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Dotcom’s extradition and the 2014 general election

Written By: - Date published: 11:51 am, February 12th, 2014 - 94 comments
Categories: act, david cunliffe, election 2014, greens, labour, national, russel norman - Tags: ,

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A recent announcement suggests that Kim Dotcom’s Internet party may have struck difficulties.  Dotcom is a canny operator and he realises that by amassing anything short of 5% of the vote and failing to win an electorate seat, both of which are likely, all he will do is render a chunk of likely anti Government votes worthless and contribute significantly to National’s re-election prospects.

So Dotcom has made an announcement which could be significant for the election results.  If the Internet Party is not looking like it will break the 5% threshold it will ask all supporters of the Internet Party to vote for a political party prepared to adopt the Internet Party’s policies.  Labour and the Greens are likely to be endorsed and I think that we can say that National’s and ACT’s chances are nil.  The announcement appears to concede that the Internet Party will not win an electoral seat which I think is right.

This will cause some concern for National’s strategists.  Dotcom has shown that he is a master of PR and the possibility of a determined, intelligent, well resourced German who has an intense dislike for this Government throwing his weight behind Labour and/or the Greens will terrify the right.  A couple of percentage points of party vote to the left could be the difference between winning and losing the next election.

National will no doubt be peering through the Electoral Act and wondering if its gutting of the Electoral Finance Act was such a good thing.  Perhaps the Electoral Finance Act was not so bad after all and big money involvement in an election should actually be frowned upon.

Another recent announcement concerning Kim Dotcom is the Green’s statement that if the Court issues a warrant for his extradition they will probably fight it.  If they are part of Government this could be significant.  Under section 30 of the Extradition Act 1999 the Minister of Justice has the final say on whether someone should be extradited once a Court has issued an extradition warrant.  The Minister can decide that the person is not to be surrendered if he determines that the person is accused of an offence based on an accusation against the person not made in good faith in the interests of justice “and having regard to all the circumstances of the case, it would be unjust or oppressive to surrender the person”.  There is also a wide residue discretion allowing the Minister to decline extradition if “for any other reason the Minister considers that the person should not be surrendered”.

According to the Herald the Green’s Russell Norman does not support the extradition process.

I just don’t think it’s fair … look at the way they have been acting illegally against him … They illegally raided his mansion, they illegally obtained evidence, they illegally gave the evidence to the US Government against the directions of a judge.

That is not a lawful or fair process.”

Norman has since backed away from this statement, denied that he has made any offers to Dotcom about his possible extradition but admitted that he had talked to Dotcom about not setting up the Internet Party.  He has also set out on Facebook his view of matters.

Labour are being more circumspect.  Again according to the Herald:

Labour leader David Cunliffe this morning rejected any suggestion that Labour would block an extradition order.

He said the court process so far appeared to show the Government’s actions were flawed, but he respected the separation between the judicial process and political matters.

His approach is conceptually the correct one.  This is a judicial process and not a political process.

This has not stopped another Jonoism from Paddy Gower who has reported that Labour is open to the idea of stopping the extradition and suggesting there was a political angle to it.  There is also an attempt to present the differences as a split between Labour and the Greens.  Some things are too subtle for 3News to understand.

What Cunliffe did is not rule anything out.  Any Minister making the decision has to have an open mind when considering the issue otherwise they will find themselves in the High Court quicker than you can say “Judicial Review”.  But I think it is safe to say that Dotcom’s prospects would be better under a new Government than they are under the current Administration although the implications on NZ-US relations of a Ministerial veto could be the most significant since the Nuclear Ship ban.

Dotcom’s extradition hearing is due to happen in June.  Appeals either way are very likely and I can see the case dragging out for at least 12 months.  The next Minister of Justice may have a rather difficult decision to make and the chances of Judicial Review of his or her decision are high.

Whatever happens I suspect that Dotcom will continue to be in the public eye for some time.

 

94 comments on “Dotcom’s extradition and the 2014 general election”

  1. Enough is Enough 1

    Gower is a real hurdle to democracy in this country. That is a fact.

    However, David really needs to learn (in a hurry) how to deal with the little dickhead. The removal of the word “but” from any sentence should really be the first thing he learns. He needs to make clear concise unconditional statements about what he would do. If there are any buts involved Gower will run with them.

    Gower has an agenda and there is no use crying about that. Cunliffe simply needs to be better at dealing with him.

    David has been found wanting on Dotcom and the baby bonus in this respect.

    Look to Norman or Turei for how to be more decisive

    • Colonial Viper 1.1

      As I’ve said before, Gowers top tier access can be seriously curtailed if required.

      • grumpy 1.1.1

        Really?????Why would Labour want to do that?

        • One Anonymous Bloke 1.1.1.1

          For one thing, the opposition is tax-payer funded, and Paddy Gower is a delusional conspiracy theorist who wants to be the story. There are plenty of journalists in the queue in front of wannabe gonzos.

  2. One Anonymous Bloke 2

    Given the crown’s illegal warrant, police perjury and breach of a sealed evidence room, what chance the minister will even have to decide?

    • mickysavage 2.1

      It may not be enough. The Courts may be able to exclude some of the evidence but I suspect there is still enough for them to pass the threshold.

      Then the Minister can consider the “good faith” provisions but to allege the US Government was not acting in good faith will require considerable political guts. The fact that he was charged with racketeering when he was at worst involved in copyright breaches could be evidence of bad faith however.

      Then there is the residuary discretion that the Minister has and a variety of considerations could arise.

      I see the situation as complex. I am sure the lawyers are having a good time though!

      • Enough is Enough 2.1.1

        I dont actually see it as that complex.

        I can’t seem to find examples of where the Minister has refused an extradition order. I would expect the only time they exercise that discretion would be on humanitarian grounds.

        If Dotcom was in line for 50 lashes and 10 years of hard labour I think a Minister should intervene if it is breach of international laws.

        Nothwithstanding the motivations of the US government, if the evidence stack up in the New Zealand court then on your bike dotcom. The Minister should not intervene.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 2.1.1.1

          According to you the minister has no function, since if the courts pass the warrant the minister shouldn’t intervene, and if the courts don’t pass it the minister won’t be involved at all.

          The minister has a statutory duty to perform that the court cannot.

          • PapaMike 2.1.1.1.1

            Not always so – there was an emigration case against a Sri Lankan girl which was overturned by the Minister a few years ago, although the Department felt it was unjust in the threat or being raped if she was sent back – she was sent back in spite of an uproar.

        • Actually I think it would be personally reasonable to refuse extradition simply because the MoJ doesn’t feel he will receive a fair and unbiased trial, regardless of whether the potential outcome of losing said trial would be humane or not.

      • One Anonymous Bloke 2.1.2

        Mickey, can’t the court consider the bogus charges?

        • mickysavage 2.1.2.1

          The quality of the charges is a relevant consideration for the Minister. The Court probably has the chance to consider the quality of evidence but the charge itself seems to have to be considered at face value by the Court.

    • PapaMike 2.2

      The case for extradition is a very difficult and complex one, and the warrant only has to show that the country applying for the extradition has lawful ground for doing so.
      Nothing else really matters

      • One Anonymous Bloke 2.2.1

        Lawful ground doesn’t sound very much like a bogus racketeering charge, but I get your point.

  3. ianmac 3

    Well said Micky and Andrew Geddis also has posted a very legal view of the Dotcom situation on Pundit. He agrees that Cunliffe words are correct and that Norman’s are a little loose/unwise.
    http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/will-no-one-rid-me-of-this-turbulent-german

  4. Lanthanide 4

    The other angle not mentioned in this post is that Kim Dotcom says he has proof that John Key knew who he was before the day of the mansion raid, which is something Key categorically denies.

    So if Key is found to be lying on this point, it’s a big black eye for him. The sort of thing a US president would be impeached on.

    The angle seems to be that John Key knew who Dotcom was and did a secret dirty deal with the yanks to have him extradited to face jail in the US. Lets hope that whatever Dotcom has, it is compelling and incontrovertible.

    • alwyn 4.1

      You are getting a bit carried away aren’t you?

      “If Key is found to be lying at this point, it’s a big black eye for him”.
      So far, so good but did you have to continue with the next sentence?
      “The sort of thing a US President would be impeached on”.

      Get real. You are aware, aren’t you, that only two presidents have ever been impeached. They were Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton. Are you really suggesting that none of the others lied, and that that fact was not widely known? Can you seriously claim that a President would be impeached just for a lie?

