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“Conservation” Minister

Written By: - Date published: 8:40 am, December 3rd, 2011 - 103 comments
Categories: climate change, Conservation, Mining, national - Tags: , , ,

Forest and Bird is pressing strongly on the issue that may soon turn in to Mining March II.  From The Herald yesterday:

Minister gave word on coalmine, say lobbyists

Pressure is mounting on Conservation Minister Kate Wilkinson for allegedly breaking her word that the public would get a say on development of a huge open-cast coal mine.

Ms Wilkinson initially gave an undertaking to consult the public on significant mining applications in July last year when stiff public opposition forced her and Energy and Resources Minister Gerry Brownlee to backtrack on plans to open up Schedule Four conservation land to mining.

Environmental advocacy group Forest & Bird says she also this year gave a specific undertaking that the public would be consulted over Australian company Bathurst Resources’ application for access for an open- cast mine on conservation land at Denniston Plateau north of Westport. But this week she sent Forest & Bird a letter saying that would not happen. …

“Thousands of New Zealanders marched down Queen St because they were concerned about mining on conservation land and we believed the Government had taken on the message that the public wanted conservation land to be protected from mining. “We think it’s disappointing for all New Zealanders who marched to have this decision made just days after the election.” But through a spokesman, Ms Wilkinson denied making that undertaking to Forest & Bird. …

“It would be the second largest open-cast mine in the country and that’s just stage one. They have made no secret about the fact that their intention is to expand from that first stage into an operation that takes over pretty much the entirety of the Denniston Plateau and at that point it’s without doubt New Zealand’s largest coalmine.”

Now correct me if I’m wrong here, but isn’t it the job of a “Conservation” Minister to, you know, conserve? Instead of leading the mining charge? Ramping up a new and bigger than ever coalmine is a conservation crime. And that’s just here in NZ, never mind the sheer stupidity of mining coal that so significantly fuels carbon emissions. Anyone up for another march?

103 comments on ““Conservation” Minister”

  1. anne 1

    Kate Wilkinson is a ‘yes,your honor’ to key and his crew,so she is following ‘dear leader’
    I agree the only thing that nz’ers can do now with the consevartion land is to ‘march’ also
    the deep sea drilling that key and co have signed up to,undercover of course,that also must be
    protested by a ‘march’
    There is no other way,key and the national party consider that the land of the long white cloud
    is theirs to pilfer and pillage,also protests against asset sales must happen also.
    48% does not say,go ahead,do what you like!
    The election may be all but over,but the fight is just beginning if Key and his co-horts remain in control.

    • seeker 1.1

      Totally agree Anne. What about petitioning for a referendum? Is this an extra way to go to add to the swell of disapproval at this barbaric government’s actions against our land and precious assets? How does one set about this or are they already set up? Does anyone know?

  2. vto 2

    You should prepare for another march because there aint no doubt that these extremists will keep on mining and damming and dumping their shit in the rivers until it is all gone. And they all know that this term will be the last chance for a long long time, perhaps a lifetime or more, to get in.

  3. RedLogix 3

    Waiting one day until after the election to announce the Stockton plateau decision is sordid and vile. At one level I knew that I couldn’t expect any better from National; but to have this arrogant betrayal cynically shoved down my gob like this really fucks me off. Big time.

    While my interest in politics is probably for the most part fairly abstracted… when it comes to the Conservation estate I get visceral.

  4. Mark 4

    We, as caretakers of this country for future generations, cannot allow this government to destroy it. We need demonstrations in every town & city..

    • mik e 4.1

      Old lizard eyes Smith shifty as a lizards eyes no insult meant to poor old lizards Key is to scared to let him on TV because he looks like he behaves

    • anne 4.2

      The green party need to be heavily involved here and co-ordinate a march,something that they are brilliant at,the march in the photo of this column shows what a march should look like,a replica of that is needed,the petition as well,the people of nz should take their power back
      when attacks on our land and the people are imminent,key and co,pander to the
      money traders such as goldman sachs and this should be stopped,goldman sachs are heavily inoved in our assets sales,i suspect that the ‘partial sale’ idea was to soften up objection to it
      and is not the full story, once key is on a roll who knows what will be next.

    • Reality Bytes 4.3

      Hear hear. And they did take notice and change tack last time when Queen Street was swamped with all those concerned citizens. Even arrogant politicians take notice at those sort of numbers, including all those trying to get there but had transport difficulties or for whom it was impractical.

      It’s a great way to steer our government over serious issues outside of elections, and when our government is too arrogant to have referendums over things many of us are passionate about.

      If there were similar protests over Asset sales, or Deep sea drilling (etc) I recon National would back down pretty fast.

  5. seeker 5

    By the time I ( and countless others I imagine) get around to being able to visit special places like the Denniston Plateau, they won’t be there, if this pillaging and barbaric government gets it’s reckless way. They must be stopped.

  6. Janice 6

    These assets (both power co’s and conservation estate) were probably put up for collateral to borrow the money to give themselves and their rich mates’ tax cuts. So TINA.

  7. Craig Glen Eden 7

    Time to March and make last time look like small fry.

  8. Dr Terry Creagh 8

    The Greens really mean to fight this dread move. We all need to make our voices heard now. Nothing could make clearer the arrogance of this government. I have written to Kate Wilkinson with my very strong protest, but she appears to reply through “spokespersons”, I have thus far to hear from her in person. The next march (marches?) will want to be double the size of the last.

    • Colonial Viper 8.1

      this is a timely reminder to all Green members how incompatible National is with their values, despite protestations of being “Blue-Green”.

    • Reality Bytes 8.2

      Kate Wilkinson’s job description is to provide PR services for the Crown Mineral Estate. That’s all.

  9. randal 9

    fair is foul and foul is fair.
    these guys have no pricinciples and no idea about truth.
    they only there to line their own pockets so they can buy stuff and lord it over the rest and everything but everything must go intheir quest of re-making the wolrd to fit themselves.
    they are like pigs but no one ever cleans out the sty.

  10. Sanctuary 10

    Hey – we’ve got a defense minister when we are actively fighting as part of an imperialist occupation force in a landlocked country in central Asia, so what’s in a name?

  11. Nick C 11

    I dont know much about this particular case, but… http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/03/mining_under_labour.html

    • Colonial Viper 11.1

      Put it this way, the main issue for me is that National made this and waited until after the election to release it. Cynical and manipulative.

      • Nick C 11.1.1

        Fair enough, although I would note she denies ever having made such a promise.

        GWH: Sure, but they also did approve mining operations. I have seen no evidence that the quantity or scale of new mining operations has actually increased with National in Government, it just seems like environmental groups have decided to make a bigger fuss.

    • ghostwhowalksnz 11.2

      Fancy that you just happened to find an authoritive source quoting Jerry Brownlee and highlighted on Farragoblog.
      The clincher is Farrars trademark ‘ Big Lie’
      That is an average of one permit every fortnight was issued under Labour for mining on conservation land
      When it was looked into, they found these ‘prospecting’ ( not mining) often involved Tourist operations which were at the level of fossicking in river beds

    • RedLogix 11.3

      So what Nick. No doubt if you go back far enough you can point out examples of anything done, under any govt, to suit your argument.

      But what happened in the past in never complete or sufficient justification for continuing to do the same in the future.

  12. Deuto 12

    Below is the link to the Forest and Bird petition to save the Denniston Plateau from open cast mining that Jackal posted in Open Mike on 30 November at 8.1 for those wanting to support it.

    http://www.forestandbird.org.nz/what-we-do/campaigns/save-the-denniston-plateauours-not-mine/save-the-denniston-plateau-online-petit

    Hope the link t works if not, I will try reposting it.

  13. mac1 13

    I sometimes think that there are some fundamentalists in Government who believe in the End Times or who are influenced by those who secretly believe in them. Like some Secretary for the Environment in the USA under President Reagan who wanted to plunder the National Parks there since the End of the World was Nigh, (in the next twenty years he said then, so he must be feeling just a wee bit foolish right now- or dead), and like the local Libertarian candidate during the election who at a meeting went on about man’s biblical right to have dominion over the earth, including the right to …. yep you guessed it….. mine, mill and otherwise ‘manage’ the earth’s resources.

    There is the same self-serving thinking in the case of End-timers who want the world to end in their life-time for obscure psychological reasons, and in those who say that we must mine, mill and irrigate farms to the detriment of our lives, landscapes, forests, rivers and waterways.

    The times demand it, they say. Jobs, they cry. It’s going out to sea and is being wasted, they chorus.

    When all behind it is greed, pathology and power. If the mines, forests, rivers and waterways were all owned by the people then private business wouldn’t be so profit and greed driven, would they? But hang on, don’t we own them already?

    We, the people, have to have our say in this.

    • Afewknowthetruth 13.1

      mac 1

      Nice rant. I’ve often wondered the same, i.e. whether we are governed by ‘reptiles’ who want to see the world destroyed in their own lifetimes.

