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Child Support (Almost) Amendment Bill: Cunliffe speech

Written By: - Date published: 7:51 am, February 28th, 2013 - 33 comments
Categories: child welfare, class, david cunliffe, families, greens, labour, same old national - Tags:

I caught the end of another excellent Cunlife speech last night on my TV.  He was speaking to the Child Support Amendment Bill (Committee Stage Schedule 2). Cunliffe was on fire, with some very pertinent points, highlighting the government’s callous disregard of child poverty and single/separated (usually women) parents.

Cunliffe’s theme was that it was an “almost” Bill; a shambles that had taken 4 years for the government to develop.  The Bill will impact on 133,000 children dependent on child support following family break-ups.  These are “faultless,  vulnerable kids.”  Cunliffe pointed out that this situation especially impacts on women who usually have primary responsibility of child care.  Many will be less well off as a result of this Amendment Bill.

Cunliffe said:

We have worked hard in the select committee to bring the government to the point where it would include a legislative priority for their interests.

But National MPs voted against opposition party amendments.

Cunliffe encouraged people to look at the minority reports by Labour and Greens, in which they have set out their views on the Bill.

It is about poverty, but National MPs deny that. The payments will not be adequate for a large number of children.

The video of the speech is here.  For some reason, when I have the Cunliffe video showing on my computer, the link I add to the post brings up Moroney’s speech. Like this:

[would be grateful if an admin person can fix it – thanks: fixed it, h/t CV & ropata]

Along the way, Cunliffe makes some telling comments about Paula Bennett, Judith Collins and one or two other Nats.

33 comments on “Child Support (Almost) Amendment Bill: Cunliffe speech”

  1. Craig Glen viper 1

    Another good speech and piece of work by Cunliffe. The thing about this guy is he is not just good sometimes he is consistently good. National hate him and if you listen to Mallard and Hipkins so do Labour, go figure. One person is doing his job holding National to account while the others are doing a shit job leaking to the media defaming Cunliffe and have the blood of a poorly run election campaign all over them. Having Mallard in the party is so destructive, Charles is right its time for many like Phil, Annette and Trevor to go.

  2. I also watched the speech by Cunliffe in Parliament, once again he was so impressive,that impressive that one national member yelled out ‘What a waste’, they can also see an
    outstanding member of the labour party who is denied being the leader by sharks inside
    caucus who feel they have total rights to the labour party and rule over it.
    For those who haven’t watched the video or seen Cunliffe in Parliament,watch it
    and weep, for what could have been,for what can be,for what was a winner so
    many months ago in a 9 out of 10 member meetings only to be struck out by a few
    self obsessed,self important caucus idiots,followed by a conference setup to discredit
    Cunliffe, any way they could.
    Members and those who feel that Cunliffe should be leader need to lobby Moria Coatsworth
    and express their concerns and worries that the Labour Party Caucus hasn’t acted in a
    democratic way after the Leadership meetings and their rights were stripped.
    I will NOT vote for Labour whilst Shearer is the leader.

    • AmaKiwi 2.1

      “I will NOT vote for Labour whilst Shearer is the leader.”

      or Grant Robertson.

    • Colonial Viper 2.2

      once again he was so impressive,that impressive that one national member yelled out ‘What a waste’,

      Yeah I know card carrying National party members who see in Cunliffe a very capable challenge which would finally force Key and English out of their cruise-mode control of the country.

      Ironic that even Nat supporters hate to see Labour struggling around in circles.

      • Saccharomyces 2.2.1

        Competition improves the breed, I don’t think anyone is enjoying seeing Labour in the state it’s in at the moment, except perhaps the Greens…

        • Colonial Viper 2.2.1.1

          Yes I agree with your analysis.

          • George D 2.2.1.1.1

            If Labour is hopeless and led by incompetent hacks rather than wise people of principle, the Greens will find government uncomfortable and difficult. It’s not what any of us hope for.

