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Banks and Dunne vote down minimum wage

Written By: - Date published: 9:49 am, September 20th, 2012 - 51 comments
Categories: class war, john banks, wages - Tags: , , ,

David Clark’s private member’s Bill to increase the minimum wage to $15 / hour was voted down at its first reading in Parliament last night.

The Nats are repeating the lie that increasing the minimum wage costs jobs – no it doesn’t.

The vote was 61 to 59, I think we can all guess how MPs voted. An increase in the barely livable minimum wage was defeated by John Banks, who is a disgrace to Parliament, and Peter Dunne, who should have known better. Shame on them both.

51 comments on “Banks and Dunne vote down minimum wage”

  1. Janice 1

    Peter Dunne couldn’t even get 20 people to his AGM so how is his party still valid, when you need 500 members to be a recognised party ? However he still goes on blithely supporting selling assets and ripping off the low paid workers.

    • Peter Dunne doesn’t have a party, he has (had?) a safe seat. This is why electorates are a problem and our next electoral system shift should be to an open list parliament.

  2. vto 2

    .
    Slavery costs more than the minimum wage.

  3. BernyD 3

    I wonder how many minimum wage employees the Government actualy has, they say it with such certainty.
    It’s a justification they are fond of.

    • Descendant Of Smith 3.1

      Probably none as government employees are still pretty well unionised.

      What they have passed over to private enterprise to take profit from heaps cause the bosses get the money not the workers.

    • deuto 3.2

      While I cannot give any figures etc, from my experience working for a range of government depts and agencies, there are pockets of employees on minimum wage – eg doing data input etc. On one occasion, when I did a review of the staffing levels, pay levels and operating processes etc of a particular area within a large dept that I will not name, I found that some of the staff were on minimum wage but had not been paid the most recent increase in the minimum wage that had came in over six months previously because the HR/payroll people did not think that any staff were on minimum wage so had done nothing to implement the increase! Some red faces when I raised the issue on behalf of the staff concerned and the situation was rectified including back pay etc immediately when I pointed out that it would not be a ‘good look’ if the situation became publicly known. The recommendations of the review included raising the pay levels of those positions several notches above the minimum wage for parity with similar positions elsewhere in the organisation.

  4. weka 4

    What is the minimum wage currently?

    • BernyD 4.1

      I usualy google that stuff …

      “The minimum wage rates are reviewed every year. As of 1 April 2012 the adult minimum wage rates (before tax) that apply for employees aged 16 or over are:
      •$13.50 an hour”

      • weka 4.1.1

        Thanks Berny. Sometimes I like to talk to a person instead of a monolithic piece of software ;-)

        • BernyD 4.1.1.1

          Fair enuf

        • lprent 4.1.1.2

          Yeah avoid spending time talking to software (apart from that nice Siri person about where to get a cuppa of course) because that way leads to madness..

          As a programmer I am accustomed to spending a significant amount of time screaming at the software of course. But I’m quite aware that I’m either screaming at my own reflection* or some idiot across the world who left the ^&*&%&(^$*%$^%$!!! bug in the library I’m &I^$^%#$^&#%$^#$&%&^%#^#$#^%$#%$#^#%$$###$$%^^(((**!!! relying on.

          Who are these people in the white suits?? Programmers are meant to be a bit insane…

          In other words for the programmers amongst you, I just solved another nasty bug….

          * One of the reasons that programmers (and most book authors in my experience) appear to never use mirrors and have a vaguely unkempt look is that they sit in front of monitors all day looking at the back of their brain. It is really really hard to have a high opinion of yourself after you’ve made the same stupid error every year for the last decade** as well as falling into every pretty damn obvious in retrospect new trap that comes along.

          ** Of course while they are usually pretty humble internally, the effect that they have on others is that they’re like all people who spend a lot of time staring at the back of their head – arrogant. Philosophers come to mind.

  5. Mathew 5

    Anthony, what gives you so much faith in the accuracy of Treasury’s advice as opposed to the Department of Labour’s?

  6. Brian 6

    Frauds, liars, hypocrites, cowards and sops – this govt. is all class.

    • Wayne 6.1

      Brian, the votes are entirely consistent with the well publicised views of each of the three parties who voted against. So they can’t be any of the things you are accusing them of in relation to this issue. They said what they believed and voted accordingly – and I suggest the people who voted for them in 2011 would also know their broad position on this issue. If you want to change it, go out and win the next election.

