for the conservation estate
    The health of our economy depends on New Zealand preserving and restoring our land, air, water and indigenous wildlife, says Labour’s Conservation spokesperson Ruth Dyson. Announcing Labours Conservation policy, she said that there will be a comprehensive plan to restore...
    Labour | 31-08
  • Labour’s plan to end homelessness
    Labour has a comprehensive approach to end homelessness starting with the provision of emergency housing for 1000 people each year and putting an end to slum conditions in boarding houses, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Labour believes that homelessness is not...
    Labour | 30-08
  • Labour: A smarter approach to justice
    A Labour Government will improve the justice system to ensure it achieves real public safety, provides equal access to justice and protects human rights, Labour’s Justice spokesperson Andrew Little says. “Our approach is about tackling the root causes of crime, recognising...
    Labour | 29-08
  • Labour to foster Kiwi love of sport and the great outdoors
    A Labour Government will promote physical activity, back our top athletes and help foster Kiwis’ love of the great outdoors by upgrading tramping and camping facilities. Trevor Mallard today released Labour’s sports and recreation policy which will bring back a...
    Labour | 29-08
  • Pacific languages recognised under Labour
    Labour will act to recognise the five main Pacific languages in New Zealand including through the education system, said Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. Announcing Labour’s Pacific Island policy he said that there must be a strong commitment to...
    Labour | 29-08
  • No healthy economy without a healthy environment
    Labour recognises that we cannot have a healthy economy without a healthy environment, says Environment spokesperson Moana Mackey announcing Labour’s environment policy. “New Zealand’s economy has been built on the back of the enormous environmental wealth we collectively enjoy as...
    Labour | 28-08
  • Better protection, fairer deal for Kiwi consumers
    Tackling excessive prices, ensuring consumers have enough information to make ethical choices and giving the Commerce Commission more teeth are highlights of Labour’s Consumer Rights policy. “The rising cost of living is a concern for thousands of Kiwi families. A...
    Labour | 28-08
  • Media Advisory – MANA Movement Candidate for Waiariki Annette Sykes, Waia...
    Media are advised that this coming weekend, the MANA Movement Candidate for Waiariki, Annette Sykes, will be on the Internet MANA Road Trip within the electorate of Waiariki. Speakers confirmed are Annette Sykes, Hone Harawira, John Minto, Laila Harre and Kim...
    Mana | 27-08
  • Internet MANA – Waiariki Road Trip: 29, 30, 31 Aug 2014
    The Internet MANA Road Trip hits Waiariki this weekend. It would be great if all MANA members in Waiariki could especially attend the public meetings and show their support for our Waiariki candidate Annette Sykes. Confirmed speakers Hone Harawira (except Taupo), Annette...
    Mana | 27-08
  • Henchmen
    Henchmen...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Why it simply isn’t credible that Key stepped in and shut down the mass s...
    Key’s staggering admission that yes there was a year long business model by the GCSB to mass spy on all of NZ but  that he stepped in and shut it down after Cabinet had signed it off just sounds like make...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • John Key’s love affair with a straw man
    Politicians like putting up straw men for the purpose of self-righteously knocking them over. Prime Minister John Key has a particular straw man he loves to punch over. He raises it whenever he’s asked about mass surveillance of New Zealanders...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • John Armstrong turns on Glenn Greenwald
    Where does a mediocre journalist like John Armstrong get off attacking a journalist with the credibility of Glenn Greenwald as he has in his ridiculous column today? Armstrong has the audacity to try and play the terrorism card to justify why...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Denis Tegg – Which of John Key’s many statements on the GC...
