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Creating Jobs for the Young…and not how you’d expect.

Written By: - Date published: 10:42 pm, August 20th, 2011 - 48 comments
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So we can safely predict this National govt will score it’s usual epic fail around youth unemployment. And we all know the reasons why this is such a critical issue, so I’m not going to re-hash them either. It’s just that both sides in this debate keep missing the crux of the matter… what is needed to create those crucial first career defining, work-habit forming steps in a young person’s working life.

Well there are only two ways for government to do it:

Directly step into the market with public sector entities like the NZR, Post Office and MoW of olden days. Sadly I think this powerful option has been stolen from us, at least in the near-term.

Or indirectly act through the private sector; which is the realistic option open to us. The type of job a young person steps into, with qualifications but little experience is entry-level by definition. The private sector can only support a limited number of such roles. No company owner can afford the cost or risk of having too many inexperienced staff with marginal productivity. Many SME owners understand the need to give young people their start in life; but even in ideal times, their business has a strict upper limit to it’s capacity to do so.

But the number of jobs is only one dimension of the job market. The rate at which they turn over is the other crucial parameter. Every time any person moves jobs, they are creating a new vacancy immediately behind them, a vacancy that will most likely be filled by someone looking for the next step in their career too. Which may well repeat as a chain reaction right down to the entry-level.

Now the this ’employment chain’ is stochastic, ie it’s impossible to predict in advance exactly what the sequence of ’employment movements/promotions’ in the chain will turn out to be. Some chains might be only one or two movements long, others might meander on almost indefinitely. Nor can the dynamics of it be predicted; some vacancies in might filled in days, others might take months. But clearly the more people frequently people jobs at any point in their career paths, the more probable jobs at the career entry-level will open up as a result.

In other words the high youth unemployment we are experiencing is not so much the consequence of low or zero growth, but relatively low levels of employee turnover at all levels. And right now the most ‘stuck’ workers of all are skilled technical and professional people over the age of 50.

There are several reasons for this. One is that we are the boomer generation and there’s just too damned many of us competing for too few promotion opportunities in workplaces that are too damned small. And we’re generally too competent and productive to waste on internal promotion into management anyhow. Moving to a new employer we face the huge hurdle that no-one wants to interview anyone over the age of 50. (Mainly because we’ve seen through all the varieties corporate bs already and don’t tolerate it very well; young kids are more pliable.)

And yet the scary fact is that fully half the skilled technical people in this country are over the age of 55 and will be mostly retired within 10-15 years. Ask any of them… there are simply not the young people coming through to replace that cohort of critical skills. (Not carefully: while unemployment is staggeringly high, employers constantly whine about a lack of skilled staff. This is why.)

These two critical problems of youth under-employment and skilled worker over-employment are directly linked. Governments could the fix the first problem by directly subsidising employers to take on entry-level workers; but thats like trying to blow air down straw with kink at the other end of it, no matter how hard you puff nothing much changes.

You get people moving through their careers by exploiting the ’employment-chain’ effect described above, and getting those ‘stuck’ older skilled workers moving again. Unblock the straw and it’s easy. Here’s just a few obvious ideas how:

Drop the insane 90 day ‘fire at will’ law. Whatever flimsy justification it ever had is utterly nuts when applied to mature, experienced workers. We’ve been working for 30 years ffs.. we have a substantial employment record on our CV that can be referenced. And at our late stage of life we are hugely averse to taking the risk of trying new job that doesn’t work out… bad enough for a 20yr old, catastrophic at 55.

Change the tax rules to encourage companies to create new senior’development’ roles in parallel with managment whose specific task is to plan and develop the technical capacity of their organisation and the wider industry.

Hugely beef up Industry Training Organisations; not just in terms of training apprentices but people in careers at ALL levels. Far more mandatory participation from the private sector; get senior people with decades of experience sitting around tables thrashing out Codes of Best Practise, new Standards and White Papers …alongside tertiary sector researchers and public sector regulators. It’s slow, frustrating, curse-making work, but you build your industry, you create people with capacity to take NZ to the world.

And some older folk are sick of working 50+ hour weeks with failing eyesight, or a memory that isn’t so sharp anymore. Generate more flexible options around Superannuation. Allow people to claim partial super from the age of 55 in return for working less than 40 hour weeks.

In return for this investment of public money you achieve three crucial things; build industry capacity, directly mitigate a looming skills shortage, and get the ’employment chain’ moving again… indirectly getting young people into those entry level jobs most of them are so keen to find.

48 comments on “Creating Jobs for the Young…and not how you’d expect.”

  1. Colonial Viper 1

    A great post RL, one which recognises the complexity of the problems we find ourselves in as a nation, problems which we need to be able to address right now if we are not to continue discarding our citizens on the scrap heap of the free market.

    Moving to a macroeconomic viewpoint I have a very simple suggestion – we must onshore GDP, and we must tap into the current wealth of the country to create employment.

    Government letting go hundreds of DoC workers, defence staff etc to join the unemployment scrap heap is madness.

