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Another Peters brain fart

Written By: - Date published: 8:02 am, May 25th, 2013 - 254 comments
Categories: im/migration, racism, scoundrels, winston peters - Tags: ,

Winston Peters is up to his old tricks again:

Peters: Immigrants, brothels and sin city

NZ First leader Winston Peters has launched an attack on immigration policy and questioned whether Auckland is becoming “the supercity of sin”, linking crime and other problems to immigration from China.

In the speech to a North Shore Grey Power meeting he denied his party was anti-immigrant, saying it was not against bringing in people with skills lacking in New Zealand. And he pointed to comments by the new premier of China that the biggest challenge facing China was the level of corruption. “It stands to reason that corruption can be exported and imported,” Peters said.

He said the Government was talking of a million more people in Auckland soon “and there is no prize for guessing where most will come from”. … He said when the rich tourists had finished at the blackjack tables or the poker machines at SkyCity casino there was another attraction nearby.

“The Hong Kong born Chow brothers are thoughtfully providing a 15-storey brothel, in what used to be an historic building, just across the road from the casino in the heart of Auckland,” Peters said.

“And thanks to our generous student and worker visa schemes the Chow brothers will be able to provide genuine home-grown sex workers for the visitors if that’s what they want.” …

The seven deadly sins were alive and well in Auckland and the city was being trashed economically, socially, physically and ethically, he said.

Peters has a long history of trotting out this sort of racism, and the sad fact of it is that it probably does his vote no harm at all. Speaking (as he always does) for the Tories, Guyon Espiner tweeted: “How do all the liberals in the Greens and Labour feel about working with Winston Peters and his facile, juvenile, anti-China hysteria?”.

I dunno Guyon, how do all the conservatives in National and ACT feel about working with Winston Peters and his facile, juvenile, anti-China hysteria?

My guess is that neither side feels any good about the prospect, and that neither side would turn away from it if it was the only way to form a government. Heaven help us all if Winston Peters holds the balance of power in 2014.

254 comments on “Another Peters brain fart”

  1. Shona 1

    Peters criticisms of central Auckland aren’t inaccurate even if they are couched in old style moderately bigoted rhetoric. Such is his style , generation and constituency. Central Auckland is dirty, sleazy decrepit, run -down , unloved and full of legal and illegal migrants. Our immigration policies are a disaster and need scrutiny NOW!.Sky city is vile! The Chow brothers are pimps. Gambling and earning an income off women’s genitalia are not the types of business we need in our largest city’s window to the world. So good on Winston for raising the issues.
    When our children were young and we visited sin-city during school holidays we always told our offspring that the Skycity tower was the funnel that sucked the money out of the country!

  2. KJT 2

    Peters is only wrong in the anti-Chinese part.

    The huge wave of English immigrants in the 50′s and 60′s, who brought their dysfunctional adversarial industrial relations system and class system here, adversely affected New Zealand society and social cohesiveness, also.

    Personally I prefer Chinese. Their cuisine and their work ethic is much better.

    Past time that New Zealanders were actually asked if they wanted a second wave of colonialism.

    It is bad enough that we are economically colonised by the UK, the USA, Australia, and soon, China.

    Immigration policy is deliberately used to keep wages low and speculative prices high.

    Time we put a stop to immigration allowing employers to avoid paying for training and avoid paying competitive wages. And driving prices beyound New Zealander’s reach.

    No one asked us if we wanted all these immigrants.

    Peters is articulating an unease, many New Zealanders feel.

  3. Matthew Hooton 3

    To answer your question to the Guyon in your second-to-last par, polling I have seen suggests about two-thirds of those planning to vote National in 2014 would consider not voting or voting for someone else if they thought Key was going to do a deal with Peters. Of course, it wouldn’t be anything like two-thirds that actually didn’t vote or changed their vote, but even if it were only a percentage or two, then that would be significant in a close election.
    But I actually have a new theory, called “David Shearer’s Green-free Plan B” at http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/david-shearers-green-free-plan-b-ck-140617 It’s a theory that has Shearer dealing with Peters rather than the Greens. (BTW, I am in the any-government-is-better-than-one-with-Peters camp.)

    • vto 3.1

      mr hooton, how on earth are we supposed to untangle all of your conflicts and allegiances in order to find the truth in that?

      • David H 3.1.1

        More Hootens Horseshit!

        • KJT 3.1.1.1

          We have a Government of smarmy, lying, shonky, thieving used car salesmen, (though probably that is far to derogatory of used cars salesmen, I have met some honest ones), and Hooten thinks that Peters, IS WORSE!

      • paul andersen 3.1.2

        allegiances ,or allergies

    • Pascal's bookie 3.2

      Hi hooten.

      this is the internet, ‘polling I have seen’; dox or GTFU.

      cheers.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 3.3

      Was that the same poll that said Labour and National had taken a hit on marriage equality? That Roy Morgan didn’t notice?

      • Matthew Hooton 3.3.1

        According to track polls, National has recovered since then. But Labour hasn’t.

        • McFlock 3.3.1.1

          I’ll wait for the public ones to come out, thx.

          • Matthew Hooton 3.3.1.1.1

            Expect National up and Labour/Green down.

            • One Anonymous Knucklehead 3.3.1.1.1.1

              When are you going to stop telling lies for money?

              • Rhinocrates

                Is that a serious question? Hoots would find it incomprehensible because he simply cannot comprehend the fundamental concept of “truth”. Money, on the other hand…

                And Hoots, you aversion to Peters must be based on the ghost of a shadow of the outline of a remnant of a pretence to having a vague intimation of a memory of a conscience. You really must eradicate whatever infinitesimal trace remains if you are to be really good at your job. God knows your intellect won’t carry you through.

                Otherwise, if Key or Collins needs Peters to get the Treasury benches, you’ll have to pretend that you love Peters, greatly respect him, albeit begrudgingly, but with pragmatic realism, blah blah…

                I know you have the memory of a goldfish with Korsakov Syndrome, but you will look like a fool.

                Keep your options open old boy.

                But for God’s sake, don’t ever try to pretend that you have principles. That just makes us laugh.

            • McFlock 3.3.1.1.1.2

              lol. So much for your political predictions.

    • Tigger 3.4

      I have a theory that Matthew H is a Tory apologist douchebag. There is no link because the evidence is in the post above where he tries to tie Shearer to Peters’ racist statements.

      • paul andersen 3.4.1

        you are being unfair to douchbags, they are useful.

      • Matthew Hooton 3.4.2

        I do not link Shearer to Peters’ Friday speech at all. My NBR column was written on Wednesday night, sent at 8am Thursday and published in Friday’s paper, all before Peters gave his speech. You might be better addressing the content rather than making things up.

        • Pascal's bookie 3.4.2.1

          Rightio, justify the claim about the Greens being communists then.

        • Pascal's bookie 3.4.2.2

          Rightio, justify the claim about the Greens being communists then.

        • Murray Olsen 3.4.2.3

          Did you write Winnie’s speech too?

        • Rhinocrates 3.4.2.4

          Hooton trying to imply that someone else is a racist opportunist? Is that the pot saying that the carbonaceous chrondite has a low albedo?

          “As a general rule” Maori are “stupid” and “useless” Hoots says, and he’ll “stand by that”.

          Oh yeah, a great champion in the fight against racism is Hoots!

          • Matthew Hooton 3.4.2.4.1

            I am sure you know I have never said any such thing.

            • Rhinocrates 3.4.2.4.1.1

              You know perfectly well that you have explicitly linked the “uselessness” and “stupidity” of people with their race – specifically Maori race – on National radio. On this blog, you have said that is a “general rule” and you “stand by it”. You are a liar and a racist.

              • Matthew Hooton

                No, what I said was that the Maori Party and to a lesser extent the Mana Party had attracted the talented, dynamic Maori activists leaving the losers in Labour. That’s not tying anyone’s competence to their race but to their party affiliation. It was unfair to Louisa Wall but hardly racist.

                As for the Kahui comment below, it’s you who says it links Labour to Maori and crime. It doesn’t, it just says that the party of Phillip Field, Chris Carter and the EFA doing “ethical training” was as oxymoronic as Chris Kahui running a parenting course. And that’s true.

                BTW, you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with me. There are people you can talk to about that sort of disorder.

                • Rhinocrates

                  Dog whistle, followed by weasel words, Hoots.

                  Do you lie so much that you’ve forgotten what species you are?

                  Oh a mental health joke right after a racial joke. Charming. Just the sort of slime I’d expect of course.

                  I think that racists an liars are a social poison and must be challenged at every point, especially when they try to repeat and justify their lies.

                  Ever hear of Martin Niemöller?

            • Rhinocrates 3.4.2.4.1.2

              …. and then there’s this, comedian:

              “Ethical counselling from the Labour Party is like a parenting course from the Kahui family”

              http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2006/07/quote_of_the_week_2.html

              The Penguin loved that dog whistle, linking Maori, criminality and Labour in one go.

        • Rhinocrates 3.4.2.5

          might be better addressing the content rather than making things up

          Oh yeah, ’cause you never, ever, cross my heart and hope to die do that, do you Hoots?

          Are you offended?

      • Rhinocrates 3.4.3

        It’s not a theory. Even Whalecum feels justified in calling Hoots a “corporate whore.” I’d say that for once he’s right, but that would be seriously denigrating to sex workers.

    • r0b 3.5

      I have seen suggests about two-thirds of those planning to vote National in 2014 would consider not voting or voting for someone else if they thought Key was going to do a deal with Peters.

      Interesting and difficult question to phrase for a poll.

      Of course, it wouldn’t be anything like two-thirds that actually didn’t vote or changed their vote, but even if it were only a percentage or two,

      Don’t worry, there would probably be a similar percentage of Labour voters doing the same, and it will all balance out in the wash.

    • ghostrider888 3.6

      Peters cannot even string coherent sentences together without inserting unsuitable, disproportionate words.

      • Matthew Hooton 3.7.1

        Yes, especially after the big shift in support to National since the Budget, but it is extremely close, and I wouldn’t rule out Labour/NZ First either as I point out in the NBR article.

    • Olwyn 3.8

      Matthew, when I read other people on this blog, I am usually confident that I am looking at what that person thinks. When I read you, I suspect I am looking at whatever you are currently running up the flag pole. Which is this case looks to be something like a grand coalition between National and Labour, made in the name of keeping the riff-raff out, or at least a political scenario that might just as well be one. Who are these “wise heads” in Labour that are so concerned about the loony excesses of the Greens? And if they are on the same page as you with regard to such matters what are they doing in the Labour Party in the first place?

  4. vto 4

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

    This is so not a surprise in our land festooned with racism. What on earth do people expect? Our islands are riddled with racist people and policies all over and all through the land.

    It includes all parts of the political spectrum.

    It is the most goon-headed subject of all. There is no clarity, there is no consistency, there is only subjective and selfish evaluation and consideration.

    It is all fucked up.

  5. muzza 5

    The obvious facts are, that Central Auckland is being turned into a gambling whoring center, while the mayor is trying to hype *Worlds Most Livable City*, it just does not add up! – Note, the mayor has no actual influence to prevent what is going on, even if he cared to!

    One of the longest standing police units in AKL, is the Asian Crime Unit, its been in action for decades. As someone who has direct links into Auckland’s Asian communities, I can tell you first hand that its very much a mixed bag, not unlike any other community, you get all types, but with a heavy overhang of very smart, very connected organized *interests*, and they’re into everything, not unlike other groups.

    I can also tell you that the vast majority of the Asian communities, do not see themselves as NZ’ers, and have little interest in functioning outside their own groups, again not entirely unlike any other immigrants.

    The fascinating thing which is common among the various nationalities of Asians I’m involved with, is a universal dislike for the Chinese, many of the Asian groups I interact with, simply have a weary attitude towards them, right or wrong, that is the sentiment, and its not new, or happened since they came to NZ!

    A theme which repeats when I ask around, revolves around the the Chinese having little to no respect for the environment, their host, or even their fellow Chinese, and the word *dirty* is commonly used when referring to Chinese (again , these are Asians talking about other Asians) . Chinese, it seems genuinely do not give a toss, for anything other than themselves, and money, again, not too dissimilar to other sectors of what passes for, society!

    The door has been opened, our immigration policies deliberately set to ensure that NZ is unable to maintain any identity, which is a long standing issue in any case, what with colonization by the English etc in any case. Multi culturalism, brings many wonderful aspects into cities etc, but it also brings problems, and these appear to be conveniently left out of most discussions, while people debate *where the comments racist or not*, and other such juvenile angles!

    Auckland is already a borderline shithole in many respects, its destined to become much worse, it very easy to see the direction, because its not changed in almost 3 decades, which became even more clear after of a decade of living abroad, returning to AKL to notice the decline, mostly through the lack of any obvious improvement! With the

    Winston is right, he has always been right, whether altruistically, or as a protagonist, his comments stand, he should however, target a wider audience, instead of targeting a singly nationality!

    • weka 5.1

      My interactions with Chinese immigrants has been through learning tai chi etc, and my experiences have been overwhelmingly positive. Maybe it’s not the Chinese that are the problem, but the immigration criteria ie we’re allowing the wrong kind of immigration. This is probably true of much of our immigration policy, but it would be interesting to see a break down of the different kinds of visas people from various countries are getting, and how many nationalities getting residency are getting it via which immigration policy.

      On my more cynical days I do tend to agree that immigration policy is designed to undermine identity (or at the least is a desirable side effect from the policy designers). The idea that any and all immigration is good (esp where that is a reaction against people like Peters) completely denies the reality of the complexity of culture and ethnicity, what happens when you mix them, and NZ’s particular issues around that (esp our relative geographical isolation, and the fact that we still haven’t got to grips with the Treaty of Waitangi yet).

      • KJT 5.1.1

        Agree

        Too much immigration is allowed because shonky employers are allowed to go bleating to the immigration department, whenever their lack of training programs, refusal to pay competitive wages and trying to screw their staff instead of working on a more efficient business, begins to bite.

        I suspect the reason why the usual suspects are so keen on more immigration, is that it keeps the prices of their speculative assets rising.

        If I wanted to live in a city of high rise slums, millions of impoverished, underpaid people, few amenities and dodgy infrastructure, there a plenty I can move to.

        Don’t need to turn Auckland into a copy.

      • One Anonymous Knucklehead 5.1.2

        Maybe it’s neither the immigrants nor the immigration criteria. Maybe the racists are the problem.

        If Auckland is a worse place look to Roger Douglas, not the yellow peril.

        • r0b 5.1.2.1

          If Auckland is a worse place look to Roger Douglas, not the yellow peril.

          Exactly.

          • KJT 5.1.2.1.1

            Agreed on Roger Douglas, but our present immigration policies, which are designed to benefit the same people as most of Douglas’ policies, are part of the Douglas legacy also.

            Do you think the Chinese are racist investing in their own country and people, refusing to let foreigners own land and restricting immigration?

            Their Government is looking after their own people, as they should. It is a pity our Government looks first at whatever gains more wealth for their party funders.

            As far as immigration goes I would rather we used our immigration policy to be a decent world citizen, and rescue some more refugees from concentration camps, instead of selling citizenship to the highest bidder.

