Comments on: Arming the police

By: Joe H

Joe H — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 03:52:45 +0000

Thomas I think you should seriously think about changing your associates if they carry weapons and knifes. The law abiding citizen is unlikely to ever to met this crazed criminal you are so desperate to protect us from. Truth though many of us are likely to fall victims to members of our own families or neighbours. In these horrid incidents present police procedures work well. It is unfortunate that there will and always has been mad killers out there and the best preparations and plans will not stop them. It is the life that this killer will kill not just innocent victim but that that victim may be Police person to. It is why soldiers serve and police protect, it is what makes hero’s and young men and women love. It is life’s passion. In truth Thomas you may be policeman but also coward.

By: Joe H

Joe H — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 03:30:58 +0000

Is ONE innocent person going to be enough for you comedy. Apparently not?

By: Joe H

Joe H — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 03:25:27 +0000

‘law abiding citizens generally have no worries.’ When the guns are being fired no ones generally safe I ‘m sure Halatau felt safe when brought to a halt by police action, I’m sure those in the cars around him felt safe too when shots where being fired, I’m sure all NZ generally had ,has no worries that innocents are being shot and killed. Righteous Law and Government will always be underarmed against those that oppose it, it is how and why the law is respected. If the police want respect then it needs to stop its own bully boy wants and work with what it has. I myself have stopped my association with many a policeman or woman in a social setting as they tend to act as the spoiled brat, and bully. If they can be that at the local running club or swimming pool when not on duty who needs to know them in any other official setting. Of course my views tend to be a bit more liberal than theres, just another thing that seems to make them rant.

By: Joe H

Joe H — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 03:02:50 +0000

Doo even when the guns arrived they let him bleed, let the peasants die us coppers gotta look after or safety 1st fuck the public Die dam you die.

By: Joe H

Joe H — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 02:57:54 +0000

So true, the boy racers will be solved when NZ legislates to have under25′s drive lesser powered cars. Oops those cops in fast cars are under 25 think about it they drive like manic boy racers too but with flashing lights.

By: Joe H

Joe H — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 02:24:11 +0000

Reveal yourself Thomas are you one of those who wish to run around NZ shooting people as judge and jury, just to save tax payer $. I think you maybe an under achieving Policeman.

By: Joe H

Joe H — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 02:19:26 +0000

I can only laugh at the idea that our police force is “very high quality intelligence so they are better prepared for situations” my experience is they are new youthful or junior on the fount line or older with high stress levels high blood pressure and diabetic, who’s feeling safe now. Supposedly they all are learned in the art of negotiation How is it they get so wrong so many times then.

By: Joe H

Joe H — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 02:08:56 +0000

The one holding the gun is a policeman dressed in Ninja gear acting like Rambo, Lets hope the smell of my shit scares him I was only walking to da shop no I don’t have ID on me and this little girl is my Grand daughter and I was only stopping her from running out onto the road, when ya shot me cunt.

By: Joe H

Joe H — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 01:42:39 +0000

Ya gotta love the Red Necks, I agree shoot all the niggers, wogs, dole bladgers dpb’s and homeless beggars, just cannot have those bastions of the righteous white Devonport and Takapuna as being the only place you can live free. I can only hope you break a leg or your neck skiing this winter, best yet a armed street cop gets to mistakenly shot you on the way to the ski field, I feel sure you will thank him or her for that privilege after all the the police were only doing there job, you just happened to be collateral damage. I for one do not want to be the next innocent victim of these dumb cop’s who can shot, kill and never have to face the law they are charged to uphold protect and serve. may you rest in peace Halatau Naitoko. I doubt It.

By: Thomas

Thomas — Mon, 19 Jul 2010 00:36:56 +0000

It seems like Judith Collins & Howard Broad have been listening to me, common sense has prevailed.

By: simon

simon — Sun, 18 Jul 2010 21:56:13 +0000

The thing that bugs me the most about Mr O’Connor is that we know we will continue to get more thinking like this…

“Without an effective less-than-lethal option such as the Taser available on the frontline, officers are forced to decide in a split second whether to use a firearm” – http://www.nzherald.co.nz/stun-guns/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501075&objectid=10468455

and then a few months later…

“”The most important thing is that those commentators who say we have the Taser now we don’t need anything else – it just makes a lie of that.”

The Taser had to “lodge” two probes into an offender’s skin and there had to be “pretty ideal circumstances” for them to work, O’Connor said.”" – http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3930781/Police-shoot-man-in-Auckland

This guy is clearly just making things up on the spot.

By: RobertM

RobertM — Sat, 17 Jul 2010 02:36:24 +0000

Well why not.I’m waiting for that Herald cover. It gives the NSW women cops a look that is either sinister or somewhat sexy. Certainly more body armour is not the answer. The Ron Mark vests have ruined the appearance of the men in the policeforce and on women their an attrocity. Whether the police should be everybodies friend, or the friend of the male working class as a matter of policy is somewhat debatable.Whether they really represent middle class interest is somewhat questionable-most emphasis seems to be on policing and suppressing the oddbods not the crims. But maybe with P and more inequality the crims are more serious, harder and looser today. Distance for the police might be useful and a somewhat less visible policeforce that was unobtrustive but more effective might be useful. Being close to the community may make it impossible to do the job properly. Social cohesion should not necessarily be the highest priority if means surrendering to the stupid, the fundamentalists and criminal classes.
Obviously the police need political cooperation- I can think of half a dozen backpacker bars and polynesian bars of the Alan Duff like consistituency in the Auckland CBD that should have their liquor license withdrawn for obvious longstanding problems of dangerous meanacing street spillover. If John Banks is the police’s friend he is extraoridnarily effective while Andrew Williams administration has largely sanatised Devonport closing the navy beer barns and generally upmarketed Takapuna. In many ways I dislike it and to some it it unfair particularly the sailors but Williams seem to do the job.
At a certain point I think the police have to show lethal force. The taser is a shortrange weapon of intermediate force. The idea of lock boxes in the boot alluded to by police minister Judith Collins and John Campbell dosen’t really seem the answer. It stops an immediate counter to a threat yet the psychogical propensity of the officer to use the firearm is unlikely to decrease in the 20 blurred seconds he wips the boot open and uses the ever ready key.
Where the real problem occurs its likely to be a working class firearms or drug issue. I wrote much of the commentary in the nations leading newspapers on rail privatisation and I don’t apologise for depriving Yul Molenear of the job- part of my aim was to remove the likes of him from the workforce because to have a modern rail useful to the public, tourists and business you ahve to get rid of the derilicts that were ruining the scene.

By: William Joyce

William Joyce — Sat, 17 Jul 2010 01:15:28 +0000

The scene commander stated on TV3 and Prime that it would not have made a difference if the officers were armed.
Surprisingly, Broad and Collins, within hours, said that this was an example of why they need to make firearms “more accessible” to police and that this had been in the pipeline for some time.

By: Thomas

Thomas — Sat, 17 Jul 2010 00:32:27 +0000

loota,
Well that’s a new angle to your line of debate eh, sounds like a lost argument to me & I’m not really buying it, but nothing will detract from the logic of arming the police….nothing much more they could have done in the way the police approached that house apart from phoning the occupants to say they were on their way….with guns in the car just in case.

By: QoT

QoT — Fri, 16 Jul 2010 13:10:40 +0000

Why am I reminded of Bill Hicks’ excellent “UK crime: Last night, two Hooligans knocked over a dustbin in Shaftesbury” routine?