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DPF oops

Written By: - Date published: 10:02 am, June 13th, 2013 - 109 comments
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Bad day for National’s favourite blogger yesterday:

dpf-idiot

So, Farrar condescends that – “It is well known you can not distribute pre-filled in or pretend ballot papers. We’ve had this law for decades.” – then promptly demonstrates his ignorance of that law by accusing Labour of breaking it when they aren’t. It only applies within 3 days of polling. Ooops. After being repeatedly called on it (I liked the take at Imperator Fish) he eventually added “NOT” to the title of the post. (He has subsequently also changed the text of “UPDATE2″.)

As one of the comments observes:

Clearly he’s too busy doing important stuff like, tweeting, to notice this.

Yup, sorry Kiwibloggers, it’s true, Farrar is busy playing with his cool new friends on Twitter instead of you. He shares jokes about you too behind your backs…

fisher-on-the-sewer

Serious point though – comment moderation at Kiwiblog is definitely needed.

109 comments on “DPF oops”

  1. felix 1

    What a week. First Hooten talks bullshit and now Farrar writes it.

    Shock I am.

    • Anne 1.1

      Another cup of tea and a lie down felix? :razz:

    • lprent 1.2

      I’m testing a new monitoring system this week. It just blecked at me (like a Weber treecat) because this post is being read by more people than the front page is right now and it thought it was suspicious.

      Just the sewer rats I’d guess. They’ll get over the shock of criticism shortly. They have no memory for facts – just myths.

      *shrugs && turns down the alarm sensitivity*

      • r0b 1.2.1

        Somebody promoted this to front page – wasn’t me!

        • lprent 1.2.1.1

          I did :twisted:

          I’m observing it on analytics in real time because we’ll get a high number of a readers on this in a relatively short time.

          Besides the top story was from yesterday and we haven’t turned over the sewer in a while.

      • Pasupial 1.2.2

        @1prent
        “Bleeked” surely? Though I can barely stand to read Weber nowadays; what with his diatribes against Haven’s “dolists”, and all the other right wing memes he embeds in his books (plus I find the treecats a bit twee). However, I do like the more recent Mesa/ genetic slavery stuff, especially the; Congo series with Eric Flint (same universe, different feel – though still a fair bit of tweeness).

        Walter Jon Williams'; Praxis series, is pretty kick-arse space opera though, and unlike his; Metropolitan series, he actually finished it! Also, now that Iain Banks is gone from us; I find myself longing to fill in the gaps in my reading of the Culture series. But who has time for fiction these days?

        • lprent 1.2.2.1

          Weber is like that. Sucks down a history like French politics and thinks about it shallowly – witness his obsession with aristocrats. He is better in something like thew safehold series.

          I just read fast otherwise I couldn’t monitor this site. But I usually read a fiction book a day. Reading in bed on the nexus 7 in the middle of the night when I wake up seems to be my forte at present. Annoys Lyn.

    • halfcrown 1.3

      “What a week. First Hooten talks bullshit and now Farrar writes it.

      Shock I am.”

      I’m not. It is par for the course for these right wing prats

    • David H 1.4

      And you are shocked ?? WHY??

      Hootens horseshit is my weekly comedic reading. And Kiwislop only when I need to feel dirty, without playing in the mud with my 2 year old. Whaleslime only by mistake do go there.

  2. BLiP 2

    Heh! Nice to catch Farrar out in so obvious a lie. Usually, his manipulations are a little more subtle in that he uses a subtext to promote a meme then amplified by his slavering pack of KiwiBog poodles.

    Serious point though – comment moderation at Kiwiblog is definitely needed.

    Oh, I dunno. Its kinda useful to have the thinking processes and internal dialogue that goes on amongst National Ltd™ voters out in the open.

  3. Gosman 3

    The filth on the comment section at Kiwiblog would compare favourably to some of the stuff posted here (although I do think the moderators do a decent job generally) and especially The Daily Blog. The Daily Blog has such a partisan moderating policy that posts accusing people of performing illegal behaviour with no evidence are allowed to stand so long as the person being attacked is seen as being an ‘enemy’ of the left (or at least the main moderator there).

    • TheContrarian 3.1

      The Daily Blog’s moderation is piss poor. I pointed out a glaring error which wasn’t approved (but the fawning was subsequently allow.)

      I find some of the comments at Kiwiblog disturbing though.

      • Sanctuary 3.1.1

        thedailyblog is a great idea which will be destroyed by Martyn Bradbury.

        • Jackal 3.1.1.1

          I very much doubt it… The Daily Blog’s moderation process puts the onus on the authors of the posts to moderate. This is obviously done to ensure that comments are approved or unapproved as expediently as possible.

          In this way, and considering that there’s around 43 contributors, The Daily Blog’s moderation process is probably one of the fastest of all major blogs in New Zealand, while ensuring that comments are lawful and retain integrity through proper moderation.

          You’re clearly talking out your ass Sanctuary.

          • Gosman 3.1.1.1.1

            I call BS on that. I have had posts sitting awaiting moderation for hours before they eventually appear. On top of that I have had numerous posts not appearing even though they are both on topic and not abusive. The moderation policy of the Daily blog will slowly, but surely, kill the blog off just as it did Tumeke.