            • r0b 5.1.2.1.1.1

              Do you think the Chinese are racist investing in their own country and people, refusing to let foreigners own land and restricting immigration?

              No, not if they are not selecting / picking on any particular racial group.

              It is a pity our Government looks first at whatever gains more wealth for their party funders.

              Yes.

          • ghostrider888 5.1.2.1.2

            yes, and yes, to r0b.

    • ghostrider888 5.2

      Paras, 1, 2, some of 3, 6 and 7, imo, muzza.

  6. Jane 6

    Why is there such a drive to increase the population? Always wondered why Auckland’s population is expected to increase by a million by 20 whatever… seems a ok sort of place now why pile more people in?

    • KJT 6.1

      Because immigration and population increase make developers, rentiers and speculators, NACT voters, rich!

      • Colonial Viper 6.1.1

        Also increasing population is one of the strongest and most reliable drivers of economic growth (of which the property side of things you mention is one aspect).

        The converse relationship is that stagnant or falling populations will tend to reinforce and worsen stagnant or declining economies.

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 6.1.1.1

          increasing population is one of the strongest and most reliable drivers of economic growth

          So, given appropriate employment laws, immigration should have no effect on wage rates?

          • Colonial Viper 6.1.1.1.1

            I prefer a combination of tight labour pool and strong employment laws. If the excess labour pool grows too large with too many people willing to work (and employ) for less than minimum wage, you get the California sitiuation.

            • One Anonymous Knucklehead 6.1.1.1.1.1

              Yeah, we should take care not to develop a land border with Mexico.

          • Draco T Bastard 6.1.1.1.2

            That would be true if everything balanced perfectly. Unfortunately, it doesn’t and other factors such as productivity increases also need to be taken into account.

          • ghostrider888 6.1.1.1.3

            what “appropriate employment laws”? ;)

            • One Anonymous Knucklehead 6.1.1.1.3.1

              For this country over the last thirty years, what Chomsky said about Capitalism: “Show me some!”

        • Draco T Bastard 6.1.1.2

          Also increasing population is one of the strongest and most reliable drivers of economic growth

          Actually, it’s the only driver of economic growth. If population stayed the same then all those productivity increases that we’ve seen would have caused huge deflation and unemployment. In fact, if we didn’t export so much (an effective artificial increase in population) we’d be looking at much worse unemployment now.

          • KJT 6.1.1.2.1

            Which is why we need to change our economic paradigm.

            To one that works without constant growth, constant increase in resource use, and constant need for people to find ever more creative ways of ripping off their fellow human beings.

            A workable steady state economy.

            Which means one that does not depend on population growth.

            The fact is we can now produce all that we need and a fair proportion of things we do not without full employment.

            Which makes the push for a later retirement age and the opposition to a guaranteed income, by those who should know better, even more baffling.

            Don’t see why reducing trade necessarily results in less employment however. Our two way trade in real goods and services is slightly in surplus. meaning it is just about neutral. less imports would mean substituting many jobs offshore with jobs in NZ.

            • Draco T Bastard 6.1.1.2.1.1

              less imports would mean substituting many jobs offshore with jobs in NZ.

              But not necessarily the same amount of jobs. Considering that a lot of what we export is labour intensive compared to what we import I suspect that the substitution would result in less jobs.

              • KJT

                I don’t think that is necessarily true..

                It seems to me that it is the more Labour intensive! jobs are the ones that are now done by cheap Labour in China and Bangladesh.

                • Colonial Viper

                  That’s right, there’s no point outsourcing non-labour intensive jobs to a country with cheap workers.

                  The issue however is with automation and mechanisation – fewer and fewer workers are needed to make the same amount of product these days. Even Foxconn is replacing Chinese iPad assembly line workers with robots.

                  Here’s a simple reality: we need an economy which has a focus on giving people worthwhile roles in society and not on creating profit.

  7. Observer Tokoroa 7

    ANTHONY ROBINS

    It pleases you very deeply that foreigners come to New Zealand and put up buildings. Unlike the man you despise Winston Peters, you have no intention of giving stock standard real work to Kiwis. In your case, you want Asians to do it. Okay.

    However, it is not racist for others to want New Zealanders to do it. I wonder who has brain washed you into thinking it is?

    There are many relatively simple tasks that Aucklanders already hand over to foreigners. Parking is one of them. Squillions of easy dollars flip home across the water to Asia, just from parking.

    Auckland Bankers are foreigners too. Billions of Kiwi dollars are sent to Australian owners every year simply because the business of banking is thought to be beyond Kiwis.

    Even the grocery business – has been shovelled off. Auckland is STUNNING at handing off sources of wealth to foreigners Anthony.

    The current government is in the serious business of selling off land to nationalities which refuse to sell their own land to any outsider. China prominent among them.. You must be very happy with this NZ policy. It is your right to be happy. But the big majority of New Zealanders think your policy stinks. They find it revolting to be honest. Nasty like your headline language.

    Mr Peters does too.

    You dislike him because he is a politician who wants the chance to put New Zealanders first. It is an idea that will be new to you. It will be a shock to you. I am sorry if your Hong Kong friends miss out on building your brothel. It is just that Kiwis need the work. And Kiwis actually live here and have their families here.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 7.1

      Most recent studies of racism link it to low intelligence, and point out that many of its victims lack the cognitive ability to recognise their own failings.

      In these circumstances it is likely that emotional appeals will have more resonance, and therefore be more effective, than rational arguments.

      • KJT 7.1.1

        Most recent studies of Neo- liberalism link it to low intelligence, and point out that many of its proponents lack the cognitive ability to recognise its failings.

        Fixed it for you.

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 7.1.1.1

          Yeah, nah.

          Despite their important implications for interpersonal behaviors and relations, cognitive abilities have been largely ignored as explanations of prejudice. We proposed and tested mediation models in which lower cognitive ability predicts greater prejudice, an effect mediated through the endorsement of right-wing ideologies (social conservatism, right-wing authoritarianism) and low levels of contact with out-groups. In an analysis of two large-scale, nationally representative United Kingdom data sets (N = 15,874), we found that lower general intelligence (g) in childhood predicts greater racism in adulthood, and this effect was largely mediated via conservative ideology. A secondary analysis of a U.S. data set confirmed a predictive effect of poor abstract-reasoning skills on antihomosexual prejudice, a relation partially mediated by both authoritarianism and low levels of intergroup contact. All analyses controlled for education and socioeconomic status. Our results suggest that cognitive abilities play a critical, albeit underappreciated, role in prejudice. Consequently, we recommend a heightened focus on cognitive ability in research on prejudice and a better integration of cognitive ability into prejudice models.

          • Colonial Viper 7.1.1.1.1

            Yeah that may hold true, however it is interesting to note that those found guilty and executed/imprisoned at the Nuremberg trials were all found to have above average IQ, sometimes significantly above average.

            • One Anonymous Knucklehead 7.1.1.1.1.1

              That doesn’t mean some racists are intelligent, it means the Milgram experiment has supporting material.

            • Draco T Bastard 7.1.1.1.1.2

              Psychopaths often have a higher than normal IQ.

      • ghostrider888 7.1.2

        Love ya work OAK, that FIFT!

    • prism 7.2

      Observer Tokoroa
      You have been observing haven’t you. And it’s a bit of a jigsaw. And you have put multi positioned pieces in the wrong places. So you will never get the real picture of what is going on and why and how we can make as a nation enough money to pay out your, and my, and all the other pensions.

      We feel just as concerned as you are. But there aren’t easy answers, and when Winston states things firmly in his unique way, he is interesting to listen to but cannot provide any solutions. Not without causing more problems. We have to live in the world as it is, not just what would suit us.
      You no doubt have heard that Stockholm has had riots of young unemployed men from the poorer areas of the city.

      This is reality today, our economy hollowed out by our own government opening our borders and giving away all our valuable policies such as tariff protections that enabled us to function well. Can you think how we can protect against this happening again with TPP? Have you written to John Key to tell him of your concerns about everything being owned by overseas landlords and large corporates sucking profit overseas, often to Australia. Because he and the Roger Douglas battalion have been active in this dismantling of our country’s enterprise and resources.

      • Observer Tokoroa 7.2.1

        Prism

        I do not think we are talking complex things.

        We are discussing whether people who have New Zealand nationality and good education, have the right to work in their own land.

        It is a shame to see some deep feeling guy (A Robins) wringing his hands over the possible prospect of Kiwis building his brothel in Auckland – and not imported labour from Hong Kong.

        Leaving aside whether foreign banks may dictate who does the work, the question is: why is it racisct for a person to suggest kiwis should build it?

        Or does NZ have the unique obligation to provide all the employment and wealth for everyone in the world – except its own citizens. ? I am sorry if this seems complex.

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 7.2.1.1

          It isn’t complex: it’s the product of a below-average intelligence.

          • Colonial Viper 7.2.1.1.1

            Which Winston is not.

            • One Anonymous Knucklehead 7.2.1.1.1.1

              Mr. Peters displays extreme cynicism.

              • Colonial Viper

                Yes he does. And he plays the corners pretty hard.

                • Rhinocrates

                  There are people who like to confuse cynicism or machismo with intelligence, or, as they like to say “realism”.

                  I wouldn’t even want to confuse low cunning with real intelligence – it’s very narrow, very inflexible. It’s very good at exploiting a limited niche as long as it is allowed to endure, but that’s all. I don’t know why Hoots affects to hate Peters – they’re so much alike, really.

        • prism 7.2.1.2

          OTokoroa
          If you were really interested in the matters you are discussing you would have read how The Standard commenters support NZ employment. I don’t know why you criticise here. Go onto the NACT site and give them a rark up there. They sorely need one.

    • r0b 7.3

      Observer Tokoroa

      Kindly do not presume to put words into my mouth.

      It pleases you very deeply that foreigners come to New Zealand and put up buildings.

      Not really no, but it doesn’t bother me either.

      Unlike the man you despise Winston Peters,

      I don’t despise Winston Peters, he isn’t worth getting worked up about. If it wasn’t him, it would be somebody else representing the same views.

      you have no intention of giving stock standard real work to Kiwis. In your case, you want Asians to do it. Okay.

      And on you go with further irrational ranting. Bye bye.

      • Draco T Bastard 7.3.1

        Not really no, but it doesn’t bother me either.

        From some of the stories I’ve heard it should do.

        • r0b 7.3.1.1

          I don’t know much about it DTB, likely my opinion would shift one way or the other if I learned more.

  8. One Anonymous Knucklehead 8

    Thirty years of market fundamentalism but it’s immigrants ruining the country. Have a Tui.

    • KJT 8.1

      Our present immigration policy is part of market
      fundamentalism.

      The threat is held over New Zealanders. “Work for the miserly wages and conditions we offer or we will bring in more cheap labour”.

      It is used as a way of bypassing the effects of supply and demand from the New Zealand market.

      • One Anonymous Knucklehead 8.1.1

        Says who?

        • Colonial Viper 8.1.1.1

          It’s not said out loud, but it is mouthed every time a Fisher & Paykel relocates to China or Mexico

          • One Anonymous Knucklehead 8.1.1.1.1

            Which means that immigration policy is ruining Auckland?

            • Colonial Viper 8.1.1.1.1.1

              do you actually have any idea of the calculus used in the private sector to minimise wages paid to labour???

              Your preoccupation with “employment law is all that is needed to fix things up” is naive as it is simplistic.

              It’s the hallmark of someone with a narrow focus on one aspect of a single sector of a battle and is not willing, or able, to give a damn about what is happening on the rest of the front.

              No more unskilled or low skilled economic immigrants if they do not meet a strategic NZ need that we cannot fulfil ourselves, OK, is that so hard to understand?

              As for Auckland. Good luck to all you Aucklanders, 2M people by 2030, should be a ball.

              • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                Oh, so our existing immigration laws, with their strict rules around work visas and economic migration, are all good then?

                Because so far you’ve produced no evidence that any of your so called problems actually exist, especially with regard to the alleged problems in Auckland. Nor have you said which rules you’d change.

                It’s the hallmark of someone who’s full of shit, and so is your feeble attempt to change the subject onto fuckwit assertions about me.

                Now, if you’re with Peters, and you think that there are too many “Asians” in Auckland, then have the guts to say so instead of this mealy mouthed bullshit.

              • infused

                CV and knucklehead going at it. I would have never guessed.

                CV has this one.

  9. KJT 9

    It is blatantly obvious.

    My own trade is one of the ones where we are considered to have a skills shortage.

    We do not. We have a shortage of people who are willing to work for the extremely poor pay and conditions, considering the level of skills and training required.

    And Employers have not trained any New Zealanders for decades, knowing they can rely on immigration policy.

    They are now screaming blue murder, because it is now biting them on the bum, as even immigrants from the third world, now only work here as a stepping stone to Australia, or Singapore, where pay is a lot better.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 9.1

      The only thing “blatantly obvious” is your bias.
      \
      Thirty years of wages and conditions being driven down by deliberate government policy to weaken collective bargaining and it’s all the immigrants’ fault.

      Feeble.

      • KJT 9.1.1

        Fuck off.

        I never said it was. I said it is one of the tools employers use to drive down wages.

        Employers would not have been able to ignore all of the skilled people going to Australia if it wasn’t for immigration policy.

        Those who make the policies fault. Nothing to do with individual immigrants, or their ethnicity.

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 9.1.1.1

          The issue is employment law then. So why are you bringing immigration policy into it?

          • KJT 9.1.1.1.1

            Try reading and comprehending!

            Without immigration, the neo-liberals would never have got away with the attack on workers rights.

            They would have been left with no workers!

            • One Anonymous Knucklehead 9.1.1.1.1.1

              So the problem is the attack on workers.

              Not the immigration. Without the attack on workers the immigrants would have joined a union.

              • Colonial Viper

                No no no

                you can’t think of this in linear terms

                the Neolibs used every tool and every front at their disposal, simultaneously. Attacks on unions, ensuring supplies of workers into the labour pool vastly expanded, etc.

                While the Left got left behind, gobsmacked (as it were) trying to work out what the principled way to respond was. Result – encirclement by the right wingers and subsequent crushing. The Left being too often disorganised, confused and badly led, well what’s changed.

                Didn’t help that Ken Douglas and a bunch of his cohorts were spineless sell outs. And that no one had the guts to call a General Strike against a Labour Government.

                • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                  If your theory is correct, Auckland wages should be lower than the rest of the country. Shall we check, or do you concede the point?

                  Without the shitty labour laws you’ve got nothing. Fix the shitty labour laws.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    Come on OAK, you’re better than this. Don’t think you are, know you are.

                    If your theory is correct, Auckland wages in relation to cost of living should be worse than the rest of the country. Shall we check, or do you concede the point?

                    Perhaps it is you who should now conceed?

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      Explain what changes you would make to immigration policy to address this problem of (according to you) low wages.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      immigration policy has to be strongly linked to the strategic needs of this country in terms of demographic needs, skill shortages and long term financial capital. The policy needs to fully consistent and supportive of a national industrial and technology policy.

                      Low and medium/low skilled workers should not be welcomed into NZ as workers as our own young people can fill those gaps.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      Explain what changes you would make to immigration policy as it relates to low-skilled workers.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      I dunno you wanna give me a team of policy analysts and 3 months to get back to you?