      I now conclude what we are talking about is the fundamental nature of evil. We are governed by those who are quite content to see the world destroyed in order that they can have more money, more power, more worldly possessions etc. Their minds have been taken over by some kind of evil.

      What is really interesting is that so much of what we are witnessing in modern societies does correspond with ‘end times’. i.e. materialism, selfishness, greed, the pursuit of extreme hedonism etc.

      • mike 13.1.1

        “I now conclude what we are talking about is the fundamental nature of evil. We are governed by those who are quite content to see the world destroyed in order that they can have more money, more power, more worldly possessions etc. Their minds have been taken over by some kind of evil.”

        I’m sure for many it’s purely a case of “power corrupts”, but what I want to get across is that psychopaths are highly skilled at climbing in politics and the corporate world. I honestly believe that this peice of information is a piece of the puzzle that is not properly understood, or is underestimated. You don’t need David Icke’s lizards to explain why certain politicians and extremely rich people are gleefully butt-f*cking the planet, you just need to understand that psychopaths are lying manipulators of an order people do not appreciate who are pathologically attracted to malevolent power over others. I see certain things being broadly ascribed to “greed” or “human nature” without the psychopath factor being taken into account.

        If power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, the psychopath actively and expertly corrupts, in the main part, just for fun. I urge people to have a look at some definitions of psychopathy. Once they have infiltrated a group, they will spread their disease like a cancer. Those around them will come to accept, admire, and adopt psychopathic thinking and selfish manipulative behaviours.

        • seeker 13.1.1.1

          Mike

          Powerful and insightful comment especially:

          ‘Once they have infiltrated a group, they will spread their disease like a cancer. Those around them will come to accept, admire, and adopt psychopathic thinking and selfish manipulative behaviours.’

          I believe it behoves all of us to be more discerning and to encourage our youth to be likewise …
          Wise discernment is the prime way to deflect the spread of their disease. Unfortunately I have seen many in the National party and the MSM become ‘infected’ and move to the ‘dark side’. Their behaviour,once quite reasonable, subtly changes until they are all chirrping blindly from the same tombstone. Horrible.
          I wonder who the carrier of the disease was and when it first started?

          • mike 13.1.1.1.1

            Whats worse, once the leadership is infected, the disease can spread to the population by osmosis. Greed is good, might is right, don’t love thy neighbour. They follow the example of their leader. Witness some of the small-minded and self-centred RWNJ arguments of some on this site. And try watching Fox news, America’s most popular ‘news’ network, for more than an hour without being shocked by the bigotry. (I was trying to watch it for a while to observe the madness, but eventually it actually began to make me feel nauseous.)

            “I believe it behoves all of us to be more discerning and to encourage our youth to be likewise…”

            Sadly I only see a dumbing down going on, and guess who that suits.

            Who was the carrier? I doubt there is just one… However I hear the disease is rife amongst bankers and traders. My prime suspect: John Key.

        • Frida 13.1.1.2

          Mike there’s definitely something in this. Not sure if it’s evil but more along the lines of what a Christian fundy once tried to argue to me when defending her nutty climate change denial stance. From memory it went something along the lines of ‘well the bible says the Earth’s resources are for mankind to use and when they run out it doesn’t matter anyway cos we are in the End Times and the good believers amongst us are going to a better place anyway.’

          Nutty but scary stuff. She wouldn’t listen to reason either.

          And with the Catholic Mafia on the Government Front Bench I wouldn’t be surprised if a similar view is held by them

          • Frida 13.1.1.2.1

            Sorry I was responding to mac1′s original comment if that wasn’t clear!!

          • Vicky32 13.1.1.2.2

            And with the Catholic Mafia on the Government Front Bench I wouldn’t be surprised if a similar view is held by them

            Not a chance! Catholics are, as I have tried to point out before, very different, and hold views 180º opposed to the ones you say your fundy acquaintance held.
            What the Nats did/will do is bead enough, without trying to drag in anti-religious bigotry, no matter how well it goes down with Standardistas… (Talk about swallowing dead rats – there are times I just have to endure the hysterical bigotry here, for the sake of the more nuanced views I want to read…)

            • Frida 13.1.1.2.2.1

              Sorry I generally try and ignore your bigoted postings so I had missed you defending the religious whack jobs previously

              But now I know you’re a god botherer it does explain a good deal about your offensive views on homosexuality and abortion so I will definitely ignore anything you have to say in future.

              And for the record I didn’t ‘make up’ what the Christian fundy told me as your post seems to imply. I was forced to stand there and listen to the deluded bronze age crap being spouted at me.

              Don’t bother replying, I won’t read it or respond to you. I have absolutely no time for religious nut jobs and am not afraid to say so.

              Over and out

              • felix

                Vick’s gonna call you a bigot now, cos if you don’t tolerate her homophobia and racism you’re practising religious oppression against her or some such bullshit.

                I’m glad the Christos I know aren’t like her.

              • Vicky32

                Sorry, Frida, I ought to ignore you, but it just isn’t in me to do so… I did not imply you ‘made up’ what the ‘fundy’ said – I’ve had ‘fundies’ say similar things to me! You chose to infer that, I wonder why? Did you in fact make it up and you feel guilty? ???
                I had simply wanted to point out that Catholics think differently from fundies, but you don’t want to hear it. Mental health issues much? You wanna kill babies so bad that you refuse to hear anyone who doesn’t believe in murder? If you have a job, I wonder how you manae to function – do you interrogate someone about their views on baby-killing before conversing with them? How does your boss feel about that, supposing she disagrees with you? It all could be very awkward…

  14. Afewknowthetruth 14

    Apart from the fact that everything connected with central and local government is Orwellian (war is peace, ignorance is strength, freedom is slavery) these days, people who are concerned about the future need to look in the mirror.

    Present living arrangements in NZ are entirely dependent on all the kinds of activities people profess to hate.

    On a typical day in NZ people drive to work, drive their children to school (or put them on a bus), drive to a supermarket, purchase food produced via induistrial agriculture (which is predicated abuse of animals and on the consumption of huge amounts of oil and natural gas), cook, wash and get entertained courtesy of fossil fuels.

    During their leisure time they drive to golf courses, tennis clubs, rugby games, netball matches, or just drive for something to do. Prior to Chistmas they buy a whole load of junk, mostly made in China these days, because it looks pretty (it’s the nature of humans). And the more affluent among us fly somewhere. Imports of cars, jetskis, electrical goods etc. are paid for via industrial agriculture and mining of natural resources.

    How many people who will be protesting against extreme looting of the planet we live on are very happy to get the short term benefits from less covert looting?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogo_(comic_strip)#.22We_have_met_the_enemy_and_he_is_us..22

    You can’t consume a planet and keep living on it. Or as Derrick Jensen put it, you can’t kill and planet and live on it too:

    http://foodfreedom.wordpress.com/2011/07/16/you-cant-kill-a-planet-and-live-on-it-too-interview-with-derrick-jensen/

    and

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MeiB1Q70k0

    At the moment about 0.1% of the populace seem to understand. (Okay, maybe 1%).

    Paradigm shift anyone?

    • Uturn 14.1

      1+

      Simply acknowledging this fact every time we spend money or use any resourse (no need to get fanatical or depressed about it – even though it is important for survival) will help highlight our position in a dynamic environment. We are an integral part of the system, neither several steps apart on safe ground or tourists.

  15. Alan 15

    Have you actually seen the Denniston plateau? It’s as near as we’ve got to a desert. Even pine trees won’t grow up there! Rare Snails my arse! Every time anyone wants to do something here, there’s ‘rare’ snails in the way – thousands of them.

    I voted for Damien btw, as any sane Coaster would, and we NEED the mining jobs.

    cheers

    • Afewknowthetruth 15.1

      Alan.

      Which part of rendering the Earth unihabitable for your children (or your neighbour’s if you don’t have any) do you not understand?

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cif-green/2009/nov/30/canada-tar-sands-copenhagen-climate-deal

      ( a little dated but the image says it all)

      • Alan 15.1.1

        This is not that sort of operation.

        We live in Greymouth and we had 9 children, (3 natural, 6 adopted). They’ve all grown and gone because there simply aren’t enough jobs here. Some may return one day, they’d like to, but I doubt it – the Coast’s biggest export has always been its young people.

        Mining makes a mess, but it doesn’t stay like that. Have a look at Goldsborough, Waiuta, Okarito, Charleston – all once big mining areas, (Charleston was bigger than Wellington!), and now you’ve got to look really hard to see where they were – and that is without the land-restoration that is required these days.

        cheers

        • Draco T Bastard 15.1.1.1

          Jobs aren’t the problem, distribution of the resources is. If we had a rational economy we probably wouldn’t need to dig up all that coal at all.

          We produce far more than what we need to maintain our society sustainably and keep everyone at a reasonable living standard.

          And here’s the big question: What do you do for jobs once all the coal is gone?

          • mac1 15.1.1.1.1

            “But when the job is o’er and my boat rots on the shore
            How will I feed my family when the companies move away?”