    • r0b 3.2

      The filth on the comment section at Kiwiblog would compare favourably to some of the stuff posted here

      Be honest Gossman, although there can be occasional stupid comments on any blog (so yes I’m sure you can find a few here), the sheer volume of vile comments on Kiwiblog and Whaleoil is appalling.

      • Gosman 3.2.1

        Depends on your political viewpoint.

        I can understand why people on the left get upset with many comments on right leaning blogs bemoaning dole bludging layabouts or to poor people as somehow undeserving of sympathy. I too find these distasteful and frankly unhelpful when discussing possible solutions to political problems.

        However there are plenty of nasty and vile comments directed towards wealthy or right leaning people here and on say The Daily Blog. Even moderate commentators who dare to disagree with the general thrust of an argument are pounced upon as somehow indicative of their lack of intellectual nous.

        I can understand this is just part and parcel of the games people play on comments boards on political blog sites but it doesn’t meana siute like this is any less like a sewer than say Kiwiblog.

        • TheContrarian 3.2.1.1

          What I notice with Kiwiblog though is Farrar himself is fairly reasonable and moderate in tone.

          Some of his posters though…

          • fender 3.2.1.1.1

            Oh yeah, much like your courtesy with Felix yesterday.

          • Mcflock 3.2.1.1.2

            Indeed.
            So it’s never him being the rabid nutbar – he just provides a safe haven for them.

            • TheContrarian 3.2.1.1.2.1

              If I ran a blog (which I attempted but failed miserably at) I wouldn’t post half the shit some of those crazies post.
              I personally don’t engage in guilt by association when it comes to Farrar and his commentators, but I often wonder what more influential people think of the comments.
              Do they even read the comments section?

              • Mcflock

                It’s not “guilt by association”, it’s “guilt by publication”. He’s not the cousin or long-suffering spouse/schoolmate of these folk, he simply refuses to moderate comments his site publishes online.

                And he’s not leaving it there for the influential people, but the easily influenced. Folk who think that bigotry and stupidity is normal. He provides a safe haven for that community. I don’t care whether he does it intentionally or is under the impression that “freedom of speech” means “forced to publish other people’s drivel”. He provides a little corner of NZ to keep the bigots and bene-bashers safe. This keeps support for national, who are screwing over most of the country and (more importantly) chipping away at the thousand year old foundations of democracy and liberty.

                So the penguin can get fucked.

                • weka

                  +1000

                • Pasupial

                  @ McFlock

                  Actually, given his appearance and personality; I doubt that DPF can get fucked. That’s why he does what he does!

                  • McFlock

                    now, now, there’s someone for everyone.

                    Even if it is their sistercousinstepmum. (/satire – because Tories Need Tags)

              • @ Gosman,

                The filth on the comment section at Kiwiblog would compare favourably to some of the stuff posted here (although I do think the moderators do a decent job generally) and especially The Daily Blog.

                Rubbish. You’re simply annoyed that your attempt to de-construct other people’s comments through inane, endless, rhetorical questions, fall flat because people no longer buy into your tactics.

                I also note your vulgar remarks about certain bloggers on rightwing blogsites that you haven’t the gumption to make here or on TDB.

                • Gosman

                  Frank, good of you to join us considering it was YOUR post that this comment appeared on. Perhaps you would care to explain why you felt it acceptable to allow someone to make unsubstantiated allegations about David Farrar and even to comment on them as if they were accepted as fact.

                  • .

                    Frank, good of you to join us considering it was YOUR post that this comment appeared on. Perhaps you would care to explain why you felt it acceptable to allow someone to make unsubstantiated allegations about David Farrar and even to comment on them as if they were accepted as fact

                    Considering I didn’t make the comment – no, I would not.

                    Best you address your question to the author of that comment.

                    And I didn’t “allow” any such comment. You seem to be labouring under a misconception.

                    Anyway, I thought you rightwingers supported the right of free speech? Are you now saying everyone’s comments should be vetted by some Authority for accuracy? How does that tie in with Nisbet’s racist cartoons? (Which you supported to be published.)

                    Did you ask Al Nisbet “why he felt it acceptable to allow someone to make unsubstantiated allegations about Pacifica people and even to comment on them as if they were accepted as fact”? Hmmm?

                    • Gosman

                      You are the moderator of your own posts are you not? That is what Jackal has implied on this thread.

              • I personally don’t engage in guilt by association when it comes to Farrar and his commentators, but I often wonder what more influential people think of the comments.
                Do they even read the comments section?

                I occassionally read Farrar’s posts – but not the comments that follow. In my opinion, the majority are written by poorly educated yokels who simply repeat bigotry ad nauseum.

                There’s only so much ill-informed prejudice one can read before coming to the conclusion that the human race is doomed, and thank god talking apes will one day rule the planet…

                • TheContrarian

                  I read Farrar’s post with the same frequency as I read posts here.
                  It isn’t intellectual to lock oneself in an ideological echo chamber but I only read and comment on particular threads.
                  As soon as I see Maori referred to as ‘stoneagers’ I know I have read too far…

            • Gosman 3.2.1.1.2.2

              Much like Selwyn Manning on The Daily Blog.

