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	<title>Comments on: Bluehost have been a pain, but it is all over now.</title>
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	<description>The New Zealand labour movement used to have its own newspaper. A group of us thought that now might be a good time for it to be digitally reborn: The Standard v2.0 - now in a new format The Standard v3.0</description>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/bluehost-have-been-a-pain-but-it-is-all-over-now/comment-page-1/#comment-143730</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was relevant, If there weren&#039;t litigatous fuckwits like Crosby-Textor around the local political sphere, then we&#039;d just dig out some local sponsorship for the servers. 

However the hardware sponsors would be the first target for anyone wanting to use the courts to silence opposition websites. Just as they have tried with Media7 (read the link)

It isn&#039;t purely a technical issue. 

Anyway, I think you have the wrong name - should be Noddy. Ummm now it is........ everywhere through the site. Generally it does pay to annoy a tired sysop :twisted:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was relevant, If there weren&#8217;t litigatous fuckwits like Crosby-Textor around the local political sphere, then we&#8217;d just dig out some local sponsorship for the servers. </p>
<p>However the hardware sponsors would be the first target for anyone wanting to use the courts to silence opposition websites. Just as they have tried with Media7 (read the link)</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t purely a technical issue. </p>
<p>Anyway, I think you have the wrong name &#8211; should be Noddy. Ummm now it is&#8230;&#8230;.. everywhere through the site. Generally it does pay to annoy a tired sysop <img src='http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif' alt=':twisted:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/bluehost-have-been-a-pain-but-it-is-all-over-now/comment-page-1/#comment-143729</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have fun. Wordpress is great - lots of flex.

The problem in this site is that we get a hell of a lot of comments on a lot of posts. Therefore a lot of page views by both readers coming in from the searches and by the various search bugs. 

The front page isn&#039;t too much of a hassle despite the updates from comment counts. It gets the majority of views, but caches reasonably easily. The speed that comments are added isn&#039;t a real hassle.

The pages getting commented on was why I put a time limit of about a month  on leaving comments on the posts at the end of last year. That immediately reduced the load because those could be reported to the search engines as essentially being static.

However the search engines are all over any page that has comments being updated. I think that googlebot is the most assidous readers of this site. There are a proliferating number of bot&#039;s. They kind of provide a background noise for the whole site (but we ignore them for reporting) which is why our page views are down compared to some sites. We encourage it by having a sitemap plugin that actively tells a number of search engines about what areas are &#039;hot&#039;.

However I think I&#039;ll have to start discouraging anyone who isn&#039;t a major SE.

Then of course there are the RSS and Feedcatchers, etc. They are restricted to the last 15 posts..

Anyway, the point is that the actual commentators aren&#039;t actually the real issue. It all those observing them.... :twisted:

Boots the traffic up pretty damn high as a base load. Looks to me like we&#039;re going to have to look at some kind of dedicated systems shortly. That means it will move from the kind of penny-pinching that we&#039;ve run it on to date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have fun. WordPress is great &#8211; lots of flex.</p>
<p>The problem in this site is that we get a hell of a lot of comments on a lot of posts. Therefore a lot of page views by both readers coming in from the searches and by the various search bugs. </p>
<p>The front page isn&#8217;t too much of a hassle despite the updates from comment counts. It gets the majority of views, but caches reasonably easily. The speed that comments are added isn&#8217;t a real hassle.</p>
<p>The pages getting commented on was why I put a time limit of about a month  on leaving comments on the posts at the end of last year. That immediately reduced the load because those could be reported to the search engines as essentially being static.</p>
<p>However the search engines are all over any page that has comments being updated. I think that googlebot is the most assidous readers of this site. There are a proliferating number of bot&#8217;s. They kind of provide a background noise for the whole site (but we ignore them for reporting) which is why our page views are down compared to some sites. We encourage it by having a sitemap plugin that actively tells a number of search engines about what areas are &#8216;hot&#8217;.</p>
<p>However I think I&#8217;ll have to start discouraging anyone who isn&#8217;t a major SE.</p>
<p>Then of course there are the RSS and Feedcatchers, etc. They are restricted to the last 15 posts..</p>
<p>Anyway, the point is that the actual commentators aren&#8217;t actually the real issue. It all those observing them&#8230;. <img src='http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif' alt=':twisted:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Boots the traffic up pretty damn high as a base load. Looks to me like we&#8217;re going to have to look at some kind of dedicated systems shortly. That means it will move from the kind of penny-pinching that we&#8217;ve run it on to date.</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/bluehost-have-been-a-pain-but-it-is-all-over-now/comment-page-1/#comment-143727</link>
		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, her attention to detail can be staggering :) 

I wasn&#039;t raising it as a user bug as such, just thought it might be a (small) waste of your data and/or cpu cycles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, her attention to detail can be staggering <img src='http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t raising it as a user bug as such, just thought it might be a (small) waste of your data and/or cpu cycles.</p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/bluehost-have-been-a-pain-but-it-is-all-over-now/comment-page-1/#comment-143725</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll add it to the buglist (Anita keeps updating it). But not tonight...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll add it to the buglist (Anita keeps updating it). But not tonight&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Noddy (used to be Dr.No)</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/bluehost-have-been-a-pain-but-it-is-all-over-now/comment-page-1/#comment-143717</link>
		<dc:creator>Noddy (used to be Dr.No)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Classic. Full marks for introducing Crosby Textor references to an issue that is simply about your inability to manage a website. You guys crack me up sometimes...

