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	<title>Comments on: Capital market taskforce pushes asset sales scam</title>
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		<title>By: Kirsten</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/capital-markets-taskforce-report/comment-page-1/#comment-179954</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See my comments above.  Our increases in trade with different countries has directly followed the establishment of air services.  Just like the advent of refridgerated ships to carry lamb to the UK led to substantial economic growth in NZ, the establishment of regular flights to Japan and South America enabled, for example, the kiwifruit boom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See my comments above.  Our increases in trade with different countries has directly followed the establishment of air services.  Just like the advent of refridgerated ships to carry lamb to the UK led to substantial economic growth in NZ, the establishment of regular flights to Japan and South America enabled, for example, the kiwifruit boom.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirsten</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/capital-markets-taskforce-report/comment-page-1/#comment-179953</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Public Private Partnerships - as proposed by the current government for schools.  This will mean we sell off education land to a private company who will build a school (financed privately at greater cost as the Government can actually get better rates than the private sector) and then lease back the school to the government and charge for school maintenance.  

Of course for this to be attractive to the private &quot;partner&quot; they will need to factor in a decent wodge of our taxpayer dollars as profit.  After around 30 years the State will be able to take ownership of what by that time will be a clapped out facility  in a location that may or may not still need a school.  

Of course some time in that 30 year period the private &quot;partner&quot;&#039;s shareholders may decide they want to move their capital elsewhere and owenership of what should be the centre of a community will be up for grabs.  Or, as is just as likely, the &quot;partner&quot; may at some point end up in financial schtook and the shareholders may want to extract maximum benefit from their asset before the company folds - leaving the State to pick up the pieces.  This is what has happened in some very high profile cases in the UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Public Private Partnerships &#8211; as proposed by the current government for schools.  This will mean we sell off education land to a private company who will build a school (financed privately at greater cost as the Government can actually get better rates than the private sector) and then lease back the school to the government and charge for school maintenance.  </p>
<p>Of course for this to be attractive to the private &#8220;partner&#8221; they will need to factor in a decent wodge of our taxpayer dollars as profit.  After around 30 years the State will be able to take ownership of what by that time will be a clapped out facility  in a location that may or may not still need a school.  </p>
<p>Of course some time in that 30 year period the private &#8220;partner&#8221;&#8216;s shareholders may decide they want to move their capital elsewhere and owenership of what should be the centre of a community will be up for grabs.  Or, as is just as likely, the &#8220;partner&#8221; may at some point end up in financial schtook and the shareholders may want to extract maximum benefit from their asset before the company folds &#8211; leaving the State to pick up the pieces.  This is what has happened in some very high profile cases in the UK.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirsten</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/capital-markets-taskforce-report/comment-page-1/#comment-179948</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also because of its strategic importance to our geographically isolated country - our trade with Japan rose only after sufficient flight services were put in place.  Likewise South America.

And actually quite a few countries have stakes in their national airlines - Air France etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also because of its strategic importance to our geographically isolated country &#8211; our trade with Japan rose only after sufficient flight services were put in place.  Likewise South America.</p>
<p>And actually quite a few countries have stakes in their national airlines &#8211; Air France etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirsten</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/capital-markets-taskforce-report/comment-page-1/#comment-179947</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All governments (like all households) run with a level of debt they feel comfortable with - this is a capitalist world after all.  The amount of government borrowing may sound impressive but actually it is proportionally much lower than pretty much all of Europe, the UK, Australia, the US, Canada....So, not quite time to sell the family silver quite yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All governments (like all households) run with a level of debt they feel comfortable with &#8211; this is a capitalist world after all.  The amount of government borrowing may sound impressive but actually it is proportionally much lower than pretty much all of Europe, the UK, Australia, the US, Canada&#8230;.So, not quite time to sell the family silver quite yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirsten</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/capital-markets-taskforce-report/comment-page-1/#comment-179945</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice assertion but unfortunately not actually backed up by the facts.  Most public services were created because of market failure - the failure of the private sector to be able to provide these services at a sufficient standard to support social and economic development.  

