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Drip, drip, drip of job losses

Written By: - Date published: 8:00 am, June 18th, 2011 - 238 comments
Categories: jobs - Tags: , , ,

It seems that every day recently there are new stories of job losses in the news.  Living in National’s Brighter Future we have 304 job losses in Waipukurau and 171 full-time-equivalent jobs lost in Christchurch yesterday.  The day before we had 55 staff at Pumpkin Patch told they could face redundancy (and hundreds in their US operations).  Earlier in the week we had 61 job losses as the Colorado chain shut down.  20 jobs as Breakers Bar closed in New Plymouth.

Not long before this we had Yarrows, where 41 were made redundant and 192 forced onto new no redundancy contracts.  Designline went bust in Rolleston, with more than 90 staff having lost their jobs over the last few months.  Far more jobs at suppliers are at risk too.

Government refusing to back Kiwi jobs cost another 40 jobs at Hillside in Dunedin also earlier this month.  At the end of last month 25 jobs and 6 Whitcoulls shops were gone, with once again remaining workers being threatened out of pay and conditions.

And those were just the ones that made the news in the last 3 weeks.  The Public Service has lost 2000 jobs and is expecting 2000 more jobs to be frittered away as they make the $1 billion in cuts to services that the government has targeted.  Hawkes Bay and Northland are feeling the bite of unemployment particularly acutely.  Although Auckland with 7.9% unemployment isn’t doing much better.

But the government doesn’t seem to have a plan over this crisis.  They’ve been contributing to it by raising the dollar through excess borrowing, which is hurting our exporters.  But they refuse to help it by backing Kiwi workers to build our infrastructure like trains.  We will probably see imported labour re-build Christchurch too, as the government hasn’t put the requisite skills training in place in time.

Now their only idea for unemployment is to cut youth wages to possibly $8/hour.  The initial announcement is for up to 24-year-olds, but I suspect that will be scaled back to 19-year-olds as they follow their general bait and switch formula to appear ‘moderate’.

No-one should have to work for less than a living wage of $15 / hour.  Rent and food (up 7.4% in year to May) cost no less if you are 19 than if you are 40.  There’s no discrimination on power and fuel prices for being young.  Why should we expect people to work for less than it costs to live and do that work, whether they are 18 or 80?

I’d like to see a move amongst councils and businesses here similar to the Living Wage campaign in UK as promoted by the Fair Pay Network.  So that all Kiwi workers are guaranteed the respect of a minimum income to meet their needs, and our wages can catch up with the productivity gains we’ve seen in the last 30 years.

Then we might see a stronger economy where workers can afford to help us out of recession.

238 comments on “Drip, drip, drip of job losses”

  1. Craig Glen Eden 1

    National no vision, no plan (except to sell our assets to their mates), and totally leaderless. On a weekly basis I run into someone who is either seriously looking at relocating to Australia or who you find out “oh yeah you have not seen them for a while because they have already gone”. Sadly my thoughts more and more are, and who can blame them.

  2. jackal 2

    I recall Roger Douglas saying that they had to sacrifice generation X. It now seems that National are following the same formula, which will destroy the futures of many young people. How does pay disparity close the gap with Australia? That’s where everybody who can is going. In this instance the grass really is greener on the other side of the fence so to speak.

    • KJT 2.1

      Now that we have sacrificed W, X,Y and Z do we start again at A or do we get rid of our politicians and rule ourselves.

      • McFlock 2.1.1

        kind’ve temporally-reversed cannibalism, each generation feeding off its offspring…

        • Colonial Viper 2.1.1.1

          Old arthritic rich pricks with lots of money and properties, but whose grandchildren are never seen and in many different far away lands because their NZ homeland was stripped bare.

  3. Peter 3

    National do have a plan. Reduce the relative size of the State sector, have a more flexible job market, sell-off assets and watch what happens.

    • Craig Glen Eden 3.1

      Oh the 80s re run, it didn’t work then it sure as hell is not working now. So were you asleep in the 80s Peter or to young to remember the havock this approached caused last time, the country went backwards and has not recovered since?

    • Colonial Viper 3.2

      have a more flexible job market, sell-off assets and watch what happens.

      We are watching what happens, Ben kindly outlined it for us above.

      more flexible job market

      You do know that this is a job market where workers are pressured, twisted, pushed, crushed, bent over forwards, and finally broken. Don’t you.

      Is this the kind of job market that you want to work in and you want your children to work in?

      • Draco T Bastard 3.2.1

        Personally, I think the job market needs to be removed. People should be able to do the work they want, where they want and when they want and not be forced to do any soul destroying job by the capitalists who are withholding the necessities of life so as to make themselves richer. Yes, that is exactly what NAct mean when they say that want people off the benefits – force people to work so as to make other people richer.

        Wage Slave is a perfectly accurate description.

    • Bunji 3.3

      If you call:
      1. Sell off State
      2. ???
      3. Profit!

      A plan

  4. Tiger Mountain 4

    Well somethings gotta blow. Downward pressure on wages, rising living costs, punative WINZ methods, attacks on the welfare state, more and more people unemployed. Not everyone can skip off to Aussie, or wants to. Why just hand the country over to these bastards?

    The monthly job loss tallies are a 90s re-run, but what has changed from then is fight backs will be in a changed environment of increased state surveillance powers (computer hacking with no warrant required), more cops with more gear to obtain compliance (guns, pepper, taser, light weight ‘riot’ suits), video courts, legal aid in doubt, more prisons. Talk about ‘working for the clampdown’ it is already here.

  5. Brett 5

    We will probably see imported labour re-build Christchurch too, as the government hasn’t put the requisite skills training in place in time.

    Can you expand on this.

    • RedLogix 5.1

      Can you expand on this.

      In words of one syllable… or less?

    • Bunji 5.2

      It was Key himself who suggested in parliament a 2-3 months ago Chinese workers be brought over for the rebuild, although he somewhat rowed back on that…
      But still, there isn’t a plan to train the requisite number of skilled workers. See here, and here.

      So who will do the work?

      • Brett 5.2.1

        About 5 or so years ago there was a massive push to get young people into the trades.
        When the housing boom ended most of these young apprentices were laid off, NZ has a huge amount of young men who have at least a couple of years in the trades behind them.
        A lot of these guys will probably head to Christchurch when the rebuild starts.

        • Colonial Viper 5.2.1.1

          When the housing boom ended most of these young apprentices were laid off, NZ has a huge amount of young men who have at least a couple of years in the trades behind them.

          They’re not in NZ any more.

          • Brett 5.2.1.1.1

            Don’t know about that.
            Mates all mention how often they are approached by apprentices who have been let go and are looking for work.

            • Colonial Viper 5.2.1.1.1.1

              Young apprentices are still around but anyone who got their ticket is long gone. Those young guys still here are just desperate to finish the rest of their time and then bail.

              And you can’t rebuild Christchurch with unqualified trainees, no matter how many there are.

        • KJT 5.2.1.2

          I was looking for them for the last 14 years to work for me.

          They are not in NZ any more.

          Only one that did work experience/apprenticeship with me is still here, out of 14.

          The rest are either finishing their apprenticeship in Australia. (Courses paid for by the Aussie Government) or have good jobs over there.

          The average age in one of my trades is 52. In the other it is 56.

          • Jim Nald 5.2.1.2.1

            “We want New Zealanders to realise their aspirations through better opportunities in a prosperous, competitive and open economy.” In Australia.

  6. Colonial Viper 6

    If lower wages for NZ workers is a “competitive advantage” according to Bill English, then zero wages and ending up on the dole queue must be a true economic miracle.

  7. Bored 7

    National represents those who HAVE versus those that DONT HAVE. In particular they represent the larger corporate interests such as banks and large foreign investors. They claim to represent all business which is from their actions simply not true.

    As somebody running sub corporate businesses the things I am seeing are slowed sales and restrained revenues along with increased costs. Gutting out the state sector only succeeds in shrinking the available market whilst delivering no cost benefits. For example if we dont make much profit we dont pay much tax, cut our markets to the bone and we wont have a profit to pay tax from, nor pay higher wages. The only business beneficiaries from this attack on government expenditure are the large businesses who hold oligarchic / monopoly positions and who demand more government support whilst at the same time demanding tax breaks.

    Most workers are employed by small businesses, larger enterprises have because of “free trade” practices offshored production to cheap labour countries. The flimsy concept that the industries offshored would be replaced by new higher tech higher value enterprises has proven farcical. What is left in NZ simply cannot keep pace with the rapacious demands of large scale international capital and finance to extract the most they can here, leaving us impoverished and without enough job creating capital.

    Whilst we on the left demand higher wages we need to be very aware that an increasing number of employers are close to going to the wall. Straws break camels backs.

    • KJT 7.1

      The obvious answer is to increase taxes for those who take money out of the economy. Pay more within New Zealand so our customers can afford our products. Higher benefits, wages and State service employment.

      We are in a downward spiral. Decreasing wages and employment = less demand = less business income =- less tax paid = less money for wages.

      Note that in successive business confidence surveys the main problems business has had is excessive interest rates/lack of development capital , too high a dollar and low demand.
      Not high wages.

      • Draco T Bastard 7.1.1

        Actually, the obvious answer is to dump the free-market and start to develop our society is such a way that trade isn’t needed. To live within the limits of our own Renewable Resource Base. Dump the monetary/financial economy because it simply doesn’t work.

      • KJT 7.1.2

        Thinking seriously why I am still here. Bloody minded stubbornness my wife reckons.

        Looking at what Fletchers are offering trades in Christchurch they will not get skilled tradespeople. It hardly covers the costs of going down there and gearing up.

        Cheap shoddily built houses built by underpaid unskilled labourers will mean another “leaky homes” problem down the track.

        • Colonial Viper 7.1.2.1

          All this work should be done by a publicly owned Ministry of Works.

          Thinking seriously why I am still here.

          You’re not the only one. Loyalty only goes so far.

        • Brett 7.1.2.2

          Out of curiosity, can you give an idea of what’s been offered?

          • Colonial Viper 7.1.2.2.1

            Out of curiosity, can you give an idea of what’s been offered?

            Average gross wages for a full time employed plumber in Australia is A$900/wk.Will be higher for subcontractors.

            http://www.liveinvictoria.vic.gov.au/working-and-employment/occupations/plumber

            • Brett 7.1.2.2.1.1

              That’s pretty average wage, it’s less than $25.00 per hour, I would expect a lot more in OZ.

              • Colonial Viper

                Sure, because NZ is swimming in $25/hr jobs

                PS employers put a lot more into your Super over there.
                PPS every A$1.00 you earn over there pays off $1.35 of NZ student and credit card debt.

                • Brett

                  You will find most tradesman are on more than that.
                  For example qualified mechanics are on around $30.00 an hour

                  • Colonial Viper

                    Uh…why are you comparing mechanics pay to plumbers?

                    I didn’t look up mechanics wages in Australia, but I know that a full diesel mechanic in WA will commonly be on A$120/hr or more.

                    In comparison there are very few diesel mechanics jobs going in NZ for $30/hr or more.

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      “In comparison there are very few diesel mechanics jobs going in NZ for $30/hr or more.”
                      Why would there be? Do we have mines pumping out materials, using trucks that would require mechanics? No, wait. We don’t because anything that might make NZ a better place and create jobs (like opening a mine) is very naughty.

                    • Brett

                      Probably because the A$120/hr is for a mechanic at one of the mines in the middle of the boondocks.

                      Anyway would you pay you’re local garage $160.00 an hour to fix you’re car?

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      Brett, Brett, Brett. Poor deluded soul. Don’t you know that all it would take to bring prosperity to our fair country is for our wise overlords to raise all wages, with the stroke of a pen to $100 an hour? (of course, be sure to tax at 99% the profits of anyone who actually produces something useful). Only someone of inferior intellect would fail to see it.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Both of you are right. Hence Christchurch is going to be short of tradesmen to rebuild it.

                      Fletcher’s bread and water pay doesn’t quite cut it does it.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Brett, Brett, Brett. Poor deluded soul. Don’t you know that all it would take to bring prosperity to our fair country is for our wise overlords to raise all wages, with the stroke of a pen to $100 an hour?

                      Actually, a living wage would be $15-$18/hr.

                      Currently our “wise overlords” work in the large corporates, the big banks and the financial sector, and NZ is not benefitting from their rule.

              • KJT

                My Daughter was getting $A20 and hour plus overtime for working as a cleaner in a hotel.

                Building foreman Queensland $A45 an hour. Also plus overtime. Wages. Before the floods.

                Fletchers Christchurch. Fully qualified builder and supposed to pay his subbies out of it as well $NZ45. Note on a charge out of $45 the take home pay is about $20/25. Less when you have to find accommodation and gear in Christchurch.

                After paying plumbers, roofers and sparkies it is not worth it.

                The only ones that will take the job are those who are not good enough to have ongoing work in Oz or at home.

                As for Labourers, with what they are offering in Christchurch, it is obvious they expect them to subsidise their employer.

                At the same time they are paying assessors $700 a day plus accommodation.

        • Draco T Bastard 7.1.2.3

          Looking at what Fletchers are offering trades in Christchurch they will not get skilled tradespeople. It hardly covers the costs of going down there and gearing up.

          My nephews done the figures as well – he’d be short a couple hundred dollars per week if he accepted work in Chch and yet we have RWNJs asking why don’t these unemployed people accept whatever is offered.

          • Colonial Viper 7.1.2.3.1

            Wait until Paula Bennett requires beneficiaries to get to work rebuilding Christchurch to keep their benefits.

            They’ll probably be in leg irons too.

            • Campbell Larsen 7.1.2.3.1.1

              Hmmm…. the Heralds’ ‘where are the jobs’ graphic is a manual laborer shoveling….(liquefaction?)
              Coincidence?

            • dotteeszedlinski 7.1.2.3.1.2

              “Chains, but they ain’t the kind that you can see”.