      Note this is not a comment on whether or not Key might have been aware of who Dotcom was. It is only a comment on the realism of an impeachment.

      Personally I think that most, if not all, politicians lie. They don’t admit it of course but they do.

      • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 4.1.1

        Yes, I was just talking with someone the other day who said just that ‘ah well, politicians lie’

        When asking this person ‘but don’t you think that Key is particularly dishonest – infact the most dishonest PM we have had”

        They didn’t seem to think so – it appeared more important to them to think Key was ‘just a common garden lying politician’ than to see things as they really are.

        I take this to be evidence of the workings of the toad in hot water – turning up the heat slowly – this is how seriously terrible political approaches get accepted – by increments.

        Fortunately this person doesn’t approve of Key enough to vote for him.

        I suspect that the rightwing are unconcerned about dishonesty in politicians – they expect it -as long as these politicians can dishonestly convince them that they are working in their interests – ‘it dunt matta if itz troo or not’ – they can then feel secure in their fragile little world of smoke and mirrors – comforted by the cooing of lies – there really is no reasoning with some people…how does the left counter such delusional creatures?

        • alwyn 4.1.1.1

          “When asking this person ‘But don’t you think that Key is particularly dishonest’” … “They didn’t seem to think so”.

          Of course they wouldn’t think so, at least if they had lived in New Zealand at any time between 1999 and 2008. We had, during that time, the most dishonest Prime Minister we have ever had. Well she was the most dishonest of any we have had since the Second World War. I can’t comment on the ones prior to that. We had a PM who, given the choice of telling the truth or making up a complicated lie would ALWAYS choose to tell a lie.

          It is wonderful to have a PM for the last five years who is honest. He may have some slips of the tongue, and an occasional slip during casual, unprepared speech but he doesn’t lie for the sake of lying like the leading figures in the parties of the left. I suppose they saw that HC was successful for a while and think it will continue to work for them.

          • Lanthanide 4.1.1.1.1

            :roll:

          • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 4.1.1.1.2

            Oh? so it has gone from ‘most MPs are liars’ to ‘John Key is honest’. Is he really? ‘Doesn’t lie for lying’s sake’ – Yes, correct; not many lying MPs do – they do it for their masters’ agenda.

            Heck Alwyn – what to say? You live in a fantasy world and appear rather committed to it It is hard to believe it possible that people are swallowing the crap you and your ilk are propagating , yet I am sure many will; as bereft of critical facilities as they would have to be. I guess that is why the National govt cut out all those informative TV channels, cut education support, are systematically undermining the higher education system and are tardy with paying teachers, [their enemies] No, they wouldn’t want people actually learning to think and must hate those that aim to do just that.

            As I said in my last comment – it is hard to know how to address people who are actively comforted by lies; prefer the world of smoke and mirrors to the uncertainty of the real world – except to say:

            ‘John Key is honest’ – Alwyn

            Thanks for giving me a laugh :lol:

          • You_Fool 4.1.1.1.3

            error: citation needed for comment that black is white

            • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 4.1.1.1.3.1

              @ You_Fool

              Yes, I await in great anticipation of Chris73 supplying the impossible link.

              While waiting I supply here a link to a book that provides categorical proof the John Key is a severely duplicitous man:

              The Hollow Men

              Conveniently this kills two birds because that such a book exists also supplies proof that Chris73 is not one to allow facts to get in the way of his delusional view on Mr Key.

      • Lanthanide 4.1.2

        Bill Clinton wasn’t impeached for telling a lie, so much as for telling a lie about an important incident and repeating it.

        Much as John Key has done with this. Go watch his Campbell Live interview when the thing broke, the whole segment was about 20 minutes long, with Key on for 10 minutes denying over and over again that he had ever heard of KDC before the day of the raid.

        If it turns out maybe Key did know of him, but it was just in-passing or in a name in GCSB briefing as may have happened, it’s no big deal at all, you’re right.

        But if Key did know about it, because he specifically did a deal with the yanks to put KDC behind bars, then it is a big deal because it looks like corruption and lying to the public in order to cover it up.

        • felix 4.1.2.1

          Nah, he might get away with having heard of him once in passing if he’d only denied it once in passing.

          But he has categorically, unequivocally, deliberately, and repeatedly denied it.

          That can never be spun as a casual oversight. If it turns out not to be true, it’s a massive deliberate lie over and over and over again.

          • You_Fool 4.1.2.1.1

            but for Smile and wave it was just a casual mention, he will be comfortable with the fact that he didn’t really take much notice to the name, I mean he gets mentioned lots of names to him everyday, and do we expect him to mention every name mentioned in his hearing ever? Smile and wave doesn’t have the memory for that! He hardly remembers when he has lunch with an old school friend…

      • One Anonymous Bloke 4.1.3

        “All politicians lie” has dubious value as an aphorism.

        All people tell lies. Politicians are no different. Questions arise, however. Is the lie substantive, based on honest opinion or a deliberate attempt to deceive? Is there a pattern of falsehood?

        …everyone makes some mistakes. And as historian of science Daniel Kevles showed so effectively in his book The Baltimore Affair, it can be hard to detect a fraudulent signal within the background noise of sloppiness… the question is, do the data and interpretations show signs of intentional distortion? When an independent committee established to investigate potential fraud scrutinized a set of research notes in Nobel laureate David Baltimore’s laboratory, it revealed a surprising number of mistakes. Baltimore was exonerated because his lab’s mistakes were random and nondirectional.

        Michael Shermer.

    • PapaMike 4.2

      Doubt it’s relevance to the case before the courts, as not relevant to case of extradition.
      Too many red herrings around.

      • Lanthanide 4.2.1

        It could easily be relevant to the case of extradition, if it transpires that Key agreed with the yanks to get KDM arrested and extradited in advance of the raid.

        It puts the motives of the whole case into question: is KDM being extradited because he broke the law, or is he being extradited because some very powerful people didn’t like what he was doing and so used an extra-legal process to try and get the outcome they wanted.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 4.2.1.1

          In Lanth’s scenario, to run the risk of leaving Dotcom’s extradition up to a National Party enabler justice minister would be a breach of natural justice, because the National Party trades in New Zealand legislation whenever it is in government.

  5. Phaedrus 5

    There’s also the issue that the Internet Party will be able to advertise during the campaign and one doesn’t need to be a rocket scientist to guess what the ads will target.

    • mickysavage 5.1

      And National will regret that it had gutted the EFA so badly. By the looks of it Dotcom will not be able to advertise himself but no doubt someone will pop up to do the job. There is also an exception to the restrictions on advertising for “any publication on the Internet, or other electronic medium, of personal political views by an individual who does not make or receive a payment in respect of the publication of those views.” I am sure Dotcom will make sure that he can express his views in a legal way.

  6. AWW 6

    I like DotCom. He’s a great character in a mostly boring country : )

    • minarch 6.1

      I think DotCom is simply a very bored, very wealthy man

      There isn’t a lot to do here in NZ if you have a lot of money (and are under 65) just ask any international student from a wealthy background,

      Obviously Mr DotCom cant just jump in the Cessna for a couple of nights clubbing in Ibiza anymore, so this seems to me to be just him getting his jollies at the expense of the integrity of our political system…

      • Colonial Viper 6.1.1

        Not sure why you are being so cynical. The issues of internet freedom, data privacy, protection of journalists, and prevention of arbitrary search and seizure are critical ones for the 21st Century.

        Yes, KDC is under the equivalent of house arrest – but I can think of no better country in the world for someone who is a family man – to be resident in.

        • minarch 6.1.1.1

          I can think of several better places to raise kids

          just a matter of my opinion, of course but I see no real future for my children here in NZ

      • weka 6.1.2

        “There isn’t a lot to do here in NZ if you have a lot of money (and are under 65) just ask any international student from a wealthy background,”

        There isn’t a lot to do here in NZ if you have a lot of money and don’t like being outside.

        fify

        Plenty of very rich people in NZ having a good time.

        • minarch 6.1.2.1

          you mean plenty of rich people in NZ dodging tax ?

          sounds like a good time to some i suppose..

          If you ask around Its a fairly common complaint, in fact KDC has stated as much himself.

          • weka 6.1.2.1.1

            Yes, but my point was that it’s the people that want city lives that complain. If you want that kind of life why would you come to NZ? The uber rich in NZ that are having a good time aren’t relying on city life.

  7. Puckish Rogue 7

    This is going to bite the Greens big time

    • alwyn 7.1

      One would like to think so PR but if you have a bunch of supporters like theirs, who seem to be able to believe almost anything that the party leaders feed them, I don’t think it will have that great an effect.

