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		<title>By: Draco T Bastard</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/biz-nz-opposes-minimum-wage-increase/comment-page-1/#comment-114812</link>
		<dc:creator>Draco T Bastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;No tax cuts will mean working NewZealanders will soon have some of their own money back.&lt;/em&gt;

They just won&#039;t have any of the government services and infrastructure needed to do business and will, therefore, be a hell of a lot worse off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>No tax cuts will mean working NewZealanders will soon have some of their own money back.</em></p>
<p>They just won&#8217;t have any of the government services and infrastructure needed to do business and will, therefore, be a hell of a lot worse off.</p>
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		<title>By: SBlount</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/biz-nz-opposes-minimum-wage-increase/comment-page-1/#comment-114806</link>
		<dc:creator>SBlount</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 06:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2) tax revenue pays for the social wage  healthcare, education etc; tax cuts mean cutting the social wage, or higher debt paid for in the future. If you have to spend your tax cut paying for services that used to be paid for from tax revenue, you&#039;re not any better off.


Yes, you are. $1 given to the government does not result in $1 of social spending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2) tax revenue pays for the social wage  healthcare, education etc; tax cuts mean cutting the social wage, or higher debt paid for in the future. If you have to spend your tax cut paying for services that used to be paid for from tax revenue, you&#8217;re not any better off.</p>
<p>Yes, you are. $1 given to the government does not result in $1 of social spending.</p>
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		<title>By: northpaw</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/biz-nz-opposes-minimum-wage-increase/comment-page-1/#comment-114801</link>
		<dc:creator>northpaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 05:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter Johns,

Even allowing for your so-stated circumstances allow me an honest answer to this serious question â€” is your remuneration fair?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Johns,</p>
<p>Even allowing for your so-stated circumstances allow me an honest answer to this serious question â€” is your remuneration fair?</p>
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		<title>By: Brett  Dale</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/biz-nz-opposes-minimum-wage-increase/comment-page-1/#comment-114792</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett  Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 04:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve:

Thanks for setting me straight about the ways of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve:</p>
<p>Thanks for setting me straight about the ways of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Pierson</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/biz-nz-opposes-minimum-wage-increase/comment-page-1/#comment-114773</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Pierson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett. the Green&#039;s proposal is on second homes only. So, it wouldn&#039;t apply in the situation you describe.

Also, in the situation you discribe, the couple are carrying out a business under current law - the purchase price of the house and the expenses they incur doing up the home are tax deductible costs and anything they make from the sale is a taxable profit. captial tax would not apply, because the house, in this instance, is not a capital asset for the business.

Honestly, Brett, get more informed. Your examples nearly always illustrate an underlying ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett. the Green&#8217;s proposal is on second homes only. So, it wouldn&#8217;t apply in the situation you describe.</p>
<p>Also, in the situation you discribe, the couple are carrying out a business under current law &#8211; the purchase price of the house and the expenses they incur doing up the home are tax deductible costs and anything they make from the sale is a taxable profit. captial tax would not apply, because the house, in this instance, is not a capital asset for the business.</p>
<p>Honestly, Brett, get more informed. Your examples nearly always illustrate an underlying ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: vto</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/biz-nz-opposes-minimum-wage-increase/comment-page-1/#comment-114770</link>
		<dc:creator>vto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the biggest rort in NZ ???

Those who buy property for the capital gain profit but pretend to the IRD they are buying it for the income. Makes me bloody laugh. Especially when said folk complain about other tax cheats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the biggest rort in NZ ???</p>
<p>Those who buy property for the capital gain profit but pretend to the IRD they are buying it for the income. Makes me bloody laugh. Especially when said folk complain about other tax cheats.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett  Dale</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/biz-nz-opposes-minimum-wage-increase/comment-page-1/#comment-114765</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett  Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So am I right in saying that for example a young couple wanted to buy a run down shack, apiece of crap really, and then spend 24/7 doing it up, on their own sweat and tears, then selling it for a profit, the Green&#039;s want to tax them, because they think that is bad.

Hard work should be rewarded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So am I right in saying that for example a young couple wanted to buy a run down shack, apiece of crap really, and then spend 24/7 doing it up, on their own sweat and tears, then selling it for a profit, the Green&#8217;s want to tax them, because they think that is bad.</p>
<p>Hard work should be rewarded.</p>
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		<title>By: vto</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/biz-nz-opposes-minimum-wage-increase/comment-page-1/#comment-114746</link>
		<dc:creator>vto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes mr toad i realise part of that. was being a bit of a sausage. but the greens do come across as seeing taxing things as some sort of a solution to everything. and i have no problem with a capital gains tax, but i fear the chardonnay socialists would oppose such a move more than anyone...

captcha: business saying. ha ha - i&#039;m sure there is a little person sitting somewhere making these up depending on the subject matter,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes mr toad i realise part of that. was being a bit of a sausage. but the greens do come across as seeing taxing things as some sort of a solution to everything. and i have no problem with a capital gains tax, but i fear the chardonnay socialists would oppose such a move more than anyone&#8230;</p>
<p>captcha: business saying. ha ha &#8211; i&#8217;m sure there is a little person sitting somewhere making these up depending on the subject matter,</p>
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		<title>By: higherstandard</title>
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		<dc:creator>higherstandard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VTO

I tend to get sick of the tax debate at times........ tinkering around the edges with tax increases and decreases only serves to get people frothing over very little indeed - most of the time it&#039;s just politicians playing games. The only thing one can usually expect is that whomever has control of the treasurey benches will be giving with one hand while taking with the other.