              I was going to state the same of Martyn Bradbury but realised it would be completely wrong given he is a rabid nutbar.

              • Mcflock

                lol

                Took a few moments to skim through posts on each site (fully cloistered and wearing surfing rubbers on KB). The comments of “Lucia Maria” and Redbaiter alone are without comparison on DB, as far as I have seen. Don’t really do DB (and the beer sucks, too :)).

                Got anything worse from Daily Blog than “You sound like a Muslim, blaming everything that is going wrong in New Zealand on women” (as LM said on KB)?

                gladly anticipating your reply :)

                • Gosman

                  I’ve already given you one example. There are also a bunch of commenters who express the view of sticking it to the rich and how evil they are.

                  • Mcflock

                    You think accusations of vandalism are worse than outright racism?

                    And the latter argument is only bad if the rich are not, in fact, evil (or at the very least shameless profiteers from the injustices caused by capitalism).

                    Fascinating glimpse into the priorities of your mind, though.

                  • @ Gosman,

                    There are also a bunch of commenters who express the view of sticking it to the rich and how evil they are.

                    Whoa there, sonny boy. Back up that goat you rode in on!

                    Al Nisbet recently posted a couple of rqacist cartoons and rightwingers like you were only too eager to jump up and down screaming “free speech! free speech!” Any criticism of his racist cartoons was labelled as an attack on “freedom of expreession” – without actually addressing the merits of the cartoons themselves.

                    In effect, resorting to the “free speech:” mantra is an attempt to nullify criticism and close down debate.

                    Now you’re bagging people who use free speech “who express the view of sticking it to the rich and how evil they are”?!

                    What about free speech?

                    Or does that count only if one is a racist?

                    • Gosman

                      You really don’t get it do you Frank. Noone is calling for people’s rights to express their vulgar views to be supporessed. We are discussing whether particular blogs have a tendency to sewer discussions. Thge Daily Blog meets this criteria for the reasons I have given.

                  • You think accusations of vandalism are worse than outright racism?

                    +1

                    • Gosman

                      How come you never addressed any of my points I raised on that thread Frank? You replied to the person making the allegation though and even discussed the matter further.

                    • How come you never addressed any of my points I raised on that thread Frank?

                      Three possible reasons, Gos;

                      1. I didn’t see your “points”,

                      2. Your “points” were repetitive,

                      3. Your “points” were repetitive AND boring.

                      Hope that clarifies those issues that have occupied your daily thoughts since then…

                      Anyway. Time to get back to my own blogging. Feel free to drop by my blogsite and have a squizz… ;-)

                    • Gosman

                      BS Frank.

                      I asked you why you allowed someone on a thread you started on The Daily Blog to make unsubstantiated allegations of illegal behaviour by someone else and why you even commented on them as if they were a fact.

                      These points are quite clear and are not boring. They might be repetitive but only because you fail to address them.

                      You are entitled to run away if you like.

                    • Rogue Trooper

                      I pop by from time to time Frank; headlines grab my attention. ;)

      • Gosman 3.2.2

        I’ll give you an example from the Daily Blog to illustrate this point R0b.

        I have already mentioned the basics of it. On one of the threads at the Daily Blog they were discussing David Farrar’s comments about Martyn Bradbury, (seemingly ignoring the numerous times Mr Bradbury has disparaged David Farrar), being a paid consultant of Mana.

        One of the comments on that thread stated that David Farrar and Cameron Slater went on a blogging tour together (Shock Horror!) during the 2008 election campaign. During this trip the commentator made the allegation that they deliberated damaged election signage of opposition parties and gleefully poster about it online.

        Now this accusation of deliberate vandalism made against someone was allowed to pass the moderation standards of The Daily Blog. In fact the writer of the thread in question even followed up on the point without even asking for evidence of where the poster got his information from. I on the other hand had a number of posts asking for actual evidence of this action denied.

        The question for you is which is the worse sewer?

        • Pascal's bookie 3.2.2.1

          erm, the one that’s quite regularly is filled with proto-fascist bile?

          What you’re talking about is bias, and sure, that sucks. But it’s not the same thing that people talk about WRT kiwiblog.

          • Gosman 3.2.2.1.1

            No I’m not. I discussing nasty, abusive, and basIcally defamatory views expressed by people in the comments section. I gave you an example of one such comment on The Daily blog. Care to explain why making allegations about people’s behaviour without evidence is not deserving of being classed as being in the gutter?

            • Pascal's bookie 3.2.2.1.1.1

              Gos, there are those sorts of comments on KB as well. Endlessly.

              But there are also long threads ernestly discussing what percentage of the population can be muslim before they start to take over, and they existential threat posed by the socialist leftists appeasers who reduse to accept that Muslims are all essentially in cahoots and planning to take ocer our precious freedoms.

              Or take this comment:

              http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/03/the_euro_problem.html#comment-1109909

              We’ll just throw in a bit of support for Breivik. What’s the response from Farrar or the comment community? Two ticks up. that’s it.

              And that’s not uncommon. There are numerous regular commenters who hang out there and spout this stuff.