      • McFlock 2.2.2

        maybe.
        the nat mp could have just been stirring shit, of course. Help keep the fight alive, sort of thing.

    • halfcrown 2.3

      Now you know why the likes of Hoonton are so supportive of Shearer and will do his utmost to denigrate Cunliffe. He knows (Hoonton) along with other prats from the right that Cunliffe will take it to them in any debate and will chew them up in little pieces and spit them out. I will always remember the debate on Q&A between Cunliffe and that other right wing fuckwit Brash, where Cunliffe blasted Brash out of the water. After Brash regurgitated (AGAIN) some right wing crap theorem that has not worked Cunliffe departing shot was, that he would be happy to debate economics with him at any place at any time. The right cannot handle that type of in your face factual discussions, they sooner feed us bullshit and keep us in the dark.

  3. I caught Moroney’s speech and have to say she was found off chasing a wrong ‘un.

    From what I could tell, she was venting at dads who were lucky (unfortunate) to have two nights shared care, and would benefit by reduced child support payments.
    Her argument is this takes funds from the mother (she willfuly changes carer to mother). She claims these dads who would make less payments, and therefore their genuine claims of guardianship and fatherhood must be financially motivated.
    Seriously Sue, that’s a twat attitude if ever I heard one.
    Talk about tarring all with the same broad brush stroke.

    No thought is given to men in low paid employ who actually do take to their responsibilities.
    Over three nights a week dads can rightly claim a proportional cut of WFF tax credits, under three and you’re boned by the state, yet they still pay child support at full rate, they still feed, clothe and entertain their kids. Sue needs to explain why she has not only smear their good name in parliament, but also why she and Labour seek to penalise these fathers.

    Oh, and it’s all about the kids.

  4. just saying 4

    I watched the speech. Just procrastinating really. And the more I listened the sadder I became.

    This is a Labour speech – you forget what they sound like.

    This is not a Crosby-Textor wanna-be speech in which the style dictates the substance and the form, (and it seems that over time, Crosby-Textor takes over the minds of its speakers until they are no longer able to remember anything of the point at all).

    It’s not that it’s particularly brilliant, but if you listen to it side by side with the sly, disingenous, crap the party churns out day after day, its very clear why Cunliffe and the rest of the social dmocratic wing of the party, had to be silenced.

    • emergency mike 4.1

      “This is not a Crosby-Textor wanna-be speech in which the style dictates the substance and the form,”

      This. It’s like he’s articulately trying to appeal to the intelligence of the listener rather than mechanically trying to appeal to the nearest Crosby-Textor focus group.

  5. Colonial Viper 5

    A know a hell lot of traditional Labour supporters in my town. Not Labour members mind you, not people who are actively involved in the branches and LECs.

    This week a good chunk of them have been saying that they cannot hear in Shearer anything which relates to their interests. A few of them are looking to vote Green for the first time in their lives, next year. The rest will probably stay at home.

  6. Matthew 6

    Why oh why is this man not the leader. SERIOUSLY. My votes will be Green until it happens. Sorry bout dat Mr Shearer.

  7. tracey 7

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10868210

    Some scary stuff which has taken a long time to address. One thing overlooked is that the inflexible penalty system was brought in as a meager attempt to chase already ballooning non payment.

    The Allen – I agree that broad-brush statements do no credit to anyone. The best outcome for children is two parents living reasonably close together so children can move easily between two homes without disruption to schooling.

    I shudder that the cost of unpaid child support is way in excess of the benefit fraud this country is fixated upon.

    That people (mothers or fathers) will use loopholes and legal trickery to deprive their own children is more than sad. I am glad to see some effort (albeit not until 2015) to reign in some of the mis-use of trusts etc to avoid responsibility… the irony is that many of the 800 referred to by the Herald will vote ACT or Nat because they are sick of people not taking responsibility for their own actions.