Toad

I agree with the Greens on the Capital Gains Tax issue but I doubt any of the major parties have the gumption or lack of self interest to go there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VTO</p>
<p>I tend to get sick of the tax debate at times&#8230;&#8230;.. tinkering around the edges with tax increases and decreases only serves to get people frothing over very little indeed &#8211; most of the time it&#8217;s just politicians playing games. The only thing one can usually expect is that whomever has control of the treasurey benches will be giving with one hand while taking with the other.</p>
<p>Toad</p>
<p>I agree with the Greens on the Capital Gains Tax issue but I doubt any of the major parties have the gumption or lack of self interest to go there.</p>
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		<title>By: toad</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/biz-nz-opposes-minimum-wage-increase/comment-page-1/#comment-114740</link>
		<dc:creator>toad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vto, the Greens do not support tax increases.  The Greens support tax shifting, which involves taxing things like employment and enterprise less, while taxing things like waste, pollution and property speculation more (or at least starting to taxing them).

BTW, have you seen the statement from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/capital-gains-tax-would-help-housing-affordability-39893&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Manufacturers and Exporters Assn&lt;/a&gt; advocating a capital gains tax, which would be a componenent of the Greens tax shifting policy?  Seems that at least some business interests agree with the Greens on some economic issues after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vto, the Greens do not support tax increases.  The Greens support tax shifting, which involves taxing things like employment and enterprise less, while taxing things like waste, pollution and property speculation more (or at least starting to taxing them).</p>
<p>BTW, have you seen the statement from the <a href="http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/capital-gains-tax-would-help-housing-affordability-39893" rel="nofollow">Manufacturers and Exporters Assn</a> advocating a capital gains tax, which would be a componenent of the Greens tax shifting policy?  Seems that at least some business interests agree with the Greens on some economic issues after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/biz-nz-opposes-minimum-wage-increase/comment-page-1/#comment-114739</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually BLiP, I do not understand any of it.

So, BLiP, a tax cut is a subsidy to business and social welfare payments are subsidies to business?

Am I right in guessing that you also consider payments to business for goods and services subsidies as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually BLiP, I do not understand any of it.</p>
<p>So, BLiP, a tax cut is a subsidy to business and social welfare payments are subsidies to business?</p>
<p>Am I right in guessing that you also consider payments to business for goods and services subsidies as well?</p>
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		<title>By: vto</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/biz-nz-opposes-minimum-wage-increase/comment-page-1/#comment-114738</link>
		<dc:creator>vto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ha ha HS, well done. Tax increases are always cited by the left (esp. the greens) as a solution to everything, so, as you say, why not tax cuts? Bwilliant!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ha ha HS, well done. Tax increases are always cited by the left (esp. the greens) as a solution to everything, so, as you say, why not tax cuts? Bwilliant!</p>
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		<title>By: BLiP</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/biz-nz-opposes-minimum-wage-increase/comment-page-1/#comment-114737</link>
		<dc:creator>BLiP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BD said :

&quot; . . . Tax cuts arent a subsidy to business?????? . . . &quot;

In that case, perhaps you can explain why the Employers &amp; Manufacturers (Northern) Chiief Excutive said:  &quot;National&#039;s bigger tax cuts would also put more earnings back in the hands of the private sector.&#039;

Just like the accommodation supplement, family tax credit, and child care subsidy assist employers to sleep at night, so too are measly little unwanted tax cuts business susbidies.

What part of that don&#039;t you uinderstand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BD said :</p>
<p>&#8221; . . . Tax cuts arent a subsidy to business?????? . . . &#8221;</p>
<p>In that case, perhaps you can explain why the Employers &amp; Manufacturers (Northern) Chiief Excutive said:  &#8220;National&#8217;s bigger tax cuts would also put more earnings back in the hands of the private sector.&#8217;</p>
<p>Just like the accommodation supplement, family tax credit, and child care subsidy assist employers to sleep at night, so too are measly little unwanted tax cuts business susbidies.</p>
<p>What part of that don&#8217;t you uinderstand?</p>
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		<title>By: higherstandard</title>
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		<dc:creator>higherstandard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My god, tax cuts will soon be cited as the solution to global warming, cancer and summer TV reruns &quot;

Well why not tax increases were cited as the solution to global warming, why not vice versa ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My god, tax cuts will soon be cited as the solution to global warming, cancer and summer TV reruns &#8221;</p>
<p>Well why not tax increases were cited as the solution to global warming, why not vice versa ?</p>
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		<title>By: Brett  Dale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett  Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tigger:

No tax cuts will mean working NewZealanders will soon have some of their own money back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tigger:</p>
<p>No tax cuts will mean working NewZealanders will soon have some of their own money back.</p>
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