    • ZeeBop 7.2

      Why would a retailer want not to sell you something? Its sounds strange. Are the retail staff working to rule? Or is there some strange distortion that means business books are harmed if they have to restock. Or work to rule? Or do business only make money on shoddy goods or over prices products, but have to have a price freeze on basics that is taking money straight out of their business? I think business in NZ need to retool to actually get government off their backs and serving their customers not the edicts of the National party. Or is there some weird economics going on where business don’t want to give people change because there’s more money in China melting it down.

      Its a strange economy when sane citizens tell you that its bad to help the poor, that we need business to make profit at any cost, and seem not to understand that those profit centres have to redistribute wealth through the wider community else the costs of doing business goes up for everyone, and the access to cheap services from the wider community disappears. What comes around goes around, if everyone is bitching and raising prices, everyone hurts. Save money, sack WINZ staff and roll benefit as a negative tax cut proportionate to the bulk income of the society.

  8. SatMorningNoHangover 8

    Ironically enough, the DoL report that Zeletic quoted yesterday to buttress his/her argument suggests that between 4000 to 5000 jobs wouldn’t be created if the minimum wage was increased to $15 – at time of report modeling (based on cautious modeling assumptions). And if extended to the $17.22 advocated by some unions suggests between 9000 and 13000 jobs wouldn’t be created (based on very conservative assumptions). What happens to the people who might have filled those potentially created positions?

    http://www.dol.govt.nz/publications/general/ris-min-wage-review-2010/review-2010.pdf

    Australia operates a minimum wage system that adjusts youth rates relative to adult rates. It has high youth unemployment, 15.7% (May 2011 – 15 to 19 yr olds – http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats/meisubs.nsf/0/1B0DCED067D67E7FCA2578A9001387EC/$File/62020_may%202011.pdf) but not as high as New Zealand.

    New Zealand doesn’t have youth rates. It has higher youth unemployment (27% – 15 to 19 yr olds) – Jacinda Arden press release http://www.labour.org.nz/node/3613).

    • KJT 8.1

      If youth wages actually increased employment we would have expected extra jobs in the age range above when youth rates were removed as more older people were employed.

      As we know both youth and adult joblessness rose together. Just that youth unemployment rose faster.

      Dropping wages does not magically make more jobs.

    • Colonial Viper 8.2

      I love these one dimensional right wingers.

      Hey no hangover, how low would the youth minimum wage need to drop to reduce youth unemployment by 50%?

      Oh, doesn’t work like that does it?

      The only certainty from going back to a youth minimum wage is that employers get to take advantage of a very vulnerable work force, discarding older workers for younger ones.

      • Craig Glen Eden 8.2.1

        What creating youth rates would do is simply redistribute some existing jobs done at a higher wage rate to the youth at a lower wage rate. The end result is shit wage rates and no gain to the NZ economy. The young worker now looks to brighter fields and what do they see Australia just across the ditch and only a small airfare away.

    • SunMorningNoHangover 8.3

      What a chump: At the very least you could have provided some comparative analysis using an established methodology employed at the Standard.

      Australian unemployment rates: total 4.7%, 15-19 16.2% (March 2011) – ratio of 0.29
      New Zealand unemployment rates: total 7%, 15-19 27.5% (March 2011) -ratio of 0.25

      If NZ’s ratio was in line with that in Australia then 15-19 would be 24.1% – 5000 fewer people aged 15-19 unemployed. Questions: better to offer youth more employment opportunities or favour those in employment with higher rates? What happens to those not employment? If on unemployment benefit average hourly earning probably around $4.5 plus not learning any workplace skills.

      Average rates of change in unemployment rates:

      Aus -total -0.03%, 15-19 0.33% (March 05 to March 11)
      NZ – total 0.45%, 15-19 2.17% (March 05 to March 11)

      Aus 15-19 Total 15-19 Total
      Mar-11 16.60% 4.90% 0.00% -0.30%
      Mar-10 16.60% 5.20% 0.30% -0.40%
      Mar-09 16.30% 5.60% 3.70% 1.60% GFC
      Mar-08 12.60% 4.00% -1.10% -0.40%
      Mar-07 13.70% 4.40% -1.50% -0.60%
      Mar-06 15.20% 5.00% 0.60% -0.10%
      Mar-05 14.60% 5.10%

      NZ
      Mar-11 27.50% 7.00% 2.30% 0.40%
      Mar-10 25.20% 6.60% 6.10% 1.00%
      Mar-09 19.10% 5.60% 3.60% 1.30% GFC
      Mar-08 15.50% 4.30% -0.40% 0.00% Youth/Adult min w aligned/Recession
      Mar-07 15.90% 4.30% 1.20% -0.20%
      Mar-06 14.70% 4.50% 0.20% 0.20%
      Mar-05 14.50% 4.30%

      Sources: Australian Bureau of Statistics, Statistics New Zealand

      Same “basic” methodology as: http://thestandard.org.nz/chart-o-the-day-fire-at-will/

      And no I haven’t included reference to the 90 day employment policy as Australia operates something very similar in regard to 3 month probationary periods and has minimum employment periods before unfair dismissal claims can be made (6mths for larger businesses, 12 mths for smaller businesses) – FAIRwork Act 2009.

      http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/fwa2009114/s382.html
      http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/fwa2009114/s383.html

      Bottomline: Unemployment trends in both countries are broadly comparable in regard to youth and all age group unemployment but the relative magnitude in each country is different (NZ much higher in terms of ratio and average rate of change). Both countries have been subject to the GFC but one entered recession prior to GFC – the other didn’t. The two countries have similar employment laws around probationary periods. The two countries differ in youth to adult rate minimum wages.

      A range of factors impact on youth unemployment aside from minimum wage rates so attribution of differences in minimum wage rates can’t be made from the above. But it is fair to hypothesise that youth rates do impact on youth unemployment levels – potentially in a significant way.

      DoL will be modeling impacts of reintroducing youth rates. I look forward to seeing their findings.

      [Please pick a handle and stick to it, ta. r0b]

  9. Afewknowthetruth 9

    The collapse we are now witnessing is the envitable consequences of:

    1. Central banks creating money out of thin air and selling it on international bond markets, as promoted by both Labour and National.

    2. Globalisation, deregulation and free trade, as promoted by both Labour and National

    3. The peaking of global oil extraction, as ignored by both Labour and National.

    Anyone who thinks Labour or National will fix any of the fundamentals is utterly deluded.

    Bought-and-paid-for politicians line their own pockets and keep the proles distracted while the money-lenders and corporations get on with the real joib, of looting the country and transfering the wealth overseas.

    When things start to really get bad in NZ the IMF will offer a rescue package predicaed on further looting and further transfer of wealth overseas. They’ll keep doing it till they can’t. That’s the system

    • ZeeBop 9.1

      I disagree. Even if the IMF were lock-step in with proto-fascism, that doesn’t mean they will continue to be. It served the military to have better toys, but better toys that guzzle petrol won’t defend them in the future. So it follows that the military will start needing to retool and its not helped if the economic paradigm is in the way. China needs food or its army won’t be able to defend the party against the people, so the world needs to have healthy young people to man the defenses when China comes for food. That’s why John Key has to go, we cannot afford to have his type of greedy incompetence in power, we need a Labour-Green government. And the system is ripe for such a government if Labour voters recipricate with Green voters who alreasy split their vote. Vote Labour in the constituency and hold your nose and vote Green on the list vote, then you will be guaranteed of change. Greens will be at the table, and they should then arbitrate in a government of national unity.

    • Draco T Bastard 9.2

      Anyone who thinks Labour or National will fix any of the fundamentals is utterly deluded.

      Agreed. Both are too wedded to the capitalist paradigm which is killing us and the world.

  10. Terry 10

    Look, if New Zealanders have still not seen the huge picture on the wall, then what can be done?
    The tragedy is that there is no effective Opposition, no one with decent alternatives, we will simply have to resign ourselves to the hell and misery to come (other than the stinking rich).

    • Colonial Viper 10.1

      The tragedy is that there is no effective Opposition

      You must have missed the latest Roy Morgan poll which caused National to panic in their pants.

    • Draco T Bastard 10.2

      ZeitGeist

      There’s an alternative. One that actually works. Will take a lot of work to take us from here to there but it can be done.

  11. big bruv 11

    Never mind guys, take a look at the polls, most Kiwis still love John Key.

    They don’t blame him for the mess we are in, they correctly blame the previous corrupt Labour administration.

    • Colonial Viper 11.1

      big bruv’s fictional parallel world

      Where the people (the one in six who have not already left New Zealand, nor the 300,000 who would like more paid work but cannot find it) “love” our “Great Leader”.

    • MrSmith 11.2

      Burv: enlighten us with a list of convictions for this 9 years of Corruption please? On second thoughts don’t bother, just go back to kissing your autographed photo of John Key.

    • Draco T Bastard 11.3

      There was plenty of corruption over the last 10 years or BB – your hero John Key was at the centre of it in his role as money trader.

  12. Rusty Shackleford 12

    Deflating wages wouldn’t really matter if the price of the things we consume were deflating at a faster rate. Unfortunately we have a central bank dedicated to price “stability” (read 1-3% inflation, the opposite of stability). Remove just one coercive factor and you will improve all peoples (well maybe not the banks and big gov) welfare immediately. Then we can move on to the other low hanging fruit.

    • Colonial Viper 12.1

      I love Righties advocating for a deflationary depressionary spiral.

      That’s not “fruit” which is going to taste any good mate.

      • Rusty Shackleford 12.1.1

        Which “righties”? I can’t think of any.

        • Colonial Viper 12.1.1.1

          Look in the mirror, oh Maestro of Deflation.

          • Rusty Shackleford 12.1.1.1.1

            Can you explain how a tendency towards lower prices is recessionary, but rampant inflation is A-OK?

            • Colonial Viper 12.1.1.1.1.1

              You pushed in your comment up top for the start of a deflationary depression. Good on ya, last one took massive government stimulus in the form of a World War to get out of.

              but rampant inflation is A-OK?,

              Inflation under 8 or 9% p.a is no probs. (esp if it is being used as a specific tool).

              • Rusty Shackleford

                Yes, you will get full employment and rising GDP if you build a lot of high tech equipment and then blow it up. Sounds like a lovely model for society. The real economy and employment didn’t start expanding until AFTER the war time controls were removed.

                So eroding the purchasing power of poor people (rich people, especially those with debt, love inflation) is good for poor people? That is some mighty fine double speak you’ve got going on there. Care to back it up with some logic?

                • Colonial Viper

                  Not here to convince you mate, only to remove National from power.

                  The real economy and employment didn’t start expanding until AFTER the war time controls were removed.

                  This is a lie. The creation of the General Infantrymen in WW II helped break the back of the unemployment problem in the US.

                  • Rusty Shackleford

                    Whoop dee fuckn doo. I can be unemployed or shot in the fuckn’ head.

                    I’m not even disputing that WWII spurred employment and GDP. I’m just asking who considers that to be a good trade off?

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Don’t move away from your lying statement that “The real economy and employment didn’t start expanding until AFTER the war time controls were removed. “

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      I guess you are right if you consider being shot in the head an increase in the general welfare.

                      Personally? I like to consume electronic appliances, cars, leisure time, food, life etc. All things I can’t enjoy if
                      A. the resources needed to make those goods are being blown up in Europe and the Pacific and…
                      B. If I’ve just been shot in the fuckn’ head.

                      I thought the left was anti-war? Looks like I’m more “left” than you on this issue.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Still trying to move away from your lying statement that “The real economy and employment didn’t start expanding until AFTER the war time controls were removed. “

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      Notice the word “real”?

              • RedLogix

                The problem with deflation can be put into one word…debt.

                The problem is that at any one time most businesses and about 50% of households hold significant debt. Deflating asset prices are a huge problem, because as soon as the debt goes ‘under water’ (ie the amount owed becomes greater than the asset value) all sorts of especially nasty problems ensue. Essentially the economy can grind to a virtual standstill, at a bare subsistence level.

                • Colonial Viper

                  :) You saw it straight away, whereas Rusty is another Right Winger with no sense of money.

                  As wages spiral downwards during a deflationary spiral, interest bearing debt continues to climb and climb unchecked.

                  Individuals’/companies’ ability to pay the debt back gets more and more damaged as their income is gradually crushed.

                • Rusty Shackleford

                  The problem with inflation is savings…..

                  I don’t see your point. It sucks if you bought an over priced asset. It also sucks if you have savings (one of the things that you need in an economy in order to enjoy economic growth). I completely agreed with you up until here…
                  “Essentially the economy can grind to a virtual standstill, at a bare subsistence level.”
                  A. I don’t believe this will happen it didn’t happen in 1920 and…
                  B. Isn’t the economy at a halt now except for yet more bubbles in a few areas?

                  • Rusty Shackleford

                    That is a problem of fiat money, not sound. We’ve also never seen it in reality(I don’t think) compared with inflationary cycles.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Still got no idea mate? Fiat money is not the money which is the main prob.

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      Feel free to say something substantive.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Feel free to say something correct.

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      If I’m such a “muppet” and a “moron”, it shouldn’t be difficult to prove me wrong.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      The thing is Rusty, there is no need to prove you wrong.

                      As I’ve said, it’s a waste of energy and certainly not the job of the Left to try and “convince”, “disprove”, “cajole”, “win over”, “save”, “convert” the Right.

                    • infused

                      You should learn not to get an a debate with CV. It’s like going around in circles with his hands over his ears ‘lalalalalala’.

                  • RedLogix

                    The problem with inflation is savings…..

                    True, but it’s much less of a problem. Because banks can lend out far more than they hold in deposits fractional reserve banking:

                    Fractional-reserve banking is a type of banking whereby the bank does not retain all of a customer’s deposits within the bank. Funds received by the bank are generally on-loaned to other customers. This means that available funds (called bank reserves) are only a fraction (called the reserve ratio) of the quantity of deposits at the bank. As most bank deposits are treated as money in their own right, fractional reserve banking increases the money supply, and banks are said to create money.

                    The portion of the economy affected by inflation is far smaller than the portion affected by deflation. Moreover the effect of inflation, while undesirable, is generally more benign and is compensated for by interest.

                    Whereas deflation is just downright nasty; you owe more than the asset is worth, and you still have to pay the now inflated interest on that debt… cash that the asset is probably no longer generating because of deflation. And if your cash flow goes negative for a month or two in a deflationary environment… it’s game over.

