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		<title>By: Herald Digipoll at The Standard 2.01</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/conflicting-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-32005</link>
		<dc:creator>Herald Digipoll at The Standard 2.01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Labour down 2, a result the Herald describes as the &#8220;Nats pulling away&#8221;. As ever you can&#8217;t read too much into a single poll, but the pattern continues to show National coming off the highs in the mid 50s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Labour down 2, a result the Herald describes as the &#8220;Nats pulling away&#8221;. As ever you can&#8217;t read too much into a single poll, but the pattern continues to show National coming off the highs in the mid 50s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Pierson</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/conflicting-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-29938</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Pierson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 04:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, yes but CB was worst on the Lab v Nat contest, and had the greatest error in left v right split. I would argue its more important getting that wrong than errors in how votes are shared within the left and the right.

I think Absolute Power may actually be Wishart - in his &#039;interview&#039; with whaleoil, Wishart made a typical tory comment about the downside of democracy being that people with sub-100 IQs (that&#039;s 50% of people) can vote, and here&#039;s AP calling the new zealand people morons.

Oh and AP. Labour has outpolled National in 8 of the last 12 elections. If you include the Alliance with Labour, that figure goes to 10 out of 12.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, yes but CB was worst on the Lab v Nat contest, and had the greatest error in left v right split. I would argue its more important getting that wrong than errors in how votes are shared within the left and the right.</p>
<p>I think Absolute Power may actually be Wishart &#8211; in his &#8216;interview&#8217; with whaleoil, Wishart made a typical tory comment about the downside of democracy being that people with sub-100 IQs (that&#8217;s 50% of people) can vote, and here&#8217;s AP calling the new zealand people morons.</p>
<p>Oh and AP. Labour has outpolled National in 8 of the last 12 elections. If you include the Alliance with Labour, that figure goes to 10 out of 12.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/conflicting-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-29932</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 03:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It was also the furtherest out in its prediction for the 2005 general election&quot; - Tane

&quot;Hoolian. I think he makes that statement on the basis of being better informed than yourself. have a look at the polling agencies&#039; performance in 2005. http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2005/3898/ &quot; - Steve

I&#039;m loath to let the facts get in he way of your good story, but CB was third out of five in that link - ahead of Fairfax ACN and Morgan in terms of average error across all parties... so much for &quot;worst performer&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It was also the furtherest out in its prediction for the 2005 general election&#8221; &#8211; Tane</p>
<p>&#8220;Hoolian. I think he makes that statement on the basis of being better informed than yourself. have a look at the polling agencies&#8217; performance in 2005. <a href="http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2005/3898/" rel="nofollow">http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2005/3898/</a> &#8221; &#8211; Steve</p>
<p>I&#8217;m loath to let the facts get in he way of your good story, but CB was third out of five in that link &#8211; ahead of Fairfax ACN and Morgan in terms of average error across all parties&#8230; so much for &#8220;worst performer&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Robinsod</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/conflicting-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-29884</link>
		<dc:creator>Robinsod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um AP, do you realise how dumb you&#039;re making yourself look using that moniker?

&lt;strong&gt;[play nice, &#039;sod. SP]&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um AP, do you realise how dumb you&#8217;re making yourself look using that moniker?</p>
<p><strong>[play nice, 'sod. SP]</strong></p>
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		<title>By: More polls &#171; the Nicholas O&#8217;Kane blog</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/conflicting-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-29880</link>
		<dc:creator>More polls &#171; the Nicholas O&#8217;Kane blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at 54%, I am very suspicious that it is overestimated in this poll. Full poll results can be seen here. You can get a better picture by looking at a range of polls, rather than relying on one. Averaging [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] at 54%, I am very suspicious that it is overestimated in this poll. Full poll results can be seen here. You can get a better picture by looking at a range of polls, rather than relying on one. Averaging [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Absolute Power</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/conflicting-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-29879</link>
		<dc:creator>Absolute Power</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fraudulent pledgecards do influence the moronic public at times Mr Pierson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fraudulent pledgecards do influence the moronic public at times Mr Pierson.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Pierson</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/conflicting-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-29876</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Pierson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hoolian. I think he makes that statement on the basis of being better informed than yourself. have a look at the polling agencies&#039; performance in 2005. http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2005/3898/

