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		<title>By: the boss</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/beyond-parody/comment-page-2/#comment-85981</link>
		<dc:creator>the boss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 22:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey.

This is a great billboard. Who did it?, really cool.

About time someone did something good that works.

What labour doing?

I don&#039;t Vote by the way before people give me the bash bro.

The Boss</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey.</p>
<p>This is a great billboard. Who did it?, really cool.</p>
<p>About time someone did something good that works.</p>
<p>What labour doing?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t Vote by the way before people give me the bash bro.</p>
<p>The Boss</p>
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		<title>By: The Standard 2.01: Roy Morgan shows Left ahead</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/beyond-parody/comment-page-2/#comment-84903</link>
		<dc:creator>The Standard 2.01: Roy Morgan shows Left ahead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 05:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If I were a Nat I&#8217;d be hoping like hell the bigwigs had some sort of killer billboard campaign lined up. Oh, erm, that&#8217;s right&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If I were a Nat I&#8217;d be hoping like hell the bigwigs had some sort of killer billboard campaign lined up. Oh, erm, that&#8217;s right&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/beyond-parody/comment-page-2/#comment-84814</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It&#039;s like when your Dad tries to rap&quot;

No-ones yet mentiond that d4j has a ghetto-esque vibe...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s like when your Dad tries to rap&#8221;</p>
<p>No-ones yet mentiond that d4j has a ghetto-esque vibe&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Williams</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/beyond-parody/comment-page-2/#comment-84768</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In other words, a good old social democratic spend-up. A very expensive one. While promising to rein in government spending. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I doubt it&#039;ll have either a significant impact or cost much; I suspect the take-up will be low frankly and/or it&#039;ll displace existing pathways. This is policy clutter, not clarity.

That said, the economic benefit from getting school-leavers to do additional years of training is significant; an Australian study, in 2005, estimated that by progressively increasing retention rates you can achieve net increases in GNP.

There&#039;s always all sorts of assumptions in this kind of analysis, econometric general equilibrium modeling, but you can play around with these and get different result. The underlying logic is sound. Why Key&#039;s anouncement is clutter however, is because many of these pathways &lt;strong&gt;are already in place&lt;/strong&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;In 2007, 4.9% of all school leavers left school with little or no formal attainment.  This represents a 71% decrease from 2001, when the percentage of all school leavers who left school with little or no formal attainment was 17.0%.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That quote&#039;s from here: http://www.educationcounts.govt.nz/indicators/indicator_page/schooling/753

There&#039;s lots of reasons for this, both to do government initiatives (NCEA, Modern Apprenticeships, Gateway et al) but also increased demand for labour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In other words, a good old social democratic spend-up. A very expensive one. While promising to rein in government spending. </p></blockquote>
<p>I doubt it&#8217;ll have either a significant impact or cost much; I suspect the take-up will be low frankly and/or it&#8217;ll displace existing pathways. This is policy clutter, not clarity.</p>
<p>That said, the economic benefit from getting school-leavers to do additional years of training is significant; an Australian study, in 2005, estimated that by progressively increasing retention rates you can achieve net increases in GNP.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s always all sorts of assumptions in this kind of analysis, econometric general equilibrium modeling, but you can play around with these and get different result. The underlying logic is sound. Why Key&#8217;s anouncement is clutter however, is because many of these pathways <strong>are already in place</strong>.</p>
<blockquote><p>In 2007, 4.9% of all school leavers left school with little or no formal attainment.  This represents a 71% decrease from 2001, when the percentage of all school leavers who left school with little or no formal attainment was 17.0%.</p></blockquote>
<p>That quote&#8217;s from here: <a href="http://www.educationcounts.govt.nz/indicators/indicator_page/schooling/753" rel="nofollow">http://www.educationcounts.govt.nz/indicators/indicator_page/schooling/753</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s lots of reasons for this, both to do government initiatives (NCEA, Modern Apprenticeships, Gateway et al) but also increased demand for labour.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Williams</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/beyond-parody/comment-page-2/#comment-84755</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, what Lew said plus

&lt;blockquote&gt;it is a dog-whistle to the softer underbelly who feel threatened and disenfranchised.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, I agree and if they had some policy the same issues, or any issues really, I&#039;d be less concerned by it but the fact is National are hoping to win government without telling us what they&#039;d do. Tragically, as redlogix said at KBB a while back, much of the media are either unwilling on unable to challenge him.