                    The inflation and deflation are NOT symmetric images of each other, one may be a tad ugly… the other is hideous.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      You’re teaching the Right Wingers basic monetary mechanisms! :D

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      I know what fractional reserve banking is, and it is hypocritical for a (I presume) leftist, to advocate for putting that much power into the hands of a private firm. Why should they have the right to lend out an asset they don’t own at the same time demanding the rest of us bail them out if they cock it up?

                      Sound money is the answer. You want to lend a dollar? You better own that dollar. No leverage.

                      “The portion of the economy affected by inflation is far smaller than the portion affected by deflation. Moreover the effect of inflation, while undesirable, is generally more benign… ”
                      Can you quantify this?

                      “A. Whereas deflation is just downright nasty; Byou owe more than the asset is worth, and you still have to pay the now inflated interest on that debt… ”
                      A. For whom?

                      B. Yup, you will probably take a hair cut. Best not to buy capital at inflated prices.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      No I don’t think you know what fractional reserve banking is. At least, not the implications.

                      Sound money

                      Is this your code for a return to a precious metal standard?

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      CV, Rusty there has just got to one half of what we’ve been saying for awhile. Private banks should not be printing money.

                      Sound money

                      Is this your code for a return to a precious metal standard?

                      But you’re probably right about that.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      I thought the other day that you and I could set up a political party. You could be the Left Winger and I could be the “Voice of Moderation”. We’d get two votes, maybe three. Would be fun though :)

  13. The Chairman 13

    27,000 jobs to whittle down the ranks of the unemployed, currently 155,000?

    Five out of every six of those 170,000 jobs would be required to keep up with projected population growth of 143,000 in the labour force over the same period. That would leave only 27,000 jobs to whittle down the ranks of the unemployed, currently 155,000.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/brian-fallow-on-the-economy/news/article.cfm?c_id=1502863&objectid=10732452

    • Colonial Viper 13.1

      Fallow is an idiot.

      A decent recovery is at hand, allowing the Government to concentrate on the state of its own books and on such structural issues as the appropriate level of government spending as a share of GDP, and allowing the bank to focus on the risk of inflation.

      Unless he is talking about another country of course, and not NZ.

      • The Chairman 13.1.1

        Try re-reading the article. You’ve taken that quote out of context. It was a reflection of the sentiment held by the Reserve Bank etc…

        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/brian-fallow-on-the-economy/news/article.cfm?c_id=1502863&objectid=10732452

        • Colonial Viper 13.1.1.1

          Thanks, agreed. My apologies to Fallow for the knee jerk reaction. I guess I was annoyed that here was someone else repeating the same forward looking tripe in print yet again, even though it was qualified.

          Particularly as the follow up criticism he gave of ‘but these forecasts are probably too optimistic given the latest numbers’ was somewhat guarded and weak, and curiously (deliberately) avoided fingering the National Government for using them without reservation for economic planning.

  14. ianupnorth 14

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/jun/16/bombardier-at-risk-after-loss-of-thameslink-deal
     
    Spot the trend – right wing government happy to send manufacturing off shore; rich getting richer, poor getting poorer. Shameful.

    • Rusty Shackleford 14.1

      Are the poor really getting poorer? Got some stats?

      • Campbell Larsen 14.1.1

        A minimum wage and welfare that has not kept up with the rate of inflation, for well, almost ever, you do the math Rusty.

        • Rusty Shackleford 14.1.1.1

          Got any stats?

          Someone who starts a job on low wages will remain on that wage for the rest of their life? $15 an hour is all a large swath of society should ever aspire to?

          I’m calling to abolish inflation. That way we can stop worrying about this stuff and get on with producing the things we want to use. Btw, deflation is no more recessionary than inflation is the opposite. You can have both inflationary and deflationary recessions and vice versa. Though recessions tend to be deflationary as firms are liquidating mal-investments.

          • Colonial Viper 14.1.1.1.1

            You’re either an idiot or a saint.

            An idiot because you have forgotten about billions of dollars of interest bearing debt in this country.

            Or a saint because you are implementing massive debt moratoria and the banning of interest as usury, as part of your plans.

            $15 an hour is all a large swath of society should ever aspire to?

            Fuck aspiration, where exactly are the full time jobs which pay more than $25-$30/hr in New Zealand?

            • Rusty Shackleford 14.1.1.1.1.1

              “you are implementing massive debt moratoria and the banning of interest as usury, as part of your plans.”

              First, where did you get this idea?

              Second much of it bad debt which should have been burned off in the recession. A lot of people would have taken a haircut but at least the malinvestment would have been gone from the economy and we could start growing again. Instead, we are doing the same thing as in the 30s and 40s and are going to get the same result. Can’t wait for the stimulus of WWIII!

              I would happily take a job at $15 an hour if I could keep 90% of it. had to leave the country to do that.

              • Colonial Viper

                OK so you are an idiot.

                I would happily take a job at $15 an hour if I could keep 90% of it. had to leave the country to do that.

                You should have stayed away.

                • Rusty Shackleford

                  I’m sad but resigned to leaving the country to statists of your ilk (yes, you are no different to John Key).

            • Blue 14.1.1.1.1.2

              For those who bothered to get an education Viper, as well you know, they are everywhere. Just not in the “collective” of the great unwashed you belong to.

          • Colonial Viper 14.1.1.1.2

            Are the poor really getting poorer? Got some stats?

            Fuck off.

            Allow me to clarify: statistics don’t quantify misery particularly well and misery is what Key and English have in store in November.

            • Rusty Shackleford 14.1.1.1.2.1

              I don’t doubt it for a second. I’m sure they have a plan cooked up to transfer resources from one group to another.

          • Campbell Larsen 14.1.1.1.3

            If you needs stats to help you understand the blindingly obvious then I’m sure someone will help you out, but it won’t be me.

            Someone who starts on low wages should be able to afford a life then and also have access to further opportunities, simple as that.

            When you say ‘aspire’ I suspect you are doing something that is more like ‘conspire’ – against the people that you pretend to care about.

            Stop worrying about this ‘stuff’? Why because only a condescending ass like yourself is able to see what needs to be done?

            There is a lot of ‘stuff’ that needs to be done, but those things surely are not going to get done by inventing magic bullets and shooting them around.

            If you really want to help people, don’t hide behind your construct of complexity, this is not a game. If you have a new economic theory, let’s hear it in its entirety.
            You seem to think you are pretty smart – it had better be good.

              • Campbell Larsen

                Lead with your heart Rusty and you might find that you end up knowing more friends than enemies.
                You can keep your books, after all they don’t seem to have done you much good.

                • Rusty Shackleford

                  Pearls before swine.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    I suggest that the financial powers that be aren’t interested in any of that stuff.

                  • Campbell Larsen

                    There is poison scattered amongst your pearls Rusty which is why, name calling aside, I chose not to dine.
                    Though for others who may happen across this the money stuff is worth a read.

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      Care to point out the “poison”. I know statists hate the idea of having to give up their coercive power, but that is medicine not poison.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Rusty thinks we don’t know the simple equation he is seeking – weaken the peoples’ parliament to strengthen the coercive power of corporate boards.

              • rosy

                Rothbard seems to be an interesting character. How much of his writing do you agree with pre/post his Randian associations?

                I agree very much with his liberal tendencies, but can’t for the life of me work out where there would be an equitable exchange of goods and services in an anarcho-capitalist society. I think his method of reaching his utopia will fall on greed and usurping the rights of the powerless.

                • Rusty Shackleford

                  “How much of his writing do you agree with pre/post his Randian associations?”
                  How is this relevant? I know you think she is a baddie, but that is irrelevant. You have to repudiate her philosophy (not her character), if you want to pretend to be saying something substantial.

                  Just because you can’t imagine “an equitable exchange of goods and services in an anarcho-capitalist society”, doesn’t mean it isn’t possible.

                  “I think his method of reaching his utopia will fall on greed and usurping the rights of the powerless.”
                  Why? “I think” isn’t a valid argument.

                  • rosy

                    “How is this relevant? I know you think she is a baddie, but that is irrelevant. You have to repudiate her philosophy (not her character), if you want to pretend to be saying something substantial.”

                    Don’t be so defensive – I am seriously interested in knowing – I meant what I said, he seems to be an interesting character and I’m interested to know more about him and you seem(ed) to be a good source of information seeing as you put up the link. But hey, whatever.

                    It’s relevant because his thoughts on social contracts (for want of a better phrase) may have changed as his thoughts about the Randian philosphy changed. There may be two different versions of his thinking floating around. I think this is a reasonable question and has nothing to do with whether I like Ayn Rand or not.

                    “Just because you can’t imagine “an equitable exchange of goods and services in an anarcho-capitalist society”, doesn’t mean it isn’t possible.”
                    True, everything is possible even the state intervening to create a fairer society without turning into a totalitarian monster. Voting rights seems to guard against that, in some measure. Does Rothbard suggest any guards against greed?

                    btw I think ‘I think’ is a valid opinion. I didn’t think opinions were banned just yet.

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      I wasn’t intentionally being defensive. As I’ve said, it’s nice to stumble across someone here who is genuinely interested in the truth, rather than shouting, wang-tackling, jeryymandering and (admittedly, hilarious) name calling.

                      From my reading, Rothbard is fairly consistent. I haven’t read everything he has written (who has), nor have I checked the publishing date of the work of his I have read. In short, I don’t know the answer to your question.

                      “greed” is a nice slogan, but what does it even mean? Should the billionaire who provided a trillion dollars of welfare for society be considered greedy?

                      I know that the wall street execs (and Canterbury Finance houses) who became rich off the demise of the nation should be considered greedy. But they got that way via the thing I harp on most. Coercion.

                      Have as many opinions as you like. Everyone has them after all, and all that. Well backed premises are like gold around here, though.

                    • McFlock

                      greed
                       
                      You’re a joke, Rusty.
                       
                       

                    • Colonial Viper

                      “greed” is a nice slogan, but what does it even mean?

                      Ask a priest, not an economist, mate

                    • rosy

                      “Should the billionaire who provided a trillion dollars of welfare for society be considered greedy?”

                      If he if he ripped society off for 2 trillion to give back a trillion, then yes. If the money was inherited then his parents were and he is not.

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      You can only rip off society using (usually govt) coercion. Like the Wall St. bankers. You know I’m opposed to that.

                      ” if the money was inherited then his parents were and he is not.”
                      I’m not sure where you are going with this.

                    • rosy

                      You asked if a billioniare giving away money is greedy – people’s ethics, attitudes and motivations drive greed.

                      excessive or rapacious desire, especially for wealth or possessions.

                      “You can only rip off society using (usually govt) coercion.” A bit simplistic. Many salespeople are schooled in coercion. Bullies are skilled in force, and coercion. Both groups will take advantage of any weakness in their targets to rip people off.

                      Yes, governments can be coercive in a way that rips off society, but I dispute ‘usually’ government coercion is the reason societies are ripped off. Having said that this government appears to be getting mighty close. Interesting how the right-wing governments have more problems with coercion from lobbying (aka salespeople, bullies) – the USA as the clearest example, yet the answer seems to be if we have more of the same policies the coercion will reduce. Yes, I know you argue for less government interference, but so do these people. You both can’t be right – that smaller government will enable a stronger, fairer society, yet the greedy also want government reduced so they can more easily go about their accumulation of society’s wealth.

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      I think you may have misunderstood me. I wasn’t saying the billionaire gave the money away. I said added welfare. They aren’t the same thing. Say Henry Ford. He probably provided a trillion dollars of welfare by making cars that were cheap enough for most anyone to buy and created millions of jobs. Was he greedy?

                      The key to your definition is “rapacious”. Was Henry Ford rapacious (he may have been in some way, but I’m sure he gave more value to society, than he took).

                      Salespeople can be good at what they do. If they use force, they should be thrown in jail.

                      The greedy don’t want less govt. They use govt for their own ends. How can you have perpetual inflation and warfare without the state?

                    • rosy

                      There are exceptions, yes. Cadburys is another.

                      “The greedy don’t want less govt. They use govt for their own ends. How can you have perpetual inflation and warfare without the state?”

                      Of course they want less government – it saves a step in their money-making. No minimum wage, no environmental controls etc, etc. And I don’t believe they will bring run resources and employ people in a way that does not maximise their short-term profit.

                      Warfare – who needs it when you can rape and pillage with impunity? I reckon the ultimate in anarchy will be 2 groups of the powerful waging war to take control of the resources they don’t have. The conquistadors did quite well in the Americas in this regard. Do you think the Chinese / the US business people would will play nice with us if there were no governments? And there is no point talking about a justice system without government. There must be some form of organisation for a justice system to occur – even if that government is at an city or tribal level.

                      Inflation? def won’t have wage inflation, I’m not so sure about price inflation but.

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      Honestly? Rothbard (and many others) cover this stuff way better than I could hope to.

                      Environmental controls? Think where almost all pollution is allowed to happen. On govt land.

                      “Warfare – who needs it when you can rape and pillage with impunity?”
                      Who exactly does this? The banks? Sure. They have the leviathan govt in their pocket. The baker, butcher and candlestick maker? I think not.

                      I’m not opposed to an army of defense. But, countries that trade with each other rarely attack each other.

                      If China had no govt, what would they attack us with? I have never heard of a private war. Some have been fought at the behest of private interests. But, again, that is the coercive power of the state in action.

                    • rosy

                      Or the coercive power of the greedies… Admittedly a quick google search for history of private wars and another on Mark Thatcher…

                      Poland
                      1603 A group of Polish and Lithuanian nobles decided to invade Russia which started as completely private initiative and much later changed into war between Poland and Russia. It was organised by Jerzy Mniszech, one of the Commonwealth’s rich nobles and officials. The other countries which were popular to invade by Polish nobles and their private armies were especially Moldavia and Wallahia. But somtimes it were even such powers like Crimea or Ottoman Empire.

                      More recently

                      The 2004 Equatorial Guinea coup d’état attempt, also known as the Wonga coup, was an alleged coup attempt against the government of Equatorial Guinea in order to replace PresidentTeodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo with exiled opposition politician Severo Moto, carried out by mercenaries and organised by mainly British financiers.

