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	<title>Comments on: Canadian Pension Fund&#8217;s asset-strip plan</title>
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		<title>By: insider</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/canadian-pension-funds-asset-strip-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-22936</link>
		<dc:creator>insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparantly about 57% of shareholders, excepting Manukau and Auckland CC, have agreed to CPF&#039;s offer.

Sort of putss this statement in its place

&quot;Predictions that shareholders would accept the offer to spite the Government after it intervened to tighten the law protecting strategic assets from foreign control last week have been proven wrong. Ordinary kiwi shareholders along with the Manukau and Auckland city councils (the two biggest shareholders) do not want our prime assets falling under foreign control and are happy with the good dividends the Airport has returned.&quot;

Looks like ordinary kiwi shareholders don;t really share your national pride in airport ownership if the price is right. Can&#039;t say you weren&#039;t warned</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparantly about 57% of shareholders, excepting Manukau and Auckland CC, have agreed to CPF&#8217;s offer.</p>
<p>Sort of putss this statement in its place</p>
<p>&#8220;Predictions that shareholders would accept the offer to spite the Government after it intervened to tighten the law protecting strategic assets from foreign control last week have been proven wrong. Ordinary kiwi shareholders along with the Manukau and Auckland city councils (the two biggest shareholders) do not want our prime assets falling under foreign control and are happy with the good dividends the Airport has returned.&#8221;</p>
<p>Looks like ordinary kiwi shareholders don;t really share your national pride in airport ownership if the price is right. Can&#8217;t say you weren&#8217;t warned</p>
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		<title>By: The Labour Party spin blog &#171; the Nicholas O&#8217;Kane blog</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/canadian-pension-funds-asset-strip-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-22828</link>
		<dc:creator>The Labour Party spin blog &#171; the Nicholas O&#8217;Kane blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] appears) some good lessons in dishonesty and spin from their Party bosses. Yesterday, they put up a new postabout plans from the Canadians to asset strip Auckland Airport, in order to derive hyper-dividends. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] appears) some good lessons in dishonesty and spin from their Party bosses. Yesterday, they put up a new postabout plans from the Canadians to asset strip Auckland Airport, in order to derive hyper-dividends. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: insider</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/canadian-pension-funds-asset-strip-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-22778</link>
		<dc:creator>insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No you misinterpret me. there is obviously a big divergence in the perceptions of AIA&#039;s value, whether it is sold or not. Some seem to think that is sinister. I think it is because some will see opportunities where others don;t. 

You appear to be valuing a range of emotional intangibles that aren&#039;t reflected in the share price. I think they are highly speculative and hard to quantify.

Of course it is a monopoly and attractive at a certain price. But I doubt at any price and nOw Banks is saying it has been underperforming in dividends - which is supported by the high offer price by CPF. 

The weakness in your gouging argument is that it is already a monopoly and already exploits that in its prices. There are also laws that prevent monopolies abusing market power as well as competition from overseas airports which provide a benchmark price. International airlines don&#039;t have to use Auckland. They could switch to Melbourne or Sydney or Chch if the prices in Auckland got too high, and the airlines are not slow in complaining about airport pricing as Air NZ has demonstrated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No you misinterpret me. there is obviously a big divergence in the perceptions of AIA&#8217;s value, whether it is sold or not. Some seem to think that is sinister. I think it is because some will see opportunities where others don;t. </p>
<p>You appear to be valuing a range of emotional intangibles that aren&#8217;t reflected in the share price. I think they are highly speculative and hard to quantify.</p>
<p>Of course it is a monopoly and attractive at a certain price. But I doubt at any price and nOw Banks is saying it has been underperforming in dividends &#8211; which is supported by the high offer price by CPF. </p>
<p>The weakness in your gouging argument is that it is already a monopoly and already exploits that in its prices. There are also laws that prevent monopolies abusing market power as well as competition from overseas airports which provide a benchmark price. International airlines don&#8217;t have to use Auckland. They could switch to Melbourne or Sydney or Chch if the prices in Auckland got too high, and the airlines are not slow in complaining about airport pricing as Air NZ has demonstrated.</p>
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		<title>By: the sprout</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/canadian-pension-funds-asset-strip-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-22771</link>
		<dc:creator>the sprout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>insider. your logic seems to be that things are only valuable when you sell them, and only worth what cash is relaised in a sale.

