Catching up with Key

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You can only bungle and lie for so long before people get sick of it. Tracy Watkins is a loyal Key fan, she’s trying to warn him:

John Key burning up political capital following Edward Snowden revelations
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The bluster and bravado is also a side to Key that is growing increasingly familiar. It is founded in National’s firm belief that the public will buy his version of events over the media or his opponents any day.

Given his ongoing popularity National’s confidence in Key’s huge store of political capital helping it ride out controversy is justifiable. But political capital is not limitless. And Key has become increasingly cavalier about squandering it on silly stuff.
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Nobody likes being wrong, of course, and especially in politics when the stakes are much higher.But it seems to be the curse of all third-term prime ministers that they eventually come to believe they are infallible.

Matthew Hooton is a true blue Nat, but seems to have mood swings when it comes to Key. His piece in the yesterday’s NBR (paywalled) is apparently pretty brutal:

https://twitter.com/MatthewHootonNZ/status/576128548001353728

Or consider this piece from yesterday’s Panel on RNZ. Steve McCabe spends 3 minutes laying in to Key:

I’m really concerned about a man that reneges on promises that are so easy to make, about resigning if something turns out to be true, when it does, suddenly saying – yeah, actually that’s going to be a bit awkward really, I’m not going to bother after all. And then he starts splitting hairs and semanticing his way out of the promise that he made. And it just disappoints me beyond belief.
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Why is he still Prime Minister? It’s been seven years, three terms, three elections – why is New Zealand still voting this man in to power?

Seems like it’s all starting to catch up with Key at last.

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  1. Michael 1
    14 March 2015 at 8:51 am

    I have definitely noticed a change particularly in the way the MSM has been reporting.

  2. Lanthanide 2
    14 March 2015 at 8:59 am

    When Key promised to resign if surveillance was happening, Greenwald, Hager et al should have done a rush job to get the proof out. If they had struck while the iron was hot, it would have been very embarrassing for Key. I’m not sure if he actually would have resigned, but the GCSB bill was being debated at the time, and an obvious lie like that in front of the public so far ahead of the election would have tarnished his image.

    • Draco T Bastard 2.1
      14 March 2015 at 9:28 am

      I’m not sure if he actually would have resigned, but the GCSB bill was being debated at the time, and an obvious lie like that in front of the public so far ahead of the election would have tarnished his image.

      He wouldn’t have but, yeah, if the latest information had come out then then we would probably not have a National government now.

    • Colonial Rawshark 2.2
      14 March 2015 at 9:43 am

      When Key promised to resign if surveillance was happening, Greenwald, Hager et al should have done a rush job to get the proof out.

      Thing is that these guys are into considered, methodical reporting, and for better or worse, they don’t play the day to day or week to week media cycle game.

      • fisiani 2.2.1
        14 March 2015 at 11:28 am

        The only flaw in the argument is that Honest John NEVER promised to resign if surveillance was happening. Surveillance of some sort for some people has always been happening. Always. Good try to smear Honest John but complete face palm.Must try harder.

        • freedom 2.2.1.1
          14 March 2015 at 11:48 am

          Bit odd that Honest John himself refutes your lame claim

          Question: You’ve said you’ll resign if there’s mass surveillance by the GCSB.

          NZ PM John Key: Yep

          http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1503/S00076/john-key-on-mass-collection-versus-mass-surveillance.htm

          • fisiani 2.2.1.1.1
            14 March 2015 at 11:54 am

            Read my comment and the main post again sunshine. Spot any reference to “mass”. Honest John is correct. There is no mass surveillance.

            • Lanthanide 2.2.1.1.1.1
              14 March 2015 at 11:56 am

              Just how ‘mass’ does ‘mass surveillance’ need to be, fisi? Can you give us a concrete number?

              190,000 NZers holiday in the Pacific Islands every year.

              • fisiani …
                14 March 2015 at 12:12 pm

                Probably the same number as the number of angels who can dance on a pinhead.

                • Lanthanide …
                  14 March 2015 at 12:13 pm

                  Right, so you’re not actually being serious, and admit that you’re just deflecting. Got it.

                  • hoom …
                    15 March 2015 at 12:08 pm

                    Say someone copies your Hard Drive, puts it all in a database, runs it through a program automatically categorising, making associations with various code words/other people & indexing so that it can be easily searched.

                    If nobody actually searches the database in a way that brings up your stuff, have you been spied on or not?