      Anyone who can believe that GM food will poison you, or that we can lead the world in producing and selling “Green” windpower technology, or that the people in the Sea Shepherd organisation are heroes, or that Assange is a leader in saving the world, is totally incapable of being discomforted by Norman’s behaviour.

      I have one acquaintance who is a strong Green Party supporter. She refuses to believe, in spite of all the evidence, that Norman is an economic illiterate whose ideas will wreck the New Zealand economy.
      As a retired public servant she gets her superannuation paid tax free. That is quite fair, in her view, and of course she shouldn’t have to pay tax. Tax is for other people to pay. I point out that the reason given for this absence of tax is the claim that it is a return of capital from the fund, and capital gains are not taxed. If a Green Party policy of taxation of capital gains will be implemented she tells me it won’t apply to her as “I’ve got a contract”. She ignores the fact that any contract can, and probably will, be broken by a Green Government.

      The fact that Norman appears to be open to being bribed won’t worry the Green Party members. The only thing that will bite the Greens is if the Dotcom party actually does get going and takes away some of their votes.

      • One Anonymous Bloke 7.1.1

        Duh. I am living proof of your delusions.

        I share Geddis’ view of Norman’s ill-considered remarks, but as for the other items in your little litany, Tory terror of the Greens is so cute. please keep displaying it.

        • alwyn 7.1.1.1

          “I am living proof”.
          Well that was quick. Somebody who is not worried by what Russel has been up to with his secret dealings with the big fat fellow. That demonstrates very clearly that my comments are not “delusions”. They really are the way that Green acolytes think.
          Q.E.D. (quad erat demonstrandum)

          [lprent: Or it could just indicate that you're a bit of an idiot since you managed to trigger 3 moderator responses in one wee comment. I could have overlooked any one. But three !

          1. I've never noticed that OAB leaning strongly green. So trying to say that he represents green voters is more than a stretch. It is simply stupid. Basically you appear to be making up a story (ie lying) rather than sticking to facts and/or opinion. I take a dim view of unsubstantiated opinions of fact..

          2. As far as I'm aware Russell didn't have "secret" meetings with KDC - that is simply crap. He had meetings with someone like most MPs do. By your logic every time I have a meeting with a MP it is both "secret" and suspicious. Reality is that it is part of their job. I'd have to class this as a lie as well.

          3. You're appear to be trying for a variant of the pwned heresy as a spin line with assertions of fact. I don't like those as they cause silly flamewars. It also is a symptomatic of a usual election year habit that I like crushing.

          Q.E.D. (quad erat demonstrandum). Indeed. Banned for 3 * 2 weeks. ]

          • One Anonymous Bloke 7.1.1.1.1

            Are you a bit English comprehension challenged, Ally Wally? Perhaps I should spell it out. You don’t get to define green politics, because you’re a partisan Tory shill. I reject your false narrative entirely, and yet, Wormtongue, that still gives me plenty of time and space to think that Norman’s statements and actions may be ill-advised.

          • View Balanced 7.1.1.1.2

            [deleted - look it is balanced view who is banned but using a new name running the same old troll lines - MS]

            • Blue 7.1.1.1.2.1

              Ha hilarious VB. Your accuracy in observation is truly life affirming but doomed to failure and a disproportionate level of abuse. You know you’re not allowed to offer a contrary view. Cue ban in 3…2…1….

      • Puckish Rogue 7.1.2

        Probably won’t change the hard core voters minds but the soft voters may well think twice about voting for an aussie import willing to sell out NZ law to a german convicted criminal just to gain power

        • Grantoc 7.1.2.1

          ” An aussie import willing to sell out NZ law to a german convicted criminal just to gain power”

          A good line for that nats to take into the election campaign.

          Is there such a thing as left wing cronyism? I suspect there is and I suspect Norman’s opposition to extradition proceedings for DC’s political patronage and money falls within it.

          Norman appears to also be having brain fades I see. He’s in good company – John Banks comes to mind.

          • One Anonymous Bloke 7.1.2.1.1

            So, National will sell the nation’s laws, and The Greens will sell Dotcom’s freedom.

            Best vote Labour.

            • Blue 7.1.2.1.1.1

              No. The Greens will sell their principles in return for keeping a hedonist multimillionaire off the charges he faces in the US, and the cheque he writes them, and supposed support his Internet party has. This just looks shabby. As shabby as dealing with Act in Epsom.

              It seems the unbridled and unprincipled pursuit of power is worth the loss of their values.

              • One Anonymous Bloke

                Okay, okay, The Greens will sell their principles in return for keeping a hedonist multimillionaire off the charges he faces in the US, and the cheque he writes them, and supposed support his Internet party has, and National will continue its usual practice of selling New Zealand legislation to its campaign donors.

                Best vote Labour.

          • You_Fool 7.1.2.1.2

            Or John Key, he has the best brain fades!

        • One Anonymous Bloke 7.1.2.2

          If that were true you’d have a point, but I think you’ll find that Green party policy is decided by the members, not the leaders.

          Of course, in a democratic party like National, the members have no say whatsoever in policy development. That is left to the party’s clients to buy.

    • McFlock 7.3

      how can it bite the greens “big time”?

      On planet key the Greens aren’t likely to be particularly popular, anyway. The only way they could sustain significant damage is if they currently have a significant amount of support.

    • aerobubble 7.4

      Oh, rubbish. Its everyones right to talk to politicians in confidence, and nobody is talking about what DotCom and Banks agree upon.

      So its ludicrous now. Of course everyone knows it may potentially harm Lab-Green prospects if a lot of young voters vote for dotcom. Duh.

      Its not journalism to suggest that senior MPs would want to look the guy in the eye, if they were going to back his case, and stop extradition. If anything its a bloody good idea.

      Are we going to get a innuendo driven diatribe of what Key and Ashcroft were up to???
      Please, politicians seek to do their jobs is not corrupt practice. And especially not the Greens
      since their stand issues, co-leadership and consensus, would make it impossible for Norman
      to do such a deal.

      Dotcom battle is political-economic in nature and means that Key’s use of the full force of government has political and economic dimensions, compromises to NZ sovereignty to
      bend over for private big media interests. How is that not corrupt?

      So when Norman does sign off on stopped the extradiction get back to us about corrupt practices, and start dealing to the current government DotCom case and its corrupt overtones.

      • aerobubble 7.4.1

        This is timeless, classic political analysis from lazy journalists, nothing has happened yet, whilst the government has mired our justice system in a joke of the DotCom case. All because Dotcom did not read all the private information in his archives and when he found copyrighted material tell authorities. Hardly a high crime, I pretty much want my postie to keep his nose out.

        • aerobubble 7.4.1.1

          Wait, but its worse!

          Why is nobody asking questions about some Key minion telling Dotcom he can get off by starting a party and keeping Key in power. Key’s team could then trip up the already tainted
          investigation. And we should all remember where DotCom’s politics initial preferences fell,
          by association yea will be damned, BANKS.

          If Peter, if Norman, why not also Key?

  8. So we have Norman, Peters and Brash (peters not) admitting they have all popped in to the Dotcom mansion – ffs has any political leader not been in to say ‘hello’ apart from that liar key? I sure as hell hope Hone doesn’t come out and say he’s been there – please say it ain’t so Hone.

    If you have the money everyone gives you the honey – embarrassing, the whole fucken greasy lot of them imo.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9713751/Peters-visited-Dotcom-3-times-Key

    • karol 8.1

      Yeah. Agreed marty. The Dotcom extradition court case etc, is important, and John key’s role a major issue.

      But I’d prefer tat the leaders of opposition parties didn’t give the impression their policies or support of the wealthy are up for sale.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 8.2

      Watch the wingnuts howl in outrage at Dotcom wanting to buy anyone’s influence but theirs. Fucking hypocrites. The National Party openly sells our gambling laws and any other damn thing its clients want. Private prisons, private schools, yes boss, three bags full boss.

  9. chris73 9

    Its more the utter hypocracy of Russel Norman thats causing the outrage

    • McFlock 9.1

      With the nactoids in charge we live in an hypocracy (lit. “rule by hypocrites”), typified by tories like you trying to fluff up some outrage about hypocrisy.

