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Deep hypocrisy vs government for sale

Written By: - Date published: 9:39 am, June 14th, 2013 - 214 comments
Categories: accountability, labour, national - Tags: ,

I think the Labour MPs who went to the SkyCity box for the rugby were stupid to do so. They have various excuses, including using the opportunity to express opposition:

Mr Faafoi said he often met with businesses and organisations he did not support and said he had made the party’s opposition to the Government’s deal with SkyCity clear.

“We told them Labour would repeal any special privileges to be exempt from gambling laws that applied to everyone else,” Mr Faafoi said.

But none the less it has handed Key his “deep hypocrisy” line, and the spinsters are gleefully running it.

It’s a pretty sad state of affairs. National have sold out NZ law, run a rigged process to favour Sky City, and signed off on arrangements that will increase the social damage caused by problem gambling. There in the corporate box the Nat MPs were no doubt lined up deep at the trough of corporate largesse, wallowing further in a relationship which is already far too cozy. But this “government for sale” is just fine, doesn’t raise a media eyebrow.

While it was stupid of Labour MPs to muddy the waters, the real scandal goes unremarked.

214 comments on “Deep hypocrisy vs government for sale”

  1. Lanthanide 1

    Yip. Key even used a ridiculous line “at least with us, everyone knows that we’ve done a deal with SkyCity”. The media should have pulled him up on it – just because you’ve made it public, it doesn’t mean what you’re doing is in anyway acceptable, in fact it’s galling that you’d even suggest that.

    • Tom Gould 1.1

      “The media should have pulled him up on it”? On what? Lying about the connections, the meetings, the secrecy, the costs? That’s not news, FFS. Four Labour MPs doing what Tory MPs do every day, now that’s news!

      • Tom Gould 1.1.1

        Gower tweets that Shearer is “pouring hypocrisy on hypocrisy” because he went to the Sky box at the Rugby World Cup in 2011. It gets worse. Word has it Shearer once looked up admiringly at the Sky Tower once back in 2009. And he once drove past the Casino twice in one day. Bloody hypocrite.

  2. fatty 2

    Labour have just made the pokie bribe scandal a non-issue next year. That was going to be one of Shearer’s weapons. In fact, you can now forget trying to frame Key as the sleazeball he is. And forget about trying to frame Shearer as the clean non-politician…what is Labour’s strategy now? Wait for 2017?
    The ramifications of this is massive and will haunt Labour until after the next election.
    What does a one way flight cost? (I don’t care where)

    • BLiP 2.1

      Labour have just made the pokie bribe scandal a non-issue next year . . .

      How you work that one out? While its certainly not a good look just at the moment, I remain to be convinced that Labour has lost the highground on this issue. John Key has made a twat of himself. In effect, he is saying that by accepting corporate hospitality a politician is somehow obliged to support what ever that corporation is up to. This is more indicative of his own shallow, mendacious, and venal approach to politics than it is a statement of fact. Once that is pointed out, Labour need only remind the public that in the lead up to the sleazy deal, John Key told the following lies:

      – the Sky City deal will provide 900 construction jobs and 800 casino jobs

      – the Sky City deal doesn’t mean more pokies

      – there was nothing improper about the Sky City deal

      – my office has had no correspondence, no discussions, no involvement with the Sky City deal

      – SkyCity will only get “a few more” pokie machines at the margins

      – any changes to gambling regulations will be subject to a full public submission process

      – Sky City has approached TVNZ about the purchase/use of government-owned land

      – I did not mislead the House (8)

      – the Auditor General has fully vindicated National over the Sky City deal

      There’s no need to “frame” John Key as a sleazeball when his own words confirm it.

      • felix 2.1.1

        “In effect, he is saying that by accepting corporate hospitality a politician is somehow obliged to support what ever that corporation is up to.”

        Yep, and and that should have been the first thing out of every Labour MP’s mouth as soon as this issue was raised.

        Instead, so far everyone including Shearer and Labour have mutely accepted Key’s framing.

      • Rob 2.1.2

        So whats your issue with 900 construction jobs. Do you think these things get built by hui’s and interpretive dance group?

        • BLiP 2.1.2.1

          I would love there to be 900 construction jobs. John Key actually said there was going to be 1,000 construction jobs. Thing is, its another John Key lie.

          . . . He also questioned the construction job figures, saying: “I’m not quite sure what the source of that 1000 was.”

          The original Horwath report said 150 jobs could be created over a five-year construction period for a total of 750 . . .

          John Key’s lies about numbers don’t surprise me, though. He did, after all, manufacture his $50 million right out of thin air and without producing even a single widget. His deliberate and mendacious use of figures has now become a feature of National Ltd™ as his ashpurashunal colleagues get with the programme. Nick Smith caught on quick with conjuring up the rationale for the privatisation-by-stealth of ACC and its been pretty much ongoing since then. Just this week we’ve had dodgy figures being presented by National Ltd™ on manufacturing, national standards, and youth unemployment data. Don’t suppose you noticed, though.

          • Rob 2.1.2.1.1

            Well you are correct I have not noticed the rest of your comments , however what I have noticed is that you have no real idea of what it takes to build anything. At this stage of any project (being well before drafting details are completed or determining base build requirements) a 10% variation in construction jobs (if that is what you are complaining about) is normal. One thing about a project of this size is that it will employ a lot of people to build it and to me that is a good thing.

            The great outcome for Labour is that it will enable Sky City to keep picking up the refreshements tab for its MP’s that trough their hospitality.

            • BLiP 2.1.2.1.1.1

              . . . (if that is what you are complaining about) . . .

              Along with the John Key led National Ltd™ government’s non-stop fiddling the figures, you seem also to have not noticed that I am not complaining about anything. I know facts are difficult things for those not used to dealing with them when it comes to politics but, really, speaking truth is not actually “complaining”. Its helping.

              Speaking of people troughing it, John Key was shouted out to a posh restaurant when he left one job before spending a month on paid holiday while waiting until he could start his new job. But, guess what? John Key lied about his free meal . . .

              - I paid for that lunch and I’ve got the credit card bill to prove it

              As it happens, the great outcome for Labour is that its a reminder that John Key has proven himself to be an inveterate liar, particularly concerning matters with which he is directly involved. Another great outcome for Labour from this media beat up that its MPs can demonstrate their committment to wider principles while also being able to maintain a working relationship with those who’s ambitions may be denied for the greater good of New Zealand. Yet another wonderful bonus is that this situation provides a opportunity to remind the public the Sky City conference centre deal is John Key’s baby. As the project moves forward, it will become increasingly obvious that it was promoted by John Key telling lie after lie after lie and ultimately, as The Domion Post pointed out, John Key himself . . .

              . . . passing the bill to those who can least afford to pay it – the habitual gamblers on whom casinos rely for most of their revenue. SkyCity’s profits do not come from passers-by who spontaneously pop into the casino on the way to dinner or a show to empty their pockets of loose change. They come from a much smaller subset of its clientele who, night after night, can be found perched on the same stools pouring money they and their families can ill afford to do without into slot machines . . .

              . . . for Sir John Key so loved the underclass that his contribution to New Zealand society was to ensure that the underclass multiplied. Now, *that’s* hypocrisy.

      • fatty 2.1.3

        BLiP

        I agree with every point you make, you are spot on, Key is a sleaze.
        The problem is there is a difference between actions and perception. Ideally, perception is a direct result of actions, but if we look back at Key’s time as leader, this has not happened.
        You, me, everyone on here, and even whaleoil, know that Key has been deceitful, and a liar for the past 5 years…but the voters love him.

        I remain to be convinced that Labour has lost the highground on this issue

        That is irrelevant.
        Labour have held the high ground over National since Key became PM. The only thing that matters is how the voters perceive the candidates and parties.
        Come the pre-election debates, Shearer might have a go at the pokies-bribe, but the response will be “you sat in the corporate box of Sky City and ate their sausage rolls…and Labour MP’s drank their champagne”.
        If we take off our critical thinking hat, and put on our Waitakere Man hat, how do we read that? How is that going to be presented in the 6pm news by the mediaworks gang? How does the voter, who has no interest in political details, understand it?
        Mumble face will have no comeback to Key’s nasty one-liners.

        Once that is pointed out, Labour need only remind the public that in the lead up to the sleazy deal, John Key told the following lies

        Have you been following NZ politics over the past 5 years?

        • marty mars 2.1.3.1

          Middle nz know that key lies and they don’t care. He puts on his sleezoid face shrugs his shoulders and moves on. The only way to get him imo is to get him to reveal the nasty side and that can happen by hammering the lies for sure because he is vain and up himself – but the lies are the journey not the destination.

          • Rob 2.1.3.1.1

            Yep we all got pretty use to lying politicians after Peters, Clark, Field et al showed us the way.

            • Pasupial 2.1.3.1.1.1

              @ Rob

              You seriously contend that no politician has ever lied in Aotearoa before Peters et al.? New Zealand is built on lies – starting with a Treaty that was never meant to be honoured.

              What gets to me is how for NAct, there is no real downside to lying; either they get away with it thanks to the vapidness of our MSM, or; they are caught, shrug their shoulders, and further reduce the credibility of all politicians. Sure; one MP may take a fall (or lose some of their perks briefly), but the public’s expectations are lowered that little bit more, which gives the next deception an easier course.

        • BLiP 2.1.3.2

          I get what you’re saying – out there in punterland “perception is reality” and the MSM seem intent on working through some sort of collective daddy issues they have projected onto John Key.

          Yet, as naive as I may seem, I haven’t quite given up on New Zealand voters and Labour’s ability to get its shit together to begin communicating effectively. The alternative is just too depressing for me to dwell on. There seems already to be an air of dejection about just how hopeless the Labour MPs are proving to be and I am resisting the temptation to become cynical about their personal motives. I think there is more than enough cynicism to go around and I believe that mood among the poplace is being manufactured by those who would rather leave our hopes and dreams up to some sort of contrived beneficence of “the market”. I’m probably being pollyannaish, but losing interest and hunkering down in my own little bunker to wait for what is being portrayed as the inevitable seems a broken-arse and acquiescent response.

          The SkyCity deal is one of several issues that needs sorting. And it can be sorted. The facts speak for themselves and its incumbent on our MPs and the parties of the Left to communicate them directly. The difficulty, as I see it, is that the Left runs the risk of always seeming to be negative, almost always appearing in the MSM pointing out the glaring faults. Its time for a different strategy. Rather than just seeming to carp from the sidelines, the Left needs to engage more positively. Its probably still just a bit too soon to start envisioning what life would be like for New Zealand under the Left government, but there’s no reason why our representatives can’t adopt, say, mockery and humour to soften the news. Expose National Ltd™ for the morbid joke that it is.

          I dunno, I’m a supply chain boffin, I don’t know about communications and media and PR and spin but I do know that its time Labour did something to get its message through. Somehow. Maybe bypass the MSM altogether. Sack all the press secretaries and hire a bunch of tech savy texters and bloggers and tweeters and Facebook types and reach out. Alternatively, since the MSM has reduced its Fourth Estate duties to that of entertainers, give them what they want. Like I said, I dunno, colour me naive, but I’ll be fucked if I’m gonna give up just yet.

    • Ad 2.2

      +1
      King shearer cosgrove goff are just complete fucking numpties. Again.

      Fire them all.

    • Paul 2.3

      You’d think it was almost deliberate ……….

  3. Anne 3

    They earn enough to purchase themselves decent seats at the game, so how much more astute it would have been if they had sat with the general public.

    • Colonial Viper 3.1

      Far better to be amongst Caesars guests overlooking the masses at the games

    • Rob 3.2

      Probably becasue they have lost (or never had) the skills to converse with normal non politically employed New Zealanders at a sporting event.

  4. ianmac 4

    It could be said that the National MPs who used the Sky facilities at Eden Park were getting the benefits of their cosy deal. That could be called ummm – corruption.

  5. karol 5

    No time for complacency.

    If those Labour MPs didn’t understand in advance how their corporate box actions would undermine their opposition to this government, they really haven’t been that committed, and the really don’t understand the issues or the stakes.

    They should stand back and leave it to MPs who do get the urgency and depth of commitment needed.

    • Mary 5.1

      Just one more example of why Shearer’s not up to the job, but more importantly how Shearer will never be up to the job. Shearer’s at the same time too nice a guy, and too stupid strategically to lead Labour. In Shearer’s case both of these things I think come from the same place, but this doesn’t change the fact that it will never, ever, be good news for Labour, or for New Zealand, for as long as Shearer is Labour’s leader.

      • Anne 5.1.1

        To be fair Mary he apparently wasn’t in the box with them. He merely popped in briefly to see them. For all we know he may have been letting them know it wasn’t a smart thing to do. Whatever… Goff, King and Cosgrove have been around a long time. They must have known how it would look but I guess their sense of entitlement overcame any misgivings.

        • tracey 5.1.1.1

          popped in for ten minutes… doesnt he see enough of them in Wellington???

        • Mary 5.1.1.2

          If the clip of him on the TV news last night was at the said rugby game then it didn’t look like he’d just popped in. He had a glass in his hand and was chatting quite freely.

          Regardless of this, though, I think that the “go easy on Shearer” approach is ultimately the wrong one, not because Shearer deserves to be criticised: unlike many of his political opponents his intentions are admirable and I’m sure he’s a good person. However, the logical extension of not questioning Shearer’s suitability for the job of Leader of the Opposition is that he is the person for the job when clearly he isn’t and the longer we keep kidding ourselves that he is the longer New Zealand will be worse off.

          • Anne 5.1.1.2.1

            If the clip of him on the TV news last night was at the said rugby game then it didn’t look like he’d just popped in. He had a glass in his hand and was chatting quite freely.

            Well naturally he’s not going to ‘tear strips off them’ in front of a TV camera. That would have happened behind closed doors. So, he’s not allowed to go purchase a glass of wine during half time – or whenever it was – and at least drop by briefly (and apparently it was briefly) to see them?

            It’s not a “go easy on Shearer” thing Mary. And don’t accuse me of not questioning Shearer’s suitability. Some of my local colleagues in the Labour Party (and a few people here too) can attest to that…

            • Chris 5.1.1.2.1.1

              Don’t know much about the corporate box environment having never been personally, but I would seriously doubt you can carry wine glasses outside of corporate boxes (i.e. if he had a wine glass it would have come from within the box).

              That said I don’t get really get the big deal about this all – looks pretty bad but thats about it. Was stupid and politically shouldn’t have happened but is not a major.

              • Mary

                I agree, but it is yet one more example of why Shearer’s too much of a light-weight in the strategy department to be Leader of the Opposition.

            • Mary 5.1.1.2.1.2

              “To be fair Mary he apparently wasn’t in the box with them. He merely popped in briefly to see them. For all we know he may have been letting them know it wasn’t a smart thing to do.”

              and

              “Well naturally he’s not going to ‘tear strips off them’ in front of a TV camera.”

              So instead what Shearer does is go there himself to tell his MPs that they themselves shouldn’t be there and, according to you, while he’s there doing this it’s okay “to go purchase a glass of wine during half time – or whenever it was – and at least drop by briefly (and apparently it was briefly) to see them?”

