web analytics
The Standard
Advertising

Boot camps – Key doesn’t know best

Written By: - Date published: 7:15 am, December 17th, 2012 - 106 comments
Categories: crime, john key - Tags: , ,

One of the defining characteristics of this government is their arrogant “we know best” attitude. Forcing through national standards against all advice. Ignoring environmental warnings and attacking the scientists that raise them. Likewise with a certain journalist and Afghanistan. Trampling local democracy in Canterbury in case elections deliver the “wrong” result. On these and many other matters John Key prefers to “advise himself” rather than listen to the facts.

Trouble is he’s getting advice from an ideologically blinkered idiot.

Take boot camps. If I might be permitted to plagiarise myself, recall that boot camps were the central plank of the Nats’ “Youth Plan”. Key told us that they would “fight a growing youth crime wave and ensure young people get into education or training” and “defuse these unexploded human time-bombs”. Key was warned (and warned and warned and warned) that boot camps don’t work. But the Nats were determined to carry on regardless. Even when roundly “booed” by his audience Key plaintively insisted that “they actually do work”.

Well, actually, no they don’t. Further confirmation last weekend:

‘Boot camps’ criticised over high re-offending

The Government’s so-called “boot camps” for young offenders are copping criticism following news nearly two-thirds of graduates surveyed broke the law again within six months. At $18,000 a head, the question is now being asked, was it money well-spent?

It’s been five years since John Key campaigned on the scheme – good old-fashioned army discipline to sort out New Zealand’s worst young criminals. But Kim Workman, director of Rethinking Crime and Punishment, says it was never going to be a success.
“I think the problem was that it was pronounced as a silver bullet, but was devoid of gunpowder,” he says. …

“Within two years of release you would expect the numbers to go up to between 85 and 90 percent, which is about the sort of rate you’d expect if you did nothing at all. So it’s a disappointing result.”

Key was wrong about boot camps. He’s wrong about education, the environment, the democratic rights of Canterbury, the miraculous power of cycleways, the economy, New Zealand’s international obligations on climate change, and much more besides. Every year in office this arrogant government does yet more damage.

106 comments on “Boot camps – Key doesn’t know best”

  1. higherstandard 2

    Shorter r0b

    ‘I hate Key wah wah wah’

    Take a break away from the blog and put your feet up with the family.

    • infused 2.1

      Pretty much.
      There is no point to the post, it’s just a rant.

      • felixviper 2.1.1

        Umless you actually read it of course.
         
        If you did, you’d have noticed that it’s about yet another one of Key’s pet no-evidence projects turning out to be yet another massive waste of time and money for no result.
         
        Just like we all said it would all along. I might have to go back and find out what you and hs were saying back then…

        • higherstandard 2.1.1.1

          Retroactive stalker tr0lls should get a life.

          • felixviper 2.1.1.1.1

            There’s not a hint of irony in your last two comments, is there hs?

            • higherstandard 2.1.1.1.1.1

              Perhaps a bit of tungsteny.

              • felixviper

                Lead.

                • higherstandard

                  Boron

                  • NoseViper (The Nose knows)

                    Clever riposte.   At least you RWNJs have been good for a laugh this morning.   Thanks.

                    • higherstandard

                      What is a RWNJ ?

                    • TheContrarian

                      I believe it stands for Right Wing Nut Job but applies broadly to ‘anyone who disagrees with me’.

                    • higherstandard

                      Indeed the same kind of bizarre invective you get on most blogs – a bit like wee Draco’s ‘there’s no one to the left of me and everyone to the right of me is a rabid rightwinger.’
                       

                    • felixviper

                      Err no, Contrarian, it applies to right wing nut jobs.
                       
                      You, for example, often disagree with me but you’re not a rwnj you’re just frequently wrong about things ;)
                       
                      higherstandard isn’t a rwnj either, he’s a sensible apolitical disinterested party who pretends to be a doctor because he thinks it gives his common sense views more weight (it hasn’t worked yet). His views, totally by chance, just happen to match almost perfectly with everything John Key says but he regularly assures me that’s entirely coincidental.

                    • higherstandard

                      Really ?

                      Does John Key regularly call Parata and his other ministers buffoons and troughers and support higher taxes?

                      More importantly does putting smiley faces in comments signify that one is not actually desperately trolling and smearing in the hope of a bit of internet bif ?

                      And regarding who I am – it’s not hard to find out my actual identitiy I did actually post under my own name for a bit back just after i started my own trolling at this site do some more stalking you’ve clearly got too much spare time on your hands today.
                       

                    • felixviper

                      lol hs.
                       
                      Sorry mate, you don’t get to be proud of your trooling and simultaneously expect to be taken seriously in any way.
                       
                       

                    • higherstandard

                      Why not ? You seem to have your own little club of sychophants that lurve your trooling and general gadabout lying all over the internet.

                    • felixviper

                      Not trooling, not lying. And no club, just a humble cynic who’s sick of tory fuckwits like you.

                    • higherstandard

                      You’re a well known liar and troll Felix.

                    • felixviper

                      Sure I am doc.

                    • higherstandard

                      Well done.
                      Coming to terms with you internet illness is the first step along the road to recovery.

        • David Viperious H 2.1.1.2

          I read it and it is a an informative list of failures from the Currency Trader.  Because thats all he is, he has not got a fucking clue on how to run a country, he only knows how to divert great amounts of other peoples money into his, and his mates pockets. 
           
          HS and Infused.  If you think it’s so much bullshit, go and write your own columns, instead of crying like little fucking girls, everytime you don’t like what you read. Cue crying.

          • Raa 2.1.1.2.1

            It’s a sad commentary on the depth of talent in the ‘national’ party which does not reflect the diverse history of this country.  It reflects the views of the current financial backers of the ‘national’ party formed by the  “greed is good” ethos of the dot.com mania and other bubbles deliberately generated by the low interest rate, easy money, policies of Greenspan and his successors in which Key thrived. Give him some credit – he had enough self-awareness to get out while he was ahead – but is that a basis on which to develop a small economy with long term, property-related, debt proportionally rivalling that of Greece ? The mantra is ‘austerity’, hence Collins with Thatcherian pretensions is wheeled out to manage decline .. on their terms. The image of a lifeboat economy in the South Pacific for the Wall St elite must be very seductive when desperate people a few suburbs away discover they cannot return to the life they lived before Cyclone Sandy.  
             
             

      • karol 2.1.2

        So, the evidence that the boot camps aren’t working are wrong?  Do you have evidence that they are working.
         
        So you aren’t interested in the fact that key’s government has been spending money on policies and initiatives that are not successful?  And you don’t think it’s a problem that in a recession they aren’t doing anything that’s helping?
         

        Key was wrong about boot camps. He’s wrong about education, the environment, the democratic rights of Canterbury, the miraculous power of cycleways, the economy, New Zealand’s international obligations on climate change, and much more besides. Every year in office this arrogant government does yet more damage.

        Do you have any evidence or reasons for saying this is not the way it is?  Or doesn’t it matter to you that Key fiddles while the country goes down the gurgler?
         
        PS: Thanks Lynn, blockquote button now seems to be working on Chrome.

        • Tracey 2.1.2.1

          Why would Nat supporters require evidence of anything? They continue to support a man who “misspeaks” quite regularly about facts/truth and a man who likes reports if they support him and won’t read them if they don’t. It makes sense that his supporters won’t be interested in evidence or truth or things that actually work, otherwise they wouldn’t be supporters any longer. It’s ok to have believed him in 2008, but to have continued to believe him and vote for him in 2011 and to (even if we forgive 2011) continue that support now beggars belief.

          I wonder if it is because human nature being what it is people would rather look like idiots than admit they are wrong. And that comment is aimed across the political spectrum not just at Nat supporters. Many who supported the previous government defended the indefensible because it was “their lot”.

          It takes courage to change your belief or admit you were wrong about something. When it comes to politics very few have that kind of courage.

          ” A biased mind, which never sees the complete picture, cannot grasp the reality. And any action that results from such a state of mind will not be in tune with reality. As such it causes a lot of problems.” – D Lama

          • Draco T Bastard 2.1.2.1.1

            I wonder if it is because human nature being what it is people would rather look like idiots than admit they are wrong.

            The Authoritarians
            It’s the nature of authoritarian type people to always support their leaders no matter what.

          • Dr Terry 2.1.2.1.2

            Many Key supporters are desperately clinging to his coattails in the hope that eventually he will save their bacon, and even the problems of the country. They only have to give him “long enough”, the question is “how long is too long?”

        • Colonic Wiper 2.1.2.2

          Ok, lets go back to just locking them and forgetting about them. Nothing to learn here at all, its all wrong etc. etc . etc.

          • felixviper 2.1.2.2.1

            Yes, it is all wrong.
             
            That’s what all the available facts demonstrate, and always did.
             
            Sorry to disappoint.

