The bankster memorandum

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In his post today quoting Shane Jones, Tim Selwyn calls John Key the gorilla in the House: the one that the next Labour caucus leader needs to “take it to“.  John Key has always been the current National government’s greatest strength in using his wily bankster ways to sell their anti-democratic, economy damaging, international pro-corporate agenda: one that is damaging for the long term prospects for the country and the majority of New Zealanders, especially those struggling on low incomes.

John Key’s strength and weakness is in the way he treats the New Zealand government as a corporate entity and manages it in a top-down way, like a CEO.  Key likes to be top dog, is highly competitive, does not easily accept criticism, and will fight tough to maintain that status.  When challenged, as he was by Dotcom during the GCSB public submissions process, he can turn defense into attack.  Or he will use the downplay ploy: shrug, deny the criticism is of any consequence, and us and aw-shucks, shrug to convey that he’s not bovered. (As he did when talking, 2 minutes into the video, about the current Labour leadership contest).

Key is not to be underestimated.  He bided his time while John Campbell continually undermined Key’s agenda to extend the powers of the GCSB.  It’s highly likely Team key were working on his lines and strategies, so that when he did front up to Campbell, Key showed just what a formidable opponent he can be.

John Key honed his strategies and made his fortune and reputation in the world of speculative banking.  It’s a macho world of competition and macho bravado.

Joris Luyendijk, posted recently in the Guardian about this bankster world and its players, based on his conversations with a former trader.  The trader describes the competitive buzz of working in the financial trading market.  the trader explains:

“It’s really hard to convey what makes a trading floor such a mesmerising place. Guys jumping up and down, shouting ‘yours’ or ‘mine’ … bam bam bam. You ask if it’s about power? Well, the financial markets are an important part of the mechanisms that enforce capitalism.

[…]

“Trading is a quintessentially male environment. You have to be on your toes all the time. Say one clumsy thing and it will stick with you for years. Sometimes that’s okay because there is often a bit of humour attached to these things. Just as often people are humiliated.

“We play pranks. We once raided the bank’s stores of Blu-Tack, a substance used for sticking papers on a wall. Then we put Blu-Tack all over a guy’s desk. How it works, you taunt someone but at the same time it’s all fun and games. It’s a way to let off steam and also a way of signalling to him: I’m in your camp.

“Where I worked people seemed obsessed with power structures and keeping on top. For instance when someone was made redundant a remaining trader would do a deal between his book and that person’s, creating a profit in his book and a loss in that of the person leaving.

[…]

“Many of the people I worked with seemed fixated with money and status. Several guys who would tell anybody about the value of their car or their house through to the size of the tips they had given during their last holiday. I mean, how boring can that be?

“Many did extreme sports for charity, for example run a marathon. We’d be expected to contribute and you could see who of your colleagues gave what – substantial amounts. It’s another competition for them.

Part of the mythology that Key trades on is his state house to debating House journey, promoted as being a walking example of meritocracy.  Such a mythology also seems rife in the bankster world, while cronyism and nepotism is actually pretty strong.  The former trader told Luyendijk,

“There seems to be this general impression that most traders are upper middle-class types. I found that the traders were mostly barrow boys from Essex, really tough working class. Tough and churlish. What I found strange was that although several were obviously working class, they would constantly disparage ‘chavs’ and people with tattoos etc.

“One of my colleagues would talk to his wife, hang up the phone and then make fun of her in front of us. That was perceived as normal. Guys often refer to females as ‘wallets’, as in wallet-chasers. Perhaps that is actually the reality for some of these guys.

Nice finishing school that John Key went to!  No wonder his government has not been friendly to women, using them in supporting roles, while their bennie bashing hits single mothers hardest.  The callous disregard of bankster for the lives they damage, is played well by Bill Nighy in this video,

The title of this post loosely refers to the spy movie the Quiller Memorandum.  Let’s hope that, if Cunliffe does became Labour caucus leader (not yet a certainty), he really does have Key’s number, and he can use it successfully. (h/t micky savage).  During the Labour leadership roadshow at Dunedin, Cunliffe is reported as saying:

Labour has underestimated John Key. I won’t. I have his number and he knows it.

Cunliffe’s reference is to numbers in gambling, not phone numbers. But for Key it is all gambling, status and profit seeking.  For the left, the way forward is by genuine 2-way, and multiply-connected communications. It’s time to end Key’s stint as casino capitalist, and work towards a government that engages democratically with the NZ public: in person, through the media, and through the communications technologies available, and through democratic processes.

The left and it’s political representatives need to find a way to successfully work together to re-build a democratic, fair, inclusive and just NZ.

[Update]  The published version of Cunliffe’s  speech at Dunedin uses the word “measure” not “number”.

Labour has consistently under-estimated John Key. I won’t. But I’ve got his measure and he knows it.

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  1. Tracey 1
    9 September 2013 at 10:55 am

    Nice work karol…

    the smiling assassin is obviously a compliment in trading circles (as well as a warning) but I am sure he was proud to have a nickname…

    as I have posted before I am surrounded by family and friends who lean to the right, and vote accordingly. It has been interesting of late to notice the increasing comments of disapproval they have of key, his demeanor and attitude. Unsolicited comments. I dont discuss politics with family and friends.

    • fender 1.1
      9 September 2013 at 11:21 am

      ” I don’t discuss politics with family and friends.”

      I do. Any opportunity I get to point out to anybody just what we have as PM I take it. It’s quite startling how many people around don’t really dig deeper than the msm for their information, and I take great pleasure in debunking their mis-informed beliefs. It’s amazing too just how easily it can be to turn opinions around when you inform people with facts based on the truth. I’ve ditched some friends over my own concern to avoid their drug culture bringing me down, and I would equally ditch them if they were a BM type sycophant blinded by love or infatuation. Life’s too short to put up with being surrounded by fools and tools.

      • Rogue Trooper 1.1.1
        9 September 2013 at 11:29 am

        “I don’t like the drugs, but the drugs like me…”

      • Tracey 1.1.2
        9 September 2013 at 11:31 am

        good for you. I have found it’s like talking to a brick wall and gets very heated very quickly. Not my definition of a relaxing time.

    • ianmac 1.2
      9 September 2013 at 12:11 pm

      The term “The Smiling Assassin” I believe was the term that Mr Key used when referring to himself. He quoted it with apparent pride after firing a hundred or so of staff in London. I wonder why you would be proud for such actions?

      • Gosman 1.2.1
        9 September 2013 at 12:24 pm

        You don’t normally give yourself a nickname but you might be right. Where is your evidence for this claim?

        • Tracey 1.2.1.1
          9 September 2013 at 12:40 pm

          you seem to be right, it was given to him. There are numerous references.

          Including here

          http://chemtrailsnorthnz.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/in-search-of-john-key-original-article.pdf

          • Gosman 1.2.1.1.1
            9 September 2013 at 12:54 pm

            Oh I’m pretty sure he did get that nick name. It was just interesting that ianmac had to try and denigrate Key by implying he gave it to himself.

            • Puddleglum 1.2.1.1.1.1
              9 September 2013 at 2:19 pm

              Hi Gosman,

              He was apparently not very shy in relating the fact of his nickname:

              “During Key’s brief spell for Merrill Lynch in Sydney in 2001, he helped fire 500 staff as part of savage worldwide retrenchment by the bank. In the past, Key has appeared proud of his ability to sack without feelings. He told Metro magazine: “They always called me the smiling assassin.”

              Another quote from the same link:

              ” The high stakes and tribal nature of investment banking mean the head of a successful team, such as Key, is often hated by others in rival teams. And those with sufficient character to rise to the top are often aggressive, forceful individuals with polarising personalities.

              But Key managed to make himself appear relatively inoffensive to the widest possible number of people. Perhaps this makes him bland, indeed, one former trader describes him as “a bit of a clone”.

              He is likely, too, to have gained an extra layer of blankness from his training as a trader. Traders must learn the art of the poker face, to show no emotion even in extreme situations, and to guard their inner self.

              The only tangible sense in which Key asserted a persona of his own was in his accent. “We sometimes felt he would lay on his Kiwi accent so thick in meetings that none of us could understand what he was saying it was kind of deliberate,” says Kelly. “

              The ‘aw shucks’ strategy and inoffensive persona has served Key well for a long time – probably back to his early school days, given his unusual upbringing for a Kiwi boy.

              • amirite …
                9 September 2013 at 2:38 pm

                Anyone who feels proud that they have sacked 500 people without batting an eyelid is a psycho. Also, it’s not his ‘thick Kiwi accent’ but his slurring and mincing words that most of us find hard to decipher, and I’ve noticed that he uses it whenever he’s asked uncomfortable questions.