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      You didn’t need them to “identify” the problem. Funny that.

                    • ghostrider888

                      ahhh, this can go here!

                      -The primary thing when you take a sword in your hand is to cut the ‘enemy’, whatever the means.Whenever you parry, hit, spring or strike or touch the ‘enemy’s’ cutting sword, you must cut the ‘enemy’ in the same movement.

                      -Miyamoto Musashi.

                      Tadah! :-D

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      “He hit me, so I hit him first.”

                      Trad wushu aphorism :)

                    • ghostrider888

                      “Hit me with you rhythm stick, hit me hard, hit me quick.”
                      (wonder who has got the ‘balls’ to stem the Asian immigration tide, certainly will not be any party on the third-way-neoliberal ends of the economic spectrum, not with all that PROFIT to be made).

                      ahhh, Demographics, don’t ya just love numbers.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Gr888: :)

  10. gobsmacked 10

    Targeting one ethnic group = racism. Simple as that.

    Peters could raise a bunch of legitimate issues (house prices, Sky City, skill shortages etc) by attacking the government. But that doesn’t make a big enough headline. So he pushes prejudice for easy headlines, and votes.

    Thousands of New Zealanders (sic) are feeling more uncomfortable in their country this morning, when they have done nothing wrong except be who they are. Winston Peters does not speak for me, and nor do his apologists.

    • KJT 10.1

      Targeting one group is racism.

      Objecting to the pandering to the wealthy and dysfunctional employers, aspects of our immigration policy, IS NOT.

      Why do some people shut down, anyone who finds our present immigration policy does not work for New Zealanders, with screams of racism and xenophobia.

      Why are they so scared of rational discussion on the subject.

      Peters is wrong in several counts.
      .We should not be bringing in skilled people, we should be training New Zealand kids.
      And. The Chinese are not the problem. Our immigration policy is!

      • KJT 10.1.1

        25 thousand unemployed kids in Northland.

        So we bring in unskilled labour from overseas to rebuild Christchurch.

        Doesn’t make sense.

      • One Anonymous Knucklehead 10.1.2

        It’s because blindingly obvious that the problems you ascribe to immigration are manifestly home-made, of the Rogernomic variety.

        It’s laughable that you blame immigration policy for problems caused by employment law.

        • KJT 10.1.2.1

          See above.

          • One Anonymous Knucklehead 10.1.2.1.1

            Where you failed to support your assertion that immigration policy is the problem and tried to build circular arguments that fell over?

            • KJT 10.1.2.1.1.1

              I think I explained my position perfectly well.

              Not my fault if you cannot comprehend something that is not black and white.

              • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                I comprehend your position perfectly well: the problem is due to the influx of British immigrants in the 1950s and ’60s, to keep wages low, and that Winston Peters is playing on the unease this causes.

                That is your position, isn’t it? As per your first comment?

                I recall how wages fell dramatically in the 50s and 60s as a result.

                • KJT

                  Immigration in the 50′s was part of an attack on workers rights also.

                  Of course, if you have forgotten what happened in 1951?

                  • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                    Right, so let me see if I can get this straight. The response to the waterfront dispute was to bring in a “…huge wave of English immigrants in the 50′s and 60′s, who brought their dysfunctional adversarial industrial relations system…”

                    Your “arguments” just had a head-on collision. Own goal. Oops.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    I dont know why its so difficult to understand. Globalisation in all its many forms has been used to advantage capital and disadvantage labour. That’s obvious. Have some formerly 3rd world labourers been made better off? Yes. But the cream has been skimmed off by the normal players. And workers in first world countries have suffered significant wave deflation as a result.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      So now the problem is “free” trade, not immigration policy?

                    • ghostrider888

                      The important thing in strategy is to suppress the ‘enemy’s useful actions, but allow his useless actions.

                      -and that would be…Miyamoto Musashi, again. :-D

                    • Colonial Viper

                      gr888…now you’re talking…some days you have to ask yourself which category commenting on the Standard falls into…

                    • ghostrider888

                      well, I like to s p r e a d the word. Somethings gotta rub off. WE ‘know’ these things.

        • prism 10.1.2.2

          OAK
          You seem determined to stick with a biased opinion and then confrontationally face everyone to protect it. There is a window of opportunity showing sun threough it in our area before a possible week’s bad weather why don’t you get some fresh air. You’re getting cabin fever.

          • One Anonymous Knucklehead 10.1.2.2.1

            I asked for supporting material and been told “it’s obvious”.

            I’ve heard a confused melange of so-called “arguments” that contradict one another – “immigration drives wages down and encourages economic growth”, for example.

            Nothing so far to shake my confidence in the finding that low IQ predicts for prejudice.

            But if you’ve got some rational argument as to why immigration, rather than Rogernomics, is at the root of Auckland’s woes I’m all ears.

            • Draco T Bastard 10.1.2.2.1.1

              The immigration policy is part of the Rogernomics attack on workers.

              • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                No, KJT says it started in the 1950s. Rogernomics dates from much later than that.

              • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                Oh. and it’s funny, but there’s extensive analysis on Rogernomics online, but I can’t find any reference to the changes they made to immigration law.

                It’s almost as though you just now pulled that out of thin air. You can recall the changes made to immigration law by the fourth Labour government, can’t you?

                • Draco T Bastard

                  IIRC, they loosened up immigration from what it was previously allowing more people into the country. One change that has happened, although not specifically 1980s, is the loosening up of seasonal work visas, something that never used to exist and it happened because the fruit growers couldn’t find people to do the work for the amount that they wished to pay. It also appears that imported workers are easier to abuse.

                  • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                    Changes to immigration law occurred in 1987, 1991, 2003 and 2007.

                    You will struggle to show any correlation between these changes and income or employment levels, let alone causation.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      It’s almost as if you think that having massive increases in the available labour pool, and capitalists having access to cheaper and more compliant sources of labour, is not an important factor.

                      BTW sometimes it takes years for these changes to have their full effects through society. I wouldn’t be surprised if thousands of sub-minimum wage foreign workers have effectively displaced NZers from farms and orchards all around the country.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      Its almost as though you don’t recognise how the 2007 record employment rate blows your hypothesis out of the water.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      One other factor which is a major driver (perhaps even THE major driver) in employment rate change, as identified by Steve Keen, is acceleration in debt levels.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      Right, so not 1950s, 60s or even 80s immigration policy, then.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      PS: you’re in the same position as those wingnuts who claim that increasing the minimum wage causes unemployment: convinced of something but unable to produce any supporting evidence, and the evidence there is suggests no linkage.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Nah I’m just more familiar with right wing economic strategies than you are, and how the Left has let rings get run around it.

                      PS: you’re in the same position as those wingnuts who claim that increasing the minimum wage causes unemployment:

                      It makes the employment case for marginal businesses less viable under certain circumstances. In some sectors of the economy there will be an offset as more money enters communities, but in some others this effect will be less.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      Then you’ll have no trouble producing the supporting material that shows how immigration causes unemployment and lower wages.

                      Yes, it’s time for you to produce the facts, not your opinions of what must be true.

                    • KJT

                      FFS OAK.

                      Their is a direct cause and effect in my present job between the availability of immigrants, due to it being declared a job where employers can bring in skilled immigrants as of right, and the lower wages than Australia, Singapore and India.

                      Are you still trying to claim that, having a much larger labour pool available, of immigrants, does not affect workers negotiating power and hence wage rates.

                      Bullshit!

                    • ghostrider888

                      that would be “the lower wages” then?
                      same as the Pacific seasonal workers accepting what the orchardists / vinters and the ‘market’ will pay rather than let the produce rot or rip them out all together; maybe plant some more cows.

                    • KJT

                      “you’re in the same position as those wingnuts who claim that increasing the minimum wage causes unemployment: convinced of something but unable to produce any supporting evidence, and the evidence there is suggests no linkage.”

                      Actually, OAK, you are in that position.

                      Claiming that immigration policy does not affect wages, and workers negotiating power.

                      When it manifestly does.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      “It manifestly does”

                      Then you will have no problem producing the evidence that it does instead of a load of unsupported anecdotes about what you reckon, which is that British immigration drives wages down, isn’t it?

                      After all, it’s obvious that if they raise the minimum wage I won’t be able to employ as many people and that will cause unemployment, eh.

                      Go on, plenty of countries have immigration. The ones with more immigration should have lower wages and higher unemployment. It won’t be hard for you to verify that unless you’re talking shit.

                      PS: here’s a head start, Borjas 1999, Duleep 2008, Chiswick 1978, McKenzie 2006, Lubotsky 2007; Beenstock et al. 2005.

                      Studies: lots. Support for your faith-based opinions: not so much.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      Fact: immigrants face significant disadvantages in the employment market.
                      Fact: areas with larger numbers of migrants tend to have lower unemployment and higher wages (the immigrants go where the money is).

                      Prejudice is stupid and racism is wrong and both are useless.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      OAK is that fairly common kind of lefty who switches off his own senses and abdicated it to the research evidence. If its not in the research evidence, its because it doesn’t exist QED.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      :lol: What does that say about the link between low wages, unemployment and immigration policy?

                      Attack the messenger. That always works :lol:

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Real easy idea, see if you can cotton on to it: no more unskilled or low skilled economic migrants if a NZer can do that job today, or can be rapidly trained up to do that job. Yeah? Now what’s your problem.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      The evidence that the problem you seek to cure exists, and is the pressing problem for the Left on this issue, as opposed to protecting migrant workers from the National Party racism and exploitation.

                    • KJT

                      So OAK.
                      The immigrant farmworkers on $3 an hour have nothing to do with immigration policy?

                      Nothing in any “references” I have read, including some you mention contradict what I have been saying. Many support it.

                      However. Carry on arguing with yourself!

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      $3 per hour? Citation please.

                      If true, then yes, being flat-out illegal, it has a lot more to do with local employment conditions than immigration policy.

                      PS: think about it – stronger unions, for example, would prevent this sort of worker exploitation since the DoL isn’t up to the task.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      $3 per hour? Citation please.

                      Because without a citation it doesn’t exist? Gimme a break.

                      I definitely know dairy farm workers who are on the equivalent of $8-$9/hr, not sure about $3.

                      Pull your head out of the sand maybe?

                      I support your call for stronger unions and stronger employment law. But I also support an economic immigration policy which helps young NZers find work at the front of the queue.

                    • RedLogix

                      Or you could address the issues Peters actually raises:

                      An Asian student cheating industry had emerged, a slave trade was running where immigrants were promised jobs and ended up working for nothing, and some tradespeople were concerned about backyard industries springing up that they could not compete with.

                      Or the immigrant workers I saw last year plastering , three stories up on blatantly illegal scaffolding, freezing wet wind … in t-shirts and jandals.

                      And for the most part this exploitation has been imported into this country within the communities involved. The simple non-controversial, non-racist observation is that across Asia values and attitudes are in general very different to those traditional and established here. There is no question that a combination of overpopulation, an over-exploited environment, gross extremes of wealth inequality, a hyper-competitive economic environment and a significantly different religious and cultural heritage plays out quite differently in Asian societies than ours.

                      Of course this general observation cannot be safely projected onto individual Asians. The handful I’ve gotten to know well have all expressed in one form or another that their reason for being here in New Zealand was a desire to escape from exactly these oppressive aspects of this heritage. In particular I know several Asian women (both long-term partners of old friends of mine) explain that while there is no such thing as the perfect man … they hugely enjoy how much easier it is to find a Kiwi guy who will treat them with far less sexism, more respect and equality than they were every likely to find at home.

                      Indeed these are not too dissimilar to the sort of motivations held by many English, Scots and Irish which drove them to risk highly dangerous sailing voyages in the 1800′s, to permanently leave home and all family, and start a wholly new life in this land. But naturally this colonisation process also meant that they inevitably imported a whole baggage compartment of culture and values with them. As the Maori of the era loudly testified to.

                      This process always has consequences that cannot be ignored, or magicked away by playing ‘racism’ card whenever anyone attempts to debate them.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      RL: the problems Peters raises: explain how any of them would be addressed by a change in immigration policy.

                    • RedLogix

                      You miss the obvious parallel. IF Maori in the 1800′s had been in a position to implement an immigration policy, as contrasted to being forced to accept the uncontrolled arrival of hundreds of thousands of immigrants …. then quite possibly the whole process of colonisation which subsequently occurred, and the consequences of which we are still grappling with, might well have taken an entirely different path.

                      Whenever an established population is swamped by the rapid arrival of people with very different values and cultures it always has bad consequences. Equally it is undesirable to close the door to new arrivals completely, so for this reason ALL nations have strong immigration policies to control the process.

                      As a nation we’ve lived through an uncontrolled colonisation once already in our short history; we really don’t need to do anything similar all over again.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      I’m not missing the parallel, I’m just not convinced there’s any evidence it is happening again, especially in regard to “Asian” (what country is that again) migrants.

                      What is happening is that

                      The ethnic mosaic of New Zealand’s population is changing, with the Mäori, Pacific and Asian ethnic groups making up a growing proportion of the population. This reflects past and likely future differentials in fertility, as well as the impact of growing miscegenation (intermarriage) and changes in immigration policy. Also, the Mäori, Pacific and Asian populations have a more youthful age structure and thus a greater built-in momentum for growth than the European population. Coupled with higher fertility for Mäori and Pacific people, and the assumed net migration levels for Asian people, these ethnic groups are likely to grow at a much faster pace than their European counterparts.

                      Question: when Maori make up the largest ethnic group, will white racists continue their obsession with the Chinese?

                    • RedLogix

                      I’m just not convinced there’s any evidence it is happening again, especially in regard to “Asian”

                      I’m using the word ‘Asian’ in it’s broadest sense; covering the broad sweep of ethnicities from India through to Chinese.

                      In 1840 virtually all the non-Maori in this country were a relatively small handful of American whalers and sealers, missionaries and a scattering of adventurers from all over. A mere 50 years later and people were talking about Maori in terms of “smoothing the pillow of a dying race”.

                      The excellent document you link to presents data that when projected over a similar 50 year period could have a similar outcome. And while Asians are at present around 10% of the population, most of them are concentrated in Auckland where the cultural impact .. as Winston points out … is correspondingly greater. Projected over a mere 20-30 years at the current rates of immigration and Auckland will be an almost entirely Asian city.

                      Because winning seats in Auckland is vital to being in government, the pressure to open up immigration even further will become inevitable. This would all be well and good if this is were we want to go as a nation.

                      But can you imagine the Chinese tolerating (proportionately speaking) say 150m Europeans migrating into Beijing … and demanding say … democratic government? Or insisting of the right to form unions, or freedom of religion?

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      I note you failed to even acknowledge, let alone address the issue of Pakeha becoming a minority behind tangata whenua, in favour of a fixation on Chinese.

                      My thesis is that racists will have far more of a problem with that than Chinese becoming a slightly enlarged minority, no matter how hard you blow that dog-whistle.

                      Who gives a shit what the criminal Chinese government would do? Are they supposed to be some sort of benchmark now?