  7. captain hook 7

    $13.50 wouldn’t even buy you know who a tinny!
    or pay for banxies wayne bill at Bellamy’s.

  8. Steve Wrathall 8

    Don’t like minimum wages? Don’t put in minimum effort at school.

    • Draco T Bastard 8.1

      Which means absolutely nothing. It’s not about skills it’s about wages being driven down while prices go up which is what’s happening.

    • vto 8.3

      Fuck that is ignorant

        • mike 8.3.1.1

          Teachers teaching kids about their democratic right to protest on an issue that affects them directly. Oh the humanity!

          • Steve Wrathall 8.3.1.1.1

            …and the “correct” opinions to democratically hold. THIS is what spending the highest % of govt spend in the OECD get us??

            Sean Plunket: Have you talked to the kids about economic rationalisation, about the allocation of public funds to education? Have you also educated them on that or have you just gone for the emotion?

            chair of the Board Of Trustees Lyn Bates : Well at the moment we’re trying to work through the emotion…

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ5GvhzyIbo&feature=player_embedded#!

            • mike 8.3.1.1.1.1

              Thanks for the Whaleoil radio link.

              Eight year-old kids are struggling with the 1-10 times table. Are you really criticizing because they were not educated about economic rationalisation and the allocation of public funds to education? Think much Steve?

              I’m saying not that schools should organize their kids to protest as they like. But I also think that the world is not black and white, and there are exceptions to every rule. This is an issue that directly affects them – the closure of their school.

              If I’m right your general objection, and it’s not unreasonable, is that young kids will simply repeat the slogan and beliefs that their teacher tells them to. That’s why I think in this case the school should have got permission from the kids parents to do this. I have no idea whether they did or not. If they did I’m fine with it, teachers teaching about one’s democratic rights is a fine thing I say.

              If they didn’t then I also would not approve. However would they then be ‘more ignorant’ than your statement, “Don’t like minimum wages? Don’t put in minimum effort at school.”? I guess that’s a subjective call, but my vote would be that the bigger ignoramus is you.

    • mike e 8.4

      Silly boy new research out of the US shows peoples educational achievements related to parents income!
      Besides that’s just more BS from a pathetic trooler!
      Some people with good educations don’t do that well either !
      I suppose going to school hungry emotionally distort from having parental dysfunction sleeping in a cold house suffering poor health consequences is going to deliver a good education outcome.
      Back in the 1930’s the centre right parties said it would cut employment by having a minimum wage that proved a lie then as it proved you a liar!

      • Steve Wrathall 8.4.1

        “….going to school hungry emotionally distort from having parental dysfunction sleeping in a cold house suffering ….”

        Hmm? So you’re saying a large proportion of the population believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to… you name it…?

        • McFlock 8.4.1.1

          You slid from describing what is to attributing specific feelings to those who are. Slippery Tory.
                   
          Funnily enough, if more people knew why it is, they’d believe they were being stolen from, disenfranchised, alienated and abused by a few rich arseholes.
               
          Healthcare and housing are nothing. Tories like you are just lucky that half the country doesn’t believe they are entitled to your blood. 

            • McFlock 8.4.1.1.1.1

              lol.
                         
              Yeah, but all at once?

              • Steve Wrathall

                Hand over your money or else lose your blood.

                Behind all the desperate attempts at a moral justification, that’s really what you redistributionists boil down to, eh? Mugging on a mass scale. What is immoral individually, becomes moral when done on a mass scale. Or as your mate put it:

                “A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic.”-Stalin

                • Kotahi Tāne Huna

                  What “redistribution”, Wrathall? Are we talking about the 10% negative shift in wages as a percentage of GDP since 1970?

                  Notice how when we examine the real world it demonstrates how full of shit you are?

                • McFlock

                  Nah mate. You’re trying to wriggle again.         
                      
                  I was merely pointing out that the characteristic of being fucked by society is not the same as your rant about people believing they are victims and entitled to XYZ.
                     
                  Historically, if someone was being fucked by society and knew it, they’d end up looking for revenge.
                         
                  So you’re lucky that most NZers don’t know they’re being fucked by tories more thoroughly than if they were simply mugged and beaten in an alleyway.
                     