      • chris73 9.1.1

        We’ll see how it plays out in the media, I suspect it’ll be bad for the left

        • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 9.1.1.1

          Well that is the general trend of the media’s attitude toward the left so you really aren’t saying anything profound or difficult to predict at all there, C73

          • chris73 9.1.1.1.1

            Not trying to be profound, just pointing out that the chickens are now coming home to roost for those who thought KDC would take down JK (I’d say lay down with dogs and you get fleas but my dogs certainly don’t have fleas)

            http://liberation.typepad.com/liberation/2014/02/top-tweets-about-dotcom-the-internet-party-and-deals-with-other-parties.html

            • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 9.1.1.1.1.1

              We’ll see how it plays out in the media, I suspect it’ll be bad for the left

              No, you were attempting to sound knowledgable and predict something which is obviously going to happen.

              Then you supply me with a pile of hyperbolic witterings – and expect that proves something – it doesn’t

              Please try a little harder, C73 – this is embarrassing for you

              • chris73

                Not as embarrassing as it is for David Cunliffe and Winston Peters but even worse for Russell Norman

                I don’t have to try hard when the left generally are try hards

                • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill)

                  Stop trying to fool yourself Chris73, what you have attempted is substantially more embarrassing than some drama made up by jonolist-types…I mean fancy trying to sound knowledgable and like an expert on something so predictable…lol…and to make matters worse, thentrying to deflect the issue onto 3 professionals that are skilled at what they do…Oh dear me no, please stop you are simply digging a deeper hole for yourself….

                • mickysavage

                  Chris73 you will have to try harder. The day MPs stop talking to people in the community is the day that we should give up on democracy.

                  • chris73

                    Does that also apply to “chinless scarf wearers”?

                    • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill)

                      I don’t think it really serves your purpose to make references the National Party’s deceitful activities in 2004/5 with regard to the Exclusive Brethren.

                      This reminds us all how deceitful and dishonest the National party were in 2004/5 toward the NZ public in the name of pushing agendas that they knew the NZ public would reject.

                      It brings to mind the secret meetings that were being conducted by Brash with American war hawks and brings to mind Brash’s comment made to American warmongers “Gone by lunchtime”: made in reference to our nuclear-free policy.

                      These issues lost the National party the election.

                      It is a pity that the public don’t appear to realise that all the main players bar Brash are still currently main players in the National party: Key, McCully, Joyce to name a few.

                      The Hollow Men are still doing the dirty on us and New Zealand’s polls indicate that we are a dangerously misinformed, making us a severely malleable and overly trusting bunch of people.

                      Gee, No wonder Steven Joyce is acting to degenerate our higher education system he is acting to ensure we are even more misinformed.

                      Thanks for the reminder Chris73

            • Tracey 9.1.1.1.1.2

              whereas deliberately deleting information relevant to a court proceeding is… non flea-like?

        • McFlock 9.1.1.2

          You’re using the future tense now? But you said it was already “causing outrage”. So who is currently “outraged”? Bear in mind that tory shills like you don’t count, because your “outrage” is simply a duplicitous pretence that is caused by your blind faith in dunnokeyo.

          You want to see hypocrisy? Look at all the ladder-kickers who think that the assistance they personally received as children or young parents should not be provided to anyone else. But are you outraged about that? Noooooooooooooooooooooo.

          • chris73 9.1.1.2.1

            Nice attempt at diversion but thats not the issue :)

            • McFlock 9.1.1.2.1.1

              pointing out your transition from “are now” to “will maybe” is a diversion?

              You need to learn to read.

              • chris73

                Keep dancing on the head of a pin it may take the heat of Norman (I doubt it but you never know :) )

                • Tracey

                  Could be worse, could have been colluding with an anonymous group to get campaign exposure while promising to deny any collusion. Two people in the top four ministerial positions did just this…. but you trust them aye chris.

                • McFlock

                  There’s no “heat”. There will be no “heat”. You claimed that there was heat, then that there will be heat, but you are simply lying.

                  “Heat” is protests in the street, falling popularity, degrading relationships with the media, and having to admit that one misled parliament. Those seem to be largely the domain of our prime minister rather than anyone in the opposition.

  10. xtasy 10

    Sorry, I cannot help it, and cannot resist throwing in my comment on this. The election late this year seems to already have been decided, and whatever else Labour, Greens, NZ First and Mana or Maori Party may come up with, it will not matter, as it will all be shot to pieces by the MSM, as usual.

    My impression is it is a lost battle. That is at least on the media front. The privately, largely corporate owned and controlled mainstream media is staffed with all these “press gallery hacks”, various young, opportunistic, partly desperate journalists and the known “media personalities”, who are all in the pocket of their bosses (“do not bite the hand that feeds me”). They are almost all exclusively rather well to do, middle class, career minded “professionals”, who have their own dim views of anything “left”.

    The younger ones grew up with the neo-liberal system we have had for decades, where you fend for yourselves. If a person cannot make it, for whatever reason, at best she/he gets “pity”, but none else, and the losers will be forgotten and shun, like the poor in society. They simply do NOT identify with a society the Greens and Labour would prefer to create.

    Just listen to how MSM Radio Live report on events in Parliament, where Paula Bennett and the Prime Minister were today grilled on child poverty and the newest report out from the Salvation Army. Radio Live’s “Parliamentary reporter” Tom Fruean makes NO mention of that, and all that the public are told and informed about is how Winston Peters and the Speaker got head to head, and how Peters was thrown out of Parliament.

    http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Audio.aspx

    Put in the time 16:30 h for today (12.02.14) and listen from about 11 minutes and 35 seconds on in that audio track (total length 15 minutes).

    ALSO listen to Duncan Garner’s spin on political events today, implicating Peters in “murky” connections with Dotcom, starting a bit after 16:45 h (starting from about 11 minutes into that 15 min. recording).

    And note also: There are virtually NO liberal, left leaning or “green” friendly media staff out there in the MSM, well, I certainly do not see or hear them.

    The MSM, and Radio Live are just a small part of the lot, are all more or less focused on these side shows, on alleged “connections”, “deals”, “murky dealings” and scandals, that senior opposition MPs are now being dragged into. Key is quoted as challenging Norman to come and answer questions re his visits to the Dotcom mansion, so they are now also hunting down Peters and others.

    Yes, it is a perhaps mistake for the opposition to talk too much with Kim Dotcom, and it back-fires in such ways, but does nobody notice, the one sidedness of these media reports. Key has heaps of stuff to answer for, but he just smirks, shrugs and walks off, and they all let him get away with it.

    The truth is, there is an AGENDA, and it does not look good for the opposition. The MSM are not going to allow a Labour Green government, got the message? They will do all to rubbish anything that Labour, Greens, NZ First and so will come up with, and shoot it to pieces. On the other hand many of the “media personalities” are “matey” with Key, Joyce, Collins and others.

    No matter how good Cunliffe tries to present himself to the media, I see too many only looking for any angle to dismantle him. Indeed, it may be better to fully boycotte the MSM and follow a totally different strategy for this election campaign, which is already getting more dirty and nasty than anything I have heard and seen during the climax of any pre election period of past years.

    So I would not put too much hope into Dotcom being able to expose too much during the trial coming up. The MSM have apparently got over the “honeymoon period” they had with him, and are now rather looking at “exposing” and discrediting him, which again may well be due to it having been determined to be part of the “campaign” to keep the “good forces” in government (maintaining and promoting the commercial interests of the business forces controlling society as it is now).

    • mickysavage 10.1

      Agreed xtasy and I am beginning to regret my Key is a shapeshifter reptilian post. It seems to me that the really important news about child poverty has been obliterated by a whole lot of other stuff.

    • tc 10.2

      Xtasy nails it, Garner, Gower, RNZ now diluting the effective checkpoint with Moro to add to Gluon etc……teapot tapes was a marker for how under the thumb the MSM are.

    • Tracey 10.3

      The funny thing it is KEY who has said he will work with Winston, not labour and greens SO where are the retorts from labour and Green to ask Mr Key

      “If he is so concerned about Winston meeting with DotCom, will he rule out working with him in government post 2014 election?”

  11. Old Tony 11

    The “selling laws” line was a cute little nonsense that the Left got some traction with in relation to Sky City. Of course it overlooks the fact that the Labour Party was founded on the principle of selling employment relations law to the union movement. Ditto National to the Employers. Its called being in Government. But good to see the Greens now descending into the same muddied waters as the other parties.

    • karol 11.1

      False equivalence.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 11.2

      …Labour Party was founded on the principle of selling employment relations law to the union movement…

      No, you are mistaken. Unity is strength, the ability of unions to organise a government is testament to that.

      Freedom of expression and association.

      Choke on it, Old Tony, and don’t complain if your friend is unable to perform the Heimlich maneuver.