              I’m afraid, Anne, what you’re saying just doesn’t stack up. If this were the case why didn’t Shearer just ring them to voice his concern, instead of doing precisely the same thing that he “apparently” went there to tell his MPs that they should not be doing?

              And as for “accusing” you of going easy on Shearer, your comments were the last thing on my mind when I wrote about how I think Shearer’s the wrong man for the job. I was accusing you of nothing.

              Ironically though, your defence of why Shearer was “apparently” at the Sky City corporate box is an example of how we need to be questioning more his suitability as leader. If the reasons you suggested were in fact the reasons why he did go there, then this shows further why he should’ve known not to go, and places his judgement further into question, and at the same time his suitability as leader.

              • Colonial Viper

                These matters are made clear in the Radio Live interview with Shearer.

                Shearer had been invited by SkyCity to attend, but chose to go with the NZ Rugby Union invitation instead. (I trust that Shearer did not have to buy his own wine, given that).

                Shearer’s staff had helped organise his “popping in” to the SkyCity box, where he was shocked and surprised to find a number of his senior MPs already there.

                Bad staff work, basically.

                • Mary

                  I’ve got no reason to dispute that, but why did he even need to “pop in” if he didn’t know some of his MPs were there? Why didn’t he himself not have the nous to tell his staffers that his visit they’d organised wasn’t right?

                  In the scheme of things it’s minor, I know. But it just seems that all Shearer ever does amounts to a series of non-hanging offences. I think we need better if New Zealand’s going to be saved.

                  • shearer ‘popped in’ because there was someone he wanted to talk to and he knew that person was in the corporate box and he says he did chat to them for 10 minutes but won’t say who it was in that interview because the person would be ‘embarrassed’.

                    I cannot remember shearer mentioning his staff in that interview.

        • Muttonbird 5.1.1.3

          I’ll take Kris Faafoi’s line. That they were engaging with the Sky city gambling types. After all, one must know one’s enemy.

      • Bearded Git 5.1.2

        I haven’t been a Shearer fan at all but having listened to him on Radio Live, IMHO he did pretty well in this interview.

        • Colonial Viper 5.1.2.1

          After having listened to the whole thing, I have to agree with you. He was in an unwinnable position, and although there were some things he could have done better, on the whole it was a good effort.

          • Winston Smith 5.1.2.1.1

            Have you noticed that when hes in an unwinnable position its usually of his own making…

            • Colonial Viper 5.1.2.1.1.1

              He popped into the SkyCity Corporate Box, and was startled to find some of his most senior MPs present. That’s a tonne of bad staff work, right there.

              • gobsmacked

                “Any plans for the weekend, Phil?”

                “Yeah Dave, gonna see the ABs”

                “Oh, me too. Let’s meet up. Where are you sitting?”

                “Er … you don’t want to know. Trust me.”

                “Oh, is this like that John Key thing where I don’t ask any questions, in case I get answers? Cool, I feel Prime Ministerial already!”

    • i was a bit more harsh..

      http://whoar.co.nz/2013/the-rightwing-of-labour-snuggles-up-to-sky-city-casino/

      (excerpt..)

      “..and of course not all labour mp’s were invited..just that rightwing cabal..dragging their stained/tattered neo-lib/rand-ite cloaks/histories behind them..(presented at the door as their credentials..)..”

      (i then go on a bit..)

      phillip ure..

    • Chrissy 5.3

      I agree with karol.It was an appalling lapse of judgement.I have been keeping an open mind on David Shearer but am very disappointed with him and all of the Labour members, and feel he should have strongly advised them not to use the Sky City corporate box.And he should have stayed well away himself. It’s a little bit like a betrayal. I was amazed at the media reaction to what key calls “deep hypocrisy”I don’t know how many times I heard it repeated over the last few days.When I think off “deep hypocrisy” I think of key taking that little girl up to Waitangi with the empty promise of a better life for her and her family and all underpriviliged people.Knowing all the while he had absolutely no intentions in that direction.Labour needs to buckle down and do the work we need them to do.This country is imploding.

    • Saarbo 5.4

      +1, yep. Its disappointing from the point of view that these MP’s dont have the judgement and foresight to understand the damage that something like this does to Labour and the Left.

      I personally couldnt believe that they had attended the Box. Very disappointing and very poor judgement. Its going to be BLOODY tough for the Left to win in 2014 with calls like this.

    • AmaKiwi 5.5

      We only have one major party, the Business Party. It has two branches: Business National and Business Labour.

    • Paul 5.6

      There are thousands of vulnerable, underpaid, unemployed, homeless New Zealanders who need a Labour Party that cares more about them than drinks with the corporates watching rugby.

      • farmboy 5.6.1

        Haha yea it worked out for them last time labour was in power didnt it.Zero unemployment zero homeless wasnt it.

        • Paul 5.6.1.1

          My point exactly.
          The Labour Party needs to return to its roots.

          • Rob 5.6.1.1.1

            Yep Paul , they do, and it is unfortunate that they will vote for these guys and be severely let down .

        • Pasupial 5.6.1.2

          @ Farmboy

          Point to one time in the history of New Zealand when there has been zero unemployment. Zero income for the; indigent, elderly, unemployed and dispossessed, certainly; but not zero unemployment.

          Homelessness is a growing problem in Aotearoa, Bomber himself is doing a charity sleep in a box event to raise awareness, and hopefully; money, for this social problem – I guess that hasn’t worked with you. As for unemployment; didn’t that double in Key’s first year as PM? And it has stayed flat or trended up ever since.

  6. handle 6

    The reason the media are not reporting the deal any more is because Labour have handed them a simpler story. Again. That’s the ‘sad state of affairs’.

    • Jane 6.1

      What you say is key, why would TV3 and One fill up the lead news item with something serious but slightly boring when you get several days of political scandal handed to you on a plate by Labours bumbling… Again.

  7. Socialist Paddy 7

    So I guess we take solace in the fact that four Labour MPs are dickheads rather than corrupt.

    • Rob 7.1

      Dickheads yep that’s proven , but the population is still out on the corrupt issue

  8. tsmithfield 8

    To be consistent, Labour should return any donation they receive from Sky City.

  9. fender 9

    Until Labour do a U-turn and vote in support of the convention centre in return for their rugby tickets I fail to see the “deep hypocrisy” kicking in. These MP’s would have been better to graciously decline the invitation but I think they have at least shown that they don’t and won’t give preferential treatment to those bearing gifts. It needs to be remembered that Labour has a problem with the process undertaken by National on the deal for a convention centre, not a problem with SkyCity. It’s actually quite mature and up-front to show Skycity that there are no hard feelings towards them just because the govt of the day are giving them special treatment.

    • felix 9.1

      Exactly fender, the Nats and their spinners are peddling absolute nonsense on this.

      The scandalous party is the one taking gifts and favouring the giver. These fuckwits are saying it would be ok for Labour to take the gifts as along as they vote in accordance with Sky City’s wishes like the Nats did.

      It disturbs me greatly to see so many lefties accepting this bullshit framing.

      • Colonial Viper 9.1.1

        I suppose if you can’t take their money, drink their booze, then vote against them, you’re not doing your job as a politician.

        • Rob 9.1.1.1

          Yep exactly , I mean just because your constituents that you really care about and want to protect from the evilness of Sky City, have to buy their own drinks and pay for their own taxi’s , does not mean that any well regarded Labour MP has to the same does it ? I mean they are all so spectacularly intelligent and Helen Clarke was their leader and everything , so no they are above all that. End of.

  10. Ted 10

    Shearer made a huge mistake on Radio Live today. Instead of saying he thought of throwing his phone at the wall, and saying he had given his MPs a telling off, he should have taken a different approach.
    I would have advised him to say something along the lines of…
    ‘Sky City is a private company and is only doing what is best for its shareholders in its negotiations with National. National has been beaten by Sky City, and we do not hold that against Sky City, we are in open dialogue with sky city because it will need to work with us after the election.
    Our beef is with National, not – sky city.
    Therefore, we are at liberty, in representing our voters, to keep channels of communication open with everyone, blah, blah, blah.’

    My 2C.

    Shearer needs a new PR advisor.

      • handle 10.1.1

        Does not really matter what he is saying, it is several days too late. Again.

      • fatty 10.1.2

        He uses the word hindsight a lot. He’ll be using that word a lot following the next election too.
        He also said Goff, King and Cosgrove are his best performers. Perhaps tomorrow he will admit that in hindsight that was a stupid thing to say

        Any chance of a Labour leader with foresight?

        • Miranda 10.1.2.1

          +1

          “In hindsight those MP’s would have re-thought that”

          He does not have an expecation that they should have forseen that it was stupid to takes Sky’s
          hospitality.

          “I deal with this behind the scenes, not on public radio”

          Spare me…Shearer created a false situation for a very public attack on Cunliffe at the November conference.

          What a rudderless man.

          • AmaKiwi 10.1.2.1.1

            I am waiting for Judith Collins to take Key’s place. What she will do to Shearer will bring a new meaning to “Crusher Collins.”

      • just saying 10.1.3

        If I had the energy, I’d write something detailed about Shearer’s authoritarian, masculinist, indvidualist, and utterly neoliberalist language throughout the interview.
        But listening to Shearer for that long makes me lose the will to live, let alone think and write.

      • gobsmacked 10.1.4

        In that Radio Live interview Shearer says he didn’t know any of the MPs were going to be there.

        So Phil Goff, his mentor and shoelace-tier, his neigbouring electorate MP, the leader who gave him his parachutes into Mt Albert and then the leadership, didn’t mention to Shearer (and vice-versa) anything about going to see the All Blacks. And they just happened to bump into each other in the corporate box. Hmmm … Tui time.

        That interview is a ten minute National party orgasm.

      • marty mars 10.1.5

        “if I had 34 MP’s working as hard as they do I would be very very pleased” Oh dear come on you slack-arsed 31 labour MP’s that aren’t goff, cosgrove and king lol.

        “I don’t want to say because it’s embarrassing for that person” hmm wonder who it was that he knew was in the box and who he spent 10 minutes talking to but who he thinks would be embarrassed about that.

        • Socialist Paddy 10.1.5.1

          If he had 34 MPs working like them the Labour Party would be no more.

        • Pasupial 10.1.5.2

          @ Marty Mars

          Is there footage anywhere of Shearer’s 10 minute visit? I guess they don’t allow cameras near the Sky City box. Goff & co aren’t going to say, so I we’ll probably never know who that was. If indeed there was a person.

          But really; wouldn’t anyone be embarrassed to be seen in public with Shearer?

    • tracey 10.2

      +1

    • Boadicea 10.3

      “Shearer needs a new PR advisor.”

      You cannot polish a turd.

    • felix 10.4

      Ted +1

      Also, Shearer has a PR advisor?

      • Colonial Viper 10.4.1

        I thought the phone against the wall thing was a very real, red blooded comment. Just a tad more cool conviction and it would have sounded perfect.

        • the pigman 10.4.1.1

          Just going to assume that was a joke. Team Shearer’s feeble attempts to secure Waitakere Man’s vote could not get any more blatant.

          Unless, maybe, he approached Tamihere to run in Manukau East in 2014 (because Waitakere Man isn’t just found in West Auckland, after all)…

          “Red-blooded” displays of chest-beating are surely something his PR people should be advising him against…

        • marty mars 10.4.1.2

          imo the phone against the wall thing was completely contrived and utter bullshit.

  11. George D 11

    There’s a reasonable correlation between Labour MPs who like rugby and those who appear to be ineffective, reactionary, and trouble-prone.

    • ak 11.1

      Exaccamundo George; the real crime was in attending the elitist apartheid game at all.

  12. unpcnzcougar 12

    What were they thinking? Really? All this has done is give National and the media the right to change the conversation and not in a good way.

  13. just saying 13

    On the latest ‘Citizen A’ Chris Trotter made the point in regard to another matter – The Labour Caucus repeatedly fuck up by assuming they will be held to the same standards as the National MPs – whose hypocrisy, greed, lying, corruption etc. are mostly minimised or ignored. But the elites and their favourite parliamentary representatives will never be held to the same standards as Labour members.

    I can only imagine that in moving to the right and their own corporate toadying, the Labour leadership imagines that the fourth estate will grant them that same degree of immunity, but it’s not going to happen while they even purport to represent the poorest 75 percent.

    And there are a few groups who’d be glad to meet with Labour ministers to discuss relevant policy. Beneficiary groups are anxious to know what Labour proposes to do in regard to social security, and yet you just don’t hear of ministers sharing cosy meals with beneficiaries to explain where Labour stands in regard to their issues.

    Ministers who read TS feel free to prove me wrong re the above.

  14. tracey 14

    …and shearer popped in for ten minutes. These guys really have no idea. And Cosgrove thought we all owed him a flight up too????

    the Nats must piss themselves laughing @ how easy labour has made it for them to fuck up the country while lining the pockets of those they socialise with.

  15. Santi 15

    I believe hypocrisy is to attend Sky City functions, drink and eat at their expense, and try to hide it. That’s hypocrisy. Just ask C. Cosgrove and D. Shearer.

    • tracey 15.1

      I’m not sure they tried to hide it. You mustnt enjoy this government very much with the deniala nd hiding they do and keep being found out on…

      It’s not two wrongs make a right.

      The right seem so smug over thing, but at least the folks at TS can call a piece of shit smelly even if it’s those on their side of the political spectrum.

      Hard to recall this government being called to account by those who support it. I reference BLiPs list of shame as my evience.

    • tracey 15.2

      Hat tip to BLiP

      Perhaps you could help me with a point in relation to your observation that . . .

      . . . As a general point most politicians make mistakes, they don’t lie. When they do they loose their job . . .

      . . . which of the following John Key statements could reasonably be described as mistakes as opposed to outright lies:

      – I promise to always be honest

      – We’re not proposing to change the Employment Relations Act in a way that weakens unions

      – we are not going to sack public servants, the attrition rate will reduce costs

      – there’s no way one in five New Zealanders will lose their jobs

      – we are not going to cut working for families

      – I firmly believe in climate change and always have

      – We seek a 50% reduction in New Zealand’s carbon-equivalent net emissions, as compared to 1990 levels, by 2050. 50 by 50. We will write the target into law.

      – National Ltd™ will provide a consistent incentive for both biofuel and biodiesel by exempting them from excise tax or road user charges

      – I didn’t know about The Bretheren election tactics

      – If they came to us now with that proposal [re trans-Tasman Therapeutic Goods regime], we will sign it

      – I can’t remember my position on the 1981 Springbok Tour

      – Tranzrail shares

      – I did not mislead the House (1)

      – Lord Ashcroft

      – National Ltd™ would not have sent troops into Iraq

      – Standard & Poors credit downgrade

      – the double-down grade doesn’t really matter and its only about private sector debt

      – I did not mislead the House (2)

      – I didn’t say I want wages to drop

      – I can’t remember why I voted against increasing the minimum wage

      – the real rate of inflation is 3.3 percent.