my position is that AIA is of considerable value both in and of itself, and to the broader NZ economy; while selling it would not only result in yet more profits being extracted offshore, it would also reduce control over a strategic portal for our national economy; CPF see it as the monopoly it is and willing to do almost anything it seems to get a piece of that action, after all control of a strategic assett that is also a monopoly operator is carte blanch for gouging.

i can&#039;t see that owners who have absolutely no interest in the broader impacts of AIA&#039;s operation would ever moderate their profit extraction in order to serve those broader interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>insider. your logic seems to be that things are only valuable when you sell them, and only worth what cash is relaised in a sale.</p>
<p>my position is that AIA is of considerable value both in and of itself, and to the broader NZ economy; while selling it would not only result in yet more profits being extracted offshore, it would also reduce control over a strategic portal for our national economy; CPF see it as the monopoly it is and willing to do almost anything it seems to get a piece of that action, after all control of a strategic assett that is also a monopoly operator is carte blanch for gouging.</p>
<p>i can&#8217;t see that owners who have absolutely no interest in the broader impacts of AIA&#8217;s operation would ever moderate their profit extraction in order to serve those broader interests.</p>
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		<title>By: insider</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/canadian-pension-funds-asset-strip-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-22764</link>
		<dc:creator>insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sprout your commercial logic is: these guys want to pay us more than we think this business is worth. There&#039;s somthing fishy going on here, so let&#039;s not sell it for an inflated price just in case we might be able to do the same, even though we&#039;ve not been capable of doing it before.

Brilliant. Let&#039;s chuck away heaps of money now on the possibility we might be able to make it another way, even though that is not certain.

You have also missed the Mayor of Auckland saying the board hasn&#039;t been aggressive enough in paying high dividends and he wants more. He wouldn&#039;t be suggesting asset stripping would he because Steve the economic oracle doesn&#039;t beleive you can get more out of it any other way...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sprout your commercial logic is: these guys want to pay us more than we think this business is worth. There&#8217;s somthing fishy going on here, so let&#8217;s not sell it for an inflated price just in case we might be able to do the same, even though we&#8217;ve not been capable of doing it before.</p>
<p>Brilliant. Let&#8217;s chuck away heaps of money now on the possibility we might be able to make it another way, even though that is not certain.</p>
<p>You have also missed the Mayor of Auckland saying the board hasn&#8217;t been aggressive enough in paying high dividends and he wants more. He wouldn&#8217;t be suggesting asset stripping would he because Steve the economic oracle doesn&#8217;t beleive you can get more out of it any other way&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: the sprout</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/canadian-pension-funds-asset-strip-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-22759</link>
		<dc:creator>the sprout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>insider: incomprehensible.

funny when even arch capitalist darlecks like John Banks thinks selling is a bad idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>insider: incomprehensible.</p>
<p>funny when even arch capitalist darlecks like John Banks thinks selling is a bad idea.</p>
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		<title>By: sdm</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/canadian-pension-funds-asset-strip-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-22744</link>
		<dc:creator>sdm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Steve

Looks like they are getting closer! Must have got my forms...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Steve</p>
<p>Looks like they are getting closer! Must have got my forms&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gooner</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/canadian-pension-funds-asset-strip-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-22716</link>
		<dc:creator>Gooner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve Pierson is completely wrong and is shown so yet stands by his post.

Brett Dale points out the truth and the obvious position and is called a fascist.

Unbelievable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Pierson is completely wrong and is shown so yet stands by his post.</p>
<p>Brett Dale points out the truth and the obvious position and is called a fascist.</p>
<p>Unbelievable.</p>
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		<title>By: insider</title>
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		<dc:creator>insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 04:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Sprout your idea is that the two birds in the bush that the other party might see are worth more to you than the one in you have in your hand, even though you might not actually be able to see those birds and whether you&#039;d like them, and you might not be able to catch them if you could see them, and even if you could might not be able to tame them and make use of them when you did?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Sprout your idea is that the two birds in the bush that the other party might see are worth more to you than the one in you have in your hand, even though you might not actually be able to see those birds and whether you&#8217;d like them, and you might not be able to catch them if you could see them, and even if you could might not be able to tame them and make use of them when you did?</p>
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		<title>By: James Kearney</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/canadian-pension-funds-asset-strip-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-22679</link>
		<dc:creator>James Kearney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 04:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just had a look at your blog Brett.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Guess what?, Auckland International Airport doesn&#039;t belong to the people, it doesn&#039;t belong to Little Jimmy or Little Sarah, it doesn&#039;t belong to a Local dairy farmer, or the person who cuts your hair, it doesn&#039;t belong to the little people or the big people.