                • Gosman …
                  9 September 2013 at 3:19 pm

                  You obviously have had no experience in investment banks given thst comment. One of the flip sides of people getting highly paid is a lack of job security. If you want to get in to that industry you should be well aware of this.

                  • Puddleglum …
                    9 September 2013 at 3:23 pm

                    “If you want to get in to that industry you should be well aware of this.”

                    I think that’s the point, Gosman. It’s not a good fit for people prone to empathetic and sympathetic reactions. It would be too emotionally turbulent an experience.

                    • Gosman …
                      9 September 2013 at 3:30 pm

                      It would be rather arrogant to presume a certain personality type is better than others. I’d suggest outcomes are better at making this assessment and this usually has little to do with the personality of the guy at tge top of Government.

                    • Puddleglum …
                      10 September 2013 at 10:21 am

                      “It would be rather arrogant to presume a certain personality type is better than others.”

                      Very postmodern of you, Gosman.

                      The ‘fit’ I was referring to shows that I wasn’t making a comment about ‘better’ or ‘worse’ in absolute terms.

                      ‘Outcomes’ – your preferred measure – depend on the ‘fit’ between one’s character (not ‘personality’) and the task at hand. If success at the task at hand demands a character that discounts responsibility for repercussions of one’s actions on others then such a character is likely to produce the ‘best’ outcomes and, in that sense, be the ‘better’ character for the task.

                      BTW, I say ‘not’ personality above because personality traits do not directly relate to the ‘virtues’ like honesty, compassion, loyalty, etc. (though there may be some weak correlations, especially at the extremes). Grumpy introverts can be just as honest, compassionate or loyal as ‘hail fellow, well met’ extroverts.

                  • Colonial Viper …
                    9 September 2013 at 10:20 pm

                    One of the flip sides of people getting highly paid is a lack of job security.

                    Fuck off you asshole

                    You trying to explain that investment banker job security is worse than that of someone stacking supermarket shelves at 95% less pay?

                    Fuck you

                    Only you are sycophantic enough to protect people who earn the annual minimum wage in a week, trying to portray their employment as precarious.

                    What a dickwad.

                • irascible …
                  9 September 2013 at 10:07 pm

                  As someone remarked recently: Key is such an egotist that the lovebites he boasts of receiving from the adoring public were self inflicted. And so it is with the mythology created around him…nothing about him rings true from the self adopted nick name of the “smiling assasin” through to his “aw- shucks, am I bovvered?” persona. Hold him up to critical scrutiny and you see the shallow, arrogance for what it is…selfishness and greed.

                  • Gosman …
                    9 September 2013 at 10:56 pm

                    Seems like enough people like that at the moment but we will see at the next election if it is durable or not.

  2. BM 2
    9 September 2013 at 10:59 am

    Key is not to be underestimated

    Christ, how big are the egos on the left, 2 elections, 2 hidings.
    Wake up, the man is 10x the politician than any one on the left, I can’t believe there are still people out there who under estimate the man.

    And in case you don’t know, the reason why all the big brained intellectuals fail at trading is because their egos get in the way so they can’t admit they’re wrong.
    They ride all their losing trades to the bottom and end up losing their shirts.

    People from sightly more modest backgrounds such as Key don’t have a problem with making mistakes,no one can be 100% right.

    In the trading world some traders can be successful being right less than 50% of the time, the key is to know when you’re wrong and get out quickly, the flip side is knowing when you’re absolutely on the money and riding it for all it’s worth.

    It really is one of his skills and the reason he was so successful as a trader and the reason he’s so successful as a PM.

    He realizes quickly when it’s turning to shit gets in,makes changes and gets it sorted.

    • Tracey 2.1
      9 September 2013 at 11:32 am

      Wow BM, am really impressed. I didn’t realise how much nitty gritty you knew about the world of trading and traders.

      • BM 2.1.1
        9 September 2013 at 11:42 am

        Even though I’m picking up a rather sarcastic vibe.

        I actually did a bit forex trading a while ago and I’m not ashamed to say I wasn’t successful.
        It is not easy, you need cojones the size of watermelons, very deep pockets and be able to make snap decisions involving lots and lots of data which can have a drastic effect on lots and lots of money.

        Very few people have what it takes to be a successful forex trader

        • Tracey 2.1.1.1
          9 September 2013 at 12:21 pm

          it wasnt sarcastic. I was going to put (genuine) in brackets.

        • Tracey 2.1.1.2
          9 September 2013 at 12:23 pm

          and that is why Key’s complete inability to make decisions on the hoof is not about kahunas but about who he needs to placate before taking a stand…

          i am sure you will agree the trading floor and upper echelons are not representative of the “real” world. It’s quite rarified air and those who succeed or dwell there are in a somewhat artificial world.

          • Gosman 2.1.1.2.1
            9 September 2013 at 12:26 pm

            And yet he seems to have been making a pretty good fist of it in the ‘real’ world (if being a politician can be called real).

            • Tracey 2.1.1.2.1.1
              9 September 2013 at 12:43 pm

              my point is the right usually accuse academics and pollies of not living in the real world BUT “real world” is a vacuous term that is used liberally to substitute for argument. Key’s life is no more or less real world than an academic or politician. Everyone’s world is pretty insular.

              • Gosman …
                9 September 2013 at 3:25 pm

                Have you ever seen market places in most places in the world? I’m not meaning the sedate, safe, middle class suburban shopping malls of the developed world either but the bustle of the bazar or town square on market day. John Key is more connected with that ‘real’ world than any pointy headed academic would be.

                • McFlock …
                  9 September 2013 at 4:11 pm

                  that would be why he’s keen on turning us into a third-world country.

                  • Gosman …
                    9 September 2013 at 4:17 pm

                    If your vision for a developed world economy is full of shopping malls then more power to you. I actually like the hustle and variety in a market place myself.

                    • McFlock …
                      9 September 2013 at 5:31 pm

                      He’s happy for our waterways to be open sewers for the dairy industry, too.

                    • Gosman …
                      9 September 2013 at 10:59 pm

                      Our water ways have always been open sewers for the dairy or any live stock industry. It was the same under Labour. Nothing has changed. Not to state I disagree that things should change though.

                    • Colonial Viper …
                      9 September 2013 at 11:01 pm

                      Dude, that’s bullshit (literally), stocking levels have gone up enormously in the last ten years. And I’d hate to count the number of dairy conversions which have occurred over that same time period.

                    • miravox …
                      10 September 2013 at 8:33 am

                      “If your vision for a developed world economy is full of shopping malls then more power to you. I actually like the hustle and variety in a market place myself.”

                      So what do you reckon the chances of markets (or even small, traditional shops) winning out in the new fast track planning laws and resource management changes? … Or their chances in pretty much any developed world economy that follows the similar economic policies to NZ?

                  • framu …
                    9 September 2013 at 4:17 pm

                    well gossman is totes the tintin type

                    hes all searching out red rakhams lost hedge and shit

                    Of course he would know what the world is like – Him and his little white dog ‘ayn” are always out and about in morocco and other “real” places. None of you stupid communists have even set foot outside your state mandated cuboid so what would you know!

                    [/sarc]

                • Tracey …
                  10 September 2013 at 8:24 am

                  you think Key is more like to shop at a “market” than a mall? What planet are you on?

                  John Key shopping in Otara’s market or Dubai’s mall?

        • Puddleglum 2.1.1.3
          9 September 2013 at 2:31 pm

          Hi BM,

          From your experience trading, would you also say that the successful ones also need to be ‘amoral’? That is, justify the trading on the basis that, despite the damage caused by a great deal of it, it is not their problem? That is, that that’s the job, and they have no moral responsibility for the consequences?

          My only insight into that world was a friend who ended up in one of the banks’ trading offices in Wellington back in the early 90s.

          That person had to work their way sideways in the bank – out of trading – because of the moral disruption to their Catholic upbringing. Basically, after they had gained the trust and friendship of a set of clients their boss said “Now you can really be useful” and told them that they were now to do deals that were more beneficial to the bank than to the client.

          My sense from that conversation was that it would be practically impossible for a moral and ethical person to succeed in that work, to any great extent.

          • Mike S 2.1.1.3.1
            9 September 2013 at 4:34 pm

            Numerous studies have shown that people with psychopathic or sociopathic traits make more successful traders. So much so that the big investment banks now actively seek recruits with those personality traits. Apparently as many as one in 100 of us are psychopathic.(doesn’t mean 1 in 100 are serial killers!)

            I would guess that one of the big attractions is that these people have no empathy and don’t essentially have a conscience, which means they can make decisions which will negatively affect many peoples lives without hesitation because of the lack of empathy. This would explain the smiling assassin nickname perfectly.