                    • RedLogix

                      I note you failed to even acknowledge, let alone address the issue of Pakeha becoming a minority behind tangata whenua, in favour of a fixation on Chinese.

                      I didn’t bother addressing it because you had already answered the question. Maori and European are perhaps some of the most intermarried populations on Earth. My family has been here since 1832 and I’m one myself.

                      We’ve had a 160 odd years to get used to each other and within another couple of generations the difference between European and Maori/Pacifica will become pretty academic. Even so it will have been a bumpy ride. Colonisation is like that.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      So, what are we left with?

                      Ethnic tests for new immigrants? Racial quotas?

                      Or, as I prefer, would it be better to address issues such as worker exploitation and prejudice against minorities, before deciding that the migrants are the problem?

                    • ghostrider888

                      A valuable contribution by RL is the concept of another ‘colonisation’ underway, and the appeal to that demographic by the politicians.(and OAK’s reiteration that the future is ‘brown’).

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      It’s drawing a long bow to describe the arrival of migrants as ‘colonisation’. Especially given the effect the actual colonisation of Aotearoa New Zealand had upon its inhabitants.

                      Nor has anyone explained why a large migrant population is a bad thing, except to point to abuses of workers’ rights, which we have the tools to address irrespective of immigration policy.

                      The specific ethnicity of the migrants seems to be the most pressing concern, people cite human rights abuses in particular countries as though race were a determining factor in such crimes.

                      It’s always fascinating to witness white privilege bemoaning denial of democracy and human rights abuses, especially accompanied by the assurance that “they” are more prone to it than “we” are. Gentle reader, human rights abuses, corruption, and denial of democracy are equal opportunity offences. Daniel Francois Malan meet Pol Pot meet Augusto Pinochet meet Idi Amin. George W is trying to make eye contact with Indira Ghandi.

                    • Populuxe1

                      CV: “OAK is that fairly common kind of lefty who switches off his own senses and abdicated it to the research evidence. If its not in the research evidence, its because it doesn’t exist QED.”

                      Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Bwahahahahahah *snort* hahahahahah *guffaw* Ouch, my spleen. Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Roll on the flat earth, the geocentric universe, and Creationism. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Fuck that’s funny. Ahahahhahahahahahahahahahah

                      Bad bad lefty for relying on objective studies and not your pitiful, weak human senses, assumptions and prejudices hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

                    • Colonial Viper

                      So how is your scientifically rational and statistically objective world working out for you mate?

                    • Populuxe1

                      “So how is your scientifically rational and statistically objective world working out for you mate?”

                      More effectively than your dark ages superstitious paranoia, petitio principii, onus probandi, cum hoc ergo propter hoc and any number of other informal logical fallacies, I’d wager.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Logic and rationality are merely beginnings, not more.

                    • ghostrider888

                      OAK, “colonization” began with the voyagers, then the traders, the whalers etc; a trickle becomes a flood in time.

                    • Populuxe1

                      “Logic and rationality are merely beginnings, not more.”

                      As opposed to what? Burning old women at the stake as witches because they know something about medical herbs and persecuting people for not believing in the same invisible sky fary as you do? Let’s just all go back to the fucking Dark Ages, eh? It was so much fun back then. Why let ourselves be guided by objective evidence when we can just make shit up when it suits us, like CV?

                    • ghostrider888

                      Gee Pop, rather late for latin, but diligently (public education you see) I’ll look them up. sigh.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      What does someone focussed blindly on his feet like yourself know of this thing called “Dark Ages”?

                    • ghostrider888

                      got the Latin, why didn’t ya just say ‘So’ Pop. Anyway, Draco placed an elegant summary of some anthropological study into the WEIRD culture’s influence on cognition in today’s Open Mike.

      • gobsmacked 10.1.3

        Why are they so scared of rational discussion on the subject?

        Rational discussion is welcome. The question then, is: Does Peters’ speech contribute to rational discussion? And was that its purpose?

        No, and no.

        His pandering to racial prejudice makes it harder to discuss problems and solutions. For example, many people might want to oppose a new brothel in the CBD, but not because the owner is “Hong Kong born”. That’s irrelevant. But Peters takes legitimate concerns and undermines them.

        It’s his old trick, it’s nasty, it’s obvious, and he should be called on it. Every time.

        • KJT 10.1.3.1

          No great fan of Peters, but immigration policy is something that should be discussed.

          Including as yet another, not the sole one as OAK thinks I am saying, enabler of attacks on workers rights.

    • ghostrider888 10.2

      points to OAK and gobsmacked, imo.

  11. tc 11

    Peters is as peters does, all the while Collins self appointed squash commissioner does nothing, what a joke as she should be ticking him off so makes me wonder this is what Slippery and CT want, to let it run awhile at least.

    Oz is no better in terms of racism so kiwis will keep leaving in droves under NACT and be repalced by migrants. This does nothing aside from dog whistling up the rednecks as Winnie looks to get whoever he can to vote NZF it’s a shame as he’s done some good stuff then goes and does this, ah well that’s Winston for ya.

    • Roy 11.1

      Indeed, what the hell is with Devoid saying she doesn’t want to get involved. Why did she apply for her position if she is not prepared to comment on such blatant racism?

      • Draco T Bastard 11.1.1

        She didn’t apply, she was shoulder tapped.

        • fender 11.1.1.1

          Apparently she was hanging out one white sheet and one black sheet on the washing line one day when her neighbour Tony Ryall stuck his shiny head over the fence and declared he had found the new RRC.

  12. Colonial Viper 12

    I like Chinese, they really are eager to please.

    But, it’s been great for our local gangs to have had been helped along the road of professionalisation and international networking by overseas Chinese associates. The Chinese originally helped create the concept of organised crime centuries ago and along with pasta it was a nice little export to Europe through the silk road. Brilliant entrepreneurial people :)

    Btw Eliot Spitzer would say that these days the real money in organised crime comes from legal corporate business with monopoly characteristics.

    • ghostrider888 12.1

      :-D

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 12.2

      I like Taoism. Not so fussed on Confucianism, but I can see why people are drawn to it. I think the invention of moveable typesetting was pretty cool too. Likewise the compass.

  13. ak 13

    Hooters and e spinner both putting the boot in?

    Excellent. Proof positive that Johnny-no-mates’ latest extensive overtures were unsuccessful.

    Watch it Winnie. Now they’ll stop at nothing.

    • Colonial Viper 13.1

      Yeah they can’t believe Winnie’s actually back and desperately want to fuck him for good now.

      In fact, I think the Left should treat Winston like that cantankerous, and slightly racist, old uncle “of that generation” who turns up and annoys a few people at the family gathering, but is otherwise very entertaining and has a lot to contribute.

      DON’T not invite him, just DON’T give him access to the whisky too early in the evening.

      • One Anonymous Knucklehead 13.1.1

        That’s the real reason they oppose NZPower: more of Peters’ supporters will survive through winter.

      • prism 13.1.2

        CV VG +1

      • prism 13.1.3

        CV
        Sounds like the best response to the old ‘statesman’. Now if it was Nick Smith under consideration, he’s just another toy from Macdonalds.

        • Colonial Viper 13.1.3.1

          Indeed. We have all got to know Winston pretty well. We know he’s not leading the BNP. Yes he does himself a disservice by playing the race card and R0b is quite right to criticise him for it. But I wouldn’t write him off because of it.

  14. Pascal's bookie 14

    Where’s Susan Devoy at?

    Not a peep.

    What are we paying her for again?

  15. Chooky 15

    When Winston was Foreign Affairs Minister he got on brilliantly with Asian politicians. They understand each other . They speak the same language. They have the same values, up to a point which, they all recognise ..ie ….FAMILY COMES FIRST! NZers COME FIRST IN NEW ZEALAND!!!!! EMPLOY UNEMPLOYED NZers first! …TRAIN NZers first for employment…LOOK after our own unemployed Kiwis first!…Look after our standard of living and what matters to the most humble NZers first!..

    Winston is not a racist!!!!(That is an ugly slur and by trendo politically correct people who probably have a problem with racism themselves but wont admit it.) One on one Winston gets on very well with Asians. He is after all part Asian; more so with his Maori ancestry than many of his critics. Winston is not a knucklehead and Winston does have a high IQ! ( A lot of criticism directed at Winston I suspect is racist…His career as a politician has probably been knee-capped by covert racism.)

    HOWEVER: Just a pity you cant always trust Winston not to tango with National( although he has spurned their advances on many occasions and he has walked out on them over issues. of principle)… He is like us chooks he jumps from perch to perch..A cunning rooster if ever there was one and not entirely trustworthy!. …Also Winston doesnt seem to like his greens…..A great pity, because we chooks just love our greens!

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 15.1

      Asia. Which country is that again where they all speak the same language?

      Winston may or may not be a bigot, but what is certain is that employing this rhetoric is an appeal to bigotry. His assertions are unsupported. The Left is in the business of protecting migrant minorities, not demonising them.

      • ghostrider888 15.1.1

        *sigh* where is the tree you sit under located, Anonymously; might have to saunter by; it is either leaves, or remains rooted. ;)

    • prism 15.2

      Chooky
      Very amusing intro to Winston a little kind but almost right. You do make him sound more winsome than Winston. And this polly does wear pretty good feathers, an attractive looking and sounding rooster. He’ll cock a snook at them all.

  16. Winston is part Asian?

    ” He is of mixed ethnicity, his father being Māori and his mother being of Scottish descent.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Peters

    Come on Chooky… please correct me or wikipedia if I’m, or they are, wrong :)

  17. Chooky 17

    Are Maori of part Asian ancestry or not?…..Taiwan, Japan , South America , Polynesia?…..depends on how you define Asian….NZ is certainly more in Asia than it is in UK or Europe and the Maori certainly look more Asian than Anglo Saxon or Scottish , the latter of which Winston is anyway( a Scottish Mother he was devoted to)….Lets not get too nit picky, genetic and pedantic about this….Winston is a true NZer!!!! (more so than John Key whose parents came from Austria?)…

    The fact of the matter is that Winston was a very good Minister of Foreign Affairs and he had considerable rapport with Asian leaders. He is no racist!!!!

  18. Clockie 18

    And this:

    There are three theories regarding the spread of humans across the Pacific to Polynesia. These are outlined well by Kayser et al. (2000)[10] and are as follows:

    Express Train model: A recent (c. 3000–1000 BC) expansion out of Taiwan, via the Philippines and eastern Indonesia and from the northwest (“Bird’s Head”) of New Guinea, on to Island Melanesia by roughly 1400 BC, reaching western Polynesian islands right about 900 BC. This theory is supported by the majority of current human genetic data, linguistic data, and archaeological data.
    Entangled Bank model: Emphasizes the long history of Austronesian speakers’ cultural and genetic interactions with indigenous Island Southeast Asians and Melanesians along the way to becoming the first Polynesians.
    Slow Boat model: Similar to the express-train model but with a longer hiatus in Melanesia along with admixture, both genetically, culturally and linguistically with the local population. This is supported by the Y-chromosome data of Kayser et al. (2000), which shows that all three haplotypes of Polynesian Y chromosomes can be traced back to Melanesia.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polynesia#History_of_the_Polynesian_people

    • xtasy 18.1

      While you have a point with this, the history of Polynesia is bound to be much more diverse than many commonly think. For instance Norwegian explorer, adventurer and also scientist Thor Heyerdahl did with excavations, interviewing locals, and with sundry research on Rapanui, Easter Island, establish, that the Polynesians that lived there, and in other parts of the islands, were partly from South American Indian stock.

      Also were excavations and other research on the Marquesan Islands, on Tahiti, other Society Islands and the Cook Islands showing, that there were statues and carvings by the early natives, that resemble very much similar statues in Peru, Ecuador and Bolivia.

      There were even ancient vocal records, referring to travels between South America and the islands of Eastern Polynesia.

      At the same time there has been some evidence that East Asian peoples migrated also into the Americas, over times when there was a crossing possible between Alaska and Siberia, and they mixed and mingled with earlier migrants to the Americas, who in party also are supposed to have some ancient historic ties to Phoenicians, who actually appear to have settled in both North and Central America thousands of years ago.

      But to try and establish a link between Chinese and Polynesians is too much a bow to stretch, as those ancient Taiwanese, that also appear to have travelled to South West and Central Polynesia and Melanesia, are genetically, culturally and otherwise not that much related to the present Han and other Chinese populations. Also was South East Asia settled by Malays and similar groups, after it was for thousands of years rather home to dark skinned native populations, of which the ones living on the Moluccan Islands are remnants.

      Most recent findings suggest, that Australia was even reached by seafarers not only from South East Asia, but also Africa, long before Europeans ever “discovered” it.

      I think there will be much more coming out about history of this and other parts of the world over coming decades. The Europeans only “discovered” much in their own ego centric belief. There were others already living in parts of the world they had not seen before, and they were also in contact, even if just casually, with other people from other regions, long before.

      • Clockie 18.1.1

        Yes ! This gentleman provides an exciting read as well..

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_von_D%C3%A4niken

        • xtasy 18.1.1.1

          Clockie: Looked at that years ago, sorry, he is “outer spaced mad”, he was, since he died of course. NO, that is not what I believe in, but then again, enjoy your reading of whatever.

          • Clockie 18.1.1.1.1

            Xtasy, no offence but I have to tell you that most mainstrean anthropologists view Heyerdahl’s theories in pretty much the same light that most sane people view von Daniken.

            Heyerdahl’s theory of Polynesian origins never gained acceptance among anthropologists.[13] Physical and cultural evidence had long suggested that Polynesia was settled from west to east, migration having begun from the Asian mainland, not South America. In the late 1990s, genetic testing found that the mitochondrial DNA of the Polynesians is more similar to people from southeast Asia than to people from South America, showing that their ancestors most likely came from Asia.[14] Easter Islanders are of Polynesian descent.[15][16]

            Anthropologist Robert Carl Suggs included a chapter titled “The Kon-Tiki Myth” in his book on Polynesia, concluding that “The Kon-Tiki theory is about as plausible as the tales of Atlantis, Mu, and ‘Children of the Sun.’ Like most such theories it makes exciting light reading, but as an example of scientific method it fares quite poorly.”[17]

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_Heyerdahl

            • xtasy 18.1.1.1.1.1

              Explain then please, linguistic correspondence and similarities between Aymara and Quechua Indian language, and other languages in Peru, Ecuador and Bolivia, for instance the use of the word Kumara for the same sweet potato, and what is used for same things in Polynesia, then.

              Explain please the statues in stone and the marae platforms used in not only Rapanui, but also Hiva Oa, Nuku Hiva, islands like Raiatea, Moorea, Tahiti, Cook Islands and so forth, that are in presence totally the same as in South America!

              I feel you are falling for the dominant “lectures”, but as we know, over history, new findings always come up and reverse the interpretation of history. There were fruits, crops and the likes found in Polynesia, that otherwise only occur in South America, the kumara just being one, so how can you believe that such facts are irrelevant?

              I do not believe the present interpretations, and I also believe that Polynesians are of various backgrounds, not just from “Asia”, as that ignores too much other evidence. It is plain ignorant and stupid. But we know, same with other “findings”, once a school of thought gets established, they hammer their views home, and they want to claim exclusive rights under “science”. BS that is.