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      I’m not even disagreeing that private wars happened. If you can think of something it probably happened. But, war is almost always perpetrated by the coercive power of the state. At least the most destructive ones were/are. You couldn’t have had WWI without states. We couldn’t have had WWI without central banks printing money. Nor the top 100 wars of the last century.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Rusty you are being disingenous yakking on about the coercive power of the state and not yakking on about the coercive power of the military industrial complex.

                      Nations are the organisations with military might, therefore they are the ones who can wage major wars.

                      You really have control issues.

                      You couldn’t have had WWI without states. We couldn’t have had WWI without central banks printing money. Nor the top 100 wars of the last century.

                      You couldn’t have had WWI without oxygen either. Your point?

                      BTW fiat money is not needed to fight a war! Gold bullion or blood diamonds will do it just as well!

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      Yea, I hate the MIC as well. Leechers feeding off printed cash and the blood of brown people. Happy?

                      Ah, yea because I can create diamonds and gold out of thin air at basically no cost to myself. Fuckn’ hell.

                    • rosy

                      An Adam Curtis doco The Use and Abuse of Vegetational Concepts that helps explain why I can’t think how Rothbard’s anarcho-capitalist theory won’t manage to produce and equitable exchange of goods and services. I’ll be reading his ideas with this in mind.

                    • felix

                      Interesting discussion, both of you. This just jumped out at me:

                      “Think where almost all pollution is allowed to happen. On govt land.”

                      What exactly do you mean by this?

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      Think of an area that is polluted, then ask “Who owns it?”, dollars to donuts it’s either owned by the state or nobody.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      You’re being disingenous again.

                      The private sector has got a habit of externalising its costs by dumping its waste and pollution in the commons.

                      Look at all the polluted waterways in the Waikato or Southland.

                      Or look at a list of Superfund sites in the US.

                      You’re arguments are vacuous.

                      Pollution contaminating public property =! the government caused it.

                      Your wish of blaming the public sector so that corporatist influence can complete their takeover is most unwelcome.

                    • rosy

                      +1 CV

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      Tragedy of the commons. There is no way to protect public land from degradation except to make it private property. If the farmer owned the river that ran through his land, A. He would be less likely to pollute it because it may be useful for other things. B. Polluting it would be illegal if that pollution ran downstream and polluted someone elses stretch of the river (this is well set out in common law). C. If there is no harm to others, then no foul. It’s his river, he can do with it as he pleases.

                      “Your wish of blaming the public sector so that corporatist influence can complete their takeover is most unwelcome.”

                      Inflation. Inflation. Inflation.

                      You are more on the side of the corporatists than me. I’ve repeatedly proved my anti-corporatist bona fides. You have proven time and again that you are only interested in power and aggression. WWII was good for the economy?

                      Fuckn’ hell (imagine this in Ricky Gervais’ screechiest voice by the way. Hey! You are a little like Carl Pilkington).

                    • Colonial Viper

                      There is no way to protect public land from degradation except to make it private property (1). If the farmer owned the river that ran through his land, A. He would be less likely to pollute it because it may be useful for other things.(2)

                      1) Publicly owned national parks seem to do ok.
                      2) ? Farmers currently make money by polluting waterways. That behaviour is not going to change as long as its the most profitable thing to do.

                      Your anti corporatist bona fides?

                      Meh all I’ve seen you push for is disempowerment of the public sector, at which time the corporate sector is going to rule unhindered.

                      Basically you are a lone voice with a head high jacked by high theory.

                      Inflation. Inflation. Inflation.

                      ?

                      You still advocating for a deflationary depression? You may still get your wish.

                      Think of an area that is polluted, then ask “Who owns it?”, dollars to donuts it’s either owned by the state or nobody.

                      And I’d like you to acknowledge that you made the above shit up.

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      1) There are no private forests doing just fine as well?
                      2) It won’t be profitable if your neighbor is suing your ass off for filling his river with cow shit.

                      The MIC, big banks, inflation, warfare, central banking, property, power, coercion, liberty, history, economics.
                      All things I have something substantive to say on, and can back my premises on. How about you? You make blind assertions and refuse to back your premises and even have some that are either internally inconsistent, hypocritical or both.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      2) It won’t be profitable if your neighbor is suing your ass off for filling his river with cow shit.

                      But the Govt could sue as well. No need to turn the stream into private property to inflict costs on to a polluter.

                      All things I have something substantive to say on, and can back my premises on. How about you? You make blind assertions and refuse to back your premises and even have some that are either internally inconsistent, hypocritical or both.

                      Clearly I’ve been laughing at the superior intellect all this time then.

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      Then, why don’t they?

                      Also, care to explain how a tendency towards lower prices is deflationary? I don’t think the computer industry is in a deflationary death spiral.

                    • felix

                      Rusty that’s totally disingenuous. The most pristine and well preserved natural areas of our country are almost without exception managed by the state in some capacity or other.

                      If and when private businesses transgress on such areas we hold them to account via our democratically elected representatives. I happen to think this needs to happen far more often and far more vigourously.

                      Sounds like you’re just repeating a slogan you read somewhere.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Then, why don’t they?

                      Now that is an excellent question and one worth asking a bit more.

                    • McFlock

                       

                      Then, why don’t they?

                       They do. Or more precisely, they prosecute and fine.

                      That is the main reason farmers are becoming a wee bit more concerned about letting cattle shit in our streams – but the government-imposed penalties could be stronger.

                      I also think Rusty’s arguments about private warfare are a bit disingenuous – basically because when a war is not fought by a state entity, it’s generally called “piracy” or “brigandage”. And as soon as a group becomes powerful enough to fight a state-level campaign it tends to formalise leadership structures and territorial domain, and the next thing you know they become states – e.g. Huns, Mongols and Vikings. The number of purely “private” wars are therefore minimal although the Johnson County War lasted longer than some state wars.

              • locus

                http://cygielski.com/blog/2009/08/04/rothbards-folly/
                “Rothbard fails to see that all rights we have are purely social, not natural, constructs. The rights he refers to were unknown to many people throughout history – slaves, indentured servants, harem wives – you get the idea. If you consider an individual living outside society – let’s say in the mountains somewhere – he has no “rights” at all. He can’t claim a “natural right to life” in the face of a mountain lion – he either has the power to survive or not, nothing more. Therefore, it’s easy to see that there are no “natural rights” – all the rights we have are a result of social covenants. Simply speaking, society – or the people who wield real power in society – decided that it is even in their own interest to ensure that an individual can only be denied so much. Likely as not this was the result of the realization that nothing in this life is given forever (i.e. is not a “natural right”) and it’s better to set up a limit on how much can be taken from you, just in case.”

                • Rusty Shackleford

                  The dude from your blog had only read the first two chapters of a thousand odd page book.

                  Secondly, I don’t even get the dude’s point. He is saying we have no natural rights, but isn’t that why we have the state? To stop people transgressing each others liberties (although this can still be achieved privately). So, because a lion can eat us in the mountains, we should also give that mandate to the state?

                  • locus

                    I haven’t read any of the books that you’ve recommended so it’s impossible to engage in a discussion on whether the observation by ‘Simon’ is a fair criticism of Rothbard. However, I liked the quote. The good thing is that I am now interested in reading Rothbard and others such as von Mises, von Hayek and Robbins.

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      Good to hear. Libertarians are a little like Liverpool FC “Our year!” Or decade, or century, as it were.

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      Thanks CV. Keiser is good. Schiff is better though. He used Austrian Business Cycle to predict the crash.

                      locus. http://mises.org/daily/author/299?AuthorId=299 This is a huge amount of shorter work by Rothbard (I haven’t read half of it). Much of it is simply his longer work in precis form. Heaps of history.

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      Schiff. Can’t wait for the movie to come out.
                      http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/the-panic-of-2008-a-free-market-dissent/

                    • locus

                      Are you suggesting that liberals are libertarians? To my knowledge both liberals and libertarians broadly agree on the evils of totalitarianism and corporatism, but propose different ways of fighting these. Libertarians represent a singular ideology that attempts to shut down pluralism and debate about the role of society in this regard. They particularly like to emphasise that liberals want to rip off your hard-earned wages in order to pay for social programmes which ultimately reduce your liberty and ‘natural rights’. They label liberals as socialists and often equate both liberal and social ideals to communism. As a socialist I’m horrified by many of the views held by libertarians, in particular their singular belief that the rights of the individual come before the rights of society. I will read Rothbard, Hayek, Mises, Robbins et al, because I need to try to understand how their diversity of liberal thinking has somehow contributed to the horror of neo-liberalism.

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      I’m afraid your definition of liberal is wrong.
                      http://mises.org/liberal.asp
                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

                      “Libertarians represent a singular ideology that attempts to shut down pluralism and debate about the role of society in this regard.”
                      Where did you get this idea?

                      “in particular their singular belief that the rights of the individual come before the rights of society.”

                      You missed a part. “The rights of the individual come before the rights of society, as long as the individual does not transgress the rights of another. Anything that’s peaceful.”

                      Taxation, for example is not peaceful.
                      http://www.duke.edu/web/philsociety/taleofslave.html
                      http://www.vforvoluntary.com/ (George ought to help (I have yet to find a person who can defend the morality of taxation. They either write it off as “for the greater good, and change the subject, or write me off as a person)).

                    • locus

                      “I’m afraid your definition of liberal is wrong….

                      I didn’t define liberal! What I was responding to was your comment suggesting I might become a Libertarian if I read prominent liberal writers such as Rothbard, Mises, Hayek and Robbins.

                      Wikipedia and google searches don’t tell me that libertarianism shuts down pluralism and debate, that’s entirely my own observation. Mind you, follow a few of the ideas raised here and you may get my drift.

                      Regarding my view of neo-liberalism, have a look at David Harvey who “conceptualizes the neoliberalized global political economy as a system that benefits few at the expense of many, and which has resulted in the (re)creation of class distinction through what Harvey calls “accumulation by dispossession”.” And also Peck, Theodore and Brenner in Neoliberal Urbanism Models, Moments, Mutations who argue that “…neoliberalism aspires to create a utopia of free markets, liberated from all forms of state interference, it has in practice entailed a dramatic intensification of coercive, disciplinary forms of state intervention in order to impose versions of market rule.”

                      Given your view on taxation, I would say that you don’t have much understanding of what is required to build the organisation, systems and human values necessary to meet the needs of society. You certainly can’t deliver the needs of society through holding to the simplistic maxim: “The rights of the individual come before the rights of society, as long as the individual does not transgress the rights of another. Anything that’s peaceful” . Who provides protection for the rights of the individual? How is that protection provided? How do you resolve a situation where the rights of two individuals conflict? Who designs the cities? Who builds the infrastructure? Who looks after the disadvantaged and misfortunate? Etc. etc.

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      Whilst I agree with some of the action taken under the neo-liberal reforms, I can’t get behind the (Friedmanite) monetarist parts. Friedman was a great advocate for liberty, then let it all down by advocating for full monopolization of one side of all transactions (the currency side). As you point out, they use state coercion to achieve liberal goals. I can’t get behind that at all. Not peaceful. You might have to follow through the ideas yourself. I’m not willing to take them at face value.

                      The Libertarian wikipedia page could be one of the most well footnoted pages I’ve ever seen on that site (in terms of number, at least). You will have to

                      “Who provides protection for the rights of the individual?”
                      Courts. State or private. Makes no difference as long as there is choice.

                      “How is that protection provided?”
                      Contracts are enforced through the courts.

                      “How do you resolve a situation where the rights of two individuals conflict?”
                      Can you give me an example?

                      “Who designs the cities?”
                      You think cities are designed today?

                      “Who builds the infrastructure?”
                      Construction companies.

                      “Who looks after the disadvantaged and misfortunate?”
                      Their families. The church. Their neighbors and friends. Personal savings. Insurance. Charity groups.

          • idlegus 14.1.1.1.4

            just to cut in briefly, but all those retail workers we see everyday, 1000s of them, not many of them are earning over $15 an hour (in fact, when/if the $15 an hour for minimum wage comes in, most will be getting a pay rise!). i dont like your arrogant attitude.

          • ianupnorth 14.1.1.1.5

            Some light reading
            http://byronclark.instablogs.com/entry/is-poverty-in-new-zealand-hidden-or-are-we-just-looking-the-other-way/
            How about

            Latest figures from the Salvation Army showed a 16% increase in demand across its network of 48 foodbanks last year. Auckland City Mission gave out 7752 food parcels – up from 4500 the year before – with staff estimating that, if current trends hold, 9000 parcels will be distributed this year.
            Wellington’s Downtown Community Ministry is also on track for an increase, giving out 1350 food parcels between June and December, compared to 2700 for the entirety of the last financial year.
            In Christchurch – partly as a result of job losses post-earthquake – the City Mission distributed 13,140 food parcels – a whopping 52% increase on the year before. Figures for the past three Januarys show steadily increasing demand: 636, 1331 and 1469 food parcels, respectively.
            Last week, in West Auckland, a “freestore” that began life as an art project in Wellington, and is now operating as a community social project, attracted 3000 visitors on its first day of business, and ran out of food within 90 minutes of opening.

            Presumably it isn’t the rich using these services…. (full article http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/features/4676276/Hunger-pains)
            OK< so if the poor are getting poorer, that’s ok, but…..
            http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/national/5030263/English-admits-pain-for-middle-NZ
            Even the middle class are worse off!
             
             

  15. Colonial Viper 15

    He wants to laud power over you, thinks he knows what is best for you, whilst at the same time having no interest in your welfare.

    This coming from the guy who doesn’t believe that the poor in this country is getting poorer, and that 200,000 NZ children live in poverty, in this rich abundant country.

    He is just a tyrant like all other statists.

    No my friend, the power lies in the people, not in the state nor the corporations nor the hoarders of capital. You should be afraid of this simple fact.

    • Rusty Shackleford 15.1

      You can’t demonstrate that poor people are getting poorer. How many people who were poor in 1995 are still poor now?

