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		<title>By: George D</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/catcha-cray/comment-page-1/#comment-163510</link>
		<dc:creator>George D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 06:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Police have enough things to do, IMO. People expect them to chase burglars. I can&#039;t remember them as &#039;designated agents&#039;, but I&#039;m not sure on that matter.

 SPCA and MAF on the other hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Police have enough things to do, IMO. People expect them to chase burglars. I can&#8217;t remember them as &#8216;designated agents&#8217;, but I&#8217;m not sure on that matter.</p>
<p> SPCA and MAF on the other hand.</p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/catcha-cray/comment-page-1/#comment-163447</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 02:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the police...... who have more resources than either MAF or the SPCA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the police&#8230;&#8230; who have more resources than either MAF or the SPCA</p>
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		<title>By: George D</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/catcha-cray/comment-page-1/#comment-163444</link>
		<dc:creator>George D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 02:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rocky, this is a worthwhile issue. But I would have thought that being burned alive was the most significant cause of suffering to crayfish in New Zealand. I don&#039;t really get SAFE&#039;s strategies.

I also think that a campaign needs to be launched &lt;i&gt;against&lt;/i&gt; the SPCA and MAF, for their consistent failure to prosecute animal welfare issues. In this case, as with many others, the law is pretty clear. s29 (c) and (h) cover this - being the sections that relate to the abuse of animals for entertainment purposes.

Short of an amendment to the law allowing for other parties to launch prosecutions (which won&#039;t happen under this Government, and I&#039;m not confident of the next), causing the SPCA and MAF pain and embarrassment seems to be the only way to achieve a more consistent implementation of the AWA (which is a pretty good Act, in theory). When they realise that they have a job to do, things might improve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rocky, this is a worthwhile issue. But I would have thought that being burned alive was the most significant cause of suffering to crayfish in New Zealand. I don&#8217;t really get SAFE&#8217;s strategies.</p>
<p>I also think that a campaign needs to be launched <i>against</i> the SPCA and MAF, for their consistent failure to prosecute animal welfare issues. In this case, as with many others, the law is pretty clear. s29 (c) and (h) cover this &#8211; being the sections that relate to the abuse of animals for entertainment purposes.</p>
<p>Short of an amendment to the law allowing for other parties to launch prosecutions (which won&#8217;t happen under this Government, and I&#8217;m not confident of the next), causing the SPCA and MAF pain and embarrassment seems to be the only way to achieve a more consistent implementation of the AWA (which is a pretty good Act, in theory). When they realise that they have a job to do, things might improve.</p>
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		<title>By: Eclipse</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/catcha-cray/comment-page-1/#comment-163399</link>
		<dc:creator>Eclipse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 00:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gomango:

Near as I can tell from the news reports, the manufacturer of the games was visited by an SPCA inspector before the release of the machines, and said he was happy with the R&amp;D and effects of the machine on the crays. The SPCA has responded that Catcha Cray were unwise to take this as an endorsement, describing it as an &#039;off-hand comment.&#039; Much as I dislike the game, it&#039;s a bit worrying that the SPCA is describing people who act on the advice of their officers as naive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gomango:</p>
<p>Near as I can tell from the news reports, the manufacturer of the games was visited by an SPCA inspector before the release of the machines, and said he was happy with the R&amp;D and effects of the machine on the crays. The SPCA has responded that Catcha Cray were unwise to take this as an endorsement, describing it as an &#8216;off-hand comment.&#8217; Much as I dislike the game, it&#8217;s a bit worrying that the SPCA is describing people who act on the advice of their officers as naive.</p>
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		<title>By: gomango</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/catcha-cray/comment-page-1/#comment-163396</link>
		<dc:creator>gomango</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 00:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what&#039;s the background story to this comment?

&lt;i&gt;While the Catcha Cray manufacturers initially boasted that the SPCA were fine with the machines (due to one moron inspector, Tod Neal)&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what&#8217;s the background story to this comment?</p>
<p><i>While the Catcha Cray manufacturers initially boasted that the SPCA were fine with the machines (due to one moron inspector, Tod Neal)</i></p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/catcha-cray/comment-page-1/#comment-163383</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing that I&#039;ve seen (pretty much the usual). However I haven&#039;t been watching the news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing that I&#8217;ve seen (pretty much the usual). However I haven&#8217;t been watching the news.</p>
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		<title>By: Tigger</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/catcha-cray/comment-page-1/#comment-163380</link>
		<dc:creator>Tigger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What has the government said about this?  Couldn&#039;t find anything so far...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What has the government said about this?  Couldn&#8217;t find anything so far&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tiger Mountain</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/catcha-cray/comment-page-1/#comment-163026</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiger Mountain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 06:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Direct action anyone? What is it with some watering holes, dwarf throwing, wifebeater Wednesdays, and now Cray torturing. A small sledgehammer might just be the fashion accessory for that next happy hour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Direct action anyone? What is it with some watering holes, dwarf throwing, wifebeater Wednesdays, and now Cray torturing. A small sledgehammer might just be the fashion accessory for that next happy hour.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/catcha-cray/comment-page-1/#comment-163013</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 03:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first thought when I read this was that NZ must rank as one of the most over-regulated (in terms of personal behaviour) and over-Policed countries in the world, yet there&#039;s no law to &lt;i&gt;automatically&lt;/i&gt; forbid this vile practice, let alone a willingness to prrosecute under the laws we &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; have?