            “Men’o’Worth” – Archie Fisher

            Exactly.

    • mac1 15.2

      Have you actually seen the Denniston plateau?

      Yep!

      It’s as near as we’ve got to a desert.

      Yep! That’s why it’s important.

      Even pine trees won’t grow up there!

      There are other ways of defining utility or beauty!

      Rare Snails my arse! Every time anyone wants to do something here, there’s ‘rare’ snails in the way – thousands of them.

      Well reasoned.

      I voted for Damien btw,

      good for you

      as any sane Coaster would,

      there are other ways of defining sanity!

      and we NEED the mining jobs.

      Why does my mind flick immediately to the same argument when applied to slavery? Alan, there are other ways in which the Coast and Coasters can survive, and thrive.

      cheers

      And to you, cheers.

      • insider 15.2.1

        Mac

        Denniston is a near desert because people came and mined there 100 years ago and there have been regular burn offs. Not sure how you can claim it has a unique status because of that. Do industrial wastelands like Mapua or Waihi or have the same status?

        • mac1 15.2.1.1

          Insider, the landscape of New Zealand has a history of ‘burn-offs’ either naturally occurring or by human intervention. Other effects on the landscape come from weather, earthquakes, animals introduced or native, and human activity.

          So yes, although altered, landscapes can still be unique in terms of their flora, fauna, rock formation/s, natural beauty, location etc.

          Industrial wastelands or not- history has enough examples of what were industrial wastelands altered into something more appealing- but then the whole concept that you argue from is human-based, culturally based, based on notions of what is actually ‘wasteland’. The same that Alan above was arguing about deserts.

          Read “The Seven Pillars of Wisdom” and find out what deserts can actually be- homes, spiritual birthplaces etc. Where did Christ go when he wanted to pray?

          • insider 15.2.1.1.1

            This is not an ancient modified landscape with unique adaptations AFAIK, it is one modified in very recent memory. That’s why I don’t view it as having significant value, any more so than the hillside cleared of pine plantation, or the Stockton minescape a couple of kms up the road.

    • Afewknowthetruth 16.1

      chris

      What is that supposed to mean?

      You celebrate nature and are opposed to mining?

      Or you celebrate mining and look forward to nature being exterminated?

      • chris73 16.1.1

        Yes

      • felix 16.1.2

        It means he wants to support whatever National wants to do but can’t think of a way to actually argue in favour of it, so now he’ll bore everyone to distraction with meaningless gibberish and pretend he was just here for the lulz all along.

        Make a case, chris. Step up and tell us all why you support this move by the Nat govt.

        (cue “I have”, and “I never said I did”, and “you’re all too stupid to understaaaand my sophisticated style of debate”. Yawn.)

        • chris73 16.1.2.1

          Fine, I support mining and this endevor will create jobs in one of the most depressed areas of the country and I hope this time the govt won’t cave into a bunch of star-struck NIMBYs from Auckland

          • felix 16.1.2.1.1

            There you go, wasn’t too hard after all.

            Actual mining question aside, what do you reckon about the Nats waiting until the day after the election to break their promise?

            • chris73 16.1.2.1.1.1

              If they did, because lets face it forest and bird arn’t exactly neutral, its par for the course for any political party to breal promises

              Fortunately I agree with this course of action so I’m not fussed about it

              • mike

                That’s RWNJ arguments are reduced to – breaking promises is fine.

              • felix

                Err chris you must be thinking of a different F&B. They’re most definitely not a politically motivated organisation. You couldn’t be more wrong about that.

                Anyhoo, what if the govt promised to do something you did agree with (say, opening a new mine and giving you a payrise) and then the day after the election they reneged?

                Still not fussed?

                • chris73

                  Politicians break promises all the time, so I’d be blase about it (and depending on the promise broken would determine my vote at the next election)

              • crashcart

                You know what Chris that is some pretty good reasoning. Mining will create jobs in a depressed area. I have another good one. Northland has terrible unemployment and grows really good weed. Legalise cannbis to create jobs in North land. The country has huge demand for P. lets legalise that and create a massive industry and lower unemployment even further. After all your argument is that the ends justify the means.

  16. Tiger Mountain 17

    We have a minister of Labour too, who in reality is minister for capital as it is hands off all the way.
    Non intervention in disputes between workers and employers where some could be useful, but maximum intervention in changing the playing field to the detriment of workers-90 day Fire at Will, legislation under urgency that violates ILO freedom of association etc.

    More marches yes! Maybe some of the million that did not vote in the general election may care to participate too. People have to act, waiting for the next election is no longer an option.

    • Ianupnorth 17.1

      And as was pointed out by Annette king, we have a minister for racing, but not one for children – we care more for the TAB, equines and their owners/trainers than we do about those who will care for us in the future – go figure.

      • Nick C 17.1.1

        I find it bizzare that you judge what people care about more by what does and does not have a government department/minister dedicated to it.

        • Colonial Viper 17.1.1.1

          I find it bizarre that we have prioritised budgets for a Minister for Race Horses and not one for a Minister of Children.

          • Afewknowthetruth 17.1.1.1.1

            CV

            Don’t forget we had a minister for rugby (not sure if we still do, probably; it’s such a good rort, why cancel it?) and have a minister tourism.

            The prime concern of most government ministers is to ensure that fossil fuels are converted into CO2 as quickly as possible.

            We might as well call them all ‘ministers for fucking the future of young New Zealanders’.

            Unfortunately, the last Labour government was locked into much the same mindset.

            I recall talking to Harry Do-nothing (when he was associate minster for resources) about the need to keep fossil fuels in the ground and lead the way in decoupling from dependence on sequestered carbon if he wanted his children to have a future.

            A week or so later he signed a deal for overseas corporations to start drilling.

  17. Afewknowthetruth 18

    chris

    So you managed to blurt it out in the end. You are in favour of annihilating nature as it currently exists, and by inferrence you are in favour of humanty annihilating itself for ‘a few pieces of silver’ (just for your information, since you seem to be so very, very stupid, humanity cannot exist without the natural systems that make life life on Earth possible). Kill the planet we live on. Nice one!

    Just think, since you have a suicide wish, you could get on with if this afternoon and save us the bother of having to put up with your inane comments in the future.

    • chris73 18.1

      “You are in favour of annihilating nature as it currently exists, and by inferrence you are in favour of humanty annihilating itself for ‘a few pieces of silver’ (just for your information, since you seem to be so very, very stupid, humanity cannot exist without the natural systems that make life life on Earth possible). Kill the planet we live on. Nice one!”

      - Wow melodramatic much?

      “Just think, since you have a suicide wish, you could get on with if this afternoon and save us the bother of having to put up with your inane comments in the future.”

      - Hate speech from the left (are you a leftie or looney?) anyone surprised

      Instead of wishing people dead why not go outside and hug a tree? I think you might be suffering from oxygen deprivation

  18. Afewknowthetruth 19

    mike.

    I nearly missed your earlier comment.

    Yes, I agree with what you say about psychopaths. Selfish and greedy is a ‘nice’ way of saying it.

    I have put is slightly differently on many occasions, describing most of our so-called leaders as psychotic sociopaths (mentally ill and disconnected from reality, unable to form meaningful relationships with those around them and prone to antisocial behaviours).

    Needless to say, they take money from us (via taxes, rates, charges) and use the money to promote their dysfunctional policies and mislead society

    That is a kind of evil, is it not?

    • chris73 19.1

      So what would you class yourself? Because suggesting I should kill myself isn’t exactly normal behaviour (maybe it is where you come from I guess)

    • mike 19.2

      I didn’t mean I thought it not evil, I just think some people’s view of ‘human nature’ is skewed by the historical actions of psychopaths. I mean, I can’t help wondering how different our history would be if there were none. We might well have a different view of our own potential human failings of greed, meglomania, exploitation, war, etc.

      Are they evil? You are into interesting philosophical and even spiritual debate territory there! Dr Robert Hare, probably the foremost expert on psychopathy, says it’s actually quite difficult to call psychopathy a mental illness under any meaningful definition of mental illness. He says a biologist might dispassionately call it a valid and often effective adaptation to an organism’s environment, albeit a very selfish one. He even hints at calling them a different species!

      It is increasingly understood that they are very well adapted to the corporate and political worlds, and I’m interested that modern scientific understanding of psychopaths in society, i.e. not just the ones behind bars, is changing quite quickly. Especially in light of current events.

      Nice vid below by the way.

  19. Julia 20

    Afktt

    Having read your countless comments on peak oil, implosion of our systems, acid oceans etc, might I comment we heard you the first time?

    There appears to be a couple of dozen contributors to this site maybe there is a better more productive medium for your message?

    As a practical, sustainable, environmentally friendly option, have you considered sandwich boards?

    You could tramp up and down main streets, or stand on busy intersections, and get a wide audience for your assorted messages. Obvious key points such as THE END IS NIGH! or WE ARE DOOMED!, spring to mind as useful starting points. Old messages certainly, but everyone would get your drift.

    • Afewknowthetruth 20.1

      Julia.