                    • Lanthanide …
                      15 March 2015 at 1:33 pm

                      “If nobody actually searches the database in a way that brings up your stuff, have you been spied on or not?”

                      I personally might not have been. But the fact the database exists, and the search was run, suggests that *someone’s* data was brought up.

                      So maybe I wasn’t “spied on”, but someone else was. Likely this will be “many” someones, rather than just a few individuals (or they would have just spied on those individuals directly, right?), hence mass surveillance.

                      And, personally, I don’t really care if I am spied on. I don’t think there is anything interesting or remarkable about my life in the slightest. But that doesn’t mean I support mass surveillance either.

            • freedom 2.2.1.1.1.2
              14 March 2015 at 12:03 pm

              So … the mass collection is just collection and it is not mass surveillance because the data collected is only looked at (i.e: surveilled) one bit at a time

              – that is a fair assessment of your reasoning isn’t it fisiani ?

            • Draco T Bastard 2.2.1.1.1.3
              14 March 2015 at 12:10 pm

              Wow, the RWNJs really do go to extreme lengths and twisting of words to defend their unethical, irresponsible and lying leaders don’t they?

            • Tracey 2.2.1.1.1.4
              14 March 2015 at 4:24 pm

              ” Honest John NEVER promised to resign if surveillance was happening”
              Fisiani

              ” Question: You’ve said you’ll resign if there’s mass surveillance by the GCSB.

              NZ PM John Key: Yep “

        • Leftie 2.2.1.2
          14 March 2015 at 2:20 pm

          @ fisiani. Who is the ” honest John” you are referring to?

          Tripping over his own lies on a daily basis, John key is the most dishonest, most deceitful, and most untrustworthy PM and politician this country has ever seen.

          • fisiani 2.2.1.2.1
            14 March 2015 at 3:10 pm

            This is a common and persistent delusion of the Left. Congruent dissonance. Do you hear voices? No matter how many posts try to allege what you have done it fails to fit with the patently obvious reality of the most honest, truthful and trustworthy PM and politician this country has ever seen.
            You seem to believe that your viewpoint is accurate. It’s not. It’s a minority delusional belief. Honest John swept to power in 2008 dislodging the despised previous regime. He held power in 2011 and further gained in 2014 almost achieving an unheard of parliamentary majority.
            Do not worry. Your delusional state will probably not last. Being of the Centre and clearly not of the Right and sharing the opinions of the majority of New Zealand he and I look forward to the Golden Years of prosperity that lie ahead.

            • rawshark-yeshe 2.2.1.2.1.1
              14 March 2015 at 3:58 pm

              @fizzy …where can I buy that great stuff you must be smoking ?? It’s beyond simply hallucinating reality ….. would love to believe we have years of golden prosperity ahead of us .. so fizzy, where can I buy it, or do you just stick it in and smoke it ?

            • Tracey 2.2.1.2.1.2
              14 March 2015 at 4:28 pm

              “Honest John NEVER promised to resign if surveillance was happening. ” Fisiani

              ” Question: You’ve said you’ll resign if there’s mass surveillance by the GCSB.

              NZ PM John Key: Yep “

              • fisiani …
                14 March 2015 at 4:32 pm

                Surely you can spot the missing word. Have another look. Go on. I reckon you will find it. Clue : rhymes with class.
                No one is claiming that our intelligence service has stopped working.

            • aj 2.2.1.2.1.3
              14 March 2015 at 4:46 pm

              ” Congruent dissonance”

              lol

              That’s a psychological condition I don’t think any of us have heard of, bud. You need to get your psychological phenomenon right

            • North 2.2.1.2.1.4
              14 March 2015 at 11:18 pm

              “Congruent” Fizzy Anus ? “Cognitive” maybe ? But who could expect a weirdly zealous worshipper at the temple of TheGodKey to have half a notion of “cognition” ? Would you kill for your god Fizzy ?

              • Rodel …
                15 March 2015 at 12:11 pm

                Congruent dissonance is an oxymoron

                congruent (adjective) – in harmony:
                dissonance – (noun_) -lack of harmony

                oxymoron (noun)a figure of speech in which apparently contradictory terms appear in conjunction (from oxumōros ‘ pointedly foolish.’)
                oxy- denoting sharpness:
                moron (informal ) -a medical term denoting an adult with a mental age of about 8–12)

                Omit the ‘oxy’ part and just leave it at moron.