    Sending dozens of rail jobs to China is madness.

    The Government found $1.2B to bail out SCF bond holders by clicking its fingers. It could have just as easily created 20,000 jobs* with that money, building infrastructure, working in conservation and establishing new capabilities across NZ.

    *I know a number of “shovel ready projects” ready to rock and roll just in my own small sphere of awareness.

  2. Gareth 2

    I also agree,
    It would definatly be a plus to enable people to semi retire or even and become eligle for partial super or even access their kiwi saver.
    We need to do more to promote apprenticeships and make it eaiser for employers to take them on.
    I was unique in that I did both a hours based (4 years) trade certicificate and the new (at the time) ito based National certificate. I can certainly say that the hours based training was far more valuable to me going forward as the National cert could be obtained in under 12 months so was not held in high esteem by employers.
    I would be in favour of a return to trade certs which encopassed the current Ito courses but with an hours based requirement alongside. Personally I learned far more working alongside experienced people day in day out that I ever did from the work books and Im sure thats true for alot of people that went through the apprenticeship system.

    As for possible solutions currently the govenment subsidises and promotes indusrty based traing through Ito’s or polytechs which are basically 12 month courses of limited value to an employer. Perhaps this money would be better spent heavily subsiding apprenticeships in the workplace for say the first year, which by then if the employerer is any good the apprentice will be a valuable member of staff and worth further investment.

    However we do it we need to do it quick as there will be a massive void as the current highly skilled workforce moves into retirement taking their knowledge with them.

    • Carol 2.1

      Having taught on vocational courses in the UK, I saw the value of the right kind of balance between on-the-job training and college-based learning. The UK had far more options for courses that involved guided work experience, than I have seen in Aussie or NZ. Some of these courses were pre-vocational and some lead to job qualifications. In NZ & Aussie there’s too much focus on academic-only courses for young people. This does not suit everyone & often just leads to encouraging young people to take on study in areas they have either already failed at, or find a turn-off…. and ultimately probability won’t increase their employability.

      Training on the job is crucial, but classroom learning can also provide a wider perspective and knowledge that enables people to adapt to the continual changes in the way businesses and work are done. The skills I use at now are vastly different from the ones I used at the beginning of my work life – a lot of the change is due to computerisation. But is necessary to have a workforce can can readily adapt to change rather than being resistant to it – you know, the old complaint about older people who say, why should they change the way they do things, the old way always worked fine for them.

  3. Carol 3

    This is a great plan RL. I agree with the idea of partial pensions & part-time work for us older workers.

    In my early 60s I now get a small amount of UK state pension & a bigger UK Teacher’s Pension: both are based on the money I paid into the schemes while I worked in the UK, so not as much as a UK person who had worked all their adult life.

    A few years back in NZ I took on part-time work in an area different to my main occupation – less stressful, but uses some of my skill set and is interesting to me. I do this job at the weekends, which many younger people prefer not to do – either they want to be socialising at weekends or have young families. I could live well enough on my pensions & weekend work, without the extra week-day contract work I often get. And I would be happy to have more of the week not working at this stage of my life.

    With regards to my weekend work, I also think there should be some flexibility in the kinds of qualifications & experience accepted for older workers wanting to shift into a part-time job that may be a little different from their main life career.

    • gareth williams 3.1

      What you are doing is irresponsible and part of the reason our country is up the gurgler – spending $8 billion a year on super.

      If you had actually made a success of yourself during your working years you wouldn’t need a cent of super from anywhere now.

      • RedLogix 3.1.1

        If you had actually made a success of yourself during your working years you wouldn’t need a cent of super from anywhere now.

        Sure you can shut down Superannutation if you like…. but I take it you would support doubling the minimum wage to say $40 per hour then?

      • Colonial Viper 3.1.2

        What a bizarre and thoughtless comment, gareth williams. A majority of retirees live on less than $500/week in hand.

        Do you think that we have a society where everyone can retire as millionaires, if they simply “made a success of themselves”?

        Wow what is the world you live in inside your head? What are you, nineteen?

      • Mary linzey 3.1.3

        This is such a wide of the mark comment about being able to save for retirement completely that I can only assume you are very young, inherited a lot of money, have never been made redundant, needed to change skills or lived through periods of rampant inflation followed by recession and no work. Lucky you Gareth.

      • Vicky32 3.1.4

        If you had actually made a success of yourself during your working years you wouldn’t need a cent of super from anywhere now.

        What a ridiculous elitist shite statement! It could be true (if at all) only of people (mostly men) who’d never had any breaks in employment, and who had pulled down the equivalent of $60 000 all their lives.

        • RedLogix 3.1.4.1

          I put some troll bait out for him; but it looks like he’s a gutless ‘hit and run’.