      ‘might I comment we heard you the first time?’

      If only that were,/b> the case!

      Day afer day, week after week, month after month, I read articles posted for comment and responses that clearly indicate most people don’t get it. Most people don’t get it at all! They are either in total denial or think that greenwash ‘solutions’ proposed by the Green Party are going to save them. In both cases the main reason seems to be gross ignorance.

      Re: you suggestion; I learned my lesson after Auckland Police came up with trumpted-up charges, abused me and lied in court, as is usually the case when anyone overtly opposes the agenda of the empire. Never again, thanks. Anyway, people don’t respond to sandwich boards unless they are advertising free stuff or a discount sale.

      Just look at how ‘Occupiers’ have been treated by the vicious bastards that make up a lot of police forces around the world -beaten over the head, kicked in the face, torso or genitals, sprayed in the face with pepper spray, fired on with rubber bullets, locked in cells with no sanitation. If you want an insight into how ‘security’ forces deal with those who stand for truth and justice, try this:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYFw3O–2R0

      • Afewknowthetruth 20.1.1

        The comment editor shuts off too quickly for when systems siezes up.

      • Vicky32 20.1.2

        (‘might I comment we heard you the first time?’
        Yes, Julia! I am with you there… )
         
        Just look at how ‘Occupiers’ have been treated by the vicious bastards that make up a lot of police forces around the world -beaten over the head, kicked in the face, torso or genitals, sprayed in the face with pepper spray, fired on with rubber bullets, locked in cells with no sanitation. If you want an insight into how ‘security’ forces deal with those who stand for truth and justice, try this:
         

        I suspect Afttt, that you want to be a martyr… :D Sadly, I skim your posts, in the hope that you’ll actually have something new to say one day! Really, I am not 100% in sympathy with your views, maybe 50%, but you are in serious danger of alienating those who might potentially be your supporters.
        I have a horrid feeling that you won’t care, but would just say “They won’t listen to Me, they’ll suffer.. Hehehehe… “

  20. Afewknowthetruth 21

    alan

    Yes, nature has in the past managed to recover to some extent from many of the assaalts mankind made on it, but there is much unseen damage, e.g. elevated levels of mercury in fish which now so high it is dangerous to eat too much salmon (not that we can afford to). And humans have pushed nature to the brink of collapse.

    Are you really suggesting we should push nature beyond he brink of collapse?

    Your pro-mining argument fails to address the matters of abrupt climate change and acdification of the oceans, either of which is very likely to render much of the Earth uninhabitable in a matter of decades.

  21. Julia 22

    Actually I was being facetious AFKTW, perhaps because I can afford salmon, and ive got my fingers crossed the oil lasts long enough to keep my SLK Mercedes in petrol to the “end of times” lol

    Having said that, I admire your persistence and sincerity.

    And no, Im in no doubt as the function and purpose of state security systems. At the pointy end of the stick, as security official or a protester, one would be naiive to not know otherwise.

  22. Afewknowthetruth 23

    chris

    ‘Wow melodramatic much?’

    Try telling that to an inhabitant of Joplin, or New Orleans, or Texas, now into its 12th month of catastrophic drought:

    Or try telling the people in the Fukishima district who have had their lives destroyed by industrialism ‘Wow melodramatic much’.

    The wonderful irony that is that the US is fast ‘going under’ as a direct result of the culture of ‘greed is good’ and the denial of reality that sociopaths of ‘the right’ have fostered for such a long time.

    http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/

    What would I class myself as? Humanitarian -someone who wants to minimise the suffering to come.

    I would also class myself as saner than most people I communicate with, since I don’t want the natural systems that make life possible wrecked, whereas wrecking the habitability of the Earth doesn’t seem to bother them.

    I only suggested you ‘get it over with’ because you do have a death wish for coming generations.

    • chris73 23.1

      You can justify it all you want but you still sound like you have a screw loose. Personally speaking I think that you’re probably quite an insigificant person thats latched onto some “big” issue in an effort to make yourself feel important.

      Good luck with that

      • Afewknowthetruth 23.1.1

        chris

        ‘you still sound like you have a screw loose’

        That is pretty much what people said when Copernicus said that the Sun didn’t go round the Earth. A little later Galileo was persecuted for promoting the truth and forced to recant what he knew was true by ‘those who knew better’.

        ‘On the basis of these observational discoveries, Galileo began to teach the modified Copernican heliocentric model of the solar system as the correct one. He even used Kepler’s laws to calculate orbital parameters for the orbits of the satellites revolving around Jupiter. However, direct proof that Earth moves around the Sun was still lacking. Furthermore, the Catholic Church considered Galileo’s heliocentric theory to be heretical. It placed Copernicus’s book on its Index of Restricted Books and tried Galileo before the Inquisition. Galileo was forced to recant the heliocentric theory and was placed under house arrest for the last eight years of his life.’

        http://science.jrank.org/pages/3276/Heliocentric-Theory-triumph-heliocentric-theory.html

        I suggest you make a careful note of this ‘conversation’ and 3 years from now check who was closest to the truth (if you are still alive).

        As for the other portion of your comment, it’s not worth responding to.

        • chris73 23.1.1.1

          Thats impressive, I mean I think pretty highly of myself but to compare yourself to Copernicus and Galileo is really quite something.

          Grandiose delusions

          In colloquial usage, one who overestimates one’s own abilities, talents, stature or situation is sometimes said to have ‘delusions of grandeur’. This is generally due to excessive pride, rather than any actual delusions.

          Anyone else you want to compare yourself? I’m guessing you probably identify with Cassandra.

          • Galeandra 23.1.1.1.1

            Chris73 @ 16.1.2.1..
            ..
            ‘(and depending on the promise broken would determine my vote at the next election)’ ….
            so you might be old enough to vote next time then?

            If you and your mates from the young Nats want to hang around, do so by all means.
            But the smart alec stuff isn’t going to cut it, is it? A reasoned debate might help you or others learn something.

            I’m impressed that you obviously studied Classics and know all about Cassandra.
            Maybe you studied Hamlet,too? Because you’re acting like some of the youngsters Hamlet complained about, you know – ‘troops of children, little eyasses.’
            Do you fancy yourself as a bit of an eyass?

            • chris73 23.1.1.1.1.1

              Young Nats? I’m not entirely sure what you mean as I’m probably too old to be a member (I’ll give you hint, you can guess my age from my user name) and I’m not actually interested in joining any political party

              Maybe lay off the cooking sherry before posting?

      • gnomic 23.1.2

        C73. Perhaps you are an utterly insignificant person with nothing better to do than hang around this blog making snide remarks which add nothing useful to the discussion.

        At least AFKTT appears to be motivated by a genuine concern for the future of the Earth and its inhabitants, and has devoted a considerable amount of time and energy to making his views known.

        http://www.oilcrash.com/articles/moore_09.htm

        Care to outline your own noteworthy contributions to discussion on any topic of major social import?

  23. Afewknowthetruth 24

    chris.

    I know you have great difficulty understanding simple English but please, please do try to understand this.

    I have never compared myself to Copernicus or Galileo in intellect. All I have said is that people who put forward ideas that do not conform to mainstream thinking (or the thinking of the uninformed masses) are regarded as eccentric, crazy, a ‘screw loose’ or whatever else those who do not understand the issue like to come up with as insults.

    You repeatedly demonstrate the phenomenon.

    • fender 24.1

      +1

      7+3= whatever john key says it is

      • neoleftie 24.1.1

        from the comments, if true, chris73 has made over the last few months he is the following:
        swing voter.
        working class
        white mate
        born 1973
        and see things very much through the narrow lens of those factors / influencers

        BUT he come on here and comments and comments from a very working class centralist position. give him some credit for posting..after all we need a balance of opinions.

        • felix 24.1.1.1

          Yeah chris is alright. He can give as good as he gets and make a point when he wants to.

        • Afewknowthetruth 24.1.1.2

          neoleft.

          Probably true.

          Hence we can see why the semblance of democracy we have has failed. The uninformed far outnumber the informed.

          Cheaper beer, cheaper fuel, cheaper cars, more roads, more race tracks, plunder the Earth till there is nothing left.

        • Vicky32 24.1.1.3

          BUT he come (sic) on here and comments and comments from a very working class centralist position. give him some credit for posting..after all we need a balance of opinions

          Wow, neoleftie, elitist much? What’s wrong with being working class? I am. Frankly, middle-class innerleckshuals get right up my nose, even though some working-class people have called me an innerleckshual! :D As I have previously said, and my reward has been a shedload of misogynistic abuse – the Standard is a pretty conformist place…

  24. Frida 25

    Forest and Bird has good legal advisors right?

    Because it seems to me that if they have documentation or other proof whereby the Minister created an expectation that part of the process would involve public consultation and now she has one back on that ‘promise’, this is prima facie grounds for a judicial review challenge of the decision not to consult.

  25. Frida 26

    Sorry that should have read ‘gone back on that promise’. Can’t get used to typing on an iPad.

