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Choices, choices: parental leave too expensive?

Written By: - Date published: 6:40 am, April 11th, 2012 - 189 comments
Categories: benefits, same old national - Tags: , ,

The Right says that extending paid parental leave to 26 weeks is too expensive. Typical. The bastards know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

If anything, Sue Moroney’s Bill doesn’t go far enough as it doesn’t extend eligibility to the nearly 60% of mothers who don’t meet the rules currently (only 26,000 of 60,000 mums per year get it).

But, if money is so tight, how does the cost stack up against other National Party decisions?

So, we’re talking about a tiny sliver of government spending – 0.2% to be precise. And a tiny fraction of what the government is borrowing. If money is really so tight, there’s plenty of poor quality decisions that National could reverse first.

189 comments on “Choices, choices: parental leave too expensive?”

  1. deinacrida_v2 1

    Parental leave?
    [Bunji: fixed}

  2. james 111 2

    Nice idea from fantasy land however totally unaffordable $150 million we dont have as a country. We have to earn the money as a country before we can spend it. This is a problem with Socialist thinking spend spend spend but where does the money come from? Tax Tax Tax and more Tax

    • So James you must think those roads of national significance really suck.

      • Deer Hunter 2.1.1

        Roads of national significance are paid by road users. Good thing you don’t own a shop. A customer comes in to buy some bread, you’d take their money and say: “Actually bread isn’t good for you. I’ll give you half a weetbix instead.”

        • mickysavage 2.1.1.1

          But I do pay fuel excise duty.  The RONS still suck.  My fuel taxes should be used on the inner city rail loop instead.

          • Deer Hunter 2.1.1.1.1

            Road users disagree with you. Road users want better roads. The only referendum on the inner loop was the auckland central election, what happened? Pony girl did no better than Judith Tizard.

            • Bunji 2.1.1.1.1.1

              The road user in your head wants better roads. I want a city rail loop.

              The only ‘referendum’ on the rail loop? If anything it was the mayoral election, trains being the centrepiece of Len’s campaign, and the rail loop the centre piece of the trains.
              Who won that again?

              The AK central election was hardly a referendum – Nikki Kaye supports the rail loop too, just her party doesn’t want to pay for it. So if you count voters who voted for a candidate who supported the rail loop (Kaye, Ardern, Roche…), vs those who don’t… Well, we better get on with that rail loop…

              Road users should all support the rail loop: it’ll get lots of people off ‘their’ roads…

              • Rusty Shackleford

                This is shithouse reasoning. People love voting for stuff when someone else is going to foot the bill. It’s easy to make promises, economic viability be damned.

            • Matthew Whitehead 2.1.1.1.1.2

              Actually I want better buses and trains.

            • bbfloyd 2.1.1.1.1.3

              my word, what a load of specious drivel you speak little fawn…. EVERYBODY who pays tax, irrespective of whether they drive or not pays for roads…

              and one assumes you believe that none of those “road users” would switch to public transport if it was widely available… especially in cities where past national govts have allowed transport infrastructure to become horrendously overburdoned….

              but no…. you have to be utterly narrow, shallow, and self interested to the point of excluding everything that could undermine your deeply held bigotries, and everyone capable of exposing your ignorance of common sense….

              you aren’t related to “convoy” joyce are you? … or own a freight company do you?

            • lprent 2.1.1.1.1.4

              Actually she did.

              However I’m puzzled why do you think that was a referendum on the central loop (it barely came up during the campaign).

              The primary use of the loop is allow the more effective use of the rail system throughout the whole of Auckland apart from the North Shore without getting bottlenecked at Britomart. At the current rates of expansion of use in the rail system and assuming that we get the usual increases in usage from the current updates, Britomart will be at capacity within a decade. The inner loop is designed to increase the capacity for trains both into Britomart hub and also bypassing (ie south going west).

              It also means that when the lazy idiots in Wellington NZTA get around to putting another harbour crossing in, it will be able to handle the capacity from a rail link to the shore.

              Of course these are things that I really shouldn’t expect an idiot to think their way through… It might cause you to strain something through unexpected usage

            • David H 2.1.1.1.1.5

              I’m a road user and don’t put words into my mouth. This is a fucking disgrace. Children NEED to have that first year -18 months to bond, my little boy is 11 months old, and as we have been made redundant the only bright side to being broke is his smile we see every day. and we would have hated t o have some stranger, caregiver telling us about his first words, and his crawling, standing up Laughing. we would not have missed that for the world. So stick the RONS up your arse, they are nothing bit a complete waste of money. And only the trolls think they are a good idea.

        • Blighty 2.1.1.2

          So, you’re saying the government doesn’t have a duty to spend the revenue from transport taxes on projects that get the most bang for the buck? They should just build highways to nowhere instead?

    • Zetetic 2.2

      Are you for real James, or just playing at being this dumb? It’s like you missed the whole post. Which is a rebuttal of your rightwhinger argument.

      If we don’t have $150m for paternal leave, how come we’ve got $1.4b a year for roads to nowhere also known as the RoNS, or a billion a year for tax cuts for the rich?

      • Hami Shearlie 2.2.1

        Z, you know the rich NEED their tax cuts. If they don’t get them, their annual holiday in the South of France might have to be reduced to only 1 month, instead of 2! Shame on you Z, fancy wanting to deprive them of that! Next you’ll want them to drive around in cars that are more than 1 year old! Awful! LOL!

    • mike e 2.3

      jturd we can afford it!
      spending on consultants a staggering $600 million National
      Borrowing $14 billion a year under national
      tobacco $6 billion a year problem
      alcohol a $6 billion a year problem
      Gambling A 6 billion a year problem
      poverty a $ 6 billion a year problem
      National is the problem the do nothing government!

    • Georgy 2.4

      So James, how do you see the tax cuts National made in their 2008-2011 term? Affordable? Did NZ earn the money or did it borrow the money? How have these cuts helped our economy? Compare this to the value placed on parents being at home with their babies without being penalised.

  3. james 111 3

    Need to get cars around Micky cant afford Lens rail loop dream that only affects 50,000 people in a city of 1.5 million

    • The cars get around just fine now james. And as oil becomes more expensive people will drive less.  And they will think what bunch of idiots built all these roads we do not need?  And they will complain the the train system cannot handle any more passengers because we did not build the inner city loop.

      PS try nesting your comments. 

      • aerobubble 3.1.1

        Its a fact that much of the growth (energy into the economy) has stopped coming from new oil coming to market but come from citizens cutting back their travel, this will continue for a time until we reach a tipping point, where drivers cannot even afford to get to work. People by then will be screaming for homes near work places and public transport. Every moment the left gets a chance they will be citing Nationals roading white elephant. As capitalists the money is in sidewide economics, where people shift away from high energy usage patterns. That’s why its so shocking to hear the rightwing and their media buddies still pushing the naked weirdo neo-liberal economic paradigm. Methinks its more because they are alrady shifting their own investments to the new societial architecture while the party faithful are being taken for mugs. i.e. farmers are handing out shares in Fonterra, and tax payers handing over state energy asset. Oh, and no buying energy share isn’t the money spinner, the money is in the fees and the bend over approach to trade with China, opening doors here opens doors there for the few behind National spins.

    • ghostwhowalksnz 3.2

      The roads are north of Puhoi !

      • fender 3.2.1

        Please dont confuse james 111 with geographical facts, hes just looking forward to playing on a new road on his mobility scooter, drunk as usual, naked apart from his old socks.

    • irascible 3.3

      If you really want to experience driving where roading & private cars have taken priority over public transport try driving in Egypt or Lebanon or any city where there is no public transport available. Roads are clogged with cars and trucks as well as pedestrians – traffic jams are what you join and spend more time in than getting to work or getting home.
      Give me efficient public transport over roads clogged with private cars any day.

    • Draco T Bastard 3.4

      Need to get cars around…cant afford Lens rail loop dream that only affects 50,000 people in a city of 1.5 million

      Man, are you out of touch with reality.

      We can’t afford cars as they’re far too inefficient especially now that Peak Oil has hit – that’s the real problem that NACT won’t face.

    • rosy 3.5

      “Need to get cars around “
      Funny, I thought we needed to get people around. Cars are simply a method of doing that, and not necessarily the most efficient method. Also thought you’d be for personal choice – which doesn’t mean ‘shall I take the blue car or the silver one today?’

  4. Craig Glen Eden 4

    If we cant afford this we cant afford tax cuts, loan to Media works, payouts to failed investors, holiday roads. But hey this money to help parents and babies aye so National wont give a shit.

    • burt 4.1

      Craig

      Tax cuts are not something we afford… it’s not money the government spends…. I know to a loopy lefty with a sense of entitlement to other peoples money that’s a hard thing to grasp.

      • Zetetic 4.1.1

        In your dipshit world, we could cut all tax and it wouldn’t matter. The fact is that, against the status quo, the 2010 tax package has resulted in a billion dollars a year more borrowing. The decision to cut taxes isn’t free or consequenceless.

        • burt 4.1.1.1

          Zetetic

          In your dipshit world, we could cut all tax and it wouldn’t matter.

          Only a complete dipshit would say that Zetetic… I could be equally demented and say in your dipshit world we can spend as much as we want because all we need to do is tax the rich pricks more to pay for it….. Hey lets quickly forget that under Labour’s great promise to make the rich pay more tax that the real top earners weren’t paying it and the burden fell on middle earners…. Harsh reality…. sorry Zetetic to burst your beautiful dream that socialism works…

          • Draco T Bastard 4.1.1.1.1

            Hey lets quickly forget that under Labour’s great promise to make the rich pay more tax that the real top earners weren’t paying it and the burden fell on middle earners…

            Got proof of that?

            And, also, rich people engaging in theft isn’t an excuse not to tax them.

      • framu 4.1.2

        i think youll find burt that taxes are most definately money that the government spends

        can you afford to cut your revenue stream?

        • burt 4.1.2.1

          Really, taxes are the money the government spends … who would have guessed….

          But seriously, the point is that tax cuts are not an increase in government spending. I can understand that if you take the approach that all income above the level paid to a beneficiary is there for the government to take so it can spend it elsewhere then it’s easy to conflate revenue with expenditure.

