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		<title>By: The Standard 2.01: Undermining ACC</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/ctu-rips-nats-acc-policy/comment-page-2/#comment-79213</link>
		<dc:creator>The Standard 2.01: Undermining ACC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 03:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Their motivation is simple: National knows Kiwis won&#8217;t support privatisation if it means higher premiums and reduced cover, but if all they hear on ACC is National&#8217;s cynical PR about taxpayer funds being wasted on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Their motivation is simple: National knows Kiwis won&#8217;t support privatisation if it means higher premiums and reduced cover, but if all they hear on ACC is National&#8217;s cynical PR about taxpayer funds being wasted on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ACCSUX</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/ctu-rips-nats-acc-policy/comment-page-2/#comment-78385</link>
		<dc:creator>ACCSUX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Swampy
July 17, 2008 at 11:54 pm

I&#039;m just interested for someone to tell me why it is the employer&#039;s responsibility to pay for ACC cover for their employees.
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Hi Swampy..ACCSUX HERE  .  Employers do not pay Acc levies for you..
they are paying these levies so they can not be held accountable when they are negligent ,and  make there workers do dangerous things.. AND THERE WORKERS GET HURT... The bad bosses pay Acc levies to cover them FROM EVER BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE..   They are COVERED...
while the good bosses are forced to pay Acc levies to cover the extra costs incurred in accidents , in dangerous work places..
The Acc levies your boss pays does not cover you.. it covers the business you work for.. your bosses... the negligent..  THEY CAN NEVER BE SUED ,, HELD ACCOUNTABLE..
No different to the Rego levies.. the guy that hit me, HEAD ON , ON MY HARLEY , HE WAS SPEEDING OVERTAKING HEAD ON INTO ME , DANGEROUS DRIVING...hE IS COVERED FOR LIFE ,, YET I GOT AND GET NO COVER... 
HE  paid his Acc levies and insurance to cover him,, not the person he hit..He is automatically guaranteed he can never be held accountable for his negligence..
AND I GET NOTHING BECAUSE OF DISCRIMINATING ACC ACTS.. AND HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS..

 US GUYS THAT GOT THE ACC COVERED ADD BANNED ARE NOT COVERED..
IT WAS FOUND TO BA A LIE.. AND A 5 MILLON $ BRIBE TO KEEP PROTESTERS OUT OF THE NEWS AND OFF TV.... 

YET I ARE STILL BEING FORCED TO PAY IN TO ACC.. AND I STILL GET NO COVER..
So i are protesting these scum personally..

The ACC ACT  TAKES MY RIGHTS AND COVERS THE GUILTY FOR LIFE AUTOMATICLY..  