          • Carol 3.1.4.1.1

            Yes, And, as others have said, so wide of the mark in so many ways. Did he actually read what I said. I said I was largely getting a UK teachers’ pension. This was somethin I

            • Carol 3.1.4.1.1.1

              Ack. It posted itself while I was typing. The UK Teachers’ pension was either compulsory or the default position. I paid something into it as did the employer from each pay. It was something done in the UK to encourage savings for retirement – much like Kiwisaver, which I also have been paying some of my wages into. The small amount of UK state pension is calculated on the basis of how much I paid into National Insurance, but my UK state pension will be deducted from whatever I am entitled to for an NZ state retirement pension – so I’m actually saving NZ something there.

              I also have some superannuation in Aussie – compulsory for employers to pay a % of each pay towards an employee’s super – and everyone’s employer, however wealthy the employee, pays into a scheme. I bet there are few well-off Aussies who don’t claim the pension they are eligible for.

              But Gareth is also assuming I have no other savings. And what does he mean by “success”? I rate my years of hard work as a teacher as one of the things I’ve done that has contributed to societies. I found it rewarding, and, of course it doesn’t pay very high wages. What does he consider more of a success? A job that earns loads of money, even if it is destructive to society? eg making loads of money out of an industry that is socially destructive (eg Tobacco) or like what out dear leader did – getting rich on financial speculation? Property speculation?

              I also have done some other things I rate as successes, that earned little or no money, but that I feel have made a positive contribution.

              • McFlock

                That post being far more effort than Gutless Williams deserved, Carol.
                 
                On a different note, I actually like the idea of a 2nd part time job as long as it’s different enough from my 9-5. The downside is a) I like to sleep on the weekends; and b) I once worked 4 part time jobs at the same time – and schedulling was a nightmare! :)
                 

                • Carol

                  Accept my weekday contract work is usually not full time & there are times I am only working weekends…. so there are other times for sleeping or resting. I like having time to do other things on weekdays.

  4. M 4

    RL, excellent particularly the 90 day rule – I’m sure it’s stifling the job market. I’m scared to change jobs being 46 but at the moment am trying to cope with the frustration of a younger boss who can’t spell to save her life, thinks grammar is a relative and whose people skills are so completely in the toilet I wonder how this person manages to navigate life.

    It’s a shame that some of the hours over and above 40 per week for older workers trapped in the grind couldn’t be shared with other older, skilled umemployed workers whose frustration at being on the scrapheap must eventually turn to depression.

    One thing I have noticed though with younger workers is that some seem to expect everything at nanosecond speed when sometimes it’s just not going to happen that way and seem to resent any advice about anything outside their sphere of knowledge so I just sit back and watch the fun unfold because to be too vociferous is a waste of time and effort.

    • Colonial Viper 4.1

      There is a resistance amongst some young people to closely examine what they are doing and why. They are in for a tough next ten years as industrial energy depletion becomes more overt. Quite a few seem to think John Key is a good Prime Minister too.

    • Vicky32 4.2

      but at the moment am trying to cope with the frustration of a younger boss who can’t spell to save her life, thinks grammar is a relative

      Reminds me of a pamphlet I was given yesterday at St Lukes about bus changes in our area. This brochure must have been written by this woman, and not edited! :)

  5. Bill 5

    In other words; more jobs on offer by having fewer hours required to earn the same pay?

    That could have been done way back in the 60’s. Industry was ‘over productive’. We had everything ‘on a plate’ as it were. We could have moved to a four hour working day and satisfied our needs. But think of all that time people would have had on their hands? Hell, they might have gotten it into their heads that there were ways other than paid employment to gain a sense of validation. And then what?

    Business only makes things as a means for achieving its primary purpose; making money. And making money translates as power in the present set up. So to protect the ability to make money and the current arrangements of power, we got inbuilt obsolesence and fashionable ‘modern’ replacements for perfectly good ‘old fashioned’ products. And we got genuinely new products that were deliberately released in under-developed form to leave way for next years, ‘improvements’. (‘Improvements’ that could have been incorporated into the original product at the time of release.)

    Unemployment isn’t a problem…except for us. (And we don’t count.) Unemployment (or the threat of it) keeps wages down, workers compliant and profit margins up. And in a world where money is power…

    Unemployment will only become a problem if it results in scenarios unfolding that those in power cannot contain or control. Skill shortages in one country just don’t matter. (Production moves). Disintegrating social infrastructure (whether by a lack of skilled maintenance workers or whatever) doesn’t matter, as long as it is sufficient to serve existing industry.

    At the end of the day, jobs are a form of social control. Alongside unemployment, they allow those in power to generate more power. Meanwhile our energies are expended on gaining entry, or hanging on to often pointless activities, that merely act to concrete their position via the accumulation of money our jobs provide to them.

    Putting aside the historical resistence to the imposition of the job culture, we could still make things that lasted a lifetime. We could satisfy our material needs on a smidgen of the time we currently spend in paid employment.

    But the job culture is a conduit for (their) empowerment and (our) disempowerment. Nothing more. It doesn’t need the ‘fixes’ of the type proposed in your post. (Crucially, those who pull the strings would have nothing to gain by implementing your proposals)

    Unfortunately, the job culture is operating just fine and as intended as it exists right now.

    • RedLogix 5.1

      Bill,

      I’m not unsympathetic to what you are saying; but my post confined itself to the pragmatic rather than the fundamental.