          • Draco T Bastard 4.1.2.1.1

            That makes no sense burt. Taxes are there to cover government spending. NACT cut taxes which cut the government revenue which meant that the taxes could no longer cover the governments spending – especially after this government radically increased government spending.

      • Burt, if I was selling you a product, and you asked me for half off, and I told you I couldn’t afford it, you don’t get to tell me that’s loopy logic just because “it’s your money”. If you want even a semblance of a functional government, you have to pay for it, and that means we have to take in enough in taxes that we can afford minimal social protections, which means we can only afford to cut taxes so far.

        Now, I acknowledge many on the right do NOT want a functional government, but that just isn’t something that the rest of us will ever agree to.

        • burt 4.1.3.1

          Burt, if I was selling you a product, and you asked me for half off, and I told you I couldn’t afford it, you don’t get to tell me that’s loopy logic just because “it’s your money”.

          Ah no… that’s not even remotely similar to revenue v expenditure.

          Now, I acknowledge many on the right do NOT want a functional government, but that just isn’t something that the rest of us will ever agree to.

          Functional government…. so extending paid parental leave when we need to borrow to do so is functional government now – god help us when we get closer to the election and all sorts of lolly scramble bribes get classified as essential for functional government.

          You loopy lefties need to understand that every time you dream up new ways to spend other peoples money for electoral popularity that it is actually other people paying.

      • Reagan Cline 4.1.4

        Burt, “entitlement” is a very recent word, therefore a very recent concept, could be a term for a fad concept. You don’t want to be unduly influenced by a fad concept do you ?
        The money you control is yours temporarily, until you dispose of it in some way – how about helping find a way to get it to people who do need it ?

    • ghostwhowalksnz 4.2

      Dont forget the scholarships to private schools. Can we afford that , so that full private schools can boost their declining numbers

  5. Peter Dunne acknowledges that it is expensive, but he’s claiming that in the long run it will save money as it’s an investment in early childhood. Very difficult to quantify that though.

    For every parent on paid leave there is also the opportunity for another person to come off the unemployment benefit or DPD to take up the position, albeit often temporarily. But it may be an important first step into (or back into) the workforce for some.

    • ghostwhowalksnz 5.1

      Surely you arent having a doubt about Peter Dunnes fiscal probity ?. The Minister of Revenue, by definition is an expert on these matters !

    • $150 million is not that expensive as government projects go. If we normalise tax per individual, it adds up to about $9580 each. If we didn’t reduce any costs for the paid parental leave, it would bump that up to about $9600. I’d be quite happy to pay $20 a year to know that if I want kids I get half a year off to bond and take care of my kid, and I’m quite happy to pay that even if I never have kids myself, because I know people who will, and I want them to have plenty of time.

      (If that number seems high, it’s because it includes corporate taxes and other indirect taxes that you don’t directly pay to the government)

  6. ghostwhowalksnz 6

    What about the $180 million paid out to bond holders ( who didnt have a guarantee) in South Canterbury Finance ?
    Was that affordable ?

    They have just built a $30 million temporary rugby stadium in Christchurch- in record time , which is unusual as far as any reconstruction goes down that way.

    • james 111 6.1

      I believe it we can make it cost neutral by stopping young female breeding machines using the DPB as a revenue source without due consideration for the children then it may be possible.

      If we limit the DPB to a genuine accident 1 child as Bill Clinton did in the States we could probably afford to give parents this payment.

      Unfortunately we don’t have money trees out there and the problem for Socialists has always been when they run out of using other people money what then?

      When you have a child you have to make sacrifices be it financial or life style. What I don’t understand with the Socialist ideology. They want to take personal responsibility and accountability out of every situation is this carefully contrived thought controlling process agenda? subtle Social engineering may be

      • framu 6.1.1

        why are you bringing the DPB into this? they arent the same thing

        also – your last para makes no sense

        • ghostwhowalksnz 6.1.1.1

          What he means, is the rich can afford to have a mother full time at home, the poor just ‘make bad choices’

        • Draco T Bastard 6.1.1.2

          It’s james111 – he doesn’t make any sense at all, ever.

          • fender 6.1.1.2.1

            NEVER EVER

            james 111 needs to stay off the grog, he’s off the planet and requires help.

            As McFlock pointed out a few weeks ago there’s a rather gross habit james has to ensure he never impregnates a woman (although surely just him talking would ruin his chances to copulate). It involves an old sock and clearly its overflowing again. But take it easy on little jim as its obviously time his extended family intervened to cure his drunken wanked up ramblings.

            james dont be too embarrassed if you read your posts after you recieve treatment, we understand and look forward to you showing us that you do have a coherent thought process.

      • Uturn 6.1.2

        If you reference your own misunderstanding of concepts then it’s no wonder you’re confused. Who really can help you? You could pick up a book, or even do a google search, to find the definition of the terms you redefine here incorrectly, but your ideology has stolen all your personal responsiblity. Subtle social engineering, maybe? I don’t even know how a person can hold an ideology they clearly don’t understand. Like some others, I think you might be more interested in the philosophy of Egoism rather than right-wing politics.

        The idea you were looking for is… unavailable. Uturn has not charged you for this idea.

      • Hami Shearlie 6.1.3

        “Young female breeding machines”? I think you’ll find it takes two to tango J111! The women are left holding the babies, but where are all the invisible fathers. When does their share of blame get meted out?

        • mike e 6.1.3.1

          HS the men that help create the children are in the prison Australia .
          The rest are in the Nact party misogynist rednecks.
          Ask dirty old Don or nick

      • McFlock 6.1.4

        I think we could lower the number of “breeding machines” by giving abstinence rings out in schools, and shooting more storks as they fly overhead with the babies.
           
        Better yet, even more tax cuts for the rich will motivate more “breeding machines” to avoid pregnancy and concentrate on their careers. /sarc
              
        I think that covers most of jimmy the turd’s idiocy for the next couple of hours.

      • mike e 6.1.5

        J turd Paula Bennett her daughter grand child future son in law John Key all products of the DPB.
        I rest my case.

        • burt 6.1.5.1

          Exactly, so what’s the plan – win an election by creating more of these people – yep that will be good for NZ.

          • McFlock 6.1.5.1.1

            “these people”
                      
            One of the expressions I regard as a big flag that the commenter is possibly an ignorant jerkoff.
            Oh, it’s Burt. Issue no longer in doubt.

      • Millhouse 6.1.6

        @ james 111

        I am afraid to say that the “young female breeding machines using the DPB as a revenue source” are simply a lurid and masturbatory fantasy dreamed up by people like you in order to justify class warfare. Only 3.1 % of those on the DPB are under 20 years of age, and of those 67.7% are on the DPB for less than four years. Aside from the odd morally bankrupt person nobody is breading for $293 a week.

        Grow up.

        • ianmac 6.1.6.1

          Millhouse good response, but I am afraid that James 111 is impervious to facts and figures. Fairly sure that he plays a weird game of deliberate provocation. And it works. A sort of bullfighter from the safety behind the rails of the arena.

    • aerobubble 6.2

      National like to assert the deposit guarentee was Labour’s policy (despite there being a global crisis) and ignore the fact that National failed to manage the scheme leaving it open.

      Remember that National does not believe in regulation. Did, for example, Peak River Mine suddenly become even safer when key won power, because of the now widespread belief that deregulation makes the markets more concerned about disasters? Or really does it just give middle managers more time to relax and not do their jobs? Safe guard investors and keep employees safe.

      National are naked freaks and weirdos, their beliefs are moronically simplistic and self-over rated.

      • Dv 6.2.1

        And the nacts agreed to the scheme too!

      • Frida 6.2.2

        But the decision to pay out the unsecured, unguaranteed bond holders was definitely under National, not Labour. Same with the decision to let SCF into the extended scheme.

        • mike e 6.2.2.1

          Frida against treasury advice, I suspect to many Nat supporters would have gone bankrupt.

  7. Colonial Viper 7

    When the RWNJs say its “unaffordable” its because the money is going into the community at large, and isn’t going into their rich mates’ pockets. If it was, it would be a “national priority”.

    • burt 7.1

      No CV, money is going to people having children…. many of which will enjoy it but certainly don’t need it. But I’ll put my socialist hat on – why only 26 weeks ?

      Why not pay full parental leave till the child leaves home – whatever age that is?

      • Colonial Viper 7.1.1

        burt returns to his well worn “you’re asking for one lollypop, but we’re going to turn you down because next you’ll be asking for the whole chocolate factory” argument.

      • framu 7.1.2

        ” But I’ll put my socialist hat on – why only 26 weeks ”

        no – thats putting your idiot hat on

  8. bad12 8

    Lets have a little look at the economics of this,an examination of such economics should by definition be of more intellectual rigour than that which can be mustered by the economic neanderthals currently in charge of the treasury Benches,

    National,s economic ”thinking” on this and ”its” overall approach can be best described as more akin to economic decisions a tribe of Chimpanzees would make around a collection of Bananas,

    To make such an extension of Paid Parental Leave stack up in terms of economics We only have to satisfy ourselves of one economic ”Given”,

    If We take it as a ”Given” that those who would be the beneficiaries of the Paid Parental Leave extension,(leaving out the impending moko’s for the moment), were in fact in employment on the basis that that employment was neccessary for the employer to enable His/Her business to successfully operate,

    Then the supposed 150 million dollars cost to Government is simply highlighting the downside of the cost while ignoring any benefits on the plus side of the Governments revenue indicators,

    Heres how it works,assuming that the employer will have to employ someone for the 6 month period of Paid Parental Leave to cover for the employee away on Paid Parental Leave then in the churn of employment someone will be employed,

    That person employed isn’t neccessarily going to be employed in that particular position having come straight off of the dole queue BUT in theory someone must become employed and there would now be a reasonable expectation that in the economy there would now be 1 more employment position available albeit only for the 6 month period of the Paid Parental Need,

    The economic reality says that for every Parent off work for a period of paid leave should that leave be extended to 6 months there in fact will be 1 person currently unemployed who will be employed for that 6 months

    So,while Government pays out 1 Paid Parental Leave it will gain 1 new employee into the workforce paying tax and that 1 new employee would have been either on the dole or expected to join the queue,

    Its a blindness that the economic Chimps currently pulling the levers of economy in desperation to create for themselves some good news just cannot grasp as they view the economy through a microscope concentrating on the micro and macro situation whilst ignoring the glaring realities that sit mere inch’s from their noses,

    Of course 6 months Paid Parental Leave is affordable, such an extension also creates wider social and economic pluses than just within the family where the Parental Leave is being extended to….