              It’s not the same as what goes on here. What goes on here, goes on there as well, but there’s another level going on over there as well. And it’s tolerated.

              • Mcflock

                Oh my god. I have to correct you there, pb: the commenter did say that Breivik may not have acted on those concerns in the “best way” … fucksake.

                Well this little interlude has reminded me why I don’t go there, in addition to the lsa cookie thing.

                I need a shower.

              • weka

                “It’s not the same as what goes on here. What goes on here, goes on there as well, but there’s another level going on over there as well. And it’s tolerated.”

                That was a useful analysis. I haven’t read enough at KB to really get my head around the differences, but often when people say here is as bad as there it’s been hard to combat that idea.

              • Gosman

                How is this sentiment any different to the person here who expressed a view that the Mad Butcher should basically hurry up and die due to him having the temerity of saying he thought John Key was a good bloke?

                • Pascal's bookie

                  Both are awful, but in different ways.

                  ‘Hurry up and die’ isn’t saying ‘Good on that person for killing a swag of young people’.

                  In the latter case, the the guy didn’t see any need at all to wait for them to die, so he went out and started with the pop pop pop.

                  • Gosman

                    I can’t believe you are even trying to defend the ‘Hurry up and die’ comment made here. The point you seem to be missing is that there are commentators both on left leaning blogs and right leaning ones that express incredibly distasteful and vulgar views. Trying to act like they are more prevalent on Kiwiblog flies in the face of what I see.

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      “I can’t believe you are even trying to defend the ‘Hurry up and die’ comment made here.”

                      You don’t have to believe it, indeed please don’t, because I’m not.

                      I said:

                      “Both are awful, but in different ways”

                      I’ll be more explicit:

                      I codemn both these awful things, indeed I condemn all things that are awful, this is my position going forward, when I say something is awful, I thereby condemn it.

                      I condemn both the deliberate sale of rotten fruit and genocide, but I maintain that they are not the same.

                    • Gosman

                      A vulgar and distasteful comment is a vulgar and distasteful comment regardless of how vulgar or distasteful you think the topic it is related to is. That is my point. If I stated I hope your mother dies a horrible death that is just as out of order then if I said the same thing about your entire family or even your entire cultural group you belong to.

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      Are you saying there are bad things and good things, and that all bad things are equally bad?

                    • Gosman

                      No. I’m stating that vulgar and distasteful comments are pretty much the same. What they are about might vary in the degree of nastiness but that is not what we are discussing here. Calling you a douchebag is just as uncalled for than if I called you a Child molester. Trying to argue that it is somehow worse calling you a Child molester ignores the fact that it is gutter behaviour doing either.

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      But saying Brievik had the right idea, isn’t ‘calling someone names’.

                      It’s a totally different thing.

                    • felix

                      “Calling you a douchebag is just as uncalled for than if I called you a Child molester. Trying to argue that it is somehow worse calling you a Child molester ignores the fact that it is gutter behaviour doing either.”

                      Noted for future reference, douchebag.

                    • Gosman

                      Good to see you confirm the opinion that leftist blog’s are just as capable of descending to comments better suited to the sewer Felix.

            • Pascal's bookie 3.2.2.1.1.2

              I won’t even look at this thread, just going from the number of comments and the topic.

              I wonder what it looks like? I wonder what the up and down votes look like?

              http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/05/the_london_attack.html

              Prepared to bet that Islam as a whole gets blamed a lot, and that it gets discussed in terms of an existential threat, and that liberal politics is what is to blame,and that ‘inevitably’ things are going to get worse as ‘patriots’ will be ‘forced’ to ‘sort it out’.

          • Gosman 3.2.2.1.2

            Btw would you expect any replies you made to someone spouting proto-fascist bile on Kiwiblog to be blocked? I would appreciate an honest answer to that question.

            • Pascal's bookie 3.2.2.1.2.1

              No, because Farrar doesn’t moderate unless someone on twitter points crap out to him. But like I said, so what? that’s about bias, which is not what we are talking about.

        • Paul 3.2.2.2

          You’re arguing for the sake of it and in spite of evidence.
          Not the cleverest debating strategy.

          • Pasupial 3.2.2.2.1

            @ Paul

            What do you expect; Gosman’s hardly the cleverest debater! His strategy seems to rely on his; refusal to shut up, until everyone who dares disagree loses the will to live. I find now my eyes just glaze over whenever I see his key-name, and then I skip to the next comment.

            My guess is that he’s on auto-block on The Daily Blog, which is why he’s so pissed, and spewing his bile here. I’ve never had any problems making comments over there; though I do tend to rely on reasoned argument, and facts (plus the occasional bit of bitchiness). The quality of the posts can admittedly be a bit patchy at times; but it’s a site that presents views from many different authors and sources – if one isn’t to your taste, there’s always another.

          • Gosman 3.2.2.2.2

            Care to expand on that and explain what argument I am making without evidence?

            • Pasupial 3.2.2.2.2.1

              @ Gosman

              Too bored to.