            • Colonic Wiper 2.1.2.2.1.1

              What available facts Felix as usual, there is plenty of supporting evidence on how good discipline , structure, outdoor pursuits linked with good mentoring can turn lives around.

              Outward bound for years has put through a number of young offenders through their programme, and yes they come out pretty fit as well.

              What is your approach for these offenders Felix.

              • karol

                I noticed some reports suggested that the government was considering adding post-boot camp mentoring to the programme.  I would have thought such individualised mentoring would have been the main plank of any approach.  Not all people will respond to the boot camps regime in the same way.  Better to find some positive initiatives that suit each person.

                • McFliper

                  ISTR that when boot camps were initially raised it was pointed out that the few programmes that were anything other than dismal failures recidivism-wise all included extensive counselling and supervision after the “boot camp”.
                       
                  Once again the damned tories took the punitive parts of an idea and ran with them, while dropping the “pc gone mad” ingredients that actually made the concept work.

              • Draco T Bastard

                And yet the MAC program is failing dismally.

              • One Tāne Viper

                Evidence. Perhaps Colonic Wiper was too busy wiping to do a simple Google search. Or perhaps incapable of even that basic task.
                 
                Some context:
                 
                NZ prison recidivism rate ≈ 50%
                National Party la-la land bullshit camps recidivism rate ≈ 60%
                Norway prison recidivism rate ≈ 20%
                 
                The National Party and its parrots aren’t interested in doing what works: they just want their sick vengeance fantasies fulfilled.
                 
                 

                • Colonic Wiper

                  I don’t think you are interested in what works either One as long as your party is in power.

                  • One Tāne Viper

                    I was interested enough in what works to go and find out some of the facts around the issue, to learn a bit about Te Hurihanga for example.

                    I expect you will ignore this evidence and cling to your bias like a security blankie.

                    PS: My Party? Who I vote for is yet another thing you know less than fuck-all about.

              • felixviper

                Hi Colonic Wiper,
                 
                It’s nice that you think boot camps are a good idea. Unfortunately they don’t work, as this clusterfuck of a National Govt has just proven.
                 
                Unless the plan was to increase the reoffending rate, the plan has failed.
                 
                 

                • One Tāne Viper

                  “…increase the reoffending rate…”
                   
                  Wiper doesn’t care about the extra crime that results so long as the vengeance fantasies get fulfilled. What a low-life.

              • Dr Terry

                Outward Bound’s “raison d’etre” is NOT to fix young offenders, I wonder if you ever heard of a single one? You are very good at sliding off the point.

                • felixviper

                  I don’t think he’s particularly good at it. Just very keen on trying it.

                  • Colonic Wiper

                    pfffft,   some more tough man bully comments from a bunch of lightweights.  what vengence fantasies are these dimwit. And so Dr tell me more about Outward Bound?
                     
                     

                  • felixviper

                    Is National planning to ditch their disasterous experiment with boot camps and send young offenders to Outward Bound instead?
                     
                    No?
                     
                    Then what the fuck are you on about?

          • Draco T Bastard 2.1.2.2.2

            No, we’ve learned a lot. We’ve learned that good rehabilitation works and that the delusional policies of National don’t. Thing is, we learned that before National got voted into power in 2008.

    • ak 2.2

      Shorter liarstandard

      I love you scum

  2. vto 3

    This government and its disciples have also been proved wrong around the whole philosophy of free enterprise, for example self-regulation of the mining safety sector. It doesn’t work. Yet they continue down the route of self-regulation of the heavy trucking safety sector. Dumbos. Dangerous dumbos.

  3. Tracey 4

    How many (percentage is fine) of them went straight from Boot Camp to a job?

    • David Viperious H 4.1

      Not as many that went back into crime, with a whole new set of skills, and fitness to run from the cops.

      P.S Lynn Sometimes I get a whole editor sometimes i get a blank page that I have to click a couple of times to get the typing started I am using FF17.01

      • Tracey 4.1.1

        That’s why I am wondering if the programme would have been more effective as “discipline and physical activity + a job? Perhaps they can alter the plan to add that tot he mix?

        • One Tāne Viper 4.1.1.1

          What jobs? 
           
          The National Party creates the conditions under which crime flourishes (deregulation, underfunding, John Banks) and then complains about the inevitable response.

          • felixviper 4.1.1.1.1

            Good question.
             
            This government, by its own monotonously regular admission, can not create any jobs.
             
            Other governments can, have, do, and will. But not this one.

            • anthony bull 4.1.1.1.1.1

              What jobs do governments create?  Thats absolute rubbish if you believe that is what government is for.
               
              Public servantry is not something to aspire to.

              • Napkins

                That’s nonsense of course anthony bull. Serving the public and aiding the common good is the highest calling of any man or woman.
                Its typical of neoliberals and neocons to think otherwise. To them, serving private capital and working in the interests of private shareholders is the only thing they want to see happening in society. Its not really working out that well for most people, is it, although the corporations and the banks are no doubt lovin’ it.

              • felixviper

                What jobs do governments create? 
                 
                All of them really. Without our democratic state we wouldn’t have any “jobs” as we know them.
                 
                We’d be working, sure, but I don’t think I’d go as far as to call slavery a “job”.

          • Tracey 4.1.1.1.2

            OTV
             
            That was most of my point… this is about gainful employment, amongst other things, something this government refuses to accept is important, except by reducing the living wage

      • NoseViper (The Nose knows) 4.1.2

        Me too or if I get an editing window it comes with a panel of formatting icons at top.
        And sometimes my comment just disappears up the boo-iye.

  4. One Tāne Viper 5

    On the one hand I think there’s a case for automatic independent judicial review of all arguments and evidence heard in select committee and cabinet: a deliberate move to evidence-based policy.

    On the other I think it’s quite pathetic that MPs can’t get these basic things right for themselves. What is it about political beliefs that makes people think they are immune from reality?

    There’s nothing wrong with “new” ideas – have a test trial, set goals etc. etc, but stubbornly going back to the same failed nonsense over and over again is just embarrassing, like Collins’ response to Binnie.

  5. Pascal's bookie 6

    Lol at the tories charging in to explain that they weren’t really wrong just because their stupid knee-jerk of an ‘idea’ that was predicted to fail, failed, just as predicted.

    They sure are fans of accountability.

    ‘It was just random failure or something! Who could have known? Sure, some people predicted it would fail when we suggested it, but that’s just random too!’

    • One Tāne Viper 6.1

      No, the dregs of society who promoted this policy and their supporters are responsible for the extra harm they have caused, just as the Dept. of Corrections is liable for William Bell’s actions.
       
      Sauce for the goose…

  6. Jaybob 7

    The Ministry of Youth Affairs produced a very comprehensive review of the issues around youth offending and rehabilitation in 2001 (Tough Is Not Enough – http://www.myd.govt.nz/documents/about-myd/publications/tough-is-not-enough-2000-nz-.pdf), well before John Key and the National Party came into power.

    I wish people would stop portraying “boot camp” as a National Party initiative, when in fact it is just a new development in multi-agency work that has been continuing for decades, involving the military, MSD, Min Justice, Corrections etc.

    MAC camps are not “boot camps”, more like wilderness activity or outward bound camps, run in an environment of military discipline, that build self-image and teamwork. I have spoken with a number of people involved with the kids in CYFs and the military – I had to be persistent with my enquiries to get to talk to people directly involved). All were very positive to extremely positive about their success.

    I suspect that if figures like costs and re-offending rates (what type of offence and when/how often?) were released to the public it would kick up an even bigger storm of ill-informed debate that would inevitably impact the trainees themselves, by devaluing their experience and damaging their pride in completing the course, also damaging the “esprit de corps” of the staff involved.

    Opponents cite the cost of the program. It is about the same as the cost of “residence with supervision” , which is the only alternative sentence a judge can hand down.

    Opponents also claim the course will make the offenders “fitter and faster”, making them more difficult to apprehend when they re-offend. This argument is only rhetoric. Surely nobody can seriously raise that as an objection to trying to turn young lives around and, in the same stroke, save the taxpayer millions of dollars in future prosecutions and imprisonments.

    I think MAC should be seen as a development from MSD, CYF, NZDF etc. that has been long in the making and is based on evidence. For the sake of the young people and their families involved, and those trying to help them, please don’t use this issue as a stick to beat the Government with!

    • higherstandard 7.1

      What do you think is the main reason for the high reoffending rate and what do you think could be done to lower it ?
       

      • One Tāne Viper 7.1.1

        The main causes for the high recidivism rate are fact-free right wing delusions. 
         
        It’s time to get tough on wingnut bullshit.

        • higherstandard 7.1.1.1

          That’s an immensely helpful comment, did you come with it all by yourself or was there a committee involved ?

          • One Tāne Viper 7.1.1.1.1

            As long as wingnuts are aided and abetted in having their dogma inflicted on others, the longer the harm they do will go unchecked.
             