                  To be clear, I’m not saying that you should be up against a wall, or on your way to the guillotine. Just that, historically, you’re lucky you’re not. 
                          
                  Because children going seriously hungry and/or doing without decent wet weather clothes and/or ending up in hospital with preventable conditions – all to give more even money to the rich – is a pretty fucked up state of affairs.

                • vto

                  Oh Steve Wrathall, don’t tell me you fall for that bullshit about redistribution etc.

                  Has it not occurred to you that the worlds’ wealth is alreday redistributed by means of for example minimum wage settings, labour law settings, income tax settings, capital gain tax settings, income tax settings, farming subsidies settings, corporate welfare settings, Canterbury Finance and bank bailout settings, NZX assistance setings. On it goes.

                  You fool, the entire place is one big giant redistribution. What is yours is only yours because of the current redistribution settings. You are entirely subject to redistribution right now today. Adjusting those settings is therfore not changing anything one iota. You egg.

                  You need to go away and do a bit more thinking.

        • Rodel 8.4.1.2

          Are you Romney?

        • Draco T Bastard 8.4.1.3

          @ Steve Wrathall
          What Mitt Romney Doesn’t Get About Responsibility

          The point here isn’t that Romney is unfamiliar with cutting-edge work in cognitive psychology. It’s that he misses even the intuitive message of this work, the part most of us know without reading any studies: It’s really, really hard to be poor. That’s because the poorer you are, the more personal responsibility you have to take.

          I’d say that you don’t understand the nature of responsibility either.

    • Carol 8.5

      You assume that educational success correlates strongly with wage level.

      Sue Moroney quoted some statistics in the House yesterday in the General Debate.

      She said that a higher percentage of women workers are on the minimum wage than young people. As I recall about 51% of people approx 16-25 yrs (don’t remember exactly the ages) compared with 56% of women workers being on a minimum wage.

      And yet, it’s been pretty widely reported in recent years that female students, on average, do better at school than males.

      Furthermore, I have seen research in the past that shows brown people (males and females) with the same level of qualifications as white people, on average, get lower paid and lower status jobs.

      And the unemployed university graduates?

    • NickS 8.6

      Don’t like minimum wages? Don’t put in minimum effort at school.

      Now, where did I leave that 2 by 4 with the word “clue” carved into it again?…

      Oh wait, that’s right Steve, you’re so dumb you can’t handle a system with more than a one variable :roll:

      So metaphorical whacks with the clue-by-4 are sadly pointless for educating you, barring frustration relief and showing once more what a pathetic ignorant idiot you are of course.

  9. mike e 9

    Carol household income is what i’m referring to as most families have 2 incomes coming in.
    85% of University Students come from wealthy families.
    Women and girls tend to be better at study than men and boys!
    So this demographic you have pointed out hasn’t fed through the economy yet and is unlikely to as well educated women are having fewer children and the lack of employment and further career development is not available in New Zealand so more of our brightest are heading overseas.
    Equal opportunity in NZ is joke!
    However their are some bright spots ie unionised work places fair far better.
    My wife is in an unionised work place and in the top 1% of women income earners in the country and she left school at 14!

    • Carol 9.1

      mike e, I agree with your comments.

      Just to clarify, my comment @2.53pm was a reply to Steve W @2.12pm… we were commenting at roughly the same time.

  10. blue leopard 10

    Will our politicians be raising their own salaries this year?

    • Draco T Bastard 10.1

      The politicians don’t actually have a say in it – the higher salaries commission does it independently. They will, of course, be raising the wages for the politicians.

      • blue leopard 10.1.1

        …In that case it would be good to see them petitioning the higher salaries commission for no pay rise this year.

        I’m not normally inclined to begrudge a politicians salary and perks. It seems, however, with all the GFC excuses our Government is furnishing parliament with; that not accepting a pay-rise would be an appropriate response to the world financial collapse and be heartening for those on less than $15 to know that those who have attained the highest eschelons of power are prepared to share a blow, “tighten their belts”,

        not simply expect the lowest earners to do so.

  11. Chris 11

    Two of the most irrelevant people in NZ, after Clingon Key, they have to wield their power somehow to make themselves seem relevant. Not working!

  12. captain hook 12

    depends if the management of POAL slip them a kickback or not.

