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	<description>The New Zealand labour movement used to have its own newspaper. A group of us thought that now might be a good time for it to be digitally reborn: The Standard v2.0 - now in a new format The Standard v3.0</description>
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		<title>By: GFraser</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/as-newspapers-die-what-comes-next/comment-page-1/#comment-174646</link>
		<dc:creator>GFraser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Informative stuff, Lukas.
Unfortunately that research only covers the actual election period.
Thanks anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Informative stuff, Lukas.<br />
Unfortunately that research only covers the actual election period.<br />
Thanks anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: fizzleplug</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/as-newspapers-die-what-comes-next/comment-page-1/#comment-174515</link>
		<dc:creator>fizzleplug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  The reason no-one watches Sunrise is because Oliver Driver is not cool. At all. Despite what his mum tells him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  The reason no-one watches Sunrise is because Oliver Driver is not cool. At all. Despite what his mum tells him.</p>
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		<title>By: Olwyn</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/as-newspapers-die-what-comes-next/comment-page-1/#comment-174484</link>
		<dc:creator>Olwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and the cryptic crossowrd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and the cryptic crossowrd</p>
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		<title>By: mickysavage</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/as-newspapers-die-what-comes-next/comment-page-1/#comment-174462</link>
		<dc:creator>mickysavage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  Yes
2.  Is it?
3.  Leadership coverage of Key was way way more positive than the coverage of Helen.  And there was no justification for this.  None whatsoever.

Call me biased if you want.

Now can you point me to media in detail analysis of the ETS scheme changes.  You are not allowed to refer to Brian Fallow or Rod Oram.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  Yes<br />
2.  Is it?<br />
3.  Leadership coverage of Key was way way more positive than the coverage of Helen.  And there was no justification for this.  None whatsoever.</p>
<p>Call me biased if you want.</p>
<p>Now can you point me to media in detail analysis of the ETS scheme changes.  You are not allowed to refer to Brian Fallow or Rod Oram.</p>
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		<title>By: lukas</title>
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		<dc:creator>lukas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. You think he is cool? Are you being serious?
2. thats debatable.  
3. Are you being serious? Have you read the study?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. You think he is cool? Are you being serious?<br />
2. thats debatable.<br />
3. Are you being serious? Have you read the study?</p>
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		<title>By: mickysavage</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/as-newspapers-die-what-comes-next/comment-page-1/#comment-174458</link>
		<dc:creator>mickysavage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response:

1.  No.  Driver is cool but no one watches him.
2.  Yes but it it all green dressing and there is no comment on how stupid this Government&#039;s policies are.  
3.  Are you being serious?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response:</p>
<p>1.  No.  Driver is cool but no one watches him.<br />
2.  Yes but it it all green dressing and there is no comment on how stupid this Government&#8217;s policies are.<br />
3.  Are you being serious?</p>
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		<title>By: lukas</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/as-newspapers-die-what-comes-next/comment-page-1/#comment-174455</link>
		<dc:creator>lukas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watched Sunrise with Oliver Driver recently?

Seen the green pages of the NZ Herald?

have a look at the link above Micky, you will see the whole world is not really against you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watched Sunrise with Oliver Driver recently?</p>
<p>Seen the green pages of the NZ Herald?</p>
<p>have a look at the link above Micky, you will see the whole world is not really against you.</p>
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		<title>By: mickysavage</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/as-newspapers-die-what-comes-next/comment-page-1/#comment-174454</link>
		<dc:creator>mickysavage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So name the media outlets that have a left wing bias and provide examples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So name the media outlets that have a left wing bias and provide examples.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/as-newspapers-die-what-comes-next/comment-page-1/#comment-174447</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Narrow-cast media outlets, focused on one type of information or news but consciously and actively part of a community of other outlets with their own specialties  does it sound like the way of the future to you?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Lor no, it sounds like I&#039;d used Windows 7&#039;s spiffy new &quot;read aloud&quot; feature on &quot;The Standard&quot; :-D Or worse, like I&#039;d somehow accidentally tuned to Radio Live while Micael Lhaws was on and then my arms fell off (mind you, I&#039;d still try to change the stantion with my toes, or indeed any other handy appendage).

In short, a very narrow cast indeed, banging on and on about the same topics. While that can be great for those who are obsessed with the topic if the medium is good (e.g. my first example) and hell on earth if it&#039;s bad, these are things I want to do for only a small part of my day. Thus the advertisers get very little value and the medium gets very little funding and it becomes either a labour of love or topples at the edge of the financial abyss (again, refer my examples above respectively).

In contrast I can have ABC Radio National or RNZ&#039;s National Radio on all day, because I&#039;ll be taken from politics to recipes to outer space without having to think about what I want.

To torture a metaphor - narrowcasting is like being fed your favourite food and nothing else. Too much and you not only start to feel sick but you lose your appetite.

Many narrowcasters is like a restaurant - often you&#039;re not sure what you&#039;d like, so you choose one thing from the menu and are disappointed.

But a good broadcaster is like a degustation menu. Always full of surprises, challenging you to try things you wouldn&#039;t pick off a menu, and leaving you wanting more.