              • KJT

                Thor Heyerdahl was no sailor, or navigator.

                All sailors with any sense, explore first to windward.

                Find the furthest point they can to windward and then work back towards home.

                Asia to Polynesia makes sense.

                Blowing downwind in a raft, with no chance of getting back if they did not luck on any islands, does not.

                Only idiots go downwind when there is no certainty of finding land.

                How do ensure you get back home, upwind, before your supplies run out?

                • KJT

                  There is an indication, however, that some Polynesians did travel as far as South America and return with at least one variety of sweet potato.

                  http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/01/polynesians-reached-south-america-picked-up-sweet-potatoes-went-home/

                  Genetics and other evidence which was not available in Heyerdahl’s time, and Polynesians own verbal history, has disproved the hypothesis that the Pacific was colonised from America.

                  As someone trained in the art myself, I am totally impressed with their navigation skills.,

                  • xtasy

                    So Polynesians did travel to South America, risking that they may not be able to return to tiny islands in the vast Pacific Ocean, saw some stone statues that locals there had shaped and were worshipping, and then they went back with some sweet potatoes, and perhaps also took some of those heavy statues with them, to erect on their islands?

                    Or alternatively they saw the statues and decided on the spot, hey, they look nice, we will carve the same kind of statues on our islands back home, and then use them for worship?

                    I think you are adhering to selective thoughts here, sticking to the dominant school of thought, that does not allow for alternative scenarios and explanations.

                    Of course the islands were not “colonised” by Americans, but in part they appear to have been settled from there. Possibly there were some islands not even populated by anyone then, when they arrived from the east.

                    There is verbal history about Polynesians’ ancestors having come from the east. And also on Easter Island they talk about two distinct groups of populations living on that island, before the first Europeans ever arrived there. They had a civil war kind of, which wiped out much of their amazing culture. So there must be more to it than capable sailors that went sailing across the ocean to do a bit of travel and trade.

                • xtasy

                  “Blowing downwind in a raft, with no chance of getting back if they did not luck on any islands, does not.”

                  Heyerdahl quoted old records by the first settlers and conquistadores of Spanish descent that arrived in Ecuador and Peru, and they say that the Indians told them of islands to the west – in the vast ocean. They also told them of an ancient king or leader, who left to explore those islands. Hence there was some contact between South America and the Polynesia islands in the east of Polynesia.

                  It would not appear to have been frequent and regular contact, but there was some contact and travel, and it may well have stopped, given the difficulties of travel between those places.

                  Polynesia was settled from both sides, the west (and that is East or South East Asia) and in part from the east. There are also distinct differences between Polynesians in Society Islands, Marquesas and so, compared to those on Samoa and Tonga. The mixing resulted in variations of appearances, I would presume.

                  • Populuxe1

                    Personally I think you’re just jabbering pseudo-science because if you can make a case for a South American connection you think it will miraculously give your future utterances on New Zealand biculturalism greater significance than that of Maori and Pakeha who have lived here for generations.

                    • xtasy

                      “Pseudo science” is for instance history written by Euro centric historians, who also promoted scientific “views” and interpretations that are followed ignoring all other evidence. So I realise that the one clinging to pseudo science may well rather be you, Popoluxe1.

                      And do Polynesians really look so “Asian” (meaning East Asian) to you, to conclude they must come from there? I can only shake my head in disbelief if you think so.

                      As for “bicultural NZ” that was not something I came up with, it used to be common theme in the 1980s and into the 1990s.

                      I do by the way not agree with Winston Peters’ claims, but give him some credit to raise certain issues that should be discussed publicly and fairly. But due to a wrongly interpreted “policital correctness” that much of New Zealand now sticks with, it simply gets ridiculed right from the start, so that no debate is allowed.

                    • Rhinocrates

                      Polynesians really look so “Asian”

                      And so forth.

                      I’m grossly oversimplifying – really, really so, leaving out all sorts of details – but apparently humanity came our of Africa, the Neanderthals arose from an early colonising branch in Europe, the Denisovans arose farther east. All people of European descent have a small percentage of Neanderthal genes as a result of interbreeding, all people of the Pacific and the Americas have that Neanderthal legacy as well as the Denisovan. All, everywhere have undergone their changes as time passed, but as a species, we are remarkably lacking in diversity at the genetic level. A single troop of chimpanzees show more genetic variance than the entire human race. All the racial differences are less than the user preferences on the graphic user interface of the operating system, all represent a great tapestry of time.

                      Listen to someone when they talk about their descent and think of your own, but remember that we are all woven together.

                    • Populuxe1

                      Evidence that Maori are the product of a long and gradual migration from Asia found in Maori mitochondrial DNA and in the mitochondrial DNA of species Maori brought with them:

                      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/02/110203124726.htm

                      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC24590/

                      Me having blond hair doesn’t make me German

                    • ghostrider888

                      Its circa Taiwan.(that’s a Full Stop).(that’s another one).

                    • Rhinocrates

                      And there Populuxe1, you miss the wood for the trees.

                    • xtasy

                      Pop:
                      In the article found under the first link you provided, this is stated in the second-last chapter:
                      “Our study of the mtDNA evidence shows the interactions between the islands of Southeast Asia and the Pacific was far more complex than previous accounts tended to suggest and it paves the way for new theories of the spread of Austronesian languages.”

                      In chapter 4 of that report to which your second link leads, the following is stated:
                      “However, analysis of genetic variation amongst Polynesian populations has provided little evidence regarding the settlement of the Polynesian triangle itself.”

                      The Conclusion summarises this:
                      “This study of mtDNA variation in R. exulans populations from a number of Pacific islands supports the following hypotheses. (i) Colonization of the islands of east Polynesia and subsequent contact occurred from a broad central region that included at least the Southern Cook and Society Islands, but the Marquesas Islands probably should not be considered a part of this central region to the same degree. (ii) A minimum of two introductions of the rat into Hawaii supports suggestions of postsettlement human contact with central east Polynesia. (iii) New Zealand’s prehistoric colonization and contact history included multiple visits from the Southern Cook and Society Islands region and the Kermadecs and may have included earlier exploratory visits and/or unsuccessful colonization attempts. (iv) Intermediary and stepping-stone islands (e.g., the Kermadecs) have a significant role in colonization and subsequent voyaging. (v) Relative accessibility and isolation among islands influence colonization and interaction histories.”

                      So what are you trying to prove or disprove in regards to what I commented?

                      Asia that many thousands of years ago was a rather different place, so yes, it is quite likely that a early travellers and settlers from parts of
                      Central or South East Asia came to the Bismarck Archipelago and settled there. They have though surely had interactions with other people that moved in, through or past over the millenia, so some intermingling happened. Also will there have been cultural influences not having had much of a genetic imprint.

                      This all does not rule out some interaction with, and some influence from South Americans, that occured and had an impact on “Central Polynesia”, being Society Islands and other island groups around there.

                      The Americas were also settled from Asia, by the way!

  19. Rhinocrates 19

    how do all the conservatives in National and ACT feel about working with Winston Peters and his facile, juvenile, anti-China hysteria?

    Devoy scuttles away with Collins’ endorsement, knowing that she’s paid to devalue her job.

    Key will try to brush it aside with a smirk and smarm up to Peters again later. One thing he knows is that in bankstering and politics, grudges hint at principles, and principles are a liability.

    However, how does Mumblefuck’s mob feel about working with Peters, should he hold the balance of power? Is that why Mumblefuck is once again being so piss-weak?

  20. Chooky 20

    Whatever!…..What has this to do with Winston’s concerns about Auckland?…15 story brothels etc….?….How does this help Auckland and the women of Auckland? How do casinos which cater for new immigrant gamblers and new money help old native Aucklanders and those already at the bottom of the heap pokie gamblers?….

    This is not about Winston’s racism…. It is about denigration of Winston as a racist.!!!…It could also be construed as insensitive sexism… a lack of concern for the ordinary NZ women of Auckland and their ability to enjoy their city unmolested and untainted by the surrounding corruption that goes with sexual exploitation of women…….Winston is right to be concerned about immigration.

    • Clockie 20.1

      Chooky: “Winston gets on very well with Asians. He is after all part Asian; more so with his Maori ancestry than many of his critics.”

      “Are Maori of part Asian ancestry or not?…..Taiwan, Japan , South America , Polynesia?…..depends on how you define Asian”

      You asked, I answered..

      I also explained the context (and I think I got the story right)
      in which Winston himself claimed Asian heritage. It does have some bearing, however tangential to the discussion on this thread.

  21. xtasy 21

    Well, another lively debate in this thread, for and against, frowning and also not frowning on Peters, and also in part presenting misinformed bits, that can easily lead to sway the opinion to one or the other side.

    All that I can say to migration of people from especially Mainland China is, that Immigration NZ appears to be a bit incompetent or “stressed” in dealing with many applications from Chinese. It is not just language and cultural aspects, but much of the documentation they have to look at and process.

    I know of one Chinese woman, a friend of a former “associate” of sorts, who has established rather intimate and well connected relationships with a number of Chinese migrants. What I have seen and heard gives me sufficient reason to claim, that there are a fair number of migrants from that country, that should never have been allowed to come and live here, should indeed not have been granted permanent residence. I am sure there are many thousands of such cases.

    This particular woman did what many Chinese migrants do. She consulted Chinese migrant consultants and advisors, Chinese accountants and others, after setting up a small business, that never was profitable, but that was made to “appear” profitable. In short, the figures were always manipulated, but in a way that it was hard to prove this being wrong. So a questionable small “enterprise” was run for a few years, with one goal only, to support a permanent residence application, so that this “business entrepreneur” was granted PR in the end. All the professionals she used to give her support, advice and “cooked figures” and also incorrect documents, were all Chinese. She indeed had and still has very few New Zealand associates, let alone friends.

    The daughter’s intention to study at uni was another motivator to get PR, so she would not have to pay enormous student fees as being a foreign student. A partner of the woman continues to live in China, but was in the end also given PR, but he only comes for short spells now and then, for a visit. He has made lots of money and even supports is wife, and that assisted her to survive here.

    Once she got PR, the shop was closed within months, the business ended, and it was onto the benefit, that is in part. I understand she is able to claim the accommodation supplement, and possibly more, as she has no real job, lives in part from proceeds from China, and has no nother income here.

    Add the many “massage establishments” all over New Zealand, and again I have insider info, and so many now have Mainland Chinese girls and women work there, while here on student or visitors visas. It used to be the Thai women that catered for clientele, but the cheaper Chinese have replaced them. Also add the many small shops that are run by Mainland Chinese, where they have their family work, but employ few if any Kiwis.

    I do not want to appear biased or racist, but there are a many rackets going on, especially by Mainland Chinese. As they are good at what they are doing in this way (cheating their way in), they do mostly not get caught. They also keep a solid wall of silence, so nobody whispers about what goes on.

    Apart from that I suppose that most Chinese coming here do so for honest and fair intentions, but there is sadly a strong element to be concerend about.

    The well-meaning left members do not realise at times the issues at stake, believing firmly in multiculturalism and liberalism. That is fair enough, but also bear in mind, your goodwill, same as that of many NZers, can easily be taken advantage of and abused.

    The example I refereed to is just one amongst many, as that source I have firmly assured me. Better not to talk too much about it, as it may have “harmful” consequences!

    PS:
    My absolutely reliable source, a true “fan” of chinese culture, also told me already years ago, that there are actually dozens, if not hundreds of “advisors” for Chinese migrants, having offices in Queen St, Auckland, who know all about delivering the (manicured and manipulated) documentation that will get Chinese migrants PR! Reason to worry, really, but who cares in “sell out NZ”???

  22. Chooky 22

    Thank God for an intelligent, informed comment! I think there is a great deal of naivety on the part of some well meaning New Zealanders bending over not to be ‘RACIST’. New Zealand is a haven , a heaven on earth, for many of these immigrants( who are not necessarily desirable citizens ,nor have they got here fairly)…and NZ wont stay that way if we have too many of them….this is not racism. I suggest some of the commentators on this site head for China with a backpack and observe how grossly overpopulated it is , and the quality of life and values( least they be taken for FOOLS!)…..better still visit Tibet, and talk to the Tibetans!.

    I am inclined to believe we have to protect the NZ paradise we have, ignore the money men, by all means accept genuine refugees and for the rest of the would be economic migrants and new money business ventures, only pick a few of the ones we really need and who genuinely want to and who will fit into New Zealand culture. They will become valued NZ citizens and there will be no racial tension. We owe this respect to ourselves and our children and our culture…. which is very vulnerable at the present time.

    Grossly overpopulated countries where human life is cheap and the environment degraded should sort out there own MAN made problems…. Good on Winston for standing up and speaking out !

  23. Red says way up thread “Or you could address the issues Peters actually raises:”

    I don’t think winston has credibility regarding any gambling issues, he was Minister of Horseys after all.

    And i don’t think it will be just Chinese that frequent that brothel.

    And I think any workers bought in for any industry or activity need to be protected from exploitation and not from the Chinese as many workers will already attest.

    IMO The fact is that this call is xenophobic and perhaps racist.

    A thought experiment – do you think he would be saying these things if, after a major ecological disaster in the UK a million people came here? (obviously that wouldn’t include the various people from colonised countries that have made their home there – oh no they would have to be “like us” lol) – I don’t think so.

    The only saving grace is that the debate isn’t based on people who have the faith of Islam – now that would really bring the bad side of people out.

    • Populuxe1 23.1

      A thought experiment that relies of subjective assumptions and no real data, which I think is usually referred to as a straw man.

      • marty mars 23.1.1

        A straw man or straw person, also known in the UK as an Aunt Sally,[1][2] is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent’s position.[3]
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

        A thought experiment or Gedankenexperiment (from German) considers some hypothesis, theory,[1] or principle for the purpose of thinking through its consequences.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_experiment

        Seems much closer to a thought experiment because of the thinking through of consequences aspect rather than a misrepresentation of an opponents position for the basis of argument, to me. I suppose I could have couched it in formal language for those that can’t see the wood for the trees like you pops, but I realise that you don’t really care anyway do you.

  24. vto 24

    Look, New Zealand has a great deal of experience in the arrival of unwelcome people from across the seas.

    What would Maori do? After all, they have been through it before.

    • Populuxe1 24.1

      And yet you have the nerve to question things like the presence of Kai Tahu in th eplanning of the Christchurch rebuild.

      • vto 24.1.1

        “And yet you have the nerve to question things like the presence of Kai Tahu in th eplanning of the Christchurch rebuild.”

        And there folks is the heart of the problem with race and related issues in NZ….

        Perhaps for your credibility pop you could expand on your “nerve” point there. What do you mean by that? Or is it clear that we the people are supposed to just sit down and shut up?

        (and as for the Ngai Tahu and RMA position in the central city rebuild – you failed spectacularly in any sense to understand what the issue was. Feel free to have another crack if you wish though)

        We mustn’t question things.
        We must bow down to greater powers.
        We must listen to those who know more.
        We must serve.
        We must remain in our pews.

        ffs

        • ghostrider888 24.1.1.1

          Master and Slave Morality, sorta’ captures all (most) really.