            There is a solution to wingnut bullshit: it used to be called the fourth estate, now it falls upon fact checkers and the electorate. I think the process should be strengthened by introducing robust rules of evidence into policy making. 
             
            I can see no reason why misleading a committee of parliament shouldn’t be a criminal offence. Can you?

            PS: consider the way wittering ninnies like Sarah Palin have destroyed the GOP. Aren’t you ashamed that the National Party is hell bent on following the same path?

      • Jaybob 7.1.2

        Causes for high re-offending rate? I don’t think it’s been established that the re-offending rate is high. The only figures that were released (perhaps unwisely) relate to two initial intakes during a trial/setup period.I have worked in addiction treatment. It is very common for participants to relapse after completing a program – to fall back into the comfort of their old ways.
        But the treatment (usually) remains part of the story of their life – a milestone. They might stumble but that doesn’t mean they’ve failed or are not going to succeed eventually.Analysing outcomes would be difficult. It might make sense to compare re-offending rates with those of detainees in secure youth units. Also, need to look at the frequency and seriousness of offending.If a habitually violent offender is prosecuted for shoplifting after MAC, would that indicate that MAC has failed to stop their violent behaviour? Of course not!But if that violent young person does not show violent behaviour after MAC, surely that indicates success. They would count as “zero” in the re-offending rate.
        The thing about treatments that aim to help people transform their lives (into non-offending, non-addiction etc) is that each story is different, moves along its own timeline, and involves family and community influences post-treatment.
        There is no quick-fix, and results are not easily measured, where the aim is to cause people to radically change their lives. Change happens in different ways for different people over different times.The majority of crime and the most serious crime is committed by a hard-core of offenders. These are the people MAC is trying to work with early in their lives while change is relatively more easy to bring about. 
         
         
         
         

        • higherstandard 7.1.2.1

          Do you know if the local DHB CADS are actively involved in the programme ?

          • Jaybob 7.1.2.1.1

            Higher Standard – No, sorry I don’t know if CADS are involved. CYFS do work with youth unit of ChCh men’s prison, as evidence of their using outside help.

            • higherstandard 7.1.2.1.1.1

              And Marty’s comment below, I always thought this was pretty mcuh standard practise these days due to the previous good results and data.

        • Tracey 7.1.2.2

          I agree, all results ought to be released or none at all. Do you know if the participants were also helped into full-time work at the end or shortly after the course?

        • bad12 7.1.2.3

          You make a reasonable point, boot camps are nothing but Detention Centre Training by another name, unfortunatley as the emphasis of ‘boot camp’ type training is predominantly of the ‘get em out of bed and keep them active’ type then the ongoing effect you talk of is in fact to improve the physical fitness of young offe3nders and this they will carry with them into the world of adult crime,
           
          Detention Centre Training was used extensively on young offenders in the 1970’s and was almost exclusivley focussed upon a militaristic version of ‘get em out of bed and keep em busy’ model of exercise, military marching,and, harsh manual labor, it turned out super-fit young criminals who in 80% of cases had by year 2 re-offended and been furhter sentenced to imprisonment…

          • Jaybob 7.1.2.3.1

            These are 15-17 year-olds who are probably quite fit anyway. If they weren’t sentenced to MAC, they would be organising their own physical training in a detention centre, as adult prisoners do in jail.

            The program is under the overall control of CYFS and the aim is to address the causes of offending (and treat addictions etc). 
            NZDF provide a secure unit, which is ‘home base’ for the trainees, and they run an outward-bound style introduction which has the effect building self-image. 
            I think MAC is an enlightened alternative to jail. Just because “boot camps” have been found generally ineffective (according to international research), doesn’t mean that any sort of involvement of NZDF will fail.

            • bad12 7.1.2.3.1.1

              It is,and, has been known for quite some time absolutely useless to take young people away from their society in an effort to address matters of addiction and offending and then to place those young people back into that society in the same conditions where their original addictions and offending manifested,
               
              Such a system is simply counter-productive, while giving such youth ‘the tools’ with which they might address their addiction/offending at some later date who is to say that around age 24 when most offenders with a reasonably long history of addiction/offending have began in their own way to do just that these targeted youth would not also have began to address their addiction/offending,
               
              You seem to think i give a toss who NZDF or CYFS is running such a program, i don’t, the delivery of such programs need be assessed upon out-comes, nothing else and the anecdotal evidence would suggest that the desired outcome of this particular ‘bootcamp program’ does not succeed on any statistical level,
               
              Simply put, for such programs to suceed the youth involved would need after the initial ‘bootcamp’ to be found employment and accomodation as far away as possible from their previous social setting,
               
              The fact is the only sucess emanating from the resurrection of ‘boot-camp’ style youth justice initiatives was the political points scored by Slippery the Prime Minister announcing the ‘bootcamps’ as some form of panacea for youth crime, as the ‘bootcamps’ have failed to stop re-offending they and the Slippery Prime Minister should be marked ‘F’ for Failure…
               

              • Jaybob

                But part of the “previous social setting” is the family. It’s true the community may be impoverished and dysfunctional but probably nobody has more stake in the young person’s success than the family. 
                The young people can’t be be “given jobs” because they’re still serving the remainder of their sentence – for 12-14 months, typically. Their offences are serious, and not isolated. Public safety is still a consideration, in the workplace.

                • bad12

                  Please, pull my other leg, it plays the aria Jesus My Lord Come unto thee, with the backing of the full New Zealand Symphony Orchestra,
                   
                  You have to be fucking joking, seriously, you have to be either fucking joking or there is something deeply wrong inside your head that from where i sit requires you to avail yourself of some serious professional intervention,
                   
                  So,after ‘bootcamp’ these young offenders are sent where??? back to the dysfunctional families in dysfunctional suburbs where there are a whole tribe of other kids dysfunctioning all over the place,so public safety is in fact of NO consideration,
                   
                  Admitt it, the ‘bootcamps were a cheap political trick used by Slippery the Prime Minister to score cheap political points by Him doing His best used car salesman act on the largly clueless electorate attempting to show He had a answer for youth crime,
                   
                  Fuck, what dribble are you going to come up with next, paerhaps a bit of tiaha training might provide a magical transformation…

      • marty mars 7.1.3

        Reoffending is reduced for many Māori through integrated cultural and rehabilition programs.

    • Dr Terry 7.2

      Which of all the other sticks would you prefer us to beat the government with?

      • Jaybob 7.2.1

        If MAC is used to attack the government, the victims hardest hit will be the MAC trainees. 

  7. mike 8

    The boot camps were never anything other than a PR exercise for Key. He doesn’t care about whether they work or not, they’ve served their purpose for him.

    Just like National’s other big ideas it reeks of something dreamed up around the whiteboard amid plates of Lampton Quay catering company canapes. It’s about idea that they think plays well with their supporters, giving the vague impression that they are doing something about something while getting those dang asset sales through.

    Key’s not stupid, he would listen to expert advice if he actually wanted to do something about crime. He just doesn’t. After all, how would that make him richer and/or get more votes?

    • Jaybob 8.1

      You’ve got to realise that government departments don’t just throw away all their research, policy analysis, and planning when a new party gains power.

  8. Tracey 9

    The fact that key called them boot camps show where his true intention was. HOWEVER if a by-product of his desire to be seen as a tough-mama is that some good has been done we should be pleased but doesn’t mean we have to credit him as such?

    I am aware of a few programmes which have worked very well to reduce re-offending amongst younger folks, including a couple this government stopped funding. presumably because they weren’t calle d”boot-camps”

    • Jaybob 9.1

      Tracey, I think you’ve hit the real story. I don’t recall Key calling this program “boot camp”. But he probably did – only he – and it stuck.NZDF has been involved with youth mentoring and activities since the 1970s, working with schools, the police, and many other agencies. An officer involved with the MAC program told me that NZDF now recognise youth work as an area of well-developed expertise with which they can serve the country.Note that NZDF and young offenders both have in common a greater representation of Maori than in the general population. 
       

    • Populuxe1 9.2

      What true intention. The fitness fanatics among the upwardly mobile also go on “boot camps”. I think you might be fantasising to try and shoehorn some secret Freudian slip from it to attribute to the perfidious Key.

      • felixviper 9.2.1

        Yeah I guess that makes sense.
         
        If you’re from another planet, just arrived the other day, and don’t know what “boot camp” means.

  9. tracey 10

    jaybob

    sadly bootcamp is the only way the nats would fund a programme. when in opposition simon made a great speech to one of kim workmans conferenxes. sadly when he had the chance his party stopped him puttibg his words into practice. sadder still he moved from politics to westpac which at times has the ethics of an alleycat

    • Napkins 10.1

      Child poverty, high youth unemployment, low wages, reductions in educational and training opportunities. These are all basic things which if tackled with real resources and vision would make a real difference to the lives of young people.
      Instead, we’re stuck in a discussion on how our soldiers have to become expert social workers for dysfunctional young people.
      Young people who when they finish these fancy MAC boot camps still have no job to go to, no way into a trade or training, and no place in society. Basically its a wasteful distraction and its no wonder the vast majority of Mac Kids end up in more trouble with the law.