    • ChrisH 8.2

      Actually this is more likely to happen with 6 months leave. The employer will take on a temp for that long. At 14 weeks they’ll just let the work pile up because it won’t be worth the hassle to take on someone for that short a time.

      • Colonial Viper 8.2.1

        Taking on a temp means another worker employed in a useful job. Awesome!

        • Jim Nald 8.2.1.1

          Re economics … cost … benefits …

          It would be nice to hear the progressive parties stating the case for this legislative initiative as a worthy and financially wise investment in families, children, our next generation, et al.

  9. tsmithfield 9

    So, if this parental leave proposal isn’t too expensive, perhaps some of the lefties here could give an opinion on the level at which it would become too expensive.

    • Colonial Viper 9.1

      Just cancel the fucking holiday highway, it’ll pay for 20 years of additional paid parental leave.

    • Uturn 9.2

      Alternatively, can you give an opinion of when it would be affordable?

    • bad12 9.3

      Naturally as per your political prediliction you can only see Paid Parental Leave in strict dollars and cents,

      The imperative for such Paid Parental Leave rests not in any ”we thunk it therefor it should be” mentality,such Legislative imperative is strictly the preserve of the National Government,

      EVERY study whether local or international on the raising and caring of children clearly shows that in particular Mothers should be on hand for the first 6 months of a childs life not on a part time basis but as a matter of full time care,

      It would then seem obvious to all except the most dull that 6 months would be the ultimate in terms of time for such Paid Parental leave to be extended…

      • tsmithfield 9.3.1

        I am not the one claiming it to be affordable. If someone is claiming something is affordable, they must have some idea of when it is unaffordable to make the first claim.

    • McFlock 9.4

      If we can afford to spend many times the amount on roads that will probably not be needed, we can afford to enable parents to spend more time with their newborn. In fact, I’d suggest at least matching funds.
            
      It’s not a fixed amount that determines “affordability”, it’s a question of priorities. Children or limos with heated seats? Children or tax cuts for the already wealthy? Children or casino conference centres? Children or roads to nowhere? 

      • tsmithfield 9.4.1

        See my post below. I agree with you it is about priorities.

        Roads are obviously an important function of government. I am sure there is a lot of varying opinion on the merit worthiness of any particular roading project.

        I agree with you about MPs and Limos. We should have our politicians and visiting dignatories transported around in 1992 Camrys. We could also bowl the beehive, sell off the land, and find a farmer willing to rent a large barn somewhere for the politicians to debate in. That would also free up more money for social endevours.

        • Colonial Viper 9.4.1.1

          We should have our politicians and visiting dignatories transported around in 1992 Camrys.

          I’m glad you brought this up. What exactly was insufficient about the 2007 BMW 7-series limos valued at over $170K each new, that they had to be replaced during this time of “fiscal restraint”?

          Seems like another case of priorities for rich mates and the road transport industry, and nothing for young mothers.

          National is getting fucked over this. They’ve got another 2.5 years to keep it up.

          • tsmithfield 9.4.1.1.1

            If the deal stacked up financially, I wouldn’t have a problem with this. For instance, if the cars were coming out of warranty, but still had high resale value, and the new cars were purchased on very favourable terms, then it may well have stacked up as a package.

            I guess it is the price of running government that there needs to be some prestige and respect associated with the role that is reflected in the type of car driven. Notice that the previous government set up the deal for the 2007 BMW’s, so you shouldn’t just blame National in this respect.

            We just need to decide what is an appropriate level of vehicle for government officials and dignatories. I don’t think many here would think my suggestion of 92 Camry’s is suitable, for example.

            I would question buying BMWs though. European cars tend to be maintenance nightmares, having owned a Audi previously (never again). I would prefer to see them in Lexus’s, as they are just glorified Camry’s so, tend to have much higher reliability.

            • Colonial Viper 9.4.1.1.1.1

              So you agree that there are a lot of savings which could be made, and which wouldn’t be at the expense of young expectant mothers?

              • tsmithfield

                I agree there are savings to be made. Where those savings should be directed is another matter. For instance, should they go to young mothers, health care, paying off government debt etc etc?

                • McFlock

                  Prioritising needs is definitely a debate to have. In the future. When we get to it. When the government decides that the various cases of bling-expenditure (like roads that aren’t actually needed, or limos with all the options, or ministerial jaunts on the airforce 757) should be turned into actual savings.
                         
                  At the moment there seems to be an awful lot of higher-level waste at the whim of ministers. Once that is sorted (probably by an incoming Labour/Green government) we can argue about prioritising which needs are addressed first.

                  In the meantime this is a piddly step in the right direction.

                  • tsmithfield

                    And the government is focusing on getting rid of waste from the public service, so in principle, you would agree with this sort of approach if it frees up money for other things?

                    • Colonial Viper

                      I guess doubling and tripling consultants fees is “getting rid of waste” eh?

                      Oh I see, spending money on helping people who need it is “waste”, while spending money on National friendly consultants is “important”.

                    • tsmithfield

                      I didn’t mean that you necessarily agreed with the way the government is going about it. But, would you agree, in principle, it is a good thing for the government to cut out waste so they have more to focus on important areas?

                    • McFlock

                      It is a good thing to cut out waste from the public service.
                              
                      Where “waste” is synonymous with “duplicated or archaic work practises that serve no good purpose, excessive higher-level remuneration packages, appointments that do not follow best practise, or projects that have negligible benefit:cost ratios”.
                                
                      This government seems to ignore all the above and instead define “waste” as “firing trained and experienced public service staff who previously provided needed, but unglamorous, services to the general public, and fill in the gap with often issue-unfamiliar people who charge more to do less”.  

                    • tsmithfield

                      Ok. We’re on the same page, in principle. It is just a matter of objectively identifying waste, free of political bias.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Clearly, poor people are a waste. Send them to Fiji.

          • Fortran 9.4.1.1.2

            CV

            Please advise where you got the “$170,000″ limos from ?
            Just bulldust – look up the relatve figures and get your fact right.

            • Colonial Viper 9.4.1.1.2.1

              $180K then. That’sshowroom sticker price of course, the Govt got them cheaper by buying a shipload.

              But why did they need to be replaced?

              Savings need to go in sensible places and not buying new cars for a couple more years in a time of “fiscal restraint” would be more sensible than harming young mothers and infants.

  10. Dune from Firstline:

    Parental leave bill ‘step in the right direction’ – Dunne

    The bill will strengthen the relationship between parents and children, providing a long-term benefit for social development, Mr Dunne says.

    While the $150 million required for the bill “is expensive”, Mr Dunne says criticism of the cost “actually misses the point”.

    “There’s a long-term saving because of other social costs not having to be met [and] you can stage the implementation over a period of time, to spread that cost,” he says.

    Issues including cost and implementation time “can be teased out during the select committee stage”.

    • bad12 10.1

      In the context of the ”Government Spend” 150 million is a mere puff of steam from the boiler-room of economy,

      Government could simply rid itself of the myriad ”con-sultants” busily goosing the various Ministers egos by writing white papers for Ministers attempting to find justification for actions the various Ministers want and intend to do…

    • Dunne on the confidence and supply possibility (from FB):

      I would be very surprised indeed if the government chose to make this a confidence and supply issue. While it is technically possible, it is most unlikely, I would think.

      I think National will have to tread very carefully considering use of the veto. I expect they’ll do their usual research and find that it’s something heavily supported by women – it’s mostly men arguing against it.

      • Pascal's bookie 10.2.1

        using the veto wouldn’t make it a C&S issue, it would just mean that the bill would be denied a third reading and vote.

        He is saying that he doubts the govt would grant leave for a confidence vote if/when they use the veto.

        • ghostwhowalksnz 10.2.1.1

          The veto is not a vote , its just a procedural thing that stops it in its tracks.

        • Pete George 10.2.1.2

          Yeah, I mixed the two up.

          The C&S possibility was first raised, but that’s moved to speculation on a possible veto. Far too soon for that anyway. The bill should at least be considered by select committee.

          Instant blog and MSM decisions fortunately aren’t a binding part of our democratic process.

  11. Karl Sinclair 11

    Quote from the Movie Equus:

    ‘The normal is the good smile in a child’s eyes. There’s also the dead stare in a million adults. It both sustains and kills, like a god. It is the ordinary made beautiful, it is also the average made lethal.’

    The National Party is AVERAGE……

    Mind the GAP (educational one that is)

  12. tsmithfield 12

    I don’t think anyone would argue this is a bad idea. In fact, if both parents are together, it would be even better if they both could have time off with the new child. For a whole year would be wonderful. However, it is a question of priorities.

    If the government wants to run a zero budget, or reduce debt through reducing expenditure even further, then something else has to miss out. If the government increases income through higher taxation or borrowing, then that extra funding could have been applied elsewhere. Perhaps more hip operations, or increased funds for parents to care for disabled children maybe.

    • Roy 12.1

      Hip operations for old farts who are socially and biologically obsolete, rather than paid parental leave for the citizens of the future? Makes no sense at all. What we ought to have is palliative care only for anyone over 75. Oh yeah, and means-tested superannuation. That would save a lot of money that could be spent on people who are more valuable to society: Babies and children!
      There is no more important time of life than prenatal, infancy and childhood. THAT’S where we should spend money, not on the Greedy Greys.

      • tsmithfield 12.1.1

        See if you still think like that when you’re over 75.

        • King Kong 12.1.1.1

          See if you still think like that when you are over 18.

          • tsmithfield 12.1.1.1.1

            To true. :smile:

            • Roy 12.1.1.1.1.1

              I’m over 50. I still think people over 65 are socially and biologically obsolete, and need to get their greedy snouts out of the trough and recognize that infants and children matter far more than they do. If my kids don’t love me enough to help me when I’m old, that’ll be my fault and proof that I failed as a parent. I think they will help me, though. Why, won’t yours help you?

              • Colonial Viper

                I still think people over 65 are socially and biologically obsolete

                Some are, but some get this way by the time they turn 35.

                Frankly, some of our rasher younger ones have a lot to learn from our wiser older ones.