    We already have Glenn Greenwald’s assertion on The Nation that John Key has misled New Zealanders as to whether the GCSB has engaged in mass surveillance of Kiwis. But Key has made many other statements about the GCSB’s powers and...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Election 2014: Numbers and Faces
    Democratic politics is a game of numbers and faces. How can we translate the numbers into the 120 or more faces that will be in the next Parliament? Below is my prediction of a likely result: 120 people, divided by...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Scotland the brave
    The possibility that Scotland will vote for independence this Thursday has panicked the British establishment. An unholy alliance of Tory, Labour, Liberal and corporate leaders has resorted to fear-mongering and bullying on grand scale in a last ditch effort to...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Why Key’s denials sound so off and why Dotcom’s fight is all our fight
    The shrillness of Key is the issue. His denials just too forced and rehearsed. Key has gone from Hollow Man to Shallow Man with his lashing out at Pulitzer Price winning Journalist Glenn Greenwald by calling him a ‘henchman’. This...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Letters to the Editor – Spies, Lies, Five Eyes, and other matters on a S...
    . . Sharing a few thoughts and observations with newspaper editors around the country… . from: Frank Macskasy <fmacskasy@gmail.com>to: Sunday Star Times <letters@star-times.co.nz>date: Sun, Sep 14, 2014 subject: Letter to the Editor . The Editor Sunday Star Times . Our...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Letters to the Editor – Spies, Lies, Five Eyes, and other matters on a Su...
    . . Sharing a few thoughts and observations with newspaper editors around the country… . from: Frank Macskasy <fmacskasy@gmail.com>to: Sunday Star Times <letters@star-times.co.nz>date: Sun, Sep 14, 2014 subject: Letter to the Editor . The Editor Sunday Star Times . Our...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • As TDB predicted, Labour to use universal super fund to buy back assets and...
    Greens about to be snookered again?   As The Daily Blog has pointed out several times now, Labour will use a universal super fund to buy back NZs assets in a bid to offer Winston a legacy project… Labour plans...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • A lesson in caring for our most vulnerable
    Some of the comments on this article make me sick. Because I am so very much over people who think they are better than others because things have gone their way in life and think those who aren’t as functional...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – Please vote positive
    One of the features of campaigning is the meet-the-candidates event.  As an opportunity to present policies to the voter, they aren’t the best vehicle but still serve a useful purpose.  The problem is that there are too many candidates and...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • For this who don’t vote this election
    For this who don’t vote this election...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • Where does Key get off abusing a Pulitzer prize winning Journalist like Gle...
    We are seeing the Dirty Politics PM today when Key decided the best way to counter the Glenn Greenwald claims of GCSB mass surveillance was to denigrate Greenwald… Prime Minister John Key says he will prove Glenn Greenwald’s claims by the...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • Teflon Man No More
    . .   On 26 August, as Nicky Hager’s expose on New Zealand’s right wing politics hit public consciousness and confirmed our worst fears, I wrote, “Dirty Politics” has achieved more than simply revealing  unwholesome machinations between National party apparatchiks,...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • Dear mainstream media – regarding Key’s promise to resign if GCSB expos...
    Dear Mainstream media. How’s it all going? I would like to acknowledge the deep depression many members of the Press Gallery are going through as their boy Key looks less and less likely to win. I appreciate how a loss...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • It’s official: ACT’s Jamie Whyte is several-sandwiches-and-a-salad sho...
    .   . There aren’t very many times I agree wholeheartedly with our Dear Leader – but on this occassion I believe he spoke for those 99% of New Zealanders for whom common sense is as natural as breathing air....
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • ‘I’ll not be intimidated … by cowards’, says Fiji death threat jour...
    Fiji Sun’s Jyoti Pratibha … death threats via fake Facebook profiles. Image: Pacific Scoop THE PARIS-based media freedom advocacy organisation Reporters Sans Frontières and the Pacific Media Centre have condemned threats and intimidation against political reporters this week covering Fiji’s...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • Glenn Greenwald on TV3s ‘The Nation’ – Everyone remember when Key pro...
    Glenn Greenwald has just given his first NZ interview on TV3s ‘The Nation’ and what he had to say was incredibly damaging. Glenn is here for Kim Dotcom’s Moment of Truth on Monday and what he has just had to...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • What will soft National vote do, why Colin Craig will be a focus in final w...
    In what has been the most unpredictable elections of our time, the final week promises more shocks and bombshells than World War One trench warfare. We have the media who still have the Rawshark emails that detail the Ede-Slater exchanges....
