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	<title>Comments on: Clare Curran on s92(a)</title>
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		<title>By: Rob Inskeep</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/clare-curran-on-s92a/comment-page-1/#comment-212765</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Inskeep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@br3nda How about the labour minister Clare Currans who admitted there are &#039;significant issues&#039; here  http://bit.ly/TjdBO&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">@br3nda How about the labour minister Clare Currans who admitted there are &#8216;significant issues&#8217; here  <a href="http://bit.ly/TjdBO" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/TjdBO</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Hamish MacEwan</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/clare-curran-on-s92a/comment-page-1/#comment-212766</link>
		<dc:creator>Hamish MacEwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Clare Curran on s92(a) at The Standard 2.02: Shared by Hamish MacEwan I hope Clare learns quickly that they are .. http://tinyurl.com/ag5du2&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Clare Curran on s92(a) at The Standard 2.02: Shared by Hamish MacEwan I hope Clare learns quickly that they are .. <a href="http://tinyurl.com/ag5du2" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/ag5du2</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Jseph</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/clare-curran-on-s92a/comment-page-1/#comment-118583</link>
		<dc:creator>Jseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 03:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RIANZ should have no say. They&#039;re fools stuck with an agenda that depends on a failing business model, which sister version in the United States has been busily filling up their courts with people who have done very little harm.

The RIANZ are only representing their own interests. Where are all the other artists, the indepedent musicians, the writers, the people who create rather than the people who take earnings from the people that create. And, the largest interested party, the people, because Parliment sure doesn&#039;t seem to be representing their overwhelming views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RIANZ should have no say. They&#8217;re fools stuck with an agenda that depends on a failing business model, which sister version in the United States has been busily filling up their courts with people who have done very little harm.</p>
<p>The RIANZ are only representing their own interests. Where are all the other artists, the indepedent musicians, the writers, the people who create rather than the people who take earnings from the people that create. And, the largest interested party, the people, because Parliment sure doesn&#8217;t seem to be representing their overwhelming views.</p>
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		<title>By: D George-Franzmayr</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/clare-curran-on-s92a/comment-page-1/#comment-212767</link>
		<dc:creator>D George-Franzmayr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 00:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;says read this... clare currans response about s92a http://tinyurl.com/ag5du2 #blackout&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">says read this&#8230; clare currans response about s92a <a href="http://tinyurl.com/ag5du2" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/ag5du2</a> #blackout</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/clare-curran-on-s92a/comment-page-1/#comment-118538</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob the Geek (there are too many robs around..) has a &lt;a href=&#039;http://rob-the.geek.nz/2009/02/painting-it-black.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;good roundup post on s92a&lt;/a&gt;. Good place to dig info out for those wanting to catch up....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob the Geek (there are too many robs around..) has a <a href='http://rob-the.geek.nz/2009/02/painting-it-black.html' rel="nofollow">good roundup post on s92a</a>. Good place to dig info out for those wanting to catch up&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/clare-curran-on-s92a/comment-page-1/#comment-118532</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dave: Apparently this stuff got back into the bill after the select committee. I&#039;d thought that the clause had died there. Turned out that it&#039;d passed while I was occupied with the election.

Post-election .... Apparently there has been discussion going on between the main parties (telcos/ISP&#039;s and RIANZ etc) about what the code of conduct should be. The rights holders have walked away from that (ie RIANZ). That has left it as each individual ISP doing it and no way of getting any ability to question assertions of rights of accusers. 

It isn&#039;t particularly party political as is shown by virtually every blog site of all persuasions are hammering it. The RIANZ&#039;s stupid actions have just broadened it into the wider sphere. It is more in the order of the ongoing argument about digital vs analogue

Essentially I think what I always did - the clause should be dropped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dave: Apparently this stuff got back into the bill after the select committee. I&#8217;d thought that the clause had died there. Turned out that it&#8217;d passed while I was occupied with the election.</p>
<p>Post-election &#8230;. Apparently there has been discussion going on between the main parties (telcos/ISP&#8217;s and RIANZ etc) about what the code of conduct should be. The rights holders have walked away from that (ie RIANZ). That has left it as each individual ISP doing it and no way of getting any ability to question assertions of rights of accusers. </p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t particularly party political as is shown by virtually every blog site of all persuasions are hammering it. The RIANZ&#8217;s stupid actions have just broadened it into the wider sphere. It is more in the order of the ongoing argument about digital vs analogue</p>
<p>Essentially I think what I always did &#8211; the clause should be dropped.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What frog says is absolutely correct.