                Oh and BTW real New Zealanders rhyme class with arse! Not ‘ass’ which is the American pronunciation.

            • Grace Miller 2.2.1.2.1.5
              15 March 2015 at 9:48 am

              What a sad troll. Keep taking the meds, fisi. You obviously need them, on Planet Key. This venal, self-serving liar is sadly, our PM.

        • b waghorn 2.2.1.3
          14 March 2015 at 5:22 pm

          @ fisi Look you delusional little fuck wit no one in this country thinks key is honest so find a better argument or fuck off you horrible little fuck stain.

          • fisiani 2.2.1.3.1
            14 March 2015 at 9:16 pm

            What we’re not prepared to accept are pointless personal attacks, or tone or language that has the effect of excluding others.

            It seems that Policy only applies to dissenters.

            • One Anonymous Bloke 2.2.1.3.1.1
              14 March 2015 at 10:23 pm

              Obviously you missed the point of the comment. Even media shills are openly questioning “honest John”‘s bona fides. You are being invited to find a better argument, and failing that, to change the sheets.

              I may have that last part wrong.

            • North 2.2.1.3.1.2
              14 March 2015 at 11:23 pm

              Oh Oh Oh Oh how noble and proper of you Fizzy Anus ! “Exclusion……” you cry ? Like you give a fuck about anything other than that ponce you beatify so outlandishly…….

            • b waghorn 2.2.1.3.1.3
              15 March 2015 at 7:43 am

              It was my personal view that you fuck off ,I in no way was suggesting you be banned . My only shame is that I let you’re pathetic baiting get the reaction that you probably aim to get.

              • fisiani …
                15 March 2015 at 1:05 pm

                I do not indulge in baiting. I merely give an opinion. How is that baiting? Do you understand the difference between infer and imply? You are inferring baiting.
                Given that my opinions are so accurate so often and contradictory to your own I can understand if you choose to debate. I welcome healthy debate. Do the posters and moderators agree with your abuse and foul mouthed efforts to stop me posting? It appears so. No one is calling you out thus implying that others can dish out abuse with impunity.
                I do not agree that John Key’s popularity is on the wane. Ebb and flow does not mark the tide going out. Look at the big picture. I see John Key having six or more terms if he wishes no matter what happens in Northland, no matter what rubbish Hager writes.
                Can you handle that opinion?

                • b waghorn …
                  15 March 2015 at 1:47 pm

                  At least you didn’t call key honest. I’m fully aware that he’s popular with enough people that when you combine that with a bit of boundary shifting , propping up failed parties and running black ops out of his office he’s managed to retain power. Also one of his strong points is he understands greed and selfishness and how to play on voters greed and selfishness to get them to vote for him

                  • fisiani …
                    15 March 2015 at 2:20 pm

                    Our Prime Minister The Honourable JohnKey is Honest John in my book and probably with most New Zealanders. Many here have tried to claim that he has lied but their alleged evidence is merely opinion and rewriting and re-interpenetrating his words. Nothings stands up. For instance John Key clearly never said he would resign if there was surveillance. How else would we know about the 40-60 ISIL supporters in NZ. Precise language conveys accurate meaning. That is not pedantry. When are you going to apologise?

                    • b waghorn …
                      15 March 2015 at 3:13 pm

                      I am sorry to any one other than you who may be offended by my rich language , you can infer what ever floats your boat from that.

                    • fisiani …
                      15 March 2015 at 3:48 pm

                      That’s not an apology. You now appear to be sober. So just apologise and I’ll move on.

                    • b waghorn …
                      15 March 2015 at 3:56 pm

                      I have heard stories of how right wingers have lower IQ than left wingers , I’ve never liked the theory but the fact you think you’re still in with a chance of an apology makes me wonder if there isn’t some truth in it.
                      BTW I was sober at 5.22 last night .

      • Lanthanide 2.2.2
        14 March 2015 at 11:55 am

        Yes, I guess their motives are not the same as mine.

      • mike 2.2.3
        15 March 2015 at 9:43 am

        he wouldnt resign what ever comes out key will just lie more even getting caught doesnt bother him the public pefer the key version so the lie is the reality truth doesnt matter any longer.

  3. jenny kirk 3
    14 March 2015 at 9:03 am

    “Seems like it’s all starting to catch up with Key at last.”

    We can only hope, and wait ………..

    • Leftie 3.1
      14 March 2015 at 2:21 pm

      +1 Jenny.