Public infrastructure (clean water, roading, waste disposal, public education, health and social services etc.) weren&#039;t established because of ideology but because the market failed to provide for them adequately and governments recognised that they were esstential for social and economic development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice assertion but unfortunately not actually backed up by the facts.  Most public services were created because of market failure &#8211; the failure of the private sector to be able to provide these services at a sufficient standard to support social and economic development.  </p>
<p>Public infrastructure (clean water, roading, waste disposal, public education, health and social services etc.) weren&#8217;t established because of ideology but because the market failed to provide for them adequately and governments recognised that they were esstential for social and economic development.</p>
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		<title>By: prism</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/capital-markets-taskforce-report/comment-page-1/#comment-179498</link>
		<dc:creator>prism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sounds like that guy Prebble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sounds like that guy Prebble.</p>
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		<title>By: Lanthanide</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/capital-markets-taskforce-report/comment-page-1/#comment-179494</link>
		<dc:creator>Lanthanide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah Palin is only in politics for the money, so probably not a good idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah Palin is only in politics for the money, so probably not a good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Julio</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/capital-markets-taskforce-report/comment-page-1/#comment-179490</link>
		<dc:creator>Julio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &#039;World Socialist Web Site&#039; is hardly a credible source. The guy who writes their NZ stuff, John Braddock, is just a typical trot with an axe to grind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8216;World Socialist Web Site&#8217; is hardly a credible source. The guy who writes their NZ stuff, John Braddock, is just a typical trot with an axe to grind.</p>
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		<title>By: kelsey</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/capital-markets-taskforce-report/comment-page-1/#comment-179487</link>
		<dc:creator>kelsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 07:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incorrect.

Michael Cullen was a significant cause of the collapse by vetoing an increase in Singapore Air&#039;s minority stake because he preferred it to be bought out by Qantas and have a single Australasian carrier.

When that fell through he was left with little choice.

Source:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/nov2001/nz-n03.shtml

Knowledge changes things, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incorrect.</p>
<p>Michael Cullen was a significant cause of the collapse by vetoing an increase in Singapore Air&#8217;s minority stake because he preferred it to be bought out by Qantas and have a single Australasian carrier.</p>
<p>When that fell through he was left with little choice.</p>
<p>Source:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/nov2001/nz-n03.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/nov2001/nz-n03.shtml</a></p>
<p>Knowledge changes things, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: gitmo</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/capital-markets-taskforce-report/comment-page-1/#comment-179478</link>
		<dc:creator>gitmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you taking issue with my meteorism ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you taking issue with my meteorism ?</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/capital-markets-taskforce-report/comment-page-1/#comment-179475</link>
		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 05:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;i&gt;generally to thick&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Priceless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>generally to thick</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Priceless.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/capital-markets-taskforce-report/comment-page-1/#comment-179472</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 05:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That really &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; shoddy fifth former work.

For instance they could have left out the speech marks and instead said:

&quot;... financial system profitability downsizing...&quot;

&quot;...recent monetary redistribution events...&quot;

and so on. Or done the old &quot;it&#039;s actually all &lt;i&gt;your&lt;/i&gt; fault but we&#039;re not going to say so directly&quot; trick and said:

&quot;...profitability failure by key stakeholders...&quot;

&quot;...failure of market forecasts to align with outcomes...&quot;

Better yet, just get Sarah Palin to write the next one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That really <i>is</i> shoddy fifth former work.</p>
<p>For instance they could have left out the speech marks and instead said:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; financial system profitability downsizing&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;recent monetary redistribution events&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>and so on. Or done the old &#8220;it&#8217;s actually all <i>your</i> fault but we&#8217;re not going to say so directly&#8221; trick and said:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;profitability failure by key stakeholders&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;failure of market forecasts to align with outcomes&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Better yet, just get Sarah Palin to write the next one.</p>
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		<title>By: Herodotus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herodotus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 04:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So from what I understand we list govt asets to boast the sharemakets size allow overseas investment (As many mums &amp; dads cannot afford to buy shares). So we take from NZ and send the profits off shore. How will that effect or current account?
And what happens when a capital fund takes over majority ownership or a controlling interest?
Was there not a film made about this dumb and dumber?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So from what I understand we list govt asets to boast the sharemakets size allow overseas investment (As many mums &amp; dads cannot afford to buy shares). So we take from NZ and send the profits off shore. How will that effect or current account?<br />
And what happens when a capital fund takes over majority ownership or a controlling interest?<br />
Was there not a film made about this dumb and dumber?</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/capital-markets-taskforce-report/comment-page-1/#comment-179469</link>
		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 04:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re absolutely right, tsmithfield - the govt should&#039;ve compulsorily renationalised the rail network (for a fair price determined by themselves) without negotiation.

It&#039;s a public asset, bought and paid for by the taxes of generations of New Zealanders and no govt was ever in a position to sell it.

Same for all the rest of them.

Not yours to sell. Hands off.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right, tsmithfield &#8211; the govt should&#8217;ve compulsorily renationalised the rail network (for a fair price determined by themselves) without negotiation.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a public asset, bought and paid for by the taxes of generations of New Zealanders and no govt was ever in a position to sell it.</p>
<p>Same for all the rest of them.</p>
<p>Not yours to sell. Hands off.<br />
.</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/capital-markets-taskforce-report/comment-page-1/#comment-179467</link>
		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 04:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We simply turn away from you to inhale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We simply turn away from you to inhale.</p>
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