  12. hoom 12

    Does anyone know if its possible to extradite a sitting MP?
    Just saying…

  13. xtasy 13

    More MSM attacks:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11200875

    They seem to forget, that Banks had questions to answer re allegedly wrongly declared political donations to the tune of 50,000 dollars.

    So to treat these contacts that certain opposition MPs seem to have had with Dotcom in the same manner, as of being of the same kind of importance, is a bit “bizarre”, to say the least.

    It is not a good look for Norman, Peters and possibly some others having visited Dotcom to discuss his political party ambitions and other matters. But is it forbidden to visit persons of such calibre? Now, who has Key visited “in private” over the years? Who have other government ministers had contact with “in private” over the years, including high ranking business persons?

    Audrey Young, get real, while Peters should have fronted, it is just another media hype to whip this up in this form. Where are the tough questions asked to John Key, dear MSM???

    • Sanctuary 13.1

      John Armstrong is nothing if he isn’t the accurate reflection/mouthpiece of the entrenched political/business establishment. I am not about to claim Kim Dotcom is a selfless hero – far from it – but he is a complete outsider to the political establishment, an outsider who who seems rather effective at shining a torch on the venality, unethical behaviour, insider trading and rorting that is business as usual for the New Zealand political/business establishment. And for that, anyone who thinks of themselves as a player in the political/business establishment hate Dotcom with a passion. Winston Peters, another outsider, is also loathed for the same reasons and the Greens – who promise to bring at least some people (like Julie Anne Genter) into power who will upset some very cosy nudge nudge wink wink relationships are getting the same treatment.Pablo over at kiwipolitico frequently lambasts the casual corruption, inability to admit error and authoritarian impulses of the NZ political establishment in a security context, but the same traits are evident everywhere.

      I often ask people who posture outrage at Kim Dotcoms “interference” in our politics whether or not they consider our political establishment is worth defending from someone who so clearly exposes it for what it is. that usually shuts them up.

    • James N 13.2

      Why isn’t anybody asking just how JK knew with such certainty that Norman and Peters had visited Kim.com and exactly how many times in each case when such a exciting titbit had apparently escaped the vigilance of the MSM? GCSB anyone? I presume the boys in the anoraks monitor K.C but surely they wouldn’t be monitoring the movements of the Nact’s political opponents as well.

  14. Mr Tank 14

    This Paddy Gower seems like a right cunt. As to Za German being a PR genius give me a break. So far it has been like shooting fish in a barrel. Nothing I have seen leads me to expect anything stand out regarding his “party” or his supposed power to influence. Comrade Chairman Davo got it right. Thank F**k there is at least one grown up in the room.

