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	<description>The New Zealand labour movement used to have its own newspaper. A group of us thought that now might be a good time for it to be digitally reborn: The Standard v2.0 - now in a new format The Standard v3.0</description>
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		<title>By: I wonder if he&#8217;ll ask for a name suppression order. &#171; The Standard</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/definitely-not-the-sewer/comment-page-1/#comment-181262</link>
		<dc:creator>I wonder if he&#8217;ll ask for a name suppression order. &#171; The Standard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 01:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the judge has more information than we do, and we generally respect their decisions. Some of the sewerbloggers, like this one, do not. They seem to not pick cases with any actual public interest considerations [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the judge has more information than we do, and we generally respect their decisions. Some of the sewerbloggers, like this one, do not. They seem to not pick cases with any actual public interest considerations [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Formenting happy mischief. Indeed! &#171; The Standard</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/definitely-not-the-sewer/comment-page-1/#comment-178453</link>
		<dc:creator>Formenting happy mischief. Indeed! &#171; The Standard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has a new innovation at the sewer. The old comment voting system has been enhanced to, amongst other things, hide comments when they [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has a new innovation at the sewer. The old comment voting system has been enhanced to, amongst other things, hide comments when they [...]</p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/definitely-not-the-sewer/comment-page-1/#comment-144440</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;...some of the newer posters are more hat than cattle.&lt;/em&gt;

They always improve.. Mind you I think most of the ones you mention are pretty good in writing style. They surely get their points across. It is the opinions and attitude that you object to</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8230;some of the newer posters are more hat than cattle.</em></p>
<p>They always improve.. Mind you I think most of the ones you mention are pretty good in writing style. They surely get their points across. It is the opinions and attitude that you object to</p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/definitely-not-the-sewer/comment-page-1/#comment-144438</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good book. I scanned through it on the bus yesterday to about page 80. If the jam on the bridge doesn&#039;t clear up soon, then I&#039;ll finish it tonight. (nice iphone..)

Reminds me of some personalities that I have known.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good book. I scanned through it on the bus yesterday to about page 80. If the jam on the bridge doesn&#8217;t clear up soon, then I&#8217;ll finish it tonight. (nice iphone..)</p>
<p>Reminds me of some personalities that I have known&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Keeping up rape culture &#171; In a strange land</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/definitely-not-the-sewer/comment-page-1/#comment-144280</link>
		<dc:creator>Keeping up rape culture &#171; In a strange land</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] commonly disavows his commentariat, known elsewhere in the NZ blogosphere as the sewer, but really, DPF, when you buy into rape culture like that, you have to start thinking that just [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] commonly disavows his commentariat, known elsewhere in the NZ blogosphere as the sewer, but really, DPF, when you buy into rape culture like that, you have to start thinking that just [...]</p>
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		<title>By: StephenR</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/definitely-not-the-sewer/comment-page-1/#comment-144213</link>
		<dc:creator>StephenR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think he&#039;s been &#039;a flat tax kind of guy&#039; for ages, or really an &#039;ACT guy in National&#039; for no reasons I can really understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he&#8217;s been &#8216;a flat tax kind of guy&#8217; for ages, or really an &#8216;ACT guy in National&#8217; for no reasons I can really understand.</p>
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		<title>By: lyndon</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/definitely-not-the-sewer/comment-page-1/#comment-144196</link>
		<dc:creator>lyndon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I/S allowed comments until the Sir Humphrey&#039;s empire broke up and its partisans took to annoying on the wider internet. 

http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2007/06/no-comment.html

To my mind his tone has got more vehement since, but I&#039;m not sure of it was turning the comments off or dealing with the trolls prior that did that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I/S allowed comments until the Sir Humphrey&#8217;s empire broke up and its partisans took to annoying on the wider internet. </p>
<p><a href="http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2007/06/no-comment.html" rel="nofollow">http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2007/06/no-comment.html</a></p>
<p>To my mind his tone has got more vehement since, but I&#8217;m not sure of it was turning the comments off or dealing with the trolls prior that did that.</p>
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		<title>By: jarbury</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/definitely-not-the-sewer/comment-page-1/#comment-144187</link>
		<dc:creator>jarbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Farrar seems to be getting more right-wing lately though. Some posts have seen him promote a flat tax rate, be sympathetic to a military coup and promote the views of a very hardcore right-wing US lobbyist.