      • Jaybob 10.1.1

        Of course they don’t go straight into jobs after MAC! They still have more than 12 months of their sentence to serve.

        The program is run by CYF. NZDF do not deliver “social work” intervention.
         
         

        • Napkins 10.1.1.1

          The MAC programme is run by CYF but how many CYF staff are there actually on each day of each MAC course. Or are they all at a desk somewhere far away?
          Why are our soldiers being made to do social work and baby sitting of dysfunctional youth. Its not a clever approach. Soldiering is about soldiering not social work and hand holding.

          • Jaybob 10.1.1.1.1

            1) Trainees travel daily to fully staffed CYF facility
            2) NZDF want to be involved as a way of serving the country. Their approach, I believe, reflects their culture: neither harsh, pointless discipline nor soft molly-coddling. 

  10. Peter 11

    It is doubtful that Key ever believed boot camps would work. In fact having listened to him over the years I doubt that he believes much of anything that he says. That is a considerable advantage if you need a mouthpiece to say what ever it takes to get elected. His electioneering was all about pushing the right buttons to gain power and then get on with the business of reducing perceived impediments to business, restructuring government and putting together some nifty little deals such as Sky City for his backers. Simple really!

  11. BM 12

    Boot camps don’t work because they’re not brutal enough.
    The only thing these young ones respect is whoever is the toughest and most bad ass.

    Boot camp shouldn’t be fun, you need to utterly destroy these kids and then reconstruct them.

    • Peter 12.1

      A nice simple answer to a complex question.

    • felixviper 12.2

      Yeah, reconstruct them as vicious sociopaths who identify brutality as a virtue and domination as success.

      • BM 12.2.1

        Disagree.
        I think one of the reason these camps,courses fail is because they’re not seen as punishment by the participants.
        Most, if not all of these kids that go to them are bad little fuckers, the state need to demonstrate that it is indeed the toughest and if you fuck with it, you will be fubared.

        Initial memories of boot camp should just about cause these kids to void themselves, later on after the fear and terror fades, the kids will have developed a new found respect for society and its rules.

        Otherwise it’s boot camp again.

        • felixviper 12.2.1.1

          Yeah, and rogernomics would have made us all millionaires but it just didn’t go far enough and made most of us poorer instead.

          Dream on. You’re going to need to provide some evidence for your wanking fantasies, because so far all the available evidence says you’re wrong.

        • One Tāne Viper 12.2.1.2

          BM, in your dreams you are going to invent things that are tougher than the lives these kids have already endured, and then you woke up.
           
          As Felix says, where’s your evidence? Or is your hard-on sufficient?

          • BM 12.2.1.2.1

            And the touchy feely liberal approach is working so well.
             
             

            • felixviper 12.2.1.2.1.1

              What touchy feely liberal approach are you talking about, BM? Throwing already brutalised young people into the even more brutal environment of 100-year old prisons to be further brutalised by older and more violent versions of themselves?
               
              It’s a persistent fantasy of the authoritarian/fac1st right that we treat young criminals softly, but it simply doesn’t match up with reality.

            • One Tāne Viper 12.2.1.2.1.2

              BM, finally you introduce a meaningful measure: “what works”. The evidence is that rehabilitation works better (note: “better” does not mean “perfectly”) than punishment.
               
              Did you register the recidivism rate in Norway’s penal system? You would start howling with outrage if we adopted it here, but can you explain why you think 50% recidivism is worth enduring, when a rehabilitative model achieves a 20% reoffending rate? 
               
              Are your fantasies that important to you that you would rather cling to them rather than see a reduction in crime? Can you see how I think that makes you a low-life?

              • bad12

                Indeed IF we can ever dispense with the failed notion that imprisonment acts as a deterrent against offending we might then begin to find the means of actually reducing such offending,
                 
                Finding employment for those at risk of entering a criminal life-style might be a good first step…