              • lprent

                Ummm. An interesting viewpoint. So because I didn’t have kids to support me (I merely supported my parents helped raise my sisters kids and half of the teens around the family), then by definition I will be worthless.

                Damn I knew that I should have never paid all of those taxes for the superannuation of others and to help raise all of those kiddies.

                Basically, I’ll file you under category “A fool for the teasers to play with” aka dickhead

                • tsmithfield

                  I can’t tell if this person is left wing (e.g. he wants to spend lots of money on children and babies) or right wing (e.g. he wants to reduce costs), but you can have him on your team if you want.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    It seems the Right haven’t figured out that in an aging population, you have to look after the young ones and keep them in NZ, or you’re going to be stuffed when its your turn to be a geriatric cripple.

                  • Roy

                    I want to spend lots of money on babies and children, and I propose to raise the money by halting the absurd practice of throwing superannuation at multi-millionaires (e.g. Bob Jones, Don Brash)just because they are over 65. Hence, I think superannuation should be means-tested so that if you have lots of money from other sources (continued employment, investments etc) you don’t get it. That’s what Australia does, and it works.
                    I am also opposed to squandering money on top-of-the-line medical care for people over 75, at the taxpayer’s expense. Hence, palliative-only care for those over 75, or maybe over 80. Whatever. I’ve seen in my own family people well into their 80′s, whose bodies are trying desperately to die, being propped up at ridiculous expense to the taxpayer, and I know plenty of medical and nursing professionals who complain about the same thing. Society’s attitude that length of life, rather than quality, is important, is foolish. So is our practice as a society of pandering to the aged and assuming that grey hairs mean wisdom, while treating children and those who care for them with contempt. That’s completely ass-backwards. Grey hairs don’t mean wisdom; people who have been stupid all their lives stay that way when they are old or get worse as senility sets in. Infants and children are the most important stage of life, in terms of establishing the physical, mental and social health of the person for the rest of their life, and we should be recognizing them as the most valuable. Old people should have the humility to recognize that their time is over and that it’s someone else’s world now. Instead we have the Greedy Greys enjoying the lowest poverty levels of any demographic (<5%) while 25% of children grow up in poverty. That's obscene, and it suggests that sociopathy is epidemic among our elderly.

                • Roy

                  If you didn’t have kids, you should have been able to save $$$ for your retirement and medical care therein. If you didn’t save, that makes you the dickhead.

                  • lprent

                    Apart from my own personal stash, I have also paid taxes for a universal untargeted national superannuation and the health system. That makes that system simple, effective, and covers the whole of our society. If you want more than is available from that, then you pay for your own extras like health insurance and extra savings.

                    The costs of means testing most of these types of systems almost invariably costs more for both the system and participants than what would be saved. It is cheaper for society to not means test. It is only a few mindless dorks like yourself who prefer inefficient systems who ever argue against it.

                    Doesn’t rely on freeloading on kiddies – which is what you were advocating.

              • King Kong

                You make a splendid argument for privatised healthcare.

      • ghostwhowalksnz 12.1.2

        And what about disabled people?

        Thats about $2 bill a year for people who will never work and are also “socially and biologically obsolete”

        • Roy 12.1.2.1

          Why do you assume disabled people are socially and biologically obsolete? I wouldn’t make that assumption. I know too many disabled people who are socially and/or biologically functional.

          • ghostwhowalksnz 12.1.2.1.1

            Your argument is absurd. Now we are down to choosing who is obsolete because you know a few that arent?

  13. jcuknz 13

    If you are going to keep the children you have around eight/nine months to prepare for the expense …. if you cannot afford it then take precaustions so you don’t have children. The world doesn’t need more children.
    I am sure the money can be found, just borrow more.
    It is typical and foolish left wing ‘money grows on trees’ thinking.

    • ghostwhowalksnz 13.1

      Thats why the taxpayers spent $1 billion plus to the investors in SCF, plus the bondholders who werent guaranteed.
      They got the money because it was ‘tidier’

    • ghostwhowalksnz 13.2

      What about this on IRD website for 2012

      You may be eligible for a tax credit if you:

      paid for childcare or a housekeeper.

      Paying for childcare is a tax credit, ie government giving you money , while an extra 14 weeks parental leave is impossible since money doesnt grow on trees

    • QoT 13.3

      take precaustions so you don’t have children

      Check it out! JC has discovered a completely free, convenient, 100% effective method of contraception! Awesome! Or, possibly, lives in a magical alternate New Zealand where abortion is legal! Someone pass the ‘shrooms, I wanna go visit.

  14. Sam Hill 14

    I get the point of the graphs. Our economy is in so much debt that $150 million is hardly a significant amount to be spending to insure that kids form a bond with their parents. All those people arguing against this because we can’t afford it should be thinking about whether New Zealand even has a chance of fixing our 40 years broken economy without a very radical government being elected. At the moment National and Labour have neither the guts nor the brains to come up with anything that addresses the major problems facing this country.

    • ghostwhowalksnz 14.1

      Yeah right , how come ACTs policies which you endorse got a little over 1%.

      The government borrows for the same reason companies do. It spreads the cost over future generations who will benefit.

      • Sam Hill 14.1.1

        What are you on about? I don’t endorse Act’s policies. Where did you get that preposterous idea?

        We need to make land available to provide affordable housing for the next generation of New Zealanders. We need to smash down many of our poorly built, damp, leaky homes and build new sustainable homes. We need to understand that Auckland will not be able to cope with the crisis emerging in that city because it has neither the finances or the logistical ability to cope with the task. Christchurch is facing huge pressure right now, but our largest city will face massive population, economic and housing problems in the next 20 years.

        The entire country needs to understand these issues and think of nationwide solutions to the problems. We need to stop looking at homes as financial assets to make a profit on and start thinking about them as a basic human need.

        • Reagan Cline 14.1.1.1

          Sam, our government needs to ensure that affordable housing is available to those on a low income, particularly those who support others.
          The interest in Property and Cars is obvious. Look at the Herald supplements, listen to conversations over the back fence. It is pretty strong in NZ – would take a bit of changing.
          It does provide employment – estate agencies, lawyers offices, painting, building, plumbing and electrical and gas fitting firms, furniture and household goods like bathroon and kitchen fittings shops etc etc.
          The craving for capital gain on residential property provides a lot of employment and encourages do-it- yourself endeavours and property maintenance (a creative endeavour – very satisfying to many).
          People making a buck out of residential property is acceptable in my book as long as everyone can readily afford to live in a house or apartment. Housing is a fundamental need and a good government would make sure it was available.
          My own view is all land should be owned by a democratically elected body with universal suffrage and compulsory voting, no election advertising other than of policies and a funding ceiling – and rented out as need be. Owning things is crazy when you can borrow and share.

  15. Treetop 15

    The government not finding 150 million a year for child welfare is the third strike for me.

    First strike: punitive policies for parents receiving the DPB.
    Second strike: not completing research and discussion on the green paper (child welfare).
    Third strike: will only increase paid parental leave to 26 weeks if it is going to cost them votes.

    The Nats need to consider a by election being held due to the unexpected occuring.

    • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 15.1

      Oh noes. Did you vote National last election?

      • Treetop 15.1.1

        Did you vote National last election?

        Do I sound as though I would vote for National?

        I always vote.

        • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 15.1.1.1

          So what was all that strike nonsense? You were never going to let them bat anyway.

          • Treetop 15.1.1.1.1

            You were never going to let them bat anyway.

            I do not go around with blinkers on my eyes when it comes to any government. Occasionally I like a National Government policy. When I feel that a government is getting it wrong I will voice my opinion as I have in 15 and I do realise that I am being judgmental.

  16. Jeremy 16

    I agree it’s not a question about being too expensive.

  17. Apparently the veto is going to happen according top @avancenz:

    English says govt will veto paid parental leave bill.
    He says it will not be politically damaging as the public are “pragmatic.”

    It will be interesting to see how “pragmatic” the public are, especialy when English is making this decision before the actual size and timing has been discussed and decided in parliament.

  18. Ed 18

    NRT has an interesting perspective on this
    http://www.norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2012/04/financial-veto-and-constitution.html
    Would a majority in favour of the bill be prepared to also vote to suspect Standing Orders?

    • Ed 18.1

      Of course I should have said suspend not suspect.

      Is such a suspension of standing orders possible by a majority of members of parliament?

  19. fender 19

    Its interesting that Double Dipton says we cant afford this and need to wait until we return to surplus, however surely the same argument would apply to cutting taxes.

    • Treetop 19.1

      English is not interested in the gains, all he is focusing on is the money hook.

      A major gain would be giving a woman 12 extra weeks to sort out post – natal depression which is not always picked up in the first 14 weeks of a delivery.

      Even if extending the Paid Parental Bill does not make the third reading, I hope that it is debated in the House.

      • Jim Nald 19.1.1

        Is TAB taking bets that John Key will go ahead and kill le Bill ?

        • bad12 19.1.1.1

          Nah the Tory’s are fronting the Member from Dipton on this, no-one likes Bill so they consider that there is less damage being done to the Party overall at a time when the support has definitely gone soft than have Slippery on the TV giving out the negative message,

          In such situations We don’t see Slippery as having the intellectual rigour to front foot stuff like this anything past the politics of smile’nwave is way over our Prime Ministers head…

    • David H 19.2

      And what about the double dipton dipping on his properties???? Farkin thief.

    • PoliticallyCorrected 19.3

      Surely the same argument would apply to his double dipton accommodation rort.

  20. George D 20

    The moment it becomes about cost, the debate is lost. It’s their spin trump card. Never mind that we can afford it; what do families know about government finances?

    It’s about families, children, mothers, fathers, people. Not cost. It was very nice to see Labour put a policy-based hit on the government. But if they don’t go into an intense media-drive, with a disciplined message about families, they’ll lose the impetus they’ve built. That would be disappointing.

  21. Descendant Of Smith 21

    Of course if they paid more money directly to the families there would be:

    1. Less paid to the private sector from government funds for childcare
    2. Less DPB paid as some people currently do separate due to the financial pressure

    It makes no sense to pay childcare centres money to care for some mothers child who has to go to work – much of which would then be paid in childcare.

    Of course if they lifted the minimum wage to a decent amount.

    Here’s some expenditure they could cut:

    It also shows the cost of consultants at the Treasury has increased from $1.5 million in 2008 to $8 million in 2011.