BUT HEY nATIONAL STARTED THIS CRAP WITH CHANGES TO THE ACC ACT,, AND LABOUR HAS JUST SAT ON THE FENCE OVER IT TOO,, FOR YEARS..
ACCSUX NOT COVERED...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swampy<br />
July 17, 2008 at 11:54 pm</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just interested for someone to tell me why it is the employer&#8217;s responsibility to pay for ACC cover for their employees.<br />
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Hi Swampy..ACCSUX HERE  .  Employers do not pay Acc levies for you..<br />
they are paying these levies so they can not be held accountable when they are negligent ,and  make there workers do dangerous things.. AND THERE WORKERS GET HURT&#8230; The bad bosses pay Acc levies to cover them FROM EVER BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE..   They are COVERED&#8230;<br />
while the good bosses are forced to pay Acc levies to cover the extra costs incurred in accidents , in dangerous work places..<br />
The Acc levies your boss pays does not cover you.. it covers the business you work for.. your bosses&#8230; the negligent..  THEY CAN NEVER BE SUED ,, HELD ACCOUNTABLE..<br />
No different to the Rego levies.. the guy that hit me, HEAD ON , ON MY HARLEY , HE WAS SPEEDING OVERTAKING HEAD ON INTO ME , DANGEROUS DRIVING&#8230;hE IS COVERED FOR LIFE ,, YET I GOT AND GET NO COVER&#8230;<br />
HE  paid his Acc levies and insurance to cover him,, not the person he hit..He is automatically guaranteed he can never be held accountable for his negligence..<br />
AND I GET NOTHING BECAUSE OF DISCRIMINATING ACC ACTS.. AND HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS..</p>
<p> US GUYS THAT GOT THE ACC COVERED ADD BANNED ARE NOT COVERED..<br />
IT WAS FOUND TO BA A LIE.. AND A 5 MILLON $ BRIBE TO KEEP PROTESTERS OUT OF THE NEWS AND OFF TV&#8230;. </p>
<p>YET I ARE STILL BEING FORCED TO PAY IN TO ACC.. AND I STILL GET NO COVER..<br />
So i are protesting these scum personally..</p>
<p>The ACC ACT  TAKES MY RIGHTS AND COVERS THE GUILTY FOR LIFE AUTOMATICLY..  </p>
<p>BUT HEY nATIONAL STARTED THIS CRAP WITH CHANGES TO THE ACC ACT,, AND LABOUR HAS JUST SAT ON THE FENCE OVER IT TOO,, FOR YEARS..<br />
ACCSUX NOT COVERED&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Standard 2.01: CTU critiques National&#8217;s employment policy</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/ctu-rips-nats-acc-policy/comment-page-2/#comment-76333</link>
		<dc:creator>The Standard 2.01: CTU critiques National&#8217;s employment policy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] week the Council of Trade Unions issued a devastating point-by-point critique of National&#8217;s ACC policy. Now they&#8217;ve followed up with an excellent and surprisingly [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Swampy</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/ctu-rips-nats-acc-policy/comment-page-2/#comment-73210</link>
		<dc:creator>Swampy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Swampy - Ken Douglas a communist? He&#039;s on the board of Air New Zealand for crying out loud. No real communist would be associated with such a bourgeois reactionary.&quot;


LOL. He was appointed by his friends the Labour Government to that board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Swampy &#8211; Ken Douglas a communist? He&#8217;s on the board of Air New Zealand for crying out loud. No real communist would be associated with such a bourgeois reactionary.&#8221;</p>
<p>LOL. He was appointed by his friends the Labour Government to that board.</p>
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		<title>By: IrishBill</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/ctu-rips-nats-acc-policy/comment-page-2/#comment-72877</link>
		<dc:creator>IrishBill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, they stopped serving babies in Cuba in  about &#039;98 and the commies use the CTU&#039;s luxury yacht more than the jet (unless it&#039;s pressing business).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, they stopped serving babies in Cuba in  about &#8217;98 and the commies use the CTU&#8217;s luxury yacht more than the jet (unless it&#8217;s pressing business).</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/ctu-rips-nats-acc-policy/comment-page-2/#comment-72874</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Swampy - Ken Douglas a communist? He&#039;s on the board of Air New Zealand for crying out loud. No real communist would be associated with such a bourgeois reactionary.

Pretty lame that the best argument you can come up with is calling someone a &quot;communist&quot;. How is that even an insult?

Rob - From memory, the NDU gave some support to the truckers&#039; cause by calling for talks on road-user charges, as did the Workers&#039; Party (albeit from an anti-capitalist perspective). It doesn&#039;t sound like you really understand that unions are employees&#039; associations, not contractors&#039; or business associations.

Meanwhile, all those communists in the CTU are fretting about the vast profits they will lose if ACC is privatised. It will mean an end to flying to Cuba in the CTU private jet &quot;Stalinista&quot; for conferences about reducing choice and eating babies while dining on foie gras and caviar. Idiots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swampy &#8211; Ken Douglas a communist? He&#8217;s on the board of Air New Zealand for crying out loud. No real communist would be associated with such a bourgeois reactionary.</p>
<p>Pretty lame that the best argument you can come up with is calling someone a &#8220;communist&#8221;. How is that even an insult?</p>
<p>Rob &#8211; From memory, the NDU gave some support to the truckers&#8217; cause by calling for talks on road-user charges, as did the Workers&#8217; Party (albeit from an anti-capitalist perspective). It doesn&#8217;t sound like you really understand that unions are employees&#8217; associations, not contractors&#8217; or business associations.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, all those communists in the CTU are fretting about the vast profits they will lose if ACC is privatised. It will mean an end to flying to Cuba in the CTU private jet &#8220;Stalinista&#8221; for conferences about reducing choice and eating babies while dining on foie gras and caviar. Idiots.</p>
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		<title>By: higherstandard</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/ctu-rips-nats-acc-policy/comment-page-2/#comment-72854</link>
		<dc:creator>higherstandard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question about unionisation of truck drivers Lynn - I have no idea but did a quick search in google to find out the commentary I found while not an answer is an interesting read from a site I would have thought should provide a fairly left of centre perspective.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/jul2008/newz-j10.shtml
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question about unionisation of truck drivers Lynn &#8211; I have no idea but did a quick search in google to find out the commentary I found while not an answer is an interesting read from a site I would have thought should provide a fairly left of centre perspective.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/jul2008/newz-j10.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/jul2008/newz-j10.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/ctu-rips-nats-acc-policy/comment-page-2/#comment-72846</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly why would the union movement be interested in individual employers welfare? 