            • McFlock 3.2.2.2.2.2

              Care to expand on that and explain what argument I am making without evidence

              Gosman,

              As far as I can tell, you have provided absolutely no evidence in this thread. None. You’ve made plenty of assertions about what folk have said on other threads or on other sites, and some people have apparently agreed that something along those lines was said. You might even have made a coherent argument as a consequence of all those assertions.

              But where is a link, reference or citation so people can check the debates themselves? Others have linked to objectionable comments on, e.g., kiwiblog. But where is the evidence you have provided?

              As far as I can tell (and please link to the comment that proves me wrong), if you have made a coherent argument here, you have had no evidence to back it up.

        • Frank Macskasy 3.2.2.3

          How do you know the accusations were unwarranted Gosman? Can you prove it?

          • Gosman 3.2.2.3.1

            What absolute BS Frank.

            Can you imagine if I accused you of being a kiddy fiddler and then used that same argument – “How do you know the accusation is unwarranted? Can you prove it?”

        • handle 3.2.2.4

          Farrar blogged about defacing signs himself at the time. Self-defamation perhaps.

          • Gosman 3.2.2.4.1

            This is the allegation that was made and it is with out a basis in reality as far as I can tell. Unless you care to provide that evidence or are you simply going to repeat it here until you think people will accept it as fact.

            • handle 3.2.2.4.1.1

              I read the admission myself at the time and have no reason to make that up. Unless Farrar has deleted it, do some searching. You are the one who seems to be obsessed about it, after all.

              • Gosman

                I call BS on that. You have plenty of reason to make up the allegation (i.e. you don’t particularly like DPF’s politics) or you plainly are wrong about what you think you read. Nothing on the internet is truly deleted. If you can’t be arsed looking for the link don’t spread the disinformation then.

                • handle

                  We do not all suffer lack of integrity and nor are you the arbiter of truth. You want to allege something me and at least someone else by the sounds of it have said is not true, go prove it.

                  • Gosman

                    You don’t seem to understand the burden of proof.

                    For your information I have already asked David Farrar about this and he denies it. I also went through the blog posts on both Whale oil and Kiwiblog related to the blogging tour in 2008 and there was no mention of either of them engaging in this sort of behaviour. The evidence (or lack there of) therefore points to this being made up.

    • tracey 3.3

      i disagree. Kiwiblog comments are often vile and downright offensive. The language that is used ill behoves some of those who comment there.

  4. Rogue Trooper 4

    it can be observed that days go by on The Standard at times without the need for moderator input.

    • lprent 4.1

      …that days go by on The Standard at times without the need for moderator input.

      Yeah. There are days when I have little time (like the last few days).

      On those days I still usually manage to scan the comments (bloody pages upon pages of 50 comments) and only stop on a few egregious comments. The day that I scanned almost 25 pages of them after I’d worked really really hard on code most of the day remains burned in my memory as a fried neuron trauma day – it was only 8 hours worth!. I tend to hand out bans like confetti if I have to stop to deal with something.

      I suspect that the other moderators notice when I’m not reading much because the spam queue mounts up towards 50 comments. I notice they start stepping in. I always know when it is time to make more time – Irish starts to moderate *evil grin*

      And then there are other more balmy days when I nitpick, do lots of warnings and just simple harassment of near-newbies who catch my eye as requiring education in net dynamics.

      No-one is ever too sure when the phases are going to flip (not even myself)… So people tend to stay well within the bounds.

      The site tends to run itself a lot of the time provided the ISP doesn’t screw up..

  5. Rich 5

    Just put this little line in your /etc/hosts (or c:windowssystem32driversetchosts or summat for Windows users):

    127.0.0.1 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz

    Edit: inadvertently linked to him. Fixed
    I’ve had this for a year or more, haven’t been tempted to remove it.

  6. scotty 6

    Has Farrar got a hot phone to Jim Moira, or does Moira invite him?
    His appearance on the panel seems acutely timed ,to deal to negative coverage by the MSM of Nationals fuckups .

    • tc 6.1

      RNZ is effectively NACT Radio nowadays……Ryan’s a front for whatever her producers dish up, Mora’s show is braindead at best he just fills in between whoever is peddling whatever and the content quality overall has fallen badly. Morning report is toothless.

      Take today, on Ryan’s show a TV reviewer was doing what Mora’s TV reviewer had done previously, same show with similar comments ‘reimagining’ etc etc… it’s another aussie tv show FFS.

      Appears no overall production management just fill the air and keep Griffin happy (the nat installed chairman). If our f’n internet was better value I’d stream a decent service….datacaps’s a bitch and RNZ is freeviewed in……funny that as I can’t get CTV anymore !

      • Rodel 6.1.1

        I dunno. I quite enjoy Ryan and Mora but don’t like the way Hooting and the Torytubby are used so often and allowed to make unchallenged generalisations.

  7. tracey 7

    It’s amazing how someone can so quickly be accepted as an expert. Mind you I see it each day in my work, people who used to be plumbers becoming experts on weathertightness of buildings. With nary a single certificate behind them, they open a flash office, charge over $220 an hour and the courts seem to lap it up.

  8. Tigger 8

    Imp Fish and David F’s side jokes are funnier than anything Fatwa has ever written.