  8. Colonial Viper 8

    Cunliffe’s speech

  9. “The Allen – I agree that broad-brush statements do no credit to anyone. The best outcome for children is two parents living reasonably close together so children can move easily between two homes without disruption to schooling.”

    Both so true.

  10. Ad 10

    Any Parliamentary speech by Cunliffe should now be called on this site:

    The Labour Party (Almost) Real Leadership Amendment, Reading 1 (and the next installment is 2)

    The one thing about Cunliffe’s politics I am always confident of: in any decision he knows how many will be affected, and how the greatest should benefit from the few who have the resources to do it.

    Not sure if that makes him a socialist or just good at policy.

    • Matthew 10.1

      “Not sure if that makes him a socialist or just good at policy.”

      both good reasons to have him back, at least on the front bench…

    • Dr Terry 10.2

      Ad – he is just a good, clever, and compassionate human being which is such a rarity among today’s National/Labour politicians (I do not include the Greens). Avoid the labels. I know that you mean well and I appreciate your comments in general.

  11. Hami Shearlie 11

    As soon as David Cunliffe manages to get a chance to speak in public, the lack in Shearer’s leadership ability stands out by a country mile. David Cunliffe can speak eloquently and knowledgeably on just about any subject. Mallard and Robertson’s appalling management of the last election campaign should be FRONT AND CENTRE as Charles Chauvel said! THEY cost Labour the election, so it’s about time they shuffled off!! Grant Robertson CAME THIRD in the party vote BEHIND THE GREENS in his electorate!!! And the caucus think he’d be a charismatic leader – What a bunch of idiots – very, very small-minded and selfish people, that’s the Labour Party ABC faction!!! Losing the last election has cost all New Zealanders our assets too!! Thanks Trev and Grant – We owe you so much!! And hopefully we’ll be able to give it to you both very very soon!!!

    • tracey 11.1

      Hear Hear!

      Thank God for the greens, otherwise the only place for labour voters to go on election day would be… the park?

  12. tc 12

    I wandered across this last night (it was up against the Stones doco on Skime) found the heckling from the Nat’s quite disgusting but DC handles it like the pro that DS is not.

  13. BM 13

    The only way you’ll ever see Cunliffe in any major role is if Shearer loses the next election.
    Shearer wins and I’d say Cunliffe will leave politics and I doubt he’d be back.

    If Shearer loses,he’ll be rolled and I’d put money on it that Cunliffe would replace him.

    Tough decisions for the left.

    • saarbo 13.1

      Cunliffe and Helen Kelly leading Labour…it may have a hope of rebuilding into something special.

      Under the current leadership its f%$ked.

  14. Tanz 14

    things are much tougher under National, especiall income support issues, and be careful what jobs you apply for, or what courses you try to study. All from a side who went to uni for free, etc!!

  15. Tanz 15

    that is, especially. Single parents are frowned upon for undertaking arts courses, I reckon there’s going to be more to come.

  16. RedBaronCV 16

    Yep Nact sticks it to women and kids and young people again.
    DC also makes the very good point that the IRD will struggle to calculate that formula. Even paying parents who will be paying less, $41 million less which the taxpayer now has to front, should be very very afraid.
    Anyway if the NActs stuck to the personal responsibily that they espouse, then the paying parent should be paying the lot.

    Lastly, given the violence stats in this country, stuff like they should live close and pay voluntarily is
    little more than a distraction. virtually trolling.

  17. xtasy 17

    Although Cunliffe may have to learn a bit more sensitivity and team spirit, what about a supposed “leader” showing some humility and dignity, to allow into the core fold one of, if not the best, politicians that Labour have left?

    I simply can only interpret the ABC stubbornness or paranoia as an example of the Kiwi “tall poppy syndrome” gone wild.

    Come on, if a man or woman have talent, skills and knowledge, only idiots can block the input from such contributing players.

    Maybe though, this is in part also the struggle NZ continues to have, to develope further, rather than stay put – and stumble across the lines all the times.