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  • Many regions need by-election levels of support
    Northland is not the only region struggling under the National Government, but unfortunately places like Gisborne, Whanganui and Tasman do not have by-elections on the horizon, Labour’s Economic Development spokesperson David Clark says. “A desperate National Party has thrown money… ...
    12 hours ago
  • Real changes must come from CYF review
    A well-overdue revamp of Child, Youth and Family cannot be just another cost cutting exercise, Labour’s Children’s spokesperson Jacinda Ardern says. “Labour has been pushing for a review for some time. It was part of our policy at the election. ...
    13 hours ago
  • Latest Air NZ plan carries on regional snub
    Christchurch Labour Members of Parliament have secured a meeting with Air New Zealand boss Christopher Luxon following the airline’s decision to cut its Christchurch to Tokyo summer flights.  They are also calling on the Minister of Transport Simon Bridges to… ...
    1 day ago
  • Carmel Sepuloni back in Social Development role
    Andrew Little has reinstated Carmel Sepuloni as Labour’s Social Development spokesperson following the sentencing of her mother in the New Plymouth District Court today. “It has been a tough time for Carmel, but we both agreed it was appropriate she… ...
    2 days ago
  • Government taking Kiwis for April Fools
    Many Kiwis will be wondering if the joke is on them when a raft of Government changes come into effect tomorrow, Labour Leader Andrew Little says. “First is ACC and National’s unwillingness to end its rort of Kiwi businesses which… ...
    2 days ago
  • Time to show RMA housing affordability plans
    Labour is challenging the Government to reveal its plans to make housing more affordable through amending the Resource Management Act, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “Labour remains willing to consider the proposals on housing affordability on their merits and… ...
    2 days ago
  • John Key now admits no broad support for RMA changes
    John Key has now been forced to admit that he never had the broad political support to gut the Resource Management Act, says Labour’s Environment spokesperson Megan Woods. “Cornerstone legislation such as the RMA should never be changed without genuine… ...
    3 days ago
  • National’s changes leave student bodies in chaos
    The chaos created by National’s scrapping of compulsory student association membership may force the 86-year old Union of Students Association to fold, Labour’s Tertiary Education spokesperson David Cunliffe says. “National’s 2011 Voluntary Student Membership Act has left student associations with… ...
    3 days ago
  • Tragedy must be impetus for better training
    The Police Minister needs to explain why unsworn and inadequately trained custody officers were put in a situation of caring for a medically unwell prisoner on a busy Saturday night, Labour’s Police spokesperson Kelvin Davis says. Commenting on an IPCA… ...
    6 days ago
  • Government must be more transparent on investor state clauses
    The Government must be more transparent around the draft investor state dispute settlements in the TPPA, says David Parker, Labour’s Export Growth and Trade spokesperson. “Labour is pro trade, and is proud of the FTA we negotiated with China, which… ...
    6 days ago
  • Protect university staff and student voices
    The Green Party believes ensuring student and staff representation on university councils is important. National recently passed a law reducing the size of university governance councils while increasing the proportion of the members nominated by, guess who… Steven Joyce. The… ...
    GreensBy Gareth Hughes MP
    7 days ago
  • C’mon Nick what’s the truth on the RMA
     “Nick Smith has got to fess up and tell us what is happening to his much vaunted RMA reform, Labour’s Environment spokesperson Megan Woods says.  “With just a day and a half to go before the polls open in Northland,… ...
    7 days ago
  • SSC salaries sink National’s spending spin
    Massive pay rises at the State Services Commission prove National’s claims of clamping down on spending in the public sector are simply fantasy, Labour’s State Services spokesman Kris Faafoi says. “Salaries in this one department are almost $70,000 more than… ...
    7 days ago
  • We can fix Christchurch and keep our assets
    The Christchurch City Council is seeking public feedback on its proposed 10 year plan for Council revenue and spending. This is probably one of the most significant 10 year plans ever to be written by a local council because of… ...
    GreensBy Eugenie Sage MP
    7 days ago
  • Epidemic of serious assaults in our prisons
    Labour wants stab proof vests and pepper spray for all corrections officers to keep them safe from the epidemic of serious prison assaults that are occurring around the country’s jails, says Labour’s Corrections Spokesperson Kelvin Davis.  “There have been five… ...