    Edit: realised Fatwa could be misconstrued. Not a jab at weight, but a play on the Islamic (righteously bs) pronouncement.

    • Rogue Trooper 8.1

      despite the commentors ‘Fatwa’ attracts, he is clever and influential.

  9. Daveski 9

    Rather than continue to mount personality attacks on DPF and others, how about trying to address the issues that he has raised. The hypocrisy or stupidity (take your pick) surrounding the positions on Dunne and Sky City are breathtaking which I suppose is acknowledged by the silence here. I have no mistaken view that National are anything near the perfect party or govt. Labour’s opposition continues to flatter the Govt.

    • weka 9.1

      The rest of ts is filled with posts and comments addressing issues that DPF also raises. And this post isn’t a personality attack. It’s criticising something he did.

    • the pigman 9.2

      “personality attacks”?

      Criticism of how he completely shot from the hip on his attack on Labour (I like his UPDATE ONE, especially well-researched) and his blog attracts completely unfettered, uncensored, abusive commenters (one “redbaiter” was mentioned earlier) are “personality attacks” on DPF.

      Really?

    • Nordy 9.3

      You are confusing criticism and debate with personal attack – a speciality of NACT.

      No hypocracy or stupidity on either, just doing their job, both as the largest party in the opposition and in standing up for principle and basic common sense.

      For the Dunne saga and the NACT Sky City debacle, the stench of cronyism and corruption is overpowering – whether it is self-serving ambition or conflict of interest at the highest level – all with taxpayers money.

      The only thing that is breathtaking is your continued support and cheerleading for its continuation.