    • Ron 2.2
      9 September 2013 at 11:48 am

      BM Seeing that you are so supportive of JK and his former occupation I wonder if you would like to enlighten us all as to exactly what benefit financial trading brings to a society. I am sure we would all benefit from your input on ths subject. You might also like to mention if you support PPP and HFT both ideas that are in the news these days.

      • BM 2.2.1
        9 September 2013 at 12:17 pm

        There is definitely a need for currency trading.

        I haven’t being involved in any aspect of trading for at least 10 years so I’m not really up with the play on the latest ideas.

        HFT which I assume is High frequency trading.

        That was just starting to come in while I was doing it, one of the weaknesses of forex trading was the human side.
        By automating the process and basing your entry and exit points on trading algorithms you removed the hesitancy and doubt from trading which was supposed to lead to more successful trading.

        • Tracey 2.2.1.1
          9 September 2013 at 12:24 pm

          A need based on what?

          • Gosman 2.2.1.1.1
            9 September 2013 at 12:29 pm

            A need to facilitate the process of commercial transactions and to mitigate risk. If you didn’t have Forex trading you wouldn’t have mass international trade. Of course many lefties don’t believe in the benefit of mass international trade so perhaps you think that would be a good outcome. Luckily most rational and sane people do support it.

            • Tracey 2.2.1.1.1.1
              9 September 2013 at 12:45 pm

              most rational and sane people dont understand it Gosman.

              yes, the left abhors international trade which is why they negotiated the FTA with China and one of them headed the world bank.

            • Kevin Welsh 2.2.1.1.1.2
              9 September 2013 at 1:37 pm

              Interesting Gosman.

              “Luckily most rational and sane people do support it.”

              Righto. These rational and same people support a business that is 80% based on speculation. Doesn’t really sound like something a rational and sane person would entertain for a moment.

              I find it hard to believe that the world managed to get by quite nicely without this for thousands of years, but now it is a necessity for international trade to take place.

              http://www.investopedia.com/articles/forex/06/sevenfxfaqs.asp

              • Gosman …
                9 September 2013 at 3:38 pm

                Why do you think the world got on nicely for thisand oc years before this? Do you know that the vast majority of people live short and miserable lives in extreme poverty prior to international trade kicking off?

            • Mike S 2.2.1.1.1.3
              9 September 2013 at 4:41 pm

              Absolute bullshit. The forex trading we’re talking about has no productive value to the economy whatsoever. Yes you need foreign exchange markets to help facilitate international trade but The speculative type of forex trading where traders seek only to make money from trading is detrimental to the economy. This is because it is part of the false, financial economy and sucks money out of the real economy of goods and services. That money rarely returns.

          • BM 2.2.1.1.2
            9 September 2013 at 12:30 pm

            Cut and paste

            The primary reason the FX market exists is to facilitate the exchange of one currency into another for multinational corporations that need to trade currencies continually (for example, for payroll, payment for costs of goods and services from foreign vendors, and merger and acquisition activity). However, these day-to-day corporate needs comprise only about 20% of the market volume. Fully 80% of trades in the currency market are speculative in nature, put on by large financial institutions, multibillion dollar hedge funds and even individuals who want to express their opinions on the economic and geopolitical events of the day.

            • Tracey 2.2.1.1.2.1
              9 September 2013 at 12:47 pm

              Thanks BM. To clarify is that saying that 80% of trading is kind of gambling to make money(lol @ express opinions) to become wealthier rather than for another purpose, like facilitation of trade?

              • BM …
                9 September 2013 at 12:54 pm

                I did like the expressing an opinion bit

                All depends, it can get very complex especially when hedging.

                People can be “investing” in gold or oil futures but could be long US dollars to offset their oil and gold investment.

            • Ron 2.2.1.1.2.2
              9 September 2013 at 1:04 pm

              BM I would be interested in your source that most people support International Trade. Your supposition might have some weight if the trade was of equal value to both partners. Sadly this is rarely the case. I would encourage everyone to view the documentary Inside Job, it may help to understand just what damage the Financial Industry can do.
              The doco won an Acamadey Award as best documentary in 2010 amd also won a prize at Cannes Festival

        • Tracey 2.2.1.2
          9 September 2013 at 12:31 pm

          “Key was ordered to cut his 300-strong team by 50 or 60, Bellotti recalls.

          “It was a very difficult environment,” Key says. “But for the survival of the business, we did what was necessary.”

          Bellotti, now managing director for global markets at Australia New Zealand Banking Group in Sydney, says Key succeeded as a currency trader without taking big risks.

          “He was not the king of volatility,” Bellotti says. “He was not the superstar outstanding athlete. He was consistent sometimes to the point of being boring. He was also a great team builder.””

          ”

          Business news agency Bloomberg takes an outsider’s look at where it thinks New Zealand and John Key are heading.

          When he was Merrill Lynch’s global head of foreign exchange in London in 1998, the ever-cheerful John Key was nicknamed “the smiling assassin” after he fired some 50 members of his team.”

    • Tim 2.3
      9 September 2013 at 2:12 pm

      “And in case you don’t know, the reason why all the big brained intellectuals fail at trading is because their egos get in the way so they can’t admit they’re wrong.”

      I’ve no doubt you’re correct about that BM. I don’t underestimate the guy, but I do differentiate between intellect which involves a capacity for logic and reasoning, and animal instinct and cunning – parrot fashion learning.
      It explains why he’s so committed to an ideology that keeps on failing – or at least doesn’t give him the results he’s been expecting as far as the economy goes. All those jobs he promised, and higher wages.
      Even the mangled language is learned (why they even have ‘learnings’ these days – instead of lessons).

      The guy is ekshly a bit of a coward too – others have to do his dirty work in order for him to maintain his ‘regular guy’ persona.

      You’re right about the egos though – at least as far as Robertson and Jones go.

    • Froyd 2.4
      9 September 2013 at 3:41 pm

      Which is why I suspect that if things start going against him badly, as they did for Rudd across the Tasman, he will bail rather than fail – his sort of ego can’t handle public failure so he’ll leave and let someone else carry the can so’s to maintain his ‘spotless’ reputation as he calls in all the favours he’s now owed for directorships and sinecures.

  3. Rogue Trooper 3
    9 September 2013 at 11:02 am

    Mobster
    (see if you can spot my neighbour , he got some new moko applied on the front lawn yesterday at his ‘chur ch’)

    • Ennui 3.1
      9 September 2013 at 12:23 pm

      I reckon if the Shonkstar had ever done a true days labour in his life, like at the freezer he would have a tat or two, or if not some scars to prove it. As it is he did the bypass and went straight to the casino.

      • Rogue Trooper 3.1.1
        9 September 2013 at 12:53 pm

        i used to pick orders at a Mainland Distribution Center; always enjoy physical work in the cooler temperatures, had hand pellet trolleys and jiffys. We used to have challenges building the pellet as high as possible through selecting the order of stacking; that’s also when the weeding gets done. Time to put some spuds in again.

      • Rogue Trooper 3.1.2
        9 September 2013 at 12:54 pm

        test

  4. Sable 4
    9 September 2013 at 11:26 am

    The question is not what Keys is, that’s clearly established by now. The question is what does Labour stand for? I’m, not convinced they have moved that far from the capitalist mentality that has seen them gradually loose ground and favour with grass roots voters. Labour need to start acting like a Labour party and not a vague “everyman”party if they want to tap into core support from elements of the middle and working classes.

    • Crunchtime 4.1
      9 September 2013 at 12:48 pm

      Strange – have you been listening or reading anything Cunliffe says recently? Because that’s exactly what he’s been doing – talking up workers rights, the minimum wage, the living wage, taking a line against beneficiary bashing and poor bashing (that the other two are not actually matching).

      If Cunliffe does get elected Labour leader, then I believe you’ll get the Labour you’re asking for.

  5. Wayne 5
    9 September 2013 at 11:33 am

    Karol,

    If you think John Key is all about being a “casino capitalist”, you are seriously deluded.

    I know it is fun to make cardboard caricatures about ones opponents, but this constant meme about John Key as the casino capitalist as a means of describing his role as PM are way off the mark. It also shows a woeful level of ignorance about the motivations of the National Party.

    One of the reasons why National succeeded in 2008 was because we had a realistic understanding of the Helen Clark government, not a fanciful one that only appealed to party activists. We worked out what people liked about the Clark government, how it fitted into New Zealand’s political history, and of course what NZer’s did not like about it.

    Its no accident that Sir Michael Cullen has been appointed by the Nats to various boards. We grew to respect him.

    I guess we will find out soon enough if David Cunliffe really has the measure of John Key.

    • Rogue Trooper 5.1
      9 September 2013 at 11:35 am

      It will be a close race, different strengths, who will be the stayer (intrinsically motivated).