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  • DIRT ALERT! – Are The Greens And Labour About To Become The Targets O...
    Deja Vu All Over Again? Are we about to see a repeat of the 2005 negative advertising campaign  launched in secret against the Greens and Labour? WE’VE SEEN IT ALL BEFORE. In 2005 pamphlets began appearing all over New Zealand attacking Labour...
    Bowalley Road | 29-08
  • Call for Aaron Bhatnagar’s resignation from govt body
    .   . One of the many sordid “bit”-players in Nicky Hager’s book, “Dirty Politics“, and one of Cameron Slater’s inner-cabal, is businessman, National Party card-carrying cadre,  and former city councillor, Aaron Bhatnagar; . . In 2008, Bhatnagar was caught...
    Frankly Speaking | 29-08
  • Call for Aaron Bhatnagar’s resignation from govt body
    .   . One of the many sordid “bit”-players in Nicky Hager’s book, “Dirty Politics“, and one of Cameron Slater’s inner-cabal, is businessman, National Party card-carrying cadre,  and former city councillor, Aaron Bhatnagar; . . In 2008, Bhatnagar was caught...
    Frankly Speaking | 29-08
  • Wynyard Cycling Complaints
    The new Waterfront Promenade linking the Harbour Bridge to Wynyard Quarter will be fantastic when finished later this year however its completion will leave a gap in the network through Wynyard Quarter itself. Auckland Transport and Waterfront Auckland are going to be...
    Transport Blog | 29-08
  • Something to do today
    From the FaceBook page: NATIONAL: NOT OUR FUTUREMARCHES ACROSS NEW ZEALANDAUCKLAND RALLY SATURDAY 30th AUGUST. AOTEA SQUARE, 1PMThree weeks before the election, action is being taken across the country voicing a rejection of the National Government's track record and direction....
    The Jackal | 29-08
  • Slater packs a sad
    H/T Porcupine FarmWe all know that Cameron Slater AKA Whale Oil is a bit of a dick at the best of times. His stupidity and vindictive nature is clearly evident throughout the book Dirty Politics and on his discredited blog...
    The Jackal | 29-08
  • Key weak on Collins coup attempt
    Politics is a strange old chestnut with the motivations of those playing the game not always apparent to the rest of us. However, more often than not the politicians invariably only have their own vested interests at heart with little...
    The Jackal | 29-08
  • Koretake II
    The Crown is to appeal against the son of Kingi Tuheitia not being convicted - in a case where the other offenders were all let off without convictions without any name suppression - and the Crown is not to appeal...
    Tumeke | 29-08
  • Another meteorite
    In 2003, the Court of Appeal delivered a bombshell ruling in Ngati Apa v Attorney-General: the crown had not generally extinguished Maori customary rights over the foreshore and seabed, and ownership of particular areas of the foreshore and seabed was...
    No Right Turn | 29-08
  • Who says organisation, says oligarchy
    So Andrew Williams has decided to do a Winston Peters and go off to Court to try and stop "his" party from excluding him as a candidate....
    Pundit | 29-08
  • John Key’s Top 69 Lies: Today no. 22 -What Cunliffe said about Lochin...
     Key says Cunliffe's Lochinver sale stance weakening Prime Minister John Key said "A couple of weeks ago (David Cunliffe) was screaming at New Zealanders that he would stop the sale (of Lochinver station); last night he was essentially saying, 'I'm going...
    Arch Rival | 29-08
  • Oxfam: saving the tava’e (and the world)
    This guest post is by Oxfam NZ‘s (relatively) new director, Rachael Le Mesurier. She’s off to the UN conference on Small Island Developing States in Apia next week, and here provides an interesting overview of the climate, sea level and...
    Hot Topic | 29-08
  • Robin Hood tax and other clever ways to help our kids
    MEDIA RELEASE: 28th AUGUST 2014 “Robin Hood tax and other clever ways to help our kids” It’s time to talk about tax. Not just income tax but other kinds of tax too. It’s time to talk about Capital Gains Tax,...
    Closing the Gap | 29-08
  • Government to save $400 million by doing ice bucket challenge on behalf of ...
    Turkmenistan’s challenge to New Zealand comes just one week after Pope Francis apparently died attempting to avoid his own $100 donation. The National Government this afternoon announced plans to save New Zealand in excess of $400 million by performing an...
    The Civilian | 29-08
  • Green Election Policy Highly Sophisticated.
    As each new election policy is released by the Greens I am impressed by the depth of thinking, costing and multiple benefits that come with them. We have made a convincing impression this election that we are ready to govern...
    Local Bodies | 29-08
  • Stuart’s 100 #17: A Greater Auckland?
    17: A Greater Auckland? What if we felt like we lived in an Auckland that was greater than the sum of its parts? This is perhaps one of the reoccurring themes in my 100 days project. It reflects the public...
    Transport Blog | 29-08
  • Green Party companion leaders’ debate
    The Greens take an inclusive approach to being excluded. So when we were shut out of the TVNZ leaders’ debate (despite being New Zealand’s third largest party, and despite the two-handed Key-Cunliffe format feeling more like a throwback to First...
    frogblog | 29-08
  • Shouldn’t this farmer be prosecuted for bribery?
    The Waikato Regional Council, in reporting on the fine handed down to a polluting farmer, also has some disturbing news:During the course of the Waikato Regional Council inspections that led to the prosecution, Bilkar Singh, a director of B &...
    No Right Turn | 29-08
  • Whatever happened to liberty?
    Yesterday, the Independent Police Conduct Authority released a report finding that police routinely exceeded their powers in shutting down "out of control" parties, invading people's homes, assaulting people, using excessive force (in some cases causing significant injury), and shutting down...
    No Right Turn | 29-08
  • Viewers judge TV3 to be winner in TV One leaders’ debate
    Key says the poll shows that Labour is 4% worse than gouging your eyes out, while National is only 2% worse. A snap political poll taken after last night’s leader’s debate on TV One has revealed that most New Zealanders...
    The Civilian | 29-08
  • Kiwis care about inequality
    Inequality has emerged as the key issue in the election campaign:The gap between rich and poor is by far the biggest issue facing New Zealand three weeks before election day, a new poll has found. The Roy Morgan Research poll...
    No Right Turn | 29-08
  • Something to do on Saturday
    There will be a series of anti-government marches in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin on Saturday:The Auckland rally starts at Aotea Square, Wellington at Te Papa marching to Parliament, Dunedin held at the Octagon and the Christchurch rally at Haley...
    No Right Turn | 29-08
  • Speaker: Rocking in the Public Good: Hager and Shihad
    Seldom has New Zealand seen such super-harmonies in the traditionally separate spheres of music  and investigative journalism. The release of New Zealand prog-rocker Nicky Hager’s latest album Dirty Politics coincided with the well known citizen journalist group Shihad’s book FVEY,...
    Public Address | 29-08
  • The cost of irrigation
    At the moment, the government is pushing irrigation and water storage as a way of increasing milk production and boosting the economy. Critics have argued that the result will be dirty, polluted rivers unfit for recreational use. And we've just...
    No Right Turn | 29-08
  • An empty void at the heart of the election
    Its election time. The blog should be humming. Its not. Why? Because there's not enough policy to comment on. Note that this is not a complaint about Dirty Politics. How power is exercised and the ethics displayed in doing so...
    No Right Turn | 29-08
  • Making money out of fanatics
    Click on image to enlarge This looks like a Xcd cartoon. I picked it up from a new Facebook page The Girl Against Fluoride Lies. Good to see more and more Facebook pages like this. Speaking of fluoride – the cartoon sort...
    Open Parachute | 29-08
  • Debate 1
    As you know, there was a debate last night, and the consensus appears to be that David Cunliffe won. (The strongest clue that National also thinks Cunliffe won is that Kiwiblog has seven posts up this morning to change the...
    Polity | 29-08
  • Britomart precinct quick wins
    It has now been three months since Janette Sadik-Khan visited Auckland and showed us how easy it was to create a more liveable city by making things better for people to walk and cycle around, and best of all we...
    Transport Blog | 29-08
  • Poll of Polls update – 29 August 2014
    The polls are coming thick and fast. There must be an election on… Yesterday, we had the release of the latest Herald Digipoll, while this morning it’s the Fairfax Ipsos poll. In the Digipoll, National are up 0.7% to 50.7%,...
    Occasionally erudite | 28-08
  • World News Brief, Friday August 29
    Top of the AgendaUkraine Accuses Russia of Invasion...
    Pundit | 28-08
  • Hard News: Friday Music: Tramadol Rock
    I saw Samuel Flynn Scott a couple of times last year at the time he was suffering through a back injury in a haze of painkillers. It made for a fairly spaced out Phoenix Foundation show at the Powerstation --...
    Public Address | 28-08
  • Vale Brad Fletcher, MUNZ Lyttelton Branch President
    The Maritime Union is greatly saddened by the death of Maritime Union Lyttelton Branch President Brad Fletcher in a workplace accident on Thursday 28 August 2014. Maritime Union National Secretary Joe Fleetwood says the death of Brad Fletcher, a full-time...
    MUNZ | 28-08
  • Matthew Hooton (Fanatical National Supporter) Says Key is “Dishonest”
    This morning on Radio Live, Matthew Hooton has said what John Key is saying about about not being told of the SIS Official Information Request release to Scumbag Adulterous Blogger Cameron Slater, is “unbelievable”....
    An average kiwi | 28-08
  • Labour’s plan to end homelessness
    Labour has a comprehensive approach to end homelessness starting with the provision of emergency housing for 1000 people each year and putting an end to slum conditions in boarding houses, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Labour believes that homelessness is not...
    Labour | 30-08
  • Labour: A smarter approach to justice
    A Labour Government will improve the justice system to ensure it achieves real public safety, provides equal access to justice and protects human rights, Labour’s Justice spokesperson Andrew Little says. “Our approach is about tackling the root causes of crime, recognising...
    Labour | 29-08
  • Labour to foster Kiwi love of sport and the great outdoors
    A Labour Government will promote physical activity, back our top athletes and help foster Kiwis’ love of the great outdoors by upgrading tramping and camping facilities. Trevor Mallard today released Labour’s sports and recreation policy which will bring back a...
    Labour | 29-08
  • Pacific languages recognised under Labour
    Labour will act to recognise the five main Pacific languages in New Zealand including through the education system, said Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. Announcing Labour’s Pacific Island policy he said that there must be a strong commitment to...
    Labour | 29-08
  • No healthy economy without a healthy environment
    Labour recognises that we cannot have a healthy economy without a healthy environment, says Environment spokesperson Moana Mackey announcing Labour’s environment policy. “New Zealand’s economy has been built on the back of the enormous environmental wealth we collectively enjoy as...
    Labour | 28-08
  • Better protection, fairer deal for Kiwi consumers
    Tackling excessive prices, ensuring consumers have enough information to make ethical choices and giving the Commerce Commission more teeth are highlights of Labour’s Consumer Rights policy. “The rising cost of living is a concern for thousands of Kiwi families. A...
    Labour | 28-08
  • Media Advisory – MANA Movement Candidate for Waiariki Annette Sykes, Waia...
    Media are advised that this coming weekend, the MANA Movement Candidate for Waiariki, Annette Sykes, will be on the Internet MANA Road Trip within the electorate of Waiariki. Speakers confirmed are Annette Sykes, Hone Harawira, John Minto, Laila Harre and Kim...
    Mana | 27-08
  • Internet MANA – Waiariki Road Trip: 29, 30, 31 Aug 2014
    The Internet MANA Road Trip hits Waiariki this weekend. It would be great if all MANA members in Waiariki could especially attend the public meetings and show their support for our Waiariki candidate Annette Sykes. Confirmed speakers Hone Harawira (except Taupo), Annette...
    Mana | 27-08
  • First home buyers $200 a week better off with Labour
    A couple earning around $75,000 a year would be $200 a week better off buying a two bedroom terraced Labour KiwiBuild home instead of an equivalent new build under National’s housing policy, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe.  “National’s policy to...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Another Day – Another big power profit
    The latest profit announcement from Genesis Energy shows that the power company was sold for a song to the detriment of the country’s power consumers, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “A net profit of $ 49.2 million follows hard...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour embraces the rainbow
    Labour will work hard to ensure all New Zealanders enjoy the freedom to grow up and live their lives in dignity and security. Labour’s Rainbow policy, released tonight in Wellington, focuses on International Relations, Human Rights and Education....
    Labour | 26-08
  • National gets fast and loose with the facts
    In their desperation to make it look as though they are doing something about the housing crisis, National is playing fast and loose with the facts, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford....
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour will drop power prices for Kiwi families
    New Zealanders will get cheaper power prices under NZ Power, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “The electricity market is clearly broken. With falling demand for electricity, prices should be going down. Instead prices are going up and companies are extracting...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour: Promoting sustainable tourism
    Ensuring New Zealand’s clean, green status continues to be an international tourism benchmark and reviewing MBIE’s oversight of the tourism sector will be on the radar under a Labour Government. Releasing Labour’s Tourism policy today, spokesperson Darien Fenton said tourism...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Skills shortage a result of National’s complacency
    The fact that there is still a severe shortage of skilled tradespeople, despite a growth in the number of apprentices, is a result of National’s failure to plan and develop the workforce, Grant Robertson, Labour Employment, Skills and TrainingSpokesperson says."The...
    Labour | 26-08
  • How much tax does John Key pay compared to a minimum wage worker?? – Mint...
    MANA Movement Economic Justice spokesperson John Minto is calling for a radical overhaul of New Zealand’s taxation system with calculations showing that a minimum wage worker pays a ten times higher tax rate than the Prime Minister. o Minimum wage...
    Mana | 25-08
  • Labour’s culture of science and innovation
    Labour will create a culture of science and innovation in New Zealand that will be the envy of the world, says Labour’s Innovation, Research and Development spokesperson Megan Woods. “Labour believes that good science lies at the heart of a...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Improving life for our new New Zealanders
    New Zealand’s international standing as a community that encourages and fosters all cultures will be bolstered under a Labour Government with an upgrade of the present Office of Ethnic Affairs to a Ministry. Releasing Labour’s Ethnic Affairs policy, spokesperson Phil...
    Labour | 25-08
  • South Auckland housing crisis
    National’s HomeStart package is nothing more than a political stunt designed to beguile South Auckland voters, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. “Few working Pasifika and Maori workers in South Auckland will be able to buy their own...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Home buyer subsidy discredited in Oz
    Treasury advised against National’s policy of ramping up home buyer subsidies after it was discredited in Australia because it pushed house prices even higher, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “Documents released under the OIA (attached) show Treasury advised the...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Nursing hours explain turnover and high-stress culture
    A staff survey supports concerns nursing staff at Dunedin Hospital are under increasing pressure and that the emergency department is in a critical state, says Labour’s Associate Health Spokesperson David Clark.  “An ED nursing survey at Dunedin found that 80...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Underhand tactics prove case for axing donations
    Revelations that schools are using underhand tactics to coerce donations from cash-strapped parents further highlights the need for Labour's plan to increase funding so they aren't dependent on contributions from parents, Labour's Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “By law New...
    Labour | 24-08
  • National applies band-aid to housing crisis
    The Government’s flagship housing announcement is a band-aid approach that will push up prices rather than solve the housing crisis, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “House sales to first home buyers have collapsed as a direct result of the Government’s...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Climate change focus on the now for the future
    A Labour Governmentwill put in place a comprehensive climate change strategy focusing on bothmitigation and adaptation, establish an independent Climate Commission andimplement carbon budgeting, says Labour Climate Change spokesperson MoanaMackey."This is about future-proofing our economy. Making the transition to alow-carbon...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Labour’s 21st century transport pledge
    The next Labour-led Government will create a 21st century transport system for New Zealand that promotes the most efficient and sustainable combination of transport options, says Labour’s Transport spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour will rebalance the Government's transport spending away from...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Housing under National: the facts
    1.       House prices in Auckland Council valuations indicate Auckland house prices have gone up by one-third over the last three years. (Auckland Council) The average Auckland house price has gone up by nearly $225,000 since 2008, up over $75,000 in...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Labour irons out low income tax issue
    The increasing casualisation of work has led to many New Zealand families being disadvantaged through the tax they pay, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. "Many low paid workers are having to work two or three jobs to make ends meet...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Cornered Government comes out swinging
    The National Government is so desperate to keep its dead-in-the-water expert teachers policy alive, it has refused to rule out forcing schools to participate through legislation, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “John Key today attacked the Educational Institute for...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Pacific people continue to go backwards under National