      – the tourism sector has not lost 7,000 jobs

      – no I have never heard of Whitechapel

      – I won’t raise GST

      – people who are on the average wage and have a child are $48 a week better off after the rise in GST

      – the purchase of farmland, by overseas buyers will be limited to ten farms per purchase

      – the Pike River Mine was consented to under a Labour Government

      – no promises were made to get the remains of the miners out of the Pike River mine

      – I did not provide a view on the safety of the Pike River coalmine

      – I did not mislead the House (3)

      – capping, not cutting the public service

      – raising the minimum wage to $15 per hour will cost 6000 jobs

      – north of $50 a week

      – privatisation won’t significantly help the economy

      – wave goodbye to higher taxes, not your loved ones

      – I never offered Brash a diplomatic job in London

      – Tariana Turia is “totally fine” with the Tuhoe Treaty Claim deal

      – Kiwisaver

      – National Ltd™ is not going to radically reorganise the structure of the public sector

      – tax cuts won’t require additional borrowing

      – New Zealand does not have a debt problem

      – New Zealand troops in Afghanistan will only be involved in training, not fighting

      – the wage gap between New Zealand and Australia has closed under my National Ltd™ government

      – It took 9 years for Labour to make a complete and utter mess of the economy

      – National Ltd™ has changed the Overseas Investment Act to include 19 different criteria

      – the price of goods and services has risen by 6 percent since the last election, while the after-tax average wage has actually gone up by 16 percent

      – no, although its a week ago and here I am being interviewed on television about them, I havn’t seen Gerry Brownlee’s comments regarding demolitions in Christchurch and which caused such outrage, but I can talk all about them

      – our SAS soldiers were not involved in the Kabul Hotel gunfight

      – the use of the Vela brother’s helicopter was required so I could attend meetings relating to national/international security concerns

      – the DPS makes the decision about accompanying the Prime Minister or not, I had no choice but to take them on holiday to Hawaii

      – I did not mislead the House (4)

      – oh, maybe our SAS soldiers were in the Kabul hotel gun fight but they weren’t wounded by friendly fire

      – New Zealand has lost $12 billion from GDP due to the Christchurch earthquake . . . oh, it might actually be around $15 billion from GDP due to the Christchurch earthquake . . . Blinglish said what?

      – 10,000 houses will have to be demolished in Christchurch due to the earthquake

      – 14,000 new apprentices will start training over the next five years, over and above the number previously forecast

      – Our amendments to the ETS ensure we will continue to do our fair share internationally

      – we are committed to honouring our Kyoto Protocol obligations

      – any changes to the ETS will be fiscally neutral

      – New Zealand has grown for eight of the last nine quarters”

      – National Ltd™ will tender out the government banking contract

      – we will be back in surplus by 2014-15

      – Nicky Hager’s book “Other People’s Wars” is a work of fiction

      – unemployment is starting to fall

      – we have created 60,000 jobs

      – we have created 45,000 jobs

      – the 2011 Budget will create in the order of 170,000 jobs

      – I don’t know if I own a vineyard

      – no, I did not mislead the House (5)

      – the Isreali spy killed in the Christchurch quake had “only one” passport

      – the Police will not need to make savings by losing jobs

      – first I heard I heard about Kim Dotcom was on 19 January 2012

      – first I heard about the illegal spying on Kim Dotcom was in September

      – I did not mislead the House (6)

      – I voted to keep the drinking age at 20

      – New Zealand is 100% Pure

      – I’ve been prime minister for four years, and it’s really 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year

      – baseball in New Zealand is attracting more government support

      – the decision to buy brand new BMWs was made by the Department of Internal Affairs without reference either to their minister or to me

      – I didn’t have a clue that Ministerial Services, which I am in charge of, was going to buy brand new BMWs

      – even though two of my ministers knew all about it, I didn’t have a clue that brand new BMWs were being bought.

      – even though my Chief of Staff met with officials to discuss purchase of the the brand new BMWs, I didn’t have a clue

      – even though I personally signed papers discussing the matter, I still didn’t have a clue

      – Labour forced us into buying the brand new BMWs, its their fault

      – ummm, look, sorry about that BMW thing , it was because I was so upset about the death of a New Zealand soldier, and Julia Gillard was visiting too

      – the public demanded that we change the labour laws for The Hobbit

      – “The Hobbit” created 3000 new jobs

      – we have delivered 800 extra doctors in the public service

      – I did not mislead the House (7)

      – I wasn’t working at Elders when the sham foreign exchange deals took place

      – I was starting School Certificate exams in 1978

      – I don’t know who arrived on the CIA jet to visit the spies I am responsible for

      – reducing barriers to property developers will increase the availability of affordable housing

      – Labour left the economy in poor shape

      – forecasts show unemployment will fall

      – we have closed the wage gap with Australia by $27

      – Ngati Porou and Whanau Apanui are not opposed to mining

      – I have not had any meetings with Media Works

      – our [NZ's] terms of trade remain high

      – the TPP is an example of democracy

      – National Ltd™ will use the proceeds of state asset sales to invest in other public assets, like schools and hospitals

      – New Zealand troops will be out of Afghanistan by April 2013

      – overseas investment in New Zealand adds to what New Zealanders can invest on their own

      – overseas investment in New Zealand creates jobs, boosts incomes, and helps the economy grow

      – National Ltd™ will build 2000 houses over the next two years

      – there are only 4 New Zealand SAS soldiers in Bamiyan and all working in the area of logistics and planning only

      – selling state assets will give cash equity to those companies

      – the Sky City deal will provide 900 construction jobs and 800 casino jobs

      – the Sky City deal doesn’t mean more pokies

      – there was nothing improper about the Sky City deal

      – my office has had no correspondence, no discussions, no involvement with the Sky City deal

      – SkyCity will only get “a few more” pokie machines at the margins

      – any changes to gambling regulations will be subject to a full public submission process

      – Sky City has approached TVNZ about the purchase/use of government-owned land

      – I did not mislead the House (8)

      – the Auditor General has fully vindicated National over the Sky City deal

      – there’s a 50/50 chance the Hobbit is going off shore unless we do something

      – David Shearer has signed up for the purchase of shares in Mighty River

      – Solid Energy asked the government for a $1 billion capital investment

      – fracking has been going safely on in Taranaki for the past 30 years without any issues

      – no frontline positions will be lost at DOC

      – Iain Rennie came to me and recommended Fletcher for the GCSB job

      – I told Cabinet that I knew Ian Fletcher

      – I forgot that after I scrapped the shortlist for GCSB job I phoned a life-long friend to tell him to apply for the position

      – I told Iain Rennie I would contact Fletcher

      – for 30 years, or three decades, I didn’t have any dinners or lunches or breakfasts with Ian Fletcher

      – I did not mislead the House (9)

      – No, I did not say we would follow the US and Australia into a war against North Korea

      – I paid for that lunch and I’ve got the credit card bill to prove it

      – I called directory service to get Ian Fletcher’s number

      – I did not mislead the house (10)

      – I am honest and upfront

      – cyber terrorists have attempted to gain access to information about weapons of mass destruction held on New Zealand computers

      – the illegal spying on Kim Dotcom was an isolated incident

      – New Zealand has an arrangement to have asylum seekers processed in Australian detention camps

      – the law which says the GCSB cannot spy on New Zealanders is not clear

      – the only way net new jobs can be created is by private investors putting their money into businesses in New Zealand

      – an increase in the number of people looking for work indicates that confidence is returning to the economy

      – the 10 percent of taxpayers in New Zealand who are the top earners pay 76 percent of all net personal tax.

      – I did not mislead the House (11)

      – the substantial wage growth under Labour was eroded by inflation

      – National Ltd™’s 2010 tax changes were fiscally neutral

      – I did not mislead the House (12)

      – the bulk of New Zealanders earn between $45,000 and $75,000 a year

      – Pike River Coal did not put profits and its production ahead of the safety and lives of those 29 workers.

      – Radio Live had sought advice from the Electoral Commission about my show just before the election

      – it is because of National Ltd™’s policies that the price of fresh fruit and vegetables has dropped.

      – the length-of-the-country cycleway will create 4000 jobs.

      – police training for next year has not been cancelled

      – National Ltd™ has only cut back-office jobs in the health service

      – The Crown’s dividend stream from the Meridians, the Mighty Rivers of the world is large and there is no motivation to sell assets; actually we’re about creating assets not selling assets.”

      – National believes employment law should treat all parties fairly. It should . . . Protect employees and employers.

      – I am not trying to tackle such issues in a “fearful” way ahead of the next election

      – Wellington City is dying.

      – the GCSB has been prevented from carrying out its functions because of the law governing its functions

      – because the opposition is opposed the GCSB law ammendments, parliamentary urgency is required

      – the increasing number of cyber intrusions which I can’t detail or discuss prove that the GCSB laws need to be extended to protect prive enterprise

      – it was always the intent of the GCSB Act to be able to spy on New Zealanders on behalf of the SIS and police

      – National Ltd™ is not explanding the activities of the GCSB with this new law

      – National Ltd™ has been working on a number of things with New Zealand First on a number of things one of which has a financial component but I can’t talk about it

      – the best way to get growth in the economy is to reduce public debt

      – New Zealand mum and dad investors will be our number one priority in the allocation of Mighty River shares

      – we won’t let “cowboy” oil exploration companies operate here in New Zealand.

      – the food in schools programme is in the 2013 budget

      – the meat exports are being held up in China because of technical issues and in relation to the Chinese looking to trace counterfeit meat

      its notoriously difficult to win three elections in a row

      – I am deeply concerned about every child in New Zealand who is in poverty

      • gsays 15.2.1

        all well and good but judging by the gist of this post i fail to see things changing much with this mob (goff, king, faafoi and cosgrove) in power.
        the excuses offered were weak: you wanna tell someone you dont agree with them, you do it from your office, not in their entertainment suite funded by exploited addicts.
        maybe it is heresy to state this on this blog but perhaps the banner colour should be changed to a purple colour (but a kinda slightly redder shade of purple).

      • Chris 15.2.2

        I really think when people want to refer to this list they should just link to an older post. It is a great list if you are against National but it is very annoying to scroll past all the time.

        • tracey 15.2.2.1

          I wont apologise because some haven’t seen it and it is worthy of posting… even if you have to scroll down.

          • weka 15.2.2.1.1

            “I wont apologise because some haven’t seen it and it is worthy of posting… even if you have to scroll down.”

            I agree with Chris, it would be better to link with an introduction than post the whole thing (there are always going to be people who haven’t seen it, are you going to post it many times?). It takes 11 page downs on my laptop to get past it, and because I often come back and scroll through a thread to see new comments, I’ve had to do that multiple times today. I have a muscle disability, and extra scrolling like that is pretty tedious.

            It’s a great list, and really needs a website of it’s own that people can link to (although the ts link would be fine too).

            btw, I don’t know who Chris is, but am unclear why his simple and reasonable suggestion was met with ridicule and personal criticism.

        • freedom 15.2.2.2

          Awww, Cwissy is all annoyed at having to hit page down a couple of times. It is sooooo tough, boohoo. You really believe it is better that people are not exposed to the corruption spewing from the ninth floor? Only the ignorant ask for less knowledge.

          • Chris 15.2.2.2.1

            You’re right it is a small annoyance and not a big deal. It’s also not hard to fix and a link does the exact same job – potentially in a better away as there is often a natural tendency to skip over long comments (at least for me).

            Perhaps you could point out where I asked for less knowledge?

            While you probably didn’t participate in it, how often did people use to complain about Pete George’s old cut and paste jobs?

            • freedom 15.2.2.2.1.1

              “Perhaps you could point out where I asked for less knowledge? ”
              maybe if you spent some time conscientiously working through the list and considering the totality of its contents, you would discover you have answered your own question

              • Chris

                So nowhere then?

                • freedom

                  Your life and your knowledge are never static. After a few breaths, the view of re-experiencing information can offer fundamental opportunities to qualify a validation or confer attention upon overlooked details of the road ahead.

                  Even though you may know something, does not mean you cannot still learn from it. In this case it is also something that many others are only beginning to be aware of. Asking for its infrequent appearance to be withheld from new visitors skirts a hazardous berm, where having too many signposts creates a blindspot.

                  Like so many on our roads, you think it is all about you.

  16. jcuknz 16

    TED us right and the point is However Sky City make their money I am sure a proportion of it will arrive at Labour’s doostep .. that is the nature of the game [ life].

    You folk are all so virtuus, reading ‘DPF blunders again’. As an occasional visitor to confirm my views that you are on a whole little different to Kiwiblog, just another edge to the coin, Like the edge of little importance with all the backbiting and petty sniping discouraging much interest and certainly not votes. True there is a hell of a lot wrong with the country to my socialistic eyes, but at least the moderate centre course of the current Government is keeping life reasonably well … much better than Greece and other places. As a comedian said years ago when life was fairly rosy “You don’t know how lucky you are” with your myoptic outlook.

    I would add that I do not believe in the ‘three quote’ approach and I research who I deal with and go to the outfit I believe will do the best for me and mine. In this case it is costing the government nothing and if people waste their lives gambling that is their problem and should pay for it themselves instead of expecting the taxpayer to pick up the pieces.

    • BLiP 16.1

      Originally I migrated from Kiwiblog to The Standard because of the senseless slagging but as time passes I have returned to Kiwiblog for the same reason. I guess it is the frustration of the Left with nothing to say but name calling compared to the satisfaction of the Right knowing they are doing a good job in difficult conditions.

      How nice of you to pop back. Here, let me take your zimmerframe and settle you in to the comfy chair. Would you like a blanket over your knees . . . a cuppa and a gingernut, or maybe they’re a bit too firm, how about a digestive?

      . . . True there is a hell of a lot wrong with the country to my socialistic eyes, but at least the moderate centre course of the current Government is keeping life reasonably well . . . much better than Greece . . .

      Yes, indeed, much better than Greece. Isn’t that just wonderful. Now, you stay there for a sec, I’ll be right back.

      (Would someone keep an eye on jcuknz. I’ve got to pop out to the shops for a minute and I don’t want him pissing in the pot plants.)

      • rosy 16.1.1

        the current Government is keeping life reasonably well . . . much better than Greece

        Ambishus for Nu Zilind.

        Wonderful

  17. Nicolas 17

    People need to stop finding excuses for these “Labour” MPs… This wasn’t a simple matter of stupidity or Shearer’s bad “strategies”.
    This was a matter of ethics or, perhaps more appropriately, lack of such. National stinks but it’s instances like this that show how dangerously close some Labour MPs are to bordering John Key’s territory. Simply put, I would not trust these guys in power.
    Pretty funny how some clueless “strategist” here said Shearer should have talked about Labour’s problem being with “National, not Skycity”. Shearer doesn’t need a new PR, Ted; he needs his words to be a reflection of how he actually lives.

    That’s another reason why I’ll be voting Green next year: They’ve made it pretty clear they have a problem with National AND Skycity.

  18. Rosetinted 18

    What would we get on Trademe if started off NZ Government at $1 reserve?