    • Once was Tim 3.2
      14 March 2015 at 3:27 pm

      +1 …. but don’t hold your breathe. I just walked thru’ the streets of Wellington. I I I me me me me (all that Key & Co stand for) was evident everywhere. From the damaged (brand new) rubbish bins outside every alcohol pumping station with trendy names where every Key-voting bogun and his ‘missus’ frequent 4 nights a week, to the Masters of the Universe that inhabit the upper floors of our skoi scrapuz in the foynenshul distrik.
      It seems the Natzis are a ‘broad church’ too.

  4. Lionel 4
    14 March 2015 at 9:12 am

    Agree Jenny.Believe it when and if we see it

  5. Draco T Bastard 5
    14 March 2015 at 9:26 am

    The Orwellian Re-Branding of “Mass surveillance” as merely “Bulk Collection”

    Just as the Bush administration and the U.S. media re-labelled “torture” with the Orwellian euphemism “enhanced interrogation techniques” to make it more palatable, the governments and media of the Five Eyes surveillance alliance are now attempting to re-brand “mass surveillance” as “bulk collection” in order to make it less menacing (and less illegal). In the past several weeks, this is the clearly coordinated theme that has arisen in the U.S., UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand as the last defense against the Snowden revelations, as those governments seek to further enhance their surveillance and detention powers under the guise of terrorism.

    Bold mine.

    Key’s and this governments obfuscation have been noted around the world.

    • Colonial Rawshark 5.1
      14 March 2015 at 9:45 am

      According to Ray McGovern, CIA whistleblower, the term “enhanced interrogation” is a direct translation from German Gestapo torture manuals, as are many of the actual techniques used by the USA.

      • fisiani 5.1.1
        14 March 2015 at 11:36 am

        And we have a Godwin winner at just 5.1

        • Draco T Bastard 5.1.1.1
          14 March 2015 at 11:39 am

          There’s no Godwin there even if Godwin actually meant anything which it doesn’t as I’ve explained to you before.

          • fisiani 5.1.1.1.1
            14 March 2015 at 11:51 am

            For your edification. Which part of German Gestapo fails to meet the criteria?
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

            • Draco T Bastard 5.1.1.1.1.1
              14 March 2015 at 12:01 pm

              Godwin’s law

              “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1”

              CV didn’t compare anything. He merely stated where a particular term and many CIA techniques came from and that source shouldn’t be surprising even for an ignoramus like yourself as the US, UK and Russia did, as a matter of fact, import many techniques, knowledge and people from Nazi Germany after the war.

              • fisiani …
                14 March 2015 at 12:10 pm

                And we have another Godwin winner. Give the lad a coconut

                • freedom …
                  14 March 2015 at 12:21 pm

                  The world according to fisiani,

                  No person at any time anywhere anyhow can ever again refer to anything relating to, or referencing, facts of history that might mention Hitler and/or his actions, orders, staff, projects, battles, experiments, decisions, etc etc etc because of an internet meme.

                  • Colonial Rawshark …
                    14 March 2015 at 1:15 pm

                    You just used the H name

                    GODWINNED!!!! 😛

                    • greywarshark …
                      14 March 2015 at 5:26 pm

                      I’m so ignorant I thought it was Macbeth that was the bad luck name. (Going on stage? Break a leg you-all). Probably even using capital M is verboten.

                • Once was Tim …
                  14 March 2015 at 4:04 pm

                  Fizz – I’m planning ahead. I’m trying to think of the perfek Xmas present for you. The only thing I can think of is a Selfie Stick – maybe alongside a few cables and adpaters that’ll enable you to maintain and assist with your virtual world – I can build them – I have the expertise – we can even call them a ‘gateway to a better good’.
                  But …… God Made Man in your image after all – in the Image of You (alongside anyone that agrees with You and Thine Agenda). I’ve come to realise you are definitely one of the Chosen Ones – alongside Jamie-Lee (if that’s not already You), and the Great White WonderBoy Stephen Joyce.
                  The second tier (of course) will be a Hooter or two and the poor bitches they’re married to, a Gower (of One), and whilst I choose your present, I’m mindful of the fact you’re still figuring out whether they look ok in Black with shades of red, or whether they should be pulled from the Brown and Beige to a delightful shade of pale blue.

        • Clemgeopin 5.1.1.2
          14 March 2015 at 12:58 pm

          The Godwin meme reference is a propaganda technique used by crooks who divert serious discussion by belittling truth in order to hide unpleasant facts.