At the risk of sounding even more tedious than I normally am I will quote from my previous comment:

&quot;Your proposed amendment does not go far enough. S92 in its entirety needs revisiting. The idea that the law can be made good through the simple expediency of a Ministerial approved CoP is a red herring that once again switches the onus onto ISPs to produce something that complies with bad law.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What frog says is absolutely correct.</p>
<p>At the risk of sounding even more tedious than I normally am I will quote from my previous comment:</p>
<p>&#8220;Your proposed amendment does not go far enough. S92 in its entirety needs revisiting. The idea that the law can be made good through the simple expediency of a Ministerial approved CoP is a red herring that once again switches the onus onto ISPs to produce something that complies with bad law.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: frog</title>
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		<dc:creator>frog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clare, you still fail to address the vexing issue of being denied a service based solely on accusations. Guilty until proven innocent is just plain bad, whether we are talking about copyright or any other legal matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clare, you still fail to address the vexing issue of being denied a service based solely on accusations. Guilty until proven innocent is just plain bad, whether we are talking about copyright or any other legal matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Painting it Black &#124; Rob the Geek</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/clare-curran-on-s92a/comment-page-1/#comment-118517</link>
		<dc:creator>Painting it Black &#124; Rob the Geek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] around ARPA by Simon Lyall can be found here. Joining the &#8216;interesting&#8217; articles, is this one which outlines Clare Currans view on S92 even down to the view that &#8220;there are significant [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] around ARPA by Simon Lyall can be found here. Joining the &#8216;interesting&#8217; articles, is this one which outlines Clare Currans view on S92 even down to the view that &#8220;there are significant [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Of course it was complicated because of the election&lt;/i&gt; 

Oh yeah, blame the election - that had nothing to do with passing decent law. Parliament is elected to pass decent  and workable laws - not to be reelected.

  The negotiation *was* only between a few interested parties, Labour cocked up, the minor parties other than Greens didnt know what was going on and  Labour wasn&#039;t talking to the Greens. In the end Labour  cocked it up. Now it is trying to fix the law. If Labour had any balls it would have introduced an SOP in exactly the same form as Currans bill. It didn&#039;t because it was too focused on  digging up the dirt on JK in Aussie.

Now lprent is trying to say the election was a factor.Oh puhleeease!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Of course it was complicated because of the election</i> </p>
<p>Oh yeah, blame the election &#8211; that had nothing to do with passing decent law. Parliament is elected to pass decent  and workable laws &#8211; not to be reelected.</p>
<p>  The negotiation *was* only between a few interested parties, Labour cocked up, the minor parties other than Greens didnt know what was going on and  Labour wasn&#8217;t talking to the Greens. In the end Labour  cocked it up. Now it is trying to fix the law. If Labour had any balls it would have introduced an SOP in exactly the same form as Currans bill. It didn&#8217;t because it was too focused on  digging up the dirt on JK in Aussie.</p>
<p>Now lprent is trying to say the election was a factor.Oh puhleeease!</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/clare-curran-on-s92a/comment-page-1/#comment-118512</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have posted a comment responding to Clare&#039;s previous entry at this site here:

http://www.thestandard.org.nz/copyright-protest-pics/#comment-118467

I think that in this guest post is great and shows a good understanding of the issues and concerns that many IT copyright holders have about S92. I&#039;d like to express my thanks once again.

I think there is an opportunity for both the major parties to agree to change the law. I know it  is tempting to to paint one another as the &#039;bad guys&#039; but from conversations I have had I also know that people in *both* parties have had serious concerns about the Copyright reforms that went into law last year. It would be nice to see more cross bench co-operation on resolving this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have posted a comment responding to Clare&#8217;s previous entry at this site here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thestandard.org.nz/copyright-protest-pics/#comment-118467" rel="nofollow">http://www.thestandard.org.nz/copyright-protest-pics/#comment-118467</a></p>
<p>I think that in this guest post is great and shows a good understanding of the issues and concerns that many IT copyright holders have about S92. I&#8217;d like to express my thanks once again.</p>
<p>I think there is an opportunity for both the major parties to agree to change the law. I know it  is tempting to to paint one another as the &#8216;bad guys&#8217; but from conversations I have had I also know that people in *both* parties have had serious concerns about the Copyright reforms that went into law last year. It would be nice to see more cross bench co-operation on resolving this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/clare-curran-on-s92a/comment-page-1/#comment-118510</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dave: And on the same note - why did the Nats vote for the bill with that clause on its third reading?

Of course it was complicated because of the election - which is why I didn&#039;t notice the reinsertion after select committee.

Basically this just looks like a cockup from start to finish... The rest of the Act looks fine. I understand that a lot of negotiation went in on this clause. However it was largely between only a few of the interested parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dave: And on the same note &#8211; why did the Nats vote for the bill with that clause on its third reading?</p>
<p>Of course it was complicated because of the election &#8211; which is why I didn&#8217;t notice the reinsertion after select committee.</p>
<p>Basically this just looks like a cockup from start to finish&#8230; The rest of the Act looks fine. I understand that a lot of negotiation went in on this clause. However it was largely between only a few of the interested parties.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done Clare. But  why didnt Labor think about  this BEFORE the bill was passed, instead of adding it back in after the select committee took it out.  You could have written something on why Labour buckled to a select few lobbyists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done Clare. But  why didnt Labor think about  this BEFORE the bill was passed, instead of adding it back in after the select committee took it out.  You could have written something on why Labour buckled to a select few lobbyists.</p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
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		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or your neighbour if you&#039;re daft enough to have an open WiFi. I still see a lot of these, but less than previously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or your neighbour if you&#8217;re daft enough to have an open WiFi. I still see a lot of these, but less than previously.</p>
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		<title>By: Tigger</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/clare-curran-on-s92a/comment-page-1/#comment-118500</link>
		<dc:creator>Tigger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonder if Key or English would be pleased if their teenagers fell foul of this law...teens are downloading whores as we all know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonder if Key or English would be pleased if their teenagers fell foul of this law&#8230;teens are downloading whores as we all know.</p>
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