Seems like he&#039;s been hanging out with the neocons in Washington DC a bit much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Farrar seems to be getting more right-wing lately though. Some posts have seen him promote a flat tax rate, be sympathetic to a military coup and promote the views of a very hardcore right-wing US lobbyist.</p>
<p>Seems like he&#8217;s been hanging out with the neocons in Washington DC a bit much.</p>
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		<title>By: Maynard J</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/definitely-not-the-sewer/comment-page-1/#comment-144183</link>
		<dc:creator>Maynard J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you pass that onto Dean?  He has saved two (2) comments and is convinced that the sites are just as bad as each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you pass that onto Dean?  He has saved two (2) comments and is convinced that the sites are just as bad as each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Yorke</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/definitely-not-the-sewer/comment-page-1/#comment-144180</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Yorke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig, you said: &quot;In terms of blog posts however I&#039;d say The Standard is more extreme than Kiwiblog  it&#039;s probably somewhere between Kiwiblog and Whaleoil (except obviously on the left).&quot;

I partly agree. It&#039;s not Farrar&#039;s posts that get to me. It the rabid nasty comments that often follow.

But comparing anyone to Whaleoil? No way - that&#039;s guys out on his own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, you said: &#8220;In terms of blog posts however I&#8217;d say The Standard is more extreme than Kiwiblog  it&#8217;s probably somewhere between Kiwiblog and Whaleoil (except obviously on the left).&#8221;</p>
<p>I partly agree. It&#8217;s not Farrar&#8217;s posts that get to me. It the rabid nasty comments that often follow.</p>
<p>But comparing anyone to Whaleoil? No way &#8211; that&#8217;s guys out on his own.</p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/definitely-not-the-sewer/comment-page-1/#comment-144165</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both Helen and Peter are a personal friends of mine. I&#039;ve known them for about 20 years. The rumours from the Christian right (where a lot of it comes from) and the political enemies simply aren&#039;t true.

I grew up in Mt Albert, and I was there during the 1981 election - even doing work for National for family reasons. As far as I can tell the rumour about Helen was started by National activists in that election for electoral reasons - it was thought to be a winnable seat by national on the retirement of Freer. I heard those rumours in 1981 as a kind of a nudge-nudge, wouldn&#039;t it be great if it was true.

Wishart and all of the other prurient arseholes like you are simply lying about Helens sexual preferences. Your motivations are pure envy as far as I can tell. You simply don&#039;t like women to be successful. A case of clitoris envy?

Brash - well I wasn&#039;t on the blogs at that point - it was 2006? However I&#039;d point out that I don&#039;t like lynch mobs. I don&#039;t care if it is Peters of Brash.

Smith. Well have a look around the site. Those get suppressed here pretty promptly. 

Now look at the sewer about Helen and Peter. That is why I call it the sewer.

BTW: Idiot, I still defend the EFA. The legislation that the NACT&#039;s come back with is likely to have a lot of the same types of provisions in it. The changes to electoral law in 1993 were inadequate looking back after 15 years or so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both Helen and Peter are a personal friends of mine. I&#8217;ve known them for about 20 years. The rumours from the Christian right (where a lot of it comes from) and the political enemies simply aren&#8217;t true.</p>
<p>I grew up in Mt Albert, and I was there during the 1981 election &#8211; even doing work for National for family reasons. As far as I can tell the rumour about Helen was started by National activists in that election for electoral reasons &#8211; it was thought to be a winnable seat by national on the retirement of Freer. I heard those rumours in 1981 as a kind of a nudge-nudge, wouldn&#8217;t it be great if it was true.</p>
<p>Wishart and all of the other prurient arseholes like you are simply lying about Helens sexual preferences. Your motivations are pure envy as far as I can tell. You simply don&#8217;t like women to be successful. A case of clitoris envy?</p>
<p>Brash &#8211; well I wasn&#8217;t on the blogs at that point &#8211; it was 2006? However I&#8217;d point out that I don&#8217;t like lynch mobs. I don&#8217;t care if it is Peters of Brash.</p>
<p>Smith. Well have a look around the site. Those get suppressed here pretty promptly. </p>
<p>Now look at the sewer about Helen and Peter. That is why I call it the sewer.</p>
<p>BTW: Idiot, I still defend the EFA. The legislation that the NACT&#8217;s come back with is likely to have a lot of the same types of provisions in it. The changes to electoral law in 1993 were inadequate looking back after 15 years or so.</p>
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		<title>By: craig</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/definitely-not-the-sewer/comment-page-1/#comment-144161</link>
		<dc:creator>craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The largest difference between Kiwiblog and The Standard in that DPF doesn&#039;t really moderate comments.