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • Would a National-Conservative Party reduce rights to an abortion? Legalise ...
    With the possibility of a Conservative-National Party coalition looming, let’s consider the impact of this new hard right religious Government on social policy. We know Conservative Party candidate Edward Saafi, believes the inability to legally bash your kids is responsible for teenage prostitution, teenage pregnancy and...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • ACTs solution to crime – more guns?
    How insane are the ACT Party? Honestly? Their solution to crime is to arm every shop keeper with a sawn off shotgun??? “Criminals are well aware that shopkeepers are defenceless and are taking advantage of this in brutal robberies. What...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • John Key’s gift to teenage girls…
    Yesterday I was at the MANA Movement policy release on “Predators on Poverty” in the Otahuhu Shopping Centre. Successive Labour and National governments have left vulnerable communities on their own to face these merciless thieves who prey on the poor...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • Poverty denial – Where does National get its advice from?
    National is displaying a quite inadequate understanding of their own policies and worrying inability to respond to criticism. When John Key trots out his old, tired example of how ‘work pays’ on Morning Report this week to justify leaving 260,000...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • Education reformers mean well, so what’s the problem?
    The thing about education reformers is that, mostly, they mean well. Whether it’s charter schools, National Standards, Teach First, or another reform, many people involved have good intentions.  They want to improve things, try something new and innovate, they say. The thing...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • My brain hurts
    My brain hurts.  This election year has been a really long nine months.  The lies, the headlines, the spin, the policy, the chat, I am literally overloaded with information.  At times it’s been exhausting trying to keep up.  However I...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • Slater loses Blomfield defamation case – has to pays costs & must dis...
    Great victory for Journalism today. The Defamation case Matt Blomfield took against Slater has jumped its first hurdle, Slater has been told he might be a ‘Journalist’, but he has no right to journalistic protection of his sources because there was no...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • Seeing an Economic Vision
    It has been some time since my last post to TDB. I was fortunate to recently come back to NZ briefly for a bit of a break from my work in Pakistan. While my visit was super short, I took...
    The Daily Blog | 11-09
  • 5 reasons why anyone identifying as Left with a capital L should party vote...
    There are 5 reasons why anyone identifying as Left with a capital L should consider casting their party vote for Internet MANA this election. 1 – Feed the Kids: There is no excuses now that National have flirted with the idea...
    The Daily Blog | 11-09
  • What I want from a change of government
    The prospects for a change of government look a little brighter so I though I’d look at what we can expect. The only option being provided by Labour, the main opposition party, is for a Labour, Green, NZ First coalition....
    The Daily Blog | 11-09
  • Why is the “Progressive” Coalition so Regressive?
    Have you ever, when parallel parking, got yourself wedged into the curb? The car in front is centimetres away and your rear wheel is touching the curb at an angle. This is a metaphor for the state of economic policy-making...
    The Daily Blog | 11-09
  • Of course the Greens could work with National
    A warm soy latte with John Key?   Sharp in take of breath moment as TVNZ last night reported Greens could work with National post the election if National win. It’s a smart move. The Greens are so viciously anti-tribal...
    The Daily Blog | 11-09
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Quality of Journalism
    “Skilled journos getting unwarranted shit from hack bloggers & online warriors could earn big $ in PR/marketing, so thank you for what you do”. As this tweet rolled across my screen this morning the irony had me rolling my eyes. Why on...
    The Daily Blog | 11-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – #BlueGreen2014 – Or: The Media Jetskiis O...
    During Thursday’s iteration of One News, I was virtually shocked off my seat to hear a reasonably well-known political pundit slash nominal “journalist” prognosticating about the likelihood of the Green Party “switching gear” on its electoral strategy … and deciding...
    The Daily Blog | 11-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Michael Wood – Winning on the Economy
    One of the great tricks of the right over the past twenty years has been to desiccate debate about our economy. ‘The economy’ is spoken about as if it is an independent entity, divorced from the realm of democratic politics...