      And at the same time I’d agree that my proposed solutions are not sufficient in their own right. The picture needs more work.

      • Bill 5.1.1

        Yeah Red. I acknowledge your post was focussed on ideas to make better ‘that which it is that we have right now’. Just…what about the framework within which ‘what we have’ resides?

        Your suggestions, although sensible and workable in an ‘all things being equal’ or neutral scenario, ignore the basic fact that all things are not equal or neutral; that vested interests are at play.

        And it’s Sunday 😉

  6. lefty 6

    These are good practical suggestions REDLOGIC.
    Many older workers have dreams that have been put on hold until retirement.
    These dreams may involve creative, business or community endevours that would provide part of an income but not enough security to give up a job for.
    Allowing people to claim partial super at an earlier age would unleash a group of experienced workers to follow their dreams and is likely to have unforseen consequences of the very best kind.
    This would be far more positive direction to take than the common neo liberal suggestion of raising the retirement age which would further entrench the difficulties caused by the baby boom bulge, world economic uncertainty, free trade agreements and lack of economic sovereignty.
    It also provides the opportunity to start building the type of economy required to meet the challenges of climate change and peak oil as it would free people and businesses to undertake activities that might be too risky otherwise.
    The cost of the extra super payments would likely be balanced against the decrease in benefits paid to young unemployed, the increase in new tax attracting enterprises and the removal of a barrier to the intergenerational transfer of running the country.

  7. Tangled up in blue 7

    Change the tax rules to allow companies to encourage companies to create new ‘development’ roles, senior technical roles in parallel with managment whose specific task is to plan and develop the technical capacity of their organisation and the wider industry.

    I like this idea.

    • mik e 7.1

      Tuipoo Well Labour were dong this before the last election and National canned the funding completely for 2years only to reinstate a similar program with half the funding re branding it a purely political move.So they buggered up the continuity that would have started producing more jobs earlier and modernizing our economy typical bean brained bean counters

  8. Rodel 8

    RL Good post..This suggestion :
    “and some older folk are sick of working 50+ hour weeks with failing eyesight, or a memory that isn’t so sharp anymore. Generate more flexible options around Superannuation. Allow people to claim partial super from the age of 55 in return for working less than 40 hour weeks.”
    was made to me some years ago by a chairman of a national party, except he thought those over 50 in lower paying jobs, kids left home etc. would accept a pension as long as they weren’t earning, leaving vacancies for younger job starters to get a foot on the employment ladder. Over 50’s earning good money wouldn’t bother.Bit like Australian system I believe but kicking in about age 50.

  9. I’m against throwing taxation at subsidising private sector jobs when the private sector is failing globally. This can only mean more income transfers from poor to rich which should be going into social investment.
    Much better is to nationalise key sectors of the economy, energy (stop stupid fake competition between SEOs and put them under workers control).
    Put Cullen fund and Kiwisaver funds into infrastructure (Rail, urban transport etc) creating thousands of public sector jobs.
    Re-nationalise BNZ and make it a state bank that can generate funds for economic development rather than profits for its private shareholders on the backs of homeless NZers.
    I would nationalise land with iwi given rights to manage Treaty settlement tribal land and F&S in perpetuity. If the farming sector truly is the backbone of the nation let it prove it minus capital gains derived from ‘unearned increment’.
    All of this would require a massive shift in the Labour Party which is currently more concerned with not offending global capital and it FTAs etc than workers needs. But its a program that would win support from the majority of NZers.
    Time to stop running scared from the tiny global boss class that continues to pretend that it has clothes.

  10. Afewknowthetruth 10

    The writer misses the whole point.

    The current rise in unemployment is a symptom of the collapse of outdated economic and inappropriate arrangements predicated on the conversion of fossil fuels into waste and the creation of money out of thin air.

    Neither will be possible for much longer, and any ‘solution’ based on more of the same or attempting to revive past strategies is doomed to failure.

    Only a radical rethink of everything will ‘save us’. But people simply refuse to become informed or to abandon redundant paradigms.

    Therefore, there will be little hope until the present system collapses. And not much after that, I’m afraid.

    ‘Three paths to near-term human extinction
    Sat, Aug 20, 2011
    Uncategorized
    About a decade ago I realized we were putting the finishing touches on our own extinction party, with the party probably over by 2030. During the intervening period I’ve seen nothing to sway this belief, and much evidence to reinforce it. Yet the protests, ridicule, and hate mail reach a fervent pitch when I speak or write about the potential for near-term extinction of Homo sapiens.

    “We’re different.”
    “We’re special.”
    “We’re too intelligent.”
    “We’ll find a way out. We always do.”

    We’re humans, and therefore animals. Like all life, we’re special. Like all organisms, we’re susceptible to overshoot. Like all organisms, we will experience population decline after overshoot.

    Let’s take stock of our current predicaments, beginning with one of several ongoing processes likely to cause our extinction. Then I’ll point out the good not quite so bad news.