In terms of blog posts however I&#039;d say The Standard is more extreme than Kiwiblog - it&#039;s probably somewhere between Kiwiblog and Whaleoil (except obviously on the left).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The largest difference between Kiwiblog and The Standard in that DPF doesn&#8217;t really moderate comments.</p>
<p>In terms of blog posts however I&#8217;d say The Standard is more extreme than Kiwiblog &#8211; it&#8217;s probably somewhere between Kiwiblog and Whaleoil (except obviously on the left).</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Yorke</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/definitely-not-the-sewer/comment-page-1/#comment-144159</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Yorke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point I was trying to make on my site was that, while some of the opinion on this Standard is extreme, there generally isn&#039;t the same level of nasty racist/misogynist/homophobic frothing as that you&#039;ll often find in the comments section of Kiwiblog. 

I don&#039;t necessarily believe Farrar agrees with much of what his regulars say, but his moderation policy (or lack of one) enables those people.

I&#039;m happy for the Standard to continue to expose the baby-eating Nats. I may not always agree with you guys, but at least I don&#039;t leave this site feeling sick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point I was trying to make on my site was that, while some of the opinion on this Standard is extreme, there generally isn&#8217;t the same level of nasty racist/misogynist/homophobic frothing as that you&#8217;ll often find in the comments section of Kiwiblog. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t necessarily believe Farrar agrees with much of what his regulars say, but his moderation policy (or lack of one) enables those people.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy for the Standard to continue to expose the baby-eating Nats. I may not always agree with you guys, but at least I don&#8217;t leave this site feeling sick.</p>
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		<title>By: Killinginthenameof</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/definitely-not-the-sewer/comment-page-1/#comment-144153</link>
		<dc:creator>Killinginthenameof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do miss Robinsod though...</description>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/definitely-not-the-sewer/comment-page-1/#comment-144150</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So what are you waffling about? Two people letting off steam in a way that upset your sensitive wee soul? Sounds to me as if you are becoming too enamoured of your own delusions about how â€˜lefties&#039; are meant to act. That it doesn&#039;t comform to reality is your problem, not ours &quot;

Actually LP, I believe you&#039;ve become far too enamoured of your own delusions about how the so called right wing are meant to act.

&quot;It is commonly known as the sewer for good reason.&quot; you said, talking about Kiwiblog, which is fair enough. Do you realise this site has been called an echo chamber for entirely the same reason?

Tell me again how outraged you were about people letting off steam about matters to do with Clark and her sexuality? (r0b, please vent on this. I find it highly amusing given your defence of the next point.)

Tell me again how outraged you were about Labour talking about Brash and his affair in parliament? 

Actually, tell me about Labour attacking Nick Smith for his mental problems? I&#039;ve seen diehard Labour scumbags try and make excuses for that last one, but I&#039;d hope that you&#039;re not willing to do so as soon as it&#039;s convenient. 

Feel free to take the moral high ground on this matter as much as you like, LP, but for you to accuse anyone of being sensitive is about as interesting as Labour voting to repeal the EFA. You do rememeber the EFA, don&#039;t you? That piece of legislation you so valiantly defended? Let&#039;s just not get into the absolute arse you made of yourself over the efforts of various people to protest against the glorious people&#039;s copyright act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So what are you waffling about? Two people letting off steam in a way that upset your sensitive wee soul? Sounds to me as if you are becoming too enamoured of your own delusions about how â€˜lefties&#8217; are meant to act. That it doesn&#8217;t comform to reality is your problem, not ours &#8221;</p>
<p>Actually LP, I believe you&#8217;ve become far too enamoured of your own delusions about how the so called right wing are meant to act.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is commonly known as the sewer for good reason.&#8221; you said, talking about Kiwiblog, which is fair enough. Do you realise this site has been called an echo chamber for entirely the same reason?</p>
<p>Tell me again how outraged you were about people letting off steam about matters to do with Clark and her sexuality? (r0b, please vent on this. I find it highly amusing given your defence of the next point.)</p>
<p>Tell me again how outraged you were about Labour talking about Brash and his affair in parliament? </p>
<p>Actually, tell me about Labour attacking Nick Smith for his mental problems? I&#8217;ve seen diehard Labour scumbags try and make excuses for that last one, but I&#8217;d hope that you&#8217;re not willing to do so as soon as it&#8217;s convenient. </p>
<p>Feel free to take the moral high ground on this matter as much as you like, LP, but for you to accuse anyone of being sensitive is about as interesting as Labour voting to repeal the EFA. You do rememeber the EFA, don&#8217;t you? That piece of legislation you so valiantly defended? Let&#8217;s just not get into the absolute arse you made of yourself over the efforts of various people to protest against the glorious people&#8217;s copyright act.</p>
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