    While a court could not ORDER that consultation take place (because it cannot make such a mandatory order against the Crown) The remedy to such a successful challenge would be a declaration that the Minister must fulfill her promise to consult. There is a convention that the Government will comply with such declarations given in a court of law.

    • lprent 26.1

      You are not alone. Lyn reckons that it is quite good. I just think that her fingers are smaller and more precise than mine.

      I have to write a touchscreen keyboard in the next few weeks. Bit more complicated as it is a resistive screen rather than capacitive, and users may be wearing gloves

  26. Frida 27

    Yeah I must get a wireless keyboard although apparently they are quite draining on the battery. Damn these sturdy working class hands lol :)

    Of course, the corollary to what I’ve said above is that even if judicia review was successful, the Govt would probably just invoke its favourite constitutional tool and ram through rectifying legislation under urgency to the effect that no consultation required notwithstanding previous promises.

    Still worth a shot though I reckon. Would send a clear message, ie there are those amongst us who are not prepared to take this shit lying down.

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    Greens | 29-07
  • Out of touch Brownlee gets numbers wrong
    Gerry Brownlee has shown how badly he is managing the rebuild by getting his figures wrong on how many houses are needed in Christchurch, Labour’s EQC spokesperson Clayton Cosgrove says. “Gerry Brownlee today tried to poor cold water on the...
    Labour | 29-07
  • Annette Sykes to launch campaign for Waiariki Annette Sykes, MANA candidate...
    At midday tomorrow, Annette Sykes will officially launch her campaign to win the Waiariki electorate seat for MANA in the upcoming general election. “A key goal for MANA this election is to mobilise our people to vote, especially rangatahi, and...
    Mana | 28-07
  • Minister shouldn’t stop Fish and Game doing its job
    It seems that Conservation Minister Nick Smith has again been caught out interfering to allow more pollution in our rivers, the Green Party said today. Last year the Department of Conservation submission on the proposed Ruataniwha Dam was suppressed after...
    Greens | 28-07
  • Public deserves electoral integrity
    National's deals with spent political forces ACT and United Future will be met with a deepening sense of unease over the manipulation of MMP, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says."These parties have no electoral mandate and will return to Parliament only...
    Labour | 28-07
  • Out of control costs raise questions about National Science Challenges
    Amid strong criticism of the value of the National Science Challenges from some of the country’s senior scientists, new figures show administrative costs are skyrocketing while the level of investment in actual science remains a mystery, says Labour’s Innovation, Research...
    Labour | 28-07
  • Low build numbers and faulty repairs: what has Brownlee been doing?
    Despite being a man in a hurry new figures show just 2160 new homes, thousands fewer than needed, have been built under Gerry Brownlee in the last two years, say Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford and EQC spokesperson Clayton Cosgrove....
    Labour | 28-07
  • Joyce’s heavy hand stifling innovation
    The National Government should allow scientists and businesses to get on with innovation rather than allow Steven Joyce's heavy hand to direct it, Green Party Co-leader Dr Russel Norman said today. Dr Norman was responding to reports today that several...
    Greens | 27-07
  • CERA spends almost $2m on 7000 flights
    CERA has spent $1.8 million on 7286 flights from Christchurch to Wellington in three years – a huge waste of money as Cantabrians still wait for solutions, Labour’s EQC spokesperson Clayton Cosgrove says. “Of course CERA officials do need to...
    Labour | 27-07
  • Nick Smith oversteps the mark yet again
    Nick Smith has yet again completely overstepped the mark as a minister – this time with a threat to muzzle Fish and Game if they don’t keep in line with Government’s views, says Labour’s Conservation spokesperson Ruth Dyson. “Nick Smith...
    Labour | 27-07
  • Georgina Beyer to stand for MANA in Te Tai Tonga
    “It’s great to have Georgie on board” said Hone Harawira, MANA Leader and Te Tai Tokerau MP.  ”She’s strong-minded, stands up to be counted, and has fought for the rights of those who haven’t had any – and won.  That...
    Mana | 27-07
  • Green Party launches plan to protect our beaches from oil spills
    The Green Party today launched its plan to protect New Zealand beaches from oil spills. The plan is the second component of the Party's environmental priority this election: Rivers clean enough to swim in again, and beaches safe from oil...
    Greens | 26-07
  • Auckland rail use spike shows need to start link now
    The Green Party today welcomes Auckland Transport figures showing rail patronage has soared by 23 percent in June from June 2013, demonstrating both the value of electrification and the need to immediately get cracking building the Auckland City Rail link."We...
    Greens | 25-07
  • Soaring rail use in Auckland shows need for rail link now
    The Green Party today welcomes Auckland Transport figures showing rail patronage has soared by 23 percent in June from June 2013, demonstrating both the value of electrification and the need to immediately get cracking building the Auckland City Rail link."We...
    Greens | 25-07
  • Puhoi-Warkworth decision doesn’t stack up
    The Board of Inquiry decision on the Puhoi-Warkworth motorway gives the green light to a project that doesn’t stack up, says Labour’s Transport spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour would spend $320 million immediately to fix the accident black spots, put in...
    Labour | 25-07
  • Key must stand Brownlee down during investigation
    The wise thing for the Prime Minister to do is ask Gerry Brownlee to hand in his transport warrant and to stand him down for the duration of the CAA investigation, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “It’s not good enough...
    Labour | 25-07
  • Puhoi highway won’t help Northland roads
    The draft decision by the Environmental Protection Agency to grant resource consent to the proposed $1.65 billion Puhoi motorway doesn't stop it being a waste of money, the Green Party said today. "The Puhoi motorway is an unnecessary waste of...
    Greens | 25-07
  • Green Party to focus on issues not sideshows
    The Green Party has launched its creative for the 2014 election; Love New Zealand. The Green Party campaign focuses on the issues where there is concern that we do not love New Zealand enough; our increasingly polluted environment, increased poverty...
    Greens | 25-07
  • Coleman must come clean about FBI briefing
    Former Immigration Minister Jonathan Coleman must come clean about when he was told the FBI was investigating Kim Dotcom, Labour’s Associate Security and Intelligence spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “Jonathan Coleman has previously said ministers were not aware of the American...
    Labour | 25-07
  • Regional economies need tailored plans
    News that up to 114 jobs could be lost from Fonterra’s Canpac plant in Hamilton reinforces the need for a government plan to build resilient regional economies, Labour’s MP for Hauraki-Waikato Nanaia Mahuta says. “The Canpac site has effectively responded...
    Labour | 25-07
  • Kiwis to get the final vote on amalgamation
    New Zealanders will get the right to have a final say on any proposed local body amalgamations, says Labour’s local government spokesperson Su’a William Sio releasing Labour’s Local Government policy today....
    Labour | 24-07
  • Dr Rajen Prasad’s Valedictory Statement
    Draft Hansard Parliamentary Record. Subject to correction. Bula vinaka. Namaste, Mr Assistant Speaker. Thank you very much. Tēnā koe. I am a lucky migrant and am privileged to have received as much as I have from this country for over...
    Labour | 24-07
  • Darien Fenton’s Valedictory Statement
    Nga mihi nui - kia koutou. I acknowledge all Members of Parliament I have served with and I do so without rancour or criticism. Over nearly nine years in parliament I’ve found that despite furious debate about political difference, most...
    Labour | 24-07
  • Immigation and Kim Dotcom – Harawira
    “I just got a call from National Business Review reporter, asking whether there was any contradiction between my thoughts on immigration in 2009 and now, particularly given MANA’s newly minted relationship with Kim Dotcom” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau...
    Mana | 24-07
  • Nats to announce 2nd crossing without rail
    Labour Transport spokesperson Phil Twyford says it has been leaked to him that John Key will rule out a rail option when announcing an accelerated timeframe for Auckland’s $5 billion second harbour crossing next month. “I understand the Government’s plan...
    Labour | 24-07
  • “They put Maori centre stage” – Harawira
    “I’m sorry I can’t be at parliament for the valedictory speeches of Tariana Turia and Pita Sharples” said Hone Harawira, MANA Leader and MP for Tai Tokerau, ”but I’d like to add my own best wishes as they reach the end...
    Mana | 24-07
  • ACT trying to have it both ways on zoning
    ACT Party candidate David Seymour’s campaign against changes to school zones in the Epsom electorate looks hollow given his party’s commitment to the abolition of school zoning altogether, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “It’s disingenuous for David Seymour to...
    Labour | 24-07
  • Interest rate rise will hit the regions
    The latest interest rate rise will hit the fragile regional economies of  New Zealand and hurt exporters by putting more upward pressure on the exchange rate, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker.  “The regions are already hit by dropping  export...
    Labour | 24-07
  • Burning the flag or accepting the evil
    Burning the Israeli flag in Auckland in protest over the murder of innocent civilians in Gaza is nothing to be ashamed of” said MANA Leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira. “Calling for both sides to stand down when one side...
    Mana | 23-07
  • Photo op disguises abysmal failure
    John Key’s opening of four Housing NZ units in Bexley today is nothing more than an insincere photo op designed to hide the Government’s failure to rebuild the housing stock destroyed by the earthquakes, says Labour’s Associate Housing spokesperson Poto...