    • Tracey 5.2
      9 September 2013 at 11:39 am

      Wayne

      Did you read Hollow Men?

    • karol 5.3
      9 September 2013 at 11:47 am

      Wayne, my post is about Key and not National Party motivations. I mainly go on what is available in the public arena, media, policies, watching parliament TV, etc.

      The way I’ve summarised the anti-democratic, bennie bashing etc agenda, is base on the design and impact of their policies and strategies. “Motivations” is an unverifiable thing going on in an individual’s mind.

      I’ve come to my own conclusions about key’s strategies and style, also based on such public evidence, including how he comes across via videos, TV etc. His behaviour, way of speaking (as in the videos I’ve linked to) and presenting ideas present him as someone who perfectly fits the kind of traders described in the Guardian post.

      I agree the Labour Party strategists need to base their approach on a wide range of research. But I am not a strategist for any political party, let alone Labour (I am not a Labour party member, and not likely to give them my party vote until they truly show they have returned to a solid left position.

      My post is written from the position of being part of the broader left, and one of my points is that we can’t rely on MPs to do everything for us.

      • Gosman 5.3.1
        9 September 2013 at 12:36 pm

        What you seem to fail to understand is that attacking Key hasn’t worked for the left till now so why should it be any different going forward.

        What different strategies are the left going to try in their attacks. Is it going to try what you are attempting here by highlighting his Forex trading background? I thought Mike Williams tried that before the 2008 election to little success.

        What the left should do is chip away at his power base by trying to remove supporters in caucus. Go after a few Cabinet ministers and weaken him. If you weaken him enough you don’t even need to attack him directly to defeat him.

        • karol 5.3.1.1
          9 September 2013 at 12:44 pm

          What different strategies are the left going to try in their attacks.

          um see the other TS posts on Cunliffe’s vision, the speeches by the Labour leadership contenders, plus Green Party policies, etc.

          • Tracey 5.3.1.1.1
            9 September 2013 at 12:49 pm

            gosman is being left behind karol. He is still peddling his communist crazies meme, he hasn’t worked out that people posting about disliking key is not the same as a political strategy at campaign time to personally attack him.

            he has selective memory so bear with him.

      • Paaparakauta 5.3.2
        9 September 2013 at 2:48 pm

        That’s a great moko on him, Karol, except for the unnecessary ‘Merrill Lynch’ ..

        It gives him a gravitas and maturity he lacks in real life.

      • Chooky 5.3.3
        9 September 2013 at 5:01 pm

        +100 Karol…..thanks!….very interesting post

    • fender 5.4
      9 September 2013 at 11:49 am

      “Its no accident that Sir Michael Cullen has been appointed by the Nats to various boards. We grew to respect him.”

      Doesn’t stop the likes of Key, English, Joyce et al spreading lies and misinformation about his competence as Finance Minister though does it. Wayne, your National cronies are foul and corrupt.

      • Tracey 5.4.1
        9 September 2013 at 12:13 pm

        “We worked out what people liked about the Clark government, how it fitted into New Zealand’s political history, and of course what NZer’s did not like about it. ”

        The first and second were what they focused on. Then they packaged themselves as appealing to these voters, and this is the key, so they could then do what they wanted without having to spell it out too clearly how detrimental it would be to most who voted for them.

        • BM 5.4.1.1
          9 September 2013 at 12:43 pm

          This is the key to being successful in business or politics, it’s got nothing to do with being visionary and new.
          It’s about what’s in the market currently and improving on it.

          When I hear people on the left talk about being bold and visionary,I think “these guys don’t have a clue”.
          You don’t need to be new and bold you just have to provide a better product or service than what the other guy/girl is offering.

          • Tracey 5.4.1.1.1
            9 September 2013 at 12:50 pm

            ” improving on it.”

            I disagree, it’s less about improving the product than changing how the product looks so they buy it from me instead of you. I dont know if you read Hollow Men BM, but it’s not really about a deep ideological heartfelt belief to pull poor kiwis up, and raise wages and so on…

            it’s about looking like you want to do those things.

          • Colonial Viper 5.4.1.1.2
            9 September 2013 at 1:00 pm

            It’s about what’s in the market currently and improving on it.

            That’s only one strategy, a conservative one, and one which neglects that paradigm changes in service and product concepts can create whole new markets which never existed before.

            • BM 5.4.1.1.2.1
              9 September 2013 at 1:09 pm

              True, but it’s incredibly risky, the upside is, if it comes off you control the market.

              The downside is people are naturally conservative and stick with what they know, which makes the chances of success so much harder.
              Change has to be a gradually process, get people used to it, which is why once again Key is so successful.

              For example, when he won the election in 2008 unlike what many on the right wanted he didn’t suddenly announce “The previous nine years of labour rule is now over everything is out the door and this is how everything will be done from now on”

              Key knew it would be a fucking disaster and people would revolt, so instead he’s doing it the correct way and gradually making changes.

              • Puddleglum …
                9 September 2013 at 2:43 pm

                So, BM, you would have advised Douglas and Lange against making the rapid, truly revolutionary changes they introduced?

                • BM …
                  9 September 2013 at 3:05 pm

                  Absolutely, it was very poorly handled.

                  Changes definitely needed to be made but the haste and the ruthlessness that Douglas and Lange went about it was pretty terrible.

                  Destroyed a lot of lives and communities unnecessarily.

                  • Puddleglum …
                    9 September 2013 at 3:11 pm

                    Thanks for a consistent, reasonable – and reasoned – response.

                    • framu …
                      9 September 2013 at 4:21 pm

                      agreed

                      BM – its not often we would see eye to eye (except maybe for architecture it seems), but comment threads like this one totally change my opinion of you

                      Keep it up (though i dont think you need anyones approval or anything)

                      Cheers

              • Tracey …
                10 September 2013 at 8:30 am

                you will admit they moved incredibly quickly to change the labour laws to disadvantage unskilled workers, or advantage employers (depending on viewpoint), happened VERY fast indeed. There were some things they reversed VERY quickly.

    • framu 5.5
      9 September 2013 at 12:14 pm

      “One of the reasons why National succeeded in 2008 was because we had a realistic understanding of the Helen Clark government, not a fanciful one that only appealed to party activists.”

      so near five years of screaming “shes a lesbian!” “oh my god shes wearing pants” “look! her teeth are ugly” and who could forget “LIGHTBULBS, ARRRRGGHH DEMOCRACY HAS ENDED!”had nothing to do with it wayne? Or was that just part of the plan?

      • Tracey 5.5.1
        9 September 2013 at 12:26 pm

        lol

        hence my comment about hollow men…

        the key is that Key didnt yell that, they used people like Hooten to plant the meme… and the blogosphere of course.

        national was playing dirty but they made sure their MP’s hands were clean.

      • Wayne 5.5.2
        9 September 2013 at 3:01 pm

        Well as MP’s we did go on about Light bulbs (an easy and cheap shot), and of course the Electoral Finance Act. Although we could never really understand why Helen developed such a tin ear about the excesses of her Bill, maybe it was third termitis.

        Of course we do know she could get a bee in her bonnet about certain things. Her reaction to the Forshore and SeaBed Hikoi being an example. Not really that smart to say she would sooner meet a sheep – and in many respects her fall in popularity can be pinned to that time. Such a comment might get a laugh, but it does cause people to wonder.

        As for the personal insults, well, yes there were plenty of party members who went overboard on that, just as there in Labour today. The number of times I read here about John Key being a psychopath, including from primary authors.

        We did actually try to discourage them, since it was not pleasant, and usually counterproductive.

        And I know that John Key holds Helen Clark in high regard.

        • karol 5.5.2.1
          9 September 2013 at 3:07 pm

          Helen Clark on the Foreshore & Seabed was not her finest moment.

          I’ve never called Key a psychopath.

          I’ve always struggled to understand why Key dropped his finance job and came into politics, after never having been involved in politics.

          My comments aren’t persona and say nothing about his personal life. They relate to Key’s career, mthology and media persona, carefully nurtured by Key and his handlers. It’s the main marketing strategy of the National government, therefore it is legitimate to analyse it.

          • Gosman 5.5.2.1.1
            9 September 2013 at 4:08 pm

            People burn out in finance all the time. He had the good sense to get out while he was ahead. I believe he came back to NZ to raise his young family. Isn’t that the sort of thing that the left would support?

            • karol 5.5.2.1.1.1
              9 September 2013 at 4:18 pm

              I believe he came back to NZ to raise his young family.

              Oh, right, and then he thought, PM job coming up soon, I’ll go for it?

              • Gosman …
                9 September 2013 at 4:31 pm

                No, he thought that he might like to get into politics and approached a senior National party member about the possibility of becoming an MP. Do you find something morally objectionable about a New Zealander from overseas coming home and getting involved in politics?

