Caregivers in equal pay spotlight

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1. weka 1

   25 June 2013 at 12:47 am

   Great to see this case going ahead, and getting some discussion on the standard.

   However, this is not just the union’s view. It is envisaged in section 3(1)(b) of the Equal Pay Act, which says that in female-dominated occupations the Employment Court needs to assess what a male worker would be paid for the same skills, responsibility, service and degree of effort if the gender segmentation did not exist

   How does one go about assessing that? I assume that this has been worked out in other sectors and/or overseas? What is happening in this case? is the union asking for a specific amount?
2. Daveo 2

   25 June 2013 at 12:58 am

   I love that John must have written this after a 30 hour flight from Geneva followed by a full day in court. Do you ever sleep, John?
   • lprent 2.1

     25 June 2013 at 7:14 am

     I was having a problem adding a new user (turned out to be a old plugin), so he didn’t have edit access.

     He sent it on Sunday with an embargo until Monday 7pm, so I put it up for him after I got home last night and fixed the login problem.
3. locus 3

   25 June 2013 at 2:05 am

   This is the kind of country we live in.

   – Private elderly-care companies paying their workers $3.70 an hour less than public elderly care workers are paid

   Private elderly-care companies lifting annual profits by 17% to 120m, paying only 9m in tax, and yet dishing out 24c profit per share for their shareholders

   – Private elderly-care companies funded by public sector DHBs, who have no concern that the company they’re contracting pays 20% lower wages for the same work than the public sector

   Do we really want this to continue?
4. Gosman 4

   25 June 2013 at 5:33 am

   Which industry are they comparing themselves to then?
   • lprent 4.1

     25 June 2013 at 7:20 am

     Women in the Healthcare and Social Assistance sector last year earned $11.63 less on average an hour than men, according to Statistics New Zealand figures

     http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10880051
     • Judith Aitken 4.1.1

       27 June 2013 at 9:34 am

       This is an intolerable situation for those workers and all the worse because without their willingness to care for others none of the existing social service organisations and agencies could cope.

       The extremely low pay for carers not only lacks any sense of respect for them – it also demonstrates little compassion or respect for those they look after.

       There is a growing population of dependent, frail and very old people in our community and it is critical – and urgent – that we start rewarding fairly and adequately all those who care for them at home or in institutions. The very old have no voice; those who look after have very litte voice – the rest of us have to champion their just cause.
   • One Anonymous Knucklehead 4.2

     25 June 2013 at 8:28 am

     Did you see the part of the post that says “the Employment Court needs to assess what a male worker would be paid for the same skills, responsibility, service and degree of effort if the gender segmentation did not exist”?

     So your question should be: “Which industry will the court compare them to then?”
     • Tamati 4.2.1

       25 June 2013 at 11:08 am

       Hospital orderlies perhaps?

       Generally a male dominated job, but somewhat similar role. No idea how much they get paid!
       • QoT 4.2.1.1

         25 June 2013 at 5:02 pm

         According to the 3News coverage of the case, Health Care Assistants are paid around $18.
5. Descendant Of Sssmith 5

   25 June 2013 at 7:18 am

   The government(via DHB’s) has previously argued that the funding provided to the private sector for this work is funded at the same hourly rate as the state pays plus some admin.

   It’s the lazy man’s way of increasing productivity by simply dropping wages and the taking of profit that has resulted in the lower wages in the private sector.

   It’s somewhat interesting the the private sector is supposed to be more efficient. More efficient to me says lower overheads and consequently the ability to actually pay the staff higher rates from the same amount of funding.

   It’s amazing how crappy business is in this country.

   A monkey can “lift productivity” by lowering wages.

   Unsure what the current rate is that the DHB funds at but what I would say is that profit when it comes to caring for old people is simply deadweight.

   My daughter worked for Ryman after leaving school and left to clean toilets because she got a $1 something an hour pay increase plus some other perks. There was a big difference between having to deal with patients with dementia, showering and cleaning soiled people with dignity, coping with people with serious illnesses and building relationships with old people who may be dead the next morning when you go to work and cleaning toilets.