    We’re headed for extinction via global climate change

    It’s hotter than it used to be, but not as hot as it’s going to be. The political response to this now-obvious information is to suspend the scientist bearing the bad news. Which, of course, is no surprise at all: As Australian climate scientist Gideon Polya points out, the United States must cease production of greenhouse gases within 3.1 years if we are to avoid catastrophic runaway greenhouse. I think Polya is optimistic, and I don’t think Obama’s on-board with the attendant collapse of the U.S. industrial economy……….’

    Go to the NBL site to keep reading. But only if you want to become informed.

    • Colonial Viper 10.1

      There’s lots of work to be done preparing for energy depletion.

      Young people could have jobs laying down railway tracks, renewing power grid infrastructure, building efficient low energy community centres and housing, creating community gardens.

  11. randal 11

    creating jobs for youth…dont make me laugh.
    this is just creating jobs for nationals pets to earn some key money therapising and bossing round kids on the dole.
    its called patronage and this giveaway acomplishes nothing except buying goods for nationals suckasses.

  12. randal 12

    This is just more national party blather.
    The only jobs being created here are patronage jobs for national party faithfull to boss around kids on the dole.

  13. Treetop 13

    Most young people who enter their working life usually choose one of the following:
    1. Do nothing.
    2. Experiment in jobs.
    3. Know what they want to do e.g. trade, uni, IT.
    4. Do what their parent/s suggest.

    I think that a teen sets themself up for their working life when they first enter college and that this is consolidated at NCEA level 1 – 3. Taking the right courses would not be a waste of learning and testing is required to find out the best career path to take.

    In order to achieve success in a choosen feild a person needs to be interested and have the talent/ability to reach their goal. Sometimes a person can end up doing something which they initally appear to not even consider when it is established that they have aptitude for that job.

  14. randal 14

    treetop. more blather.
    when there is work then the last hand will get hired.
    all the rest is free market bullshit to disguise the fact that most jobs have been globalised elsewhere.
    smart intelligent kids will always get jobs but the rest are at the mercy of idiotes who think they know best but upon reflection are just minders for their masters.

    • Treetop 14.1

      I do not dispute that there is no work and this is across the board. All that can be done at secondary school is to get people work ready and to make education as enjoyable as you can.

  15. randal 15

    okay, so what exactly does “work ready” mean and what qualifies someone to make that judgement?

    • Vicky32 15.1

      okay, so what exactly does “work ready” mean and what qualifies someone to make that judgement?

      That’s a very interesting question! It’s come up a lot in the context of people with disabilities and those on SB and IB…

      • terryg 15.1.1

        Indeed it is Vicky32, and one fraught with difficulty.

        On an unrelated note, have you looked at LPrent’s post “The decades of consequences” yet?

        Please do, then post your thoughts. The video does an excellent job of summarising the actual state of the climate, without relying on any complex science at all (the maps of the USA are utterly brilliant).

        Please, please watch it. Its a much better explanation than any I could ever come up with.

        regards,
        Terry

    • Treetop 15.2

      Carol’s above comment (see 2.1) is a flexible model I agree with to get teens work ready. As for qualifying someone to make a judgement, I would look at the results of the learning as identifying a skill base and then building on it.

  16. randal 16

    okay but we were talking about young people.

  17. Jum 17

    The most scary thought is always: if the government knows how to create new jobs for the unemployed people and they are not doing that, then what is their real agenda for deliberately forcing hundreds’o’thousands to remain jobless?

    Whatever the answer is we won’t like it if we have any sense of societal responsibility to our fellow Kiwis and any thought of future ownership of all the other valuable assets sitting around New Zealand just waiting for the highwaymen to plunder.

  18. A couple of thoughts (based on my knowledge of a few specific situations)
    1) I know a young lady, currently working 0.6 FTE within a DHB, 0.6 FTE for a hauora – the reason? She wants to pay her mortgage off quickly (the Kiwi mindset of owning property = good)
    2) I know another lady who works 0.6 FTE for a DHB and another 60 hours per week running a business she has bought.
    Both, for very valid reasons, are in effect ‘stealing’ jobs that could be available for others.
     
    I agree there are many specific, urgent projects that need addressing. The right won’t like to acknowledge this, but if you spend up front you will minimise expenditure later.

    • Gosman 18.1

      Who are these people ‘stealing’ the job from again?

      Surely the owner of the job is the employer, who has the right to decide who does or doesn’t do the role.

      But no, apparently it is you on the left of the political spectrum who decide who should be doing a job.

  19. Gosman 19

    Have you got any evidence to support the view that the 90 Day trial period is causing 50 + employees not to bother moving jobs in any statistically significant manner or are you just postulating this out of thin air?

    • marsman 19.1

      Have you or John Key got any evidence that the 90 day fire at will ‘trial period’ reduces unemployment?

    • RedLogix 19.2

      I am part of the demographic in question Gos. I have an excellent network of colleagues in my industry… we talk.

      • Gosman 19.2.1

        So only anecdotal evidence then. I have anecdotal evidence that the 90 trial period is working. Somehow I don’t think you’d accept that as persuassive enough though. Curious then that you expect others to accept your anecdotal evidence.

