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	<title>Comments on: Commentators damning of Key&#8217;s visionless speech</title>
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		<title>By: the pinkpostman</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/commentators-damning-of-keys-visionless-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-190893</link>
		<dc:creator>the pinkpostman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody  seems to have understood exactly what is needed .
We need to increase the tax intake. If we are to enjoy a high standard off living ,top education and a world class health system then we need to pay more tax ,its as simple as that. Now the trouble is how do we do that. I believe that we start raising the tax of the rich ,for years they have just not paid their fair share but have still enjoyed the  priviledges and state services. There are other ways of increasing tax and these need to be debated . What about this transaction tax mooted by Jim Anderton ? Let drop this unfair duty free system ,if that aint a con nothing is . If we want  a civilised decent society then we have to raise taxes , the problem is how.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody  seems to have understood exactly what is needed .<br />
We need to increase the tax intake. If we are to enjoy a high standard off living ,top education and a world class health system then we need to pay more tax ,its as simple as that. Now the trouble is how do we do that. I believe that we start raising the tax of the rich ,for years they have just not paid their fair share but have still enjoyed the  priviledges and state services. There are other ways of increasing tax and these need to be debated . What about this transaction tax mooted by Jim Anderton ? Let drop this unfair duty free system ,if that aint a con nothing is . If we want  a civilised decent society then we have to raise taxes , the problem is how.?</p>
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		<title>By: kiwiteen123</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/commentators-damning-of-keys-visionless-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-190609</link>
		<dc:creator>kiwiteen123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Political Compass states that I&#039;m a bit righter than Bill English and a bit more Authoritarian than Bill English.

I believe in society where people can own their own assets, make there own decisions and have minimal regulations upon them.

I believe in a flat tax rate and stricter criteria for benifits.

I believe in education and health care for all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Political Compass states that I&#8217;m a bit righter than Bill English and a bit more Authoritarian than Bill English.</p>
<p>I believe in society where people can own their own assets, make there own decisions and have minimal regulations upon them.</p>
<p>I believe in a flat tax rate and stricter criteria for benifits.</p>
<p>I believe in education and health care for all.</p>
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		<title>By: kiwiteen123</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/commentators-damning-of-keys-visionless-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-190602</link>
		<dc:creator>kiwiteen123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What blogs do I comment on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What blogs do I comment on?</p>
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		<title>By: Lanthanide</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/commentators-damning-of-keys-visionless-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-190385</link>
		<dc:creator>Lanthanide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the commentators on National Radio this morning were saying that there is about a $1.5-1.6b shortfall between the $3-4b in personal tax cuts promised and the new revenue generated from 15% GST and no more depreciation on housing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the commentators on National Radio this morning were saying that there is about a $1.5-1.6b shortfall between the $3-4b in personal tax cuts promised and the new revenue generated from 15% GST and no more depreciation on housing.</p>
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		<title>By: Lanthanide</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/commentators-damning-of-keys-visionless-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-190383</link>
		<dc:creator>Lanthanide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That has more to do with the slump in the US sharemarket than Jon&#039;s speech, which lets face it was so middle road as to not scare any horses; nothing that should impact the share market positively or negatively.

Yesterday the dow jones dropped below 10,000 for the first time since November in a drop of just over 100 points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That has more to do with the slump in the US sharemarket than Jon&#8217;s speech, which lets face it was so middle road as to not scare any horses; nothing that should impact the share market positively or negatively.</p>
<p>Yesterday the dow jones dropped below 10,000 for the first time since November in a drop of just over 100 points.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/commentators-damning-of-keys-visionless-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-190369</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keeping the poor at least as poor as they were before in absolute terms and much poorer in relative terms. Successfully selling the whole thing as fair. Aspirations of an apprentice con man and full time bag man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keeping the poor at least as poor as they were before in absolute terms and much poorer in relative terms. Successfully selling the whole thing as fair. Aspirations of an apprentice con man and full time bag man.</p>
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		<title>By: Zak Credo</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/commentators-damning-of-keys-visionless-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-190353</link>
		<dc:creator>Zak Credo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THEN.. NOW..

So how come you dive backward? You wish, or what?

Oh, and no, five years ago, not me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THEN.. NOW..</p>
<p>So how come you dive backward? You wish, or what?</p>
<p>Oh, and no, five years ago, not me!</p>
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		<title>By: vto</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/commentators-damning-of-keys-visionless-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-190352</link>
		<dc:creator>vto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I was expecting something more. Disappointing.

Bottom line - govt&#039;s tax take from the public of NZ per annum is unchanged. Just moved around a little. Whoop-de-doo.

The more things change the more things stay the same

...

Watch the economy slowly sag this year.

There aint nothing going on. The manufacturers are doing tough sales. The public have very tight grip on wallets. Housing is sagging again as we speak and will stay down. The band-aid stimuluses around the globe are being exposed as just that. 