Important links

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • Crime Reporting Hides Reality
    The National Government has been clever at fudging data and hiding unwanted statistics. It has refused to measure the extent of child poverty, stopped independent environmental reporting and while there has been some worrying crime statistics, we only hear of...
    Local Bodies | 01-10
  • What Labour needs to hear: the 4th voice
    As he pops back and forth between New Zealand and the Pacific Islands, Shane Jones must look on himself as the luckiest of the three men who took part in the Labour leadership race just a scant 12 months ago.read...
    Pundit | 01-10
  • Extremes report 2013: NZ drought and record Aussie heat made worse by warmi...
    The latest climate extremes report finds that 9 out of 16 extreme weather events from last year were influenced by climate change. In particular, the conditions that led to New Zealand’s severe North Island drought — the worst for 41...
    Hot Topic | 01-10
  • On holiday
    Quick PSA: I won on holiday this week, which is why I'm not blogging much at all. Next week I will post once and only once on the Labour leadership contest....
    Polity | 01-10
  • World News Brief, Wednesday October 1
    Top of the AgendaAfghanistan and United States Sign Security Deal...
    Pundit | 01-10
  • Dancing Traffic Lights
    As a pedestrian it can be easy to become a bit impatient, especially when traffic lights are prioritised solely around the movement of vehicles which can leave a long wait between phases. Here’s one idea to keep people occupied while...
    Transport Blog | 01-10
  • Secure work, health and safety and pay rises
    This week the New Zealand Council of Trade Unions (the NZCTU) released their latest economic bulletin today with economist Bill Rosenberg answering the question about whether workers who have a collective employment agreement get bigger pay rises than those on...
    frogblog | 01-10
  • Shock! Horror! Wife defends husband!!!!
        In recent posts I’ve made some fairly trenchant comments about David Cunliffe, primarily about his media performance. Others, including some of his Caucus colleagues, have gone even further. The now resigned Leader of the Opposition has been under...
    Brian Edwards | 01-10
  • September ’14 – NZ blogs sitemeter ranking
    PLEASE NOTE: Sitemeter is playing up again making it impossible to automatically get the stats for some blogs – those I list below. Maybe more bloggers will shift to StatCounter or other counter. No stats could be found for these blogs: Works...
    Open Parachute | 01-10
  • September ’14 – NZ blogs sitemeter ranking
    PLEASE NOTE: Sitemeter is playing up again making it impossible to automatically get the stats for some blogs – those I list below. Maybe more bloggers will shift to StatCounter or other counter. No stats could be found for these blogs: Works...
    Open Parachute | 01-10
  • Auckland: the world’s friendliest city
    UK travel magazine Conde Nast Traveler has just named Auckland the world’s friendliest city in its 2014 rankings. It introduces Auckland with a great photo that highlights the city’s growing urbanity: FRIENDLIEST: 1. Auckland, New Zealand Score: 86.0 (tie) We...
    Transport Blog | 01-10
  • Waterview Breakthrough
    On Monday Alice the Tunnel Boring Machine broke through at Waterview after tunnelling for the last 10 months. And here’s a video of it happening. One of the things that is really impressive is just how accurate the machine is...
    Transport Blog | 30-09
  • Fundamental incomprehension II
    Another day, and another journalist who just doesn't get it about the Greens. This time its Duncan Garner:The Green Party needs a serious rethink. For as long as they have been in Parliament, they have been a left wing party...
    No Right Turn | 30-09
  • An Open Letter to Green Party Supporters: Why I slagged off your Party
    Last week I called for a Bluegreen Party – an environmental party that I could in all conscience, vote for. It prompted a huge response, which confirmed to me there is a clear constituency that is not being serviced. I...
    Gareth’s World | 30-09
  • Parliament should decide
    Yesterday John Key began laying the groundwork to deploy kiwi troops to Iraq to fight in another pointless American war. And with the Labour Party distracted by its autocannibalism, its left to Winston Peters to stand up for democratic values...
    No Right Turn | 30-09
  • The problem with warmongers
    The problem with warmongers is they appear to have no empathy for their fellow human beings. That's because war, and the industrial complex behind it, is invariably built upon people's prejudices.History is littered with examples of prejudice being used as...
    The Jackal | 30-09
  • Australia to criminalise journalism
    Imagine this scenario: Australian spies seeking to fight domestic terrorism borrow the tactics of their American counterparts and start running agent provocateurs to "flush out" those with terrorist leanings. But an operation goes horribly wrong, and actually results in a...
    No Right Turn | 30-09
  • School funding failing vulnerable students – time for a better way?
    1 October 2014 Schools with the greatest needs get too little to meet those needs, says PPTA president Angela Roberts. The current school funding system is failing to support our most vulnerable students and this morning delegates at PPTA’s annual...
    PPTA | 30-09
  • Waiho Papa Moana Hikoi
    More than 1,000 people marched up Queen Streen in Auckland yesterday, as part of the Waiho Papa Moana Hikoi, to protest outside Sky City at the New Zealand Petroleum Summit against plans to begin deep sea oil drilling in the...
    Greenpeace NZ blog | 30-09
  • Why the Prime Minister and RB Governor are whistling in the wind
    Let there be no mistake, New Zealanders want the NZ dollar to be as high as possible. A 65 US cent dollar makes us a hell of a lot poorer than an 88 cent one. So why does the Reserve...
    Gareth’s World | 30-09
  • A targeted transport rate?
    An article in last Friday’s NZ Herald provided an interesting insight into where the investigations into additional transport funding options are at. This is the second phase of the project to close the supposed $12 billion funding gap over the next 30...
    Transport Blog | 30-09
  • Is New Zealand ready for an openly inane Prime Minister?
    In the current leadership race for the Labour Party there are two candidates: Grant Robertson and David Cunliffe. There has been much discussion of their strengths and weaknesses, but one subject has been delicately avoided; perhaps because of political correctness,...
    DimPost | 30-09
  • Is New Zealand ready for an openly inane Prime Minister?
    In the current leadership race for the Labour Party there are two candidates: Grant Robertson and David Cunliffe. There has been much discussion of their strengths and weaknesses, but one subject has been delicately avoided; perhaps because of political correctness,...
    DimPost | 30-09
  • Carpetbaggers
    So, those wishing to participate in the Labour leadership election (2014 edition) have until 11.59pm on Wednesday the 1st of October to join.I won't be joining, but I've noticed an alarming number of people on The Standard announcing that they...
    Left hand palm | 30-09
  • Gordon Campbell on the last rites for the TPP
    Column – Gordon Campbell The Trans Pacific Partnership trade deal is one of those litmus issues that has always had more to do with one’s place on the political spectrum than with any imminent reality. To date, the Greens have...
    Gordon Campbell | 30-09
  • Gordon Campbell on the last rites for the TPP
    Column – Gordon Campbell The Trans Pacific Partnership trade deal is one of those litmus issues that has always had more to do with ones place on the political spectrum than with any imminent reality. To date, the Greens have...
    Its our future | 30-09
  • ATTN MSM: this is not a political news story. I repeat, this is not a polit...
    New Zealand your media treats you as if you are stupid and vacuous, and articles like this are the only things your feeble minds can handle at any given time, unless Paddy has turned up with his friends Shouty Paddy...
    Politically Corrected | 30-09
  • How did the UK grid respond to losing a few nuclear reactors?
    This is a re-post from PassiiviIdentiteetti, written by Jani-Petri Martikainen. Answer: mainly by increasing the use of coal in power production. In the second week of August power company EDF decided to shutdown their reactors in Heysham and Hartlepool. This...
    Skeptical Science | 30-09
  • The very public evisceration of David Cunliffe
    Ordinarily, when the coup of a party leader is underway, one of two things happens. Either the incumbent simply walks, having seen the writing on the wall, or attempts to stare down their opposition in a closed room. Someone walks out of...
    Occasionally erudite | 30-09
  • Dr Sean Simpson from Lanzatech
    On 8th October, Dr Sean Simpson from Lanzatech will be speaking at the University of Auckland, on the subject of “Climate-friendly fuel: A challenge of scale and time”.  This is part of the Energy Centre’s Energy Matters lecture series. Sean...
    Transport Blog | 30-09
  • Stuart’s 100 #36 On the Beat
    36: On the Beat What if we had more cops on the beat? Isn’t it time the New Zealand Police started to recognise the changes happening in urban New Zealand? In our central cities and busiest town centres and main...
    Transport Blog | 30-09
  • Bonus growth for SaaS exporters
    The currency fall has a wonderful effect for exporters, especially those who have most of their costs back here in New Zealand. As I write this, the NZD versus the USD has fallen about 10% since earlier this year. As an...
    Lance Wiggs | 30-09
  • Against returning to Iraq
    Last week the US announced a new bombing campaign against ISIS in Iraq and Syria. Its hard to see how bombing will do any good (except for US defence contractors), and easy to see how it will cause blowback. To...
    No Right Turn | 30-09
  • Speaker: An Open Letter To David Cunliffe
    Dear David,I want to first congratulate you on the campaign you ran. You gave it your all, and did well in the debates. I was deeply disappointed in the result that Labour got on September 20th - but I’m sure...
    Public Address | 30-09
  • Long run or short season for David Cunliffe?
    When you’ve read this short post have a look at the interview below with David Cunliffe on last night’s Campbell Live .  But first,  if you haven’t done so already, please  read my previous post on the ex Labour leader, titled...
    Brian Edwards | 30-09
  • Seaworthy ships and stormy seas – PPTA annual conference 2014
    30 September 2014 Pirates, privateers, seaworthy ships and stormy seas all featured in PPTA president Angela Roberts' nautically themed opening speech to the association's annual conference this morning. Describing the political context PPTA ventures out into as "often stormy and...
    PPTA | 30-09
  • Key admits exiling people without trial
    Back in February, we learned that John Key had responded to the "threat" of people travelling to Syria to participate in its civil war by cancelling their passports. This was done without any sort of due process or review, let...
    No Right Turn | 30-09
  • Reflections on Melbourne and Sydney
    2014 was an auspicious year. Whether by cosmic alignment or fickle chance, Easter Monday and Anzac Day fell in the same week, and I was able to shoot off to Melbourne and Sydney for ten days with only three days...
    Transport Blog | 29-09
  • The “Pacific solution” devolves into rape and child abuse
    Australia's "Pacific solution" of imprisoning refugees in remote gulags in an effort to pschologically torture them into going home has turned into a catalogue of horrors: neglect, beatings and rapes, torture, and murder. And now they've got a new one:...
    No Right Turn | 29-09
  • The leadership characteristic that shall not be named
    David Cunliffe formally resigns today, setting up a head-to-head battle between him and Grant Robertson, although there’s still a chance that David Shearer, Andrew Little and/or Stuart Nash might throw their hat(s) into the ring. As the Labour MPs arrived for...
    Occasionally erudite | 29-09
  • The leadership characteristic that shall not be named
    ...
    Occasionally erudite | 29-09
  • Th Austerity Disaster and its impact – Lessons for New Zealand? (Fro...
    Europe’s Austerity Disaster29/09/2014 by Joseph StiglitzJoseph Stiglitz“If the facts don’t fit the theory, change the theory,” goes the old adage. But too often it is easier to keep the theory and change the facts – or so German Chancellor Angela...
    the Irascible Curmudgeon | 29-09