    A report from Victoria University highlights the fact that Pacific people are continuing to go backwards under a National Government, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio.  “The report shows the largest inequality increases were in smoking, obesity, tertiary...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Wellington transport plan needs to keep moving
    The failure of the Transport Agency to properly look at alternatives to the Basin Reserve flyover is not a good reason for further delays to improving transport in Wellington, Labour MPs Grant Robertson and Annette King say. “The Board of...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Labour’s focus on inequality, kids and better job prospects
    Tackling child poverty and removing barriers to people working part time to enhance their prospects of moving into a fulltime job are highlights of Labour’s Social Development policy. Releasing the policy today, spokesperson Sue Moroney said while part-time work was...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Political staff should give answers under oath
    The Inspector General of Security and Intelligence should use her full statutory powers to question witnesses under oath about the leak of SIS information, says Labour MP Phil Goff. “Leakage of confidential information from the SIS for political purposes is...
    Labour | 21-08
  • High dollar, hands-off Govt sends workers to dole queue
    The loss of up to 100 jobs at Croxley stationery in Auckland is devastating news for their families and the local Avondale community, Labour’s Employment, Skills and Training spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “The company’s inability to compete in international markets...
    Labour | 21-08
  • National’s flagship education policy dead in the water
    National’s plan to create executive principals and expert teachers is effectively dead in the water with news that 93 percent of primary teachers have no confidence in the scheme, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “The fact that teachers are...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Dunedin will be a knowledge and innovation centre under Labour
    Dunedin will become a knowledge and innovation centre under a Labour Government that will back local businesses, support technology initiatives and fund dynamic regional projects, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Nowhere has the National Government’s short-sightedness been more apparently than...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Inquiry into SIS disclosures the right decision
    Labour MP Phil Goff says the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has done the right thing by launching an inquiry into the disclosure of SIS documents about a meeting between himself and the agency’s former director-general. “This inquiry is necessary...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Labour – supporting and valuing carers and the cared for
    Placing real value on our elderly and the people who care for them will be a priority for a Labour Government, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. Releasing Labour’s Senior Citizens policy today David Cunliffe promised that a Labour Government would...
    Labour | 20-08
  • By Hoki! It’s Labour’s fisheries policy
    A Labour Government will protect the iconic Kiwi tradition of fishing by improving access to the coast, protecting the rights of recreational fishers and reviewing snapper restrictions, Labour’s Fisheries spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “Catching a fish from the rocks, beach...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Mighty River – Mighty Profits – Mighty hard to swallow
    Mighty River Power’s profit increase of 84 per cent is simply outrageous, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “Demand for electricity is flat or declining yet the company has made enormous profits. It is the latest power company to celebrate...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Collins’ actions were wrong, not unwise
    John Key’s moral compass remains off-kilter as he cannot bring himself to declare Judith Collins’ actions outright wrong, not simply ‘unwise’, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “Under pressure John Key is finally shifting his stance but his failure to condemn...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Public servants behaving with more integrity than their masters
    The State Services Commission's new report on the integrity of our state services reflects the yawning gap between the behaviour of public servants and that of their political masters, Labour's State Services spokesperson Maryan Street says. “This report, which surveyed...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Phil Twyford Speech to NZCID
    "Labour's plan to build more and build better: how new approaches to housing, transport and urban development will deliver cities that work" Phil Twyford, Labour Party spokesperson on housing, transport, Auckland issues, and cities.  ...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Labour commits to independent Foreign Affairs and Trade
    “Labour is committed to New Zealand’s Foreign Affairs and Trade policy being independent and proactive, Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer says. “We are a small but respected country. Our voice and actions count in international affairs. Labour will take a...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Key must sack Collins over abhorrent actions
    The latest revelations that Judith Collins sent the contact details of a public servant to WhaleOil in a desperate attempt to divert media attention from a bad story is abhorrent, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key and Judith Collins...
    Labour | 19-08
  • It’s downhill from here under National
    The forecast drop in exports and predicted halving of growth shows that it’s downhill from here with National, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Growth under this Government peaked in June and halves to two per cent in coming years....
    Labour | 19-08
  • John Key loses moral compass over Collins
    John Key has lost his moral compass over Judith Collins’ involvement with Cameron Slater and lost touch with New Zealanders’ sense of right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “Whoever is Prime Minister there are expectations they will not...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Mana Movement General Election 2014 List confirmed
    The MANA List is now confirmed with all the candidates as below (the numbers are the respective Internet MANA rankings). Candidate, Electorate, Internet MANA List Position Hone Harawira, Te Tai Tokerau (1) Annette Sykes, Waiariki (3) John Minto, Mt Roskill (4) Te Hamua Nikora, Ikaroa-Rawhiti...
    Mana | 18-08
  • PREFU likely to confirm dropping exports
    National’s economic management will be put under the spotlight in tomorrow’s PREFU given clear signs the so-called rock star economy has fallen off the stage, with plummeting prices for raw commodity exports, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Under National,...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Record profits while Kiwis face a cold winter
    The record profits by two of New Zealand’s largest electricity companies will be a bitter pill for New Zealand households who are paying record amounts for their power, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “No doubt the Key government will...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Time for John Key to answer yes or no questions
    John Key’s train-wreck interview on Morning Report shows he is no longer capable of a simple yes or no answer and has lost touch with what’s right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key has become so media...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Review: Hairspray
      Oh Hairspray! What fun! Somehow I managed to miss the movie when it came out, I had no idea really what it was about though I felt it had a vague relation to High School Musical. In retrospect, that...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Mounting global pressure against Timor-Leste’s ‘death sentence’ media...
    East Timor’s José Belo … courageous fight against ‘unconstitutional’ media law.Image: © Ted McDonnell 2014 CAFÉ PACIFIC and the Pacific Media Centre Online posted challenges to the controversial ‘press law’ nine months ago when it emerged how dangerous this draft...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Spies, Lies and When Campaigns Are Fried
    Like most of the rest of the nation’s political classes, I was eagerly affixed to TV One from 12:30 on Saturday afternoon to witness the downfall of Judith Collins.Whenever we witness the crumbling of a titan of the political landscape...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • BREAKING: Whaleoil crushes Crusher
    Judith ends up shooting herself A new email has been released suggesting that Collins was attempting to undermine the head of Serious Fraud Office with the help of far right hate speech merchant Cameron Slater. Unbelievable!   She has been forced...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • BREAKING: Rumours Judith Collins gone at lunchtime
    Brook Sabin first of the mark with rumours Judith Collins is about to resign – PM announcing a statement at 12.30pm… …Paddy follows… …Vance confirms..   …if Collins is gone by lunchtime, it will be because the PM understands the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • BREAKING: UPDATE on DIRT ALERT!
    Thanks to the information passed to Chris Trotter by “Idiot/Savant” from No Right Turn it is now possible to identify at least some of the persons involved in this latest example of attack politics. What follows is Chris’s response to Idiot/Savant’s timely assistance: Well done...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Comparing burning puppets, hip hop lyrics and drunk student chants to black...
    Watching the mainstream media try and obscure Cunliffe’s surprise win in the leaders debate  is a reminder the Press Gallery is in depressed shock. The current spin line from the Wellington bubble media in the wake of Dirty Politics is that...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Why has it all gone quiet on Charter Schools?
    They’re one of ACT’s flagship policies and the National Party have been gung ho in supporting them. So how come we’re not hearing Hekia Parata, Jamie Whyte, Catherine Isaac, et al singing from the rafters about what a resounding success charter...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Moment of Truth – September 15th – Auckland Town Hall
    Moment of Truth – September 15th – Auckland Town Hall...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • EXCLUSIVE: Dirt Alert! Are the Greens and Labour about to become the target...
    WE’VE SEEN IT ALL BEFORE. In 2005 pamphlets began appearing all over New Zealand attacking Labour and the Greens. For a couple of days both the parties targeted and the news media were flummoxed. Who was behind such an obviously...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • The Donghua Liu Affair: the Press Council’s decision
    . . 1. Prologue . The Donghua Liu Affair hit  the headlines on 18 June, with allegations that David Cunliffe wrote a letter in 2003,  on  behalf of  business migrant, Donghua Liu. Four days later, on Sunday 22 June, the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • The difference between Cunliffe & Key in the debate
    It was with much interest that I watched the leaders debate on Thursday night.  I watched with an open mind, always happy to have my opinion changed.  Maybe John Key is all the wonderful things that many say about him,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Denis Tegg – When Did We Agree To Our Data Being Shared with ...
    New shocking evidence has emerged from Edward Snowden’s trove of documents about a program called ICREACH under which data collected by the GCSB is shared with 23 US spy agencies. Under new sharing agreements which appear to have commenced immediately after...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Why Internet MANA are the best political friends the Greens could ever get
    Metiria at last nights #GreenRoomNZ: standing on the shoulders and camera cases of giants  NZers, regardless of political spectrum or apathy level, have a wonderful beach cricket egalitarianism about us. If we can objectively conclude a winner, then that person...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Sick of the Sleaze? Protest against National’s dirty politics THIS SATURD...
    Sick of the Sleaze? Protest now dammit! Three weeks before the election, action is being taken across the country voicing a rejection of the National Government’s track record and direction. Rallies are being held in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Sir Edmund Thomas – Address at Nicky Hager public meeting
    I regard it as privilege to chair this public meeting. I have long had the greatest admiration for Nicky Hager’s work, and nothing I have read or heard in the media over the past week or so has caused me...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Labour and New Zealand Superannuation
    The kerfuffle in the wake of Nicky Hager’s Dirty Politics has had a detrimental impact on our discussion of economic policies. Signs are that the main beneficiaries of the dirty politics revelations will be Winston Peters and Colin Craig; certainly National suffered...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Mike Hosking and the Leader’s Debat...
    A few weeks ago I blogged that Mike Hosking was a terrible choice as moderator for the TV One Party Leader’s Debate, because he is so embarrassingly biased in favour of John Key. So I watched the show with curiosity,...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Democracy and Cancer: A critical analysis of Dirty Politics
    Twenty years ago, England’s renowned television playwright Denis Potter died of pancreatic cancer.  Readers may recall his two masterpieces ‘Pennies from Heaven’ and ‘The Singing Detective’.  During a final television interview with Melvyn Bragg, Potter declared that he had named...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Cunliffe beats Key in First Leaders debate
    I watched the First Leaders debate at the Green Party #GreenRoomNZ, they were very kind to include me and the atmosphere was great. The debate was a resounding victory to Cunliffe. He won Round 1, Round 2, Round 3 and...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • LIVE STREAM: The Green Room Leader’s Debate from 6:30pm
    The Green Room will be hosted by media commentator Russel Brown, and will feature Green Co-leaders Metiria Turei and Russel Norman responding to the debate live, along with comment from thought leaders and commentators. ‘The Green Room’ 6pm – 8.30pm...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • How many taxpayer funded staff does John Key need to prepare for a Leaders ...
    John Key is currently at the Auckland Stamford Plaza with 40 staff, 4 undercover police cars and an entire floor booked out in preparation for tonights Leader’s debate. Isn’t 40 staff including coms, flown up to Auckland for a debate...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • A brief word on National Party Rodney MP, Mark Mitchell
    MP considers legal action against Nicky HagerThe National MP says he is considering taking a defamation case after the September 20 election.“Someone needs to be held accountable,” he said. Oh really champ? Brothers and sisters, there is a long way...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Greens advertise on Whaleoil – but not on The Daily Blog?
    PaknSave have shown ethical compass and blocked adverts on Whaleoil, yet the Greens are advertising on Whaleoil, and not The Daily Blog? I would imagine there are far more potential Green voters on The Daily Blog then ever are on...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • It’s about the stupid economy stupid
    In focus group meetings, the sleepy hobbits of NZ by a staggering amount all believe that National are better economic stewards of the country than Labour, that’s why, instead of answering questions about blackmailing MPs, trawling brothels for dirt on...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Labour Policy vs National Policy
    John Key’s favourite defence spin at the moment is people want to talk about policy and not hear answers on the ethics of trawling brothels, why Slater was given SIS information, blackmailing MPs into standing down, rigging candidate elections and hacking...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • The Green Room live streamed on TDB 6.30pm tonight for First Leaders debate
    The ‘Green Room’ will stream 6.pm tonight on The Daily Blog during the TV One leaders’ debate.Use #GreenRoomNZ to join in. The Green Room will be hosted by media commentator Russel Brown, and will feature Green Co-leaders Metiria Turei and Russel Norman responding...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Manukau East – the next Coalition in action
    A couple of weeks ago I had the pleasure of opening Voice Up – a youth forum run by young people in Otara. I had been asked as Chair of the Local Board to set the scene, encouraging young people...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – The Big Bang Theory
    It’s a shame that it took a brain injury for me to start seeing things with such startling clarity. The realisation that lawyering, fishing, parenting, selling cars and racing yachts had common themes was stunning. Not perhaps as stunning as...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, how much Key aro...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • 5AA Australia – New Zealand’s Dirty Politics Aftermath and Polls
    MIL OSI – Source: Selwyn Manning – Analysis Headline: 5AA Australia – New Zealand’s Dirty Politics Aftermath and Polls 5AA Australia: On this week’s Across the Ditch bulletin on 5AA Australia, host Peter Godfery and Selwyn Manning discuss the aftermath...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • La’o Hamutuk calls for inquiry into Timor GAP ‘mismanagement’ of oil ...
    The Suai project on the South Coast … “liberated” land but confused communities.Photo: La’o Hamutuk David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific. AN INDEPENDENT Timor-Leste development and social justice agency has called for an inquiry into the Timor GAP corporation...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • What Is Nicky Hager?
    WHAT WILL HISTORY MAKE of Nicky Hager? That slight, perpetually boyish, journalist who descends periodically, like the admonishing angel in a medieval mystery play, to trouble our consciences and wreak merry havoc with the orderly conduct of our political affairs....
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Can anyone in msm explain how after Dirty Politics that they all got played...
    Would you not think, that after reading Dirty Politics, that our mainstream media wouldn’t allow themselves to get tricked and played again by the VERY SAME discredited pundits? The best new feature on Radio NZ is their ‘Blog Watch’ and their...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Crusher Collins caught out lying about Privacy Commissioner – is this her...
    Crusher angry. Crusher smash own career. Crusher more angry. You would think that after getting outed as such a nasty, vicious piece of work in Dirty Politics, that Crusher would be scrambling to dial back the lies and manipulations. Apparently...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Cunliffe vs Key – first leaders debate