When willing and supposedly intelligent humans want to strap on sumo suits, be catapaulted into velcro walls or ride a mechanical bull in a pub, there&#039;s busybodies galore telling the operators what they can and cannot do.

Go a step further and try to run an &quot;extreme fighting&quot; event, again involving people fully cognisant of the risks, and you might as well be suggesting capturing people and burning them alive such is the outcry.

Yet we&#039;re free to inflict this kind of sickening sadism on a sentient creature and the Police can&#039;t be bothered putting down their radar guns and tazers long enough to mount a prosecution?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first thought when I read this was that NZ must rank as one of the most over-regulated (in terms of personal behaviour) and over-Policed countries in the world, yet there&#8217;s no law to <i>automatically</i> forbid this vile practice, let alone a willingness to prrosecute under the laws we <i>do</i> have?</p>
<p>When willing and supposedly intelligent humans want to strap on sumo suits, be catapaulted into velcro walls or ride a mechanical bull in a pub, there&#8217;s busybodies galore telling the operators what they can and cannot do.</p>
<p>Go a step further and try to run an &#8220;extreme fighting&#8221; event, again involving people fully cognisant of the risks, and you might as well be suggesting capturing people and burning them alive such is the outcry.</p>
<p>Yet we&#8217;re free to inflict this kind of sickening sadism on a sentient creature and the Police can&#8217;t be bothered putting down their radar guns and tazers long enough to mount a prosecution?!</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Dale</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/catcha-cray/comment-page-1/#comment-163005</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 01:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heck even some Restaurants have stopped the practice of customers choosing their lobsters/crays that are swimming in a tank.

But this is just sick, hopefully the SAFE campaign will work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heck even some Restaurants have stopped the practice of customers choosing their lobsters/crays that are swimming in a tank.</p>
<p>But this is just sick, hopefully the SAFE campaign will work.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Shumway</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/catcha-cray/comment-page-1/#comment-163003</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Shumway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 01:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disgusting.  Never knew such a thing existed so thanks for raising awareness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disgusting.  Never knew such a thing existed so thanks for raising awareness.</p>
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		<title>By: travellerev</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/catcha-cray/comment-page-1/#comment-162989</link>
		<dc:creator>travellerev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 21:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>disgusting</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>disgusting</p>
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		<title>By: the sprout</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/catcha-cray/comment-page-1/#comment-162987</link>
		<dc:creator>the sprout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 21:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a very sick practice. amazing it&#039;s been allowed at any level really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a very sick practice. amazing it&#8217;s been allowed at any level really.</p>
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		<title>By: rocky</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/catcha-cray/comment-page-1/#comment-162980</link>
		<dc:creator>rocky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 20:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, but I can&#039;t think of a case under the Animal Welfare Act that the police have prosecuted. That&#039;s despite them being one of the three bodies authorised to take prosecutions under the Act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, but I can&#8217;t think of a case under the Animal Welfare Act that the police have prosecuted. That&#8217;s despite them being one of the three bodies authorised to take prosecutions under the Act.</p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/catcha-cray/comment-page-1/#comment-162979</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 19:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Urggh that is revolting. What kind of people would &#039;hunt&#039; in that way? What kind of propieter would let it happen? That ranks with other sports  like cock and dog fighting. 

Perhaps this is an opportunity for the police to use their powers under the act? After all they deal with the pubs at the times this is going on?It would be a good exercise for them to exercise their powers under the act. Sort of a toe in the water in something that so clearly violates the act, and which relieves the pressure on the over worked SPCA inspectors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Urggh that is revolting. What kind of people would &#8216;hunt&#8217; in that way? What kind of propieter would let it happen? That ranks with other sports  like cock and dog fighting. </p>
<p>Perhaps this is an opportunity for the police to use their powers under the act? After all they deal with the pubs at the times this is going on?It would be a good exercise for them to exercise their powers under the act. Sort of a toe in the water in something that so clearly violates the act, and which relieves the pressure on the over worked SPCA inspectors.</p>
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