Comments on: Clueless on ACE

By: A Nonny Moose

A Nonny Moose — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:33:33 +0000

Lordy Graham, you’d really hate Sweden then…

Graham – if our government is supposed to be so hands off in health, justice, education and welfare, what ARE they there for?

By: whatdeyeno

whatdeyeno — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:30:28 +0000

Oh Graham I’m not sure how you work a trail or how I could stope smoking or drinking? Maybe there is a night class I could take. I’ll let you know if they do Adult literacy to help with your communication skills. But you might have to pay.

By: graham

graham — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 06:38:06 +0000

o and cold calling businesses offering to work a free trail period stoping smoking drinking and taking drugs helps too

By: graham

graham — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 06:34:49 +0000

if you dont believe in your self why should i
the world is tough so stop whineing and get up and go to work
if you cant get a job go to a non profit org like saint vincent etc help out with your time it will help get you a job
the problem with socalism it saps your personal selfrespect people wait for help rather than to get off their arse and help themself

By: A Nonny Moose

A Nonny Moose — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:55:05 +0000

Graham, my Point is about 100 kilometres back that way.

So, tell me EXACTLY how that dole bludger of yours is going to get a job, without bridging education, a little bit of mentoring, and someone to believe in them?

You just lumped every person on a benefit into one heaving mass of stereotype. There’s the solo mum who is putting every last cent of her money into feeding her kids, with nothing left for her education. There’s the lost teenager who just needs a point in the right direction. There’s the 50-something guy made redundant after 20 years in the same job who needs a small up-skill.

Oh sorry, there’s that Nanny State bullshit. Heaven help we actually reach out to our community.

By: graham

graham — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:27:47 +0000

its not my job to help people to get off the dole.
if you want a crap life stay there
if you want a life with home ownership holidays etc
get a job
how hard is that

By: A Nonny Moose

A Nonny Moose — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:56:53 +0000

“One angle that no one has mentioned is the high proportion of new immigrants who participate in ACE courses.”

Exactly. And also, the benefit it has of helping train beneficiaries so they can move off a benefit and into a job.

Cuts to ACE sounds like a whole lot of classism and double standards. “Get off the dole, you lazy bums! But we’re not going to HELP you get off the dole! Continuing education?! Pay for it yourself, you tax dollar stealing cretins! Can’t pay for it out of your meager dole? Then get a job you lazy bums!”

By: mickysavage

mickysavage — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:10:27 +0000

Oops

After having now read the post properly I see that with a great deal of detail the cost of dowing away with the ACE funding has been specified.

I should read the whole post more often

By: Draco T Bastard

Draco T Bastard — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:21:27 +0000

How many other areas of government spending generate returns like that?

Better question: How many private investments have returns like that?

By: Roger

Roger — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:11:34 +0000

sk, National have that angle covered, if they have their way, the new immigrants will all be multimillionaires who will have no need to integrate with the rest of us. They will fit in nicely in the rich national mates clique.

By: Richard

Richard — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:02:11 +0000

And look at the social cost when migrants or refugees are not integrated, but isolated. $16M doesn’t go far in prisons or other social agencies left to pick up the pieces.

By: sk

sk — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:46:53 +0000

One angle that no one has mentioned is the high proportion of new immigrants who participate in ACE courses. We do a crap job of integrating migrants into NZ society, and ACE courses is one the rare places it happens.

Sure we want to restrain growth in gov’t spending, but micky’s comment on King’s cuts to the chase. Why are private schools the beneficiary of any public money at all?

By: Armchair Critic

Armchair Critic — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:41:51 +0000

It’s about more than blogging, screech. I had my hair cut today and amongst other (non-political) things, I mentioned my low opinion of the government’s actions on ACE. I’m pretty sure the agreement I got was not solely due to the potential loss of my custom. Gotta start getting the message out somewhere.

By: mickysavage

mickysavage — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:38:54 +0000

I suspect that no poeple read it. What are they?

I also have a real life.

By: screech

screech — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:36:24 +0000

“I will spend the next two years reminding the population about this.”

How many poeple read your blog ?