    Labour | 23-07
  • TAXPAYER UNION “outrageously stupid”
    Jordan Williams, Executive Director of the Taxpayers’ Union says a MANA billboard “appears to have been funded by taxpayers”, and calls it “an outrageous use of taxpayer money”. “But the only thing that is outrageous, is how outrageously stupid Jordan Williams was...
    Mana | 23-07
  • Latest Roy Morgan Poll: Labour jumps 6.5 points up to 30%, National tumble
    Latest Roy Morgan Poll: National down to 46%, Labour up to 30%, Greens down to 12%, NZ First down to 5%, Maori Party up to 1.5%, Internet MANA up to 2,5%, ACT, United Future and Conservatives stay unchanged. To take into...
    The Daily Blog | 31-07
  • What is the nature of satire? Issues for the Human Rights Commission as the...
    Congratulations to Fairfax media for their detailed coverage of the current Human Rights Commission case being asserted by Louisa Wall that Al Nisbet’s cartoons were racist and deserved censure. Pity Fairfax published the cartoons in the first place however. The Human...
    The Daily Blog | 30-07
  • Labour promises $2 boost in minimum wage
    MIL OSI – Source: Unite Union – Headline: Labour promises $2 boost in minimum wage Labour leader David Cinliffe From the New Zealand Herald By Derek Cheng Wednesday July 30, 2014 A $2-an-hour boost to the minimum wage, scrapping the...
    The Daily Blog | 30-07
  • THEY CAN’T ALL WIN OFF THE RACE-CARD – Harawira
    MIL OSI – Source: Mana Movement – Headline: THEY CAN’T ALL WIN OFF THE RACE-CARD – Harawira Posted on July 30, 2014 by admin in Hone Harawira, Press Releases“They can’t all play the race card and expect to win off...
    The Daily Blog | 30-07
  • Labours policies a step change for working people
    MIL OSI – Source: CTU – Headline: Labours policies a step change for working people “After six long years of working life getting tougher in New Zealand workers have been given a real choice today with the announcement of Labours...
    The Daily Blog | 30-07
  • Novopay’s end must not be bulk funding’s beginning
    MIL OSI – Source: Green Party – Headline: Novopay's end must not be bulk funding's beginning Wednesday, 30 Jul 2014 | Press Release Teachers have endured two years of hell, never knowing from one week to the next if they’ll...
    The Daily Blog | 30-07
  • Green Party launches plan to protect our Maui’s dolphins
    MIL OSI – Source: Green Party – Headline: Green Party launches plan to protect our Maui’s dolphins Wednesday, 30 Jul 2014 | Press Release The Green Party today launched its plan to protect the world’s smallest and most endangered dolphin,...
    The Daily Blog | 30-07
  • USA: One year after her conviction Chelsea Manning must be released
    MIL OSI – Source: Amnesty International NZ – Headline: USA: One year after her conviction Chelsea Manning must be released Exactly one year after Chelsea Manning was convicted of leaking classified government material, Amnesty International is renewing its call on...
    The Daily Blog | 30-07
  • EU must close all loopholes in the torture trade
    MIL OSI – Source: Amnesty International NZ – Headline: EU must close all loopholes in the torture trade The European Union (EU) must urgently strengthen its laws to enable member states to immediately ban the trade in new devices and...
    The Daily Blog | 30-07
  • Swaziland: Deplorable sentences against journalist and lawyer stifle free s...
    MIL OSI – Source: Amnesty International NZ – Headline: Swaziland: Deplorable sentences against journalist and lawyer stifle free speech The sentencing of a newspaper editor and a human rights lawyer to two years in prison on charges of contempt of...
    The Daily Blog | 30-07
  • Graduate nurses put pressure on Ryall
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Graduate nurses put pressure on Ryall Moves by the Government to increase the number of training placements for nursing graduates will be seen for what they are – a cynical election ploy,...
    The Daily Blog | 30-07
  • Māori Party blocks the end of slave fishing vessels
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Māori Party blocks the end of slave fishing vessels Labour is appalled the Māori Party has refused to allow a final reading of legislation to abolish slavery conditions on foreign charter fishing...
    The Daily Blog | 30-07
  • Unconditional Gaza ceasefire needed now
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Unconditional Gaza ceasefire needed now The Israeli response in Gaza is disproportionate and with the firing of tanks and mortars into civilian areas, increasingly indiscriminate, says Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer....
    The Daily Blog | 30-07
  • Labour will raise minimum wage, restore work rights
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Labour will raise minimum wage, restore work rights A Labour government will raise the minimum wage $2 an hour to $16.25 and restore work rights to ensure the benefits of economic growth...
    The Daily Blog | 30-07
  • Taxpayer to fork out millions for Novopay rescue
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Taxpayer to fork out millions for Novopay rescue It will be cold comfort to teachers and school staff still struggling with Novopay that the National Government has finally stepped in to rescue...
    The Daily Blog | 30-07
  • Auckland consents down second month in a row
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Auckland consents down second month in a row National’s housing policy is in disarray with building consents in Auckland falling two months in a row, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford.  “Statistics...
    The Daily Blog | 30-07
  • A brief word on why Murray McCully’s email didn’t work in New York
    Ummmmmmm. What? An email to Foreign Minister Murray McCully’s office about former Malaysian diplomat Muhammed Rizalman bin Ismail invoking diplomatic immunity remained unopened for weeks – allegedly because communications were limited as the minister travelled to New York. So Muzza...
    The Daily Blog | 30-07
  • The infallible NZ Police
    You would think 44 years after one of their own framed an innocent man by planting evidence that the NZ Police would admit they got it wrong. Not so. The whitewash report yesterday into the Crewe murders does the usual...
    The Daily Blog | 30-07
  • Just how crazy is ACTs Whyte Supremacy?
    Two reasons why Jamie Whyte’s claim that Maori are as legally privileged as 17th Century French Aristocracy is possibly the most stupid thing anyone has ever said. 1 – That easy-Maori-University-entry chestnut is one of the worst examples the right...
    The Daily Blog | 30-07
  • Labour Commits To An End To Factory Farming
    Revelations that the Pigcare Accreditation scheme is still failing animals despite protestations from the Ministry, resulted in a day of national action across the country last Saturday. Thousands rallied in the centres against factory farming for a historic outcome for animals. For the...
    The Daily Blog | 30-07
  • Has Apartheid Israel committed war crimes?
    Last week 29 of the UN Human Rights Council’s 47 members voted to set up an inquiry into possible war crimes committed by Apartheid Israel during it’s latest bloody purge of the Palestinian people. It’s interesting to note the only member...
    The Daily Blog | 30-07
  • Mr Fixit is broken – Novopay becomes Neverpay
    There are deals so poorly agreed to with the barest amount of oversight green lighted for ideological reasons so mangled and damaged that not even Steven ‘Mr Fixit’ Joyce can dress it up beyond the turd cake it is. Novopay is one...
    The Daily Blog | 30-07
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 30-07
  • The Right-wing – strong on crime!
    . . National, ACT, and the Right, generally, are renowned for being “tough on crime”. What follows are just a few examples,  to illustrate National/ACT’s “toughness”. . . Ms Hauiti isn’t the first MP to mis-use tax-payer’s money, and most...
    The Daily Blog | 30-07
  • The 40 Percent Solution: Chris Trotter responds to Phil Quin.
    PHIL QUIN writes a mean political column. His long-standing connections to the right of the New Zealand Labour Party are extensive and strong. When he writes about politics, especially electoral politics, it is from personal experience and with considerable authority....
    The Daily Blog | 30-07
  • Labour’s new worker policy – $16.25 minimum wage
    Labour’s much anticipated worker policy has been released. It’s a mix of the aspirational and the smart. $15 minimum wage by Christmas this year, bumped up to $16.25 next year while banning the 90 day right to sack laws and...
    The Daily Blog | 30-07
  • The Liberal Agenda: 30th July- 3rd August
    Wednesday GAZA: Setler colonialism, apartheid and resistance panel discussion Want to know more about what’s going down (and has been going down since 1948) in Gaza, and by extension the Palestinian territory?  Come along to this panel discussion. No boring...
    The Daily Blog | 30-07
  • NZIFF: New Zealand’s Best
    Eleven   Saturday night was New Zealand’s Best at the New Zealand International Film Festival. The collection of 6 short films are selected from over a hundred and are all of very high quality. They compete for a number of...
    The Daily Blog | 30-07
  • Govt fudging figures over Transmission Gully – Green Party media release
    MIL OSI – Source: Green Party – Headline: Govt fudging figures over Transmission Gully – Green Party media release Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 | Press Release “The Government needs to come clean. In fact, the cost is $125 million per...
    The Daily Blog | 29-07
  • New Zealand criticised by Pacific Island leaders
    MIL OSI – Source: Green Party – Headline: New Zealand criticised by Pacific Island leaders Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 | Press Release “John Key and his government need to step up and take climate change seriously.” New Zealand needs to...
    The Daily Blog | 29-07
  • So where are the Taxpayer’s Union on Simon Bridges luxury oil dinners?
    So where is David Farrar’s astroturf fake union, the Taxpayer’s Union, to criticise the quarter of a million spent on luxury wine and food to woo the oil industry then? Luxury oil summit during Rugby Cup was an ‘investment’Energy Minister...
    The Daily Blog | 29-07
  • ACT show their true racist colours
    ACT Party conference in Epsom last week At some point ACTs low poll ratings were going to have to force ACT to stop pretending to be some free market under grad fantasy and get them back to their true purpose...