Don&#039;t mean to be gloomy but that be mine 2c at the mo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I was expecting something more. Disappointing.</p>
<p>Bottom line &#8211; govt&#8217;s tax take from the public of NZ per annum is unchanged. Just moved around a little. Whoop-de-doo.</p>
<p>The more things change the more things stay the same</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Watch the economy slowly sag this year.</p>
<p>There aint nothing going on. The manufacturers are doing tough sales. The public have very tight grip on wallets. Housing is sagging again as we speak and will stay down. The band-aid stimuluses around the globe are being exposed as just that. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t mean to be gloomy but that be mine 2c at the mo.</p>
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		<title>By: Akldnut</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/commentators-damning-of-keys-visionless-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-190336</link>
		<dc:creator>Akldnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can get fucked you moron
You don&#039;t know shit about me or my circumstance, if you did you would swallow your keyboard in shame for what you&#039;ve just written.

It&#039;s good you&#039;ve worked hard all your life, I commend you for that - so have I.

It&#039;s good you don&#039;t have shit loads of children - neither have I

As for not managing my own affairs - you don&#039;t know shit so should stop making generalisations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can get fucked you moron<br />
You don&#8217;t know shit about me or my circumstance, if you did you would swallow your keyboard in shame for what you&#8217;ve just written.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good you&#8217;ve worked hard all your life, I commend you for that &#8211; so have I.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good you don&#8217;t have shit loads of children &#8211; neither have I</p>
<p>As for not managing my own affairs &#8211; you don&#8217;t know shit so should stop making generalisations.</p>
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		<title>By: big bruv</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/commentators-damning-of-keys-visionless-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-190332</link>
		<dc:creator>big bruv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Akldnt

Who am I to call you a bludger?

I am a bloke who has worked hard all his life, I am a bloke who is not poor but nor am I rich, I am a bloke who takes personal responsibility for my family and my circumstances.

But because of the WFF vote grabbing benefit I am also forced to work to help raise your kids and your family.

Like it or not you are a bludger, you take money from me and many other hard working Kiwis because you have not been able to manage your own affairs, those of us who have not had any more kids than we can afford are being penalised because people like you think it is my job to fund your lifestyle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Akldnt</p>
<p>Who am I to call you a bludger?</p>
<p>I am a bloke who has worked hard all his life, I am a bloke who is not poor but nor am I rich, I am a bloke who takes personal responsibility for my family and my circumstances.</p>
<p>But because of the WFF vote grabbing benefit I am also forced to work to help raise your kids and your family.</p>
<p>Like it or not you are a bludger, you take money from me and many other hard working Kiwis because you have not been able to manage your own affairs, those of us who have not had any more kids than we can afford are being penalised because people like you think it is my job to fund your lifestyle.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/commentators-damning-of-keys-visionless-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-190326</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rise in GST surprised me a little however the deveil will be in nthe detail of the proposed tax custs.  I expect the low paid will be harder hit as GST by its nature is a naturally regressive tax.

The depreciation move on property is sensible.  There is something inherently wrong with a system that allows an investment class to grow to 200 billion + and generate negative taxable revenues.

The speech overall would rate a C+.  This may improve once the detail is announced but at present just strikes me as an opportunity missed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rise in GST surprised me a little however the deveil will be in nthe detail of the proposed tax custs.  I expect the low paid will be harder hit as GST by its nature is a naturally regressive tax.</p>
<p>The depreciation move on property is sensible.  There is something inherently wrong with a system that allows an investment class to grow to 200 billion + and generate negative taxable revenues.</p>
<p>The speech overall would rate a C+.  This may improve once the detail is announced but at present just strikes me as an opportunity missed</p>
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		<title>By: kiwiteen123</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/commentators-damning-of-keys-visionless-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-190322</link>
		<dc:creator>kiwiteen123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Micky
I criticized John Key countless times yesterday and said that he lost my vote...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Micky<br />
I criticized John Key countless times yesterday and said that he lost my vote&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: kiwiteen123</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/commentators-damning-of-keys-visionless-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-190321</link>
		<dc:creator>kiwiteen123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its always good to be able to express our opinion in words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its always good to be able to express our opinion in words.</p>
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		<title>By: travellerev</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/commentators-damning-of-keys-visionless-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-190317</link>
		<dc:creator>travellerev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KT,

Patronising dickhead</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KT,</p>
<p>Patronising dickhead</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal's bookie</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/commentators-damning-of-keys-visionless-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-190313</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal's bookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The sums don&#039;t add up. I also remember that when GST went from 10% to 12.5% prices went up by a shit load more because less scrupulous producers and traders were able to sneak prices up and the Govt got the blame as most people can&#039;t, or can&#039;t be bothered doing the mental arithmatic and don&#039;t spot the rip off&lt;/i&gt;

Funny how everything is still priced at the $X.99 and $Y.95.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The sums don&#8217;t add up. I also remember that when GST went from 10% to 12.5% prices went up by a shit load more because less scrupulous producers and traders were able to sneak prices up and the Govt got the blame as most people can&#8217;t, or can&#8217;t be bothered doing the mental arithmatic and don&#8217;t spot the rip off</i></p>
<p>Funny how everything is still priced at the $X.99 and $Y.95.</p>
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