                • One Anonymous Knucklehead …
                  9 September 2013 at 4:36 pm

                  Raising a young family while being Prime Minister: Karol was pointing out how ridiculous your comment is.

                  • Gosman …
                    9 September 2013 at 9:25 pm

                    I don’t believe he decided to become PM straight away. He was just a standard MP initially. Unless you think MP’s shouldn’t have young children.

                    • vto …
                      9 September 2013 at 9:31 pm

                      You’ve got your blinkers on crooked gosman, he aimed for PM since he was 9 years old. But then, that is just what he said, so I guess it means fuck-all actually.

                • framu …
                  9 September 2013 at 5:21 pm

                  “approached a senior National party member about the possibility of becoming an MP.”

                  does santa still visit your house to?

                • beGone Craven Spy Bill leopard …
                  9 September 2013 at 6:06 pm

                  Lol Gosman,

                  Didn’t you miss a bit out there?

                  Corrected version:

                  “He came back to NZ to raise his young family and destroy any remaining democratic practices getting in the way of his ‘bosses’ profits. Isn’t that the sort of thing that the left would support?”

                  Makes the answer to your question a little more obvious: No, I think that there must be a few Right wingers who wouldn’t support the damage Key has conducted on the democratic practices of this country.

                  • Gosman …
                    9 September 2013 at 9:25 pm

                    “…I think that there must be a few Right wingers who wouldn’t support the damage Key has conducted on the democratic practices of this country.”

                    Such as who?

                    • vto …
                      9 September 2013 at 9:33 pm

                      exactly

                    • beGone Craven SpyBill leopard …
                      10 September 2013 at 12:03 am

                      Just assuming that there must be people of right wing persuasion that don’t like the lack of principles Key and co have shown.

                      Would have thought that even some Nat MPs/back benchers might feel ashamed what they are doing to this country and their ‘governing’ (snigger) techniques. Kinda more closely resembling a farce…must be some who see the level of incompetence in evidence.

                    • Colonial Viper …
                      10 September 2013 at 12:05 am

                      Lots of old school Tories have come to hate Key.

                    • Gosman …
                      10 September 2013 at 2:36 am

                      Such as who exactly C.V.?

                    • beGone Craven SpyBill leopard …
                      10 September 2013 at 12:10 pm

                      @Gosman,

                      I am aware of people who usually vote National who voted NZ First last election. Bet there will be heaps more who do that in the next election.

                      Start looking around for other parties folks, this Nat party is incompetent

          • Wayne 5.5.2.1.2
            9 September 2013 at 5:35 pm

            Koral,

            I agree you have never called John Key a psychopath, though you do seem to think his role as a banker explains all his current actions.

            For what it is worth, I think he always thought politics would appeal, but wanted to do other things first. And his chosen profession would pretty much have required his total focus, especially once he went overseas.

            In this regard I think the Nats tend to be a bit different to Labour.

            Far fewer of them are party activists since teen years. However, some are (Simon Bridges, Nikki Kaye, Murray McCully, Bill English, Tony Ryall, Nick Smith, Jamie Lee Ross, Chris Finlayson to name a few).

            But a significant number come in during their mid 30’s to mid 40’s having had very little engagement with the Party. They may have had a desire to be engaged in the past, but for a variety of reasons did not do so. But they know what they believe in and where they fit in the political spectrum.

            I suspect for the PM, the age of his children, along with achieving financial independence, would have been a factor in his decision to return to NZ. And it meant he had the opportunity to do what was always in the back of his mind.

            And remember, all politicians (irrespective of party) think they have what it takes to make a difference for their community ahead of other people.

            • Tautoko Viper 5.5.2.1.2.1
              9 September 2013 at 9:57 pm

              “And remember, all politicians (irrespective of party) think they have what it takes to make a difference for their community ahead of other people.”

              So you think that John Key went into politics to make a difference for his community (the financially well-off) ahead of other people (the 95% of kiwis).

            • geoff 5.5.2.1.2.2
              9 September 2013 at 10:28 pm

              Hollow words from a hollow man.

        • framu 5.5.2.2
          9 September 2013 at 3:23 pm

          you totally avoided answering the question wayne

          your setting up this fantasy that national succeded because of knowledge of the electorate and sound policy that people wanted

          im saying thats a load of stinking bullshit

          Through your proxies you engaged in a multi year hate fest.

          You engendered an atmosphere that ended up with people thinking a proposal (not even a draft bill or policy) on shower heads was equivalent to the burning of the reichstag.

          You spread lies, slander and deliberate mis-information

          and then had an election campaign that was essentially – “its our turn” and no actual policy, just slogans

          Yeah, national one – but dont for a second have the nerve to try and claim it was anything other than a long term, planned campaign of negativity and deliberate manipulation that got national over the line

          Yes you had an understanding of the electorate – but it a manipulative, dishonest and cynically hollow implementation of that understanding that was put in effect.

          And that was just the 2008 election. lets not bring up the brethren just yet

        • lprent 5.5.2.3
          9 September 2013 at 4:01 pm

          Although we could never really understand why Helen developed such a tin ear about the excesses of her Bill, maybe it was third termitis.

          Doubtful. After all the act essentially remained the same after National got in, renamed it, and did minor changes in quantity to limits. About the only substantive change was the period of the electoral period that parties had to account for back down the the ridiculously short few months before the election. Good for National’s campaigners to hide their electioneering. But that still needs to be changed in the first term on the next Labour government.

          Interesting that National had the tin ear when it came to them running retrospective legislation for legitimizing the clearly illegal actions of the police/GCSB and ignoring all public submissions from anyone (including the law commission :twisted:).

          And the TICS bill is even worse.

          I guess they just have a death wish / second-terminalitis…

        • Tracey 5.5.2.4
          10 September 2013 at 8:34 am

          You didnt say whether you read Hollow Men Wayne. That puts a different light on the “strategy” of National from the one you attempted higher up. The proven lying to the public…

          How do you consider the EFA was significantly more an attack on democracy than, say, the GCSB legislation?

          Are you prepared to state here and now that you believe that every MP who voted for that Act, ad who has nothing to hide, has nothing to fear from posting all the emails they sent or received yesterday, online for the public to view?

        • yeshe 5.5.2.5
          10 September 2013 at 2:15 pm

          “And I know that John Key holds Helen Clark in high regard.”

          jeez wayne .. I’m sure that’s really important to her. hope she reads it here. Yeah ? Nah.

  6. wyndham 6
    9 September 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Brilliant karol – – – – as with all your posts !

  7. johnm 7
    9 September 2013 at 12:27 pm

    Key at the time thought the Celtic Tiger was a great show.
    As far as I’m concerned he’s one of those self-serving w$nking bankers. One of the Merryll Lynch mob

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2nA2szz8dY

  8. Pasupial 8
    9 September 2013 at 12:29 pm

    Karol

    Just starting to read your post, but read the TDB one earlier this morn: It was by Tim Selwyn, not Selwyn Manning.
    [Feel free to delete this comment if/ when you update your post’s link.]

  9. Crunchtime 9
    9 September 2013 at 12:35 pm

    I think it’s clear, despite the ABC crowd and much of the media running scared, that Cunliffe is the best person for top job.

    But I’m hoping to see all 3 candidates on the front bench. All 3 are capable and talented ministers who have Key’s measure.

  10. Penny Bright 10
    9 September 2013 at 2:45 pm

    BREAKING NEWS!

    http://www.investigatemagazine.co.nz/Investigate/4153/top-organised-crime-agency-ofcanz-in-sky-city-casino-shocker/

    NZ Prime Minister John Key – helping to set up a MONEY-LAUNDERING FACTORY at Sky City?

    Penny Bright

    • Bob 10.1
      9 September 2013 at 3:10 pm

      Sort of like ‘Notes In Coins Out’ is a way of money laundering Penny?
      Remember, those are ‘clean coins’ coming out of the machine, they don’t even have serial numbers!!!! Helen Clark should have been strung up for allowing this terrible money laundering scheme into the country!

      Also, the new TITO system requires people to leave their personal details when they withdraw more than $500, a system that has to been seen as an improvement (not perfect but an improvement) on the existing system for controlling money laundering.

      Out of interest Penny, if you were to become Mayor, what is your stance on the Casino? Would you be declining their building consents for the new conference centre?

    • Tim 10.2
      9 September 2013 at 3:12 pm

      Pick your battles Penny. If its true, or has any merit to it – it’ll keep!

  11. Rob 11
    9 September 2013 at 4:35 pm

    Oh my god, the horror, a blu-tac stunt gets actioned in an office.

    Really……

  12. chris73 12
    9 September 2013 at 6:56 pm

    “Labour has consistently under-estimated John Key.”