IT BELONGS TO THE SHAREHOLDERS, WE ARE THE ONES WHO INVESTED IN IT, THAT IS THE MANNER OF BUSINESS.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Are you a fascist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just had a look at your blog Brett.</p>
<blockquote><p>Guess what?, Auckland International Airport doesn&#8217;t belong to the people, it doesn&#8217;t belong to Little Jimmy or Little Sarah, it doesn&#8217;t belong to a Local dairy farmer, or the person who cuts your hair, it doesn&#8217;t belong to the little people or the big people.</p>
<p>IT BELONGS TO THE SHAREHOLDERS, WE ARE THE ONES WHO INVESTED IN IT, THAT IS THE MANNER OF BUSINESS.</p></blockquote>
<p>Are you a fascist?</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Dale</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/canadian-pension-funds-asset-strip-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-22678</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope the CPF doesn&#039;t read this blog, you cannot just make things up with out some hard data and Facts, then again it doesn&#039;t stop the Green party.

I&#039;m guessing one of these days, you are going to need a very good Lawyer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope the CPF doesn&#8217;t read this blog, you cannot just make things up with out some hard data and Facts, then again it doesn&#8217;t stop the Green party.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing one of these days, you are going to need a very good Lawyer.</p>
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		<title>By: the sprout</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/canadian-pension-funds-asset-strip-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-22668</link>
		<dc:creator>the sprout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yep and it still stands that it must be a prime investment if they&#039;re willing to forego controlling interest despite seeking such a large share in the company.

perhaps that&#039;ll be National&#039;s groundbreaking new policy for any remaining SOEs it can&#039;t sell off - own the majority but surrender all control to offshore corporations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yep and it still stands that it must be a prime investment if they&#8217;re willing to forego controlling interest despite seeking such a large share in the company.</p>
<p>perhaps that&#8217;ll be National&#8217;s groundbreaking new policy for any remaining SOEs it can&#8217;t sell off &#8211; own the majority but surrender all control to offshore corporations?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Pierson</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/canadian-pension-funds-asset-strip-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-22659</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Pierson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 02:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snelly. seems you&#039;re right that the tax law change blocked these hyper-dividends, but the argument that the CPF is here to asset-strip still stands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snelly. seems you&#8217;re right that the tax law change blocked these hyper-dividends, but the argument that the CPF is here to asset-strip still stands.</p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/canadian-pension-funds-asset-strip-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-22656</link>
		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 02:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>insider,

Not a sacred cow to me, open up hobsonville as a second airport and the Canadians can have AIA....

Some times monopolies do not serve thier customers so well, so its best in my mind that those monopoly rents are at least kept in NZ, this also forces reinvestment in NZ.

Telecom
NZ Rail, two good examples of monopoly rents being sent overseas to the detriment of customers and reinvestment in production efficiency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>insider,</p>
<p>Not a sacred cow to me, open up hobsonville as a second airport and the Canadians can have AIA&#8230;.</p>
<p>Some times monopolies do not serve thier customers so well, so its best in my mind that those monopoly rents are at least kept in NZ, this also forces reinvestment in NZ.</p>
<p>Telecom<br />
NZ Rail, two good examples of monopoly rents being sent overseas to the detriment of customers and reinvestment in production efficiency.</p>
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		<title>By: Snelly Boy</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/canadian-pension-funds-asset-strip-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-22651</link>
		<dc:creator>Snelly Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 02:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to kill the discussion but this is old hat.

The Canadians hoped to extract these so called hyper dividends by taking advantage of a well known tax loophole.

This is the loophole that Cullen and Dunne shut down nearly 2 weeks ago.  So the hyper dividend debate is dead.  That&#039;s why O&#039;Sullivan says in her article the Canadians WON&#039;T be getting this benefit.

Despite this the Canadians decided to plug on which forced Cullen to then change the overseas investment rules last week.

Where&#039;ve you been?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to kill the discussion but this is old hat.</p>
<p>The Canadians hoped to extract these so called hyper dividends by taking advantage of a well known tax loophole.</p>
<p>This is the loophole that Cullen and Dunne shut down nearly 2 weeks ago.  So the hyper dividend debate is dead.  That&#8217;s why O&#8217;Sullivan says in her article the Canadians WON&#8217;T be getting this benefit.</p>
<p>Despite this the Canadians decided to plug on which forced Cullen to then change the overseas investment rules last week.</p>
<p>Where&#8217;ve you been?</p>
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