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    Labour will work hard to ensure all New Zealanders enjoy the freedom to grow up and live their lives in dignity and security. Labour’s Rainbow policy, released tonight in Wellington, focuses on International Relations, Human Rights and Education....
    Labour | 26-08
  • National gets fast and loose with the facts
    In their desperation to make it look as though they are doing something about the housing crisis, National is playing fast and loose with the facts, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford....
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour will drop power prices for Kiwi families
    New Zealanders will get cheaper power prices under NZ Power, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “The electricity market is clearly broken. With falling demand for electricity, prices should be going down. Instead prices are going up and companies are extracting...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour: Promoting sustainable tourism
    Ensuring New Zealand’s clean, green status continues to be an international tourism benchmark and reviewing MBIE’s oversight of the tourism sector will be on the radar under a Labour Government. Releasing Labour’s Tourism policy today, spokesperson Darien Fenton said tourism...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Skills shortage a result of National’s complacency
    The fact that there is still a severe shortage of skilled tradespeople, despite a growth in the number of apprentices, is a result of National’s failure to plan and develop the workforce, Grant Robertson, Labour Employment, Skills and TrainingSpokesperson says."The...
    Labour | 26-08
  • How much tax does John Key pay compared to a minimum wage worker?? – Mint...
    MANA Movement Economic Justice spokesperson John Minto is calling for a radical overhaul of New Zealand’s taxation system with calculations showing that a minimum wage worker pays a ten times higher tax rate than the Prime Minister. o Minimum wage...
    Mana | 25-08
  • Labour’s culture of science and innovation
    Labour will create a culture of science and innovation in New Zealand that will be the envy of the world, says Labour’s Innovation, Research and Development spokesperson Megan Woods. “Labour believes that good science lies at the heart of a...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Improving life for our new New Zealanders
    New Zealand’s international standing as a community that encourages and fosters all cultures will be bolstered under a Labour Government with an upgrade of the present Office of Ethnic Affairs to a Ministry. Releasing Labour’s Ethnic Affairs policy, spokesperson Phil...
    Labour | 25-08
  • South Auckland housing crisis
    National’s HomeStart package is nothing more than a political stunt designed to beguile South Auckland voters, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. “Few working Pasifika and Maori workers in South Auckland will be able to buy their own...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Home buyer subsidy discredited in Oz
    Treasury advised against National’s policy of ramping up home buyer subsidies after it was discredited in Australia because it pushed house prices even higher, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “Documents released under the OIA (attached) show Treasury advised the...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Nursing hours explain turnover and high-stress culture
    A staff survey supports concerns nursing staff at Dunedin Hospital are under increasing pressure and that the emergency department is in a critical state, says Labour’s Associate Health Spokesperson David Clark.  “An ED nursing survey at Dunedin found that 80...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Underhand tactics prove case for axing donations
    Revelations that schools are using underhand tactics to coerce donations from cash-strapped parents further highlights the need for Labour's plan to increase funding so they aren't dependent on contributions from parents, Labour's Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “By law New...
    Labour | 24-08
  • National applies band-aid to housing crisis
    The Government’s flagship housing announcement is a band-aid approach that will push up prices rather than solve the housing crisis, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “House sales to first home buyers have collapsed as a direct result of the Government’s...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Climate change focus on the now for the future
    A Labour Governmentwill put in place a comprehensive climate change strategy focusing on bothmitigation and adaptation, establish an independent Climate Commission andimplement carbon budgeting, says Labour Climate Change spokesperson MoanaMackey."This is about future-proofing our economy. Making the transition to alow-carbon...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Labour’s 21st century transport pledge
    The next Labour-led Government will create a 21st century transport system for New Zealand that promotes the most efficient and sustainable combination of transport options, says Labour’s Transport spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour will rebalance the Government's transport spending away from...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Housing under National: the facts
    1.       House prices in Auckland Council valuations indicate Auckland house prices have gone up by one-third over the last three years. (Auckland Council) The average Auckland house price has gone up by nearly $225,000 since 2008, up over $75,000 in...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Labour irons out low income tax issue
    The increasing casualisation of work has led to many New Zealand families being disadvantaged through the tax they pay, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. "Many low paid workers are having to work two or three jobs to make ends meet...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Cornered Government comes out swinging
    The National Government is so desperate to keep its dead-in-the-water expert teachers policy alive, it has refused to rule out forcing schools to participate through legislation, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “John Key today attacked the Educational Institute for...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Pacific people continue to go backwards under National
    A report from Victoria University highlights the fact that Pacific people are continuing to go backwards under a National Government, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio.  “The report shows the largest inequality increases were in smoking, obesity, tertiary...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Wellington transport plan needs to keep moving
    The failure of the Transport Agency to properly look at alternatives to the Basin Reserve flyover is not a good reason for further delays to improving transport in Wellington, Labour MPs Grant Robertson and Annette King say. “The Board of...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Labour’s focus on inequality, kids and better job prospects
    Tackling child poverty and removing barriers to people working part time to enhance their prospects of moving into a fulltime job are highlights of Labour’s Social Development policy. Releasing the policy today, spokesperson Sue Moroney said while part-time work was...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Political staff should give answers under oath
    The Inspector General of Security and Intelligence should use her full statutory powers to question witnesses under oath about the leak of SIS information, says Labour MP Phil Goff. “Leakage of confidential information from the SIS for political purposes is...
    Labour | 21-08
  • High dollar, hands-off Govt sends workers to dole queue
    The loss of up to 100 jobs at Croxley stationery in Auckland is devastating news for their families and the local Avondale community, Labour’s Employment, Skills and Training spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “The company’s inability to compete in international markets...
    Labour | 21-08
  • National’s flagship education policy dead in the water
    National’s plan to create executive principals and expert teachers is effectively dead in the water with news that 93 percent of primary teachers have no confidence in the scheme, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “The fact that teachers are...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Dunedin will be a knowledge and innovation centre under Labour
    Dunedin will become a knowledge and innovation centre under a Labour Government that will back local businesses, support technology initiatives and fund dynamic regional projects, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Nowhere has the National Government’s short-sightedness been more apparently than...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Inquiry into SIS disclosures the right decision
    Labour MP Phil Goff says the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has done the right thing by launching an inquiry into the disclosure of SIS documents about a meeting between himself and the agency’s former director-general. “This inquiry is necessary...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Labour – supporting and valuing carers and the cared for
    Placing real value on our elderly and the people who care for them will be a priority for a Labour Government, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. Releasing Labour’s Senior Citizens policy today David Cunliffe promised that a Labour Government would...
    Labour | 20-08
  • By Hoki! It’s Labour’s fisheries policy
    A Labour Government will protect the iconic Kiwi tradition of fishing by improving access to the coast, protecting the rights of recreational fishers and reviewing snapper restrictions, Labour’s Fisheries spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “Catching a fish from the rocks, beach...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Mighty River – Mighty Profits – Mighty hard to swallow
    Mighty River Power’s profit increase of 84 per cent is simply outrageous, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “Demand for electricity is flat or declining yet the company has made enormous profits. It is the latest power company to celebrate...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Collins’ actions were wrong, not unwise
    John Key’s moral compass remains off-kilter as he cannot bring himself to declare Judith Collins’ actions outright wrong, not simply ‘unwise’, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “Under pressure John Key is finally shifting his stance but his failure to condemn...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Public servants behaving with more integrity than their masters
    The State Services Commission's new report on the integrity of our state services reflects the yawning gap between the behaviour of public servants and that of their political masters, Labour's State Services spokesperson Maryan Street says. “This report, which surveyed...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Phil Twyford Speech to NZCID
    "Labour's plan to build more and build better: how new approaches to housing, transport and urban development will deliver cities that work" Phil Twyford, Labour Party spokesperson on housing, transport, Auckland issues, and cities.  ...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Labour commits to independent Foreign Affairs and Trade
    “Labour is committed to New Zealand’s Foreign Affairs and Trade policy being independent and proactive, Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer says. “We are a small but respected country. Our voice and actions count in international affairs. Labour will take a...
    Labour | 19-08
  • TheDailyBlog September Political Poll Has Been Kicked Off
    The Daily Blog’s August poll has concluded and the September poll has been kicked off, asking readers: What party will you likely vote for at this year’s General Election? You will see this month’s poll in the right-hand sidebar of...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – Jamie Whyte, leave that poor seal alone!
    Worse than showing mere lip service to Rainbow inclusion, ACT leader Jamie Whyte showed stunning arrogance when appeared at a candidates debate on rainbow issues hosted by the Auckland University Students’ Association last Thursday. The stunning hypocrisy was evident as...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Right wing can’t help but use scum
    Some people have been shocked that the traditional right wing party in New Zealand politics is so deeply embedded with scum like the blogger Whale Oil. We need not be so surprised. It takes a certain type to support the...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • EXCLUSIVE: National’s Ohariu candidate admits contact by Simon Lusk
    . . Wellington, NZ, 31  August – At a meet-the-candidates public meeting in the Rongotai Electorate, National’s Ohariu candidate, Brett Hudson, confirmed that he had been approached by “a mate”, who passed on a message from  National Party operative, Simon...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Auckland Broadcasting Debate 2014
    Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Auckland Broadcasting Debate 2014...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Petition for Governor General of New Zealand to Investigate all the allegat...
      Now we see the inquiry will be a whitewash, that is secret, won’t be consulted with the Opposition, will have limited scope and will ignore Nicky Hager’s book, we must demand the Governor General step in and demand an...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Ashburton, 1 September 2014
    I NEVER WENT BACK to Aramoana after the killing. I had been a frequent visitor to the tiny seaside village back in the late 1970s and throughout the 80s. Its tall cliffs and broad beaches providing a colourful backdrop to...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Checkmate in 1 move – how could Slater have known what was in OIA request...
    And now we get down to the final few moves before checkmate. If the following investigation is right, how could Slater and Collins have known what was in the Secret Intelligence Service Official Information Act request that hadn’t been released...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • The Edge Posts Naked Photos Of Jennifer Lawrence Without Consent