  22. fatty 22

    This is National’s forward thinking again…in 16-20 years we should have ourselves a significant crime spike which will create a number of jobs – police, social workers, law etc.
    Reminds me of how Fatty Brownstain claims to be building roads cause oil prices are cyclical…that will come in use in 10million years.

    Roads ‘already paid for’ is a stupid line to suck in stupid voters. Tax is tax, spending is spending.
    please, can people try not to be stupid

  23. Steve 23

    Complete BS that we as a country cannot afford this..

    Cancel Puhoi-Wellsford in its current form and instead spend $3-500m on Operation Lifesaver to bypass Warkworth and alleviate the bottleneck at the end of the Northern Gateway. This is estimated to bring in approx 80% of the Puford benefits which if you believe has a BCR of around 1 on a $1.5-$2b project would result in between $1.2-$1.6b of benefits for Lifesaver and BCR of at least 2.4. Wow a BCR that suggests a project is worth doing1

    With the remaining $1b or so spend some on upgrading / extending the North Auckland Rail line to Marsden Point so big freight trains can run from the deepwater port to Auckland. This not only reduces the some of the need for a trucking route but also saves us in maintenance to repair the damage that the bigger trucks on the road do.

    We’ve still probably got $750m left which pays for 5 years of extending paid parental to 6 months and there are likely to be other benefits e.g. costs avoided that make the return on this investment well worth it.

    We could also look at rebalancing some of the WFF spend e.g. why are taxpayers contributing where there are more than 3 kids – population replacement is only 2 point something. Am all for population replacement, but beyond that.. Same could apply with paid parental to make it more equitable..

  24. Foreign Waka 24

    I am reading through the comments and a lot of them are about roads, taxes, cars etc…. not many comments about mothers who have to get ready in all but three months to go back to work. Many European countries have a minimum of 1 year maternity leave because of the support for mother and child to establish and maintain breastfeeding, bonding between child and mother, any routine development – sleeping, feeding, health issues etc. I belief that 1 year should be the minimum, after which a good daycare center that has some understanding of the importance of the child’s brain development over the next 2-3 years.Of cause such wild and lofty ideas would need investment but I guess the difference to politicians is the choice of words for such undertaking. One should not forget that a parent thinks about a child’s future that goes beyond 3 years and some populist pondering to the one’s who sponsor the election campaign.

  25. Blue 25

    This is what really pisses me off about Labour. Priorities. Extending paid parental leave is a nice idea. But it is not really top priority at the moment. The current leave entitlements are far from barbaric, the country is in the economic shit, and there are bigger fish to fry.

    But Labour only ever get headlines for shit like this, making them look like morons who live on a different planet to most Kiwis.

    This is not the right time for this bill, it’s as simple as that.

    If there is one thing that lame-duck Shearer could try to get right, it’s making sure that Labour focus on and are seen to focus on what is most pressing and important.

    • QoT 25.1

      You know Labour’s in Opposition right now, right? You know that the bill is a Private Member’s Bill in the name of Sue Moroney, so not actually official Labour policy (though obviously it has the support of the caucus) right?

      On top of those annoying little facts … you’re talking about a bill which has an obvious good social impact, for comparatively low cost, one which at least in its first reading will have the support of a majority of Parliament, every party except NACT, and is garnering a lot of media attention which is at worst neutral publicity-building and at best a signal to disaffected centre-left voters that Labour gives a shit about important social issues …

      Yeah. Such a terrible own-goal. *headdesk*

      (Well, I’m sure they’ll find a way to spin it wrong, in which case you might have a point, but right now? Not so much, mate.)

      • Blue 25.1.1

        I am not saying that this is a bad idea. I am saying it blatantly flies in the face of the public mood at the moment. If the economy was healthy, then I would say go ahead, have at it. But it’s not.

        Times are tough, and people in the street know that because they are suffering. They want a party that understands that, not one that looks like it doesn’t get it.

        Labour right now look like they don’t get it. However the bill came about, all the public sees is Labour with a ‘let them eat cake’ attitude. It is a PR disaster.

        • Colonial Viper 25.1.1.1

          You’re no judge of the public mood.

          However the bill came about, all the public sees is Labour with a ‘let them eat cake’ attitude. It is a PR disaster.

          WTF are you on about.

          How does extending parental leave equate at all with a dismissive “let (the poor) eat cake” attitude? Let’s hear your logic.

          • Blue 25.1.1.1.1

            It’s about having no idea and being out of touch. If the poor are rioting because there is no bread, well, why don’t they eat cake instead?

            If the people in NZ are struggling with job insecurity, rising living costs and the public services they rely on being cut, do they really give a shit about extending paid parental leave that they will never take because they are too worried about not having a job to come back to?

            It’s about priorities. Extending paid parental leave = cake. Fixing the economic shitstorm we are currently in = bread.

            • Colonial Viper 25.1.1.1.1.1

              It’s about having no idea and being out of touch. If the poor are rioting because there is no bread, well, why don’t they eat cake instead?

              Which riots (literal or metaphorical) are you referring to?

              do they really give a shit about extending paid parental leave that they will never take because they are too worried about not having a job to come back to?

              A large proportion of the million or so employed women in this country will care.

              It’s about priorities. Extending paid parental leave = cake. Fixing the economic shitstorm we are currently in = bread.

              Labour can’t fix the economic shit storm we are in. Well, it could, but its not going to be the kind of fix which ‘brings back BAU growth’ and anyhows, the will is not there to do it.

            • Ed 25.1.1.1.1.2

              So if it is just priorities, would 0.5 % added to all tax rates increase revenue by more than enough to pay for it? That would be choosing a different priority wouldn’t it? Would 0.1% be enough?

              Alternatively, we know that the government believes that reducing the top tax rate stimulates higher profits and increased tax revenue – would a reduction in the top tax rate of say 1% be enough to generate additional revenue to cover this initiative?

        • QoT 25.1.1.2

          … You don’t think the “people in the street”‘s concerns also include “how the fuck can I afford to have kids / why would I even bother having kids when I’ll have to go straight back to work”?

    • Draco T Bastard 25.2

      The current leave entitlements are far from barbaric, the country is in the economic shit, and there are bigger fish to fry.

      Actually, economically, we’re not – financially we are but that’s all delusion anyway.

  26. Tombstone 26

    Hand outs to the rich no problem – do something for our mums and their babies and suddenly the National faithful are beating their chests and claiming that it’s unaffordable and just another case of handouts for bludgers. Seems to me that the National faithful are just a pack of sorry arsed wankers who love nothing more than worship false gods and sneer at those who they consider to be beneath them. It’s called ignorance.

  27. just saying 27

    30 years ago I would loved to have had another child. We chose not to because we both worked and could not afford the time off. $150m in the scheme of things is not a lot (if that is the correct figure). The author mentions some National errors etc, so identify those costs, eliminate them and then we can afford the parental leave.

  28. Steve Wrathall 28

    So, $1B/month of extra debt piled onto our children is unsufficient? You want to increase this further by even more middle-class welfare? Obviously Labour’s learned nought from last year’s public rejection of their sanctimonious spendthrift ways and their smearing their opponents as anti-family. And funny how the bloated Euro welfare states thrown up as examples to emulate in this debate are hurtling towards bankruptcy and desperately trying tio claw back their entitlements. Yeah, lets follow them over the cliff.

    • Billy Fish 28.1

      “And funny how the bloated Euro welfare states thrown up as examples to emulate in this debate are hurtling towards bankruptcy and desperately trying tio claw back their entitlements. Yeah, lets follow them over the cliff.”

      some are and some aren’t so this is a diversion and pointless issue to raise.

      the question of piling an extra $1B per month onto debt is a valid one and how this pans out in this discussion is a good question.

    • Descendant Of Smith 28.2

      If you were being consistent you would agree that the tax cuts National gave were unaffordable.

      You would also be critical of much of this government’s expenditure including giving more money to private schools, the spending on the roads that make little difference to the country, the increase in the Prime Minister’s support team, the shift of money to private enterprise via consultants, the Prime Minister awarding financial cash prizes to people, the payments made to Jenny Shipley et al for doing what in Chch ( if you can tell me what Shipley has actually done to earn her money I’d be gobsmacked), the “loan” to cover Mediaworks licensing fees, the millions thrown at religious fundamentalists for “parenting programs”, and so on.

      The list of expenditure we could not afford is endless.

      You would be highly critical of the government extending the bailout further for SCF and also including interest payments over and above.

      You might also be arguing for income testing of NZS.

      This government has borrowed more money than any other government and somehow you think they are some sort of financial maestro who have the country’s interests at heart.

      The only austerity measures being implemented are on the most vulnerable – it’s completely fucked up and upside down.

  29. james 111 29

    Interesting when Labour was in and brought in parental leave for 3 months.The mother and leader of the party at that time Helen Clark was asked why they didn’t do 6 months like other countries? She replied we looked at it but it was unaffordable.
    So it was unaffordable then in better economic times than now . Why would it be affordable now?

    Very hypocritical for the Labour party to even be supporting the bill.This is the issue I have with the Labour party there is no pragmatism,and realism.

    • Colonial Viper 29.1

      So it was unaffordable then in better economic times than now . Why would it be affordable now?

      Uh, because Labour had a whole range of other important things to spend on back then, and 3 months was a vast improvement on no months. Any other daft questions?

  30. james 111 30

    Can anyone tell me what the Meatworkers union has been doing with all the funds it has been receiving as it certainly hasnt been fully declaring them. Surely they havent been ripping off the workers ?

    CEO Hamish Simson says the union has not declared its total income, and has failed to disclose what it does with its members’ contributions.

    “It appears from the union’s published financial statements that only a fraction of its total income has been declared,” says Mr Simson.

    “Affco workers contribute over $500,000 to the union each year, paying $5.95 each per week. Affco workers represent less than 10 percent of the 23,000 members the Union says it has and yet it only declares revenue of just over $700,000 per annum”.

    • fender 30.1

      Hey “old sock jim”, check out what the SFO spokesman had to say on the matter. He stopped short of calling the allegations “frivolous” to protect himself legally, but its clear to all that Affco were just trying to detract from the real issues with their mud slinging. Theres been no misappropriation of funds as the Union are an honest bunch and dont operate like many dishonest companies, however much you wish they would.