          Guess who said that.

          • Draco T Bastard 5.1.1.2.1
            14 March 2015 at 2:59 pm

            The Godwin meme reference is a propaganda technique used by crooks who divert serious discussion by belittling truth in order to hide unpleasant facts.

            QFT

            • Clemgeopin 5.1.1.2.1.1
              14 March 2015 at 4:07 pm

              Thanks! Glad you liked my own spur of the moment made up quote. But it is true that some smart arses, invariably RWNJobs, use that Godwin meme to divert and show that they are not only smart arses but foolishly think that they are also being too clever!

              • felix …
                14 March 2015 at 5:18 pm

                felix’s law:

                The correlation between a person’s ability to comprehend the meaning of “Godwin’s Law” and the likelyhood of them proclaiming it to be in effect is precisely inverse.

    • Tracey 5.2
      14 March 2015 at 10:59 am

      and it is the job of our media to bring such suggestions to the mainstream alongside the explanations of our leaders and allow the public to decide.

      example, when Greenwald made factual statements based on documentation, key was asked for comment and decided Greenwald was DotCom’s paid “henchman”. What was Greenwald’s response tot hat? Did the same articles reflect his response?

  6. dv 6
    14 March 2015 at 9:31 am

    AND Roughans column
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11416930

    National trots out smoke-and-mirrors statistics and old promises.

    The rest of the article is seriously scathing, Well worth a read.

    • ianmac 6.1
      14 March 2015 at 9:39 am

      OOps John Armstrong’s Columm dv. But fancy John picking up on that stuff!

    • Draco T Bastard 6.2
      14 March 2015 at 11:38 am

      Quoting the article:

      The survey, however, stipulates that anyone who does paid work for as little as one hour a week is classed as being in employment. When people talk about “new” jobs, they usually mean full-time or part-time with a reasonable number of hours. We simply do not know what types of jobs were actually created.

      I’ve been thinking about this for awhile and I think we need a new definition of employment. After some more thought I’ve come to this:

      A person is employed if they have enough work to generate enough income to keep them out of poverty.

      • Karen 6.2.1
        14 March 2015 at 12:38 pm

        I was pleased to see Armstong pick this up as most media (and the general public) assume the figures from the Household Labour Survey are referring to full-time jobs. “Employed” should mean a minimum of 30 hours a week.

      • greywarshark 6.2.2
        14 March 2015 at 12:43 pm

        @ DTB
        Good point +100

      • Colonial Rawshark 6.2.3
        14 March 2015 at 1:14 pm

        The fact of the matter is that governments are now regularly acting to deceive people, not to inform them. This is like the US Govt saying that unemployment there is down to 5.5%. Which it is, if you refuse to count the actual number of unemployed people.

        Currently a massive 93M working age Americans are not employed.

        It’s self serving lies and more of it.

        • Draco T Bastard 6.2.3.1
          14 March 2015 at 2:57 pm

          The fact of the matter is that governments are now regularly acting to deceive people, not to inform them.

          True and we have to point out that governments now have to deceive the people because what they do only benefits the corporations and the rich at everyone else’s expense despite the fact that they’ve been saying the exact opposite for the last 40 years.

      • Ch-ch Chiquita 6.2.4
        14 March 2015 at 5:35 pm

        Is there a way to find out the true numbers? For example, can information from IRD be obtained so that you know how much PAYE was paid last year and how much this year? 7500 new real jobs should have an impact on the $ being paid to IRD.

      • BlueSky 6.2.5
        15 March 2015 at 5:06 am

        ‘A person is employed if they have enough work to generate enough income to keep them out of poverty.’

        And their dependents.

        Otherwise good point.

  7. ianmac 7
    14 March 2015 at 9:37 am

    For many months Key has known what revelations would be made. So his current performance re 5 Eyes is what he/they decided was the least damaging. Dance on the head of a pin. Keep saying that the “advice I have been given….” so that if more conclusive stuff comes out its not his fault.
    Wonder why the Head of GCSB resigned?

  8. Colonial Rawshark 8
    14 March 2015 at 9:47 am

    It’s quite likely that the change in media tone corresponds to a recent belief and approval amongst the mainstream media that Little and co. would be a safe pair of hands in charge of the country.