    In all honesty, a country gifted with natural and human capital as this should and must do a hell of a lot better than it is doing at present. The present government and “leader” do not really want to change the status quo, so they rather have a dumbed down, disempowered lot, that is easy to manipulate, to keep the elite in control, who largely are the lazy lot themselves, being appallingly poor managers in government and business.

    Hell, if countries like Finland, Sweden and Norway can do better, even Denmark, why the hell is this country being allowed to be run down to near third world status?

    Wakey, wakey people, voters and readers, maybe do a reality check and learn how things can be done better?!

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    1 day ago
  • Crucial social services take another hit
    The Government looks set to slash half a million dollars of funding for critical social services, including Women’s Refuge and Barnados, says Labour’s Social Development spokesperson Carmel Sepuloni “Taking $500,000 from organisations aimed at improving the lives of vulnerable families… ...
    1 day ago
  • Saying it Loud on Climate in Christchurch
    The Government’s Christchurch consultation meeting on New Zealand’s emission targets was inspiring – not for what was in the Ministry for the Environment’s (MFE’s) defeatist video about the obstacles to changing to a low carbon future, but for what the… ...
    GreensBy Eugenie Sage MP
    2 days ago
  • Budget silent on small business
    The Government has completely ignored one of the most important sectors of the economy – small and medium-sized enterprises – in Budget 2015, Labour’s Small Business spokesperson Jacinda Ardern says. "A stunning 41 per cent of jobs were created by… ...
    2 days ago
  • Thank you John, it’s been bloody marvellous
    The departure of John Campbell is a blow to current affairs investigative journalism, Labour’s Broadcasting Spokesperson Clare Curran says. “Campbell Live stood out in its field. Its axing comes as local broadcasting in New Zealand remains in a state of… ...
    2 days ago
  • KiwiSaver cut shows no long-term plan
    National’s cutting of the KiwiSaver kickstart is incredibly short-term thinking, typical of a Budget that is woefully short on ideas to generate wealth and opportunity, Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “New Zealand’s savings rate is far too low. KiwiSaver… ...
    2 days ago
  • National hits the panic button for its 7th Budget
    National has hit the panic button for its 7th Budget in a desperate attempt to look like they’re taking action to reduce our shameful child poverty rates, but they are giving with one hand and taking with the other, Opposition… ...
    2 days ago
  • Panic and back-flips can’t hide twin deficits
    National’s token measures to fight fires they have left burning for seven long years can’t hide a Budget that is long on broken promises, short on vision and fails to reach surplus, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson. “After being… ...
    2 days ago
  • Auckland land measure seven years too late
    National are so desperate to look like they are doing something about the Auckland housing crisis they have dusted off Labour’s 2008 inventory of government land available for housing and re-announced it, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Despite National… ...
    3 days ago
  • Access to gender reassignment surgery essential
    I was frankly disgusted to hear the Minister for Health say that funding gender reassignment surgeries is a “nutty idea”. A recent study found that in New Zealand 1% of young people identified themselves as transgender, and 3% were unsure… ...
    GreensBy Jan Logie MP
    4 days ago
  • Global milk prices now lowest in 6 years
    The latest fall in the global dairy price has brought it to the lowest level in six years and shows there must be meaningful action in tomorrow’s Budget to diversify the economy, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson. “Dairy prices… ...
    4 days ago
  • Big risks as CYF checks stopped
    Revelations that Child, Youth and Family is no longer assisting home-based early childhood educators by vetting potential employees should set alarm bells ringing, Labour Children’s spokesperson Jacinda Ardern says. “Doing away with an extra mechanism for checking potential new employees… ...
    4 days ago
  • Housing crisis about real people not numbers
    The Government’s continued failure to tackle the housing crisis is seeing thousands of vulnerable Kiwis being kept off social housing waiting lists, while others, who are on the list, are being forced to live in cars and garages, says Labour’s… ...
    4 days ago
  • Housing crisis about real people not numbers
