Daily Review 10/12/2015

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1. Draco T Bastard 1

   10 December 2015 at 7:09 pm

   This is what a police state looks like:

   Govt “considering need for offence of unlawful possession of stolen data” and “the role of the Internet in funding terrorist groups”.
   • Anne 1.1

     10 December 2015 at 7:23 pm

     “the role of the Internet in funding terrorist groups”.

     I suppose that includes TS.

     I was vaguely wondering what has happened to those two crack-pots in today’s picture ( btw congrats to whoever chooses them – they’re always on the mark), but I’ve stopped wondering now because we have our own bunch of sinister, crack-pot govt. ministers to worry about.
2. Draco T Bastard 2

   10 December 2015 at 7:37 pm

   US asks for more help fighting Islamic State

   Defence Minister Gerry Brownlee confirmed Mr Carter had sent a letter to the government last Friday.
   He said it was a generic letter asking for help including elite troops, air strikes, provision of ammunition and training.

   Can’t say that I’m surprised and is it really a coincidence that John Key brought up Kiwi Jihadi Brides just a couple of days ago?
   • b waghorn 2.1

     10 December 2015 at 8:01 pm

     If you put aside all the twisted games that have and are being played in the middle east for a moment.
     Do we fiddle around on the high ground while Isis grows stronger to the point where they truly are an Islamic state and we consign all the inhabitants of that state to living under their law.
     Or do we get in and stop them now,which in my opinion would take a large fully backed ground force preferably under the UN.
     The longer this goes on the hatred will spread across the planet to the point that the likes of trumps rubbish will look moderate.
     • weka 2.1.1

       10 December 2015 at 8:50 pm

       those aren’t the only two choices.

       And when we consider who ‘we’ is in your scenarios, we have to understand that we have vested interests that prevent us from working towards peace.
       • b waghorn 2.1.1.1

         10 December 2015 at 9:09 pm

         What other choices.
     • vto 2.1.2

       10 December 2015 at 8:59 pm

       Yes I agree mr waghorn, Saudi Arabia definitely needs bringing into line
     • Draco T Bastard 2.1.3

       10 December 2015 at 9:14 pm

       If you put aside all the twisted games that have and are being played in the middle east for a moment.

       /facepalm

       The twisted games are why Daesh now exist.

       Do we fiddle around on the high ground while Isis grows stronger to the point where they truly are an Islamic state and we consign all the inhabitants of that state to living under their law.

       I’m pretty sure that if we simply left them to it the people living there would have something to say about it. Daesh would go the way of the dodo in quick order.

       Or do we get in and stop them now,which in my opinion would take a large fully backed ground force preferably under the UN.

       Such actions are what caused Daesh to begin with and continue to give it recruits.
       • b waghorn 2.1.3.1

         11 December 2015 at 6:07 am

         The fact millions have left the area says that “the people living there” won’t have something to say about it.
         • One Two 2.1.3.1.1

           11 December 2015 at 9:29 am

           You have explicitly stated you are ‘are here’ to learn, yet on the issue of ISIS there is seems to be a disconnect

           1. Isis is a direct creation of the US/UK/French et al ME foreign policy. In fact they are paid and supplied these nations and others such as Qatar Saudi and Turkey. This has been well established and documented

           2. The Project for the New American Century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century set the agenda

           3. General Wesley Clark confirmed the agenda ‘7 countries in 5 years’ – Its a little behind schedule but on track

           4. Russia are the only nation operating inside Syria not breaking international law or waging an act of war on Syria

           5. The US/UK/Fr et al have been waging covert activity inside Syria for around 5 years now destabilizing the country through training ‘moderate rebels’ read, Al Quaeda >> ISIS fighter

           6. Sykes Picot Agreement – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_Agreement

           ISIS is the ‘Allies’ and the ‘business model’ is being witnessed and acknowledged around the world by ever growing number of people, because its become patently obvious who is behind the continuing reign of terror

           Anglophiles
           • b waghorn 2.1.3.1.1.1

             12 December 2015 at 7:41 am

             Thanks for the feed back .
             In you’re opinion was the Arab spring a manufactured thing and not driven by the people ?
     • gsays 2.1.4

       10 December 2015 at 9:36 pm

       Hi b waghorn, somehow I reckon if bombs, guns, tan
       planes,drones, grenades, embargoes, threats and what ever the richest, most war mongery nations have to use, was going to work- it would have by now.

       Why not a different tack?