   It’s sad that these companies value this work so poorly.

   Seems to me we can lift wages in that sector simply by removing the private sector and taking the work back.

   The thing about the private sector is that it’s demands are insatiable for money and profit and it’s promises are generally full of crap.

   Give us tax cuts we’ll employ more people – you got tax cuts and you didn’t. You simply took more profit. You lied.

   Give us more state jobs and we’ll save money. You took the jobs and you took more profit. You lied.

   Give us your state assets and we save customers money. You took the assets and took more profit. You lied.
   • quartz 5.1

     25 June 2013 at 7:34 am

     My wife worked in as a aged care workers years ago. It wasn’t so much the blood shit and tears that she struggled with as the deaths, particularly suicides (the high rate of which is one of the dirty secrets of the aged care industry).

     Paid close to minimum wage for a job where you never know when you’re going to find someone you know and like in the bath with slit wrists or hanging from the door-frame. Fuck that.
   • rosy 5.2

     25 June 2013 at 8:11 am

     Thanks DoS – exactly what I think.
   • weka 5.3

     25 June 2013 at 10:30 am

     “The government(via DHB’s) has previously argued that the funding provided to the private sector for this work is funded at the same hourly rate as the state pays plus some admin.”

     Not sure how it works for the DHB, but the MoH funding for homehelp and personal cares (showering etc, but not medical) is in the region of $23 – $25/hr. When they give that to the agencies, the workers get paid in that $14/hr bracket. So for every hour that is worked/funded the agencies take approx $10 or around 40%. Someone who knows business can tell me if that makes sense, but it seems very high to me and it’s hard to understand where the money goes. As well as shareholder payouts, I’d be looking at the salaries of the CEOs. In some cases these are big companies, and in the case of the recent contract losses for Presbyterian Support in the Southern DHB area, some of those contracts went to an Australian company.
6. chas 6

   25 June 2013 at 9:04 am

   The Servos as always at the vanguard of fighting against poverty , inequality and ind injustice. Go hard and WIN!
7. gsays 7

   25 June 2013 at 9:39 am

   this seems to me to be a chance of a not for profit business model.
   profits that would be generated are returned in the form of decent wages and conditions.

   because of the classic capatilist business structure if you wanted higher wages for staff then you would have to pay more for mum and dads care.

   for this to occur maybe nationalize the assetes and then return them for use at a local level. (rather than a few, multi national, profit driven companies)

   i am sure there are tertiary educated, brighter minds than me who can describe this better than i have.
   • Arandar 7.1

     25 June 2013 at 10:14 am

     Gsays, I agree – except I don’t think we need to nationalise the existing businesses. In fact, I don’t think we should. Let them deal with the consequences of their own business model.

     We simply need to set up ‘in competition’ – isn’t that what the right so admires and encourages? – state of the art accommodation, excellent staff training, qualifications rewarded by excellent wages and conditions.

     We know the state can do this sort of thing very well indeed, and at cost.

     Watch the elderly (a rapidly increasing demographic of which I am one) and their concerned families flock to the residential villages and rest homes where the whole operation is best practice and the funding is transparent.
8. Rosetinted 8

   25 June 2013 at 9:51 am

   ” help reduce the lack of progress on closing our male-female wage gap.”
   Doesn’t this understate the reality? It is my impression that a large majority of female workers are losing parity with men’s pay on the scale that is used for measuring the comparison (apart from those at CEO and upper management level and even then their pay may be hundreds of thousands down on men’s).
9. Tamati 9

   25 June 2013 at 11:15 am

   Aged care companies profiting at the expense of their residents and staff?

   You’re Dreaming!

   http://nz.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=RYM.NZ#symbol=rym.nz;range=my;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;

   The share price has increased 100x over the last ten years!
10. Delia 10

    28 June 2013 at 3:49 pm

    It is pure exploitation, slave labour and while we are discussing it -it was bought to Helen Clark and Cullen’s attention over and over again and nothing was done. I doubt it will be. The mainly women will not strike and leave their charges (which is what needs to happen nationwide). Being an ex nurse I understand that. However, nothing else has worked. Begging successive govts did not work.

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