    Today the Edge website – owned by Media Works – published fully naked photographs of Jennifer Lawrence without her consent. It is not OK to publish naked media of any woman without her consent, full stop. It is absolutely disgusting...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Bomber, Laila and Maggie – a highlight from Auckland Broadcasting Debate ...
    Bomber, Laila and Maggie – a highlight from Auckland Broadcasting Debate 2014...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, how good was I i...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Maggie Barry slags Laila Harre & blogger, audience erupt
    The Coalition for Better Broadcasting held their public meeting in Auckland last night and it became a fiery shouting match when Maggie Barry decided to slag Laila Harre and me off. 250 people packed into the Pioneer Hall off High...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • It has to be a full independent public inquiry and Key MUST front
      You know things are bad when images like this start appearing in the media.  It isn’t a ‘left wing conspiracy’ to point out the over whelming evidence of what is clearly a right wing conspiracy! If it looks like a conspiracy, sounds like a conspiracy...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Political Party social media stats – National playing Dirty Politics on s...
    Interesting data from friend of the blog, Marty Stewart, on social media likes and it shows an interesting question that post Dirty Politics should probably get asked…   …it’s interesting that Key has so many personal followers.  One wonders if...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • The depth of the National rot and the compliance of our news media
    I’m so tired. Aren’t you? I don’t want to read the news anymore. It’s awful and I feel ashamed of it. We live in a country that people all over the world would give an arm, a leg; their life...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Conservative Party candidate links smacking ban with suicide, sexually tran...
    If Chemtrails, faked moon landings and climate change denial weren’t enough, welcome to your new Minister for Spanking,  Edward Saafi... The anti-smacking law is to blame for youth suicide, youth prostitution and even sexually-transmitted infections, a leading Conservative party candidate...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • A brief word on the canonisation of Matthew Hooton
    Before we all start the canonisation of Matthew Hooton, let’s consider some home truths here shall we? While the Wellington Ruminator Blog, the blog who was previously mates with Judith Collins, now seems to have a crush on Matthew Hooton… …I...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • A brief word on undercover cops in bars
    Dunedin police booze operation labelled ‘creepy’ Undercover police officers drank in Dunedin bars as part of an operation targeting liquor licensing offences. While police said the inaugural operation was a success — with most bars found compliant — the Hospitality...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Judith Collins press conference
    Judith Collins press conference...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Angry Lawyer – Collins, Odgers, Williams and legal ethics
    We deserve better lawyers than Judith Collins Three of the worst offenders exposed in Dirty Politics are lawyers: Judith Collins, Cathy Odgers, and Jordan Williams. What Nicky Hager exposed them doing would be out of line for anyone, but from...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – Necessary Defence
    Increasingly climate change is becoming the main fracture line between political parties. Where political parties stand on climate change defines political parties and movements like no other issue. The Mana Movement like the Maori Party it sprang from, came out...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Why it is all over for John Key
    Image: Melanie D I’ve been confident that National will lose this election and that our focus should be on what a progressive Government needs to establish as its agenda in the first 100 days. Past that point, the establishment pushes back...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • A brief word to everyone who voted National in 2011
    I received this interesting email from a National Party supporter today… …let me say this to anyone who voted National last election – you should be ashamed by what has been revealed and what your vote ended up enabling but...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • EXCLUSIVE: Déjà Vu All Over Again: John Ansell confirms his participation...
      THE MAN BEHIND the Iwi-Kiwi billboards that very nearly won the 2005 election for Don Brash and the National Party has confirmed his involvement in businessman John Third’s and former Act MP Owen Jennings’ campaign to drive down the...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Public Broadcasting Auckland debate 6.30pm tonight now with Colin Craig &am...
    The Coalition for Better Broadcasting debate on public broadcasting happens tonight at 6.30pm in Auckland at the Pioneer Women’s Hall, High Street, Auckland City.  In the light of Dirty Politics and the manipulation of the media, public broadcasting is more important for...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Winners & Losers in Collins sacking plus what’s the latest on Slater...
      Make no mistake, there was no way this was a resignation, it’s a face saving way out for Collins, she was sacked.  My understanding is that National internal polls are haemorrhaging and that the powers that be within National...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Third party propaganda attacks incoming Labour-led government
    . . Further to a report by Daily Blogger, Chris Trotter, on receiving information regarding planned attack-billboards, the following billboard is highly visible to traffic on the southbound lane of the Wellington motorway, just prior to the Murphy St turn-off....
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Labour wins the Internet
    I’m sure I’m not the only one who tried to vote online for the leaders debate and couldn’t because the website was down. The next option was the txt vote, 75c a pop of course. So I’m not surprised that...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – Rotherham and the need to challenge willful bl...
    I haven’t been following the events in Rotterham too closely.  I’ve read about the basic issues and the culture of silence that stopped action been taken even after complaints were made.  That culture of silence is incredibly familiar, and described...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Review: Hairspray
      Oh Hairspray! What fun! Somehow I managed to miss the movie when it came out, I had no idea really what it was about though I felt it had a vague relation to High School Musical. In retrospect, that...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Mounting global pressure against Timor-Leste’s ‘death sentence’ media...
    East Timor’s José Belo … courageous fight against ‘unconstitutional’ media law.Image: © Ted McDonnell 2014 CAFÉ PACIFIC and the Pacific Media Centre Online posted challenges to the controversial ‘press law’ nine months ago when it emerged how dangerous this draft...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Spies, Lies and When Campaigns Are Fried
    Like most of the rest of the nation’s political classes, I was eagerly affixed to TV One from 12:30 on Saturday afternoon to witness the downfall of Judith Collins.Whenever we witness the crumbling of a titan of the political landscape...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • BREAKING: Whaleoil crushes Crusher
    Judith ends up shooting herself A new email has been released suggesting that Collins was attempting to undermine the head of Serious Fraud Office with the help of far right hate speech merchant Cameron Slater. Unbelievable!   She has been forced...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • BREAKING: Rumours Judith Collins gone at lunchtime
    Brook Sabin first of the mark with rumours Judith Collins is about to resign – PM announcing a statement at 12.30pm… …Paddy follows… …Vance confirms..   …if Collins is gone by lunchtime, it will be because the PM understands the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • BREAKING: UPDATE on DIRT ALERT!
    Thanks to the information passed to Chris Trotter by “Idiot/Savant” from No Right Turn it is now possible to identify at least some of the persons involved in this latest example of attack politics. What follows is Chris’s response to Idiot/Savant’s timely assistance: Well done...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Comparing burning puppets, hip hop lyrics and drunk student chants to black...
    Watching the mainstream media try and obscure Cunliffe’s surprise win in the leaders debate  is a reminder the Press Gallery is in depressed shock. The current spin line from the Wellington bubble media in the wake of Dirty Politics is that...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Why has it all gone quiet on Charter Schools?
    They’re one of ACT’s flagship policies and the National Party have been gung ho in supporting them. So how come we’re not hearing Hekia Parata, Jamie Whyte, Catherine Isaac, et al singing from the rafters about what a resounding success charter...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Moment of Truth – September 15th – Auckland Town Hall
    Moment of Truth – September 15th – Auckland Town Hall...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • EXCLUSIVE: Dirt Alert! Are the Greens and Labour about to become the target...
    WE’VE SEEN IT ALL BEFORE. In 2005 pamphlets began appearing all over New Zealand attacking Labour and the Greens. For a couple of days both the parties targeted and the news media were flummoxed. Who was behind such an obviously...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • The Donghua Liu Affair: the Press Council’s decision
    . . 1. Prologue . The Donghua Liu Affair hit  the headlines on 18 June, with allegations that David Cunliffe wrote a letter in 2003,  on  behalf of  business migrant, Donghua Liu. Four days later, on Sunday 22 June, the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • The difference between Cunliffe & Key in the debate
    It was with much interest that I watched the leaders debate on Thursday night.  I watched with an open mind, always happy to have my opinion changed.  Maybe John Key is all the wonderful things that many say about him,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Denis Tegg – When Did We Agree To Our Data Being Shared with ...
    New shocking evidence has emerged from Edward Snowden’s trove of documents about a program called ICREACH under which data collected by the GCSB is shared with 23 US spy agencies. Under new sharing agreements which appear to have commenced immediately after...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Why Internet MANA are the best political friends the Greens could ever get
    Metiria at last nights #GreenRoomNZ: standing on the shoulders and camera cases of giants  NZers, regardless of political spectrum or apathy level, have a wonderful beach cricket egalitarianism about us. If we can objectively conclude a winner, then that person...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Sick of the Sleaze? Protest against National’s dirty politics THIS SATURD...
    Sick of the Sleaze? Protest now dammit! Three weeks before the election, action is being taken across the country voicing a rejection of the National Government’s track record and direction. Rallies are being held in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Sir Edmund Thomas – Address at Nicky Hager public meeting
    I regard it as privilege to chair this public meeting. I have long had the greatest admiration for Nicky Hager’s work, and nothing I have read or heard in the media over the past week or so has caused me...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Labour and New Zealand Superannuation
    The kerfuffle in the wake of Nicky Hager’s Dirty Politics has had a detrimental impact on our discussion of economic policies. Signs are that the main beneficiaries of the dirty politics revelations will be Winston Peters and Colin Craig; certainly National suffered...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Mike Hosking and the Leader’s Debat...
    A few weeks ago I blogged that Mike Hosking was a terrible choice as moderator for the TV One Party Leader’s Debate, because he is so embarrassingly biased in favour of John Key. So I watched the show with curiosity,...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Democracy and Cancer: A critical analysis of Dirty Politics
    Twenty years ago, England’s renowned television playwright Denis Potter died of pancreatic cancer.  Readers may recall his two masterpieces ‘Pennies from Heaven’ and ‘The Singing Detective’.  During a final television interview with Melvyn Bragg, Potter declared that he had named...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Cunliffe beats Key in First Leaders debate
    I watched the First Leaders debate at the Green Party #GreenRoomNZ, they were very kind to include me and the atmosphere was great. The debate was a resounding victory to Cunliffe. He won Round 1, Round 2, Round 3 and...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • LIVE STREAM: The Green Room Leader’s Debate from 6:30pm
    The Green Room will be hosted by media commentator Russel Brown, and will feature Green Co-leaders Metiria Turei and Russel Norman responding to the debate live, along with comment from thought leaders and commentators. ‘The Green Room’ 6pm – 8.30pm...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Ngai Te Rangi Change to Tribal Elections
    Ngai Te Rangi has begun a postal vote of beneficiaries to change the way representatives are elected to the two Ngai Te Rangi tribal organisations....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Greens’ commitment to pay equity welcomed by workers
    The Public Service Association (PSA) says the 58,000 workers they represent will benefit from the announcement by the Green Party of a commitment to pay equity and to a living wage for core public servants and contractors....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Real People Powering Real Policy