The goods still have to be shipped, presumably the inefficient and badly run firms will succumb to the market. The efficient ones will continue to employ drivers. That is how things are meant to operate in an efficient market, especially when responding to economic shocks.

In this case the road user charges are there to pay for the roads. As far as I can see, the trucking firms are trying to leverage their way out of paying their share.

As an aside, I was under the understanding that there wasn&#039;t a lot of unionization amongst truck drivers. I&#039;d be interested to hear if that is the case or not.

So as I said - why do you think that the union movement should be interested?

Edit: Looks to me like you are simply spinning a irrelevant diversion away from the topic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly why would the union movement be interested in individual employers welfare? </p>
<p>The goods still have to be shipped, presumably the inefficient and badly run firms will succumb to the market. The efficient ones will continue to employ drivers. That is how things are meant to operate in an efficient market, especially when responding to economic shocks.</p>
<p>In this case the road user charges are there to pay for the roads. As far as I can see, the trucking firms are trying to leverage their way out of paying their share.</p>
<p>As an aside, I was under the understanding that there wasn&#8217;t a lot of unionization amongst truck drivers. I&#8217;d be interested to hear if that is the case or not.</p>
<p>So as I said &#8211; why do you think that the union movement should be interested?</p>
<p>Edit: Looks to me like you are simply spinning a irrelevant diversion away from the topic</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iprent

Simple the Workers drive the trucks they are represented by the Union. The trucking firms go out of business because they are financially stretched to the max and, Labour adds more charges.

 The workers lose their jobs its called flow on effect. Not all bosses and businesses are bad and the Union should be supporting companies like trucking firms and their workers to keep their members in a job. 

I would have really thought that was quite simple unless you are ideologically blind that all bosses and companies are bad and we dare not say something against the Labour Government</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iprent</p>
<p>Simple the Workers drive the trucks they are represented by the Union. The trucking firms go out of business because they are financially stretched to the max and, Labour adds more charges.</p>
<p> The workers lose their jobs its called flow on effect. Not all bosses and businesses are bad and the Union should be supporting companies like trucking firms and their workers to keep their members in a job. </p>
<p>I would have really thought that was quite simple unless you are ideologically blind that all bosses and companies are bad and we dare not say something against the Labour Government</p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/ctu-rips-nats-acc-policy/comment-page-2/#comment-72841</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob: Ummm - As I understand it, the truckers protest was against road users charges. It was done by either owner-operators or employees paid to do it by their employers.

Tell me exactly how that relates to the workers wages and safety that the trade union movement exposes. 

Maybe you need to go and have a look at what the trade union movement actually does. You statement above looks like you blowing bullshit and trying to present it as some kind of fact. 