    The Daily Blog | 11-09
  • GUEST BLOG – Curwen Rolinson – They’re tryna build a prison system ...
    Well, at least we now know how National intends to deliver that extra hundred and fifty thousand jobs they’ve promised us. Although on sixty cents an hour, it’s not *quite* the reasonable pay packet – or, hell, living wage that...
    The Daily Blog | 11-09
  • 5AA Australia: NZ General Election is in full swing September 11 2014
    5AA Australia: Selwyn Manning and Peter Godfrey discuss the fallout from the dirty politics revelations and also how the political leaders are fairing. The NZ General Election is in full swing. Since we last talked, the fallout from the dirty...
    The Daily Blog | 11-09
  • If it barks like a dog…
    If it barks like a dog…...
    The Daily Blog | 11-09
  • The obscenity of National’s tax cuts
    It should be an abhorrence in a nation that once prided itself on its egalitarianism that National want to borrow another $500 million per year while 250 000 – 285 000 children live in poverty. There are two reasons why...
    The Daily Blog | 10-09
  • National’s work prison gulags
    All jails to become ‘working prisons’ under NationalMore prisoners will be put to work and ex-prisoners will receive post-release drug addiction treatment if National is returned to government. Corrections Spokesperson Anne Tolley says the working prisons model will be expanded...
    The Daily Blog | 10-09
  • Top 10 questions if the Conservative Party get over 5%
    1. If the Conservative Party get over 5% do we automatically go back to 1950? 2. If the Conservative Party get over 5% will  the National Anthem be changed from “God defend NZ’ to “God God God” 3. If the...
    The Daily Blog | 10-09
  • BackBenches Auckland Election special & TV3 Leaders debate review
    Fascinating time at the Auckland election special of BackBenches this year. I was at the filming in 2011 and it was a very different beast. I remember in 2011 a sea of blue. Team Key acolytes were everywhere, there was...
    The Daily Blog | 10-09
  • EXCLUSIVE: Was the Donghua Liu Affair another example of Dirty Politics?
    . . – Frank Macskasy & ‘Hercules’ What appears to be an orchestrated  Beehive plot to dig dirt for throwing at Labour leader, David Cunliffe, ahead of a crucial parliamentary debate is revealed in a paper trail linking Immigration Minister,...
    The Daily Blog | 10-09
  • Public interest at risk more than business interests this election
    This election is not just about which political party wins. It’s about the privilege of multinational corporates, including the all-powerful media. It’s about access to minerals and resources needed to prop up the prevailing economic order and to stave off...
    The Daily Blog | 10-09
  • Green Pasifika candidates
    In the last couple of elections the Greens have stood Rev Mua Strickson-Pua as their candidate in Mangere. A well known personality in the Pacific community, often seen by many as a little eccentric. I’ve enjoyed seeing Rev Strickson-Pua make...
    The Daily Blog | 10-09
  • BLOGWATCH: Gordon Campbell’s 19 reasons Why We Can’t Afford Another Nat...
    National Party Billboard if it was honest   The ever brilliant Gordon Campbell over at Werewolf has put together 19 reasons why we can’t afford another National Government. I highly recommend you read the entire thing – his 19 reasons...
    The Daily Blog | 10-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – Sandy Smiles
    The man tapped the glass with his pen at two minutes and I wound up my less than positive comments about the MPs who’d betrayed the Whangarei Electorate. It’s hard to stay on-message when looking at the state of this...
    The Daily Blog | 10-09
  • Purity and Power: Chris Trotter critiques John Armstrong’s advice to the ...
    WHAT AN EXTRAORDINARY COLUMN from John Armstrong! There have been many this year, but his latest (10/9/14) stands out because of the cynical amorality underpinning the writer’s political analysis. “The Greens face an old dilemma”, opines the NZ Herald’s Chief Political...
    The Daily Blog | 10-09
  • BLOGWATCH: The audacity of David Farrar
    Cry us a river David! The audacity of Farrar slagging off Nicky Hager today is almost delusional.  The bore of Babylon claims that we on the left hate the right having strong voices. Oh pa-lease! Despite Farrar masquerading as lite right...
