Canada and the TPP

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1. Disabled Liberation Aotearoa NZ DLANZ 1

   21 October 2015 at 8:52 am

   Thanks for this very informative item. It appears the same with NZ Labor Party comments, though ‘the slide’ of Trudeau’s statements is so transparent, one could call it a 2 way mirror,

   DLANZ Disabled have shared the same concerns about the secrecy of the Trans-Pacific Partnership and still do today. It seems one should recall an old Maori proverb ”He kuku ki te kaianga…He kaka ki te Ngahere”….means..as a cooing dove at home, so is a parrot in a forest… say one thing first and say something else, somewhere else (paraphrase). Disabled, Maori, Workers etc have all seen this before.

   Regards and keep smiling
   Doug Hay
   DLANZ Cordinator
   • Tiro 1.1

     22 October 2015 at 5:07 pm

     – NZ Labour Party
2. Ross 2

   21 October 2015 at 8:59 am

   I suspect Canada will ratify the TPP, just as Labour would here.

   The new Canadian PM is a big supporter of free trade. I am not a fan of Tim Groser but I agree with him that it’s inconceivable that Canada will pull the plug on TPP.
   • ScottGN 2.1

     21 October 2015 at 11:06 am

     I agree with this assessment.
3. Chooky 3

   21 October 2015 at 9:48 am

   lets hope Trudeau educates Canadians on what their former government signed them up for in secrecy… and pulls the Canadians out

   ‘Trans-Pacific Partnership? Never heard of it, Canadians tell pollster’

   http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trans-pacific-partnership-never-heard-of-it-canadians-tell-pollster-1.3116770
   • AmaKiwi 3.1

     21 October 2015 at 9:54 am

     A referendum would be the safe way for Trudeau to handle TPPA .

     “It is the people’s decision. It was the people’s decision to join or to reject TPPA. Don’t blame us.”
4. dukeofurl 4

   21 October 2015 at 10:28 am

   A bit away from the topic, but Trudeau has indicated Canada will pull out from bombing campaign against ISIS in Syria.

   That wont go down well with US, and will be an insight about others who ‘want to go home’ in the future (like NZ).
5. Steve 5

   21 October 2015 at 10:46 am

   *crickets chirping
6. linda 6

   21 October 2015 at 1:13 pm

   One positive. The new canadian government. Is leak the text. We able see. The john key lies
7. One Two 7

   21 October 2015 at 1:27 pm

   Talk is cheap….
8. NZJester 8

   21 October 2015 at 1:29 pm

   I think the so called middle ground in politics these days is a lie. That ground is actually right of center.
   The right have moved a lot more right so that the so called middle ground are mostly those with right leaning tenancies.
   Left leaning parties trying to pick up those so called middle ground people have been a boom for the right as they have disenfranchised a lot of left leaning voters by moving to the right. They feel that the former left parties had moved to right of center while trying to get those so called middle voters. The middle left felt betrayed but did not want to give their vote to the extreme left like the greens. The people the parties are picking up by moving back to the left are not the ones from the extreme left but the old traditional left wing voters who felt left out.
   Look at what has happened in places that political parties on the left have shifted back to their traditional left policies. Rather than loosing votes the numbers have actually grown.
9. Nick 9

   21 October 2015 at 2:04 pm

   Why are you so excited over the prospect of a newly elected left wing government getting into bed with highly subsidized dairy farmers? Canada’s supply management of dairy products is terrible policy whether you’re left or right.
   • AmaKiwi 9.1

     21 October 2015 at 4:14 pm

     Nick: “Canada’s supply management of dairy products is terrible policy”

     No it isn’t. It’s a values choice. If the people of Canada are prepared to pay to protect certain types of land use and lifestyles, that is their choice. Many European countries do the same to maintain a rural atmosphere and links to their agrarian heritage.

     If you’re only concerned with profits, yes, Canada’s dairy supply management scheme is expensive. But by that standard we should sell off all our parks.

     A country’s future need not be entirely about making money.

     Excuse me now. I am off to the beach before a multi-national hotel chain buys it.
     • Grindlebottom 9.1.1

       21 October 2015 at 4:46 pm

       +1
   • One Two 9.2

     21 October 2015 at 5:03 pm

     A “terrible policy” for which you provide no qualification of your assessment

     An explanation could be entertaining, so go right ahead
   • Pat 9.3

     22 October 2015 at 12:12 am

     left wing???…compared to what?
10. esoteric pineapples 10

    21 October 2015 at 4:09 pm

    One of Canada’s leading independent news websites

    http://rabble.ca/
11. joe90 11

    21 October 2015 at 10:21 pm

    Meet the new boss, [almost] same as the old boss.

    Justin Trudeau is going to feel good, for a while, compared to Harper. He will be better. He will repeal some of Harper’s worst policies. He will also not be an offensive creep, and that matters.

    But he is, at the end of the day, a believer in the neo-liberal consensus. He will run a kinder neoliberalism, but it will still be neoliberalism. He is not particularly committed to civil liberties, he was not principled opposition to Harper’s worst excesses (that was Mulcair), and there is no particular reason to believe he will make any sort of radical break from Conservative policies: he voted for a great many of them.

    The bottom line is this: Justin showed his character when he supported C51. Mulcair showed his character when went hard against it with polls showing a majority of Canadians for it (they later changed their mind, but he did what he did when it was unpopular).

    I cannot find any great confidence in Trudeau, either as an ethical man, or as an economic leader.

    http://www.ianwelsh.net/consequences-of-the-canadian-liberal-majority/

    https://twitter.com/iwelsh
12. Jan Rivers 12

    22 October 2015 at 7:33 am

    The Harper government actually changed the advice to politicians and public servants to allow them to continue to work as if there was no election period including negotiating the TPPA (aside from formal ratification), http://www.michaelgeist.ca/2015/08/canadian-government-amends-caretaker-rules-to-give-itself-power-to-continue-negotiating-tpp/

    As I understand this is a pretty dangerous change to a Westminster system convention that governments are in a caretaker role during the election campaign. It’s not possible to legislate for this arrangement of course so it has to be an issue of honour and restraint and the Harper government’s decision to continue to negotiate ‘as if there was no election campaign underway’ was pretty despicable.

    The new government has a clear mandate to roll back from what has happened over the last months to demonstrate good process and a more honourable, democratic approach to their governance. In this respect perhaps the final decisions – milk, cars, biologics for example were dealt away while the government had no real mandate might reasonably be open to renegotiation. In doing so the new government would have the opportunity to differentiate itself from the previous administration and as well as to seek a better deal.

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