        • Colonial Viper 19.2.1.1

          Of course the 90 day trial period is working – for bad employers.

          Anecdotal evidence is critical – it provides a basis for launching a more formal and thorough examination.

          You would support that then eh?

        • lprent 19.2.1.2

          One of the criticisms leveled at the 90 day bill both here and elsewhere before during and after its progress under urgency through parliament was that it did not have any provision for measuring its effectiveness. There were no studies. There is no data collection of any statistics. Apart from a useless anecdotal study that the DoL did after the act went in, there has been no systematic followup to find out what the effect of the act was.

          So there cannot be anything other than anecdotal evidence because there is no data collected that would allow anything better. Perhaps you should direct your attention toward the minister (Kate Wilkinson) and government who allowed a policy to be put in based on nothing more than what looks like a religious faith?

          • Jim Nald 19.2.1.2.1

            Minister Kate, Minister Kate
            you make employment policy without data and evidence
            and ask us to believe in your policy so much that
            soon we won’t have to buy a one-way ticket to Oz
            but we’ll just walk on water to cross the Tasman Sea

        • RedLogix 19.2.1.3

          So if you are going to discount anecdotal evidence Gos (and I’ll make certain to remind you of this anytime you attempt to introduce any in future) then maybe we can go with a little basic deduction.

          If an employer is willing to pay $100k++ for my services… that role was so valuable to the employer that the 90 day rule is irrelevant to whether it was created or not.

          Also from an employers perspective the 90 day rule adds little value because he’s got a 30 year CV and employment record to look at that is by far the best predictor of my performance.

          The that downside risk of being capriciously dismissed to the employee has obviously far more serious consequences for the older worker than someone at the beginning of their career. By the time you are that age you have significant responsibilities like mortgages and wider family to take care of.

          The absolute last thing you need at that age is to change jobs and not have it work out simply because some psychotic arse of a middle manager didn’t like your face. Getting to an interview is a challenge enough without that kind of setback.

          Logically there only substantial downsides to the employee, while it’s very hard to see any upside to either party.