    The Daily Blog | 09-09
  • Final decision on Ruakura Development Plan Change
    The independent Board of Inquiry considering the Ruakura Development Plan Change has released its final report and decision. The Board has approved the plan change request but with amendments....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Confirmed – Smacking Law Needs Correction
    Family First NZ says that the ONE News Vote Compass survey showing only 23% support the anti-smacking law is no surprise, and confirms that it’s time the politicians listened to New Zealand families....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Kiwi voters urged to heed warnings
    Kiwi voters would do well to note the advice given this week to Queensland people by retired judge and renowned corruption fighter Tony Fitzgerald, according to Democrats for Social Credit health spokesman David Tranter....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Fisheries policy analysis produces surprising results
    Nine political party policies were analysed to determine which party had the most public friendly fisheries policy and the results surprised LegaSea, an apolitical fisheries lobby group. “For the first time, recreational fishers have been offered...
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • $3m to help keep Hutt families healthy
    National Party candidate for Hutt South, Chris Bishop, welcomes news Hutt City Council has been selected to lead a $3 million anti-obesity initiative in Lower Hutt which will help families improve their health. “Healthy Families NZ is National’s new...
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Community organisations struggling
    The survey, conducted by community sector network ComVoices, highlights the high level of frustration and urgency being felt by those who deliver services, says group Chairperson, Peter Glensor. 311 organisations completed the survey....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • NZ 2014 Election Index – 6-11 September
    Below is iSentia’s weekly Election Index for the period 6 to 11 September, showing the relative amount of coverage of nine Party Leaders in the lead up to the National Election across news media and social media. We will publish...
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • Workers despair at Nationals lack of fairness
    “Nationals Workplaces policy, released today, fails to articulate any vison about how life for working New Zealanders can be improved.” CTU President Helen Kelly said. “Again if this policy focusses on removing work rights, its own documents...
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • National tries to dodge the discussion on workers’ rights
    New Zealanders deserve a proper conversation about National’s plans to keep undermining the real value of their wages and conditions at work. “Today National has released a ‘workplace policy’ which will further widen the imbalance of power between...
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • Didn’t Get Your Easyvote Pack? You Need to Enrol Now.
    If you didn’t get an EasyVote pack in the mail last week, you need to check your enrolment now as you may not be enrolled....
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • Survey shows television without adverts could be vote winner
    Survey shows television without adverts could be a vote winner Television news focuses too much on politicians' personalities and not enough on the real issues, according to a UMR survey commissioned by the Coalition for Better Broadcasting....
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • Which of Key’s many statements will Greenwald challenge?
    John Key's credibility and honesty will be tested on many more GCSB issues than whether there was / is mass surveillance of New Zealanders by the GCSB. I have put together this by no means comprehensive list of Key's statements...
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • 4th tranche of Auckland Housing Accord licenses sprawl
    Youth organisation, Generation Zero, is appalled at the next stage of the Auckland Housing Accord, released today, as it is once again focussed on urban sprawl. The fourth tranche of 41 Special Housing Areas (SHAs), allows for 8000 dwellings, nearly...
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • New funding to support high value food exports
    Auckland, New Zealand. 15 September 2014...Plant & Food Research has received funding for two new projects in the latest government science investment round....
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • National, Greens Big Movers on Bribe-O-Meter
    The Taxpayers’ Union has updated its election policy 'Bribe-O-Meter’ to reflect the cost of recent campaign promises. The update takes into account Labour’s new fiscal tables and all announcements up to Friday and is based on numbers provided...
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • Policy Costing Expert Questions ‘NZ Power’ Numbers
    Dr Michael Dunn, engaged by the Taxpayers’ Union to provide the figures for the 'Bribe-O-Meter' election costing website , is questioning the Labour Party’s costing of it’s flagship "NZ Power” policy....