    • Sable 8.1
      14 March 2015 at 9:53 am

      Do you mean a new brand of pro US corporate lackey that will follow in Keys footsteps? If so I think you are on the money…

    • Tracey 8.2
      14 March 2015 at 12:19 pm

      and perhaps word has got round about how mass “collection” will impact THEIR ability to do THEIR jobs.

  9. Sable 9
    14 March 2015 at 9:49 am

    Now that brand Key is becoming increasingly toxic his supporters including those in the MSM are deserting him. Wonder if anyone inside National is sharpening their knives?

    • Simple Simon 9.1
      14 March 2015 at 10:02 am

      Yes Sable, she is blonde and wears a skirt.

      Heaven help us all if she were to take the top job.
      That would be even worse than J Key.

      • ianmac 9.1.1
        14 March 2015 at 10:21 am

        Paula Bennett is not blond is she?

      • Sanctuary 9.1.2
        14 March 2015 at 10:37 am

        Collin’s image is everything Key’s propaganda machine tries to make him not – divisive, arrogant, sneering and bullying. I welcome her becoming leader of National, because for every adoring fanboy (and they are almost always males) she has half a dozen who loath her. She seems particularly unpopular with women. Where Key has assiduously courted Joe and Jane Sixpack who listen to the Edge, Collin’s appeal is to the talkback Taliban.

      • David H 9.1.3
        14 March 2015 at 4:48 pm

        But I should imagine the more ‘reasonable’ type of Nat would be scared back to NZF and Lab if she got the top job. the poll ratings would plummet

  10. Paul 10
    14 March 2015 at 10:42 am

    Notice how uncomfortable Jim Mora was when McCabe criticized Key, then how happy he was to discuss the very light topic Lisa Scott brought up about middle age.
    Says so much about Mora’s politics.
    And his ability to front a serious news show at 5 p.m.

    Would love to hear Morrissey’s take on this.

    • North 10.1
      14 March 2015 at 11:53 pm

      I noticed it particularly Paul……some implied remonstration along these lines – “Well, you’ve nailed your colours to the mast there Steve McCabe !” Pompously yet Indulgently noting that a mild heresy had been committed. Whereas that fuckwit Neil Miller with the glidingly overbearing, superior voice can get away with all sorts of shit without challenge. Mora just muses, soothed.

      Mora’s a fucking old passive-aggressive carpet slippers Tory. Shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near public radio. Because he’s partial and dishonest.

  11. Clemgeopin 11
    14 March 2015 at 11:05 am

    At the end of Christ Trotter’s excellent article about Key’s lying, in the Bowalley Road blog website, http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.co.nz/2015/03/not-understood.html
    a reader had the following comment and a link for signing a petition to John Key:

    COMMENT:

    Alma Rae from Christchurch:

    If anyone’s getting sick of Key’s endless lies, there’s a petition addressed to him asking him to get treatment for pathological lying:

    LINK:

    https://www.change.org/p/the-right-honourable-john-key-prime-minister-of-new-zealand-get-treatment-for-compulsive-lying

    13 March 2015 at 23:40

  12. Upnorth 12
    14 March 2015 at 11:21 am

    See what I dont understand is this. If Snowden is a hero then why does he not do all of this leaking at home?

    I am sure there are many people who would give him and office free of charge.

    I dont know if he is right or wrong but what I do know if you want credibility you need to do it on your own turf. I mean civil right protestors at least got knocked on their own their own back lawn.

    Until he does that – it is just another facebook page of “what I had for breakfast”.

    • Tautoko Mangō Mata 12.1
      14 March 2015 at 12:01 pm

      He would get orange overalls and “enhanced interrogation” if he went back to USA. You can’t honestly believe he would get a fair go, do you?

    • Tracey 12.2
      14 March 2015 at 12:43 pm

      Did you give much thought to your post before hitting send? I only ask because Whistleblowers have traditionally been even less prolific than today because of how they were treated to shut them up.

      “civil right protestors at least got knocked on their own their own back lawn.” Where do you think they could have gone to do it?

    • Draco T Bastard 12.3
      14 March 2015 at 1:08 pm

      Heroes are always hunted and hated by the status quo as they bring change dropping those presently in power into penury or even death.

    • Colonial Rawshark 12.4
      14 March 2015 at 1:11 pm

      See what I dont understand is this. If Snowden is a hero then why does he not do all of this leaking at home?

