Written By: - Date published: 9:04 am, May 23rd, 2008 - 59 comments
Categories: budget 2008, john key -
Tags: Budget, john key, slippery
John Campbell interviews John Key on the budget, refusing to let him get away with merely repeating his focus-grouped lines.
At about the 3 minute mark Campbell challenges Key’s evasiveness directly: “I think you are as slippery as a snake in wet grass”.
It’s not just the media that are starting to get frustrated with Key and National’s refusal to come clean on the details. It happened with a family who were interviewed on Close Up too, I’ll post that video shortly.
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Yes Redlogix, on 3, I’ve always been very keen to see how the Greens mean to articulate the ‘anarchist’ branch of their ideology/s. They got 4 million for the Citizen’s Forum-thing on the EFB, and 10 million more for the ‘Community Organisation Grants Scheme’ (not really anarchist i spose, but very much community-based), but I *really* wish Nandor had been able to do more on this, or at the very least provoke some sort of DEBATE based on some sort of anarchist-grounded idea.
from http://www.greens.org.nz/searchdocs/speech11849.html, with the other stuff they secured in the budget
When JK said “no.1 priority” with regard to tax cuts – did this ring a few bells in similarity to Jim Bolger about “unemployment” in 1990?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gm-iB38Py3U
“When JK said “no.1 priority’ with regard to tax cuts – did this ring a few bells in similarity to Jim Bolger about “unemployment’ in 1990?”
Now we just need Key to start making promises with “no ifs, no buts, not maybes.”
Does anybody here know were money comes from, how it’s made?
This is a sincere invitation on the subject and not something smarty pants, I’m just interested if anybody has ever wondered about this and done some research?
Ev: See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_System for a case study of the US Federal Reserve. Most countries with elastic currencies have some similar central bank mechanism.
L
Lew:
I agree, that Aunty Helen is not liked by certain members of society, those members being people who believe in choice and personal responsibility, people who believe the Government isn’t there to bail you out if you make bad choices, people who believe it doesnt matter what your gender/religion or race is, but everybody is EQUAL.
Yep us common decent folk who pay our bills on time, dont like Aunty Helen.
Brett: Fire your speech writers, they’re too obvious.
L
Brett, I thought you were claiming to be a “lifelong Labour voter”?
So you have voted for Aunty Helen four elections in a row. A strange way to show her how you feel.
Brett Dale – is it easier to think you’re right when you think in such childish black and white terms?
Is everything more clear cut when you can stereotype and imagine your opponents away, into a subsection of society that smokes, drinks, gambles and eats bad food?
Is it easier to be obnoxious when you’re positive that you’re better than everyone else?
I’m on the verge of retracting my earlier retraction with a rant like that. Here’s a question for you:
In 1999, do you think that 38.74% of the population were not “common decent folk who pay [their] bills on time”, people who don’t “believe in choice and personal responsibility”, people who don’t “believe the Government isn’t there to bail you out if you make bad choices”, people who believe it does “matter what your gender/religion or race is” and people who don’t think that “everybody is EQUAL”.
Do you think the same applied to 41.26% of New Zealand’s population in 2002?
Do you think the same applied to 41.1% of the population on 2005?
You, champ, have a f%#&ing low opinion of a whole lot of your fellow New Zealanders. Tell you what – I reciprocate.
I use to vote Labour, but never voted for Aunty Helen four times.
With all she has done in the last few years, I will NEVER vote for her party again.
And on that little rant of my own, good weekend all!
On a complete tangent…
WTF is going on with John Key’s hair? Is he dying it? Is it plugs? Glued on?
It’s the receding hairline, the odd denseness, the brown-on-the-top grey-on-the-bottom… what are his imagemeisters thinking?
[lprent: Please don't go there. I hate the discussions that tend to hang off the physical attributes. They tend to be completely meaningless. I'll tolerate remarks but not full blown discussions. They're soooooooo boring.]
Yeah – business tax cuts, family tax cuts, personal tax cuts, more money for health, education etc.
I can see why you wouldn’t vote for her Brett. Not enough for the environment. You’ll be doing two ticks Green come the big day, eh?
I think Brett is concerned that the benefit cuts haven’t been reversed. Me too, Brett. Me too.
Just to totally lower the tone of the conversation, between this and the CloseUp vid linked I’m rather tempted to create a John Key drinking game – 1 shot for “What I CAN tell you is”, 1 shot “I BELIEVE National will” and finish the vessel for that single solitary “We WILL do xyz”.