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    The Ministry for Primary Industries must take urgent action to protect New Zealand’s $150 million organic food and beverage industry by establishing a certification regime, Labour’s Primary Industries spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “Despite working with Organics Aotearoa on the issue… ...
    9 hours ago
  • Tony Abbott, indigenous rights, and refugees
    This week, Tony Abbott has visited Aotearoa New Zealand, bringing with him his racist policies against indigenous Australians and his appalling record on refugee detention camps. Abbott has launched a policy “to close” remote aboriginal communities, which is about as… ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty MP
    13 hours ago
  • PM’s housing outburst bizarre
    Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford has described the Prime Minister’s latest comments on the Auckland housing crisis as bizarre. “John Key is deep in denial. He must be one of the only people left who are not concerned about the risk… ...
    1 day ago
  • Deflation: Another economic headache linked to housing crisis
    National’s housing crisis is causing even further damage with the second consecutive quarter of deflation a genuine concern the Reserve Bank can do little about, as it focusses on Auckland house prices, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson. “This is… ...
    1 day ago
  • Pot calling the kettle black over fossil fuel subsidies.
    Over the weekend alongside nine other countries the New Zealand Government has endorsed a statement that supports eliminating inefficient subsidies on fossil fuels. Fossil fuel subsidies are a big driver of increasing emissions. Good on the Government for working internationally… ...
    GreensBy Gareth Hughes MP
    1 day ago
  • At last – a common sense plan for Christchurch
    The Common Sense Plan for Christchurch released by The People’s Choice today is a welcome relief from the shallow debate about rates rises versus asset sales, Labour’s Christchurch MPs say. "Local residents – who have spent weeks trawling through the… ...
    2 days ago
  • National must lead by example on climate change
    The National Government must meet its own climate change obligations before it preaches to the rest of the world, Labour's Climate Change spokesperson Megan Woods says. "Calls today by Climate Change Minister Tim Groser for an end to fossil fuel… ...
    3 days ago
  • Biosecurity rethink a long time
    The Government has opened New Zealand’s borders to biosecurity risks and its rethinking of bag screening at airports is an admission of failure, Labour’s Primary Industries spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. Nathan Guy today announced a review of biosecurity systems in… ...
    4 days ago
  • Chinese rail workers must be paid minimum wage
    KiwiRail must immediately stop further Chinese engineers from working here until they can guarantee they are being paid the New Zealand minimum wage, Labour’s MP for Hutt South Trevor Mallard says. The Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment today released… ...
    4 days ago
  • Better consultation needed on Christchurch asset sales
    The Christchurch City Council (CCC) should be promoting wide and genuine public consultation on its draft ten year budget and plan given the serious implications for the city’s future of its proposed asset sales, outlined in the plan. Instead, it… ...
    GreensBy Eugenie Sage MP
    4 days ago
  • ‘Healthy Families’ a good start but not enough to tackle obesity relate...
    Today the Government is making a the meal out of the launch of its ‘Healthy Families’ package to promote ‘healthier decisions’ and ‘changing mindsets’ over nutrition, physical activity and obesity. Great! The programme is based on a successful model from… ...
    GreensBy Kevin Hague MP
    4 days ago
  • ‘Healthy Families’ a good start but not enough to tackle obesity relate...
    Today the Government is making a the meal out of the launch of its ‘Healthy Families’ package to promote ‘healthier decisions’ and ‘changing mindsets’ over nutrition, physical activity and obesity. Great! The programme is based on a successful model from… ...
    GreensBy Kevin Hague MP
    4 days ago
  • No more sweet talk on obesity
    The Government should be looking at broader measures to combat obesity rather than re-hashing pre-announced initiatives, Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette King says.  “While it is encouraging to see the Government finally waking from its slumber and restoring a focus on… ...
    4 days ago
  • Government two-faced on zero-hour contracts
    The Government should look to ban zero-hour contracts in its own back yard before getting too high and mighty about other employers using them, Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette King says. “Information collated by Labour shows at least three district health… ...
    4 days ago
  • Scrutiny of battlefield deaths should continue
    As New Zealand troops head to Iraq under a shroud of secrecy, the Government is pushing ahead with legislation to remove independent scrutiny of incidents where Kiwi soldiers are killed in hostile action overseas, Labour’s Defence spokesperson Phil Goff says.… ...
    5 days ago
  • Damp-free homes a right for tenants
    Labour is urging tenants to use a little known rule which gives them the right to live in damp-free rental homes. Otago University researchers have today highlighted the Housing Improvement Regulations 1947 as a way tenants can force landlords to… ...
    5 days ago
  • National must take action on speculators
    The Government must take action on property speculators who are damaging the housing market and shutting families and young people out of the home ownership dream, Labour Leader Andrew Little says.  “There are a number of options the Government could… ...
    6 days ago
  • Milk price halves: A $7b economic black hole
    Global milk prices have halved since the peak last year, creating an economic black hole of almost $7 billion that will suck in regions reliant on dairy, crucial industries and the Government’s books, says Labour’s Finance Spokesperson Grant Robertson. “The… ...
    6 days ago
  • Kitchen plan set to swallow up health boards’ funds
    The financial impacts of implementing a proposal to outsource hospital food, forced on them by a crown-owned company which is now facing an auditor-general’s inquiry, are being felt by district health boards across the country, Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette King… ...
    6 days ago
  • Reserve Bank scathing of Government
    The Reserve Bank’s most scathing critique to date of National’s inability to handle the housing crisis shows the Bank is sick of having to pick up the pieces, Labour Leader Andrew Little says.  “John Key continues to deny there is… ...
    6 days ago
  • Time for McDonald’s to upsize work hours
    Labour is calling on McDonald’s to have more respect for their workers and offer them more guaranteed work hours. McDonald’s is proposing to guarantee its workers 80 per cent of their rostered hours, Labour’s spokesperson for Labour Issues Iain Lees-Galloway… ...
    6 days ago
  • Brownlee misses the boat on asbestos
    Gerry Brownlee has once again missed an opportunity to improve the lives of Cantabrians post-earthquakes, Labour’s Canterbury Earthquake Recovery spokesperson Ruth Dyson says. A new report from the Royal Society of New Zealand and the Prime Minister’s Chief Science Adviser,… ...
    7 days ago
  • Government must come clean on troop deployment and protections
    New Zealanders deserve more than to hear about their troops’ deployment overseas from Australian media, Opposition Leader Andrew Little says. “News from Australia that Kiwi troops are on their way to Iraq this week is another example of the culture… ...
    7 days ago
  • Cancer prevention calls gain momentum
    Research showing bowel cancer treatment sucks up more public health dollars than other cancers once again highlights the need for a national screening programme, Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette King says. A study by Otago University, which found colon cancer is… ...
    7 days ago
  • Burger King shows zero-hour contracts not needed
    The abandonment of zero-hour contracts by Burger King is further evidence good employers do not need to use them, Labour’s spokesperson on Labour Issues Iain Lees-Galloway says. "Congratulations to the Unite Union and Burger King for settling an employment agreement… ...
    1 week ago