      “the power lies in the people”
      Nice slogan. Let’s wipe the slate clean. Lift every NZer 100 meters into the air and return NZ to it’s pre-colonial nature (hell go back further if you want. Statists proclaim to love environmentalism so much, we can get back the flora and fauna devastated by the earliest discoverers of NZ), then drop them gently back to earth.How do you think that abundance will help them?

      • Colonial Viper 15.1.1

        You can’t demonstrate that poor people are getting poorer. How many people who were poor in 1995 are still poor now?

        Well Key certainly can’t see the poor people in NZ from his mansion in Hawaii so I guess they don’t exist for him – or for you.

        Lift every NZer 100 meters into the air and return NZ to it’s pre-colonial nature

        Time to unpick the neoliberal nightmare of today, not dream about the past mate.

        • Rusty Shackleford 15.1.1.1

          Telling me John Key does this or that means nothing to me. I’m no more in favor of the guy than you are.

          How did we get to our current standard of living?

          • Colonial Viper 15.1.1.1.1

            You can’t see the poor and neither can he. Hop into bed with him.

            • infused 15.1.1.1.1.1

              Great arguments CV. Looking like a tool as always.

              • Colonial Viper

                :-) its true though, Key sees no evil, hears no evil, anything he does see or hear he is “quite comfortable” with.

              • Rusty Shackleford

                I know it’s a waste of time trying have a rational argument with CV. However, I think it’s important to point out to people who might sympathise with his view point, that coercing people to do what we want won’t bring prosperity to our country. After all, isn’t prosperity for all people the ultimate goal?

          • Draco T Bastard 15.1.1.1.2

            How did we get to our current standard of living?

            By over extracting the resources from the environment setting us on course for an Anthropogenic Extinction Level Event (don’t you just luuurv the capitalist free-market).

            • Rusty Shackleford 15.1.1.1.2.1

              So, fridges and automobiles come out of the ground fully formed? I’d never have guessed.

              Reading your article (I’m guessing you wrote it) now. On first skim I’ve already found one error. You claim in your section on information asymmetry that people weren’t aware of the risks of smoking. King James I published a treatise on the dangers of smoking in 1604 http://ebooks.gutenberg.us/Renascence_Editions/james1.html

              • Rusty Shackleford

                The depression of the 1930s was caused by govt planning. I don’t see how you can claim otherwise when A.There was no depression following the similarly severe recession of 1920-21 that somehow righted itself and B.The massive Keynesian stimulus enacted under the New Deal.

                There was never a prolonged and deep depression in the relatively free market 19th century (at least in the States), but almost immediately after the enactment of the Fed and govt actively manipulating the market there was the largest depression in history.

                Also, information overload sounds like a good thing to me. I don’t know what you are proposing as an alternative but we all know what the alternatives to the free market looks like.
                http://0.tqn.com/d/history1900s/1/0/9/1/gd49.gif

                • Colonial Viper

                  The depression of the 1930s was caused by govt planning.

                  SIGH

                  Certain small interest groups made a fuckload of money during the Great Depression acquiring valuable assets for pennies on the pound.

                  Ask who they were before pointing fingers, because THEY are the ones who had a very large role to play in engineering the Great Depression.

                  It is happening again right today, engineered by the same players, for their own financial benefit.

                  Remember, for some players Great Depression events are extremely advantageous and profitable.

                • Bunji

                  New Zealand long depression from 1885 – 1900.

                  Your theory that that government planning caused the 1930s depression is hardly widely believed, however much you assert no other version of history is possible. The removal of regulation allowing a freer market causing the 2000s bubble and subsequent GFC burst is somewhat more populat though.

                  • Rusty Shackleford

                    I’m more interested in true theories than popular ones.

                    The popular theory of the cause of the 2000s depression is deregulation. I don’t doubt that certain actors got special privileges under the law, but the trend certainly wasn’t towards less regulation. Are there more, or fewer rules now than in 1999? Markets were most certainly not made freer.

                    A more logical explanation is that monetary expansion caused bubbles in certain areas which deflated but were never liquidated. In order for the economy to get back on a growth trend the malinvestments need to leave the system. All that malinvestment from the bust in ’07 is still there. If nature had taken its course it’s more than likely the recession of ’07-’08 would be a forgotten memory today. As I’ve pointed out it worked in 1920. The opposite didn’t work in 1933 and it hasn’t worked today.

                    Mr. Rothbard can tell you all about it. “America’s Great Depression” is imminently readable and enlightening. Also,this is amazing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUvm9UgJBtg&feature=related
                    How did it turn out?

              • Colonial Viper

                You claim in your section on information asymmetry that people weren’t aware of the risks of smoking. King James I published a treatise on the dangers of smoking in 1604

                You have to be fucking joking.

                I don;t know what the literacy rate was in 1604 but i am willing to bet it was less than 10%.

                You really are a two dimensional thinker, smart just like Khan, but no more.

                • Rusty Shackleford

                  It would surprise me if the average person in 1604, even if they could read, would benefit from the book. Considering the average life expectancy was around 30, I think they would be dead of the hundreds of other endemic diseases before lung cancer would be a problem.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    You are saying that people knew of the dangers of smoking in 1604, except the people who couldn’t read???? Meh, technically then you may be correct.

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      Books have this amazing way of persisting across time. I know you might find it hard to believe, but a book written in 1604 is actually readable to a person in 1940! Amazing, I know.

                  • ZeeBop

                    If you live only to 30 smoking might actually have been good for you and prolonged your life in those disease ridden times. I say might.

                • rosy

                  Reading your article (I’m guessing you wrote it) now. On first skim I’ve already found one error.

                  One person writing an opinion piece in 1604 stating that smoking is bad for you simply because he didn’t like it, and considered the habit a moral failing, does not constitute empirical evidence that the dangers of smoking were known before mid-20th C.

                  It certainly does not provide evidence that the paragraph about asymmetrical information in DtB’s link contains an error.

                  • Rusty Shackleford

                    I was simply saying that people probably knew smoking isn’t that good for you. Ingesting smoke into your lungs is intuitively bad for you, mot people can grasp that. Also, I’m not saying smoking is good. Just that it probably isn’t a good pretense to allow others to run our lives via force.

                    • rosy

                      They probably didn’t. As CV says not many could read. Also the article you’ve linked to seems to say people thought it was an antidote for the pox – something that would have been much more significant back then that the effect of tobacco on the lungs. I also cannot see at all how it relates to the pretense of allowing others to run our lives via force.

                      Also a very left-ish liberal idea is not allowing others to run our lives via force, I would have thought. Maybe you could go tell all those people workers who work without rights

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      I wasn’t specifically referring to people in 1604, I was using it as an example that the notion that smoking isn’t good for you may not have been a foreign concept to someone in the early 20th century or even before that.(tobacco was relatively new to Britain in 1604). ie. that tobacco companies didn’t pull the wall over everybodies eyes. Considering tobacco is one of the deadliest drugs available, why wasn’t it banned after all the evidence finally came out?

                      Many of the countries in your link have weak rule of law. How can you appeal to a court system if it is owned by a mate of the dude who runs your factory? Those abuses are horrible and I obviously don’t condone them, but A.The workers won’t be made better off if you shut down the factory (or hand it over to the workers) and B.See a social or economic problem? It can usually be traced to someone (usually govt) coercing someone to do something they wouldn’t otherwise do.

                    • rosy

                      Considering tobacco is one of the deadliest drugs available, why wasn’t it banned after all the evidence finally came out?

                      In simple terms – 1. because big tobacco had too much to lose, and 2. because smokers fight tooth and nail for their ‘right’ to smoke. I’ve done a fair few tobacco literature reviews so have quite strong views on this.

                      I agree that there is not much point in going to the courts in countries with weak labour laws, nor did I advocate that. I do believe labour law should be strengthened and that international labour oversight and agreements are essential.

                      Do you really believe business owners are coerced into being cruel? I think the pursuit of profit above all else, lack of labour rights and poor oversight of working conditions is motivation enough.

              • Draco T Bastard

                So, fridges and automobiles come out of the ground fully formed? I’d never have guessed.

                Rule #2, 3, 4, 5,

                King James I published a treatise on the dangers of smoking in 1604

                No errors there no matter how you’d like there to be (Rule #20 I think). It was merely an example of the misdirection and outright lies that businesses use to make money at the expense of everyone else. A well known one that people could relate to.

                • Rusty Shackleford

                  What are the rules people keep talking about? You will have to enlighten me. I am completely ignorant on this count.

                  I think if I wanted to dig around I could probably find articles and books warning of the dangers of smoking. However, I’m not about to start defending tobacco companies. Just that, I think people weren’t as ignorant as you make out. And as can be seen from the modern day, it is social stigma that is turning people off smoking. I doubt people would have given up cold turkey if the risks were fully known by every person in 1890.

  16. “The Public Service has lost 2000 jobs and is expecting 2000 more jobs to be frittered away as they make the $1 billion in cuts to services that the government has targeted.”

    How many carrying out core services at local and central government level are members of the privatised ‘CONTRACTOCRACY’, as opposed to ‘in-house’ members of the ‘BUREAUCRACY’?

    Which is a more ‘cost-effective’ use of taxpayer/ ratepayer monies for the provision of core central and local government services – the privatised ‘CONTRACTOCRACY’, or ‘in-house’ ‘BUREAUCRACY’?

    Anyone got any ‘cost-benefit analyses’ which have the FACTS and EVIDENCE to prove the mantra
    ‘PUBLIC IS BAD – PRIVATE IS GOOD’?

    (I’ve asked under the OIA /LGOIMA and received nothing…….)

    Penny Bright
    http://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  17. The National Party believes in market forces and market forces certainly are at work. But National also believes things will work out for the best…..which they might well do if the best is NZ as commodity-based increasingly impoverished country where we can’t actually start any new businesses for fear of falling foul of some multi-national’s intellectual property rights.

    In the end, we will have to bring back tariffs on some things to ensure a local base for knowing to how to make stuff and provide jobs for people who live here. It’s really just a question of how stupid our governments continue to be in the meantime.

    (China isn’t stupid. They never got rid of tarrifs.)

    The outlook isn’t good for our governments (or vast numbers of voters) not being stupid.

    • Rusty Shackleford 17.1

      IP is a pernicious evil.
      http://mises.org/daily/4397/Abolish-Antitrust-Laws

      China’s growth is unsustainable. They have govt built cities that stand empty, they own billions in debt of a leecher nation, they’re devaluing their currency to keep the leech fed.

      In the long term both the States and China could come right. China has become less coercive and thrived because of it. America has become more coercive and is in trouble. If China carries on the trend (especially if their bubble bursts), and America can get back on the trend it followed up till the 20th century, all big ifs, then who knows?

      • Colonial Viper 17.1.1

        You clearly have issues with power. (Or coercion as you call it).

        Isn’t it interesting how undemocratic countries like China or Singapore can do so much better economically than the “free world”.

        • Rusty Shackleford 17.1.1.1

          Yea, I hate violence and aggression. Especially when it’s ostensibly for my own good.

          China is a better place to live than the USA or NZ?

          Singapore enacted market reforms under the guise of an authoritarian regime. Are they still authoritarian? (I honestly don’t know the answer to this question). South Korea is the same. They dropped the the dictatorship, but the same guys still run the show.

          • Colonial Viper 17.1.1.1.1

            Yea, I hate violence and aggression. Especially when it’s ostensibly for my own good.

            Societal violence and political aggression against the poor and underprivileged is OK though.

            • Rusty Shackleford 17.1.1.1.1.1

              Yea, propagating dependency is quite violent.

              • Colonial Viper

                Yep. As is propogating poverty.

                • Rusty Shackleford

                  CV, you are hypocrite. You advocate inflation on the one hand, but harp on meanies kicking poor people on the other.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    Are you for coercion and aggression against peoples or not?

                    Trapping people in a pit and not giving them a ladder to clamber out* – that’s the society we have created.

                    *A few find plane tickets to Australia though

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      Ah, yea. I’m against that. Ever rising prices and jobs destroyed by over-regulation. Caused by govt coercion.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Didn’t you notice all those high paying NZ jobs destroyed by the promotion of corporatist freedom?

                      All we have got in exchange for that is lower tax rates for the already rich.

                      And didn’t you notice the trillions in losses caused by under-regulation of the financial system?

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      What high paying jobs? Paying people $10 to do $5 worth of work?

                      People who work hard and become successful through offering goods and services people want to buy are A-OK in my book. They can keep their cash if they want. Same should go for everyone else (keeping their cash, I mean).

                      Lack of regulation doesn’t adequately explain the bubbles that keep occurring in commodities. Some people manipulate the existing regulations for their own gain, but it wasn’t the lack of regulation that caused the bust.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      What high paying jobs? Paying people $10 to do $5 worth of work?

                      The value of work to a society can’t be properly measured by how much return that work generates to capitalist shareholders.

                      People who work hard and become successful through offering goods and services people want to buy are A-OK in my book.

                      How about those who become successful by ripping others off or clipping the ticket without adding any value?

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      “The value of work to a society can’t be properly measured by how much return that work generates to capitalist shareholders.”
                      How would you measure it? The other ways failed disastrously. Feel free to expound.

                      “How about those who become successful by (A.ripping others off) or (B.clipping the ticket without adding any value?”)

                      A.If they broke the law, the govt should fine them or throw them in jail. That’s what they’re there for.

                      B.What does this even mean?

                    • Colonial Viper

                      A.If they broke the law, the govt should fine them or throw them in jail. That’s what they’re there for.

                      No no no, this can’t happen as the govts are riddled with insiders helping the corporatists and the bankers.

                      If anything, govts like to give these people tax money which should have been spent on services and support for the people.

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      You won’t get any argument from me. Which is why we should remove the power of the state to hand out giant stacks of cash as it sees fit. You can’t legislate for corruption. You can only make the gains from corruption as small as possible.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Don’t suggest “solutions” which will only increase corporate power.

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      Inflation. Inflation. Inflation. You got nothing brother.

                      Why don’t you just be quiet? I’m starting to feel like a bully.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Just making sure you realise that your ideas of government and economics are good only in books.

                    • Rusty Shackleford

                      Well, yours don’t work in practice, so there is that.