  19. emergency mike 20

    So this is where we are at. Nact sells us out to corporate interests but they get off the hook because…
    some Labour MPs accepted their corporate box at the rugger.

    I agree the MPs must be thick as shit. Your party is making a major political issue about the government’s cozy shady dealings with Skycity, so you accept their corporate box and go drink their beer? It kind a looks like maybe you’re waiting for your turn to get some of that cozy shady dealings action. Or at least that’s what your opposition will imply. Duh. Was it good beer though?

    What bothers me more about this though is that Key & co are just saying “See! They do it too!” and the media and the TV watching drones just nod their heads. Two wrongs make it all go away. Well done Nu Ziland.

  20. weka 21

    “While it was stupid of Labour MPs to muddy the waters, the real scandal goes unremarked.”

    Yes it was stupid r0b, but not just stupid. It also signifies a lack of integrity. Other commenters have touched on this above. Those Labour MPs are now so entrenched in the bullshit that they simply fail to recognise that the problem is one of ethics and integrity. The stupid bit is merely that even without ethics and integrity one can recognise the PR failure ahead of time. But the real problem is not the stupidity but their beliefs about what is appropriate in the world they live in.

  21. gsays 22

    aarghh!
    ive just finished reading the article.
    cosgrove and faafoi thought it was ok and that it looks ok for us to pay for their flights to drink sky’s refreshments and watch the all blacks!
    my mother is fond of saying the labour party is for the working man.
    boy o boy the times have changed.
    (cue the sound of grunting and snorting of snouts in a trough, shouldering others out of the way so as to increase the afood available for meeee.)

    and the ultimate insult: key reckons this behaviour is ok!

  22. Santi 23

    Has D. Shearer provided any explanation?
    His “leadership” is non-existent. Robertson must be smiling and Cunliffe feel cheated, very cheated.

  23. Descendant Of Sssmith 24

    John Key sadly is right when he say Labour MP’s simply oppose for the sake of it.

    When you don’t believe in anything apart from some deluded ephemeral notion that you are left as opposed to some firm belief in things such as an 8 hour working day, 40 hour working week, low cost state housing for the poor, increased taxation to pay for things that matter, that workers should have the right to withdraw their labour, benefit rates should be liveable, etc etc then your job is done as you leave the chambers of parliament having made appropriate verbal farting noises during the session.

    Their opposition has been displayed with all the finesse of a muddied peacock and now they can mix and mingle with the moneylenders, the loansharks, the sellers of souls, the polluters of the environment, the takers of the workers wages….

    • tracey 24.1

      “ohn Key sadly is right when he say Labour MP’s simply oppose for the sake of it.” which is ironic cos that was his party was from 2002 to 2008.

  24. gobsmacked 25

    It is NOT about “stupidity”. It is NOT about “hindsight”.

    It took every one of us approx two seconds to work out there could be a problem with the Sky City connection. (Maybe it took ten seconds max, if it’s early and you need some caffeine).

    These MPs could work it out just as easily as any of us could. But … they went anyway. NOT because they didn’t think, but because they sinmply didn’t care.

    Why didn’t they care? Politics 101. Punishment versus Reward.

    Reward – the rugby and the freebies.

    Punishment – Zero. Zilch.

    There is no punishment because their leader is weak. Because they are in charge, not him. Because whatever else happens, all of them will be safely high on the party list, and they will still have their cosy job and freebies after 2014 (while the rest of us suffer more and more NACT shit). Even if Labour get 25%, these guys are gonna be just fine. And that’s all that matters.

    But there is also NO punishment because of misguided people like Anthony Robins and Tom Gould and a (dwindling) bunch of loyal Labour people who will always say the SAME thing, every single time …

    “I’m not happy with this latest episode, own goal number 483 and counting, but … you’ve still got my vote! And Shearer is our leader! So it’s fine, carry on guys, no consequences for you, bring on the next own goal, and the next, and …”

    Labout are better than National. That will still be true if Shearer drowns a kitten on live TV or Cosgrove says Nelson Mandela is a wanker, or … whatever they feel like. And as long as people in Labour – including those on here – ONLY ask Labour to be better then National, then you will get pissed on by your MPs again and again and again.

    There is one way to make these MPs get it, and that is by telling them straight that you will NOT support them any more. As long as you give them a free pass, they won’t change. Why would they?

    I have voted Labour at every election, including 2011. I will not vote for them next time.

    But if you want more of the same from the same people, just keep voting for it.

  25. Rodel 26

    What a fuss about nothing! I once saw Roger Douglas in a casino.Shock! Horror! Hey, .it was not important or of relevance to anything.
    In NZ both the left and the right love making volcanoes out of anthills, having typhoons in teacups and omitting to see the forest for the twigs..

    • Colonial Viper 26.1

      How can it be a “nothing”?

      How is your cute Roger Douglas anecdote relevant? Were they giving Sir Roger free food and drinks in as well?

    • emergency mike 26.2

      Was his party accusing their political opposition of dirty dealings with the casino at the time? Did they take him to the VIP room?

      If you’re going to post here at least have a clue what you’re talking about.

  26. freedom 27

    and still no mention in the media about the Prime Minister flat out lying about why Dunne had to be removed from the Intelligence and Security Committee. Why would there be? We live in an x-factor lalaland where Corporate hospo is obviously a far more crucial story.

    Brickbats all round for NZ MSM

    • gobsmacked 27.1

      If Shearer/Labour don’t understand the MSM, they should not be in their jobs.

      The story has gone on for days because Labour MPs allowed themselves to be “outed” one by one. They could have killed it on Monday by saying “We were the MPs” and it would have been a 24 hour embarrassment, now finished. Instead they acted like they had something to hide.

      There are many ways to “spin” (e.g. Clark’s curt dismissal and death stare, or Winston’s counter-attack on the media). But Shearer just breathes oxygen into these stories with his waffle.

      Some of us have been pointing out Labour’s communications failures for 4 or 5 years, but hey, Labour MPs knew better. So nothing changes.

      • freedom 27.1.1

        regardless of various troughers’ activities, ( remembering it is their votes in the House which should ideally be used to judge them ) the MSM chose to run with it as a lead story, refusing to cover the reality that our PM is repeatedly lying through his teeth on issues relating to the privacy; the security; and the democracy of new Zealand

        • Colonial Viper 27.1.1.1

          gs is right. Bad staff work, bad story line management. You are right too, but none of us have much influence over the actions of the MSM.

          • freedom 27.1.1.1.1

            and they should not let themselves be influenced
            aim for the clouds and you may land upon a mountain top

            • Colonial Viper 27.1.1.1.1.1

              the rate this is going some of us might end up thrown out of a plane. Does that count?

  27. amirite 28

    The sad truth is that hypocrisy of Labour is now the big story in the media, bigger than the deep shit that National is pushing the country into. The general public that watches the News or reads the Herald perceive it as such. They don’t care about the scab law, but they are happy to point their finger at the four past their use-by date Labour MPs and their inept leader. Makes me want to vote for the Greens.

  28. Tim 29

    “It’s a pretty sad state of affairs. National have sold out NZ law, run a rigged process to favour Sky City, and signed off on arrangements that will increase the social damage caused by problem gambling. There in the corporate box the Nat MPs were no doubt lined up deep at the trough of corporate largesse, wallowing further in a relationship which is already far too cozy. But this “government for sale” is just fine, doesn’t raise a media eyebrow.”

    Whilst I agree totally with what you say – it’s evidence for WHY this current Labour leadership JUST AIN’T up to it!

    They’re not thick (apparently) – they know (apparently) the right-wing spin and their agenda – they know the difficulties they face with the current disposition of the MSM …..
    YET they hand scoring points to this bugger’s muddle of a gubbamint on a silver platter almost daily.

    After a middle-age lifetime – they lost me (I didn’t lose them) and about 20 others I know in the same waka.
    I very much want to support them. They’ve fucked up, and do so DAILY.
    Comes a time when pushing shit uphill becomes unnecessarily messy.
    It’s time Labour bit the bullet now and put the long term welfare of the party, and the electorate they purport to represent AHEAD of the egos, the blind ambition and self-interest of half a dozen folk that have come to believe they’re ‘entitled’

    Keep it up though, and there’ll be a trans-Tasman example (if it keeps to its current course) to show an outcome

    • Colonial Viper 29.1

      I’m sure Australian Labor members will be loyal to the last and support their Leader going into…an electoral massacre

    • Paul 29.2

      If we take your thesis that the Labour leadership are not thick and know the right wing spin and agenda, then maybe, just maybe incidents joke the Sky City Corporate box are not accidents or random events, but deliberate actions.
      Some members of the Labour caucus have history. Maybe they are so owned by corporate interests that are merely doing their masters’ bidding.
      Ensure the neo-liberal experiment stays in place.
      Solution….either allow National to win another election or quietly follow basically the same policies as National in subjects such as gambling etc.

  29. Chrissy 30

    So,while all this is going on what is national up to?

  30. infused 31

    Fuck Shearer is awesome.

  31. infused 32

    Fuck Shearer is awesome.

  32. infused 33

    D-D-D-D-D Double post.

  33. newsense 34

    needed saying twice.

  34. Peter 35

    Commonsense suggests you need a good wotking relationship with Sky City and the power companies. It would be disadvantageous not to meet them socially at the highest level.

    • Colonial Viper 35.1

      First class tickets to Club Med paid for by Sky City are the only way to go.

  35. freedom 36

    Getting a nagging feeling the only action Shearer could have taken to the satisfaction of the real hypocrites is for him to have stormed into the Sky City box, grabbed his MP’s by the lugholes and marched them out with stern promises to ban all gaming privileges and no dessert for a week. :roll:

  36. tc 37

    So the real leaders of labour do as they please as they know DS can’t do anything against them, trev probably let chris take his place. DS is made to look ineffective and lacking authority…..again.

    Labour will be a minor party after 2014, it’s as inevitable as the old guard are nasty and past their use by dates. Looking very much a spent force these days.

    • Paul 37.1

      They deserve to be if they think this is how to reflect the needs of the vulnerable and weak of Auckland.
      I think that Labour are so tainted by its actions in the 1980s that they cannot free themselves from the neo-liberal trap they fell into then. Of course Goff was part of that government and as a result he is highly compromised. The Labour Party, until it completely and unreservedly renounces its actions of the Douglas era, cannot make a true link with the working people of NZ.
      Some of them don’t want to change the neo-liberal paradigm as they still believe the no alternative argument; others are so fatally compromised they can do nothing. These ‘Labour’ leaders have supped with he corporate devil for a long time and are in debt to business.
      Labour needs new leadership and members of parliament – not the careerists presently in power.

  37. BM 38

    I actually wonder if there’s a bit more to this story.

    Doesn’t it strike you as strange that all the heavy hitters in the current Labour line up would be meeting up in a Sky city box and Shearer won’t let on who he was meeting?

    Taking a wild stab in the dark, I’d say that they were having a off the camera discussion with the Sky city management to discuss their position regarding the conference center, smooth the waters, let them no that they’re actually all for the deal and that their vocal opposition is purely political.

    • fender 38.1

      You should try turning the light on.

      Didn’t they say they were trying to procure season passes for 35 years?

    • marty mars 38.2

      shearers probably pissed they got to spend more time with the mystery person and the reason he just about threw his phone against the wall is he is upset that he didn’t accept the invite so he missed out on having a longer chat with that person that he knew was in the box

  38. gobsmacked 39

    Sky City’s PR guy is Goff’s former chief of staff:

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1207/S01014/skycity-new-general-manager-corporate-communications.htm

    Anyone still believe that puppet Shearer is committed to scrap Key’s cosy deal?

    • karol 39.1

      Just when I think it can’t get any worse. What is that guy thinking?

      • Paul 39.1.1

        He is the right wing’s secret weapon.
        He’s thinking mission accomplished.

      • Rhinocrates 39.1.2

        It’s not one guy, it’s the whole self-entitled gang of troughers on the front bench. I thought that self-awareness was a quality of wisdom that comes with age, and maybe it does for some, but the sheer solipsism of this lot refutes that as a general rule.

    • marty mars 39.2

      Corporates don’t invite politicians to their corporate box without a very good business reason – anyone who thinks this is about rugby is gullible in the extreme.

      • Rob 39.2.1

        Yep but the big news is that they have all accepted the invite to Mighty River Powers box at AMI stadium on Saturday. I understand that Craig Investment Partners are hosting them , should be a real top night out .

  39. Anne 40

    It’s beginning to become clearer now what may have happened. This guy Gordon Thompson was Goff’s chief press secretary and was also a former press secretary to Helen Clark. During his tenure at the Beehive, he would have come to know all the senior Labour figures (past and present) well.

    I wonder if the invites to the four Labour MPs were directly sent through him, which would explain why the Office of the Leader of the Opposition appear to have not known about them. I’m sure if they had, Shearer would have been informed. It doesn’t let any of the 4 MPs off the hook. In fact it makes it worse. I can’t believe they didn’t contemplate how it would look if they were spotted. Was the desire to attend with all the fancy trimmings just too tempting for them to give up?

    I’m feeling sorry for Shearer. He’s no more clairvoyant than the rest of us. His own most senior supporters let him down. Better it should happen now and not in 12 month’s time.

    • Colonial Viper 40.1

      Pretty sure that Shearer said in the Radio Live interview that he had a choice to accept the SkyCity corporate invite or go with the NZRU corporate invite. There is also no reason to believe that the MPs who went were the only MPs invited to go. The MPs who went, went to dinner together beforehand, so they communicated with each other, at least.

    • Boadicea 40.2

      1. Any large corporate organising invitations to an Eden Park box for an AB gig put a lot of thought into the planning. There are only sixteen positions in a box. If four are for the hosts then twelve are for the guests.
      2. The CEO and the senior management team will be involved in the guest selection and invitations.
      3. The hosts will have a bio and “talking points” briefing on each guest.
      4. Only C level guests are invited to AB gigs and every invite has a specific intent.

      Likewise senior people lookout for box invites to AB games. It is the top networking event.
      You can de very sure that all the MPs were aware of the invites each other had. Shearer was aware also. Shearer has lied.

  40. Blanche Charles 41

    The media and other critics have lost sight of the fact that all they did was attend a football match. Once upon a time people could do that without having to consider whether or not it was “PC”. But corporate sponsorship has changed all that. It’s a sad day when people can’t do a basic thing like attend a sports match without first having to weigh up political consequences. Rugby matches are now only available for the well-heeled to watch live on TV and it seems that only Tories may – thanks to their shonky politics – attend them. (Personally, I’m not a rugby fan, but I deplore the fact that only certain segments of our society may now enjoy the live game).

    • rosy 41.1

      It’s a sad day when people can’t do a basic thing like attend a sports match without first having to weigh up political consequences.

      If they paid for the tickets themselves and sat in the stands with their mates instead of in a corporate box then there would be no having to weigh up the political consequences. It’s not like they don’t get paid enough to splurge on a game now and then if it’s important enough, or have Sky at home. Otherwise they can be like the rest who want their rugby in a social environment and go to the local sports bar and watch.