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  • Health chickens coming home to roost as Dunedin loses right to train doctor...
    News today that Dunedin Hospital has lost orthopaedic training accreditation is a major blow and proves the Government’s prevarication is having devastating consequences, Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette King says. “Losing orthopaedic advanced training is serious. There is a knock on… ...
    2 days ago
  • $74,000 quarterly rise shows crisis out of control
    New figures out today showing Auckland house prices have spiked by a massive $74,000 in the past quarter is further evidence the city’s housing crisis has spiralled out of control, Labour’s “In spite of constant announcements and photo opportunities from… ...
    2 days ago
  • Democracy for Nauru now
    Murray McCully must send the strongest possible message to the Nauruan Government that New Zealand does not condone its actions given the disturbing developments there, Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer says. “Right now we are seeing Nauru stripped of… ...
    2 days ago
  • Recovery needs more than a rebrand
    Today’s announcement of new governance arrangements for Canterbury seems to be nothing more than a fresh coat of paint on the same old approach, says Labour’s Canterbury Earthquake Recovery spokesperson Ruth Dyson. “The Canterbury Recovery has been too slow, with… ...
    2 days ago
  • Copper decision a victory for status quo, not Kiwi households
    New Zealanders hoping for cheaper copper broadband will be disappointed by the Commerce Commission’s latest decision in the long running saga to determine the price of copper, Labour’s ICT spokesperson Clare Curran says. “In an apparent attempt to appease everyone,… ...
    2 days ago
  • It’s time for hard decisions in the Bay
     The Ruataniwha dam project is turning into a huge white elephant as the economics fail to stack up, says Labour’s Water spokesperson Meka Whaitiri.  “Ruataniwha simply doesn’t make economic sense when you look at other major irrigation schemes around the… ...
    2 days ago
  • More testing won’t lift student achievement
    Hekia Parata’s latest plan to subject school students to even more testing and assessment won’t do anything to lift the educational achievement of the kids who are struggling, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “New Zealand school students are already… ...
    2 days ago
  • Bad week for NZ economy gets worse
    The bad news for the New Zealand economy got worse this morning with the 8th successive drop in dairy prices at this morning’s global dairy auction, again exposing the absence of any Plan B from the National Government, Labour’s Finance… ...
    2 days ago
  • System failing to protect women and children from family violence
    Last week we called for mandatory child safety investigations in domestic violence cases. This came after the coronial inquiry into the deaths of Bradley and Ellen Livingstone and the verdict in the trial of the west Auckland boys charged with… ...
    GreensBy Jan Logie MP
    3 days ago
  • Backers banking on social bonds cash?
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    3 days ago
  • Plastic Free July
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    GreensBy Denise Roche MP
    3 days ago
  • State house sell off Bill gives extraordinary powers
    The Government is about to give Ministers extraordinary powers to take direct personal control of selling state houses, exempting Ministers from normal legal requirements and leaving the sale process wide open for corruption, Labour's Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. The… ...
    3 days ago
  • Cash for charter schools, mould for state schools
    At a time when state schools are struggling in old, cold, mouldy buildings and can barely make ends meet, the National Government is shovelling cash at charter schools which aren’t even spending the funding on kids’ education, Labour’s Education spokesperson… ...
    3 days ago
  • New Zealand needs a wise response to climate change
    Today in Parliament I got to hear from a group of New Zealanders who are concerned for the future of our country. Called Wise Response, the group is a broad coalition of academics, engineers, lawyers, artists, sportspeople and others who… ...
    GreensBy Russel Norman MP
    3 days ago
  • No alternative as waste scheme trashed
    Nick Smith must explain how he is going to prevent contamination of New Zealand’s ground and water with liquid and hazardous waste after scrapping the only monitoring scheme and offering no replacement, says Labour’s Environment Spokesperson Megan Woods. “From today,… ...
    3 days ago
  • Flawed system rates death traps as safe
    ACC Minister Nikki Kaye needs to come clean about what really lies behind the reclassification of 18 vehicles in her new motor vehicle registration system introduced today, Labour’s ACC spokesperson Sue Moroney says. "New Zealanders deserve the truth about the… ...
    3 days ago
  • Tiwai Smelter and 800 workers left in limbo
     Workers at Tiwai smelter and the people of Southland have once again been left in limbo over their future in the ongoing debacle over whether the plant stays open, says Labour’s Leader Andrew Little.  “It’s not good enough that after two years of… ...
    3 days ago
  • New twist in state house sell-off saga
    The Government has opened the door to buyers of state houses simply being landlords and not required to provide social services, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. The Prime Minister said at his post-Cabinet press conference buyers would not “have… ...
    3 days ago
  • Government fees will hit charities hard
    National’s decision to ignore the concerns of charities will see the voluntary sector face hundreds of thousands of dollars in new costs if the Policing (Cost Recovery) Amendment Bill passes, says Labour's Community and Voluntary Sector spokesperson Poto Williams. “National’s… ...
    4 days ago
  • Four out of ten for Simon’s Bridges
    The Transport Authority’s decision to fund only four of the 10 bridges promised in National’s shameless Northland by-election bribe is a huge embarrassment for Transport Minister Simon Bridges, Labour’s Transport spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “After one by-election poll showed they… ...
    4 days ago
  • Falling consents adding to Auckland housing woes
    Falling numbers of building consents being issued in Auckland will add to the city’s housing shortfall and fuel skyrocketing house prices, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford “The Productivity Commission found there was a shortfall of around 32,000 houses by the… ...
    4 days ago
  • So Mr English, do you have a plan?
    DIpping confidence about jobs, wages and shrinking exports are highlighting the lack of a plan from the government to diversify the economy and build sustainable growth, Grant Robertson  Labour’s Finance Spokesperson said. " Data released over the last week… ...
    4 days ago
  • Serious risks to tenants and assets in sell-off
    Overseas evidence shows there are serious risks around the Government's plan to sell off state houses to social housing providers, Opposition Leader Andrew Little says. “In the Netherlands – where community housing providers supply the majority of social housing –… ...
    4 days ago
  • Land of milk and money
    Kiwi families are paying over the top prices for their milk and someone is creaming off big profits, says Labour’s Consumer Affairs spokesperson David Shearer. “In 2011 the Government told us high New Zealand milk prices were a natural result… ...
    6 days ago
  • MoBIE largesse doesn’t stop with TVs and hair-straighteners