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • Meet the Real Colin Craig
    Watching Conservative Party leader Colin Craig struggling to explain his tax policy on The Nation this morning finally revealed that he is making dishonest promises....
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • Lifetime Achiever Generous of Investment in Whanau Ora
    Earlier this month, Maori Party's Te Tai Tonga and Christchurch based candidate, Ngaire Button, said she was rapt local hero, Tihi Puanaki, was named Regional Winner of the Pride of NZ 2014, Lifetime Achievement Award. Button is clearly delighted...
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • Bigger than the Foreshore And Seabed
    “Over the past week I have received some disturbing information that has led myself and a number of Maori lawyers to conclude that this National - Maori Party - ACT and United Future Government are going to put an end...
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • New Zealand’s participation in Five Eyes
    “Our policy is we're committing to a full review of all of New Zealand's security services. We will be repealing the GCSB legislation and we will replace it with something that is guaranteed to be more protective of New Zealanders...
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • Once in a Lifetime travels north!
    After Once in a Lifetime ’s packed launch and sold-out panel discussion at the Christchurch Word Writers and Readers Festival, members of the editorial team are presenting the book to Auckland and Wellington audiences, in an attempt to increase...
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • Q+A: The role of the GCSB and our participation
    Green Party co-leader Russel Norman told TV One’s Q+A programme that they would close Waihopai and review the role of the GCSB and our participation in Five Eyes....
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • NZ First poll shows Labour coalition more likely than ever
    New Zealand First’s East Coast candidate, Mere Takoko, has revealed that her party’s internal polling shows Labour’s Moana Mackey is just 2 percent away from winning the East Coast electorate seat from incumbent Anne Tolley....
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • iPredict Daily Update
    Initial allegations made by journalist Glenn Greenwald yesterday appear to have dented National’s chances of leading the next Government, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict,...
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • ACT is holding the Balance of Power
    ACT will hold the balance of power after the election on Saturday....
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • Statement From Hone Harawira And Laila Harré
    The Prime Minister has used his security access to further own political interests, demonstrating he is unfit to hold the office....
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • Key “rejected mass surveillance plan”
    National Party leader John Key told TV1’s Q+A programme that the GCSB looked into a plan for mass surveillance after two companies were subjected to a major cyber-attack – but he rejected it....
    Scoop politics | 14-09
  • Monday a Moment of Truth for Key on Spying, Says Harré
    Assurances given by the Prime Minister and the GCSB that spy agencies do not conduct mass surveillance on New Zealanders look set to be tested on Monday, says Internet Party leader Laila Harré....
    Scoop politics | 13-09
  • Outdoor Voters Poised to Vote
    A New Zealand-wide outdoor recreation organisation predicts the outdoors voting public will have a big impact on the election result....
    Scoop politics | 13-09
  • Patrick Gower Interviews NZFirst Leader Winston Peters
    Good. It looks like you’ve got a good crowd there. If we could start, Mr Peters, with Kim Dotcom and Monday night – the big reveal. A personal view from you, do you think that John Key knew about Kim...
    Scoop politics | 13-09
  • Lisa Owen Interviews Glenn Greenwald
    Says there are serious questions about whether the government has been truthful about changes to the GCSB legislation. “What I can tell you is that the statement that the GCSB made to New Zealand citizens last year — 'we do...
    Scoop politics | 13-09
  • Lisa Owen Interviews National Party Leader John Key
    Lisa Owen: We've got the top five polling party leaders today, but first, Prime Minister John Key. I spoke to him first thing this morning and began by asking him, post-election, who would he prefer to form a coalition with...
    Scoop politics | 13-09
  • On the Nation: Lisa Owen Interviews Colin Craig
    Lisa Owen: Conservative Party leader Colin Craig joins me now. Good morning, Mr Craig. Colin Craig: Good morning. John Key was on this programme this morning, and he had a chance to endorse you with a week to go. He...
    Scoop politics | 13-09
  • Patrick Gower Interviews Labour Leader David Cunliffe
    Patrick Gower: Yes, David Cunliffe, let’s look at the polls. Any way you slice or dice it, you’ve got a lot of convincing to do with voters to get that left block across the line. How are you going to...