    This is your election ‘moderator’ – just one more reason an incoming Government need to sack everyone at TVNZ and reform it into an actual public broadcaster. The first leaders debate happens this Thursday, 7pm on TV One. I have...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – An Old and Honourable Profession
      When Dirty Politics started to reference an ex-prostitute I began to get antsy. My first response was “come on Nicky, we decriminalised in 2003. Its sex worker.” My second response was “Ah oh. Who was it and did they...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Bought and paid for: the dirty politics of climate denial
    Has climate denial in New Zealand been bought and paid for by corporate interests? We already know that the ACT Party’s routine denial is closely linked to the financial support the party receives from wealthy free market fundamentalist Alan Gibbs,...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • If the msm read The Daily Blog, THIS wouldn’t be a surprise – explainin...
    Yawn. How embarrassing for Hamish Rutherford and Andrea Vance, their breathless article today suggests that the idea of Labour and NZ First cutting a  deal over the buy back of assets  is some how new news. Silly mainstream media  journalists. If...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • How much tax does John Key pay compared to a minimum wage worker??
    Yesterday I did some calculations to find out what tax John Key pays compared to a worker on the minimum wage. And I put out this media release for the Mana Movement: MANA Movement Economic Justice spokesperson John Minto is...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Hip hop death threats – the selective outrage of our media
    PM death threat in hip hop songAn Auckland hip-hop crew slammed for releasing a song with lyrics that apparently include a threat to kill Prime Minister John Key are urging young people to enrol to vote. Kill The PM, by...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Watch Slater turn into Key right before your eyes
    Watch Slater turn into Key right before your eyes...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • I don’t always agree with Patrick Gower – but he didn’t deserve this!
    I don’t always agree with Patrick Gower – but he didn’t deserve this weird spear tackle from behind by his own company. I was listening to this interview at the time, and the awkwardness of it must be the worst...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Is it weird Radio NZ ban me yet still have….
    Is it weird Radio NZ ban me for life because I criticised the Prime Minister yet still have Matthew Hooton, David Farrar and Jordan Williams, 3 of the main protagonists revealed in Dirty Politics as part of their ongoing political...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Christchurch GCSB meeting – why mass surveillance matters in 2014
    This is the video for last weeks GCSB meeting in Christchurch. Don’t forget Nicky Hager’s public meeting Wednesday night in Auckland, TDB will live stream the event in the interests of our democracy. Broadcast starts 7.30pm here on TDB....
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Assange, Greenwald to appear at Town Hall meeting? + KDC is not the hacker ...
    Wikileaks founder and the engineer of revealing some of the largest abuses of power in the modern era, Julian Assange, is rumoured to be appearing at the September 15th Town Hall meeting. Assange would join award winning investigative journalist Glen...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Why Paula Bennett will be the next leader and Hooton throws the Prime Minis...
    I don’t think the public have any idea of the behind the scenes meltdown now occurring within National. There are plenty of decent right wingers who all have ethical standards who have looked at what their leaders have been doing and...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – That Awkward Feeling When Your Campaign Goe...
    Urgh. It’s a thankless and nearly impossible task politically firefighting some days. Somebody (who isn’t you, but who’s in your care, or whom you’ve got a close professional relationship with) does or says something stupid; somebody from the Media’s there...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Joe Trinder – Dirty politics goes viral
    Join the latest social networking craze this election that every Dog Cat and Jabba is putting on their facebook pages.     Joe Trinder – Ngāti Awa Born and born in Ōtepoti Ōtākou, Ex RNZN he is an Information Technology...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Blogwatch: An open letter to David Farrar: Please, be that guy
    Dear David, In light of  Nicky Hager’s book Dirty Politics, you wrote a blog entitled ‘Some changes on Kiwiblog’ and you suggested it was time to tighten up ship on your website, saying “I want to improve trust in myself,...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • New Zealand’s biggest problems are Economic Issues
    New Zealand’s biggest problems are Economic Issues (41%) while the World’s most important problems are War & Terrorism (35%) just three weeks before NZ Election...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • NZ 2014 Leaders Index – week ending 29 August
    Below is iSentia’s first weekly Leaders’ Index, showing the relative amount of coverage of nine Party Leaders in the lead up to the National Election across news media and social media. We will produce these reports for the next three...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Judgment in Paki v Attorney General
    Tamaiti Cairns said that today’s Supreme Court decision is complicated, but, in essence opens the door for Maori people to go forward with their essential claims to water. Further work is required and Pouakani Trust will continue to pursue its...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Supreme Court Decision on Maori Water Rights
    “ … the Supreme Court refused to give Pouakani people what they asked for, but may have given them something much, much better instead. The Appellants had argued that the Crown’s ownership of the River was as a fiduciary for...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Leaders Dinner with Campbell Live, Dessert with RadioLIVE
    John Campbell is hosting Colin Craig, Winston Peters, Laila Harre, Metiria Turei, Peter Dunne, Jamie Whyte and Te Ururoa Flavell LIVE from Auckland’s Grand Harbour Restaurant on Wednesday 3 September at 7pm....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Credit unions in the political spotlight
    Dirty politics was put aside last night as senior politicians outlined their universal support for growing the cooperatively owned credit union and mutual building society sector in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Maryan Street on issues of importance to older people
    Liam Butler interviews Hon Maryan Street MP on issues of importance to older New Zealanders...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • John Hanita Paki and others v The Attorney-General
    JOHN HANITA PAKI, TORIWAI ROTARANGI, TAUHOPA TE WANO HEPI, MATIU MAMAE PITIROI AND GEORGE MONGAMONGA RAWHITI v THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL OF NEW ZEALAND FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE CROWN (“THE CROWN”) (SC 7/2010)...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Last Nights Leaders Debate Drives The #nzpol Wordcloud
    Following last nights leaders debate on TV One between John Key and David Cunliffe, the data insight organisation Qrious collected all tweets that used the hashtag #nzpol from approximately the last 24 hours to produce this wordcloud....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Campaign suggests reason behind suicide gender statistics
    An online campaign about meaning and belonging has revealed an interesting connection with the difference in suicide rates between men and women....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Act Policy Vindicated by Sensible Sentencing Data
    ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte says the Sensible Sentencing Trust's just released analysis of 3 Strikes legislation "proves ACT was right to promote the policy and that it has made New Zealand a much safer country. The figures show beyond...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • “Robin Hood tax and other clever ways to help our kids”
    It’s time to talk about tax. Not just income tax but other kinds of tax too....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Cannabis Laws Breach Treaty – ALCP
    Cannabis prohibition is neo-colonial oppression resulting in the disproportionate imprisonment of Maori, the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party says....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • 2014 Variation Broadcasting Allocation Decision Released
    The Electoral Commission has released a variation decision on the amount of time and money allocated to political parties for the broadcasting of election programmes for the 2014 General Election....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • New Zealand Shoppers- Demand Blue Tick Accredited Products
    Following ongoing concerns surrounding the issue of animal welfare in farming, particularly in the layer and broiler chicken sectors, the RNZSPCA is now asking consumers to purchase only eggs, pork, turkey and chicken that have been Accredited by the Blue...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • EDS welcomes Labour’s Environment Policy
    The Environmental Defence Society has welcomed Labour’s Environment Policy which recognises that New Zealand cannot have a healthy economy without a healthy environment....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Candidate calls for an end to institutional racism
    29 AUGUST 2014 Tāmaki Makaurau candidate, Rangi McLean has spoken up in support of Irie Te Wehi-Takerei who was wrongfully accused of shoplifting at a Warehouse store in Manukau. "Over the last month, two different supermarkets have been...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Making tertiary education more accessible to Māori
    29 August 2014 The Māori Party launched its tertiary education policy today at Te Huinga Tauira o Te Mana Ākonga, the national hui for the Māori Teritary Students Association in Palmerston North. Te Tai Hauāuru candidate Chris McKenzie says the...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • NZ Sign Language programmes receives $11 million boost
    Deaf Aotearoa are thrilled with Education minister Hekia Parata’s announcement this week that $11 million in funding will go towards a range of New Zealand Sign Language initiatives, including First Signs – a programme that involves sign language...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Abortion violates the Human Rights of Fathers
    Fathers1Right to Life is concerned at the glaring imbalance that exists in law, in regard to the rights of men to defend the lives of the children they have fathered. Fatherhood commences at conception. Children in the womb, just like...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Hundreds to join march against male violence in Auckland CBD
    Hundreds of supporters are expected to join the 'Take Back the Night' march through central Auckland streets tomorrow night in solidarity with making the streets safe for women and the rainbow community to walk without fear of male violence....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Classic example of need for Conservative policy
    The Conservative Party Justice Spokesman, Garth McVicar believes the sentencing of killer Aaron McDonald is a classic example of why an overhaul of the parole and sentencing system is required.”...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Greens & Labour Politicising Bullying in Schools
    Family First NZ says that both the Greens and Labour are wanting to politicise and sexualise school children under the guise of bullying programmes rather than deal with the school bullying issue as it should be dealt with....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Wellington National Is Not Our Future Rally 30/8/14
    Thousands of people will march and rally at National is not our Future events on Saturday. Auckland is the main rally centre with supportive actions in Wellington, Dunedin, Christchurch and Hamilton. In Wellington, marchers will assemble at Te Papa...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • EPA grants marine consent for OMV exploration well
    The Environmental Protection Authority has granted a marine consent to OMV New Zealand Ltd for its Whio-1 exploration well in the Taranaki Basin....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • First anniversary of the horrific chemical attacks on Syria
    Members of the Syrian Community and friends are commemorating the first anniversary of the horrific chemical attacks on Syria, in Aotea Square on Saturday 30 August 2014, between 11-3 pm. The Assad regimes chemical attacks on al Ghouta were responsible...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Anniversary of the NZ Occupation of German Samoa
    Today, 29th August 2014, marks the 100 years centenary of the occupation of Samoa by New Zealand forces at the request of the British empire, ending the German rule of Samoa. It is also the starting point for the special...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Submissions sought on mosquito repellent
    The Environmental Protection Authority is calling for submissions on a portable mosquito repellent for use outdoors. The repellent consists of a strip impregnated with metofluthrin, a substance from the pyrethroid family....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Spot the difference – the leaders debate
    I watched the Leaders' debate last night and was struck by the fact that John Key accepted all of David Cunliffe's basic assumptions. For example, he did not say that the government should not tell farmers who they could sell...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Colin Craig’s tax figures do not add up and are dishonest
    “Colin Craig’s tax plan is to have two rates of income tax: 0% up to $20,000 and 25% above that. This will leave a $6.4 billion hole in the budget even before the new spending proposed by the Conservatives. The...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Dirty Politics Impacts National Party Support
    Media Release – For Immediate Release Dirty Politics Impacts National Party Support Support for National has dropped by 4.3% to 50.8%, the latest stuff.co.nz / Ipsos political poll shows....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Labour’s environment policy welcomed
    The independent conservation organisation Forest & Bird says that overall the Labour Party’s newly released environment policy would go a long way towards protecting New Zealand’s natural heritage....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • National: Not our Future Marches across New Zealand
    Three weeks before the election, action is being taken across the country voicing a rejection of the National Government's track record and direction. Rallies are being held in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin to oppose National's...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Tune in to tonight’s debate from 7pm
    The countdown is on! You can watch the first leader’s debate for 2014 tonight, 7pm, on TV One ....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Gamblefree Day 1 September
    It's Gamblefree Day this Monday 1 September, the national awareness day for problem gambling in New Zealand. While traditionally celebrated on the first day of September, many events and activities are held both before and after this day to raise...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Success through captioning should be a given as a Right
    Success through captioning should be a given as a Right per the Convention on the Rights of People with Disabilities...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Alcohol Marketing Committee Questions Government’s Motives
    An Independent Expert Committee on Alcohol Advertising and Sponsorship (IECAAS) has been formed out of concern amongst alcohol and public health researchers about the government’s Ministerial Forum on Alcohol Advertising and Sponsorship (MFAAS)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • How Much Higher Can Auckland Prices Go?
    National's plan to liberalise the use of Kiwisaver funds and its proposal to raise ts cheap "Welcome Home" loan thresholds to help buyers purchase a new home has been welcomed by home building companies but attacked as a "welfare scheme...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • OPC submission period extended
    We have extended the submission period for the modified reassessment of a bee control affecting five organophosphate and carbamate insecticides (APP202142)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Vinay Deobhakta struck off roll of barristers and solicitors
    The New Zealand Lawyers and Conveyancers Disciplinary Tribunal has ordered former Tauranga lawyer Vinay Deobhakta to be struck off the roll of barristers and solicitors....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Major parties to front up for Climate Voter election debate
    New Zealand’s main political parties will take part in ‘The Great Climate Voter Debate’ on September 3....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Family violence… too big to be ignored
    As Annah Stretton gears up for her New Zealand Fashion Week show on Thursday she is utilizing her spotlight to help change the face of family violence in this country saying “the problem is far too big to ignore”....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Candidate’s SOS to northern Maori voters: Save our seats!
    (Extract from address by Rev Te Hira Paenga to Kura Hourua Maori Political Leaders hui, in Whangarei this evening)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Mary O’Neill to Stand for the Alliance in Napier
    The Alliance Party has confirmed Mary O’Neill as the Alliance candidate in the Napier Electorate for the 2014 election....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • TONIGHT [28/8/14]: The Great Political Comedy Debate
    It's a night for debating. You could stay home frowning at tonight's Leaders debate, or laugh it up with us at BATS!...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Cunliffe against personal responsibility over billboards
    The accusation by David Cunliffe that the Conservative Party is subscribing to a surveillance society by protecting its billboards via the use of motion sensor cameras reveals an anti-personal responsibility position by the about-to-be-retired Leader...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Groundbreaking health and climate conference
    The World Health Organization (WHO) is holding its first conference on climate change and health at its headquarters in Geneva this week, with New Zealand health experts in attendance....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Te Tai Tokerau Party
    Last night at the Leadership Academy of Company A debate Clinton Dearlove announced the creation of a new political party supported by Whanau and Hapu....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Significant fallout from Dirty Politics allegations
    Dirty politics ... costing National up to 3.8% of its pre-publication support Large numbers of New Zealanders are aware of and talking about the issues raised as a result of the publication of Nicky Hager’s book, Dirty Politics, according to...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Colin Craig is “deluded and dangerous” – Act
    “Colin Craig is proposing a radical transformation of our constitution. The Conservatives are proposing to overthrow of one hundred and fifty odd years of parliamentary democracy and replace it with binding referenda” said ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
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