                      Also, 1920. A little black swan for ya.

          • ianupnorth 17.1.1.1.2

            Making any comparison between Singapore and anyone else is an incredibly flawed strategy; Singapore is what it is for several reasons
            1) geography – it has a very big deep sea port conveniently positioned on the equator midway between south east Asia and mainland Europe.
             
            2) As a former UK colony it had the benefit of considerable inward investment for many years, along with the exploitation of a very low wage culture.
             
            Are they still authoritarian – go there and see! As anal a place you will struggle to find and class then race as determinants of whether you live in a house, a state flat or a prison.
             
            Mr. Key is trying the same model – business should run the show – but by virtue of geography there is no way the model will work.

            • Rusty Shackleford 17.1.1.1.2.1

              Hmmm, I don’t buy your premises. Neither 1 nor 2 worked for other colonies. Plenty of African colonies have natural resources and received investment from their masters as well as having basically zero wage economies.

              • ianupnorth

                Plenty of African countries were asset stripped before the exit of the former colonisers.
                 
                Geography is their biggest asset – WTF do you think a fair few international flights all stop there – it isn’t by chance! It was the first major air hub in Asia, it was the first major container hub in the world.

            • Colonial Viper 17.1.1.1.2.2

              True points, but Singapore did not get a major financial centre, semiconductor industry or biotech industry because it has a deep sea port. The Government wanted those things and was willing to spend a lot of money and influence to get them.

              NB when Singpore became independent of the UK (when was that, the 1950′s?) it was still an extremely poor country per capita relative to NZ and Australia.

              Consistent self interested leadershipover decades focussed on developing economic sovereignty has made all the difference.

              • ianupnorth

                It had the third highest GDP in Asia before independence. It wasn’t poor in Asian terms. It was already the biggest trans-shipment port in the world at that time.
                 
                The government there, whilst keen to develop the economy, have trampled an a few things, such as human rights – you do not get a trial by jury, they still have corporal and capital punishment.

  18. 4 got 18

    Dear Ben,

    I can see the Labour party has an impressive ability to notice, record and write about the problems of this government.

    How will you convince people you can do a better job and what are you intending to do?

    How are you going to match this National PR machine?

    Writing to the converted on the Standard is nice, but probably won’t win you any more votes unless you count the ones potentially lost to Mana or the Greens by poor stories about Labour

    • Colonial Viper 18.1

      How will you convince people you can do a better job and what are you intending to do?

      How are you going to match this National PR machine?

      Yes Labour is going to tell you its campaign plans on this blog.

      Not.

    • ianupnorth 18.2

      That is a fair comment, and one I have mentioned on here in the past; it is a terrible indictment on NZ society that their political knowledge and understanding is abysmally poor.

      • Rusty Shackleford 18.2.1

        What is the point in learning the intricate details between a giant douche and a turd sandwich?

        • ianupnorth 18.2.1.1

          Well you have well and truly defined your intellect this time Rusty.
           
          Maybe there are a few people who actually have a genuine concern for others rather than self post here; maybe they would like any forthcoming election to be based on an informed choice, rather than a smile and a wave.
           
          The point in learning (and you seem to claim to be an expert in economics) any detail is exactly that – informed choice; we may as well have possums sat it parliament by your analogy!

          • Rusty Shackleford 18.2.1.1.1

            What does knowing about the soap opera that is politics have to do with concern for other people?

            As I’ve said. What is the difference between a giant douche and a turd sandwich? Possums sound good too, though.

            • The Voice of Reason 18.2.1.1.1.1

              Actually, you didn’t say it. You nicked the turd/douche comparison from SouthPark. Given that you stole your name from King of the Hill, is it fair to assume that all your thoughts come second hand from cartoons?

              • Rusty Shackleford

                I’m not hiding that. I thought it was a well known thing.

                • freedom

                  it was well known that your thoughts are second hand ?
                  , wow, most of us here actually think for ourselves

                  • Rusty Shackleford

                    Utter bull. 40% of what goes on here can be boiled own to “National suck, Labour rule!”. 40% childish name calling. 20% debate intermixed with childish name calling.

                    [lprent: That is the case across most of the net. We enforce a minimum standard and we tend to get pissed off with critics on the general basis that they don't do much themselves.

                    If you want higher minded debate with less of the robust part that you're objecting to- then try kiwipolitico, red alert, or public address. The hand mirror is pretty good around feminist issues. They are all reasonably active in both comments and posts.

                    There isn't anything particularly comparable on the right except for the sewer, which is a bit of a boring echo chamber for trolls commenting in syncopation. Looking at your comments here today, they are descending into troll level as you seem to be running out of stamina. You may do well over there (and I may wind up removing your ability to comment here). ]

                    • Colonial Viper

                      And yet you choose to hang out here, pretending to be above it all. Interesting.

                    • McFlock

                      It’s no good being a Randian superhero aloof from society if the sheeple don’t know you’re a Randian superhero aloof from society. It would be mortifying if they thought Rourke was just a self-obsessed fuckwit who designed shite leaky buildings.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Rourke. He was a character with a twisted sense of his own cold happiness.

  19. Frank Macskasy 19

    Revelations that this government is planning to make 400 defence personnel redundant, and to make 600 more “re-apply” for Defence Dept jobs is sickening. This is poor reward for New Zealanders who have opted to serve their country, either at home; overseas in war zones; or assisting with disaster relief in Christchurch.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5185735/Morale-slumps-as-job-cuts-hit-Defence-Force

    When listening to Defence Minister, Wayne Mapp, on TV1 (23 June) justifying the redundancies, he confirmed that many of the sackings would be staff “nearing the near of their careers”! Did we hear that right: “nearing the near of their careers”?!

    http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/hundreds-military-staff-face-redundancy-4260052/video

    Why not simply take out all 50+ year olds to the back paddock and simply shoot them?

    We have achieved an apalling state of affairs when this is how we treat our fellow Kiwis who have served their country for many years. And made even more obscene when those facing redundancy are “nearing the near of their careers”.

    Personally, I hope that many National MPs will likewise be “nearing the near of their careers” on November 26. I’ll be voting to achieve that end.