  • The Damage Fallacies of Neo-Liberal economics cause
    The on-going and recent scandals (Judith Collins & Oravida, Maurice Williamson & Donghua Lui, John Key & Dirty Politics....)  in New Zealand that have swirled around the neo-liberal National Party government of Key, supported by the discredited political parties of...
    the Irascible Curmudgeon | 29-09
  • Changing Leaders Will Not Be Enough
    Trial By Ordeal: The techniques of the Seventeenth Century Witchfinders-General might be preferable to the process Labour has adopted to uncover the reasons for its woeful performance in the 2014 General Election. It's a pity the Party has not allowed...
    Bowalley Road | 29-09
  • Starting a constructive conversation on the future of the Treaty of Waitang...
    To learn more about our upcoming Treaty project click here...
    Gareth’s World | 29-09
  • Gillard on NZ Labour
    I arrived in Australia a month after Tony Abbott had been elected Prime Minister, a week after Bill Shorten had been elected Labor Leader and a month before Kevin Rudd announced his resignation from Parliament. It quickly amazed me how...
    Progress report | 29-09
  • March to #StopDeepSeaOil and #StopStatoil
    There have been amazing and moving scenes in Northland as the Waiho Papa Moana Hikoi made its way down from Cape Reinga to stand up for their coast, their way of life and for future generations. And they are not...
    Greenpeace NZ blog | 29-09
  • Auckland Transport Early October Board Meeting
    The Auckland Transport board meeting is on Thursday and below are sections from the various reports that caught my attention. The first thing I noticed was the huge number of items on the closed agenda with 18 specific items for decision/approval or...
    Transport Blog | 29-09
  • Labour not “part of the communities we live in”
    Labour leadership aspirant Grant Robertson told a blunt truism to Kathryn Ryan on Radio New Zealand the Monday after the election. “Politics has to be about more than elections,” he said. “It has to about being part of the communities...
    Colin James | 29-09
  • The mystifying rise of Jacinda Ardern
    As Labour’s leadership debacle lurches nowhere fast, the only winner thus far appears to be Jacinda Ardern. A One News poll (or what One News sometimes likes to call a poll, despite it being a self-selecting online survey. Please, just leave the...
    Occasionally erudite | 29-09
  • Hold fast to your Mana – Harawira
    Hone Harawira today called on the voters of Tai Tokerau to hold fast to their mana, and not be dictated to by those party leaders who have ganged together to tell them how to vote. “I call on our people...
    Mana | 18-09
  • Media Advisory – Interview availability
    This is to advise all media that Hone Harawira will be available in Auckland tomorrow, Friday the 19th of September from 7am to 4pm for interviews relating to his recent press releases. If you are interested in interviewing Mr Harawira on...
    Mana | 18-09
  • Labour stands on proud record on Suffrage Day
    Women have come a long way in the 121 years since New Zealand became the first country to give them the vote on September 19 1893, but there is still more to do, Labour’s Women’s Affairs spokesperson Carol Beaumont says....
    Labour | 18-09
  • Polling Booths asked to treat Maori voters with respect
    “Polling booths without Maori roll voting papers, Maori people not being offered assistance to vote, people getting sent from Whangarei to Wellsford to vote, Maori people getting turned away from voting because they didn’t have their ‘easy vote’ card, Maori...
    Mana | 17-09
  • Aussie Liberals embroiled in Key campaign
    John Key needs to explain why Australia’s Liberal Party is interfering in New Zealand domestic politics and is encouraging Kiwi voters across the ditch to vote for National just days out from the election, Labour’s campaign spokesperson Annette King says....
    Labour | 17-09
  • The MANA Plan for Beneficiaries and Income in Waiariki
    Median Personal Income for Waiariki is $21,700. Over 13,000 Maori who live in Waiariki rely upon a form of government benefit including the Unemployment Benefit, Sickness Benefit, Domestic Purpose Benefit and the Invalids Benefit. “If you’re lucky enough to have...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Māori development crucial to New Zealand’s future
    Labour recognises the concern of Māori about child poverty and the rising costs of living, and in Government will make a real difference to the wellbeing of whānau and iwi, Labour’s Māori Affairs spokesperson Nanaia Mahuta says. “As our Māori...
    Labour | 16-09
  • MAORI PARTY – DON’T COMPLAIN … WALK
    “If the Maori Party are serious about stopping government spying on NZ citizens then they should tell the Prime Minister to either stop doing it or they will walk away” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP Hone Harawira, on...
    Mana | 16-09
  • JOHN KEY SUPPORTING LABOUR
    “There is something really sick about a National Party Prime Minister coming out in support of a Labour candidate” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira, after hearing that John Key is urging voters to back Labour in...
    Mana | 16-09
  • SHUT DOWN THIS GOVT NOT KAITI WINZ – Nikora
    “I’m going to make it as hard for you to get help as I can” is Paula Bennett’s message to the people of Kaiti  said MANA candidate Te Hāmua Nikora today in response to the news that National will close...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Winegums make for better polling – Harawira
    I wanted to laugh when I saw the Native Affairs poll the other night (Hone Harawira 38%, Kelvin Davis 37%) because it was almost the same as the one they did back in 2011”, said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau...
    Mana | 16-09
  • The Leadership of MTS Lied – Harawira
    “Normally I’m happy to tell people that I was right but when I received the news about the staff cuts at Maori Television, I had nothing but sympathy for the three Maori media leaders who are going to be made...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Privileges Complaint Laid against Prime Minister – Harawira
    MANA Movement Leader and Te Tai Tokerau MP Hone Harawira has today lodged a Privileges Complaint with the Speaker regarding the Prime Ministers denials in parliament that he knew anything about Kim Dotcom before 2012. “Information made public today appears...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Sharples’ new appointments are out of order
    The new appointments to the Waitangi Tribunal announced by Dr Pita Sharples this morning are completely out of order given the election is just five days away, says Labour's State Services spokesperson, Maryan Street. “This Government continues to show disdain...
    Labour | 15-09
  • MANA Movement Housing Policy
    “When families are living in cars, garages, cockroach-infested caravans and three families to a house then we have a housing crisis”, said MANA leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Hone Harawira. “When you have a housing crisis for low-income...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Bigger than the Foreshore and Seabed – Sykes
    “Over the past week I have received some disturbing information that has led myself and a number of Maori lawyers to conclude that this National - Maori Party - ACT and United Future Government are going to put an end to both...
    Mana | 14-09
  • MANA wants Te Reo Māori petition fulfilled
    Hone Harawira, MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Annette Sykes, MANA candidate for Waiariki Te Hāmua Nikora, MANA candidate for Ikaroa Rāwhiti  “More than four decades have passed and the petition calling for Te Reo Māori in schools...
    Mana | 14-09
  • Primary focus on the critical issues
    A Labour Government will prioritise New Zealand’s agricultural sectors by recreating a Rural Affairs Minister and appointing a Primary Industry Council and a Chief Agricultural Adviser. Releasing Labour’s Primary Sector and Rural Affairs policies today, spokesperson Damien O’Connor says the...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Maori Television fears confirmed – Harawira
    ...
    Mana | 12-09
  • More ghost houses from National
    The Government’s desperate pre-election announcement of more ghost houses won’t fool Aucklanders wanting action on the housing crisis, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “These are ghost houses, to go with National’s ghost tax cut. Families cannot live in ghost...
    Labour | 12-09
  • National bows to union pressure over travel time
    National has reluctantly bowed to pressure from unions and adopted Labour’s fair and sensible policy to pay home support workers for the time they spend traveling between clients, Labour’s Associate Health spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. “This decision is long overdue...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Party members and affiliates – the real losers in Labour’s leadership f...
    Hey, wanna do a back room deal that cuts the members and affiliates out? Cunliffe must be reeling. He has lost failed Ilam candidate James Dann. It must cut as deep as the loss of Steve Gibson. Apart from providing Claire...
    The Daily Blog | 30-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, the election res...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, the election result...
    The Daily Blog | 30-09
  • The rich get richer
    Nobel prize winner Paul Krugman highlights the growing inequality in this article in the New York Times. The left wing slogan that the “the rich get richer” is a fact of almost perverse power. The most recent period of expansion in the...
    The Daily Blog | 30-09
  • A brief word on reinvading Iraq
    So after telling the country before the election that NZ would not send forces to Iraq, lo and behold now he’s won the election with a full spectrum dominance political majority, Key is suddenly now looking to join the re-invasion of...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • A brief word on the importance of ACT, Maori Party and United Future to Nat...
    I’m a far right wing clown who attacks tax money going on anything collective, gimmie some cash and privilege.  One of the great successes of National has been to implement hard right policy but have it sold as moderate. For some NZers,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • Labour’s Angst
    Was Labour’s predictably low vote David Cunliffe’s fault? Was it policy? Was it something else that has aroused perceptions of electoral carnage? My analysis of the numbers suggests that, as uncertain voters made up their minds, there was a late...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • Information wars: Gaza as “the last taboo”, the threat of mass surveill...
    “When the truth is replaced with silence” wrote the soviet dissident Yevgeni Yevtushenko, “the silence is a lie.” There has been a silence these past months full of noise, static and sound bites of those in power justifying their violence,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • When the media say they covered Dirty Politics – did they?
    I was watching The Nation in the weekend, and watched the defenders of NZ media up against Minto telling him he was wrong in his claims of media bias and that the media covered Dirty Politics. I laughed. When the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG – P Campbell – To the Left with love
    A week after the general election results I feel wrung out emotionally, having been through the disappointment, depression and anger of seeing  another right wing government elected overwhelmingly by winning support from the parts of NZ that will never benefit...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – I will be the new Labour Leader!
    One week after the election, while I was still waiting to be consulted about contributing to the review on what went wrong, what do you know? There is a leadership challenge. So instead of opting for a united, thoughtful and...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – A Prescient Post
    A very prescient pre-election post by Martyn Bradbury tells us why the Labour Party are at war now. “The NZ First-Labour Party attack strategy against Internet MANA better work” Despite Martyn Bradbury warning them this Right Wing strategy “Better Work”...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – W(h)ither Labour (!/?)
    There’s an old saying that success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan. Not so in the Labour Party, wherein soul-crushing defeat on a scale unseen since 1925 definitely has many fathers (and more than a few mothers and...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • At the end of the day…