    – No shit, some of us have been saying that for years but theres still posters on here that continue to write him off

    “I won’t.”

    – Smart

    “But I’ve got his measure and he knows it.”

    – What does Cunliffe have that Cullen, Clark, Goff, Campbell and Shearer didn’t? These are bold words so it’ll be interesting to see if he can back them up

    • Tim 12.1
      9 September 2013 at 7:19 pm

      Probably having seen him ‘operate’ and ply his bullshit at a very human and grass roots level C73. Pulling his con jobs when there is ekshly no need for him to have done so. Rotary type stuff.
      Seeing through, and actually witnessing the spin.
      Still – if he’s got nothing to hide, he’ll have nothing to fear ….. aye!

  13. tricledrown 13
    10 September 2013 at 9:28 am

    Merril Lynch are facing 2 prosecutions by US authorities at the moment looking back through ML s history they are the most corrupt bank ever John Key was involved at very high level saying it didn’t happen when I was their is jusy another lie.
    Which is what we have come to expect from Key and ML.

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    In the ever-evolving world of technology, server-based computing has emerged as a cornerstone of modern digital infrastructure. This article delves into the concept of server-based computing, exploring its various forms, benefits, challenges, and its impact on the way we work and interact with technology. Understanding Server-Based Computing: At its core, ...
    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    22 hours ago

  • Vroom vroom go the big red trucks
    The absolute brass neck of this guy.We want more medical doctors, not more spin doctors, Luxon was saying a couple of weeks ago, and now we’re told the guy has seven salaried adults on TikTok duty. Sorry, doing social media. The absolute brass neck of it. The irony that the ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    22 hours ago

  • Jones finds $410,000 to help the government muscle in on a spat project
    Buzz from the Beehive Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones relishes spatting and eagerly takes issue with environmentalists who criticise his enthusiasm for resource development. He relishes helping the fishing industry too. And so today, while the media are making much of the latest culling in the public service to ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    23 hours ago

  • Again, hate crimes are not necessarily terrorism.
    Having written, taught and worked for the US government on issues involving unconventional warfare and terrorism for 30-odd years, two things irritate me the most when the subject is discussed in public. The first is the Johnny-come-lately academics-turned-media commentators who … Continue reading → ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 day ago

  • Despair – construction consenting edition
    Eric Crampton writes – Kainga Ora is the government’s house building agency. It’s been building a lot of social housing. Kainga Ora has its own (but independent) consenting authority, Consentium. It’s a neat idea. Rather than have to deal with building consents across each different territorial authority, Kainga Ora ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    1 day ago

  • Coalition promises – will the Govt keep the commitment to keep Kiwis equal before the law?
    Muriel Newman writes – The Coalition Government says it is moving with speed to deliver campaign promises and reverse the damage done by Labour. One of their key commitments is to “defend the principle that New Zealanders are equal before the law.” To achieve this, they have pledged they “will not advance ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    1 day ago

  • An impermanent public service is a guarantee of very little else but failure
    Chris Trotter writes –  The absence of anything resembling a fightback from the public servants currently losing their jobs is interesting. State-sector workers’ collective fatalism in the face of Coalition cutbacks indicates a surprisingly broad acceptance of impermanence in the workplace. Fifty years ago, lay-offs in the thousands ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    1 day ago

  • What happens after the war – Mariupol
    Mariupol, on the Azov Sea coast, was one of the first cities to suffer almost complete destruction after the start of the Ukraine War started in late February 2022. We remember the scenes of absolute destruction of the houses and city structures. The deaths of innocent civilians – many of ...
    Open ParachuteBy Ken
    1 day ago

  • Babies and benefits – no good news
    Lindsay Mitchell writes – Ten years ago, I wrote the following in a Listener column: Every year around one in five new-born babies will be reliant on their caregivers benefit by Christmas. This pattern has persisted from at least 1993. For Maori the number jumps to over one in three.  ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    1 day ago

  • Should the RBNZ be looking through climate inflation?
    Climate change is expected to generate more and more extreme events, delivering a sort of structural shock to inflation that central banks will have to react to as if they were short-term cyclical issues. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāMy pick of the six newsey things to know from Aotearoa’s ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 day ago

  • Bernard's pick 'n' mix of the news links
    The top six news links I’ve seen elsewhere in the last 24 hours, as of 9:16 am on Thursday, April 18 are:Housing: Tauranga residents living in boats, vans RNZ Checkpoint Louise TernouthHousing: Waikato councillor says wastewater plant issues could hold up Sleepyhead building a massive company town Waikato Times Stephen ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 day ago

  • Gordon Campbell on the public sector carnage, and misogyny as terrorism
    It’s a simple deal. We pay taxes in order to finance the social services we want and need. The carnage now occurring across the public sector though, is breaking that contract. Over 3,000 jobs have been lost so far. Many are in crucial areas like Education where the impact of ...
    Gordon CampbellBy lyndon
    1 day ago

  • Meeting the Master Baiters
    Hi,A friend had their 40th over the weekend and decided to theme it after Curb Your Enthusiasm fashion icon Susie Greene. Captured in my tiny kitchen before I left the house, I ending up evoking a mix of old lesbian and Hillary Clinton — both unintentional.Me vs Hillary ClintonIf you’re ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    1 day ago

  • How extreme was the Earth's temperature in 2023
    This is a re-post from Andrew Dessler at the Climate Brink blog In 2023, the Earth reached temperature levels unprecedented in modern times. Given that, it’s reasonable to ask: What’s going on? There’s been lots of discussions by scientists about whether this is just the normal progression of global warming or if something ...
    Skeptical Science
    1 day ago

  • Backbone, revisited
    The schools are on holiday and the sun is shining in the seaside village and all day long I have been seeing bunches of bikes; Mums, Dads, teens and toddlers chattering, laughing, happy, having a bloody great time together. Cheers, AT, for the bits of lane you’ve added lately around the ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    2 days ago

  • Ministers are not above the law
    Today in our National-led authoritarian nightmare: Shane Jones thinks Ministers should be above the law: New Zealand First MP Shane Jones is accusing the Waitangi Tribunal of over-stepping its mandate by subpoenaing a minister for its urgent hearing on the Oranga Tamariki claim. The tribunal is looking into the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago

  • What’s the outfit you can hear going down the gurgler? Probably it’s David Parker’s Oceans Sec...
    Buzz from the Beehive Point  of Order first heard of the Oceans Secretariat in June 2021, when David Parker (remember him?) announced a multi-agency approach to protecting New Zealand’s marine ecosystems and fisheries. Parker (holding the Environment, and Oceans and Fisheries portfolios) broke the news at the annual Forest & ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    2 days ago

  • Will politicians let democracy die in the darkness?
    Bryce Edwards writes  – Politicians across the political spectrum are implicated in the New Zealand media’s failing health. Either through neglect or incompetent interventions, successive governments have failed to regulate, foster, and allow a healthy Fourth Estate that can adequately hold politicians and the powerful to account. ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    2 days ago

  • Matt Doocey doubles down on trans “healthcare”
    Citizen Science writes –  Last week saw two significant developments in the debate over the treatment of trans-identifying children and young people – the release in Britain of the final report of Dr Hilary Cass’s review into gender healthcare, and here in New Zealand, the news that the ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    2 days ago

  • A TikTok Prime Minister.
    One night while sleeping in my bed I had a beautiful dreamThat all the people of the world got together on the same wavelengthAnd began helping one anotherNow in this dream, universal love was the theme of the dayPeace and understanding and it happened this wayAfter such an eventful day ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    2 days ago

  • Texas Lessons
    This is a guest post by Oscar Simms who is a housing activist, volunteer for the Coalition for More Homes, and was the Labour Party candidate for Auckland Central at the last election. ...
    Greater AucklandBy Guest Post
    2 days ago

  • Bernard's pick 'n' mix of the news links at 6:06 am
    The top six news links I’ve seen elsewhere in the last 24 hours as of 6:06 am on Wednesday, April 17 are:Must read: Secrecy shrouds which projects might be fast-tracked RNZ Farah HancockScoop: Revealed: Luxon has seven staffers working on social media content - partly paid for by taxpayer Newshub ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago

  • Fighting poverty on the holiday highway
    Turning what Labour called the “holiday highway” into a four-lane expressway from Auckland to Whangarei could bring at least an economic benefit of nearly two billion a year for Northland each year. And it could help bring an end to poverty in one of New Zealand’s most deprived regions. The ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    2 days ago

  • Bernard's six-stack of substacks at 6:26 pm
    Tonight’s six-stack includes: launching his substack with a bunch of his previous documentaries, including this 1992 interview with Dame Whina Cooper. and here crew give climate activists plenty to do, including this call to submit against the Fast Track Approvals bill. writes brilliantly here on his substack ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago

  • At a glance – Is the science settled?
    On February 14, 2023 we announced our Rebuttal Update Project. This included an ask for feedback about the added "At a glance" section in the updated basic rebuttal versions. This weekly blog post series highlights this new section of one of the updated basic rebuttal versions and serves as a ...
    Skeptical Science
    3 days ago

  • Apposite Quotations.
    How Long Is Long Enough? Gaza under Israeli bombardment, July 2014. This posting is exclusive to Bowalley Road. ...
    Bowalley Road
    3 days ago

  • What’s a life worth now?
    You're in the mall when you hear it: some kind of popping sound in the distance, kids with fireworks, maybe. But then a moment of eerie stillness is followed by more of the fireworks sound and there’s also screaming and shrieking and now here come people running for their lives.Does ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    3 days ago

  • Howling at the Moon
    Karl du Fresne writes –  There’s a crisis in the news media and the media are blaming it on everyone except themselves. Culpability is being deflected elsewhere – mainly to the hapless Minister of Communications, Melissa Lee, and the big social media platforms that are accused of hoovering ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago

  • Newshub is Dead.
    I don’t normally send out two newsletters in a day but I figured I’d say something about… the news. If two newsletters is a bit much then maybe just skip one, I don’t want to overload people. Alternatively if you’d be interested in sometimes receiving multiple, smaller updates from me, ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    3 days ago

  • Seymour is chuffed about cutting early-learning red tape – but we hear, too, that Jones has loose...
    Buzz from the Beehive David Seymour and Winston Peters today signalled that at least two ministers of the Crown might be in Wellington today. Seymour (as Associate Minister of Education) announced the removal of more red tape, this time to make it easier for new early learning services to be ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    3 days ago

  • Bryce Edwards: Will politicians let democracy die in the darkness?
    Politicians across the political spectrum are implicated in the New Zealand media’s failing health. Either through neglect or incompetent interventions, successive governments have failed to regulate, foster, and allow a healthy Fourth Estate that can adequately hold politicians and the powerful to account. Our political system is suffering from the ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    3 days ago

  • Was Hawkesby entirely wrong?
    David Farrar  writes –  The Broadcasting Standards Authority ruled: Comments by radio host Kate Hawkesby suggesting Māori and Pacific patients were being prioritised for surgery due to their ethnicity were misleading and discriminatory, the Broadcasting Standards Authority has found. It is a fact such patients are prioritised. ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago

  • PRC shadow looms as the Solomons head for election
    PRC and its proxies in Solomons have been preparing for these elections for a long time. A lot of money, effort and intelligence have gone into ensuring an outcome that won’t compromise Beijing’s plans. Cleo Paskall writes – On April 17th the Solomon Islands, a country of ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago

  • Climate Change: Criminal ecocide
    We are in the middle of a climate crisis. Last year was (again) the hottest year on record. NOAA has just announced another global coral bleaching event. Floods are threatening UK food security. So naturally, Shane Jones wants to make it easier to mine coal: Resources Minister Shane Jones ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago

  • Is saving one minute of a politician's time worth nearly $1 billion?
    Is speeding up the trip to and from Wellington airport by 12 minutes worth spending up more than $10 billion? Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The six news items that stood out to me in the last day to 8:26 am today are:The Lead: Transport Minister Simeon Brown announced ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago

  • Long Tunnel or Long Con?
    Yesterday it was revealed that Transport Minister had asked Waka Kotahi to look at the options for a long tunnel through Wellington. State Highway 1 (SH1) through Wellington City is heavily congested at peak times and while planning continues on the duplicate Mt Victoria Tunnel and Basin Reserve project, the ...
    Greater AucklandBy Matt L
    3 days ago

  • Smoke And Mirrors.
    You're a fraud, and you know itBut it's too good to throw it all awayAnyone would do the sameYou've got 'em goingAnd you're careful not to show itSometimes you even fool yourself a bitIt's like magicBut it's always been a smoke and mirrors gameAnyone would do the sameForty six billion ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    3 days ago

  • What is Mexico doing about climate change?
    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections The June general election in Mexico could mark a turning point in ensuring that the country’s climate policies better reflect the desire of its citizens to address the climate crisis, with both leading presidential candidates expressing support for renewable energy. Mexico is the ...
    Skeptical Science
    3 days ago

  • State of humanity, 2024
    2024, it feels, keeps presenting us with ever more challenges, ever more dismay.Do you give up yet? It seems to ask.No? How about this? Or this?How about this?When I say 2024 I really mean the state of humanity in 2024.Saturday night, we watched Civil War because that is one terrifying cliff we've ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    4 days ago

  • Govt’s Wellington tunnel vision aims to ease the way to the airport (but zealous promoters of cycl...
    Buzz from the Beehive A pet project and governmental tunnel vision jump out from the latest batch of ministerial announcements. The government is keen to assure us of its concern for the wellbeing of our pets. It will be introducing pet bonds in a change to the Residential Tenancies Act ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    4 days ago

  • The case for cultural connectedness
    A recent report generated from a Growing Up in New Zealand (GUiNZ) survey of 1,224 rangatahi Māori aged 11-12 found: Cultural connectedness was associated with fewer depression symptoms, anxiety symptoms and better quality of life. That sounds cut and dry. But further into the report the following appears: Cultural connectedness is ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago

  • Useful context on public sector job cuts
    David Farrar writes –    The Herald reports: From the gory details of job-cuts news, you’d think the public service was being eviscerated.   While the media’s view of the cuts is incomplete, it’s also true that departments have been leaking the particulars faster than a Wellington ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago

  • Gordon Campbell On When Racism Comes Disguised As Anti-racism
    Remember the good old days, back when New Zealand had a PM who could think and speak calmly and intelligently in whole sentences without blustering? Even while Iran’s drones and missiles were still being launched, Helen Clark was live on TVNZ expertly summing up the latest crisis in the Middle ...
    Gordon CampbellBy lyndon
    4 days ago

  • Govt ignored economic analysis of smokefree reversal
    Costello did not pass on analysis of the benefits of the smokefree reforms to Cabinet, emphasising instead the extra tax revenues of repealing them. Photo: Hagen Hopkins, Getty Images TL;DR: The six news items that stood out to me at 7:26 am today are:The Lead: Casey Costello never passed on ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago

  • True Blue.
    True loveYou're the one I'm dreaming ofYour heart fits me like a gloveAnd I'm gonna be true blueBaby, I love youI’ve written about the job cuts in our news media last week. The impact on individuals, and the loss to Aotearoa of voices covering our news from different angles.That by ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    4 days ago

  • Who is running New Zealand’s foreign policy?
    While commentators, including former Prime Minister Helen Clark, are noting a subtle shift in New Zealand’s foreign policy, which now places more emphasis on the United States, many have missed a key element of the shift. What National said before the election is not what the government is doing now. ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    4 days ago

  • 2024 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #15
    A listing of 31 news and opinion articles we found interesting and shared on social media during the past week: Sun, April 7, 2024 thru Sat, April 13, 2024. Story of the week Our story of the week is about adults in the room setting terms and conditions of ...
    Skeptical Science
    5 days ago

  • Feline Friends and Fragile Fauna The Complexities of Cats in New Zealand’s Conservation Efforts

    Cats, with their independent spirit and beguiling purrs, have captured the hearts of humans for millennia. In New Zealand, felines are no exception, boasting the highest national cat ownership rate globally [definition cat nz cat foundation]. An estimated 1.134 million pet cats grace Kiwi households, compared to 683,000 dogs ...