I don&#039;t disagree that this campaign strategy might work to win the election, but is it a strategy that gives you insight into what they&#039;ll then do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, what Lew said plus</p>
<blockquote><p>it is a dog-whistle to the softer underbelly who feel threatened and disenfranchised.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, I agree and if they had some policy the same issues, or any issues really, I&#8217;d be less concerned by it but the fact is National are hoping to win government without telling us what they&#8217;d do. Tragically, as redlogix said at KBB a while back, much of the media are either unwilling on unable to challenge him.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t disagree that this campaign strategy might work to win the election, but is it a strategy that gives you insight into what they&#8217;ll then do?</p>
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		<title>By: Lew</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/beyond-parody/comment-page-2/#comment-84697</link>
		<dc:creator>Lew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee: &quot;the purpose of the billboard is not to engender a catch-all summary of the political party&#039;s policies, it is a dog-whistle to the softer underbelly who feel threatened and disenfranchised.&quot;

I&#039;m 100% with you here. 

Not so sure about the remainder - looks like a lapse into feeling threatened and disenfranchised on false grounds.

L</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee: &#8220;the purpose of the billboard is not to engender a catch-all summary of the political party&#8217;s policies, it is a dog-whistle to the softer underbelly who feel threatened and disenfranchised.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m 100% with you here. </p>
<p>Not so sure about the remainder &#8211; looks like a lapse into feeling threatened and disenfranchised on false grounds.</p>
<p>L</p>
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		<title>By: Positive, on-message and really, really confusing &#171; Ideologically Impure</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/beyond-parody/comment-page-2/#comment-84693</link>
		<dc:creator>Positive, on-message and really, really confusing &#171; Ideologically Impure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] September 3, 2008 &#183; No Comments  I think I&#8217;ve struck on National&#8217;s super-secret strategy: make their &#8220;message&#8221; so baffling it defies parody. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] September 3, 2008 &middot; No Comments  I think I&#8217;ve struck on National&#8217;s super-secret strategy: make their &#8220;message&#8221; so baffling it defies parody. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: gobsmacked</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/beyond-parody/comment-page-2/#comment-84651</link>
		<dc:creator>gobsmacked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 07:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not the promise of training that is bad. It&#039;s the breathtaking dishonesty of it. 

Here are John Key&#039;s words, launching the billboard today: 

&quot;The policy will provide a &lt;i&gt;universal&lt;/i&gt; educational entitlement for all 16- and 17-year-olds. It will allow them to access, &lt;i&gt;free of charge&lt;/i&gt;, a programme of educational study towards school-level qualifications at approved institutions. 

&quot;This entitlement will be &lt;i&gt;on top of&lt;/i&gt;, not instead of, the education entitlements they have now.

(my italics)

In other words, a good old social democratic spend-up. A very expensive one. While promising to rein in government spending. 

Either National are going to outspend Labour or they are lying. Take your pick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not the promise of training that is bad. It&#8217;s the breathtaking dishonesty of it. </p>
<p>Here are John Key&#8217;s words, launching the billboard today: </p>
<p>&#8220;The policy will provide a <i>universal</i> educational entitlement for all 16- and 17-year-olds. It will allow them to access, <i>free of charge</i>, a programme of educational study towards school-level qualifications at approved institutions. </p>
<p>&#8220;This entitlement will be <i>on top of</i>, not instead of, the education entitlements they have now.</p>
<p>(my italics)</p>
<p>In other words, a good old social democratic spend-up. A very expensive one. While promising to rein in government spending. </p>
<p>Either National are going to outspend Labour or they are lying. Take your pick.</p>
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		<title>By: Principessa</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/beyond-parody/comment-page-2/#comment-84647</link>
		<dc:creator>Principessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 07:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Labour wants to get young people into training i.e modern apprenticeships.

National wants to get young people into boot camp style training.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Labour wants to get young people into training i.e modern apprenticeships.</p>
<p>National wants to get young people into boot camp style training.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Dale</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/beyond-parody/comment-page-2/#comment-84646</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 07:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is wrong with National wanting to get young people into training?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is wrong with National wanting to get young people into training?</p>
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		<title>By: T-Rex</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/beyond-parody/comment-page-2/#comment-84641</link>
		<dc:creator>T-Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 07:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It&#039;s like when your Dad tries to rap.&quot;

Or like when your party leader says &quot;dude&quot; in an assembly hall.