I haven&#039;t seen figures but I hear that in the last two decades you had a better change of predicting the election outcome correctly by flipping a coin than by using colmar brunton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hoolian. I think he makes that statement on the basis of being better informed than yourself. have a look at the polling agencies&#8217; performance in 2005. <a href="http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2005/3898/" rel="nofollow">http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2005/3898/</a></p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen figures but I hear that in the last two decades you had a better change of predicting the election outcome correctly by flipping a coin than by using colmar brunton.</p>
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		<title>By: Tane</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/conflicting-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-29875</link>
		<dc:creator>Tane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colmar Brunton tends to have National out at least four to five points higher than the other polls. It was also the furtherest out in its prediction for the 2005 general election.

And yeah, I know Labour haven&#039;t been doing well, and the Greens have been all over the place. The trends seem to be going in the right direction though, Colmar Brunton notwithstanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colmar Brunton tends to have National out at least four to five points higher than the other polls. It was also the furtherest out in its prediction for the 2005 general election.</p>
<p>And yeah, I know Labour haven&#8217;t been doing well, and the Greens have been all over the place. The trends seem to be going in the right direction though, Colmar Brunton notwithstanding.</p>
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		<title>By: Hoolian</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/conflicting-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-29873</link>
		<dc:creator>Hoolian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; Last night&#039;s TVNZ poll, conducted by New Zealand&#039;s least reliable polling company... &lt;/i&gt;

On what basis are you making that outrageous assertion, Tane?  Colmar-Brunton is one of the county&#039;s leading telemarketing companies.  Admit it, the only reason you seek to undermine it&#039;s credibility is because it put a Key-led National way ahead, and that doesn&#039;t sit right with you.

&lt;i&gt; Instead, we should see polls for what they really are: a bit of fun for political junkies and a useful indicator of trends over a period of time. &lt;/i&gt;

Yes, well, if you take that viewpoint of polls as trends, then you must also admit that Labour is not actually doing all that well.  They have polled consistantly behind National.  A pity really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Last night&#8217;s TVNZ poll, conducted by New Zealand&#8217;s least reliable polling company&#8230; </i></p>
<p>On what basis are you making that outrageous assertion, Tane?  Colmar-Brunton is one of the county&#8217;s leading telemarketing companies.  Admit it, the only reason you seek to undermine it&#8217;s credibility is because it put a Key-led National way ahead, and that doesn&#8217;t sit right with you.</p>
<p><i> Instead, we should see polls for what they really are: a bit of fun for political junkies and a useful indicator of trends over a period of time. </i></p>
<p>Yes, well, if you take that viewpoint of polls as trends, then you must also admit that Labour is not actually doing all that well.  They have polled consistantly behind National.  A pity really.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Pilott</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/conflicting-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-29855</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Pilott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Infused - that would be a difficult line to tow, what with the other poll out at the same time :)

Does anyone know if polls are usually better scheduled than this?  

This incident illustrated the inaccuracy of polls (or at least the influence certain non-random factors have upon polling) and I would imagine it damages the credibility of the political market research industry.  Maybe next time they should compare notes and delay the release of one poll to avoid something like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Infused &#8211; that would be a difficult line to tow, what with the other poll out at the same time <img src='http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Does anyone know if polls are usually better scheduled than this?  </p>
<p>This incident illustrated the inaccuracy of polls (or at least the influence certain non-random factors have upon polling) and I would imagine it damages the credibility of the political market research industry.  Maybe next time they should compare notes and delay the release of one poll to avoid something like this.</p>
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		<title>By: infused</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/conflicting-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-29826</link>
		<dc:creator>infused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good post. I half expected you guys to be jumping all over the TV3 poll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good post. I half expected you guys to be jumping all over the TV3 poll.</p>
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