    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    5 days ago

  • Or is that just they want us to think?
    Nice guy, that Peter Williams. Amiable, a calm air of no-nonsense capability, a winning smile. Everything you look for in a TV presenter and newsreader.I used to see him sometimes when I went to TVNZ to be a talking head or a panellist and we would yarn. Nice guy, that ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    5 days ago

  • Fact Brief – Did global warming stop in 1998?
    Skeptical Science is partnering with Gigafact to produce fact briefs — bite-sized fact checks of trending claims. This fact brief was written by Sue Bin Park in collaboration with members from our Skeptical Science team. You can submit claims you think need checking via the tipline. Did global warming stop in ...
    Skeptical Science
    6 days ago

  • Arguing over a moot point.
    I have been following recent debates in the corporate and social media about whether it is a good idea for NZ to join what is known as “AUKUS Pillar Two.” AUKUS is the Australian-UK-US nuclear submarine building agreement in which … Continue reading → ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    6 days ago

  • No Longer Trusted: Ageing Boomers, Laurie & Les, Talk Politics.
    Turning Point: “What has turned me away from the mainstream news media is the very strong message that its been sending out for the last few years.” “And what message might that be?” “That the people who own it, the people who run it, and the people who provide its content, really don’t ...
    Bowalley Road
    6 days ago

  • Mortgage rates at 10% anyone?
    No – nothing about that in PM Luxon’s nine-point plan to improve the lives of New Zealanders. But beyond our shores Jamie Dimon, the long-serving head of global bank J.P. Morgan Chase, reckons that the chances of a goldilocks soft landing for the economy are “a lot lower” than the ...
    Point of OrderBy xtrdnry
    6 days ago

  • Minister releases Fast-track stakeholder list
    The Government is today releasing a list of organisations who received letters about the Fast-track applications process, says RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop. “Recently Ministers and agencies have received a series of OIA requests for a list of organisations to whom I wrote with information on applying to have a ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    16 mins ago

  • Judicial appointments announced
    Attorney-General Judith Collins today announced the appointment of Wellington Barrister David Jonathan Boldt as a Judge of the High Court, and the Honourable Justice Matthew Palmer as a Judge of the Court of Appeal. Justice Boldt graduated with an LLB from Victoria University of Wellington in 1990, and also holds ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    59 mins ago

  • Education Minister heads to major teaching summit in Singapore
    Education Minister Erica Stanford will lead the New Zealand delegation at the 2024 International Summit on the Teaching Profession (ISTP) held in Singapore. The delegation includes representatives from the Post Primary Teachers’ Association (PPTA) Te Wehengarua and the New Zealand Educational Institute (NZEI) Te Riu Roa.  The summit is co-hosted ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 hours ago

  • Value of stopbank project proven during cyclone
    A stopbank upgrade project in Tairawhiti partly funded by the Government has increased flood resilience for around 7000ha of residential and horticultural land so far, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones today attended a dawn service in Gisborne to mark the end of the first stage of the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 hours ago

  • Anzac commemorations, Türkiye relationship focus of visit
    Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters will represent the Government at Anzac Day commemorations on the Gallipoli Peninsula next week and engage with senior representatives of the Turkish government in Istanbul.    “The Gallipoli campaign is a defining event in our history. It will be a privilege to share the occasion ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 hours ago

  • Minister to Europe for OECD meeting, Anzac Day
    Science, Innovation and Technology and Defence Minister Judith Collins will next week attend the OECD Science and Technology Ministerial conference in Paris and Anzac Day commemorations in Belgium. “Science, innovation and technology have a major role to play in rebuilding our economy and achieving better health, environmental and social outcomes ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 hours ago

  • Comprehensive Partnership the goal for NZ and the Philippines
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with the President of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos Jr.  The Prime Minister was accompanied by MP Paulo Garcia, the first Filipino to be elected to a legislature outside the Philippines. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon and President Marcos Jr discussed opportunities to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    16 hours ago

  • Government commits $20m to Westport flood protection
    The Government has announced that $20 million in funding will be made available to Westport to fund much needed flood protection around the town. This measure will significantly improve the resilience of the community, says Local Government Minister Simeon Brown. “The Westport community has already been allocated almost $3 million ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    22 hours ago

  • Taupō takes pole position
    The Government is proud to support the first ever Repco Supercars Championship event in Taupō as up to 70,000 motorsport fans attend the Taupō International Motorsport Park this weekend, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. “Anticipation for the ITM Taupō Super400 is huge, with tickets and accommodation selling out weeks ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    23 hours ago

  • Cost of living support for low-income homeowners
    Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced an increase to the Rates Rebate Scheme, putting money back into the pockets of low-income homeowners.  “The coalition Government is committed to bringing down the cost of living for New Zealanders. That includes targeted support for those Kiwis who are doing things tough, such ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Government backing mussel spat project
    The Coalition Government is investing in a project to boost survival rates of New Zealand mussels and grow the industry, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones has announced. “This project seeks to increase the resilience of our mussels and significantly boost the sector’s productivity,” Mr Jones says. “The project - ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Government focused on getting people into work
    Benefit figures released today underscore the importance of the Government’s plan to rebuild the economy and have 50,000 fewer people on Jobseeker Support, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “Benefit numbers are still significantly higher than when National was last in government, when there was about 70,000 fewer ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Clean energy key driver to reducing emissions
    The Government’s commitment to doubling New Zealand’s renewable energy capacity is backed by new data showing that clean energy has helped the country reach its lowest annual gross emissions since 1999, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. New Zealand’s latest Greenhouse Gas Inventory (1990-2022) published today, shows gross emissions fell ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Earthquake-prone buildings review brought forward
    The Government is bringing the earthquake-prone building review forward, with work to start immediately, and extending the deadline for remediations by four years, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “Our Government is focused on rebuilding the economy. A key part of our plan is to cut red tape that ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Thailand and NZ to agree to Strategic Partnership
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and his Thai counterpart, Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, have today agreed that New Zealand and the Kingdom of Thailand will upgrade the bilateral relationship to a Strategic Partnership by 2026. “New Zealand and Thailand have a lot to offer each other. We have a strong mutual desire to build ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Government consults on extending coastal permits for ports
    RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop and Transport Minister Simeon Brown have today announced the Coalition Government’s intention to extend port coastal permits for a further 20 years, providing port operators with certainty to continue their operations. “The introduction of the Resource Management Act in 1991 required ports to obtain coastal ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Inflation coming down, but more work to do
    Today’s announcement that inflation is down to 4 per cent is encouraging news for Kiwis, but there is more work to be done - underlining the importance of the Government’s plan to get the economy back on track, acting Finance Minister Chris Bishop says. “Inflation is now at 4 per ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • School attendance restored as a priority in health advice
    Refreshed health guidance released today will help parents and schools make informed decisions about whether their child needs to be in school, addressing one of the key issues affecting school attendance, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. In recent years, consistently across all school terms, short-term illness or medical reasons ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Unnecessary bureaucracy cut in oceans sector
    Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is streamlining high-level oceans management while maintaining a focus on supporting the sector’s role in the export-led recovery of the economy. “I am working to realise the untapped potential of our fishing and aquaculture sector. To achieve that we need to be smarter with ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Patterson promoting NZ’s wool sector at International Congress
    Associate Agriculture Minister Mark Patterson is speaking at the International Wool Textile Organisation Congress in Adelaide, promoting New Zealand wool, and outlining the coalition Government’s support for the revitalisation the sector.    "New Zealand’s wool exports reached $400 million in the year to 30 June 2023, and the coalition Government ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • Removing red tape to help early learners thrive
    The Government is making legislative changes to make it easier for new early learning services to be established, and for existing services to operate, Associate Education Minister David Seymour says. The changes involve repealing the network approval provisions that apply when someone wants to establish a new early learning service, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • RMA changes to cut coal mining consent red tape
    Changes to the Resource Management Act will align consenting for coal mining to other forms of mining to reduce barriers that are holding back economic development, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. “The inconsistent treatment of coal mining compared with other extractive activities is burdensome red tape that fails to acknowledge ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • McClay reaffirms strong NZ-China trade relationship
    Trade, Agriculture and Forestry Minister Todd McClay has concluded productive discussions with ministerial counterparts in Beijing today, in support of the New Zealand-China trade and economic relationship. “My meeting with Commerce Minister Wang Wentao reaffirmed the complementary nature of the bilateral trade relationship, with our Free Trade Agreement at its ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • Prime Minister Luxon acknowledges legacy of Singapore Prime Minister Lee
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon today paid tribute to Singapore’s outgoing Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong.   Meeting in Singapore today immediately before Prime Minister Lee announced he was stepping down, Prime Minister Luxon warmly acknowledged his counterpart’s almost twenty years as leader, and the enduring legacy he has left for Singapore and South East ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • PMs Luxon and Lee deepen Singapore-NZ ties
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong. While in Singapore as part of his visit to South East Asia this week, Prime Minister Luxon also met with Singapore President Tharman Shanmugaratnam and will meet with Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong.  During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • Antarctica New Zealand Board appointments
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters has made further appointments to the Board of Antarctica New Zealand as part of a continued effort to ensure the Scott Base Redevelopment project is delivered in a cost-effective and efficient manner.  The Minister has appointed Neville Harris as a new member of the Board. Mr ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • Finance Minister travels to Washington DC
    Finance Minister Nicola Willis will travel to the United States on Tuesday to attend a meeting of the Five Finance Ministers group, with counterparts from Australia, the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom.  “I am looking forward to meeting with our Five Finance partners on how we can work ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • Pet bonds a win/win for renters and landlords
    The coalition Government has today announced purrfect and pawsitive changes to the Residential Tenancies Act to give tenants with pets greater choice when looking for a rental property, says Housing Minister Chris Bishop. “Pets are important members of many Kiwi families. It’s estimated that around 64 per cent of New ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
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