If I wanted that kind of idiotic narrative, then all I have to do is turn on Fox News. You appear to be working at the same level - comedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob: Ummm &#8211; As I understand it, the truckers protest was against road users charges. It was done by either owner-operators or employees paid to do it by their employers.</p>
<p>Tell me exactly how that relates to the workers wages and safety that the trade union movement exposes. </p>
<p>Maybe you need to go and have a look at what the trade union movement actually does. You statement above looks like you blowing bullshit and trying to present it as some kind of fact. </p>
<p>If I wanted that kind of idiotic narrative, then all I have to do is turn on Fox News. You appear to be working at the same level &#8211; comedy.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a shame that the CTU weren&#039;t so vociferous when the truckers went on their blockade after all they represent those people too. But nay not a word was spoken!! Wonder if they would have said anything if it had been a National Government in Kind of hypocritical don&#039;t you think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a shame that the CTU weren&#8217;t so vociferous when the truckers went on their blockade after all they represent those people too. But nay not a word was spoken!! Wonder if they would have said anything if it had been a National Government in Kind of hypocritical don&#8217;t you think.</p>
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		<title>By: Robinsod</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/ctu-rips-nats-acc-policy/comment-page-2/#comment-72831</link>
		<dc:creator>Robinsod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sean - that should be &quot;little boy&#039;s blog&quot; (or possibly &quot;little boys&#039; blog&quot; depending on whether you mean a blog of/for one little boy or more) - it&#039;s all about the possessive apostrophe. Perhaps when you achieve some degree of literacy someone will gainfully employ you...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sean &#8211; that should be &#8220;little boy&#8217;s blog&#8221; (or possibly &#8220;little boys&#8217; blog&#8221; depending on whether you mean a blog of/for one little boy or more) &#8211; it&#8217;s all about the possessive apostrophe. Perhaps when you achieve some degree of literacy someone will gainfully employ you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sean</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/ctu-rips-nats-acc-policy/comment-page-2/#comment-72823</link>
		<dc:creator>sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robinsod, go back to your little boys blog where you can dream about getting a real job in the real world with the big boys one day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robinsod, go back to your little boys blog where you can dream about getting a real job in the real world with the big boys one day.</p>
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		<title>By: killinginthenameof</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/ctu-rips-nats-acc-policy/comment-page-2/#comment-72735</link>
		<dc:creator>killinginthenameof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I&#039;m just interested for someone to tell me why it is the employer&#039;s responsibility to pay for ACC cover for their employees.&quot;

The simplest answer would be so that they are dealing paymets information coming in from 200,000 different employers rahter than 2 million different employees. (I have no idea the numbers, those there are just to demostrate my point)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m just interested for someone to tell me why it is the employer&#8217;s responsibility to pay for ACC cover for their employees.&#8221;</p>
<p>The simplest answer would be so that they are dealing paymets information coming in from 200,000 different employers rahter than 2 million different employees. (I have no idea the numbers, those there are just to demostrate my point)</p>
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		<title>By: killinginthenameof</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/ctu-rips-nats-acc-policy/comment-page-2/#comment-72734</link>
		<dc:creator>killinginthenameof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Swampy 

&quot;We would like to see employers reimbursed for the $800 million of business levies held unused in ACC reserves, and to see an end to the over-charging that caused it,&#039; he said.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;


An insurance company keeps money is reserve incase of unforseen circumstances?!! how dare they! that woudl be being prudent or something. 

I suspect Phil O&#039;Reilly is just attempting to exploit the general publics ignorance towards the workings of an insurance company, and guess whos sucker number 1 swampy .


&lt;i&gt;&quot;gobsmacked 
Options: 1) names 2) an apology. I&#039;d choose option 2 if I were you.
&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Option number 3) walk out infront of a bus (preferibly in a manner resulting in your death rather than an ACC claim) and stop wasting everyone elses oxygen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Swampy </p>
<p>&#8220;We would like to see employers reimbursed for the $800 million of business levies held unused in ACC reserves, and to see an end to the over-charging that caused it,&#8217; he said.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>An insurance company keeps money is reserve incase of unforseen circumstances?!! how dare they! that woudl be being prudent or something. </p>
<p>I suspect Phil O&#8217;Reilly is just attempting to exploit the general publics ignorance towards the workings of an insurance company, and guess whos sucker number 1 swampy .</p>
<p><i>&#8220;gobsmacked<br />
Options: 1) names 2) an apology. I&#8217;d choose option 2 if I were you.<br />
&#8220;</i></p>
<p>Option number 3) walk out infront of a bus (preferibly in a manner resulting in your death rather than an ACC claim) and stop wasting everyone elses oxygen.</p>
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