    The Daily Blog | 29-07
  • Broken English, broken government, broken climate
    Bill English’s unguarded statements on climate change demonstrate just how out of touch the National Party leadership really is, and how important it is that they should be forced to face facts. A couple of weeks ago finance minister Bill...
    The Daily Blog | 29-07
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – Privilege Lost
    Elton John didn’t get it wrong when said that sorry was the hardest word. It’s a word whose mere utterance can be seized upon as a sign of weakness and topic of ridicule, while simultaneously expressing understanding and opening the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-07
  • GUEST POST: Curwen Rolinson – A Vote For NZF Is A Vote For NZF – For Na...
    I’m loving this “Duelling Banjos” thing me and Bomber have got going on at the moment - he writes a piece castigating NZF for imminent existential failure due to Cons, I write a refutation setting out why we’ll be back. He writes a...
    The Daily Blog | 29-07
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, holidays
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 29-07
  • Laila Harre to run against Key in Helensville
    Another full house in Rotorua as part of Internet MANAs road trip Another day, another full house for the Internet MANA road trip. John Armstrong understands the energy now swirling around Internet MANA, and the latest announcements of Georgina Beyer...
    The Daily Blog | 29-07
  • Waiting for Gower’s Twittering of indignation…
    .   . Key has made his call; deals with ACT and Peter Dunne are in – a deal with the CCCP (Colin Craig’s Conservative Party), is out; . . Now we can look forward to TV3′s political commentator, Patrick...
    The Daily Blog | 29-07
  • National’s desperate oil drilling agenda exposed
    MIL OSI – Source: Green Party – Headline: National’s desperate oil drilling agenda exposed Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 | Press Release A Wall Street Journal article exposing the Government’s attempts to lure deep sea oil drillers to New Zealand shows...
    The Daily Blog | 29-07
  • Owner of Kiwis’ favourite tacos takes bold stand for climate action
    MIL OSI – Source: Oxfam NZ – Headline: Owner of Kiwis' favourite tacos takes bold stand for climate action The maker of Old El Paso tacos, Betty Crocker cake mixes and Haagan Daz ice-cream has today committed to industry-leading measures...
    The Daily Blog | 29-07
  • Out of touch Brownlee gets numbers wrong
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Out of touch Brownlee gets numbers wrong Gerry Brownlee has shown how badly he is managing the rebuild by getting his figures wrong on how many houses are needed in Christchurch, Labour’s...
    The Daily Blog | 29-07
  • GUEST BLOG: Michael Wood: Weekend at Bernie’s lll – ACT in Epsom
    While no one will be surprised by yesterday’s deal to prop up ACT in Epsom, the audacity of it is still astounding. ACT is a political corpse. Their sole MP has been found guilty of electoral fraud and bides his...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • So how’s all the ‘ Labour Party man ban’ hysteria working out for you...
    Remember all the screams from the media at the so called ‘man ban’ of the Labour Party? Labour’s attempt at gender equality was really just more evidence of Labour’s man hate,  feminists were taking over, heterosexual red blooded men burnt at the stake....
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Paul Henry; the issue is you, not flag-burning
    There will always be reductive, dangerous and reactionary responses to different forms of oppressive violence by our western, often biased, mainstream media. These reactionary responses purposefully distract from the real issues and those who are at the root and the...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Oh now John Armstrong and Vernon Small want to talk about policy?
    The audacity of the mainstream media seems to know no end. This week both John Armstrong and Vernon Small had the hilarity to demand a focus on policy and not ‘gotcha’ politics… John Armstrong: The ‘gotcha politics’ disease is afflicting...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • “They put Maori centre stage” – Harawira
    MIL OSI – Source: Mana Movement – Headline: “They put Maori centre stage” – Harawira  Posted on July 24, 2014 by admin in Hone Harawira, Press Releases“I’m sorry I can’t be at parliament for the valedictory speeches of Tariana Turia...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Burning the flag or accepting the evil
    MIL OSI – Source: Mana Movement – Headline: Burning the flag or accepting the evil Posted on July 24, 2014 by admin in Hone Harawira, Press ReleasesBurning the Israeli flag in Auckland in protest over the murder of innocent civilians...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • TAXPAYER UNION “outrageously stupid”
    MIL OSI – Source: Mana Movement – Headline: TAXPAYER UNION “outrageously stupid” Posted on July 24, 2014 by admin in Hone Harawira, Press ReleasesJordan Williams, Executive Director of the Taxpayers’ Union says a MANA billboard “appears to have been funded by taxpayers”,...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Tōku reo, tōku oho oho, tōku reo, tōku mapihi maurea – MANA launches ...
    MIL OSI – Source: Mana Movement – Headline: Tōku reo, tōku oho oho, tōku reo, tōku mapihi maurea – MANA launches te reo Māori policy  Posted on July 24, 2014 by admin in Annette Sykes, Press Releases, Te Hamua Nikora“MANA...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Green Party launches Solar in Schools policy
    MIL OSI – Source: Green Party – Headline: Green Party launches Solar in Schools policy Thursday, 24 Jul 2014 | Press Release Our Solar in Schools policy will allow them to save money on electricity – money which can be...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • NZ performers welcome Labour Party proposal
    NZ performers welcome Labour Party proposal to restore fairness and certainty for NZ workers Equity New Zealand today welcomed the announcement by the Labour Party that if elected, it would restore the right of film and television workers to collective...
    Scoop politics | 31-07
  • Tear Fund’s Obsession: Food And Sex (Trafficking)
    Food and sex have always been kindred bedfellows; both are sensory experiences that ignite the passions. For TEAR Fund, however, the relationship is less savoury and more complex. We work in the darkest brothels of Southeast Asia where young girls...
    Scoop politics | 31-07
  • Poll July 14-27: Nat 46% Lab 30% Gr 12% NZ1 5%
    National (46%) lead over Labour/ Greens (42%) cut significantly as Key rules out deal with Conservative Party but says National would consider a deal with NZ First (5%)...
    Scoop politics | 31-07
  • Study could be used to counter high suicide rates
    Should social media companies such as Facebook and Twitter be subject to moral obligations with regards to their customers' mental health? In the wake of the furore following the “Emotional Contagion” study carried out by Facebook themselves, the question...
    Scoop politics | 31-07
  • Labour’s Minimum Wage Proposal a Backward Step
    Democrats for Social Credit finance spokesperson Chris Leitch has attacked Labour’s proposals to increase the minimum wage labelling it ”a backward step for low and middle income earners”....
    Scoop politics | 31-07
  • Sealord applauds passing of Fisheries FCV Bill
    Sealord Group has welcomed the passing of the Fisheries (Foreign Charter Vessels) Amendment Bill as a move that will safeguard workers and protect New Zealand’s sustainable fishing reputation....
    Scoop politics | 31-07
  • Liam Butler interviews Hon David Cunliffe
    With older Kiwis comprising a growing proportion of New Zealand's population we all need to recognise the significant contribution they make to society - not only as taxpayers and consumers, but as employers, paid workers and volunteers....
    Scoop politics | 31-07
  • GC Star Supports Beyer
    Star of reality TV series The GC, Alby Waititi, has thrown his support behind Mana’s Te Tai Tonga candidate Georgina Beyer....
    Scoop politics | 31-07
  • New ACC Executive appointments announced
    ACC Chief Executive Scott Pickering today announced appointments to the ACC Executive Team effective from 1 September. The new Executive, which contains new roles and responsibilities, contains five members of the existing Executive and two new appointments....
    Scoop politics | 31-07
  • Ministry CEO Hides in Office for Award Ceremony
    Following this morning’s coverage of the extravagant expenditure by Pauline Winter, the CEO of the Ministry of Pacific Island Affairs, Porky the Taxpayers’ Union mascot visited the Ministry’s Wellington Office to present the Union’s first “Troughing...
    Scoop politics | 31-07
  • Students’ first-in-family policy needs support
    Free education for the first person in a family to undertake tertiary study is a creative, innovative and transformative proposal from New Zealand students, says TEU vice-president Sandra Grey....
    Scoop politics | 31-07
  • Fishing Bill a major step towards fixing industry problems
    The Maritime Union says the passing of a bill reforming the fishing industry is a major step in fixing serious problems....
    Scoop politics | 31-07
  • Waikato-Tainui marae to receive $15 million top up
    Waikato-Tainui Te Kauhanganui marae are set to receive a one-off grant worth more than $15 million. Following the call from Te Kauhanganui, sixty-six marae will receive a base grant of $150,000 and an additional per capita grant based on the...
    Scoop politics | 31-07
  • Outdoor Council Backs Fish and Game in Minister Smith Stoush
    A national outdoor recreation council has backed Fish and Game in the wake of an argument with Conservation Minister Nick Smith over the organisation's advocacy role for cleaning up New Zealand's rivers from a deteriorating state....
    Scoop politics | 31-07
  • Income Equality Aotearoa New Zealand Inc. – Closing the Gap
    Simon Bridges says increasing the minimum wage will cost us at least 6000 jobs, hurt businesses and reduce growth. Rubbish, says Peter Malcolm National Secretary of Income Equality Aotearoa New Zealand Inc....
    Scoop politics | 31-07
  • Call on Pauline Winter to Front up Or Resign
    Responding to the Fairfax report that taxpayers are footing the bill for the Ministry of Pacific Island Affairs’ Chief Executive and to fly to Auckland most weekends, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • Petition generates progress for new nurses