Call me a Reithian, but I want media that&#039;ll inform and educate, but also surprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Narrow-cast media outlets, focused on one type of information or news but consciously and actively part of a community of other outlets with their own specialties  does it sound like the way of the future to you?</p></blockquote>
<p>Lor no, it sounds like I&#8217;d used Windows 7&#8242;s spiffy new &#8220;read aloud&#8221; feature on &#8220;The Standard&#8221; <img src='http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' />  Or worse, like I&#8217;d somehow accidentally tuned to Radio Live while Micael Lhaws was on and then my arms fell off (mind you, I&#8217;d still try to change the stantion with my toes, or indeed any other handy appendage).</p>
<p>In short, a very narrow cast indeed, banging on and on about the same topics. While that can be great for those who are obsessed with the topic if the medium is good (e.g. my first example) and hell on earth if it&#8217;s bad, these are things I want to do for only a small part of my day. Thus the advertisers get very little value and the medium gets very little funding and it becomes either a labour of love or topples at the edge of the financial abyss (again, refer my examples above respectively).</p>
<p>In contrast I can have ABC Radio National or RNZ&#8217;s National Radio on all day, because I&#8217;ll be taken from politics to recipes to outer space without having to think about what I want.</p>
<p>To torture a metaphor &#8211; narrowcasting is like being fed your favourite food and nothing else. Too much and you not only start to feel sick but you lose your appetite.</p>
<p>Many narrowcasters is like a restaurant &#8211; often you&#8217;re not sure what you&#8217;d like, so you choose one thing from the menu and are disappointed.</p>
<p>But a good broadcaster is like a degustation menu. Always full of surprises, challenging you to try things you wouldn&#8217;t pick off a menu, and leaving you wanting more.</p>
<p>Call me a Reithian, but I want media that&#8217;ll inform and educate, but also surprise.</p>
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		<title>By: lukas</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/as-newspapers-die-what-comes-next/comment-page-1/#comment-174445</link>
		<dc:creator>lukas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have.  For every story you can point to showing bias in the past few years, I will be able to point you to one that the right could claim is biased.

Some light reading for you GFraser, since you are not reading the newspapers you might have the time :)

http://img2.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/0811/New_Zealands_Media_Coverage_of_the_2008_Election_Study__Preliminary_Results.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have.  For every story you can point to showing bias in the past few years, I will be able to point you to one that the right could claim is biased.</p>
<p>Some light reading for you GFraser, since you are not reading the newspapers you might have the time <img src='http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://img2.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/0811/New_Zealands_Media_Coverage_of_the_2008_Election_Study__Preliminary_Results.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://img2.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/0811/New_Zealands_Media_Coverage_of_the_2008_Election_Study__Preliminary_Results.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: GFraser</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/as-newspapers-die-what-comes-next/comment-page-1/#comment-174443</link>
		<dc:creator>GFraser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lukas, You obviously haven&#039;t read the Herald lately, have you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lukas, You obviously haven&#8217;t read the Herald lately, have you?</p>
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		<title>By: lukas</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/as-newspapers-die-what-comes-next/comment-page-1/#comment-174441</link>
		<dc:creator>lukas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh please.  Going on about the &quot;media bias&quot; is pathetic.  It swings both ways, stop playing the victim card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh please.  Going on about the &#8220;media bias&#8221; is pathetic.  It swings both ways, stop playing the victim card.</p>
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		<title>By: mickysavage</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/as-newspapers-die-what-comes-next/comment-page-1/#comment-174438</link>
		<dc:creator>mickysavage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefer blogs.  It is vital that Governments put all of their information on the Internet so you can then sit back and read the informed intelligent analysis of the information by people with particular interests and then read the debates.  This is far better than what we had before.

Like Lindsay I gave up my Herald subscription some time ago.  If I want one eyed views and bias I can go to www.national.org.nz for this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer blogs.  It is vital that Governments put all of their information on the Internet so you can then sit back and read the informed intelligent analysis of the information by people with particular interests and then read the debates.  This is far better than what we had before.</p>
<p>Like Lindsay I gave up my Herald subscription some time ago.  If I want one eyed views and bias I can go to <a href="http://www.national.org.nz" rel="nofollow">http://www.national.org.nz</a> for this.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsey J Rea</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/as-newspapers-die-what-comes-next/comment-page-1/#comment-174417</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsey J Rea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I  cancelled my subscription to the Herald during its so called &quot;Democracy Under Attack&quot; campaign and I have not advertised with them for a couple of years since they stuffed up a very simple advertisement and did not even have the manners to let me know. I have moved my advertising to Trade Me. I would pay for a good news service online.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  cancelled my subscription to the Herald during its so called &#8220;Democracy Under Attack&#8221; campaign and I have not advertised with them for a couple of years since they stuffed up a very simple advertisement and did not even have the manners to let me know. I have moved my advertising to Trade Me. I would pay for a good news service online.</p>
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		<title>By: As newspapers die, what comes next? at The Standard &#124; Narrow Cast</title>
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		<dc:creator>As newspapers die, what comes next? at The Standard &#124; Narrow Cast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] posted here:  As newspapers die, what comes next? at The Standard    Tags: does-it-sound, focused-on-one, future, like-the-way, nformation-or-news, one-type, [...]</description>
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