    The Government’s continued failure to tackle the housing crisis is seeing thousands of vulnerable Kiwis being kept off social housing waiting lists, while others, who are on the list, are being forced to live in cars and garages, says Labour’s… ...
    4 days ago
  • State of origin
    Kiwis are increasingly concerned about the food they give their families. New Zealand consumers have the right to know where their food has come from, particularly when it involves animals, and should be able to expect our Government to label… ...
    GreensBy Steffan Browning MP
    4 days ago
  • Relationships Aotearoa
    It is disturbing that Relationships Aotearoa, a voluntary organisation set up in 1949 to help couples struggling with their relationships following the upheavals of World War II, may be forced to close, says Acting Spokesperson for the Voluntary and Community… ...
    5 days ago
  • An economy that is just working for some is an economy that is not working
    The National Party presents itself as a great manager of the economy, but if the economy is only working for some we really need to question that assertion. Alongside the perpetually elusive surplus, the levels of risk in our economy are… ...
    GreensBy Jan Logie MP
    5 days ago
  • An economy that is just working for some is an economy that is not working
    The National Party presents itself as a great manager of the economy, but if the economy is only working for some we really need to question that assertion. Alongside the perpetually elusive surplus, the levels of risk in our economy are… ...
    GreensBy Jan Logie MP
    5 days ago
  • House prices to a crack $1 million in 17 months
    The average Auckland home is on track to cost $1 million in 17 months’ time if nothing substantial is done to rein in soaring price rises, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “Auckland’s house prices have skyrocketed 63 per cent… ...
    5 days ago
  • Vital support services can’t be left in lurch
    The National Government has big questions to answer about how a provider of services to thousands of vulnerable New Zealanders is set to fold, Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson says. Relationships Aotearoa which provides support and counselling to families, individuals… ...
    5 days ago
  • Treasury and IRD on a capital gains tax
    Both the Treasury and IRD have been advising the National Government on the benefits of a capital gains tax. Documents released to the Green Party under an Official Information Act request show that John Key has been selective with the… ...
    GreensBy Russel Norman MP
    5 days ago
  • Charity legislation needs review
    It is unacceptable that the big corporate based charities claim  millions in annual income tax exemptions, while small community based and operated non-profit organisations  struggle to gain official charity status, Labour’s acting spokesperson for the Voluntary and Community Sector Louisa… ...
    6 days ago
  • John’s panic-Key response to housing crisis
    John Key needs to tell New Zealanders what caused his sudden change of heart that led to the Government’s scrambled and last-minute housing measures, Opposition Leader Andrew Little says. “The Prime Minister’s sudden rush of blood to his head followed… ...
    6 days ago
  • Keep our Assets Christchurch Campaign: An update
    I recently presented my submission to keep Christchurch Council assets at the Christchurch City Council’s public hearings on its 10 year plan on 13 May. The hearings are live-streamed and recorded so you can watch them on www.ccc.govt.nz. The Council’s… ...
    GreensBy Eugenie Sage MP
    6 days ago
  • John Key finally admits there’s a housing crisis
    John Key’s weak measures to rein in the astronomical profits property speculators are making are an admission – finally – that there is a housing crisis, Labour Leader Andrew Little says. “But yet again National is tinkering with the housing… ...
    7 days ago
  • Government stifles voices in CYFs review
    The Government’s exclusion of the Māori Women’s Welfare League in a panel on the future of CYFs is a cynical ploy to stifle views, says Labour’s Māori Development Spokesperson Nanaia Mahuta. “It's unbelievable that a significant review on the future… ...
    1 week ago
  • Speech to the Otago Chamber of Commerce
    Thank you very much for the opportunity to be here today. It’s a pleasure as always to be back in the town that raised me. Growing up in St Kilda meant that there was one thing that was a big… ...
    1 week ago
  • Key can’t just be Prime Minister for Parnell
    John Key must show New Zealanders in next week’s Budget that he is more than the Prime Minister for Parnell, and is also the Prime Minister for Pine Hill, Putararu and Palmerston North, Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson says. In… ...