    Scoop politics | 13-09
  • Vote for Healthy Seas and Dolphins
    WDC (Whale and Dolphin Conservation) , NABU International and Maui’s and Hector’s Dolphin Defenders....
    Scoop politics | 13-09
  • Provinces Deserve a Fair Go
    Thank you for the opportunity to talk to you today. At the outset of my talk today it is important to emphasis that New Zealand First has a strong commitment to regional development....
    Scoop politics | 12-09
  • Cunnliffe is lying about ACT policy
    "Mr Cunnliffe says that ACT’s policy would enable shopkeepers to have loaded guns in their shops for self defence." said Jamie Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 12-09
  • Support kiwi business-friendly policies in Election 2014
    Support kiwi business-friendly policies in Election 2014 The Motel Association of NZ (MANZ) is calling on voters to make sure they vote for the party and candidate who will do the most to support kiwi businesses in the election next...
    Scoop politics | 12-09
  • Disappointment with early start to Holiday Highway
    Youth organisation, Generation Zero, is disappointed by the Prime Minister's announcement today that the Puhoi-Warkworth Highway would start construction in 2016. The highway is over 18 kilometres long, and latest estimates put the cost at over $760 million....
    Scoop politics | 12-09
  • Rural Women welcomes travel cost settlement
    Rural Women New Zealand welcomes news that a proposed settlement has been agreed that will lead to home support workers being paid mileage and wages for the time they spend travelling between clients....
    Scoop politics | 12-09
  • InternetNZ political survey gets answers
    In July this year, InternetNZ released its Election '14 and the Internet document, outlining seven key Internet issues for focus and discussion during this year's election and over the next three years....
    Scoop politics | 12-09
  • Taxpayers Union wrong on cost of abolishing student debt
    “The so-called ‘Taxpayers Union’ clearly thought the Internet MANA’s announcement today seeking to abolish student debt was tl:dr (‘too long didn’t read’)”, said NZUSA President Daniel Haines....
    Scoop politics | 12-09
  • Cyclists welcome investment in health and better transport
    The $300 million investment in cycling announced today by Greens co-leader Russel Norman pays a triple dividend, says Cycling Advocates Network spokesman Patrick Morgan....
    Scoop politics | 12-09
  • ACT says Feds boss right to be wary of shadow party ambition
    “Dr William Rolleston, Federated Farmers boss is right to caution the primary industry of his concern about downright awful permutations over Ministerial roles should the 'left' cabal seize power afterSeptember 20th ,” Don Nicolson ACT primary industry...
    Scoop politics | 12-09
  • Internet Party Insults Students
    "I sometimes wonder if the Internet Party is giving students an intelligence test," says ACT Epsom Candidate David Seymour...
    Scoop politics | 12-09
  • ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte, ACT Headquarters
    ACT to Strengthen Rights to Self Defence and Introduce a New Crime for Home Invasion...
    Scoop politics | 12-09
  • Closing the Gap on Health and Housing
    “Inequality is the biggest problem facing New Zealand at the present time” says Peter Malcolm National Secretary of Closing the Gap. It underlies many of our social ills, poverty, lack of trust, an economy that could do much better, and...
    Scoop politics | 12-09
  • A tale of misery and destruction which ACT can stop
    On the 29th of August a man came before a Judge in the North Shore District Court...
    Scoop politics | 12-09
  • Fair travel for support workers removes existing injustice
    Human Rights Commissioner, Dr Jackie Blue welcomes the Government’s announcement today that it has corrected a wrong for community support workers by agreeing to pay for travel time and for petrol costs when travelling between clients....
    Scoop politics | 12-09
  • TV ONE Election Coverage Winning Ratings
    FRIDAY 12 SEPTEMBER 2014 The 2014 General Election is fast-approaching and ONE News will lead be leading the way with coverage. ONE News was the most-watched programme in New Zealand in August, with an average audience of over 700,000 viewers...
    Scoop politics | 12-09
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