  • Kiwis deserve more than reheats
    The Government looks set to rely on regurgitated announcements for this year’s Budget if today’s speech is anything to go by, Labour Leader Andrew Little says. “National has been building up to this Budget for seven long years, promising a… ...
    1 week ago
  • Landlords not cashing in on insulation schemes
    The fact so few landlords have taken up the generous taxpayer subsidy for retrofitting shows it is time to legislate minimum standards, says Labour’s Associate Housing spokesperson Poto Williams. “Many landlords aren’t using Government insulation schemes because they don’t want… ...
    1 week ago
  • Zero excuses, end zero hour contracts now
    It’s time Workplace Relations Minister Michael Woodhouse cut the weasel words and banned zero hour contracts, Labour Leader Andrew Little says. “Michael Woodhouse today acknowledged zero hour contracts are unfair. ...
    1 week ago
  • We’ve reached Peak Key with ‘artificial target’
    John Key’s attempt to redefine his cornerstone promise of two election campaigns as an artificial target suggests his other promises are works of fiction, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson. “For seven years and two election campaigns, John Key has… ...
    1 week ago
  • Top 10 need to know facts on climate change
    All the numbers and stats around climate change can be confusing, so we’ve put together a handy list of the top 10 numbers about climate change that we should all know- and then do something about. You can sign up here to… ...
    GreensBy Frog
    2 weeks ago
  • Campbell Live a bastion of investigative journalism
    The announcement that current affairs programme Campbell Live is under review and may be axed has sparked outrage from the New Zealand public, for good reason, says Labour’s Broadcasting Spokesperson Clare Curran. “Investigative journalism is a precious resource in today’s… ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Ground Zero for ‘disastrous’ contracts
    Yesterday the Green Party called on the Government to follow the leadership of Restaurant Brands and ditch zero-hour contracts. Currently it looks like the Government is a large part of the zero-hours problem. It allows these types of “non-jobs” to… ...
    GreensBy Jan Logie MP
    2 weeks ago
  • Trust in National will disappear with deficit
    Bill English is set to break his promise to get the books back in the black this year and lose the trust of Kiwis who have had to do it too hard for too long, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant… ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Dorothy Jelicich passes away
    It is with sincere sadness that the Labour Party conveys its sympathies and condolences to the bereaved family of Dorothy Jelicich who passed away last night at the age of 87 years, says the MP for Mangere, Su’a William Sio.… ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Government leaves aquaculture industry at sea
    If the Government had acted in its first term, the Sanford mussel processing plant would not have to close, says Labour’s Fisheries spokesperson Rino Tirikatene. “Sanford is considering closure after a decline in the natural supply of spat. This is… ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Maggie –it’s time to roll your sleeves up
      It’s time for the Minister of Conservation Maggie Barry to listen to the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment  and start untangling the mess around  New Zealand’s stewardship land, says Labour’s Conservation spokesperson Ruth Dyson.  “The Commissioner has called for… ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Gutting of prison jobs a gift to private prison provider
    Today’s announcement that sections of three prisons are to be closed is the thin end of the wedge for the privatisation of the country’s prison service, says Labour’s  Corrections spokesperson Kelvin Davis.  It's estimated that 260 prison officers will lose… ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Joyce must rule out revising export target
    Steven Joyce must rule out a second revision of the Government’s export target in six months and stop trying to massage statistics when he fails to meet his goals, says Labour’s Economic Development spokesperson David Clark. “National set a target… ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Caregiver law passed in haste now a fail
    The Government’s response to supporting family caregivers is mean spirited and designed to fail, says Labour’s Disability Issues Spokesperson Ruth Dyson.  “Figures released by the Ministry of Health show that only a tiny percentage of the eligible families have applied… ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Clear message handed to nuclear states
    MPs Phil Goff, Shane Reti and Marama Fox are due to meet with diplomats from the United Kingdom, Russia, the United States, China and France tomorrow to hand deliver a letter calling for their countries to disarm their nuclear weapons.… ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Parity is no party for export businesses
    The extent of the damage done by the high dollar to New Zealand businesses is larger than many think as shown by a dramatic decrease in exports to Australia as our dollar rises, Labour Leader Andrew Little says. “When the… ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Nats’ limited thinking stifling innovation
    Businesses trying to innovate and create better products are being let down by this Government with an industry expert saying Steven Joyce’s mini-tax credits will have almost no impact, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson. “Andrew Dickeson, director of taxation… ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Vanishing Nature: A must-read for all New Zealanders
    The Environmental Defence Society’s new book Vanishing Nature – facing New Zealand’s biodiversity crisis, should be read by every New Zealander concerned about our native plants and wildlife and striking natural landscapes; and particularly by Government Ministers before Budget Day… ...
    GreensBy Eugenie Sage MP
    2 weeks ago
  • The CYF review – an exercise in predetermination?
    Child Youth and Family (CYF) has a troublesome history of underperformance and botched care and protection cases, the most recent being its abject failure, along with the Police, to address the Roastbusters sexual abuse allegations with any semblance of professionalism.… ...
    GreensBy Metiria Turei MP
    2 weeks ago
  • Time to act to protect Hector’s Dolphins
    The death of a Hector’s Dolphin in a set net must lead to action from the Minister of Conservation, Ruth Dyson, Labour’s Conservation Spokesperson said today. “Despite the fact that the Akaroa Harbour has been a Marine Mammal Sanctuary since… ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Double-laning Darby and Joan disputed
    The Prime Minister’s by-election promise to double lane the road between Northland’s iconic Darby and Joan kauri trees has been contradicted by officials, Labour’s spokesperson Phil Twyford says. The NZ Transport Agency has told a media outlet that not all… ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Parity: Cheaper trips but lower incomes
    The Kiwi dollar’s near-parity with the Australian means some tourists will have cheaper Gold Coast holidays but New Zealand incomes will stay lower for longer, making it harder for many to afford the trip, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson.… ...
    2 weeks ago
  • English’s state house flog off plans exposed
    Labour is calling on Bill English to confirm or deny a claim the Government is exploring a mass sell-off of state housing to tenants. Property magnate Bob Jones writes in a newspaper column published today that the Minister responsible for… ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Extension of work scheme urged for disaster relief
    The Government is being urged to extend the Regional Seasonal Employment (RSE) scheme to help families in the most severely-damaged islands of Vanuatu, following Cyclone Pam. “Allowing a further 300 people to take up seasonal employment in New Zealand under… ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Nuclear deal with Iran should be just the start
    A deal struck by Iran and major powers to ensure the Iranian facilities producing nuclear material are not used for the purpose of constructing nuclear weapons has been a long time coming, Labour’s Disarmament spokesperson Phil Goff says. “Undoubtedly Iran’s… ...
    2 weeks ago

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