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    .   . Full story: Dunne won’t read ‘muck-raking’ Dirty Politics Because as we all know, ignorance is such bliss. Eh, Mr Dunne? . . = fs =Filed under: On A Lighter Note Tagged: Dirty Politics, Peter Dunne...
    Frankly Speaking | 02-09
  • Whale spotted off Wellington
    .   . Full story: Whale spotted off Wellington Shouldn’t that be a “Southern Right Wing Whale”?! . . = fs =Filed under: On A Lighter Note Tagged: Whaleoil...
    Frankly Speaking | 02-09
  • A Not-So-Foreign Country
    The Shadow Of The Past: The only positive aspect of Watergate was the way in which the venerable US Constitution was able to defuse what could have exploded into a full-blown “legitimation crisis”. Is New Zealand’s unwritten and historically untested...
    Bowalley Road | 02-09
  • An admission of failure; too little, too late
    The Prime Minister announced today that if re-elected, after the election, he would look to merge CERA into the department of Prime Minister and Cabinet. This is an admission that the CERA model – authoritarian, dictatorial and deaf to the...
    Rebuilding Christchurch | 02-09
  • Stuart’s 100 #18 A Great South Rd?
    18: A Great South Road? What if Great South Road truly was great? The creation of Great South Road was one of the great formational moves in the early expansion of Auckland. Starting in 1861, some 12,000 soldiers built the...
    Transport Blog | 02-09
  • New Fisk
    Israel’s ‘land for lives’ is theft. Pure and simple...
    No Right Turn | 02-09
  • Waiariki: Marae digi poll has Flavell losing support, Sykes up.
    The Marae digi poll on the Waiariki electorate came out yesterday - for what it's worth. They are notoriously unreliable.  The landline polls are increasingly picking up older householders and skewing to the middle class establishment that still maintain a...
    Tumeke | 02-09
  • Spying on their allies again
    The Intercept has a major new story about the US's intelligence relationship with Turkey, and how the US monitors the Kurds for the Turkish government, even helping them target hit squads. But at the same time as they're spying for...
    No Right Turn | 02-09
  • The Press Debate – tonight, livestreamed on Stuff
    The second big head-to-head between David Cunliffe and John Key will be livestreamed on Stuff from 7pm! The Press leaders’ debate is where Key pulled his “show me the money” quote in 2011. And he’s going to be taking this...
    Boots Theory | 02-09
  • Not business as usual: Key’s leadership style & the bloggersphere
    Two weeks ago I suggested this could turn into New Zealand's first policy-free election; my instinct seems to have been proven correct. While policy debates are still occuring around the fringes, there is no way now that with just two...
    Pundit | 02-09
  • Rock Star or Rock Bottom
    There was a story in the Press yesterday about 14 people sharing a small 3 bedroom house in Hornby after a family of 6 lost their rental and all their (uninsured) possessions in a fire and had to move in...
    Te Whare Whero | 02-09
  • Greens workers policy supported by union movement
    The CTU is supporting the Green Party’s policy launched today focused on improving life for working New Zealanders. Photo:  ...
    CTU | 02-09
  • To drive or not to drive, that is the question: generation Y research
    This is a guest post from Dr Debbie Hopkins, a Postdoctoral Research Fellow at the University of Otago – she’s currently doing some research for the NZTA on non-drivers. Read on to find out more and see if you might...
    Transport Blog | 02-09
  • Reclaiming the Third Way & why it’s not a sell-out
    During a visit he made to Melbourne in 2000, I joined some colleagues to sit down for a chat with Dick Morris, the self-proclaimed strategic mastermind who claimed to have single-handedly rescued Bill Clinton's flailing presidency and coined the term...
    Pundit | 02-09
  • The Greens on work and wages
    The Greens released their work and wages policy today, targeted firmly at improving living standards and reducing inequality. The headline policy is an immediate increase in the minimum wage to $16/hour, followed by annual increases to reach $18/hour in 2017....
    No Right Turn | 01-09
  • America, America ….
    We hear a lot about American exceptionalism – what they lead the world in, what they think they lead the world in, and their unshakeable belief in their god-given right to do so.  The USA has the highest per capita ownership of...
    Te Whare Whero | 01-09
  • The caretaker convention and elections
    There was an interesting discussion on Twitter yesterday between Dean Knight and Graeme Edgeler about the caretaker convention and elections. Dean highlighted the fact that Key had a perfect right to call for whatever sort of inquiry he felt like,...
    No Right Turn | 01-09
  • A clayton’s inquiry
    That's the only way to describe John Key's proposed "inquiry" into Judith Collins:An inquiry into the events surrounding Judith Collins' downfall will not examine the relationship between her and Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater or the Serious Fraud Office investigation...
    No Right Turn | 01-09
  • YahooNZ’s news polls
    Another YahooNZ poll': September 1st"Do you think Dirty Politics is distracting from more important issues this election?" Results at the time of writing this:Yes. absolutely77%  (5622)  No, it's important22%  (1619)   I'm not sure1%  (66)    The capitals on 'Dirty Politics' clearly...
    Te Whare Whero | 01-09
  • Vote Choice: ACT’s Jamie Whyte – a ‘Narrow’ Ally?
    This week, the Vote Choice series looks at Dr Jamie Whyte, the leader of the ACT party, and his views on abortion and decriminalisation. A google search of Whyte and abortion provides little in the way of his opinion but...
    ALRANZ | 01-09
  • Who is Carrick Graham?
    Carrick GrahamIn damage control since their campaign officially began derailing a couple of weeks ago, things took another terrible turn for the National party last weekend. Not only did the corrupt Judith Collins have to resign on Saturday because of...
    The Jackal | 01-09
  • Judith, Cam, and the phantom FB messages
    I see that Judith Collins and Cameron Slater believe the hacker has simply invented Facebook conversations between the two of them. Insitnctively I don;t believe the denials, but I have an idea that could help Collins clear her name. Facebook...
    Polity | 01-09
  • Judith, Cameron, and the phantom FB messages
    I see that Judith Collins and Cameron Slater believe the hacker has simply invented Facebook conversations between the two of them. Insitnctively I don;t believe the denials, but I have an idea that could help Collins clear her name. Facebook...
    Polity | 01-09
  • Matthew Hooton’s dirty tactics
    Outside observers might be watching the National party unravelling and wondering what the hell is going on. This is especially the case with one particular right wing propagandist, Matthew Hooton.At first Hooton’s behaviour might seem a bit strange. He has...
    The Jackal | 01-09
  • Is Petrol cheap?
    I don’t tend to look at the motoring section of the Herald much however every now and then something stands out - often for its comedy value - and that was the case yesterday in an article titled Motoring Mythbusting. The article covers off...
    Transport Blog | 01-09
  • People of Turkey, Ukraine, I salute you!
    For some reason, I seem to be getting a lot of visits from Turkey.  Or perhaps that's just where IP address disguisers are presenting as at the moment.  But I like to thin the Ruritanian nature of New Zealand politics...
    Left hand palm | 01-09
  • The health pillar of good government
    Whatever the result on September 20, John Key will start the next term with diminished personal authority. Our democracy’s health is also diminished. Key’s inch-by-inch retreat to the point where his imagined leftwing conspiracy turned into a rightwing one and...
    Colin James | 01-09
  • Keystone XL: Oil Markets and Emissions
    Estimates of the incremental emission effects of individual oil sands projects like the Keystone XL (KXL) pipeline are sensitive to assumptions about the response of world markets and alternative transportation options. A recent Nature Climate Change paper by Erickson and...
    Skeptical Science | 01-09
  • Union to support Work and Income staff following tragedy
    The Public Service Association (PSA) says today’s shooting at a Work and Income office is a tragedy, and nobody should...
    PSA | 01-09
  • We no longer have a Prime Minister
    Having just listened to an item featuring John Key on Checkpoint (National Radio) I now have to announce that New Zealand has no-one at present performing the proper role of Prime Minister. John Key could not have acted less Prime Ministerial if he had...
    Political Scientist | 01-09
  • We no longer have a Prime Minister
    Having just listened to an item featuring John Key on Checkpoint (National Radio) I now have to announce that New Zealand has no-one at present performing the proper role of Prime Minister. John Key could not have acted less Prime Ministerial if he had...
    The Political Scientist | 01-09
  • Ashburton, 1 September 2014.
    Crime Scene: The murder of two WINZ workers and the wounding of another in Ashburton adds another tragic chapter to New Zealand's grim history of lone men committing multiple murders.I NEVER WENT BACK to Aramoana after the killing. I had...
    Bowalley Road | 01-09
  • Radio NZ: Politics with Matthew Hooton and Mike Williams – 1 September 20...
    . - Politics on Nine To Noon - . - Monday 1 September 2014 - . - Kathryn Ryan, with Matthew Hooton & Mike Williams - . Today on Politics on Nine To Noon, Mike Williams and Matthew Hooton on...
    Frankly Speaking | 01-09
  • Radio NZ: Politics with Matthew Hooton and Mike Williams – 1 September 20...
    . - Politics on Nine To Noon - . - Monday 1 September 2014 - . - Kathryn Ryan, with Matthew Hooton & Mike Williams - . Today on Politics on Nine To Noon, Mike Williams and Matthew Hooton on...
    Frankly Speaking | 01-09
  • John Key’s Top 69 Lies, Today no. 19 – The SkyCity deal doesn’t m...
     SkyCity deal doesn't mean more pokies – Key SkyCity is understood to be seeking law changes allowing 300 to 500 additional pokie machines and wider use of technology which would increase gambling revenue in return for building the $350 million facility...
    Arch Rival | 01-09
  • Will an inquiry make it all better?
    So far, the Dirty Politics book has generated two inquiries. The first is into the release  of information from the SIS to a certain blogger whom we don't name. The second is into Judith Collins' alleged involvement with an alleged...
    Pundit | 01-09
  • We Play Dirty at the Climate Talks Too: New Zealand’s Dirty Politics of C...
    This guest post is by David Tong, an Auckland based community lawyer working on his Master’s in Law on the UN climate talks. He chairs the P3 Foundation and co-chairs the Aotearoa New Zealand Human Rights Lawyers Association, and last...
    Hot Topic | 01-09
  • The trouble with liars
    A group of habitual liars try to get their story straight....
    Imperator Fish | 01-09
  • Photo of the day: Mitre 10′s bike parking
    The other weekend I went to the Mitre 10 Mega in Wairau Road to pick up some building supplies. To my surprise, they’ve put in a bike rack near the store entrance. I’m not sure how much use it’s going...
    Transport Blog | 01-09
  • TEU VICTORIA UNIVERSITY BRANCH NEWSLETTER – SEPTEMBER 2014
      TEU Victoria University Branch Newsletter – September 2014 In this issue: AGM-a-calling: Welcome from the Branch President Ask them Anything: TEU Presidential Election Election Special: Union members could make the difference Election Special: 3 Reasons to Vote Bringing Back Dignity:...
    Tertiary Education Union | 01-09
  • Stumbling towards Power?
    Let's be honest about it.  Labour have absolutely nothing to celebrate just now.The last few days have been fantastic for the left and in particular for a certain Mr D Cunliffe.  But before we get too deliriously joyous, let's face...
    Left hand palm | 01-09
  • Will the police investigate?
    John Key is busy putting together an inquiry into Judith Collins' attempt to undermined SFO Chief Executive Adam Feeley. The effectiveness of any inquiry will ultimately depend on its terms of reference, and the signs are not good; Key looks...
    No Right Turn | 01-09
  • Dirty Politics symposium on Friday
    Otago University will be holding an online symposium this Friday on "Debating 'Dirty Politics': Media, Politics and Law". Andrew Geddis has more details on the agenda: 1:00-1:15: Opening interview with Mr Nicky Hager 1:15-2:05: Media panel with Dr Rosemary Overell;...
    No Right Turn | 01-09
  • Debating “Dirty Politics”: Media, Politics and Law
    Love it or loathe it, Nicky Hager's Dirty Politics and its aftermath has lit a fire under our perception of "politics as usual" in New Zealand. Exactly how all that plays out come September 20th is an as yet unknown...
    Pundit | 01-09
  • There’s Only One Poll That Counts
    “One of the oldest sayings in politics is that there is only one poll that counts – the one on Election Day – and that’s the one that I am focusing on” remarked the MANA Movement candidate for Waiariki, Annette...
    Mana | 02-09
  • Local communities critical to Civil Defence
    Labour will focus on empowering New Zealand communities to be resilient in Civil Defence disasters, says Labour’s Civil Defence spokesperson Clare Curran. Announcing Labour’s Civil Defence policy, she says that Labour will work with schools, voluntary agencies and community groups...
    Labour | 02-09
  • Labour looks to long-life passports, gambling harm review
    A return to 10 year passports and a review of gambling laws are highlights of Labour’s Internal Affairs policy released today. “More than 15,000 New Zealanders signed a petition calling on the Government to revert to the 10 year system...
    Labour | 02-09
  • MANA Movement Leadership stands strong behind Internet MANA relationship
    “There is now, and always will be, a range of views about many issues within our movement and members are free to express them, but Georgina’s views on Kim Dotcom are not shared by the MANA Movement leadership or the vast majority...
    Mana | 01-09
  • Rebuilding the New Zealand Defence Force
    A Labour Government will make it a priority to rebuild the capacity of the Defence Force to carry out the tasks expected of it, says Labour’s Defence Spokesperson Phil Goff. Releasing Labour’s Defence Policy today he said the NZDF has...
    Labour | 01-09
  • Speech to Canterbury Chamber of Commerce
    Today I'm going to talk about our policy package to upgrade and grow our economy and how we turn that growth into a foundation for a decent and fair society. But first I want to address the issue of our...
    Labour | 01-09
  • Commission of Inquiry must have bipartisan support
    The Labour Party is drafting terms of reference for a Commission of Inquiry, Labour’s Shadow Attorney-General David Parker says. “It is abundantly clear there is a need for an independent Commission of Inquiry, chaired by a High Court Judge, into...
    Labour | 01-09
  • Rapid Transit to unclog Christchurch
    Labour will build a 21st century Rapid Transit system for Christchurch, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “The long delayed recovery of Christchurch hinges on a modern commuter system for the city. “We will invest $100 million in a modern rail plan...
    Labour | 31-08
  • Labour’s commitment to public broadcasting
    A Labour Government will set up a working group to re-establish a public service television station as part of our commitment to ensuring New Zealand has high quality free-to-air local content. “We will set up a working group to report...
    Labour | 31-08
  • A new deal for the conservation estate
    The health of our economy depends on New Zealand preserving and restoring our land, air, water and indigenous wildlife, says Labour’s Conservation spokesperson Ruth Dyson. Announcing Labours Conservation policy, she said that there will be a comprehensive plan to restore...
    Labour | 31-08
  • Labour’s plan to end homelessness
    Labour has a comprehensive approach to end homelessness starting with the provision of emergency housing for 1000 people each year and putting an end to slum conditions in boarding houses, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Labour believes that homelessness is not...
    Labour | 30-08
  • Labour: A smarter approach to justice
    A Labour Government will improve the justice system to ensure it achieves real public safety, provides equal access to justice and protects human rights, Labour’s Justice spokesperson Andrew Little says. “Our approach is about tackling the root causes of crime, recognising...
    Labour | 29-08
  • Labour to foster Kiwi love of sport and the great outdoors
    A Labour Government will promote physical activity, back our top athletes and help foster Kiwis’ love of the great outdoors by upgrading tramping and camping facilities. Trevor Mallard today released Labour’s sports and recreation policy which will bring back a...
    Labour | 29-08
  • Pacific languages recognised under Labour
    Labour will act to recognise the five main Pacific languages in New Zealand including through the education system, said Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. Announcing Labour’s Pacific Island policy he said that there must be a strong commitment to...
    Labour | 29-08
  • No healthy economy without a healthy environment
    Labour recognises that we cannot have a healthy economy without a healthy environment, says Environment spokesperson Moana Mackey announcing Labour’s environment policy. “New Zealand’s economy has been built on the back of the enormous environmental wealth we collectively enjoy as...
    Labour | 28-08
  • Better protection, fairer deal for Kiwi consumers
    Tackling excessive prices, ensuring consumers have enough information to make ethical choices and giving the Commerce Commission more teeth are highlights of Labour’s Consumer Rights policy. “The rising cost of living is a concern for thousands of Kiwi families. A...
    Labour | 28-08
  • Media Advisory – MANA Movement Candidate for Waiariki Annette Sykes, Waia...
    Media are advised that this coming weekend, the MANA Movement Candidate for Waiariki, Annette Sykes, will be on the Internet MANA Road Trip within the electorate of Waiariki. Speakers confirmed are Annette Sykes, Hone Harawira, John Minto, Laila Harre and Kim...
    Mana | 27-08
  • Internet MANA – Waiariki Road Trip: 29, 30, 31 Aug 2014
    The Internet MANA Road Trip hits Waiariki this weekend. It would be great if all MANA members in Waiariki could especially attend the public meetings and show their support for our Waiariki candidate Annette Sykes. Confirmed speakers Hone Harawira (except Taupo), Annette...
    Mana | 27-08
  • First home buyers $200 a week better off with Labour
    A couple earning around $75,000 a year would be $200 a week better off buying a two bedroom terraced Labour KiwiBuild home instead of an equivalent new build under National’s housing policy, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe.  “National’s policy to...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Another Day – Another big power profit
    The latest profit announcement from Genesis Energy shows that the power company was sold for a song to the detriment of the country’s power consumers, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “A net profit of $ 49.2 million follows hard...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour embraces the rainbow
    Labour will work hard to ensure all New Zealanders enjoy the freedom to grow up and live their lives in dignity and security. Labour’s Rainbow policy, released tonight in Wellington, focuses on International Relations, Human Rights and Education....
    Labour | 26-08
  • National gets fast and loose with the facts
    In their desperation to make it look as though they are doing something about the housing crisis, National is playing fast and loose with the facts, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford....
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour will drop power prices for Kiwi families
    New Zealanders will get cheaper power prices under NZ Power, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “The electricity market is clearly broken. With falling demand for electricity, prices should be going down. Instead prices are going up and companies are extracting...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour: Promoting sustainable tourism
    Ensuring New Zealand’s clean, green status continues to be an international tourism benchmark and reviewing MBIE’s oversight of the tourism sector will be on the radar under a Labour Government. Releasing Labour’s Tourism policy today, spokesperson Darien Fenton said tourism...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Skills shortage a result of National’s complacency
    The fact that there is still a severe shortage of skilled tradespeople, despite a growth in the number of apprentices, is a result of National’s failure to plan and develop the workforce, Grant Robertson, Labour Employment, Skills and TrainingSpokesperson says."The...
    Labour | 26-08
  • How much tax does John Key pay compared to a minimum wage worker?? – Mint...
    MANA Movement Economic Justice spokesperson John Minto is calling for a radical overhaul of New Zealand’s taxation system with calculations showing that a minimum wage worker pays a ten times higher tax rate than the Prime Minister. o Minimum wage...
    Mana | 25-08
  • Labour’s culture of science and innovation
    Labour will create a culture of science and innovation in New Zealand that will be the envy of the world, says Labour’s Innovation, Research and Development spokesperson Megan Woods. “Labour believes that good science lies at the heart of a...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Improving life for our new New Zealanders
    New Zealand’s international standing as a community that encourages and fosters all cultures will be bolstered under a Labour Government with an upgrade of the present Office of Ethnic Affairs to a Ministry. Releasing Labour’s Ethnic Affairs policy, spokesperson Phil...
    Labour | 25-08
  • South Auckland housing crisis
    National’s HomeStart package is nothing more than a political stunt designed to beguile South Auckland voters, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. “Few working Pasifika and Maori workers in South Auckland will be able to buy their own...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Home buyer subsidy discredited in Oz