      Imo, when government officials (elected or paid) gets an invite to a social function from a corporate so as to ‘build relationships’ or ‘communicate’ it suits the corporate agenda and compromises the official. Invites to social events are all business – decline, and do the business in a minuted business environment.

  41. Blanche Charles 42

    BTW, invitations to all sorts of high-profile events flood into [all] MPs’ / Ministers’ offices all the time. There’s no discrimination between political parties, so the fact that Sky City’s PR officer is a former Labour staffer has no particular relevance to this particular situation. It’s a fair bet that all Cabinet ministers and probably most other MPs would have been invited – just one of the many invitations to arrive in their offices each day. So far we know of 4 Labour MPs who attended a rugby match. Big deal. Let’s get upset about important matters like a government which is legislating against people taking a tea break, or permitting employers to cut youth wages by 20%, for starters!!

    • Colonial Viper 42.1

      Labour staffer has no particular relevance to this particular situation. It’s a fair bet that all Cabinet ministers and probably most other MPs would have been invited – just one of the many invitations to arrive in their offices each day.

      Haha doubt it. Anyway if what you say is true, then the entire Labour caucus knew that this event was coming up and thought it was OK to attend.

      In my experience corporate organisers are usually very careful not to invite guests from rival suppliers or rival political parties to the same small numbers event, unless there is a specific agenda.

      • Blanche Charles 42.1.1

        In my time I’ve had to deal with invitations that come into a number of their offices. On the whole MPs accept very few – depends on their other commitments. Their usual heavy workload doesn’t spare them much time to attend most of the events they’re invited to. Putting aside the wisdom or otherwise of attending this particular event, 4 out of 31 is hardly a huge proportion.

        “Anyway if what you say is true, then the entire Labour caucus knew that this event was coming up and thought it was OK to attend.

        Nobody can conclude that. Invitations arrive separately in each office and are initially dealt with by their staff member. They don’t invite the caucus, en bloc. Invitations are pretty low on the list of important daily matters for MPs and hardly a matter for major discussion. Can’t imagine that “invitations” would be on a caucus agenda. (They might in future, though). ;-)

        “In my experience corporate organisers are usually very careful not to invite guests from rival suppliers or rival political parties to the same small numbers event, unless there is a specific agenda.”

        There’s more than one corporate box in these places – they needn’t be invited to share the same one. But that’s being unnecessarily melodramatic. Funnily enough, during their working week in Wellington MPs / Cabinet Ministers all eat in the same cafe and stand together in the same queue waiting for their meals or coffee and pass the time of day with each other in a perfectly civilised manner. MPs of different parties sit on committees together, travel in the same lifts and even manage to sit next to each other on plane trips without WW3 breaking out.

        They mix with each other the rest of the time so why not at a public function?

        • Colonial Viper 42.1.1.1

          They mix with each other the rest of the time so why not at a public function?

          Very cute interpretation of “public function”. The Sky City corporate box was open to the public? I don’t think so.

          Nobody can conclude that. Invitations arrive separately in each office and are initially dealt with by their staff member. They don’t invite the caucus, en bloc…and hardly a matter for major discussion. Can’t imagine that “invitations” would be on a caucus agenda.

          Funny then how the Labour MPs all ended up at dinner before hand, not by co-ordination and planning, but by accident. What are the chances.

          In my time I’ve had to deal with invitations that come into a number of their offices.

          Always pleased to converse with a Labour Parliamentary staffer. I didn’t think you guys read The Standard.

          • gobsmacked 42.1.1.1.1

            Blanche Charles perfectly demonstrates what is wrong with Labour today.

            Anybody who exists outside the building would be able to give the MPs a big warning light as soon as they saw the invitation from Sky City. Only a prisoner of the insular world of Wellington could miss it.

            Next time you need help from the outside world, give us a call. We could have saved you a week of trouble.

            • Colonial Viper 42.1.1.1.1.1

              Too bad NZers outside the beltway are either considered the enemy, or at the very least, painfully ignorant and naive.

            • Blanche Charles 42.1.1.1.1.2

              To Gobsmacked – That’s fine but I’m not a Labour staffer. I’m merely a person who has worked for both parties in a non-political role and who is reading this melodramatic stuff. Don’t jump to conclusions.

            • Descendant Of Sssmith 42.1.1.1.1.3

              Yeah the issue isn’t the accepting of the invitation it’s the hypocracy of alleging a business did a shonky deal with government during the week and then cavorting with them in the weekend and completely ignoring the likely possibility of how that would be perceived either by the media or by the public.

              Seriously how many people here would have, if they were a politician, having made such accusations – or their party had – against any business week after week, under the full glare of the media spotlight including front page and lead stories on TV, not simply said “uh uh not me, that would be dumb and would have the potential to embarrass myself and my party”.

              It seems so obvious and these people are supposed to be trained in understanding the political implications and perceptions of conflict of interest.

          • Blanche Charles 42.1.1.1.2

            “In my time” – doesn’t necessarily mean current. Now unemployed. Don’t jump to conclusions. I never claimed to be either a Labour or a Parliamentary staffer. I worked for them – and the current lot, for that matter – in the other (ministerial) building. (Two different employers: Parliamentary Services & Ministerial Services).

            “Funny then how the Labour MPs all ended up at dinner before hand, not by co-ordination and planning, but by accident. What are the chances.”

            Another conspiracy theory, perhaps? Of course they talk to each other! They would have organised to meet for dinner when they learned that they were each going – maybe they discovered it if/when they were on the same plane. Who knows (or cares!) They’ve got to eat somewhere, for goodness sake. But what’s the crime in that and why the heck do people have to make it sound like a big deal.

            “Very cute interpretation of “public function”. The Sky City corporate box was open to the public? I don’t think so.”

            Very cute interpretation of my comment, too. Nowhere did I say that SC corp box was open to the public! I merely asked a general question (in response to your comment, which did not mention any particular event or place, either).- my question: why MPs of different parties couldn’t mix at a (meaning “any”) public function (meaning ” function with members of the public”), given that they mix together, of necessity, in the course of their day in Wellington.

            That question was not referring specifically to Sky City or to anywhere else – it was addressing the quaint notion that members of opposing political parties can’t be expected to mix at a gathering. viz: “In my experience corporate organisers are usually very careful not to invite guests from rival suppliers or rival political parties to the same small numbers event, unless there is a specific agenda”.

            • Colonial Viper 42.1.1.1.2.1

              Your complicated, subtle and multilayered excuses might sway the 2% who look at the world with beltway glasses.

              Very cute interpretation of my comment, too. Nowhere did I say that SC corp box was open to the public!

              Of course you didn’t you just said they were meeting up (in a security controlled invitation only Corporate Box) at a public event. You missed out the security controlled invitation only Corporate Box part.

              Another conspiracy theory, perhaps?

              LOL! First you say there was probably no communication or discussion between Labour MPs before the event, then you say of course they discovered their mutual invitations and talked about getting together for dinner beforehand. Stellar stuff.

            • Colonial Viper 42.1.1.1.2.2

              Your complicated, subtle and multilayered excuses might sway the 2% who look at the world with beltway glasses.

              • McFlock

                First you say there was probably no communication or discussion between Labour MPs before the event, then you say of course they discovered their mutual invitations and talked about getting together for dinner beforehand.

                How on earth did you manage to misunderstand BC to that degree?

                It’s pretty simple:
                1) unbeknownst to each other, various MPs get invites to the skycity box. Most decline but four from Labour stupidly accept.
                2) sometime between the invitations and the event, the four discover that they’re all going to the rugby.
                3) so they decide to have dinner beforehand.

                They might have discovered thecoincidence on the plane, in small-talk in the lobby, or from their mutual acquaintance the SC-GM (Goff’s former staffer). Yes, they were politically stupid for going to the SC box, but you don’t need a big conspiracy theory to say that. Nor do you need to invent backstories for commenters.

                • Colonial Viper

                  Yes of course what was I thinking, all the MPs who thought of accepting the invite managed to identify each other through general small talk and coincidence, but no one else cottoned on eg all the other MPs who were also invited but thought better (eg Shearer) didn’t happen to overhear any of those conversations.

                  • Ad

                    Anyone imagine Heather Simpson didn’t do a Friday audit of diaries? Not hard.

                    Clark held it for 3 terms with huge diary discipline. Blanche is utterly naive.

                    I’ve done it with Mayors offices, corporate Board members, major CE’s.

                    Even Toby Ziegler knew how to coordinate diaries for maximum hit.

                    FFS. It’s called political management.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Ad – yep. You can see a professional political management machine in action happen from a mile away.

                      Look at the drumbeat of what they are doing to Snowden now. First they say he didn’t earn as much as he said he did. Then he was unethical in breaking his confidentiality agreement and trust his employer had given him. Then there’s no way he had access to the systems and information he said he did. Now it’s checking for possibilities that he might have been working for a foreign power all along and different congressmen coming forwards saying look, we should have known more about this surveillance before but we’ve been briefed now and it looks fine and legal to us.

                      It really is beautiful, in a creepy way, to watch.

                    • Poission

                      “we should have known more about this surveillance before but we’ve been briefed now”

                      The tax haven information could only have come from a government agency,as the access involved multiple servers across a great number of Jurisdictions.

                      The GOP ( or its various interNATtional franchises) are is going to have a hard time validating that model to their customer base who most probably being doing hard time.

                      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/14/offshore-tax-haven-_n_3443722.html

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Did you notice Snowden saying earlier that his watching the agencies compromise and turn a Swiss banker using a drink driving charge was one of the events which made him realise that there was a problem with the system.

                  • McFlock

                    You must be right, CV.
                    They all got into a little corner and decided to lobby skycity for invitations, just to give you something to bitch about.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Yeah that’s just as likely as your scenario where 100% of the people who said yes to the invitation managed to find each other by coincidence, but 100% of the people who declined or who were not invited didn’t hear a thing about it, again by sheer coincidence.

                      Could it happen? Sure, there is an alternate reality somewhere where that 0.2% probability came through and maybe that’s where you are saying we are now.

                    • McFlock

                      but 100% of the people who declined or who were not invited didn’t hear a thing about it, again by sheer coincidence.

                      there you go, randomly adding shit that didn’t happen and running off on a tangent again.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      That’s what I’m saying. It’s the shit which didn’t happen which is also informative.

                    • McFlock

                      fs, it’s like you switch off half your braincells whenever the labour caucus is mentioned.

                      Your description of “my scenario” is that the entire labour caucus (100% of those who were going and 100% of those who weren’t going) knew that those four were going to the rugby and exactly whose corporate box they would be in.

                      Even those people who don’t give a shit about rugby.

                      And nobody said it might be a bad look.

                    • Rhinocrates

                      Fine, make whatever excuses you like, rearrange the deck chairs however you like. They’ve mishandled it, it’s blown up in their faces, they looking like troughing self-entitled incompetents and handed ammunition to the Tories and undermined a crucial policy. Yet again.

                      At the end of the day, thats how it looks because that’s how they’ve allowed it to look. Speculation about possible motives and whatnot don’t matter in the least.

                    • McFlock

                      Damn, there goes me stalking rhino again.

                    • Rogue Trooper

                      Elephant in the gun.

                    • Rhinocrates

                      Care to say anything of substance McF, instead of projecting the usual personal insinuations that you accuse everyone else of using?

                      The fact is, you do have something to contribute and some good points to make. Your attempts to denigrate and intimidate individuals (which you have been warned about) here do you no credit.

                    • Rogue Trooper

                      Ambush!

                    • McFlock

                      damn, there I go again.

                    • Rogue Trooper

                      It is a burning bush.

                    • Olwyn

                      This corporate box business would have less traction if Labour (a) owned and defended a position, and (b) were trusted. Presently, they do not and are not.

                    • McFlock

                      @Olwyn

                      Personally, I don’t think it has any traction at all. Except for some folk here,of course.

                    • Rhinocrates

                      I had a lifelong loyalty to Labour, and I admire the policy the PARTY is producing. I am really, really, REALLY concerned about both the competence and commitment of the front bench of the caucus, and based on their actions – their competence – especially their competence – and their ideological commitment – I cannot support them.

                      There are eight hundred thousand registered voters who painted their roofs in 2011.

                      I need to see a government in waiting. The reason why eight hundred thousand painted their roofs and why Shearer’s mob persistently, despite all the gifts that Key’s banksters give them, is that they are not a government in waiting.

                    • Descendant Of Sssmith

                      It doesn’t have traction cause it’s not really surprising. As noted Labour stand pretty much for the same stuff as National. The only surprise is that Mallard wasn’t there as well.

                    • Rhinocrates

                      Personally, I don’t think it has any traction at all. Except for some folk here,of course.

                      I’m glad that makes you feel well “personally”.

                      However, it does have traction and that’s obvious in the media, and it will be used in the 2014 campaign debates.

                      Here are things that I believe in:

                      Enlightenment

                      Immortality

                      Laphroaig

                      Chocolate

                      J. S. Bach (performed by Glenn Gould)

                      Joy Division

                      Titian

                      Turner

                      Rubbra

                      Beethoven

                      Shostakovich

                      Brian Eno

                      Rem Koolhaas

                      (can’t stand Brahms, sorry, trying to get to know Wagner…)

                      And so on.

                      Now, what is my ability to ensure that everyone gets to know and love them?

                      Very little, I assure you, because nice thoughts aren’t enough.

                      Now, wait for “Show me the money!” Key’s going to use that, and even if he’s deposed, Collins will.

                      And Shearer will say,

                      “Um, ah, well…”

                      I’m waiting for competence, consistency and core belief to deliver what I need, not what I’d like to believe. I don’t see it – and every week, I see yet another demonstration of incompetence, shallowness, self-entitlement and cupidity.

                      Have a look at the polls, stop hoping and start asking some questions.

                    • McFlock

                      @DoSsssmith:

                      mallard should have learnt his lesson after the trademe ticket thing.

                    • Rhinocrates

                      mallard should have learnt his lesson after the trademe ticket thing.

                      So then, has he?

                      Again, I’m not interested in hope, I’m interested in proof. It seems that Goof, King, Someone, wosshisname, Cosgrove something and Chris Mini-Me something the paratrooper still haven’t. Some of them are supposedly “veterans”, I gather.

                    • McFlock

                      whoops, I stalked someone again.

                    • Rhinocrates

                      Oh FFS, how about trying to make a positive contribution yourself, since you’re so concerned that others aren’t?, or is it all about scoring petty personal points?

                      All I see from you in relation to anyone else on this blog is personal denigration and snide innuendoes. Clearly I’m not your only target, but nonetheless, as I’ve said, you’ve a lot to contribute, but your obsession with attacking individual posters is seriously undermining your argument and says more about you than them or myself.

                      The fact is that your posting has been very personal, intended to denigrate and intimidate individuals.

                      That is a pity, since your criticisms of the Tories are appropriate.