    At the end of the day…...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • Cynicism towards Key’s sudden desire to help children in poverty
    Cynicism towards Key’s sudden desire to help children in poverty...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • Internet MANA the election and the media
    I’ve been very critical of media reporting of Internet MANA during the election campaign and not surprised at the predictable response from representatives of the corporate media establishment. I wasn’t going to carry this further but was asked at the...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Rachel Jones – A superficial discourse analysis of a superfic...
    On Sunday there was a story about Paddy Gower and his detached retina in the Herald on Sunday. Really? I hear you ask. Really? Yes, really. Pam Corkery will have sprayed toast crumbs over her dressing gown. The reporter has become...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • Terrorising Australia’s Muslim population
    We should be suspicious when 800 police conduct “terror” raids across Australia, but only one person is charged with a relevant terrorism offence (of which we know few details). We should be suspicious of the lurid tales of terrorists planning...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • Another Labour leader has resigned and as per usual, the media lost its min...
    Another Labour leader has resigned and as per usual, the media lost its mind. I know the Labour party has its problems and I’m not even going to try to prescribe what should be done about it. But what I...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – Loyalty, Leadership and the Labour Party
    My first after the election and I can only say I’m feeling pretty sad.  It was a terrible result, and feels even more so knowing the number of volunteers hours, hard work & sacrifice made by so many people who...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • A Study in Party Stability
    . In terms of long-term stability, one party above stands above all others, with the exception of personality-driven groups such as NZ First and United Future. That party is the Greens. If the Labour Party wants to look elsewhere for...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • Cunliffe vs Robertson – Round 2
    Much to the disappointment of the NZ Herald and other right wing pundits who have decided they would like to appoint the next Labour leader, Cunliffe has surprised by deciding to damn the Caucus and appeal directly to the members...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • The tasks before the left and labour movement
    Anyone on the left would have been disappointed at the result of the election. There was an opportunity to win, but that got lost through a combination of factors. There were tactical decisions made by Labour, the Greens and Internet-Mana...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • From Fiji’s dictatorship to ‘democracy’ – the AUT student team on t...
    Mads Anneberg’s profile on Ricardo Morris and Repúblika. David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific. THREE STUDENTS from AUT University covered Fiji’s historic “from dictatorship to democracy” general election this month. While the election arguably legitimised Voreqe Bainimarama’s so-called 2006...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • David Cunliffe Resigns As Labour Leader – Forces Robertson Out of the Bel...
    David Cunliffe has made a smart move, resigning as the leader of the Labour Party so as to force a leadership primary campaign. The move draws rival Grant Robertson out of the beltway to parts of the country where he...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • Deep thought vs Deep prejudice
    . . This letter to the editor appeared in The Listener, on 27 September, and caught my attention; . . Mr Dawson wrote in response to one of those typically unthinking comments which  condemned the poor for their “unbridled, reckless...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • The NZ National voters elected
    The NZ National voters elected...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – The post election postmortem is giving me post p...
    I feel the need to contribute to the discourse. This is a new experience for me. Not having an opinion, but expressing it on a popular forum in a public sphere. That’s why I have waited till now and put...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • A dictionary of education terms and definitions, brought to you by the let...
    Free to all TDB readers, please enjoy your very own cut-out-and-keep handy primer of terms that I predict you will need to know over the next three years… Achievement Gap (noun) Synonym for wealth gap. ACT (abstract noun) Intangible. Reported to exist in...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • A Mines Rescue brigadesman’s perspective on the Pike River Mine
    My husband and I lived in Greymouth in 2010, we were a coal mining family.  The day Pike River Mine blew up and the days following changed us profoundly, as it did for so many.  This is a Mines Rescue...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • The Left Triumphant! A Counterfactual History of the Last Twelve Months.
    DID IT REALLY HAVE TO END LIKE THIS? Reading through the commentary threads of the left-wing blogs it is impossible to not feel the anger; the sense of betrayal; the impression of having had something vital ripped from their grasp;...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • GUEST BLOG – Myles Thomas: The media won it!
    Make no mistake, John Key is a clever communicator – reasonable, authoritative and relaxed – but without the media he wouldn’t be PM. Depending on your viewpoint, New Zealand’s news media are either a bunch of Grey Lynn lefties or...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Not Learning Lessons Past: the West’s Response to IS
    In an earlier posting Ukraine, United Kingdom, Ireland, Scotland, I noted that the first lesson of conflict learned by Robert McNamara was “understand your adversary”. If we have honourable objectives, our first and most important weapon is empathy. In the Vietnam War,...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Dr Jarrod Gilbert – Proof of David Farrar’s deception: my ...
    In the lead up to the election the Minister of Corrections Anne Tolley launched a gang policy. In order to justify the government’s approach she used gang figures that overstated the gang problem. Not by a little bit, but a...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • SPECIAL FEATURE: Stuart Nash – Red To The Rescue?
    SPECIAL FEATURE by Selwyn Manning. IF THE ELECTION RESULT which was dished out to Labour was not enough to incite an immediate leadership primary, then the caucus’ refusal to recognise David Cunliffe as the leader should cement it. Now is...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Has the one party state crackdown begun already? Left wing NZ activist grou...
    Well known left wing activist social media group, ‘John Key Has Left Down NZ’ has been shut down on Facebook. At 11.40pm last night, Facebook, without any warning shut the group down siting a breach of terms of service as...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Why Cunliffe should probably just let Nash & Robertson win
    We have to face some very unpalatable home truths. If you are a left wing political person, best you put your vote now to the Green Party, although you’ll have to do that all the while the Greens frantically tell you...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • The graceless win of Kelvin Davis
    The graceless win of Cameron Slater’s mate in the North, Kelvin Davis is difficult to swallow. Here Cameron Slater’s mate in the North is shitting on Hone Harawira by calling Hone all steam, no hangi as Kelvin rubs his ganged up win into...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So Labour shifted too far to the left?
    So Labour shifted too far to the left?   Here’s the ill-judged view of Josie Pagani in the Pundit “Labour must change”: “At the last election I made myself a heretic when I wrote a column mentioning how unpopular the...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Uncomplicated Loyalties: Why Cunliffe and the Labour Left Cannot Win
    THE STORY of David Cunliffe’s leadership of the Labour Party has been one of missed opportunities and unforced errors. That he was the only choice available to those who wanted to rid the Labour Party of its neoliberal cuckoos is...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So we can expect this now?
    So we can expect this now?...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Can Labour be saved? Why Whaleoil & National won and why we need a new ...
    As the shock of my optimism that NZers would recoil from the real John Key as exposed by Dirty Politics and mass surveillance duplicities wears off, I am surprised to find that the right in NZ are not content with...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Three more years (up shit creek and paddling hard)
    “If the future is not green, there is no future. If the future is not you, there is no future”. Emma Thompson’s stirring words to the climate marchers in London last Sunday are worth considering in the aftermath of the...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • One Party State
    In years to come this election will be seen as a historic turning point towards one party rule. I don`t mean this literally, absolute single party dictatorship is not in prospect. In the New Zealand context though, one party has...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • No More. The Left Falls.
    . We cannot be beaten down Because we are down already. We can only rise up and if you should beat us down, We will rise again. And again. And again… And when you tire of beating us down, We...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Hang tight everyone – Marama Davidson campaign reflection
    To the many people who had expressed their overwhelming support for me to enter Parliament this election – thank you. That the Greens held steady in a big loss for progressive politics is an achievement. We are hopeful that after...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA
    New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • Reflecting on Elections Past
    There are a number of past elections that can give the left in New Zealand guidance and hope. Two major points though. Major parties require leaders who can bridge the political divide through strength of personality, vision of what it...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – The Reptile Room
    I stress, at the outset, that I’ve got nothing against reptiles. Some of my best friends are reptiles. Some say I am one, but I’m not really. I just emulate that ability to sit, stationary for hours in court, eyes...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • The success of right-wing counter messaging in the election
    One of the reasons National won the election was due to its success in counter messaging – and the way so many media commentators ran with th the right-wing spin. Here are some examples. Dirty Politics The original message was...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New Flag competition
    New Flag competition...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • Submissions sought on herbicide for weed control in maize
    The Environmental Protection Authority is calling for submissions on a herbicide to improve broadleaf weed control in maize. The substance CADET contains 100g fluthiacet-methyl in the form of an emulsifiable concentrate and would contain a new active ingredient...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Jesse Mulligan Lives Below Poverty Line
    Jesse Mulligan Lives Below Poverty Line TV personality Jesse Mulligan will live on the equivalent of the extreme poverty line this October in order to raise awareness of sex trafficking. Mulligan will survive on $2.25 for his food from October...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Narratives from the 2014 Election: What do we learn?
    Narratives from the 2014 Election: What do we learn? - Sue Bradford, Russell Brown & Kirk Serpes discuss....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Voices from Oceania to speak out on climate change
    Voices from Oceania to speak out on climate change at launch of Pacific environment report...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Changes to Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre messages