  31. Jenny 31

    Dictatorship

    Democracy suffers with use of veto.
    What is even more appalling, is that this first ever unprecedented use of the veto in the history of our parliament is being used not in war, or Depression, or dire national emergency but to attack mothers and infants.

    Acting Prime Minister Bill English confirmed yesterday the Government would stop Labour MP Sue Moroney’s member’s bill, which would have increased the allowance from 14 weeks to 26 by 2014.
    The bill seemed likely to pass after most political parties, except ACT and National, had indicated they would vote for it

    stuff.co.nz Last updated 05:00 12/04/201

    The big lie

    Like all attacks on democracy it requires the big lie.

    A Big Lie from a government that has thrown away $billions on bailouts, and tax cuts for the well off.

    “The Labour Party don’t appear to have learnt anything, they think that handing out lollies is how you get political favours.”
    Bill English Stuff.co.nz

    Why aren’t we marching in the street?

    Labour or United Future should be calling a rally on the steps of parliament to protest this attack on our democracy.

  32. james 111 32

    So lets explore this Labour fairy dream with a bit more depth it is an own goal as they knew they could never fund it when they were in office Helen Clark said it was to costly. Lets say it got through by some stroke of appalling bad luck

    Here is a very likely Scenario
    Candidate A a male 26 years degree qualified comes for a job well presented could do the job
    Candidate B a female 26 years degree qualified comes for a job well presented could do the job

    Both are equally qualified and could do the job

    I am the employer guess who I will employ every time the Male because there will be less business interruption, and cost to the business . This one change could easily stop females being employed at the same rate as Males.
    Just as Labour thought they were being cute in increasing minimum rates we have never seen so many youth unemployed because an employer can hire an experienced person for the same cost.This is the trouble when you become blinded with ideology you cant look at things rationally and end up shooting own goals

    • handle 32.1

      “This is the trouble when you become blinded with ideology”? Your lack of self-awareness is priceless.

    • Colonial Viper 32.2

      Lucky most employers I know aren’t as prejudiced and bigoted as yourself.

      Just as Labour thought they were being cute in increasing minimum rates we have never seen so many youth unemployed because an employer can hire an experienced person for the same cost.

      That’s mainly because National dumped older experienced workers as waste into unemployment lines.

    • QoT 32.3

      So … the point is that you’re an idiot sexist?

  33. millhouse 33

    If you were the employer and employed the man every time regardless of qualification?

    My guess is you would quickly get a visit from the Labour Department / Human Rights Commission for violating the Human Rights Act and the Employment Relations Act. Following that visit you would then find yourself being fined at the Human Rights Review Tribunal.

    • james 111 33.1

      Millhouse
      At the end of the day its my choice both are equally qualfied. I chose to take the Male because he was a better fit. It could never be proven as discrimination. Believe me it would happen ,and the trendy lefties havent even thought it through. Females would be disadvantaged by this move and there would be less employed for sure because of a move like this that would not have wide spread employers support ( you know the evil bastards that create jobs for people)

      • millhouse 33.1.1

        james 111, I believe that the Human Rights Review Tribunal would call choosing the male every time, as they have in the past, a “pervasive pattern of gender discrimination”.

        Also:

        Q). What two things do Sweden, Denmark, Canada and Norway all have in common?

        A). They all have equal or higher rates of female workplace participation* as New Zealand whilst also having more than six months of paid parental leave.

        *2010 World Bank “Labor force participation rate”

        • james 111 33.1.1.1

          Millhouse
          They wouldn’t even know it of course would be done subtly no one would know .Some what similar to Labour filling the Government departments with their cronies. Before you knew it there would be alot fewer females of that age employed over the country in relation to males, everyone would be asking why is this? When the answer would be staring them in the face!

          • fender 33.1.1.1.1

            OMG james, you have to stop posting once you are drunk, you are embarrassing yourself.

          • millhouse 33.1.1.1.2

            According to both Statistics New Zealand and Treasury female workplace participation rose following the first introduction of paid paternity leave.

            Really, what are you even talking about?

      • prism 33.1.2

        ‘A better fit’ gives me fits. Another way of saying – matches my prejudices.

        • rosy 33.1.2.1

          hmm. I know exactly the sort of employer he would be (if he made it that far). I once lost out on a job to someone like him. It was something I was easily qualified for and I was the best candidate – I lost to nobody, there wasn’t another person he’d interviewed who he thought could do the job as well as me. But the potential employer couldn’t take the risk that I might take time off because of my children, even though I had an excellent employment record and had just completed a 3yr degree in… 3 years, . He told me that himself and then re-advertised. To this day I hope he got someone who got pregnant after paid parental leave was introduced ;-)

      • Descendant Of Smith 33.1.3

        James:

        You’re already a prejudiced idiot like Alasdair Thomson so it’s probably fortunate that you wouldn’t employ women. I’d feel sorry for any that had to work for you.

        You pontificate (note to self: must use two syllable words when responding to James) about how anyone remotely left wing must follow the law e.g. your recent drivel about unions, but somehow the same doesn’t apply to you.

        You are somehow magically above the law.

        Maybe your moniker is more appropriate than you know:

        “James III (10 July 1451 – 11 June 1488) was King of Scots from 1460 to 1488. James was an unpopular and ineffective monarch owing to an unwillingness to administer justice fairly and a disastrous relationship with nearly all his extended family.”