      Snowden’s lawyer has written to the US Gov saying that Snowden is willing to return home if he is given a fair trial and is able to use a full range of legal defences in that trial, including acting in the public good.

      The US gov has refused to respond.

    • David H 12.5
      14 March 2015 at 4:55 pm

      Oh and it’s another Look over there moment.
      When everyone is talking about TricKeys bullshitting the nation. This Crap comes up.

      And you KNOW they have a cell with hot and cold running torturers all picked out in Guantanamo just for him. So enough with the amateur hour attempt at diversion.

      Begone trole

      • Upnorth 12.5.1
        14 March 2015 at 5:53 pm

        no trolling – quite a legite point – why doesnt snowden hand all the stuff over to whoever and stay at home. I said I dont know if he is right or wrong.

        • Lanthanide 12.5.1.1
          14 March 2015 at 6:08 pm

          Their is a whistleblower act in the US, but it explicitly excludes people who are contracted to privated companies, as Snowden apparently was.

          This means he can’t use the “public good” defense in any trial.

          His lawyers have been in contact with the US government to try and arrange allowing him to use the “public good” defense in this case, but they haven’t responded.

          He’s quite willing to go back to the US, but only if he gets a fair trial. So far the US government isn’t going to play ball.

        • North 12.5.1.2
          15 March 2015 at 12:08 am

          Well every man and his dog knows that right or wrong he’d be murdered if not physically then certainly in his spirit, if he were still resident as you claim is his obligation. Do I take it you’re not a man or a dog ? Am I getting warm with cockroach ? Truly, your comment is one of the most startingly stupid (as in stupor) comments I’ve seen in years.

          • Upnorth 12.5.1.2.1
            15 March 2015 at 8:05 am

            sorry can you apologise – you are making claims he will be murdered – prove it

            • North 12.5.1.2.1.1
              15 March 2015 at 9:44 am

              I acknowledge resort to frustrated rhetoric in response to the base stupidity of your comment UpNorth, Which weirdly goes on unabated..

              “I said I dont know if he is right or wrong.” ???

              About what, how, for God’s Sake ? Snowden didn’t write the stuff, it’s not of his pen. ‘They’ wrote it, He leaked it. Hopefully you can sort that out without having to start afresh at primer school. The answer to your ‘legite point’ simply cannot rest there.

              In conflating the overall morality question with the accuracy of the material leaked (which not even ‘they’ contest) you’re on all fours with The Idiot Key’s pose re Hager – “Neh ! Leaked ! Ergo Rubbish ! ”

              So “legite” ! So un-stupid ! (belly laugh).

    • Murray Rawshark 12.6
      14 March 2015 at 8:13 pm

      So until he’s being waterboarded at Gitmo, we shouldn’t take any notice of what he says? I suppose the Free French and Free Poles who joined the RAF and fought Hitler were not heroes because they should have denounced him from the death camps? His credibility is in his material, not in your strange notion of his heroism.

  13. rhinocrates 13
    14 March 2015 at 11:52 am

    Hoots talking about ethics? Is the creep delusional? He wouldn’t know ethics if a swarm of them scuttled up his back and farted collectively in his ears.

    • Chooky 13.1
      14 March 2015 at 11:55 am

      lol…rhinocrates you are definitely a writer of considerable imagistic power

    • Tracey 13.2
      14 March 2015 at 12:44 pm

      Never under estimate the impact of a clean blood stream on a moral compass.

      • Chooky 13.2.1
        14 March 2015 at 1:54 pm

        that sounds good too…although I am not quite sure what it means here

        • CnrJoe 13.2.1.1
          15 March 2015 at 8:20 am

          Hooton was drinking 3-4 bottles of red wine a day just prior to the last election. He claimed that’s what Key was referring to when he made a comment on Matthews personal issues.
          Clean blood stream. Nah.
          Its a toxic sewer of self-interest and neo-liberal selfishness just without the marinade.

      • Murray Rawshark 13.2.2
        14 March 2015 at 8:16 pm

        That’s possible, Tracey. It’s also possible that Hoots sees a new alpha male arising and is transferring his allegiance.

  14. fisiani 14
    14 March 2015 at 12:22 pm

    Seems like it’s all starting to catch up with Key at last.

    I wish I has a dollar for every comment like that. I’d be a very rich person. The wishful thinking is that John Key will resign from office when it seems clear that he will retire from office. My guess for what it’s worth is that he will retire in 2024. That would be 12 months into his sixth term. His replacement entered Parliament in 2014.