&lt;b&gt;IrishBill: And that&#039;s you on your first warning. Troll again and I&#039;ll ban you for as long as I feel is suitable.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Classic. Full marks for introducing Crosby Textor references to an issue that is simply about your inability to manage a website. You guys crack me up sometimes&#8230;</p>
<p><b>IrishBill: And that&#8217;s you on your first warning. Troll again and I&#8217;ll ban you for as long as I feel is suitable.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Madeleine</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/bluehost-have-been-a-pain-but-it-is-all-over-now/comment-page-1/#comment-143715</link>
		<dc:creator>Madeleine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 05:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad you are back - I did wonder what was going on. 

Sounds like you need to keep searching for another host though.

I hate coding nightmares like that though - I really felt for you reading through it all. Our comments feed died just over a months ago and I have gone around in circles trying to solve the issue staying awake for hours and wasting time trying to get answers out of Blogger. I have now officially given up and we are going to be migrating ourselves to a hosted Wordpress platform as a result - thankfully we have been donated free hosting so we shouldn&#039;t have your issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you are back &#8211; I did wonder what was going on. </p>
<p>Sounds like you need to keep searching for another host though.</p>
<p>I hate coding nightmares like that though &#8211; I really felt for you reading through it all. Our comments feed died just over a months ago and I have gone around in circles trying to solve the issue staying awake for hours and wasting time trying to get answers out of Blogger. I have now officially given up and we are going to be migrating ourselves to a hosted WordPress platform as a result &#8211; thankfully we have been donated free hosting so we shouldn&#8217;t have your issues.</p>
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		<title>By: George Darroch</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/bluehost-have-been-a-pain-but-it-is-all-over-now/comment-page-1/#comment-143687</link>
		<dc:creator>George Darroch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 04:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bluehost have a worsening reputation for doing things like this. They&#039;re also likely to pull your site at the first sign of a cease and desist letter, or any such legalese. See &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2009/02/13/bluehost-censors-zimbabwean-bloggers/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this example&lt;/a&gt; regarding Zimbabwe blogs

I&#039;m glad you&#039;re away from them, and wish you trouble-free hosting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bluehost have a worsening reputation for doing things like this. They&#8217;re also likely to pull your site at the first sign of a cease and desist letter, or any such legalese. See <a href="http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2009/02/13/bluehost-censors-zimbabwean-bloggers/" rel="nofollow">this example</a> regarding Zimbabwe blogs</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re away from them, and wish you trouble-free hosting!</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/bluehost-have-been-a-pain-but-it-is-all-over-now/comment-page-1/#comment-143679</link>
		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Lynn, just noticed that when I click a &quot;recent comment&quot; link to a comment on the currently loaded page, the whole page reloads instead of just jumping to the comment as it used to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Lynn, just noticed that when I click a &#8220;recent comment&#8221; link to a comment on the currently loaded page, the whole page reloads instead of just jumping to the comment as it used to.</p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/bluehost-have-been-a-pain-but-it-is-all-over-now/comment-page-1/#comment-143675</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyn dragged me out of bed after I had about 3 and a bit hours. I usually only sleep for 5 or 6 hours anyway. However this site is seriously cutting into the reading I promised myself after the by-election</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyn dragged me out of bed after I had about 3 and a bit hours. I usually only sleep for 5 or 6 hours anyway. However this site is seriously cutting into the reading I promised myself after the by-election</p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/bluehost-have-been-a-pain-but-it-is-all-over-now/comment-page-1/#comment-143666</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bit more tweaking to do. I managed to stop the services when I logged in on the web console. Guess I&#039;d better play with that later. Besides I can do everything ssh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bit more tweaking to do. I managed to stop the services when I logged in on the web console. Guess I&#8217;d better play with that later. Besides I can do everything ssh</p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/bluehost-have-been-a-pain-but-it-is-all-over-now/comment-page-1/#comment-143664</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does. Most of the 3000 odd posts and 100k comments aren&#039;t accessed except by search-bots and people finding results off them. The bulk goes on 30 posts at the front and the thousand or so comments on those.

However generating pages is a big exercise on a site that keeps having comments and posts added.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does. Most of the 3000 odd posts and 100k comments aren&#8217;t accessed except by search-bots and people finding results off them. The bulk goes on 30 posts at the front and the thousand or so comments on those.</p>
<p>However generating pages is a big exercise on a site that keeps having comments and posts added.</p>
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		<title>By: The Baron</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/bluehost-have-been-a-pain-but-it-is-all-over-now/comment-page-1/#comment-143661</link>
		<dc:creator>The Baron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, good luck - substantially improved over the last couple of hours. 

Was hanging on the blackberry and on desktop +firefox, now almost back to normal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, good luck &#8211; substantially improved over the last couple of hours. </p>
<p>Was hanging on the blackberry and on desktop +firefox, now almost back to normal.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris S</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/bluehost-have-been-a-pain-but-it-is-all-over-now/comment-page-1/#comment-143650</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the relatively small amount of data used by a blog, the database can keep most of it cached in RAM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the relatively small amount of data used by a blog, the database can keep most of it cached in RAM.</p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/bluehost-have-been-a-pain-but-it-is-all-over-now/comment-page-1/#comment-143649</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure is. Monkeys doing things by rote. Pleasant, but had no idea what I was asking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure is. Monkeys doing things by rote. Pleasant, but had no idea what I was asking about.</p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/bluehost-have-been-a-pain-but-it-is-all-over-now/comment-page-1/#comment-143638</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will do.</p>
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