       Feed the kids. Drop nutrition, technology, tools, wool gerseys, sleeping bags.
       No one could hate on someone who wants to feed yr kids.
       • gsays 2.1.4.1

         10 December 2015 at 9:50 pm

         here is the take of michael franti:
         “bomb the world.
         Please, tell me the reason
         Behind the colors that you fly
         Love just one nation
         And the whole world, we divide

         You won’t say, youre sorry
         There is no other choice
         God bless the people now
         Who cannot raise their voice

         We can chase down all our enemies
         Bring them to their knees
         We can bomb the world to pieces
         But we cant bomb it into peace

         Whoa, we may even find a solution
         To hunger and disease
         We can bomb the world to pieces
         But we cant bomb it into peace

         Violence brings one thing
         More more of the same
         Military madness
         The smell of flesh and burning pain

         So I sing out to the masses
         Stand up if youre still sane
         To all of us gone crazy
         I sing this one refrain

         We can chase down all our enemies
         Bring them to their knees
         We can bomb the world to pieces
         But we cant bomb it into peace
       • b waghorn 2.1.4.2

         10 December 2015 at 9:52 pm

         Have you seen what Isis does to aid workers?
         Dropping bombs from a distance is doomed to fail ,a force needs to go in and control the area and if they really want piece they probably need to draw some new lines on the map for the Kurds and the different Muslim factions that are there to have their own states.
         • gsays 2.1.4.2.1

           10 December 2015 at 10:02 pm

           “a force needs to go in and control the area and if they really want piece they probably need to draw some new lines on the map for the Kurds and the different Muslim factions that are there to have their own states.”

           mmm… good luck with that one. check with the palestinians how redrawing lines on a map is going for them.

           what i am suggesting is to win the hearts and minds of the locals and spend a fraction of the money doing it.

           then the corporations making the bombs and weapons wont make profit and.. oh, i see.
           as you were, carry on.
   • Rosie 2.2

     10 December 2015 at 9:29 pm

     Apologies for flippancy Draco. My cynicism for what ever comes out of Key’s mouth has reached a plateau, a very high one, at the top of the world, so when ever I hear “Jihadi Brides” I think maybe they are a band, maybe they can open for Shihad.

     How did they get their name?

     “Tom Larkin: Well, see that’s the biggest cock-up out. When we were 15 we were all into this sci-fi movie Dune. See, Dune uses all these Arabic words throughout the movie and the end battle is a Jihad. We were stupid and thought it’d be a great name for a band so we called ourselves Shihad cause we couldn’t even spell it.”

     And we all know they had to change their name post 9/11 while touring in the States. They became Pacifier.

     “We were in America while it invaded Iraq and had to play at festivals that were supposedly ‘support the troops festivals’ when we didn’t believe in the war at all. That’s what the song “All the Young Fascists” is about – the day we played Miami in front of 30,000 kids at this festival that was originally just a rock festival. A week out, just because of the timing, it was turned into the support the troops show and it was being simulcast live to Iraq. We were on this bill with these really ugly – what we call WWF – metal bands, and we were shitting ourselves.
     I just wanted to get out of there. Beside the stage was a paintball gun alley where kids were lining up to shoot effigies of Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden and (French president) Jacques Chirac. That was the weirdest one. The amount of times I actually pointed out to Americans the fact that their Statue of Liberty was a gift from the French and they were supposed to be mates.”

     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shihad
   • maui 2.3

     10 December 2015 at 11:43 pm

     +1, it’s all a bit fishy and seems vaguely familiar.

     5 November 2014 – PM announces 40 kiwi extremists on SIS watchlist
     25 February 2015 – PM announces we’re off to fight extremists in Iraq
3. Ad 3

   10 December 2015 at 9:02 pm

   Great to see Victoria Crone (Xero) join Mark Thomas, Stephen Berry, and Penny Bright all contesting the Auckland Mayoralty. May the right continue to splinter.
4. The lost sheep 4

   10 December 2015 at 9:47 pm

   “Meanwhile, Labour is up 5% since the last election. Gosh, two examples of utterly false assertions in one Gobsheep!”

   All good. The master plan is on track. No need to change tactics then.

   http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/6599-roy-morgan-new-zealand-voting-intention-december-2015-201512092333
   • Muttonbird 4.1

     10 December 2015 at 10:10 pm

     Your family will be turning in their graves to find that you have become a ladder-kicker.
     • The lost sheep 4.1.1

       10 December 2015 at 10:39 pm

       Well no.
       In my family we have always had a very strong tolerance for political differences, and a robust appreciation of pointed debate.
       What has always pissed us off the most are people who can’t read the obvious realities in front of them and change their plan of action accordingly.
       My Dad went to his grave disgusted by the ‘spinelessness’ of the contemporary Left. But then he was an old school Socialist. Would go down like a fart in Church in the modern Labour Party.
       But enough about my family Titi.

       Are you happy with the current situation of the Left?, and do you think the Left is working to a plan that will ensure electoral victory in 2017?
       You don’t think anything needs to be changed?
       • ropata 4.1.1.1

         10 December 2015 at 10:50 pm

         i wonder what it would be like to NOT have greedy pricks running the country

         that might be a nice change
         • The lost sheep 4.1.1.1.1

           10 December 2015 at 10:51 pm

           What about you Ropata?