    New Zealanders from all walks of life have helped the Internet Party create a full platform of strong, progressive and realistic policies that will create a better future for everyone, says leader Laila Harré....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • University of Canterbury to help with forestry safety
    The University of Canterbury is to launch a new research project to make sure New Zealand’s new forestry roads are safe and are established with minimal environmental impact....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Time to get serious about ending homelessness!
    New Zealand needs a comprehensive set of policies that address the housing and support needs of homeless people as well as significantly increasing the supply of affordable, good quality houses and flats....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Hundreds to join domestic, sexual violence march
    Several social service providers from across New Zealand have come together to call for an end to the epidemic level of domestic and sexual violence in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Students helped with debt repayments
    New Zealand students now living in Australia are being reminded not to ignore their student loan debt as Inland Revenue expands its latest tool to help with repayments....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Launch of GenderNeutral.co.nz website
    GenderNeutral.co.nz are excited to announce the launch of their new website, GenderNeutral.co.nz ....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Factory farming debaters to look chicken in the eye
    MPs participating in a panel discussion about factory farming will come face-to-face with a real live hen, rescued from the claws of the intensive farming industry. Hettie the Hen will demonstrate to the MPs what little space is afforded to...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Leadership stands strong behind Internet MANA relationship
    “There is now, and always will be, a range of views about many issues within our movement and members are free to express them, but Georgina’s views on Kim Dotcom are not shared by the MANA Movement leadership or the...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Personal Statement by Matthew Hooton
    Personal Statement by Matthew Hooton 1 September 2014 For Immediate Release “This morning I made comments on Radio New Zealand’s Nine to Noon programme about an attempt by staff in the Prime Minister’s Office to interfere in the appointment...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • The Worm turns down for John Key
    John Key struggled to coax The Worm above the line in Thursday’s Leaders Debate, according to Roy Morgan’s Reactor, the original Worm. John Key struggled to coax The Worm above the line in Thursday’s Leaders Debate, according to Roy Morgan’s...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • The Edge Posts Naked Photos Without Consent
    The Edge website, owned by Media Works have published fully naked photographs of Jennifer Lawrence without her consent....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Statement from the Governor-General on Ashburton Shootings
    The Governor-General, Lt Gen The Rt Hon Sir Jerry Mateparae, has expressed his deep shock following the shooting of three people in Ashburton today....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Update on IGIS inquiry into release of NZSIS information
    In recognition of the public interest, the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security, Cheryl Gwyn, took the unusual step of providing an update during the course of an inquiry and confirmed today that she would be summoning a number of individuals...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • An Open Government Plan developed in secrecy
    The State Services Commission sent NZ’s Open Government Action Plan to the international Open Government Partnership (OGP) Secretariat on 31 July. The countries involved in the OGP since its inception - from the UK and US to Indonesia and Brazil...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • KiwiRail; another year older and deeper in debt
    That is a lot of money and there are lessons that need to be learnt before we pour in another $1 billion....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Fonterra China Deal Demands Safe Supply Chain
    The future success of Fonterra’s deal to sell infant formula in China [1] requires all milk it uses be safe and for Fonterra to secure its supply chain from contamination by GE DNA and pesticide residues. There is now significant...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • HRC praises Auckland mum for speaking out
    Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy has praised an Auckland mother of four who went public after humiliating treatment by staff at The Warehouse....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Southern DHB refers disputed issue to Serious Fraud Office
    Following advice from forensic investigation firm Beattie Varley Limited, Southern District Health Board has referred the expenditure at the centre of its long running dispute with South Link Health to the Serious Fraud Office. The parties have been...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • The Letter 1 September 2014
    Last night’s TVNZ Colmar Brunton poll puts the left and right 60 MPs each. United and the Maori Party say they will go with the side that gets to 61 MPs. ACT just needs just 1.3% or 28 thousand Party...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Shopping Giveaway Harmless Fun For Kids
    Family First NZ is rubbishing claims by critics including Gareth Morgan that the New World ‘Little Shop’ promotion is harmful for kids, and says that kids should be allowed to be kids. “Children love acting like their parents and pretending...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Red Cross launches employment service for former refugees
    New Zealand Red Cross is encouraging employers to give refugees a fresh startwith the launch of Pathways to Employment, a nationwide work assistance service....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • EDS welcomes Labour’s Conservation Policy
    The Environmental Defence Society has welcomed Labour’s Conservation Policy including the key objective of halting the current pattern of indigenous biodiversity decline within ten years....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Poverty is falling and income inequality is not rising
    “A Roy Morgan poll shows that the issue people are most concerned about is income inequality. This just goes to show how the persistent repetition of a lie bewilders the public. Income inequality is not in fact rising. And the...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Rotary NZ responding to Fiji water and sanitation issues
    Clean water and sanitation are vital to health. In Fiji Rotary New Zealand have been targeting 22 communities that are experiencing severe hardship mainly because they don’t have access to clean water for their drinking, cleaning and cooking needs....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Work & Income shooting a Tragedy
    Kay Brereton speaking on behalf of the National Beneficiary Advocacy Consultancy group says; “Two people shot and another wounded, this is a tragedy and our deepest sympathy goes out to the family and whanau of the victims, as well as...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • 1080 Poison Deer Repellent not Effective – Farmers
    Four deer have been found dead within a farmer's bush block, after an aerial 1080 poison drop applied with deer repellent. The drop was part of a 30,000 hectare drop across the Northern Pureora Forest Park....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Employment Charter will strengthen migrants’ rights
    Establishing an Employment Charter for construction companies is a critical step to strengthening the rights of migrant workers that are fast becoming the face of the Christchurch rebuild, according to an alliance of union groups. The charter has...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Global March For Elephants and Rhino
    It’s a trans-national business that funds terrorist organisations, fuels conflict in Africa, and poses environmental, development and security challenges. The illegal wildlife trade is also a lucrative business, generating an estimated USD$20 billion...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • New series of videos aimed at disengaged youth
    From the people who brought you 'NZ Idle' (NZ's favourite web series about an artist on the dole) comes a new series about election time: Choice Lolz....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Picket Of Leaders Christchurch Debate
    KEEP OUR ASSETS PICKET OF LEADERS CHRISTCHURCH DEBATE TUESDAY SEPTEMBER 2nd, 6 p.m. ST MARGARETS COLLEGE, SHREWSBURY STREET, MERIVALE...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Vega Auriga should be detained in NZ until problems fixed
    Maritime Union of New Zealand National Secretary Joe Fleetwood says that the ship Vega Auriga should be detained in a New Zealand port until it is deemed seaworthy and crew issues have been fixed....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Minor Parties Added to Election ‘Bribe-O-Meter’
    The Taxpayers’ Union have added the Green, ACT, United Future and Conservative Parties to the ‘ Bribe-O-Meter ’ hosted at taxpayers.org.nz . Excluding ACT and New Zealand First, the total election ‘bribes’ - that is new spending not already...
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Fiery Broadcasting Debate in Auckland
    Over 250 people turned out for the Auckland Broadcasting and Media Debate in Auckland City last night to hear politicians give their solutions to NZ’s media and broadcasting woes....
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Independent Epsom Candidate: Adam Holland
    Today I am very proud to have been nominated to run as an independent candidate by the people of Epsom in order to work hard for the people of Epsom, Mount Eden, Newmarket and Remuera....
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Voters favour parties with factory farming policies
    A Horizon Research poll shows that 64.7% of adults are more likely to vote for a political party with a policy against factory farming....
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Collins And Dirty Politics Drive The #nzpol Wordcloud
    After Judith Collins' resignation as Minister from Cabinet on Saturday, the data insight organisation Qrious collected all tweets that used the hashtag #nzpol and for approximately the 24 hours since the announcement to produced this wordcloud....
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Bill English: allegations against Judith Collins are serious
    Deputy Prime Minister Bill English told TV1’s Q+A programme that the allegations against Judith Collins are serious and that’s why an inquiry is needed....
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Culture Change Required
    "There are serious issues raised in an Employment Relations Authority judgement released this week. The culture within the Whangarei District Council (WDC) organisation must change. The culture of any organisation is defined by its leadership starting...
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Reducing Reoffending Statistic Challenged
    In Rethinking’s latest blog, http://blog.rethinking.org.nz/2014/08/th-bps-reducing-crime-and-reoffending.html it closely examines the current claim that reoffending in New Zealand has reduced by 12.5% since June 2011, and reveals how that figure has been achieved. It argues...
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • University economics team studying workers’ comparing wages
    A University of Canterbury economics research team is looking at fairness of the job assignments and whether workers are sensitive to the wages of their co-workers....
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Statement by State Services Commissioner
    30 August 2014 "The State Services Commission was contacted by the Prime Minister's Office over the last 24 hours on this issue." “Any activity that undermines, or has the potential to undermine, the trust and confidence in the public service...
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Christchurch Council Circus … Continued
    In 2010 the UK Daily Mail investigated the antics of a major bureaucratically bloated London Local Authority and reported with THE GREAT INERTIA SECTOR ....
    Scoop politics | 30-08
  • The Nation Housing Debate
    Patrick It's the great Kiwi dream, but is owning the roof over your head now just a pipe dream for many Kiwis? Homeownership is at the lowest level in half a century. National's answer is to double subsidies to first-home...
    Scoop politics | 30-08
  • Time to Shine Light on Shadowy Spies
    Internet MANA has promised to set up a Royal Commission of Inquiry into New Zealand’s intelligence agencies, with a view to transferring oversight of spying operations to a new, independent authority....
    Scoop politics | 30-08
  • New Zealand’s biggest problems are Economic Issues
    New Zealand’s biggest problems are Economic Issues (41%) while the World’s most important problems are War & Terrorism (35%) just three weeks before NZ Election...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • NZ 2014 Leaders Index – week ending 29 August
    Below is iSentia’s first weekly Leaders’ Index, showing the relative amount of coverage of nine Party Leaders in the lead up to the National Election across news media and social media. We will produce these reports for the next three...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Judgment in Paki v Attorney General
    Tamaiti Cairns said that today’s Supreme Court decision is complicated, but, in essence opens the door for Maori people to go forward with their essential claims to water. Further work is required and Pouakani Trust will continue to pursue its...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Supreme Court Decision on Maori Water Rights
    “ … the Supreme Court refused to give Pouakani people what they asked for, but may have given them something much, much better instead. The Appellants had argued that the Crown’s ownership of the River was as a fiduciary for...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
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