My first impulse is that this is fantastic, one of the lamest branding efforts I&#039;ve seen in a long time (ok, maybe since Labours maildrop following the budget) but on the other side of the coin I get a sharp pang of uncertainty every time I hear someone say &quot;The NZ public is too smart to fall for this&quot;.

Is this the same NZ public that bought into the housing boom hook, line, and sinker? Because that was pretty dumb, and it&#039;s hardly an example in isolation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s like when your Dad tries to rap.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or like when your party leader says &#8220;dude&#8221; in an assembly hall.</p>
<p>My first impulse is that this is fantastic, one of the lamest branding efforts I&#8217;ve seen in a long time (ok, maybe since Labours maildrop following the budget) but on the other side of the coin I get a sharp pang of uncertainty every time I hear someone say &#8220;The NZ public is too smart to fall for this&#8221;.</p>
<p>Is this the same NZ public that bought into the housing boom hook, line, and sinker? Because that was pretty dumb, and it&#8217;s hardly an example in isolation.</p>
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		<title>By: Principessa</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/beyond-parody/comment-page-2/#comment-84637</link>
		<dc:creator>Principessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 07:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just spotted an Air NZ ad on nzherald.co.nz that looks like the same blue too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just spotted an Air NZ ad on nzherald.co.nz that looks like the same blue too.</p>
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		<title>By: illuminatedtiger</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/beyond-parody/comment-page-2/#comment-84635</link>
		<dc:creator>illuminatedtiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 07:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snapped: http://newzblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/dsc00078.jpg

Sorry about the quality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snapped: <a href="http://newzblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/dsc00078.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://newzblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/dsc00078.jpg</a></p>
<p>Sorry about the quality.</p>
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		<title>By: monkey boy</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/beyond-parody/comment-page-2/#comment-84634</link>
		<dc:creator>monkey boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 06:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul - my point is it doesn&#039;t matter what Key would or would not do differently, the purpose of the billboard is not to engender a catch-all summary of the political party&#039;s policies, it is a dog-whistle to the softer underbelly who feel threatened and disenfranchised. i really don;t want to get into another nit-picking session about the s59, I know the history, right back to the moment Clark announced her own intention on the morning after Coral Burrow&#039;s murder that &#039;smackishe would like to outlaw smacking, followed by her &#039;against human nature&#039; statement, and the use of the Party whip to ensure the s.59 amendment would be voted in, not put to a conscience vote.  All of which again, refer back to the out-of-touchness of a party run by ivory-tower academics, who clearly beleive that saying something makes it so, when, in &#039;ther real world&#039; it don&#039;t.  That is the summary of the dogwhistle to shich I referred, and yes, it obviously went over your heads.
You are not taking National&#039;s Billboards seriously, because you are blinded by having it your own way for so long.
sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul &#8211; my point is it doesn&#8217;t matter what Key would or would not do differently, the purpose of the billboard is not to engender a catch-all summary of the political party&#8217;s policies, it is a dog-whistle to the softer underbelly who feel threatened and disenfranchised. i really don;t want to get into another nit-picking session about the s59, I know the history, right back to the moment Clark announced her own intention on the morning after Coral Burrow&#8217;s murder that &#8216;smackishe would like to outlaw smacking, followed by her &#8216;against human nature&#8217; statement, and the use of the Party whip to ensure the s.59 amendment would be voted in, not put to a conscience vote.  All of which again, refer back to the out-of-touchness of a party run by ivory-tower academics, who clearly beleive that saying something makes it so, when, in &#8216;ther real world&#8217; it don&#8217;t.  That is the summary of the dogwhistle to shich I referred, and yes, it obviously went over your heads.<br />
You are not taking National&#8217;s Billboards seriously, because you are blinded by having it your own way for so long.<br />
sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Principessa</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/beyond-parody/comment-page-2/#comment-84633</link>
		<dc:creator>Principessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 06:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catching the bus to town this avo I spotted the aeroplane one, except you couldn&#039;t make out the aeroplane pattern at all because the sun was shining on it so it just looked like a light blue (Act party blue???) billboard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catching the bus to town this avo I spotted the aeroplane one, except you couldn&#8217;t make out the aeroplane pattern at all because the sun was shining on it so it just looked like a light blue (Act party blue???) billboard.</p>
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