           Are you happy with the current situation of the Left?, and do you think the Left is working to a plan that will ensure electoral victory in 2017?
           You don’t think anything needs to be changed?
           • ropata 4.1.1.1.1.1

             10 December 2015 at 11:30 pm

             no, sorta, probably

             the opposition seems to be co-operating a bit better and under Little the LP is more united and has simplified its messaging somewhat. it’s an uphill battle but there are some good signs, e.g. the news media actually questioning our glorious leader sometimes. i trust that most kiwis still have decent values and don’t like the unequal society, or 250 000 kids in poverty, or the scandal-ridden Nats, or their fucked up ideology that thinks asset sales is a good idea.

             the left needs to show NZ that there is a better way, and it really is possible.

             the lies from FJK are getting more desperate and ridiculous — the Left needs to stick to their principles and not sink to FJK’s level of puerile playground insults
             • The lost sheep …

               10 December 2015 at 11:58 pm

               the lies from FJK are getting more desperate and ridiculous

               IMO, the Left needs to forget about that, and concentrate on this…

               the left needs to show NZ that there is a better way, and it really is possible.

               Because that’s where the Left is failing. Self evidently, the Left is not convincing the majority of Kiwi’s of that.
               It might be easier on the ego to focus on hating JK, and it might be less painful than finding a new and persuasive story to tell….
               But come on, do you honestly think the current plan is working?

               What my Dad always meant by ‘spineless’ was the lack of honesty to admit to a problem, and the lack of courage to find realistic answers to overcome it.
               • ropata …

                 11 December 2015 at 12:17 am

                 i don’t “hate” JK but i certainly don’t respect his leadership or his values.

                 John Key is the biggest PR asset of the Nats, winning elections on his feel good blokey persona alone, so we absolutely have to call him out on his glib made-up bullshit.

                 part of the duty of opposition is to hold the current regime to account, especially as traditional mass media is declining.

                 i wouldn’t judge the emotional venting and heated arguments on TS as representative of the broader Left movement, the denizens of this blog are a self selected bunch of online political junkies — if you’re suggesting that TS ought to censor itself, well you’re dreaming mate.

                 and i don’t think the Left narrative is necessarily “failing”, as you may recall in the last 2 elections Kiwis actually preferred Labour policies, but there is still an undercurrent of hostility against things perceived as PC meddling… that’s why Little has tweaked the messaging (IMHO)

                 your Dad sounds like quite a character, i wonder what he would say about some of the more outspoken commenters like CV or DTB
                 • The lost sheep …

                   11 December 2015 at 6:49 am

                   Dad grew up in a tent wearing flour sack trousers. Seriously.

                   As a life long Socialist and Labour Party member, I’ve got not doubt what he would say to most commenters on this blog.
                   ‘You’re just pissing in the wind. 3 elections lost, Polling on 28%, Leader on 8%, and absolutely no sign of traction.
                   Forget this endless firkin waffling about things that are never going to happen, and things you can’t change.
                   Find out what YOU are doing wrong, and what YOU need to do to change the situation.
                   If you do nothing, expect me to be there after the next election reminding you how firkin useless you are’
                   • ropata …

                     11 December 2015 at 10:51 am

                     the main “purpose” of a community
                     is community

                     saving the world is a bit too much of a project for a few bloggers to handle

                     but thanks for the advice
5. joe90 5

   10 December 2015 at 10:27 pm

   Clear as mud.

   http://www.versobooks.com/blogs/2371-da-esh-has-become-the-overwhelming-obsession-of-western-governments-clouding-all-other-issues-an-extract-from-jonathan-littell-s-syrian-notebooks-inside-the-homs-uprising
6. ropata 6

   10 December 2015 at 10:51 pm

   Moreu Cartoon for today …

   Serco gets dropped – Moreu's cartoon about Judith Collins and Mt Eden prison in today's Timaru Herald: pic.twitter.com/UOtnYDFFKO— Bryce Edwards (@bryce_edwards) December 9, 2015
7. Draco T Bastard 7

   11 December 2015 at 12:14 am

   Whoops, A Car Autonomously Calls Cops On Its Owner After A Hit and Run
8. Hopeless 8

   11 December 2015 at 1:07 am

   You could hand the left the PM’s head on a platter and they wouldn’t know what to do with it.
   • ropata 8.1

     11 December 2015 at 11:01 pm

     that’s because unlike some right wing psychos we don’t have a policy of beheading our opponents
9. Hopeless 9

   13 December 2015 at 2:55 am

   Maybe you should get with the programme. Wake up.

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