    The Ministry of Civil Defence & Emergency Management advises that while changes to Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre messages come into effect from today (Wednesday 1 October), the Ministry has been, and remains, the authoritative voice for tsunami...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Police remove banner at Statoil Offices in Wellington
    Oil Free Wellington hung a banner at 9:30 this morning at the Statoil office headquarters in Wellington as the Petroleum Summit opened in Auckland. The banner, which read 'Statoil out of Northland: Stop Deep Sea Oil', has now been removed...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Mixed massages raise concerns
    Mixed massages raise concerns for Te Taumata Kaumatua Ngapuhi nui tonu, and Te Wakaminenga O nga Hapu Ngapuhi....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Union Slams Port Boss’s Pay Rise
    The Rail and Maritime Transport Union (RMTU) says Lyttelton Port CEO Peter Davie’s 18% wage rise, taking his pay packet to $1.24m, is unjustified and inflammatory. ‘Lyttelton port has an appalling health and safety record, with three deaths on...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Prisons expert Ron Nikkel to speak in Auckland October 15
    Prison Fellowship NZ and JustSpeak have the privilege of hosting the former president of Prison Fellowship International, Ron Nikkel....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Hundreds of educators protest IES in Rotorua
    Four hundred educators from around the country took their opposition to the Government's controversial Investing in Educational Success policy to the public today....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Crime drops by 3.2 % in the 2013 / 2014 financial year
    Criminal offences dropped by 3.2 % in the last financial year according to figures released today through Statistics New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Narratives from the 2014 Election: what do we learn?
    I would like to invite you to a Fabians Reflection on "Dirty Politics, Dotcom and Labour’s worst result" with Colin James, Keith Ng, Stephanie Rodgers and Richard Harman. They will provide a debrief of analysis and lessons from the 2014...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Oil Free Wellington drops banner from Statoil headquarters
    Today members of Oil Free Wellington have targeted the offices of Statoil, by attaching a banner reading 'Statoil out of Northland: Stop Deep Sea Oil' to the entrance of Vodafone on the Quay Midland Park, where Statoil's New Zealand office...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Media Statement from Karen Price
    “After a period of intense media attention and scrutiny of our family, I set up and used an anonymous Twitter account over the weekend and made a number of comments that I deeply regret....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Greenpeace disrupts Simon Bridges’ speech to oil industry
    Greenpeace activists have disrupted the opening speech by Energy and Resources Minister Simon Bridges at the Petroleum Summit in Auckland this morning....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • New Zealand Red Cross Responds to Drought in Tonga
    New Zealand Red Cross has sent an aid worker and two desalination units, to turn seawater into safe drinking water in the drought-hit Ha’apai islands of Tonga....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Can you ever tell if an email is real or forged?
    Computer industry veteran Brian Eardley-Wilmot warns that we should never take claims about stolen emails at face value....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • NZ MPs to attend the ASPG Annual Conference in Sydney
    New Zealand MPs to attend the Australasian Study of Parliament Group Annual Conference in Sydney...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Independent Maori seats still needed in Parliament
    “He’s got to be joking!” is the reaction of the president of the Maori Party, Rangimarie Naida Glavish to a call by a former Labour Minister of Maori Affairs, Dover Samuels, for debate by Maori on whether the Maori electorates...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    Rallies supporting the rights for universal suffrage will take place all over New Zealand today and tomorrow...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand
    Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand The Graf Boys New Zealand has some of the best trout fishing in the world! Every year thousands of international visitors wade pristine rivers in search of the freshwater game fish....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New Zealand’s 2014 Hottest Vegetarians Crowned
    With winter gone things are heating up, and things just got even hotter with the crowning of New Zealand’s hottest vegetarians, says animal advocacy group SAFE. Marking World Vegetarian Day, 1st October, director James Napier Robertson and actor...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A day to remember our duty to look after our senior citizens
    Human Rights Commissioner Dr Jackie Blue says International Day of the Older Person (1 October) is a United Nations day to celebrate our senior citizens, but also acknowledge the need to protect our kaumatua, or older people from abuse and...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Clear data needed on impact of benefit sanctions on children
    A lack of data on benefit sanctions means there is no way of knowing whether welfare reform is helping or harming children, says Child Poverty Action Group....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The socialist alternative to austerity and war
    Public meeting: After the New Zealand election—the socialist alternative to austerity and war By Tom Peters 29 September 2014...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New recruits to boost border protection
    Twenty six new recruits began an intensive nine-week training course in Auckland today that will see them graduate as Customs officers in time for the busy summer season....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Dwindling Mallard population shows up ‘pest’ myth
    The pro hunting organisation Fish & Game is researching the causes of the decline of the mallard duck population, upset at the prospect of fewer ducks to kill....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    New Zealanders in Auckland will gather on Wednesday to support the rights for universal suffrage in Hong Kong....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Campbell Live Exclusive Interview with David Cunliffe
    David Cunliffe resigned as leader of the Labour party on Saturday; but he still wants the top job....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Action needed on cycling safety
    “Clearly we aren't doing enough to protect the 1.5 million New Zealanders who ride bikes,” said Mr Morgan....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • World Rivers Day Passes Without A Whimper
    Sunday 28 September was World Rivers Day to celebrate clean, flowing rivers and caring about them. But a recreation-conservation advocacy the Council of Outdoor Recreation Associations of NZ (CORANZ) says the day seems to have slipped by without...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The Kiwifruit Claim: Q&A
    1. Who is running The Kiwifruit Claim? The Kiwifruit Claim was founded by kiwifruit growers representing well in excess of 10% of the industry. 2. Why are you running this claim? The introduction of Psa into New Zealand had devastating...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Fed Farmers Need to Be Weaned
    The Taxpayers’ Union is calling on Federated Farmers to make a firm commitment to reject any future Government funding, after it was revealed that the lobby group had received over $200,000 of payments in recent years....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Children paying the price for charter school stitch up
    New Zealand children will be paying a high price for a one-seat deal between ACT and National, with an expansion of the beleaguered charter school system says education union NZEI Te Riu Roa....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Hikoi From North Reaches Oil Conference Tomorrow
    Today: The Hikoi opposing Statoil plans for seismic testing and deep sea oil drilling has marched through Dargaville and later be welcomed to Piringatahi Marae, West Harbour,Tamaki Makaurau/Auckland....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Communities Still Count
    The efforts of many organisations to influence the electorate and the political parties they voted for in the lead up to the 2014 Election is over. The voting public has spoken and provided a strong endorsement to the centre-right National...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Eleven social enterprises get ready to take off
    Eleven teams from across the country will take part in the Launchpad, Ākina’s programme to get social enterprise ideas off the ground....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • An open letter to the Prime Minister
    in which Transparency International New Zealand asks the Prime Minister to ensure integrity underpins all work he leads "in the best interests of all New Zealanders"...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Paula Bennett ‘great work’ acknowledged – McVicar
    “Paula Bennett, as Minister of Social Development, has contributed significantly in lowering our crime rate and preventing further victims.” - McVicar...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Key’s Restraint in Propping up ACT Welcomed
    The Taxpayers’ Union is welcoming the announcement that ACT MP David Seymour will not be appointed as a Minister....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Only Concession is from the Taxpayer
    Responding to the confidence and supply agreement reached between John Key and Peter Dunne’s United Future Party, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A Tent for Any Tenant
    AUT students and Salvation Army Manukau Community Ministries team up to raise awareness, as South Auckland’s housing situation moves from crisis to collapse...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Cycle Safety Panel Draft Report Seeks Comments
    The Cycle Safety Panel Draft Report and Recommendations was published on 25th September 2014 and the panel are inviting comments. Lucinda Rees from NZ School Speeds, the organisation campaigning for consistent speed limits outside schools, is encouraged...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Labour’s Review – Terms of Reference Agreed
    Labour's Review - Terms of Reference Agreed Following a meeting of its ruling New Zealand Council yesterday, Labour has released the terms of reference for the comprehensive review initiated following its 2014 election result. The review will comprise three...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • The final countdown for Kiwi smokers
    There are just two days left until many smokers stubb out their cigarettes for the last time and embark on Stoptober – New Zealand’s first national quit-smoking month....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • “In A Democracy People Win And People Lose”
    “In A Democracy People Win And People Lose” – Chris Hipkins Labour Senior Whip I would say to all of the caucus and all of the members let's actually hear the arguments from the people who want to be leader,...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Campaign to make Murder of Unborn ”Safe and Legal”
    The IPPF have launched an international campaign through its 161 affiliates including the New Zealand Family Planning Association [NZFPA] to make the murder of the unborn safe and legal and accepted as a human right. This is an acceleration of...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Grant Robertson Labour leader hopeful on TVNZ Q+A
    “Look I think what we need to be is relevant, clear and consistent with New Zealanders about the Labour Party's values,” said Labour leader hopeful Grant Robertson on TVNZ’s Q+A programme....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Labour Needs to Get House in Order Before Deciding Leader
    Ex Labour party leader and possible repeat contender David Shearer says the Labour Party is going about the post-election period in the wrong way....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Hate merchants at it again with smear tactics
    “It’s disappointing to see the hate merchants at it again with yet another attempt to smear and silence a health professional who’s doing research they disagree with,” says Ian Powell, Executive Director of the Association of Salaried Medical Specialists...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
Public service advertisements by The Standard

Current CO2 level in the atmosphere