    Last week the New Zealand Nurses Organisation (NZNO) launched a petition to get a nurse entry to practice (NEtP) programme for every new graduate nurse. This week, and more than 7,000 signatures later, we are very pleased to hear the...
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • NZ Parliament backs media freedom in West Papua
    West Papua Action Auckland applauds the decision of the New Zealand Parliament to give its backing to genuine media freedom for local and international journalists in West Papua....
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • Wellington protest rally to march for Gaza
    “Marchers from Wellington Students for Justice in Palestine intend to lay memorials at the Rabin memorial in Harris Street during a protest rally on Saturday. The names of some child victims of the Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip will...
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte calls Dame Susan Devoy to resign
    Dame Susan Devoy has responded to my speech calling for racial equality by publicly condemning it as “grotesque and inflammatory"....
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • WW1 anniversary: Peace vigils on 4 August
    Monday, 4 August, is the 100th anniversary of the start of World War One, "the war to end all wars". Peace Movement Aotearoa, in association with Quakers, is coordinating nation-wide candle-lit vigils on 4 August, in conjunction with peace...
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • Making It Easier for Disabled Voters to Have Their Say
    The Electoral Commission is making it easier for disabled New Zealanders to enrol and vote, with the confirmation that telephone dictation voting will be in place for the 2014 general election....
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • AA welcomes lower drink-driving limit
    Lowering the adult drink driving limit is one good step forward in making our roads safer, says the Automobile Association. Parliament voted last night to reduce the blood alcohol limit to .05 for drivers aged 20 or over. The AA...
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • RSA welcomes Veterans Support Act
    The Royal New Zealand Returned and Services Association welcomes the passage of the Veterans Support Act into law tonight. RSA National President, Don McIver, says that while it has taken a long time to get to this point, and there...
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • Political debate Thursday July 31st at Whanau Centre
    Waipareira will host a political debate on Thursday at Whanau Centre, Henderson, starting at 7pm. Hosted by broadcaster Willie Jackson, candidates will be asked the tough questions about Whanau Ora, the future of the Maori Seats, Housing, Child Poverty...
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • They Can’t All Win Off the Race-Card
    “They can’t all play the race card and expect to win off it”, said MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Hone Harawira, following comments by ACT Leader Jamie Whyte, Conservative Leader Colin Craig, and NZ First Leader Winston...
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • New Zealanders Being Gouged by Electricity and Liquid Fuels
    New Zealand consumers of electricity are being price gouged to the tune of about $1.388 million while the companies pocket the profits, a new economic analysis released today by the Iwi Leaders Forum reveals....
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • Push For Gender Confusion In Schools
    Family First NZ is warning schools about an agenda to bring gender confusion in to schools in areas such as changing rooms, sports teams and school uniforms....
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • Labour work and wages policy good for working people
    The Maritime Union says Labour’s new policy on work and wages, announced today, is good for the working people of New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • Joint Statement on EU-New Zealand Partnership Agreement
    Joint Statement on EU-New Zealand Partnership Agreement on Relations and Cooperation (PARC) by High Representative for EU Foreign and Security Policy Catherine Ashton and New Zealand Foreign Minister Murray McCully...
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • Time to lift unliveable wage rates
    The Service and Food Workers Union has welcomed Labour’s determination to lift New Zealand’s unliveable wage rates. The Labour Party today announced their Work and Wages policy....
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • Judith Collins and Women’s Refuge – ‘Doing a Katie Bradford’
    In Rethinking’s latest blog; http://blog.rethinking.org.nz/2014/07/judith-collins-and-womens-refuge.html Kim Workman suggests that Ms Collins treatment of the Women’s Refuge in a recent Q and A interview, could spark a new slang term in the national lexicon – ‘Doing...
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • Independent candidate advocates monetary paradigm shift
    Waikanae veterinarian Dr Amanda Vickers is standing as an independent for the Otaki electorate, with a view to modernise monetary policy....
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • Review of Radiocommunications Act 1989
    The Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment (MBIE) has today published a discussion document reviewing New Zealand’s Radiocommunications Act 1989. The discussion document looks at issues including competition regulation, technical parameters on...
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • Unite Union welcomes Labour Party increase to minimum wage
    Unite Union welcomes the announcement today by the Labour Party to increase the minimum wage by $2 per hour by early 2015....
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • Taxing Struggling Families to Boost Bureaucrats Shameful
    Responding to Labour leader David Cunliffe’s announcement that a Labour Government would ensure public servants would receive at least the Living Wage, significantly more than their private sector counterparts, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director...
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • Labour reforms show commitment to tackling inequality
    The NZ Labour Party’s just-announced industrial relations agenda demonstrates a clear commitment to tackling the growing inequality in New Zealand and restore democracy to our workplaces, according to FIRST Union....
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • Debacle shows danger of contracting out public services
    The Public Service Association (PSA) says the Novopay debacle shows core public services are best provided in-house....
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • Public servants welcome Labour’s living wage announcement
    The Public Service Association (PSA) says Labour’s commitment to ensure all core public service workers are paid at least the living wage will be welcome news to thousands of hard working New Zealanders....
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • Commission urges politicians to stick to the major issues
    In the run up to the general election Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy is urging politicians to “do the right thing and stick to those major issues that will help make New Zealand a better place for all our...
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • Statement on behalf of Rochelle Crewe
    Rochelle Crewe has lived a life of anonymity. The tragic killing of her parents in 1970, when she was only 18 months old, has understandably been the subject of much media attention in this country in the four decades since....
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • All parties need to help save Maui’s dolphins
    Forest & Bird is urging all political parties to adopt the recommendations of scientists - and the International Whaling Commission - in order to save to save the Maui’s dolphin from extinction....
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • Navigating Our Future Conference: Leaders’ Dialogue
    As pre-election positioning heats up and the environment has emerged as a key issue, the Leaders’ Dialogue at EDS’s annual conference next week will be an opportunity to interrogate the main parties....
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • Labour’s policy promises a return to fairness at work
    Workers across New Zealand will benefit from the Labour Party’s work and wages policy, says the Engineering, Printing and Manufacturing Union. “Labour’s policy is a comprehensive package which will lift wages, lower unemployment, and build a...
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • Labour’s policies a step change for working people
    “After six long years of working life getting tougher in New Zealand workers have been given a real choice today with the announcement of Labour's Industrial Relations policy package,” CTU President Helen Kelly said....
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • Tear Fund Launches Emergency Appeal for Gaza
    As the death toll surpasses 1000 in Gaza, TEAR Fund has launched an appeal to help civilians caught up in the conflict between Israel and Palestine. TEAR Fund CEO and chairman of the NGO Disaster Relief Forum Ian McInnes said,...
    Scoop politics | 30-07
  • Democrats for Social Credit Party celebrates 60 years
    Monetary reformers from across New Zealand will celebrate the Democrats for Social Credit Party’s (DSC) 60th anniversary at its annual conference at Quality Hotel Elms in Christchurch this weekend....
    Scoop politics | 29-07
  • 100-Gun Salute to Commemorate Beginning of WW1
    The New Zealand Defence Force (NZDF), with WW100, New Zealand’s First World War centenary programme, will commemorate the beginning of the First World War for New Zealand next Monday, 4 August....
    Scoop politics | 29-07
  • Better care for transgender youth
    A fact sheet on ways to improve the wellbeing of transgender youth in New Zealand has been developed at the University of Auckland. A study team from the University’s Adolescent Health Research Group, has put forward recommendations, together with...
    Scoop politics | 29-07
  • Politicians Should Take Lead From Commonwealth Games Heroes
    Internet Party Calls on Politicians to Take Lead From Commonwealth Games Heroes The Internet Party is challenging other political parties not to turn back the clock to the old election campaigns where Kiwis are played off against other Kiwis. “No...
    Scoop politics | 29-07
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