    1 week ago
  • Stop the conversions
    This week, some Waikato locals took me and intrepid photographer Amanda Rogers on a tour of some  lakes and waterways in their region, and up to the massive dairy conversions in the upper catchment of the Waikato River. It… ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty MP
    1 week ago
  • More regional jobs go in Corrections reshape
    News that 194 Corrections staff are to lose their jobs will have ramifications not only for them and their families but for the wider community, Labour’s Corrections spokesperson Kelvin Davis says. Prison units at Waikeria, Tongariro and Rimutaka face closure… ...
    1 week ago
  • Government’s climate meetings off to a bumpy start
    On Wednesday, I attended a hui and an evening meeting that the Government had organised in Nelson as part of its climate change consultation tour, to support the Nelson community telling the Government to take meaningful action on climate change.… ...
    GreensBy Steffan Browning MP
    1 week ago
  • Taxpayers the only ones left feeling blue
    Ministry of Social Development bosses could have saved themselves thousands of dollars in consultants’ fees by providing staff with rose-tinted spectacles, Labour’s State Services spokesperson Kris Faafoi says. A report out today reveals the Ministry is spending over half a… ...
    1 week ago
  • Why are the regions still facing restrictions?
    Labour's Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford is questioning why the regions should continue to be saddled with LVR lending restrictions announced by the Reserve Bank today. “Labour has been calling for the regions to be exempted from LVRs for the best… ...
    1 week ago
  • The high costs of weak environmental regulation
    Te Waihora/Lake Ellesmere is described on the Department of Conservation website as “Canterbury’s largest and New Zealand’s fifth largest [lake], and an internationally important wildlife area.” But the lake is also polluted by nutrients leaching from farms in the catchment.… ...
    GreensBy Eugenie Sage MP
    1 week ago
  • Submissions to Wellington City Council on their Gambling Venues Policy
    Every three years Councils across the country are required to check that their gambling venue policies are still fit for purpose and they can choose to consult on their policy if they are thinking of making changes. Councils don’t have… ...
    GreensBy Denise Roche MP
    2 weeks ago
  • Reserve Bank action shows Govt out of touch and out of ideas
    The Reserve Bank’s unprecedented measures today show it understands the serious risks of the overheating housing market – in complete contrast to John Key’s refusal to acknowledge the crisis, Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “The Bank is right to… ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Send us your snaps: 25 Years of the Green Party
    This year we've hit a milestone. We're turning 25.To help celebrate a quarter of a century, please send us your photos from the last 25 years of the Green Party Aotearoa New Zealand! Note: Photos must be jpg, gif or… ...
    2 weeks ago
  • 25 Years of the Green Party
    This year the Green Party sends 25. To help us celebrate a quarter of a century please send us you photos of 25 years of the Green Party!Photos must be jpg,gif or png and smaller than 2MB. If you are… ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Bay growth plan too little too late
    Today’s Bay of Plenty growth study from MBIE is another example of Government spin - lots of talk but little action, says Labour’s Regional Development spokesperson David Cunliffe.  “This is a region that desperately needs to develop the downstream processing… ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Government bows to ACC pressure
     The Government has finally buckled to pressure from Labour and the New Zealand public in making a half billion dollar cut to ACC levies, but the full benefits are two years away,” says Opposition Leader Andrew Little.  “$500 million over… ...
    2 weeks ago
  • False figures cloud Auckland transport facts
    The Prime Minister should apologise and issue a correction after both he and Transport Minister Simon Bridges have been caught out misrepresenting facts on Auckland’s transport spending, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. "Both John Key and Simon Bridges have… ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Govt books confirm National can’t post surplus
    The last publication of the Government’s books before the budget shows National will break its promise of seven years and two election campaigns and fail to get the books in order, says Labour’s Finance Spokesperson Grant Robertson. “The Government is… ...
    2 weeks ago

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