    How many thousand more times will the mantra above be written.
    Seems = wishful thinking
    at last = despairing

    • Tracey 14.1
      14 March 2015 at 12:45 pm

      Thanks again Fisi. I can always rely on you for a great chuckle. You sir, are an adept comedian, no matter what many say here about you, you are freakin hilarious.

    • Foreign waka 14.2
      14 March 2015 at 1:04 pm

      Are “we” talking about royal ascendance to the throne worded in some republican double speak?

    • David 14.3
      15 March 2015 at 10:33 am

      Who’s his replacement then? Sabin when he gets out of prison?

  15. RedBaronCV 15
    14 March 2015 at 1:22 pm

    You’ve gotta hand it to the Right. The one thing they do consistently well is “failure”. One scent of it about anybody and they all run as fast as they can in the other direction.
    Notice how we seem to be down to Fisi as the only troll on here now days? Loyal to the last?

  16. saveNZ 16
    14 March 2015 at 4:17 pm

    He He, maybe MSM is sensing competition is on it’s way….eveningreport.nz and more on it’s way.

    Remember only less than half a percent vote Act, but the herald is so right of centre that that is where their views are set! Not many people will keep reading if more alternatives start popping up.

    • fisiani 16.1
      14 March 2015 at 6:15 pm

      Just because the Herald does not endorse socialism does not make it Right Wing. I cannot thank of any media in NZ as being Right Wing unless you count Whale Oil as media. This media delusion runs strong in the Left. See the link to Roughan above for proof of my words. Face facts. The majority reject socialism. The Left are so blinded by delusion in their righteousness that they have to keep casting the blame anywhere they can to explain the worst result in 80 years. The fault lies with the unacceptable policies of the Left.

  17. coaster 17
    14 March 2015 at 5:04 pm

    i agree with fisi, key will probably retire in 2024 and pass his bables of office on to his son. by then we will have lived in a dictatorship for a number of years, the standard will have been shut down by the gcsb and we will all be chipped to monitor every axpect of our lives as the must be frustrated as hell they cant collect data from us when we go deviceless.

  18. Treetop 18
    14 March 2015 at 5:10 pm

    The first and last thing of the day that Key probably thinks about is the Northland by – election.

    The biggest threat to Osbourne is Key’s bullshit.

  19. Olwyn 19
    14 March 2015 at 5:28 pm

    I think Key sees his claim to fame as his method of transforming NZ to better align with the wishes of “the club” without losing popularity. He will not resign for being caught out lying, however blatantly, but he probably will resign if losing a couple of bi-elections prevents him from applying his method. If he finds himself leading a minority government and is reduced to merely governing, he will lose interest in the job.

    • whateva next? 19.1
      14 March 2015 at 6:44 pm

      I wonder what he has his sights set on next?, no doubt he is already working on it whatever it is..

  20. North 20
    14 March 2015 at 9:16 pm

    Apologies to MP, a parliamentary member of which I recently came upon quite by chance in foreign parts – Marama Fox – she’s good stuff that woman ! Anyway, this little piece of doggerel came to me on the occasion of TheFakeKey outrageously, publicly, trying to climb up Richie McCaw’s arse to show what a great guy TheFakeKey is – then running to the media to say he’d at least got a whiff. Even when a bemused Richie said “Nah John, when I want my cock sucked I’ll call ya”):

    ON KNIGHTS AND DAMES AND OTHER BULLSHIT

    I heard a dirty story
    It’s truly damned horrific
    Shyster Boy Smiley Key
    He’s selling honorifics

    First he went to Richie
    ‘cos he’s a real man
    Said Shyster Boy to Richie
    Help me if you can

    Take this crappy medal
    It’s such a thing to show
    And ‘cos I gave it to you
    I’m basking in your glow

    Richie he’s a cagey guy
    He sussed the slimey game
    He yelled out loud “Piss off you Ponce….
    Go find yourself a Dame !”

    Tari’ proved no problem
    For this she’d always itched
    “Dame Toryana Torya”
    The Whispering Old Witch

    “Pita” “Peter” take your pick
    Demands he had a few
    Pension with the knighthood
    And Bee Em Double U

    This was getting crazy
    And people thought it stank……
    Shyster Boy pulled out the sword
    Sir Botox Bloody Banks…….!!!
    Anon

    Thank God for the High Court in Auckland. And re MP – I was half right wasn’t I ?

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