    7 days ago
  • Listen to the locals Hekia!
    Minister Hekia Parata needs to understand what consultation is, Port Hills MP Ruth Dyson says. “It means you have to listen to what people say in their submissions and then be able to demonstrate you have considered their views when… ...
    1 week ago
  • Thanking our caregivers
    Let’s celebrate and thank our caregivers. This week is caregivers’ week. It’s a chance to acknowledge the thousands of women, and occasional other person, who are caring for the elderly and disabled in our country. They hold people’s lives in… ...
    GreensBy Jan Logie MP
    1 week ago
  • Mana Post shop the best outcome for community
    Labour MP for Mana Kris Faafoi has welcomed the move to place the services from the Mana Post shop to a local small business. “This is the best outcome for the community we could ask for. All the vital services… ...
    1 week ago
  • Roundup: UN finds it “probably” causes cancer
    At last the UN has spoken out against the widely-used weedkiller Roundup. The UN’s International Agency for Research on Cancer has identified glyphosate, the principle ingredient in Roundup, as a probable carcinogen. They also include as probable carcinogens the insecticides… ...
    GreensBy Steffan Browning MP
    1 week ago
  • World water day: eight rivers in one day
    Our photo journey started by the Waioweka (also known as Waioeka) River which flows from Te Urewera to Opotiki, and is surrounded by beautiful forest. The water looked great! Kopeopeo Canal It contrasted greatly with the Kopeopeo Canal near Whakatane,… ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty MP
    1 week ago
  • We all benefit when education meets everyone’s needs
    As Dyslexia week comes to a close,  Dyslexia NZ have reminded us that around 10% of our citizens are dyslexic and are entitled to better support. One of their strongest arguments is that failure to provide identification and support for… ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty MP
    1 week ago
  • Big change starts small
    Today marks Race Relations Day in New Zealand. Race Relations Day coincides with the International Day for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination.  The United Nations General Assembly chose this day as it marks the day in 1960 when 69 peaceful… ...
    GreensBy Denise Roche MP
    2 weeks ago
  • Israel, Palestine and the question of statehood
    The knife-edge election in Israel complicates the Middle East situation, even more than usual. The Prime Minister-elect, Binyamin Netanyahu, is moving to form a government. Netanyahu has indicated that, during his term, a Palestinian state would not be established. That… ...
    GreensBy Kennedy Graham MP
    2 weeks ago
  • Christchurch transport goes backwards
    The Green Party has a vision of a liveable, accessible Christchurch with a sense of identity and strong connected communities. Instead, 2013 census figures released by Statistics New Zealand reveal a fractured community, and tell a story of frustrated Christchurch commuters… ...
    GreensBy Eugenie Sage MP
    2 weeks ago
  • Super Fund should divest $140 million in high risk coal
    The Green Party is calling on the New Zealand Super Fund to divest their $140 million investment in coal companies that are vulnerable to becoming financially stranded according to a damning new report from Oxford University. The Smith School of… ...
    GreensBy Russel Norman MP
    2 weeks ago
  • Learn to count with Mark Osborne: 0 + 1 = ?
    The adage about the first casualty of war being truth is one that might often be applied to the political battle for hearts and minds, and of course votes. A rather unfortunate example of this has been arriving in the… ...
    GreensBy David Clendon MP
    2 weeks ago
  • Is it still a safety net when the holes are this big?
    Over the last few weeks I’ve been wondering how safe our income support system is for people, especially those with cognitive or learning disabilities. I’ve been trying to support a young man who was severely injured in a workplace accident… ...
    GreensBy Jan Logie MP
    2 weeks ago
  • Pasifika – protecting the Pacific needed now more than ever.
    Over the weekend thousands of Aucklanders flocked to celebrate our city’s diverse Pacific communities and cultures at the annual Pasifika festival and the Greens were there to join them. The Pasifika festival has been held every year for 23… ...
    GreensBy Denise Roche MP
    2 weeks ago
  • Sounds Stakeholders Seek a Sustainable Future
    It was heartening to see a large number of people who care about the Marlborough Sounds come together at the Marlborough Marine Futures’ forum in Picton on March 8. Fellow Green MP Steffan Browning, who lives in Marlborough, and I… ...
    GreensBy Eugenie Sage MP
    3 weeks ago

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