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    Full details of a $237,000 taxpayer-funded oil executives' junket in 2011 have emerged.National paid the nearly quarter of a million dollars to wine and dine 11 oil executives in New Zealand during the World Cup.The trip included yachting, wine tasting,...
    Greens | 10-08
  • Nats sold 500 rugby fields of land a day offshore
    Under National over one million hectares of land has been approved for overseas sale – 16 times the size of Lake Taupō or the equivalent of five hundred rugby fields a day, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “According to...
    Labour | 10-08
  • Joyce’s dodgy sums fool no-one
    Steven Joyce's attempt to attack Labour's positive plan for affordable healthcare will fool no-one. "We knew that National would try to say that we can't afford free GP visits and prescriptions for the New Zealanders who need it. But, as...
    Labour | 10-08
  • Campaign Launch – Ready to Win
    Today I launched Labour's election campaign at the Viaduct Events Centre, Auckland. Here is the speech I gave....
    Labour | 10-08
  • Labour extends free GP visits, free prescriptions
    Nearly 40 per cent of Kiwis – or 1.7 million people – will be eligible for free doctors’ visits and free prescriptions under a Labour Government, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Last year more than half a million New Zealanders...
    Labour | 10-08
  • Labour promises a fairer ACC for all Kiwis
    Accident compensation for loss of potential earnings will rise under a Labour Government, while people not earning at the time of their accident will also be eligible for compensation, Labour’s ACC spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. Releasing Labour’s ACC policy today...
    Labour | 08-08
  • NZ Govt must push for fair play in Fiji elections
    The New Zealand Government needs to do more to push for human rights and media freedom in Fiji as it stages its first election since the 2006 coup, the Green Party said today.Amnesty International has released a report which documents...
    Greens | 07-08
  • Pacific unemployment still highest in the country
    The Minister of Pacific Island Affairs can boast all he wants about changes to employment statistics for Pacific people but the reality for many Pacific people is nowhere close to National’s promised brighter future, Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William...
    Labour | 07-08
  • Big funding injection for regions in Green Party transport plan
    The Green Party will increase transport spending in the regions by 50 percent over the next decade under its new transport plan, the Green Party said today."Transport is the life-blood of the regions. They have been starved under National," Green...
    Greens | 07-08
  • From smiling assassin to grumpy butcher – on giving Judith Collins a last...
    After #dirtypolitics Key isn’t the smiling assassin, he is the grumpy butcher. When he said Judith had  a ‘last chance’ he meant 1 second after voting closes on 20th September. Key would love nothing more than to cut Collins loose and end...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • If the National Party rowing advert was real….
    If the National Party rowing advert was real there would be more blood in the water. If the National Party rowing advert was real it would be Cameron Slater calling the strokes. If the national Party rowing advert was real,...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Cameron Slater: Zionist and political pundit
    It is hard to know where to start with right-wing blogger Cameron Slater (Whale Oil), especially after the release of Nicky Hager’s book Dirty Politics. This confirmed everything many of us thought Slater to be: a snivelling pundit who serves...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Bryce Edwards stood down from Herald for election season??? Are the editors...
    I only found this out via twitter last night and I am still in shock. Bryce Edwards, easily the best critical thinker and news analyst the NZ Herald has has been stood down by the NZ Herald ‘for the election...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • So who’s a “conspiracy theorist” now?!
    . . As the media storm over Nicky Hager’s book, “Dirty Politics“,  and allegations over smear campaigns continue to swirl,  National’s spin doctors have given Key, Collins, and other National Party ministers a string of  phrases to use in all...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Momentum shift
    When you are deeply immersed in a local campaign sometimes it can be difficult to see the helicopter view.   I don’t know how accurate the political polls are and have always known that things can change quickly in politics...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Dear Toby Manhire. Bad call on backing Farrar
    Oh dear. I say this as someone who regards Toby Manhire as one of the smartest journalists/commentators/columnists this country has, and I think Toby has made a terribly dumb call here. Let’s see if Toby is still singing Farrar’s praises...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Radio NZ apologise to me for getting it wrong
    Radio NZ have contacted me, reviewed the claim by their host that I had an advance copy of Nicky Hager’s book and they have concluded they got it wrong, they have called me and apologised and will make a statement...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Reclaim UoA – Students’ Message to Steven Joyce
    Tertiary Education – we’ve been sold a lemon  A group of 30 students attended an event on Tuesday evening about ‘the future of tertiary education’ at which the Minister of Tertiary Education Steven Joyce was slated to speak. As Joyce...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Can someone in the media please ask the PM of NZ to categorically deny any ...
    Now we see the MO of Slater & Co, the setting up, the digging for dirt, the use of staff to dig that dirt, can the Prime Minister of NZ categorically deny any National Party staff worked with Cam Slater...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Panic setting in for National as they realise what’s about to happen
    And the terror starts to set in. I’ve never seen blind panic like this before  and it’s spreading as the enormity of what’s about to happen starts to sink in. Hager’s book is a mere entree, Nicky’s personal ethics wouldn’t...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics: what the book ultimately reveals is abuse of powe...
    Guide to the many faces of John Key Nicky’s book is now doing what I suspected it would do, create a shockwave of revulsion. Andrew Geddis over at Pundit Blog sums up this attitude best, and it’s reverberations build with every...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Fancy taking children seriously
    Let’s see why all political parties should pay close attention to the Green Party’s policy for children. First, it is a comprehensive attempt to put children, not ideology, at the heart of family policy. Wow, children at the heart of...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Amnesty International: Dear Azerbaijan, Stop Torture, Love Kiwi Kids
    This is a world where many adults often underestimate Generation Y. Being only a few years out of being a teenager myself, I feel I can make this statement with certainty. However, I have been the Youth Intern at Amnesty...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • GCSB meetings today in Christchurch 1pm at Uni 7pm at Cathedral
    The 2014 GCSB meetings to discuss the mass surveillance state legislation passed by this Government will be debated in Christchurch today at two different meetings. 1pm at Canterbury University bottom floor James Height Building: Chair: Bomber Bradbury Ruth Dyson – Labour Party...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Things that 7 Sharp should probably be talking about
    Things that 7 Sharp should probably be talking about...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Guide to when Key is lying
    Guide to when Key is lying...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – The State of the Student Nation …or is just Al...
    Students politics are dead and our student media is in terminal decline. The most disappointing thing about university is the politics, or should I say lack of? I was raised with the idea that students held the power.They were the...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Love Lifts Us Up: Thoughts from the Green Party’s campaign launch.
    Author Eleanor Catton wants people to give their party vote to the Greens.Photo by Peter Meecham NO ONE WAS QUITE SURE how he did it. Somehow Bob Harvey had persuaded the owners of the rights to Joe Cocker’s Up Where...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
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    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • LIVE STREAM: You, Me and the GCSB ChCh Public Meetings
    LIVE STREAM EVENT here at 1pm & 7pm: The 2014 GCSB meetings to discuss the mass surveillance state legislation passed by this Government will be debated in Christchurch today at two different meetings. PLEASE NOTE: TDB recommends Chrome and Firefox...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today,
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • How @whaledump might destroy the popular vote for National
    Dirty Politics is now creating a meltdown and National are in danger of a total vote collapse. The real threat to for National was if Nicky had all the emails released via the anonymous hacker who took them. That danger is now a...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Open letter to Radio NZ – you need to make a retraction now
    I have just sent this off to Radio NZ right now Dear Radio NZ Firstly, what a great interview by Guyon Espiner this morning with the Prime Minister. Great to see such hard hitting journalism. Unfortunately I am not contacting...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Radio NZ are lying about me
    I am getting this all second hand at the moment as I don’t bother listening to Radio NZ (except for that wonderful Wallace Chapman in the weekends) but there is a claim that Suzie Ferguson just insinuated on Radio NZ...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Farrar’s fake claim of being invaded + Slater’s claims of death threats...
    The counter spin to avoid focus on the series allegations made in Nicky Hager’s Dirty Politics continues. David Farrar’s ridiculous hysterics that he was invaded and his privacy has been blah blah blah has all been reduced from computer hacking to...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • A shout out to the unsung heroes – our Public Service staff
    Government departments, particularly in the social welfare, education and health areas get a lot of shtick. And it’s not unjustified. We have problems in the way that our government departments treat those in need. And I do not intend to...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Key’s ducking for cover – utterly unbelievable!!!
    .   . I don’t often re-print media stories verbatim – but this piece by Andrea Vance, for Fairfax Media,  deserves wider circulation. Please note the highlighted statements by Dear Leader as he ducks, weaves, obfuscates, and deflects any and...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – Who is the source of Hager’s emails?
    Who is the source of Hager’s emails? Kim Dotcom has categorically denied he has anything to do with this and Nicky Hager has categorically denied that Kim was the source of the emails. Whatever you think about Kim (and he...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Dirty Politics – Audio+Text Why It Is Essential Raw Data Be Released Imme...
    MIL OSI – Source: RadioLive – Sunday Panel Analysis Headline: Dirty Politics – Audio Analysis by Selwyn Manning + Rodney Hide + Mark Sainsbury MIL Video: Selwyn Manning, Rodney Hide, and Mark Sainsbury discuss and debate the explosive details revealed...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • TV One and TV3 Political Polls – not such a landslide now
    Before the impact of Dirty Politics has been felt, the National Party high point in the Polls had been reached and their inevitable  drop begins. Despite the mainstream media telling NZers for almost 3 years that John Key would win...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – You will not believe Key’s defence of hackin...
    He actually used a sporting analogy. Can you believe it? John Key, asked on the fact that his staff had entered into a Labour Party computer and downloaded their database, Key replied, “It’s a bit like the Wallabies positing up their...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • A brief word on 100 Top political Tweeters
    The NZ Herald has put together a very useful list of top 100 political twtter accounts, what is most interesting from the lists is that the right wing all work hand in glove with each other where as the Left...
    The Daily Blog | 16-08
  • Are Whaleoil’s traffic stats a bloated illusion?
    Dim Post has done a critical analysis of just how real Cameron Slater’s traffic stats are. TDB has only been around for a year with a fragment of the digital footprint of the older blogs, yet we have managed to become...
    The Daily Blog | 16-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – Is Jordan Williams deceptive enough to blackma...
    There are so many issues raised by Nicky Hager’s book, that any one of them would be worthy of total focus on. Let’s chat about the claim in the book that Jordan Williams bragged to Slater and Lusk that he had...
    The Daily Blog | 16-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – Why ‘see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evi...
    This sign shows how National’s see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil denial isn’t working. National’s response to the book is that there is NOTHING in there that deserves anything more than the most briefest of eye motions. Key won’t...
    The Daily Blog | 16-08
  • “Dirty Politics” and The Teflon Man
    . L-R- David Farrar, John Key, Cameron Slater . The release of Nicky Hager’s book, “Dirty Secrets” has unleashed more of a political firestorm than many had anticipated. (Or, perhaps some did.) The glare of publicity has been shone like...
    The Daily Blog | 16-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Lyndelle Gibara – An Open Letter to Cameron Slater
    Dear Cameron,I am in Christchurch. I am not a ‘useless prick’. I have not asked to be ‘bailed out’ nor have my ‘scum friends’ in the eastern suburbs. I lost my cafe in September, the quakes wrecked my shop that...
    The Daily Blog | 16-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – Death threats or hit jobs?
    Shocked selfies while reading Dirty Politics are flooding Twitter - verily the vermin value their villainous vanity*    The beauty of Hager’s book is that there are so many horrific awful and insidious highlights, it’s difficult to know what to focus...
    The Daily Blog | 16-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – Labour release emails proving Key has lied
    Labour have released emails proving Key has lied about National Party involvement into the hacking of the Labour Party computer… The Labour Party has released documents it says proves its website was hacked by people working for the National Party....
    The Daily Blog | 16-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – the TV political panels are ridiculous
    The total lack of depth and shallow talent pool of TV political panel shows in NZ is providing hideous coverage and insight into one of the most important political stories of the year. Yesterday Firstline had Jacinda Ardern and Jamie...
    The Daily Blog | 15-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – response to Canon NZ
    Poor old Canon NZ. They have been so damaged by appointing Cam’s mate as a judge and her awarding him their Best Blogger Award. I feel for them, I really do. They are amazing supporters of Journalism in NZ when...
    The Daily Blog | 15-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – the legality of using stolen emails
    I wonder if Key is humming, “I’ve got one less problem withoutcha” as he deletes Cams number from his phone?   One of the attack spin lines being run by National Party apologists in the media is that Nicky Hager has...
    The Daily Blog | 15-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – Release the emails and prove Key wrong
    It is vital in this crisis control of the meltdown that Key comes across as relaxed and not agitated, if he does he gives the game away on how damaged they are. He has to keep denying and claiming he...
    The Daily Blog | 15-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – Farrar oxygen stealing stunt backfires
    Oh poor David Farrar everyone. The wee babe is on the verge of a hysterical breakdown because he concludes after reading the hideous catalogue of hate and filth that his friends have vomited up in Dirty Politics that he must...