    The number of MoBIE staff earning more than $150,000 has risen 23 per cent in just a year, Labour’s Economic Development Spokesperson David Clark says. Documents obtained from the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment show there are now nearly… ...
    6 days ago
  • English wants to flog state houses to Aussies
    Bill English’s admission that he would sell hundreds of New Zealand’s state houses to the Australians is the latest lurch in the Government’s stumbling, half-baked housing policy, Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “Bill English should face reality and admit his… ...
    1 week ago
  • Exports continue to fall as Government fails to diversify
    The Government quickly needs a plan to diversify our economy after new figures show that exports are continuing to fall due to the collapse in dairy exports, Labour's Finance Spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “Dairy exports fell 28 per cent compared… ...
    1 week ago
  • Government inaction leads to blurring of roles
    The Treasury wouldn’t have had to warn the Reserve Bank to stick to its core functions if the Government had taken prompt and substantial measures to rein in skyrocketing Auckland house prices, Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “The problems… ...
    1 week ago
  • Courthouse closures hitting regions
    The Government’s decision to shut down up to eight regional courthouses, some supposedly only temporarily for seismic reasons, looks unlikely to be reversed, Labour’s Justice spokesperson Jacinda Ardern says.“The move has hit these regions hard, but appears to be a… ...
    1 week ago
  • A Victory for Te Tiriti o Waitangi
    This week my partner, who has a number of professions, was doing an archaeological assessment for a District Council. He showed me the new rules around archaeologists which require them to demonstrate “sufficient skill and competency in relation to Māori… ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty MP
    1 week ago
  • Tough bar set for Ruataniwha dam
     Today’s final decision by the Tukituki Catchment Board of Inquiry is good news for the river and the environment, says Labour’s Water spokesperson Meka Whaitiri. “Setting a strict level of dissolved nitrogen in the catchment’s waters will ensure that the… ...
    1 week ago
  • Minister for Women and National missing the mark – part two
    The Minister for Women was in front of the select committee yesterday answering questions about her plans for women. Some useful context is that we used to have a Pay and Employment Equity Unit within the then Department of Labour… ...
    GreensBy Jan Logie MP
    1 week ago
  • Lavish penthouse spend confirms culture of extravagance
    At the same time thousands of New Zealanders are being locked out of the property market, the Government is spending up on a lavish New York penthouse for its diplomats, Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer says. News that taxpayers… ...
    1 week ago
  • Māori Television exodus cause for concern
    The shock departure of yet another leading journalist from the Native Affairs team raises further concern the Board and Chief Executive are dissatisfied with the team’s editorial content, says Labour’s Māori Development spokesperson Nanaia Mahuta. “Annabelle Lee is an experienced… ...
    1 week ago
  • Million-plus car owners to pay too much ACC
    More than a million car owners will pay higher ACC motor vehicle registration than necessary from July, Labour’s ACC spokesperson Sue Moroney says. “During a select committee hearing this morning it was revealed that car owners would have been charged… ...
    1 week ago
  • Bill will restore democracy to local councils
    A new Labour Member’s Bill will restore democracy to local authorities and stop amalgamations being forced on councils. Napier MP Stuart Nash’s Local Government Act 2002 (Greater Local Democracy) Bill will be debated by Parliament after being pulled from the… ...
    1 week ago
  • Minister for Women again misses the mark – part one
    Yesterday I asked the Minister for Women about the government’s poor performance on it’s own target of appointing women to 45% of state board positions. I challenged why she’d put out a media release celebrating progress this year when the… ...
    GreensBy Jan Logie MP
    1 week ago
  • Banks enter Dragon’s Den in pitch for Government’s mental health experi...
    Overseas banks and their preferred providers were asked to pitch their ideas for bankrolling the Government’s social bonds scheme to a Dragon’s Den-style panel, Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette King says. Dragon’s Den was a reality television series where prospective ‘entrepreneurs’… ...
    1 week ago
  • Global Mode bullying won’t stop people accessing content
    It’s disappointing that strong-arm tactics from powerful media companies have meant Global Mode will not get its day in court. Today a settlement was reached terminating the Global Mode service, developed in New Zealand by ByPass Network Services and used… ...
    GreensBy Gareth Hughes MP
    1 week ago
  • More questions – why was the Former National Party President involved wit...
    Today in Parliament Murray  McCully said the reason Michelle Boag was involved in 2011 in the Saudi farm scandal was in her capacity as a member of the New Zealand Middle East Business Council. The problem with that answer is… ...
    1 week ago
  • Minister must explain Maori TV interference
    Te Ururoa Flavell must explain why he told Maori TV staff all complaints about the CEO must come to him – months before he became the Minister responsible for the broadcaster, Labour’s Broadcasting Spokesperson Clare Curran says. “Sources have told… ...
    1 week ago
  • KiwiSaver takes a hammering after the end of kick-start
    National seems hell bent on destroying New Zealand’s saving culture given today’s news that there has been a drop in new enrolments for KiwiSaver, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson.  “New enrolments for the ANZ Investments KiwiSaver scheme have plunged… ...
    1 week ago
  • Straight answers needed on CYF role
    The Government needs to explain the role that Child, Youth and Family plays in cases where there is evidence that family violence was flagged as a concern, Labour’s Children’s spokesperson Jacinda Arden says. “The fact that CYF is refusing to… ...
    1 week ago
  • Prime Minister confuses his political interests with NZ’s interest
    The Prime Minister’s statement in Parliament yesterday that a Minister who paid a facilitation payment to unlock a free trade agreement would retain his confidence is an abhorrent development in the Saudi sheep scandal, Opposition leader Andrew Little says.  ...
    1 week ago
  • #raisethequota
    Last Saturday was World Refugee Day. I was privileged to spend most of my day with the amazing refugee communities in Auckland. Their stories have been inspiring and reflect the ‘can-do’ Kiwi spirit, even though they come from all different… ...
    GreensBy Denise Roche MP
    2 weeks ago
  • Dairy conversions causing more pollution than ever, report shows
    The Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment (PCE) released two reports on freshwater quality and management last Friday. The water quality report shows that dairy conversions are hurting water quality and says that despite great efforts with fencing and planting, large… ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty MP
    2 weeks ago
  • Employers want urgent action on health and safety
    Moves by National to water down health and safety reforms have been slammed by employers – the very group the Government claims is pushing for change, says Labour’s spokesperson for Labour Relations Iain Lees-Galloway. “The Employers and Manufacturers’ Association has… ...
    2 weeks ago

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