In the interests of bipartisan pissing-up, there will of course be other party-leader drinking games: finish the vessel when Helen Clark horrifically pwns her own Party President, a tiny sip for Peters questioning John Campbell’s journalistic integrity, some kind of sliding scale for the wackiness of Dunne’s bowties …
Nice idea Qot but I doubt even I would make it past the first two interviews without passing out if the rules were that loose. There’s about 10 shots in the five minute Campbell interview alone!
IB – I know I personally would prefer to spend most of this election campaign happily comatose!
Brett: “I use to vote Labour, but never voted for Aunty Helen four times.”
Therefore you did not vote Labour at the last election, and therefore you have not switched your vote since. Thanks for finally clearing that up, after you tried several times on this blog to give a different impression. It took a while, but we got there in the end.
Does anybody here know were money comes from, how it’s made?
This is a sincere invitation on the subject and not something smarty pants, I’m just interested if anybody has ever wondered about this and done some research?
Hi Eve
You can find lots of pages on this, e.g.:
http://economics.about.com/cs/studentresources/f/money.htm
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/basics/03/061303.asp
But I think that you might particularly enjoy the description in this sequence of five videos (“Money as Debt”):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vVkFb26u9g8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sanOXoWl0kc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kTv1fo6sKmo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3qicabStQkc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7kpSbkaD4tM
gobsmacked:
The other blogs I write to got it straight away. I guess you guys on the left are a little slow.
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[lprent: guess you're going to have to explain, embellish and give explanation. Otherwise we'll have to consider that you don't know.]
r0b,
I was given the Money as debt DVD by the guy who made the film because I got in touch with him after seeing the movie on line. He is a really nice guy.
I just wanted to know how many people actually thought about how money is made.
Not a lot it seems.
Have you seen the “Money Masters”
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936
It is a really good documentary about the history of the money cartel.
I also really like Edward D. Griffin when I met him in Sidney. He wrote an extensive analysis about the the true nature of the Federal reserve. The creature from Jekyll island.
So if money is made out of thin air, as the Money as Debt clearly shows, then why are we paying through the nose for it?
We are made to believe that banks ought to be paid interest because they take a risk in lending us “their money”, but they don’t, they just create a negative on their balance and a positive on the balance to whom they are lending too. And then they cash in on the interest.
9% in return for nothing, quit a good scam if you ask me.
So if banks don’t have to take risks to create money then why are we borrowing from them in the first place? Why can’t “the people” just take back the right to make their own money and do it interest free?
If, as this documentary clearly shows, private banking is a monumental scam then why don’t we break away from it and take our lives back into our own hands.
And lastly if, as this documentary clearly shows, the big international reserve system is owned by private Bankers and supported by the government as a system to enforce the repayment of loans made out of nothing why do we still obey it like mice in a tread mill?
So if we can determine that the Federal Reserve system has nothing to do with the Federal government and is just a name to keep the people from really understanding how money comes into being, than why are we even remotely considering John Key as a contender, knowing he has been working as an advisor to the very top people in this privately owned cartel.
For god sakes he even talks about borrowing more money. If you understand the Money as Debt system you know that that is the road to debt hell. if he had come home to do some good here he would have said,”Right people, I know how the system works and it’s not good, we are going of the international money grid.
The fact that he doesn’t tells me all I need to know.
Why does nobody question this system?
By the way have you seen the documentary the corporation:
Very scary
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3969792790081230711 part 1
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7365345393244917682 part 2
Re comment byRedLogix
May 23, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Good point
On No 4
I hope you will be asking this of the Prime Minister and Labour with their election pledges. They are the best party to govern, but could certainly bring some more community to decision making.
although
‘Labour’ “have failed to articulate an authentic leadership that ordinary people can connect with”
I have a problem with. I’m ordinary and I connect very strongly to the PM’s leadership of the last 8+ years. The best things she has done is recognise the hole that business left in wages and with Michael Cullen is filling that need, to Business’ shame. The social changes for gays and the safety of prostitutes, who fill the demand from male society, were great. The microchipping was an own goal.
But
On No 2
If your idea of that, with the ‘church’ influence and the ‘values’ includes forcing women and men back into roleplays of the 50s and back, you can keep that idea.
Speaking of the shame of business – I just opened a box of Sultana bran and there is 3 inches height of wasted cardboard packaging, all designed to trick me into thinking size matched price. Disgraceful, on so many levels including the environmental one.
Jum: “I’m ordinary and I connect very strongly to the PM’s leadership of the last 8+ years. ”
You and an apparently-shrinking proportion of the electorate. This is the sort of self-centred `makes sense to me so the rest of yous must just be stupid’ attitude which has fed the `arrogant’ and `out of touch’ memes.
“Disgraceful, on so many levels including the environmental one.”
But it worked, didn’t it? End of story. If you don’t want this sort of strategy to be commercially viable, don’t condone its use by purchasing those products.
L