                      And I’ve had experience of a stalker, from the wrong end of it, and you might find it laughable, but I assure you, you do not want to experience it… and I know that no stalker ever consciously admits that they are one, but they nonetheless keep acting like one – and you fit the pattern.

                    • This wasn’t political stupidity by the SC4 it was the opposite – they all knew what they were doing and they didn’t give a fuck because there were bigger issues to be dealt with and the political fallout was meaningless because whatever they were there for is/was more important to them. They knew what it would look like and they didn’t care – that is where the direction of any speculation should begin – why didn’t they care.

                    • Rhinocrates

                      Actually, this highlights the nature of abuse.

                      Contrary to stereotype, I was stalked by an abusive woman, but I know that in most cases, it is abusive men stalking women. Always, the stalker thinks that they are the innocent party – because it is their right, and their right alone, to determine what is abusive and they’ll trivialise their effect to establish their own determination of what constitutes “attack”. That in itself is a power ploy. They try constantly, obsessively, to establish their position either as superior or as justified in some way, by belittling, by ridicule, by insisting on some sin that they might almost forgive if certain hoops were jumped through.

                      If this sounds familiar, do not blame yourself, just get out, get whatever protection you can, immediately.

                    • McFlock

                      @marty

                      Interesting theory, but I think that if they were there for nefarious purposes then they were fools to meet so publicly. I’m sure sc were after “networking time”, but I reckon the mps saw free rugby tickets.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      We’re all thankful for your leaping to the defence

                    • McFlock

                      @ rhino
                      No. I do not want to debate with you. I would be quite happy if you never addressed me, replied to my comments, or cut&paste-quoted me ever again, and vice versa.

                      In fact I quite hope that this is the last comment I ever address to you directly.

                      Any value from cogent points either of us might make is more than negated by the fact that we are obviously on fundamentally different wavelengths.

                      So kindly fuck off, there’s a good chap.

                    • Rhinocrates

                      Of course, it’s all about you, isn’t it?

                      It’s not.

                      Take your own advice. Back off. I told you repeatedly to do so, but you wouldn’t. Stop trying to pretend that you’re the unfairly accused victim.

                      It’s not up to you to determine the harm that you do. There are no points for you to claim. You do not have that power, much as you would like to have it.

                      I hope that this is the one lesson you take from this so that you do not inflict your behaviour on others in your physical space, and that is the lesson that others who might be in abusive relationships learn for their sakes and safety.

                    • @McFlock Good point mate :)