    The Daily Blog | 15-08
  • Key’s arrogance as a leader
    There is a lot that could be said about John Key at the moment but one thing that really irritates me about him is his complete lack of remorse or regret for the lies he’s told or the things he...
    The Daily Blog | 15-08
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, Nicky Hager’s ...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 15-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson –Winston’s Liver? How about Minto’s Splee...
    I really do want to use my Daily Blog guest-blogger status to do more to amuse, enthuse, entertain and inflame the political classes of this country than just writing endless responses to InternetMANA affiliated personalities who seem to think it’s...
    The Daily Blog | 15-08
  • Hekia speaks with forked tongue
    There was a prescient moment at Wednesday night’s Tick For Kids education forum in Wellington. Hekia Parata had just wound up, and Tracey Martin MP took her place at the lectern. Without a pause she said that the education sector had...
    The Daily Blog | 15-08
  • Show me what democracy looks like: 6 activists for Palestine #Occupy the NZ...
    At around 12pm yesterday Nadia Filistin, who has been a major organiser in the Auckland protests against Israel’s ongoing assaults in Gaza over the last 6 weeks which has killed over 1900 Palestinians and injured thousands, updated her Facebook status...
    The Daily Blog | 15-08
  • New shark finning laws fall short for threatened species
    Environmental groups are welcoming some aspects of a raft of law changes announced today in relation to shark finning, but say that overall the chance for New Zealand to catch up with international efforts in shark conservation is being missed....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Promoting Labour’s Positive Policies
    General Secretary of the New Zealand Labour Party, Tim Barnett, today launched Labour’s television advertisements for the 2014 election. The advertisements help tell Labour’s positive story for a better New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Drug Court: Rare Insight into New Alternative Justice Model
    Māori Television’s latest New Zealand documentary presents a fascinating look inside a new alternative justice model – through the stories of convicted criminals....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Political parties pledge to increase overseas aid
    A survey of political parties looking at how much New Zealand should spend on Official Development Assistance (ODA) shows the overwhelming majority of parties are committed to raising the bar according to the Council for International Development (CID)....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Top Kiwis backing Tip the Scales campaign
    Sir Graham Henry, former All Black Kees Meeuws, singer-song writer Jamie McDell and fishing guru Matt Watson have pledged their support to Tip the Scales, a pre-election campaign generating public support for rebuilding New Zealand’s depleted inshore...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Maritime Union continues to press over dirty politics
    Maritime Union National President Garry Parsloe says Ports of Auckland management is trying to get off the hook from its involvement with extreme right wing bloggers during the Ports of Auckland dispute....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • No end in sight to overwhelming human cost of conflict
    Two ceasefires have brought some respite to civilians in Gaza and southern Israel, amid hope that a durable cessation of hostilities might occur. In Gaza, these breaks in the fighting have barely given people enough time to seek medical care,...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Young Kiwi speakers to represent NZ at Gallipoli 2015
    The RSA is delighted at the announcement made by Veterans' Affairs Minister Michael Woodhouse today, that all eight regional finalists of the 2015 ANZ RSA Cyril Bassett VC Speech Competition will be included in a group of 25 Youth Ambassadors...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • “Bromance” Marriage Stunt Insulting Says LegaliseLove
    A promotional competition asking two best mates to get married in order to win an all-expenses-paid trip to the 2015 Rugby World Cup is insulting, marriage equality campaign LegaliseLove Aotearoa claims....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Cannabis Party first to register for 2014 General Election
    The Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party became the first party to register for the 2014 General Election today, when it meet with the Electoral Commission in Wellington at Midday....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • PGA: Addresses NZ’s ratification of Arms Trade Treaty
    President of Parliamentarians for Global Action and New Zealand MP Ross Robertson today addressed a celebration to mark New Zealand’s imminent ratification of the Arms Trade Treaty (ATT), which is expected within the next few weeks....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Roy Morgan Poll August 20
    National (48%) holds its lead over Labour/ Greens (39%) as ‘Dirty Politics’ revelations provide a new challenge for PM John Key’s leadership. NZ First surge to 6.5% - highest support since September 2013....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • IGIS inquiry into release of NZSIS information
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security (IGIS), Cheryl Gwyn, announced today that she would be instituting an inquiry concerning allegations that the New Zealand Security Intelligence Service (NZSIS) might have released official information...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Glen Scanlon to Head Digital Media at Radio New Zealand
    Radio New Zealand has announced the appointment of Glen Scanlon to the recently created position of head of digital media....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Israel’s Gaza ceasefire violations go unreported
    It seems that it is only ceasefire violations that emanate from the Palestinian side that ever get publicised....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Drug courier sentenced for importing heroin
    South African drug courier, Laura Elizabeth Cilliers, was sentenced today in the Christchurch District Court to 7 years and 10 months in prison for importing approximately 1.2 kilograms of heroin....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Residential Property Speculators Days Numbered
    Rent heat cools as homes are replaced ... Liz McDonald ... The Press http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/your-property/10400851/Rent-heat-cools-as-homes-are-replaced Comment on thread (in moderation) … Christchurch is a “severely unaffordable” City as the Annual Demographia Survey ( www.demographia.com ) illustrates … thanks...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Academic’s study shows need for a Ministry of Public Input
    A book by Associate Professor Jennifer Lees-Marshment recommends the creation of a Ministry of Public Input to collect, process and communicate the publics’ ideas to government. The University of Auckland’s political marketing expert says the...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Government inaction killing innocent motorists
    Innocent people are dying due to long delays in installing centre lane barriers on high risk roads, says an outspoken road safety campaigner....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Property revaluations for council rates must be reformed
    Opportunity to bring controls on rating value changes and more equitable level of annual rates increase...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Ron Mark Sets the Example
    The Taxpayers’ Union is welcoming the pledge by Mayor of Carterton and NZ First candidate Ron Mark who has announced he would relinquish his roles as Mayor and member of two District Health Boards if successfully elected to Parliament. Taxpayers’...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Ban 1080 Candidates announced for 2014 General Election
    MEDIA RELEASE: Angry rural communities want issue of 1080 aerial drops taken to the polls, says party co-leader Ban 1080 Candidates announced for 2014 General Election...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Governor General Gives Direction to Conduct Election
    The Governor General, Lt Gen The Rt Hon Sir Jerry Mateparae, has given the green light for this year’s General Election....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • New Zealand Animal Groups Unite to Help
    WELLINGTON (19 Aug 2014) – The Be Cruelty-Free campaign to ban animal testing of cosmetics in New Zealand just got bigger and stronger, as two leading animal protection groups come on board. Joining forces with Humane Society International which has...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Students Interrupt Steven Joyce at University Event
    A group of 30 students this evening interrupted an event about ‘the future of tertiary education’ at which Tertiary Education Minister Steven Joyce was slated to speak. As Joyce began to speak, students interrupted with a speech of their own....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Caritas among first responders offering relief in Iraq
    As the plight of Iraqis fleeing persecution reaches tragic levels, Caritas Aotearoa New Zealand has pledged an initial $10,000 to support the work of Caritas in Iraq to provide humanitarian aid to thousands of families affected by the war and...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • iPredict 2014 Election Update #31: Nats take hit
    Election race narrows significantly · National party vote now below Labour/Greens · National’s probability of leading next government dips to 72% · Joyce expected to take over as National leader before end of 2015, as Collins’ prospects fall...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Call for applications – Fulbright scholar awards
    Fulbright New Zealand calls for applications to a range of scholar awards for New Zealand academics, artists and professionals to undertake academic and cultural exchanges to the United States of America. A Fulbright exchange provides life-changing opportunities...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • CWS launches appeal for Iraqis on World Humanitarian Day
    Christian World Service is appealing for help for tens of thousands of Iraqis caught up in one of the world’s horrifying conflicts....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Promoting the Voice of the Rangatahi
    Young Māori voters are seen by the Māori Party to have a vital part to play in saving the Māori seats in Parliament says the Māori Party’s youngest candidate, Reverend Te Hira Paenga. “What we’re hearing on the ground is...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Nelson Election Candidates’ Community Forum
    Nelson’s community and volunteer sector has some serious questions to put to the local candidates in the run up to next month’s general election....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Research NZ Budget Observer – Still On Track For Surplus
    New Zealand's Treasury today released their pre-election budget update, ahead of the 20 September vote. The government still expects to get back to surplus in 2014/15, albeit a slightly smaller surplus than expected in May. The growth forecasts were...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Nicky Hager’s first public comment on police investigation
    A complaint has been laid with police by Cameron Slater over the hacking of his computer and 'theft' of emails to supply to Nicky Hager for his explosive book Dirty Politics . We give Nicky Hager the first chance to...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Disabled Person’s Organisations report sent to UN
    A report written by Disabled Person’s Organisations (DPOs) representing the voice of disabled New Zealanders has been released and sent to the United Nations today....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Fuel and electricity price gouging hits regions hardest
    Mere Takoko - New Zealand First East Coast Candidate For Immediate Release - Tuesday, 19 August, 2014...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Government “opening of the books” shows wasted opportunity
    “The economic and fiscal forecasts in the pre-election update – the ‘opening of the government’s books’ – shows how the Government has failed to grasp the opportunity of the Global Financial Crisis to rebalance the economy,” says CTU...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Kiwis take up the challenge to end extreme poverty
    High profile New Zealanders have been invited to participate in Live Below the Line (LBTL). Part of a global initiative, LBTL challenges Kiwis to raise awareness of extreme poverty and to live on a daily food budget of $2.25 for...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • NZ Independent Coalition announces strong list
    NZ Independent Coalition Secretary Helen Anderson announced the party’s candidates for the 2014 election today - 10 candidates total, with four also standing in electorates....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • National Chooses to Campaign on High Tax, High Spend Policy
    The Taxpayers’ Union is slamming Bill English’s indication that the National Party will not offer voters any indication of tax cuts before next month's general election. Speaking to journalists and analysts in the Pre-election Economic and Fiscal...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • SSC survey shows way forward for better public services
    The Public Service Association (PSA) has welcomed the release of the State Services Commission’s (SSC) Integrity and Conduct Survey 2013 , which it says indicates what needs to be done to strengthen the public services that New Zealanders use and...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Talent pipeline is the key to correcting gender balance
    Building a talent pipeline that fosters talented young women from early on in their careers is the key to gender balance at the most senior levels, according to EEO Trust Chief Executive Bev Cassidy-Mackenzie....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • A-Team of Election Data Analysis For Election 2014
    NZ's leading independent online news source Scoop.co.nz has teamed up with data heavyweights Roy Morgan Research and Spark Venture's brand-new big-data start up Qrious to deliver a under the covers perspective on the 2014 NZ General Election that has never...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Pre-election Economic and Fiscal Update 2014
    Full PREFU: prefu14whole.pdf Full Executive Summary with charts: prefu14pt2of11.pdf Online: Pre-election Economic and Fiscal Update 2014 — The Treasury - New Zealand...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Survey of Integrity and Conduct in the State Services
    The State Services Commission (SSC) today published the report of the 2013 Integrity and Conduct Survey of the State Services. “The New Zealand State services is rated highly internationally for its standards of integrity and conduct and is considered...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Demand for Same-Sex ‘Marriage’ Underwhelms
    Family First NZ says that one year on from the marriage law being politically manipulated, the demand for same-sex marriages has been underwhelming with just 318 same-sex couples rushing to take advantage of the new definition to formalise their relationship...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Jacinda Ardern talks about life as an MP
    A class of Albany politics students gained some insight into life as a Member of Parliament this week, with a visit to campus from Labour List MP Jacinda Ardern....
    Scoop politics | 18-08
  • Regional issues top agenda for election debate
    Wellington regional issues, from the flyover to extending the airport, will be in the spotlight at an election debate at Massey University’s Wellington campus tomorrow....
    Scoop politics | 18-08
  • Walking and the Election
    The Green Party has topped the polls while National has failed to register according to NZ's pedestrian advocacy organisation Living Streets Aotearoa (LSA)....
    Scoop politics | 18-08
  • Evidence of the dubious tactics of the alcohol industry
    Nicky Hager’s latest book “Dirty Politics” reports the alcohol industry works behind the scenes to actively try and smear the professional reputation of people who promote effective alcohol reforms in New Zealand, as well as other public health...
    Scoop politics | 18-08
  • ACT’s plan to double cycle use without spending taxes
    "The National party yesterday announced a $100 million cycle-way that just happens to go through the marginal seat of Hutt South" said ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 18-08
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