                    • McFlock

                      *head desk*

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    Labour MPs travelling to Wellington today for their first post-election caucus will have their heads crammed full of theories, accusations and advice from all and sundry. But here's the message for them to keep front and centre whichever direction they...
    Pundit | 22-09
  • Key’s victory no mandate for dirty energy
    “What matters most is not who is sitting in the White House, but "who is sitting in" -- and who is marching outside the White House, pushing for change.” – Howard Zinn.The opportunity to create genuine transformation in society often...
    Greenpeace NZ blog | 22-09
  • Time for a Bluegreen Party
    Congratulations to the National Party. To increase your majority in your third term indicates solidly, reflects public confidence in the leadership team and an endorsement that one’s policies are more attuned to the preferences of voters than those offered up...
    Gareth’s World | 22-09
  • Inevitable Labour pontification post
    Labour are having their caucus meeting today: step one in the post-mortem of what went wrong in the election. There’s already the inevitable talk about Labour’s values, and Labour needing to reconnect with the voters so here’s my take, which...
    DimPost | 22-09
  • Where to now for transport in Auckland?
    In some respects Saturday night’s election result changes nothing from a transport perspective. It seems as though the government that will be formed over the next three years will be remarkably similar to that we’ve had for the past three...
    Transport Blog | 22-09
  • The strategic dimension to a third term
    Government is always a balancing act. For this term the balance is between an urge in the National party for business-friendly action and staying in touch with the wider public. It doesn’t matter for that balancing act whether National keeps...
    Colin James | 22-09
  • Top 5 Scoop Press Releases Week To 20th Sep 2014
    Article – Scoop Insights The following five press releases were the top performing press releases (by NZ page view numbers) according to Google Analytics on Scoop for the seven days to 20th September 2014.Top 5 Scoop Press Releases Week To...
    Its our future | 22-09
  • The rebuild
    Morgan Godfery has described his sense of alienation in the days preceding last Saturday’s election – when poll after poll painted an ever-more-accurate picture of the scale of National’s eventual victory – as being akin to ‘a full-scale culture shock’....
    Bat bean beam | 22-09
  • Gordon Campbell on the troubled aftermath of Scotland’s vote
    Column – Gordon Campbell A week can be a very long time in Scotland’s 300 year struggle for independence. The “ No” vote last week that seemed to end the cause of Scottish independence for a generation, has turned out...
    Gordon Campbell | 22-09
  • Deranged
    Saturday's result was a shock for the left. And for some, it was apparently so shocking that it can only have been the result of fraud. So they're petitioning the head of the Electoral Commission for a recount. Naturally, they...
    No Right Turn | 22-09
  • The Wall Street Journal downplays global warming risks once again
    As has become the norm for media outlets owned by Rupert Murdoch, just before a half million people participated in the People’s Climate March around the world, The Wall Street Journal published an opinion piece downplaying the risks and threats...
    Skeptical Science | 22-09
  • Kiwis concerned about the TPPA: Day of Action
    Saturday.November 8 . 1.00 pmAuckland ~> Aotea Square Facebook EventHamilton ~> Garden PlaceFacebook EventWellington ~> The Bucket Fountain Facebook EventChristchurch ~> tbc Facebook EventTimaru ~> Bay Hill Piazza Facebook Event...
    Watchblog Aotearoa | 22-09
  • Stuart’s 100 #30 Small is Beautiful
    30: Small is Beautiful What if we decided small can be beautiful? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and the beholder sees beauty through the lens of what they hold dear. When it comes to lifestyle beauty relates...
    Transport Blog | 22-09
  • Carbon News headlines 22/9/14: If the PM doesn’t worry about climate chan...
    Welcome to a new regular feature on Hot Topic: the week’s Carbon News headlines, brought to you every Monday. Carbon News is an NZ-published web newsletter covering climate and carbon news from around the world, published and edited by experienced...
    Hot Topic | 22-09
  • Some acting experience an advantage but not required.
    If David Cunliffe were an actor, his preferred acting style might best be described as Shakespearean – declamatory, expansive, grand in tone and gesture, rich in soliloquy. It is a style suited to the stage but unfortunately totally unsuited to...
    Brian Edwards | 22-09
  • Labour and Greens voters are more alike than different
    Most political analysis in New Zealand seems trapped in the two-party winner-takes-all world, or perhaps they are numerically challenged by the number which comes after two. Whichever, to discuss the National-Labour divide without mentioning the Greens is almost pointless. (I’ll...
    Pundit | 22-09
  • The truth about our ‘rockstar economy’
    There were knowing smiles among economists when earlier this year John Key set the election date a couple of months early. He told us it was because there were various international gatherings that the prime minister had to attend. But...
    Pundit | 22-09
  • Post-election blues
    Frank Macskasy has written an interesting piece on the Daily Blog about things Labour needs to take away from this election.Some people picked him up on his claim that National has not increased its vote over 2011, pointing out that the special...
    Te Whare Whero | 22-09
  • The minor parties – some thoughts & questions
    The Greens They ran a blinder of a campaign. Their polling numbers were looking great, as they closed on 15% in some polls. Then they got just 10.02% on the night (although their vote share is likely to rise by...
    Occasionally erudite | 22-09
  • The threshold has to go
    Another election, and once again we've been reminded of the unfairness the two major parties built into MMP in an effort to stack it for themselves and prevent competition. ACT got 14,510 votes and one seat in Parliament, while the...
    No Right Turn | 22-09
  • Was Scotland’s referendum rigged?
    Things haven't gone well in Scotland after their historic referendum to choose whether they became independent from Britain or not.As it turns out, an apparent majority of 55.3% chose to stay with mother England.However, there has been a growing disquiet...
    The Jackal | 22-09
  • Don’t you get tired of this?
    I have seen so much of this lately: And this: And in so many cases when we challenge this cherry-picking and confirmation bias we get this:...
    Open Parachute | 22-09
  • Don’t you get tired of this?
    I have seen so much of this lately: And this: And in so many cases when we challenge this cherry-picking and confirmation bias we get this:...
    Open Parachute | 22-09
  • Access: You Can Call Me Brave Now
    People say I’m brave when they see me in my wheelchair. That can be frustrating. I’m not brave just because I happen to have a disability. There are, however, instances in my life where I have had to find a...
    Public Address | 22-09
  • New Fisk
    John Kerry’s rhetoric on Isis insults our intelligence and conceals the reality of the situation in Syria...
    No Right Turn | 22-09
  • MMP, electorates, and misaligned incentives
    Amongst the post-election entrail reading, I've seen a couple of people suggest that one of the reasons labour lost was due to a lack of tactical voting by Greens. If only Green supporters had held their nose and voted tactically...
    No Right Turn | 22-09
  • On a wave of mutilation : where to now for Labour?
    2014 was a disaster. Unfortunately for Labour, the disaster has now been surpassed. The party will be beginning (another) process of determining what went wrong, and what can be done to fix things. I hope they don’t throw all of...
    Occasionally erudite | 22-09
  • O’Connell St officially opened, time to close it again?
    On Friday evening the new O’Connell St shared space was officially opened. The street is by far the best shared space created in Auckland to date thanks in large part to the historic buildings in the area which feel like they’ve been...
    Transport Blog | 22-09
  • The issues that matter
    I'm not bitter and twisted. No, really, I'm not. Much....
    Imperator Fish | 22-09
  • Upcoming MOOC makes sense of climate science denial
    In collaboration with The University of Queensland, Skeptical Science is developing a MOOC, or Massive Online Open Course, that makes sense of climate science denial. The Denial101x MOOC will launch in March 2015 on the EdX platform. Registration has just opened...
    Skeptical Science | 21-09
  • Where to from here for National?
    If John Key wants to have a stab at a fourth term as Prime Minister, there’ll be no one in the party to stop him. He’s weathered the Dirty Politics and Moment of Truth storms, and come out the other...
    Occasionally erudite | 21-09
  • Things you can do about global warming now we have a new do-nothing governm...
    Australia’s brilliant First Dog On The Moon on climate action (courtesy of The Tree), deemed by me to be relevant in the aftermath of an election that has delivered New Zealand another three years of National-led government, and therefore little...
    Hot Topic | 21-09
  • Semi-diamonds in the very rough
    In the midst of the Labour soul-searching (which may be ongoing for some time) I want to give some praise for three especially good Labour performers in the election: The first is Stuart Nash. Stuart has worked his butt off...
    Polity | 21-09
  • A failure to properly report on Climate Change
    I'm not sure if you've noticed the mainstream media, after a grueling 2014 general election, are too engrossed with their continued promotion of brand Key to bother properly reporting on matters of more importance like Climate Change events.While the international...
    The Jackal | 21-09
  • Maritimes magazine Spring 2014 edition online now
    The latest news and views for maritime workers...
    MUNZ | 21-09
  • The deconstruction – what went down
    So, in the end it wasn’t even close. Unless the special votes are dramatically out of kilter with the votes counted on election night, National has the numbers to govern alone. The worse-case scenario now for National is that they...
    Occasionally erudite | 21-09
  • Reality-adjacent
    John Key and David Cunliffe both spent much of the election campaign talking about the dreaded “things that New Zealanders really care about”. But Key, under direct attack, was much more disciplined about sticking to those things. The metacampaign, Dirty...
    Kiwipolitico | 21-09
  • Hold fast to your Mana – Harawira
    Hone Harawira today called on the voters of Tai Tokerau to hold fast to their mana, and not be dictated to by those party leaders who have ganged together to tell them how to vote. “I call on our people...
    Mana | 18-09
  • Media Advisory – Interview availability
    This is to advise all media that Hone Harawira will be available in Auckland tomorrow, Friday the 19th of September from 7am to 4pm for interviews relating to his recent press releases. If you are interested in interviewing Mr Harawira on...
    Mana | 18-09
  • Labour stands on proud record on Suffrage Day
    Women have come a long way in the 121 years since New Zealand became the first country to give them the vote on September 19 1893, but there is still more to do, Labour’s Women’s Affairs spokesperson Carol Beaumont says....
    Labour | 18-09
  • Polling Booths asked to treat Maori voters with respect
    “Polling booths without Maori roll voting papers, Maori people not being offered assistance to vote, people getting sent from Whangarei to Wellsford to vote, Maori people getting turned away from voting because they didn’t have their ‘easy vote’ card, Maori...
    Mana | 17-09
  • Aussie Liberals embroiled in Key campaign
    John Key needs to explain why Australia’s Liberal Party is interfering in New Zealand domestic politics and is encouraging Kiwi voters across the ditch to vote for National just days out from the election, Labour’s campaign spokesperson Annette King says....
    Labour | 17-09
  • The MANA Plan for Beneficiaries and Income in Waiariki
    Median Personal Income for Waiariki is $21,700. Over 13,000 Maori who live in Waiariki rely upon a form of government benefit including the Unemployment Benefit, Sickness Benefit, Domestic Purpose Benefit and the Invalids Benefit. “If you’re lucky enough to have...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Māori development crucial to New Zealand’s future
    Labour recognises the concern of Māori about child poverty and the rising costs of living, and in Government will make a real difference to the wellbeing of whānau and iwi, Labour’s Māori Affairs spokesperson Nanaia Mahuta says. “As our Māori...
    Labour | 16-09
  • MAORI PARTY – DON’T COMPLAIN … WALK
    “If the Maori Party are serious about stopping government spying on NZ citizens then they should tell the Prime Minister to either stop doing it or they will walk away” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP Hone Harawira, on...
    Mana | 16-09
  • JOHN KEY SUPPORTING LABOUR
    “There is something really sick about a National Party Prime Minister coming out in support of a Labour candidate” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira, after hearing that John Key is urging voters to back Labour in...
    Mana | 16-09
  • SHUT DOWN THIS GOVT NOT KAITI WINZ – Nikora
    “I’m going to make it as hard for you to get help as I can” is Paula Bennett’s message to the people of Kaiti  said MANA candidate Te Hāmua Nikora today in response to the news that National will close...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Winegums make for better polling – Harawira
    I wanted to laugh when I saw the Native Affairs poll the other night (Hone Harawira 38%, Kelvin Davis 37%) because it was almost the same as the one they did back in 2011”, said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau...
    Mana | 16-09
  • The Leadership of MTS Lied – Harawira
    “Normally I’m happy to tell people that I was right but when I received the news about the staff cuts at Maori Television, I had nothing but sympathy for the three Maori media leaders who are going to be made...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Privileges Complaint Laid against Prime Minister – Harawira
    MANA Movement Leader and Te Tai Tokerau MP Hone Harawira has today lodged a Privileges Complaint with the Speaker regarding the Prime Ministers denials in parliament that he knew anything about Kim Dotcom before 2012. “Information made public today appears...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Sharples’ new appointments are out of order
    The new appointments to the Waitangi Tribunal announced by Dr Pita Sharples this morning are completely out of order given the election is just five days away, says Labour's State Services spokesperson, Maryan Street. “This Government continues to show disdain...
    Labour | 15-09
  • MANA Movement Housing Policy
    “When families are living in cars, garages, cockroach-infested caravans and three families to a house then we have a housing crisis”, said MANA leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Hone Harawira. “When you have a housing crisis for low-income...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Bigger than the Foreshore and Seabed – Sykes
    “Over the past week I have received some disturbing information that has led myself and a number of Maori lawyers to conclude that this National - Maori Party - ACT and United Future Government are going to put an end to both...
    Mana | 14-09
  • MANA wants Te Reo Māori petition fulfilled
    Hone Harawira, MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Annette Sykes, MANA candidate for Waiariki Te Hāmua Nikora, MANA candidate for Ikaroa Rāwhiti  “More than four decades have passed and the petition calling for Te Reo Māori in schools...
    Mana | 14-09
  • Primary focus on the critical issues
    A Labour Government will prioritise New Zealand’s agricultural sectors by recreating a Rural Affairs Minister and appointing a Primary Industry Council and a Chief Agricultural Adviser. Releasing Labour’s Primary Sector and Rural Affairs policies today, spokesperson Damien O’Connor says the...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Maori Television fears confirmed – Harawira
    ...
    Mana | 12-09
  • More ghost houses from National
    The Government’s desperate pre-election announcement of more ghost houses won’t fool Aucklanders wanting action on the housing crisis, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “These are ghost houses, to go with National’s ghost tax cut. Families cannot live in ghost...
    Labour | 12-09
  • National bows to union pressure over travel time
    National has reluctantly bowed to pressure from unions and adopted Labour’s fair and sensible policy to pay home support workers for the time they spend traveling between clients, Labour’s Associate Health spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. “This decision is long overdue...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Predators on Poverty – Harawira
    “As poverty has ballooned out of control, the Predators on Poverty have emerged to suck the lifeblood from whole families and communities” said MANA Movement leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira. “They are deliberately targeting low-income areas, particularly those...
    Mana | 11-09
  • MANA Movement Policy Launch
    Predators on Poverty (pokie machines, alcohol outlets and loan sharks) 1pm, Thursday 11th September Corner Great South Road and Criterion Street Otahuhu Shopping Centre...
    Mana | 10-09
  • Eliminating Poverty – Sir Edmund Hillary Collegiate, Otara | Internet MAN...
    A campaign to Eliminate Poverty, Feed the Kids, build more houses, and create thousands of new jobs, was outlined by Internet MANA at a public meeting in Otara this evening. When MANA and the Internet Party first sat down to...
    Mana | 09-09
  • Housing in Waiariki – Sykes
    Fact:  Under this National-Maori Party-ACT-United Future Government 61% of Maori in Waiariki do not own their own home and nearly 70% of Maori rentals in Waiariki pay $200 or more per week. “Maori in Waiariki have low rates of home ownership...
    Mana | 09-09
  • Charter school crisis shows time to axe costly experiment
    Dysfunction from day one at a Northland charter school shows it is time to dump this costly and failed experiment by the National-ACT Government, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Te Kura Hourua ki Whangaruru received $27,000 in government funding...
    Labour | 08-09
  • Labour will crack down on loan sharks
    A Labour Government will crack down on predatory loan sharks by making it illegal both to charge exorbitant interest rates and to exploit uninformed borrowers, Labour’s Consumer Affairs Spokesperson Carol Beaumont says. Labour today released its Consumer Affairs policy which...
    Labour | 08-09
  • Let’s do the FEED before the weed
    “Last week I put out a very strongly worded email to my colleagues about an online promotion about cannabis law reform” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira “and I stand by that criticism today.” My concern was...
    Mana | 08-09
  • TE KAEA and NATIVE AFFAIRS live to fight another day
    “I understand that both the chair of the Board of Maori Television, Georgina Te Heuheu, and new CEO, Paora Maxwell, are now saying that my comments this morning about their plans to cut Te Kaea and Native Affairs, were wrong, and that...
    Mana | 08-09
  • How come the PM only pays 2.8% of his income in tax – Harawira
    “Before John Key talks about the piddling tax cuts he plans for low and middle income families today he needs to explain why he only pays 2.8% of his income on tax while a minimum wage worker pays 28% tax,”...
    Mana | 07-09
  • THE DEATH OF INDEPENDENCE FOR MAORI TV
    “If what I’m hearing is true, tomorrow Maori Television Service (MTS) will dump its news programme, Te Kaea, and staff will lose their jobs” said MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Hone Harawira “and the Minister of Maori...
    Mana | 07-09
  • Labour recommits to Pike River families
    An incoming Labour-led government will do everything possible to recover the bodies of the Pike River Miners and return them to their families, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “This tragedy and its aftermath has left the families of the 29...
    Labour | 06-09
  • Voting has started and still no tax plan or fiscal budget for voters to see
    "Even though voting for the election has already begun, National still refuses to provide any details of its proposed tax cuts. And Bill English admitted this morning that he won’t provide any specifics until after the election", Labour’s Finance spokesperson...
    Labour | 06-09
  • National’s partners’ tax plans cost at least $42 billion
    If National forms the next government its partners’ tax plans will cost the country at least $42 billion, and maybe as much as $50 billion, wreaking havoc with the books, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker. “National claims to be...
    Labour | 05-09
  • Labour: Providing more opportunities for young Kiwis
    A Labour Government will ensure every young Kiwi under the age of 20 is given the opportunity to be in work, education or training, and plans to develop a conservation apprenticeship scheme to help do that, Labour’s Youth Affairs spokesperson...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Candles out on teachers’ slice of birthday cake
    Today may be Novopay’s second birthday, but there’s little to celebrate, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Novopay has cost the taxpayer tens of millions of dollars already, and the cost is still climbing....
    Labour | 04-09
  • National’s blatant broadband pork barrelling misses the mark by a country...
    National’s blatant pork-barrelling ICT announcement today should reinforce a growing sceptical electorate’s view that they are all about the gift wrap and not the present, Labour’s ICT spokesperson Clare Curran says. “Instead of addressing the real issues - the woeful...
    Labour | 04-09
  • More evidence of the need to clean up the system
    The latest release of emails and messages between disgraced Minister Judith Collins and blogger Cameron Slater are more evidence of the urgent need to clean up politics, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. "This new evidence confirms a near constant flow...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Labour commits to stable funding for voluntary sector
    A Labour Government will establish long-term funding and streamline contract accountability for community and voluntary groups, says Labour’s spokesperson for the sector Louisa Wall. Announcing Labour’s policy for the community and voluntary sector, she said this would give much greater...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Better trained and skilled workforce under Labour
    Labour is committed to a skilled workforce that benefits businesses as well as their workers, and will increase workplace training to improve productivity and drive innovation, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Labour believes the Government should support New Zealanders into...
    Labour | 03-09
  • Labour will make renting a better option
    Labour will provide greater security of tenure for renters, and build more state and social housing, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour believes every kid deserves a decent start in life. That means a warm, dry and secure home....
    Labour | 03-09
  • At least 15 new taxes under National
    John Key is the last person to talk about creating taxes, presiding over a Government that has imposed at least 15 new taxes, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “John Key tried a novel line in the debate last night claiming...
    Labour | 03-09
  • Labour will strengthen New Zealand’s democracy
    A Labour Government will act quickly to protect and enhance New Zealand’s reputation as one of the most open and least corrupt countries in the world, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “The health of any democracy is improved by greater...
    Labour | 02-09
  • MANA Movement says tax cut on GST must be first priority – Minto
    “If Prime Minister John Key has money available for tax cuts then cutting GST must be the first priority”,  said MANA Movement Economic Justice Spokesperson John Minto. GST is a nasty tax on low-income families”, said Minto. “People in the...
    Mana | 02-09
  • The Maori Party’s Mana-Enhancing Relationship with National – Minto
    “First we had Cameron Slater and David Farrar backing Labour’s Kelvin Davis bid to unseat MANA Movement Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Hone Harawira.  Now we have Slater writing a pro-Te Ururoa Flavell article on his website, Whale...
    Mana | 02-09
  • Hang tight everyone – Marama Davidson campaign reflection
    To the many people who had expressed their overwhelming support for me to enter Parliament this election – thank you. That the Greens held steady in a big loss for progressive politics is an achievement. We are hopeful that after...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA
    New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • Reflecting on Elections Past
    There are a number of past elections that can give the left in New Zealand guidance and hope. Two major points though. Major parties require leaders who can bridge the political divide through strength of personality, vision of what it...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – The Reptile Room
    I stress, at the outset, that I’ve got nothing against reptiles. Some of my best friends are reptiles. Some say I am one, but I’m not really. I just emulate that ability to sit, stationary for hours in court, eyes...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • The success of right-wing counter messaging in the election
    One of the reasons National won the election was due to its success in counter messaging – and the way so many media commentators ran with th the right-wing spin. Here are some examples. Dirty Politics The original message was...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New Flag competition
    New Flag competition...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • No time for self-pity
    After 23 meetings across the largest non-Maori electorate in the country – almost all of which went fantastically, approx 4,500km on the odometer, positive MSM and social media coverage, and polling well, I admit my team and I headed to...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • The 30 second speech that could have saved the Moment of Truth
    As the dust settles and we struggle to understand what the bloody hell happened on Saturday, many point to Kim’s failure at the Moment of Truth to present his evidence. I think that Kim was poorly advised and that politics requires a...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • Internet MANA and the 2014 election
    It was always going to be a hard task for Hone Harawira to hold onto his Te Tai Tokerau seat when the political establishment united in a coalition to defeat him and the chance for Internet MANA to bring more...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – Unity in Action
    Yes the Left have taken a drubbing, but never mind, time to pick ourselves up off the floor, patch up our wound pride, dust ourselves off, cast around for our friends and allies, and re-enter the fray. Lots of work...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • A Fiji democratic mandate for the coup leader – what now for the media?
    Attorney-General Sayad-Khaiyum and Rear-Admiral (Ret) Voreqe Bainimarama’s Fiji First party is poised to lead the country in the next four years. Photo: Mads Anneberg, an AUT Pacific Media Centre student on internship in Suva with Repúblika Magazine and Pacific Scoop...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • Why I voted Labour and why 2017 will be different
    As a 3nd and 5th generation Kiwi-Indian (depending on which side of the family we have to go with), my relationship with New Zealand is a special one. Like other New Zealanders who are not of the Caucasian variety, the...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Humble Pie
    Oh. My. God. This was a heartbreaking nightmare. I was wrong, horribly, horribly, horribly wrong. I honestly believed that the resources, the media attention, the vile toxic politics exposed by Dirty Politics and the mass surveillance lies would have seen...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Election 2014; A Post-mortem; a Wake; and one helluva hang-over
    .   . It would be fair to say that the results for Election 2014 did not go as anticipated. The Left has had a drubbing – and some of it was of our own making. In other aspects, there...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Voting turnout affected by bad weather?
    . . NZ, Upper Hutt, 20 September –  Cold, wet weather in the Hutt Valley, north of Wellington may be impacting on voter turn-out. A head-count of people visiting the Trentham School Voting Station in Moonshine Rd, Upper Hutt, indicated...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Final total of advance voting
    And the final total for the advance voting was a staggering 717,579 advance votes against 334,558 in 2011       Tonight, I’ll be watching the TV3 election coverage because I could bare Paul Henry’s smugness one inch more than Mike Hosking’s...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Vice article on NZ election
    Here is my Vice article on the NZ election....
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • The attempt to kill off Internet MANA
    It’s the last day of campaigning today and the long list of those attacking Internet MANA got longer yesterday with Winston Peters backing Labour candidate Kelvin Davis against the MANA Movement’s Hone Harawira. Davis is now supported by Labour, National,...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • A final word on the election – it’s now all up to you
    Brothers & Sisters, the fate of Aotearoa is now all in your hands. We here at the Daily Blog have thrown everything we can at this bloody Government and have spent every waking hour of this campaign trying to highlight...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • I can’t tell what is National Party advert and what is the NZ Herald – ...
    I can’t tell what is National Party advert and what is the NZ Herald – but then again, I never could...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • TVNZ election coverage – white people telling other white people why Nati...
    TVNZ election coverage – white people telling other white people why National Party is great...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • REVIEW: Royals of Kihikihi
    What an absolutely stunning show.  I had to ask twice to check I’d heard right that this is the first staged production for Samuel Christopher, who also played a raw, real, but vulnerable, Wolf Royal, home from London for his...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • 800 Cops to detain 15 ‘terrorists’ – why Australia’s hysterical Isl...
    I’m sorry but I can’t take this current Australian terror threat seriously. 800 cops to detain 15 people and arrest one of them? A week after Abbot decides to send in Australian forces to the cluster fuck of Iraq, suddenly...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Unbelievable corruption inside Government to attack Kim Dotcom
    The corruption inside this Government just more and more filthy – we now have an ex-Customs Lawyer quitting  after being told to bury information that could embarrass the Government, specifically to do with Kim Dotcom… Curtis Gregorash said he was told...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Everyone Loves A Win-Win That Keeps G...
      Permit me to quote some figures at you… -68% of New Zealanders think political news on television focuses too much on politicians’ personalities and not enough on real issues. This is the key result of a recent UMR survey commissioned by...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, another week of ...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, another week of being the most in demand broadcaster in the country...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • EXCLUSIVE: Te Tai Tokerau independent poll (44% Hone-27% Kelvin) vs Maori T...
    The Te Tai Tokerau Maori TV poll on Monday this week painted a bleak picture for Internet MANA supporters, and it’s results have been seized upon by Labour, NZ First and even the Maori Party (who seem set once again...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The time for TPPA weasel words is over
    Almost every day of the election campaign there has been a policy announcement that would potentially run foul of what I understand is currently in the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA):  more constraints on foreign investment or investors … regulation of...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • MELTDOWN – Maori Party turns on their own Te Tai Tokerau candidate – ag...
    The tensions are building in Te Tai Tokerau with the Maori Party on the verge of meltdown. Days out from the election, the Maori Party Executive has tried to heavy their own Te Tai Tokerau Electoral Committee and their own candidate, Te Hira Paenga,...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • We Can Change this Government
    We Can Change this Government – Mike Treen at the First Union stop work election meeting...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Election 2014: For and Against
    With the general election tomorrow, we have had a very noisy campaign but little sign that the electorate wishes for a fundamental change of governmental direction. This reflects in part the fact that the economic cycle is close to its decadal...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Eye To Eye Uploaded: Martyn ‘Bomber’ Bradbury
    This interview was filmed a couple of weeks ago between Willie Jackson and myself, I was a tad off with my prediction of NZ First....
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The Donghua Liu Affair – The Players Revealed
      . . – Special investigation by Frank Macskasy & ‘Hercules‘ Speculation that the Beehive office of Immigration Minister, Michael Woodhouse, was behind the release of a letter linking Labour leader, David Cunliffe, with controversial Chinese businessman, Donghua Liu, is...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • As if you needed another reason to boycott Telecom/Spark – they sold NZ d...
    It should read ‘never stop spying’. As if you needed another reason to boycott Telecom/Spark – they sold us down the river to the US by allowing the Southern Cross cable to be tapped… The ability for US intelligence agencies...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The NZ First-Labour Party attack strategy against Internet MANA better work
    The final days of the campaign are ticking down and Labour and NZ First are manoeuvring to kill off the Internet MANA Party by both backing Kelvin Davis for Te Tai Tokerau. It’s a risky gambit that they better pray to Christ...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Bill English’s latest insult to beneficiaries – apparently they are lik...
    National’s hatred towards the poor continues unabated as National desperately try to throw raw meat to their reactionary voter base in the hope to inspire enough hate and loathing to win back their redneck voters from the Conservative Party and from...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Eminem ain’t happy with John Key
    Eminem ain’t happy with John Key...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Key claims he did not inhale
    Key claims he did not inhale...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Final prediction on election result 2014
    What an election campaign. The character assassination of David Cunliffe kicked things off with the Herald on Sunday falsely claiming $100 00 bottles of wine, $15 000 books and $150 000 in donations  from a donor that turned out to be...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Live blog: Bainamarama takes commanding lead in Fiji elections
      Interview with Repúblika editor Ricardo Morris and Pacific Scoop’s Mads Anneberg. PACIFIC SCOOP TEAM By Ricardo Morris, Mads Anneberg, Alistar Kata and Biutoka Kacimaiwai in Suva WHILE the results are provisional at this stage, it is clear today that...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • 5AA Australia: NZ Elections Two Days To Go! + Edward Snowden + Julian Assan...
    Recorded live on 18/09/14 – Captured Live on Ustream at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/multimedia-investments-ltd 5AA Australia’s Peter Godfrey and Selwyn Manning deliver their weekly bulletin: Across The Ditch. This week, they discuss the latest news as New Zealanders go to the polls on...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • What has Colin Craig done for his Press Secretary to quit 2 days before ele...
    This is VERY strange.  Colin Craig’s Press Secretary Rachel McGregor, has quit 2 days before the election, allegedly telling ZB that Colin Craig was a “very manipulative man”. I’ve met Rachel many times in the past as Colin’s Press Secretary, she is...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • “If you want steak, go to the supermarket and buy steak,” – A brief w...
    “If you want steak, go to the supermarket and buy steak,” said Key in the final leaders debate. Problem of course is that the 250 000 – 285 000 children living in poverty can not afford steak, milk, butter, eggs...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • National’s final bash of beneficiaries before the election
    On cue, whenever National feel threatened, they roll out a little bennie bash just to keep their redneck voter base happy. Nothing like a bit of raw meat policy to keep National voters focused on the evil threat solo parents...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • With All Of This In Mind, I Vote
    This is my last blog before the election and I really just want to speak from the heart. Right now in this country it seems to me that a lot of people consider the “essentials” in life to be simply...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Left has to vote strategically this election
    The dedication, loyalty, and tribalism of party politics means that sometimes the left lets itself down by not voting strategically. We all want our favoured party to get maximum votes, naturally, but the winner-takes-all approach doesn’t always suit multi-party left...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Dear NZ – as you enter the polling booth, stand up for your rights
    The last days before a NZ general election are a busy time as politicians make their pitch and party activists prepare to get out the vote. It is sort of weird watching from the distance of Europe the strangest election...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • What is Waihopai, John, if it isn’t a facility for “mass surveillance...
    John Key assured us on RNZ’s Nine to Noon programme yesterday that “In terms of the Fives Eyes data bases… yes New Zealand will contribute some information but not mass wholesale surveillance.” How does this square with the operation of the...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Catherine Delahunty – Mass Surveillance and the Banality of E...
    Renowned journalist and intellectual Hannah Arendt coined the phrase “the banality of evil” to describe the normalisation of genocide in Nazi Germany. I thought of her phrase when I was listening to Glenn Greenwald and other international whistle-blowers talking about...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Election. Down. To. The. Wire
    Funny how last week it was John Key winning by 50%, now it’s neck and neck. I have always believed this election would be down to the wire and it is proving so. The flawed landline opinion polls the mainstream...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Reward offered in latest seal shooting
    It is with shock and dismay that our organization learns of the latest shooting of a New Zealand fur seal, this one on Stewart Island. This is the third such crime to reach our attentions since May this year and...
    Scoop politics | 23-09
  • Taxpayers Forgotten in Ministerial Horse-Trading
    Responding to the Prime Minister’s comments reported on Radio New Zealand , that he is considering giving Act MP David Seymour a ministerial role because “When they have more staffing and resources as a result of a junior ministerial role...
    Scoop politics | 23-09
  • Labour’s Defeat Points to a Forgotten Target Market
    With the devastating defeat for the Labour Party in the election, Labour seems to have lost touch with what resonates with New Zealanders....
    Scoop politics | 23-09
  • Cunliffe may survive year but doomed by end of 2015
    NZ First is expected to take one seat off Labour once special votes are counted, maintaining the election-night result that John Key’s National Party will be able to govern alone, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders...
    Scoop politics | 23-09
  • Making All New Zealand the Place Talent Wants to Live
    The development of the provinces is becoming a major issue for New Zealand, and for the new Government. Television New Zealand’s Sunday programme (21 September) addressed the plight of towns such as Whanganui, where jobs and populations are declining....
    Scoop politics | 23-09
  • China’s booming torture trade revealed
    The flourishing trade, manufacture and export of tools of torture by Chinese companies is fuelling human rights violations across Africa and Asia, new research by Amnesty International and the Omega Research Foundation reveals....
    Scoop politics | 23-09
  • President Obama Congratulates Key
    The President called Prime Minister Key late last evening to congratulate him on his third electoral victory....
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • Seven Pasifika MPs elected – highest number ever
    AUCKLAND ( Pacific Media Watch / The New Zealand Herald ): The highest number of Pasifika MPs elected in New Zealand's history were voted in at the weekend general election....
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • LGNZ congratulates National
    LGNZ congratulates National Local Government New Zealand (LGNZ) congratulates re-elected Prime Minister John Key and the National led government on winning their third consecutive term following Saturday’s general election. LGNZ President Lawrence Yule acknowledges...
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • The Letter – 22 September 2014
    John Key’s win is historic. In the history of MMP elections – worldwide – ever – no government has won an absolute majority. MMP was imposed on Germany to make sure that country never had another Hitler. It is designed...
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • Election Coverage – None Better Than Trans Tasman
    To get a steer on what was going to happen in the election - away from the histrionics of the mainstream coverage - the best place to go was The Main Report Group’s weekly political report Trans Tasman....
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • Federated Farmers intemperate
    For the second time in a week Federated Farmers has made intemperate and provocative comments on environmental issues, says EDS....
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • MP’s Stolen Items Recovered
    Following a complaint to Parliamentary Services today [ September 19 ], items which had been stolen from NZ First MP Andrew Williams’ Wellington parliamentary office have been recovered and returned....
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • Election results bad news for those on benefits
    Beneficiary Advocate Kay Brereton says, “ The election result holds no good news for people on benefits, National campaigned successfully with their beneficiary bashing agenda, and will now believe their punitive treatment of beneficiaries has the support...
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • Opportunity to progress water infrastructure
    “National’s re-election is an opportunity to develop the infrastructure New Zealand needs to provide surety of water for agriculture, town drinking water supply, waterways, recreational use and to future proof the country from climate change,” says Andrew...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Wellington City joins the global call for 100% clean
    At 1:00 pm, residents and visitors of Wellington gathered at the summit of Mt Victoria to join the millions strong call for a 100% clean future....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Hikoi with us from Cape Reinga to Auckland Oil Conference!
    Monday 22 September 2014: Maori from different tribal areas along the western length of Northland are organising a hikoi starting on Saturday to a Government oil conference in Auckland to make sure that Norwegian oil giant Statoil gets the message:...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Roy Morgan NZ Election Update With A Look At The Polls
    Roy Morgan NZ Election Update With A Look At The Polls National re-elected to third term with record high vote as Labour slumps to worst result in over 90 years...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • National-led Government wins mandate for RMA reforms
    An unprecedented increase in support for the third-term National Party, the best electoral performance since 1899, has delivered a clear mandate for reform of the Resource Management Act says Federated Farmers. “Vital reforms to the RMA have...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • New Zealand says no to Culture of Death
    Right to Life is pleased that the people of New Zealand have rejected a culture of death by refusing to elect a Labour/Green government that supported the decriminalisation of abortion....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Q + A – Steven Joyce
    CORIN Steven Joyce if we could start with how things are going to look now with your support partners. Can you just run us through, National can technically govern alone on what you’ve got at the moment, do you think...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Q + A – Kelvin Davis
    SUSAN Well earlier this morning, just before we came to air in fact, Corin spoke to Kelvin Davis, one of the big winners of the night, the new MP for Te Tai Tokerau....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Q + A – David Cunliffe
    CORIN Joining me now is Labour Leader, David Cunliffe. Good morning to you Mr Cunliffe. This is a tough result for Labour, how much personal responsibility do you take for this....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Grey Power congratulates Key
    Grey Power National President Terry King congratulated John Key for his party’s “resounding win “ in yesterday’s election and hoped that the new National Government would look hard at issues affecting the ever–growing number of older New Zealanders....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • EMA congratulates PM John Key and National
    The Employers and Manufacturers Association extend hearty congratulations to the re-election of Prime Minister John Key and National....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Helen Clark Receives Inaugural Women’s Health Rights Award
    Helen Clark was honoured as the first recipient of the Women’s Health Rights Award at the 121st Woman’s Suffrage event held in Auckland....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • National deal with New Zealand First unlikely
    The National party is unlikely to offer a confidence and supply agreement to New Zealand First according to Dr Ryan Malone, Director Training and Research at Civicsquare....
    Scoop politics | 20-09
  • Daily Election Update #12: NZ First to hold balance of power
    Winston Peters’ NZ First Party will hold the balance of power after tomorrow’s election, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict. Mr Peters is then expected to back a National-led...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Election Day is Time to Refocus on Policies
    Over the course of this election campaign there has been a lot of focus on dirty politics and spying, and not a lot on policy. With election day looming, Gareth Morgan is calling for people to refocus on the issues....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • The Kiwi FM Alternative Election Commentary
    Saturday 20 September from 7pm on 102.2 Auckland, 102.1 Wellington, 102.5 Canterbury, or KiwiFM.co.nz...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Beneficiary Bashing unacceptable
    Kay Brereton of the Beneficiary Advocacy Federation of New Zealand says “ the comment made by Bill English yesterday comparing beneficiaries to crack addicts is shocking and incredibly poorly timed.”...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • UN Experience Beneficial
    Acclaim Otago representatives have just completed their participation at the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disability examination of the New Zealand government in Geneva, Switzerland. "It was an interesting two days which we believe has...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Changing face of NZ should be reflected in newsrooms
    With Fairfax Media’s Journalism Intern search closing on Sunday, Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy is urging aspiring journalists from Maori, Pacific and ethnic communities to apply. The deadline was recently extended to 10pm, Sunday...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • SPCA expresses concern over toxin in waterways
    Ric Odom CEO of Royal NZ SPCA has expressed concern over the toxic poison 1080 entering waterways, but DoC, Council’s and Ministry of Health have colluded to make it legal....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • NZ 2014 Election Index – 13-18 September
    Below is iSentia’s final weekly Election Index, covering the period 13-18 September and showing the relative amount of coverage of nine Party Leaders in the lead up to the National Election across news media and social media. The methodology used...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Epsom Candidate (Adam Holland) More Liberal Than ACT
    For the past four years I, like 500,000 other New Zealanders, have been illegally smoking cannabis for medicinal purposes and/or even just for the occasional laugh with friends on the weekend. We don't hurt anybody, we don't cause nuisance, we...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Left Coalition Will Save Dolphins
    A left coalition would safeguard both Māui and Hector’s dolphins, as well as revive our inshore ecosystems. Labour, Internet Mana and the Green Party all have strong policies in place for dolphin protection. The Maori Party, and to a certain...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Waihoroi Shortland: Ngāti Hine is not standing alone
    The Chairman of Te Rūnanga a Iwi o Ngāpuhi, Sonny Tau is blowing smoke worthy of a Dotcom rally with claims that Ngati Hine is standing alone in its opposition to Tūhoronuku says the Chairman of Te Rūnanga o Ngati...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Oceania voices on environment loud and strong
    While money and energy continues to be spent on global talks about climate change, Pacific islanders are scrambling to build sea walls out of sticks, stones, shells and coral, to protect their lands and homes from erosion and rising sea...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Prime Time with Sean Plunket – Tonight
    No MPs tonight --- the campaign will be over at 9 30. Instead we will look back --- and possibly forward on what we have learned and what might happen. Listener Political Columnist Jane Clifton Editor in Chief, NZ Herald,...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Election fails to address youth financial wellbeing
    Young people don’t feel included in New Zealand’s financial success and believe inequality is a problem, according to a new survey conducted by Westpac’s Fin-Ed Centre at Massey University....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Winston’s Waffle doesn’t hide the facts
    The Conservative Party is celebrating the ASA's finding announced today that rejected all but one of the complaints raised against its controversial “Conservatives or Peters” pamphlet. “Despite pages of complaints from Peters legal team the only...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • NZ Independent Coalition looking forward to tomorrow
    “Our team is looking forward to tomorrow. It is a real opportunity to reclaim politics for the people,” said NZ Independent Coalition leader Brendan Horan....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Insights Issue 35/2014 – 19 September 2014
    Insights Issue 35/2014 - 19 September 2014 In This Issue • RMA reform the golden unicorn of policy | Jenesa Jeram...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Special voting arrangements made for NIWA crew
    One of the most unusual polling stations for this year’s general election is in the middle of the ocean miles from land. NIWA’s flagship research vessel Tangaroa, has been doubling as a polling booth for crew and scientists at sea....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Tourism operators urged to vote strategically
    Tourism operators should make sure they know their local candidates’ view on tourism and use their vote to support the country’s second largest export industry, says Chris Roberts, Chief Executive, Tourism Industry Association New Zealand (TIA)....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • WGTN: March for free education
    We are students, university staff, and members of the community. Whichever parties form a government after September 20th, we are demanding an end to corporatisation of education....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Evidence of Corruption a National Scandal
    Internet Party leader Laila Harré will take evidence of corruption to international forums if there is not a full Royal Commission to investigate the growing evidence of the systematic use and abuse of democratic institutions and processes for political...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Govt continues to throw money at charter school experiment
    Official documents reveal the three primary sector charter schools approved last week will cost $2 million to set up as well as divert another $1.5 million of potential taxpayer investment from local state schools next year....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • ACT Final Election Rally
    Elections campaigns are an opportunity for political parties to put candidates and policy to enable voters to choose what sort of New Zealand we want. In this campaign there have been three tests by which you can assess the electoral...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
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