    Treasury advised against National’s policy of ramping up home buyer subsidies after it was discredited in Australia because it pushed house prices even higher, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “Documents released under the OIA (attached) show Treasury advised the...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Nursing hours explain turnover and high-stress culture
    A staff survey supports concerns nursing staff at Dunedin Hospital are under increasing pressure and that the emergency department is in a critical state, says Labour’s Associate Health Spokesperson David Clark.  “An ED nursing survey at Dunedin found that 80...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Underhand tactics prove case for axing donations
    Revelations that schools are using underhand tactics to coerce donations from cash-strapped parents further highlights the need for Labour's plan to increase funding so they aren't dependent on contributions from parents, Labour's Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “By law New...
    Labour | 24-08
  • National applies band-aid to housing crisis
    The Government’s flagship housing announcement is a band-aid approach that will push up prices rather than solve the housing crisis, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “House sales to first home buyers have collapsed as a direct result of the Government’s...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Climate change focus on the now for the future
    A Labour Governmentwill put in place a comprehensive climate change strategy focusing on bothmitigation and adaptation, establish an independent Climate Commission andimplement carbon budgeting, says Labour Climate Change spokesperson MoanaMackey."This is about future-proofing our economy. Making the transition to alow-carbon...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Labour’s 21st century transport pledge
    The next Labour-led Government will create a 21st century transport system for New Zealand that promotes the most efficient and sustainable combination of transport options, says Labour’s Transport spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour will rebalance the Government's transport spending away from...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Housing under National: the facts
    1.       House prices in Auckland Council valuations indicate Auckland house prices have gone up by one-third over the last three years. (Auckland Council) The average Auckland house price has gone up by nearly $225,000 since 2008, up over $75,000 in...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Labour irons out low income tax issue
    The increasing casualisation of work has led to many New Zealand families being disadvantaged through the tax they pay, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. "Many low paid workers are having to work two or three jobs to make ends meet...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Cornered Government comes out swinging
    The National Government is so desperate to keep its dead-in-the-water expert teachers policy alive, it has refused to rule out forcing schools to participate through legislation, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “John Key today attacked the Educational Institute for...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Pacific people continue to go backwards under National
    A report from Victoria University highlights the fact that Pacific people are continuing to go backwards under a National Government, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio.  “The report shows the largest inequality increases were in smoking, obesity, tertiary...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Wellington transport plan needs to keep moving
    The failure of the Transport Agency to properly look at alternatives to the Basin Reserve flyover is not a good reason for further delays to improving transport in Wellington, Labour MPs Grant Robertson and Annette King say. “The Board of...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Labour’s focus on inequality, kids and better job prospects
    Tackling child poverty and removing barriers to people working part time to enhance their prospects of moving into a fulltime job are highlights of Labour’s Social Development policy. Releasing the policy today, spokesperson Sue Moroney said while part-time work was...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Political staff should give answers under oath
    The Inspector General of Security and Intelligence should use her full statutory powers to question witnesses under oath about the leak of SIS information, says Labour MP Phil Goff. “Leakage of confidential information from the SIS for political purposes is...
    Labour | 21-08
  • High dollar, hands-off Govt sends workers to dole queue
    The loss of up to 100 jobs at Croxley stationery in Auckland is devastating news for their families and the local Avondale community, Labour’s Employment, Skills and Training spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “The company’s inability to compete in international markets...
    Labour | 21-08
  • National’s flagship education policy dead in the water
    National’s plan to create executive principals and expert teachers is effectively dead in the water with news that 93 percent of primary teachers have no confidence in the scheme, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “The fact that teachers are...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Dunedin will be a knowledge and innovation centre under Labour
    Dunedin will become a knowledge and innovation centre under a Labour Government that will back local businesses, support technology initiatives and fund dynamic regional projects, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Nowhere has the National Government’s short-sightedness been more apparently than...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Inquiry into SIS disclosures the right decision
    Labour MP Phil Goff says the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has done the right thing by launching an inquiry into the disclosure of SIS documents about a meeting between himself and the agency’s former director-general. “This inquiry is necessary...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Labour – supporting and valuing carers and the cared for
    Placing real value on our elderly and the people who care for them will be a priority for a Labour Government, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. Releasing Labour’s Senior Citizens policy today David Cunliffe promised that a Labour Government would...
    Labour | 20-08
  • By Hoki! It’s Labour’s fisheries policy
    A Labour Government will protect the iconic Kiwi tradition of fishing by improving access to the coast, protecting the rights of recreational fishers and reviewing snapper restrictions, Labour’s Fisheries spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “Catching a fish from the rocks, beach...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Mighty River – Mighty Profits – Mighty hard to swallow
    Mighty River Power’s profit increase of 84 per cent is simply outrageous, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “Demand for electricity is flat or declining yet the company has made enormous profits. It is the latest power company to celebrate...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Collins’ actions were wrong, not unwise
    John Key’s moral compass remains off-kilter as he cannot bring himself to declare Judith Collins’ actions outright wrong, not simply ‘unwise’, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “Under pressure John Key is finally shifting his stance but his failure to condemn...
    Labour | 19-08
  • The Press Leaders Debate – proof a newspaper can kill the internet
    No more beersies for you Mr Key. Seriously – was the Prime Minister drunk during this debate? I am so sickened by what passed as a Leaders debate, I will make this review short and vicious. Everyone involved in putting...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Voting starts tomorrow!
    On the telly, in the papers, on the Net, billboards on almost every street corner – it’s hard to miss the fact that there’s an election coming up. Everyone’s trying to win your vote on Election Day, September 20, (this...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Collins inquiry a whitewash before it has even started
    The farce whitewash that Key is trying to push through here for the inquiry into Judith Collins role in a hit on the SFO should enrage any NZer, regardless of how they vote. Whaleoil won’t be forced to appear, it’s...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Press Leaders Debate – Round 2 – 7pm tonight
    This debate is live in a Town Hall, Key has done well at these in the past, but since the hate politics exposed in Dirty Politics, expect real fury directed at Key. My guess is that Key will attempt to use whatever he...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • MANA hit speed wobbles – why Annette Sykes will win Waiariki
    MANA are my favourites. But of late, their transition from crawling to sprinting has hit some speed wobbles. Hone’s and Pam’s aggressive attitude towards the media recently is very understandable in light of how connected many of the media were to...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Soz Cam – PaknSave boycott of whaleoil continues – time to start a boyc...
    Cam is so carcinogenic now, not even his mates in the Tobacco Industry are talking to him any longer. I suspect only the Israeli Defence Force propaganda department are paying for content on whaleoil now. Cam says that PaknSave have dropped their problems...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • The Rock Fuels NZ Roastbuster Rape Culture
    This is making me feel pretty uncomfortable. Here we have an instance of Jono and Ben posing like “exposed celebrities”. But do you know what I’m seeing? I’m seeing two dudes who basically “roasted” a woman online (exposed pictures of...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – Why beneficiaries need advocacy
    There are times when I am wrong. I was wrong recently when someone suggested to me that AAAP should be eligible for government funding to continues its advocacy work. That was before. Before dealing with advocacy on a weekly basis...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • TheDailyBlog September Political Poll Has Been Kicked Off
    The Daily Blog’s August poll has concluded and the September poll has been kicked off, asking readers: What party will you likely vote for at this year’s General Election? You will see this month’s poll in the right-hand sidebar of...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – Jamie Whyte, leave that poor seal alone!
    Worse than showing mere lip service to Rainbow inclusion, ACT leader Jamie Whyte showed stunning arrogance when appeared at a candidates debate on rainbow issues hosted by the Auckland University Students’ Association last Thursday. The stunning hypocrisy was evident as...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Right wing can’t help but use scum
    Some people have been shocked that the traditional right wing party in New Zealand politics is so deeply embedded with scum like the blogger Whale Oil. We need not be so surprised. It takes a certain type to support the...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • EXCLUSIVE: National’s Ohariu candidate admits contact by Simon Lusk
    . . Wellington, NZ, 31  August – At a meet-the-candidates public meeting in the Rongotai Electorate, National’s Ohariu candidate, Brett Hudson, confirmed that he had been approached by “a mate”, who passed on a message from  National Party operative, Simon...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Auckland Broadcasting Debate 2014
    Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Auckland Broadcasting Debate 2014...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Petition for Governor General of New Zealand to Investigate all the allegat...
      Now we see the inquiry will be a whitewash, that is secret, won’t be consulted with the Opposition, will have limited scope and will ignore Nicky Hager’s book, we must demand the Governor General step in and demand an...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Ashburton, 1 September 2014
    I NEVER WENT BACK to Aramoana after the killing. I had been a frequent visitor to the tiny seaside village back in the late 1970s and throughout the 80s. Its tall cliffs and broad beaches providing a colourful backdrop to...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Checkmate in 1 move – how could Slater have known what was in OIA request...
    And now we get down to the final few moves before checkmate. If the following investigation is right, how could Slater and Collins have known what was in the Secret Intelligence Service Official Information Act request that hadn’t been released...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • The Edge Posts Naked Photos Of Jennifer Lawrence Without Consent
    Today the Edge website – owned by Media Works – published fully naked photographs of Jennifer Lawrence without her consent. It is not OK to publish naked media of any woman without her consent, full stop. It is absolutely disgusting...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Bomber, Laila and Maggie – a highlight from Auckland Broadcasting Debate ...
    Bomber, Laila and Maggie – a highlight from Auckland Broadcasting Debate 2014...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, how good was I i...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Maggie Barry slags Laila Harre & blogger, audience erupt
    The Coalition for Better Broadcasting held their public meeting in Auckland last night and it became a fiery shouting match when Maggie Barry decided to slag Laila Harre and me off. 250 people packed into the Pioneer Hall off High...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • It has to be a full independent public inquiry and Key MUST front
      You know things are bad when images like this start appearing in the media.  It isn’t a ‘left wing conspiracy’ to point out the over whelming evidence of what is clearly a right wing conspiracy! If it looks like a conspiracy, sounds like a conspiracy...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Political Party social media stats – National playing Dirty Politics on s...
    Interesting data from friend of the blog, Marty Stewart, on social media likes and it shows an interesting question that post Dirty Politics should probably get asked…   …it’s interesting that Key has so many personal followers.  One wonders if...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • The depth of the National rot and the compliance of our news media
    I’m so tired. Aren’t you? I don’t want to read the news anymore. It’s awful and I feel ashamed of it. We live in a country that people all over the world would give an arm, a leg; their life...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Conservative Party candidate links smacking ban with suicide, sexually tran...
    If Chemtrails, faked moon landings and climate change denial weren’t enough, welcome to your new Minister for Spanking,  Edward Saafi... The anti-smacking law is to blame for youth suicide, youth prostitution and even sexually-transmitted infections, a leading Conservative party candidate...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • A brief word on the canonisation of Matthew Hooton
    Before we all start the canonisation of Matthew Hooton, let’s consider some home truths here shall we? While the Wellington Ruminator Blog, the blog who was previously mates with Judith Collins, now seems to have a crush on Matthew Hooton… …I...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • A brief word on undercover cops in bars
    Dunedin police booze operation labelled ‘creepy’ Undercover police officers drank in Dunedin bars as part of an operation targeting liquor licensing offences. While police said the inaugural operation was a success — with most bars found compliant — the Hospitality...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Judith Collins press conference
    Judith Collins press conference...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Angry Lawyer – Collins, Odgers, Williams and legal ethics
    We deserve better lawyers than Judith Collins Three of the worst offenders exposed in Dirty Politics are lawyers: Judith Collins, Cathy Odgers, and Jordan Williams. What Nicky Hager exposed them doing would be out of line for anyone, but from...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – Necessary Defence
    Increasingly climate change is becoming the main fracture line between political parties. Where political parties stand on climate change defines political parties and movements like no other issue. The Mana Movement like the Maori Party it sprang from, came out...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Why it is all over for John Key
    Image: Melanie D I’ve been confident that National will lose this election and that our focus should be on what a progressive Government needs to establish as its agenda in the first 100 days. Past that point, the establishment pushes back...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • A brief word to everyone who voted National in 2011
    I received this interesting email from a National Party supporter today… …let me say this to anyone who voted National last election – you should be ashamed by what has been revealed and what your vote ended up enabling but...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • EXCLUSIVE: Déjà Vu All Over Again: John Ansell confirms his participation...
      THE MAN BEHIND the Iwi-Kiwi billboards that very nearly won the 2005 election for Don Brash and the National Party has confirmed his involvement in businessman John Third’s and former Act MP Owen Jennings’ campaign to drive down the...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Public Broadcasting Auckland debate 6.30pm tonight now with Colin Craig &am...
    The Coalition for Better Broadcasting debate on public broadcasting happens tonight at 6.30pm in Auckland at the Pioneer Women’s Hall, High Street, Auckland City.  In the light of Dirty Politics and the manipulation of the media, public broadcasting is more important for...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Winners & Losers in Collins sacking plus what’s the latest on Slater...
      Make no mistake, there was no way this was a resignation, it’s a face saving way out for Collins, she was sacked.  My understanding is that National internal polls are haemorrhaging and that the powers that be within National...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Third party propaganda attacks incoming Labour-led government
    . . Further to a report by Daily Blogger, Chris Trotter, on receiving information regarding planned attack-billboards, the following billboard is highly visible to traffic on the southbound lane of the Wellington motorway, just prior to the Murphy St turn-off....
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Labour wins the Internet
    I’m sure I’m not the only one who tried to vote online for the leaders debate and couldn’t because the website was down. The next option was the txt vote, 75c a pop of course. So I’m not surprised that...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – Rotherham and the need to challenge willful bl...
    I haven’t been following the events in Rotterham too closely.  I’ve read about the basic issues and the culture of silence that stopped action been taken even after complaints were made.  That culture of silence is incredibly familiar, and described...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Review: Hairspray
      Oh Hairspray! What fun! Somehow I managed to miss the movie when it came out, I had no idea really what it was about though I felt it had a vague relation to High School Musical. In retrospect, that...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Mounting global pressure against Timor-Leste’s ‘death sentence’ media...
    East Timor’s José Belo … courageous fight against ‘unconstitutional’ media law.Image: © Ted McDonnell 2014 CAFÉ PACIFIC and the Pacific Media Centre Online posted challenges to the controversial ‘press law’ nine months ago when it emerged how dangerous this draft...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Spies, Lies and When Campaigns Are Fried
    Like most of the rest of the nation’s political classes, I was eagerly affixed to TV One from 12:30 on Saturday afternoon to witness the downfall of Judith Collins.Whenever we witness the crumbling of a titan of the political landscape...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • BREAKING: Whaleoil crushes Crusher
    Judith ends up shooting herself A new email has been released suggesting that Collins was attempting to undermine the head of Serious Fraud Office with the help of far right hate speech merchant Cameron Slater. Unbelievable!   She has been forced...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • BREAKING: Rumours Judith Collins gone at lunchtime
    Brook Sabin first of the mark with rumours Judith Collins is about to resign – PM announcing a statement at 12.30pm… …Paddy follows… …Vance confirms..   …if Collins is gone by lunchtime, it will be because the PM understands the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • BREAKING: UPDATE on DIRT ALERT!
    Thanks to the information passed to Chris Trotter by “Idiot/Savant” from No Right Turn it is now possible to identify at least some of the persons involved in this latest example of attack politics. What follows is Chris’s response to Idiot/Savant’s timely assistance: Well done...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Comparing burning puppets, hip hop lyrics and drunk student chants to black...
    Watching the mainstream media try and obscure Cunliffe’s surprise win in the leaders debate  is a reminder the Press Gallery is in depressed shock. The current spin line from the Wellington bubble media in the wake of Dirty Politics is that...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Why has it all gone quiet on Charter Schools?
    They’re one of ACT’s flagship policies and the National Party have been gung ho in supporting them. So how come we’re not hearing Hekia Parata, Jamie Whyte, Catherine Isaac, et al singing from the rafters about what a resounding success charter...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Moment of Truth – September 15th – Auckland Town Hall
    Moment of Truth – September 15th – Auckland Town Hall...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • EXCLUSIVE: Dirt Alert! Are the Greens and Labour about to become the target...
    WE’VE SEEN IT ALL BEFORE. In 2005 pamphlets began appearing all over New Zealand attacking Labour and the Greens. For a couple of days both the parties targeted and the news media were flummoxed. Who was behind such an obviously...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • The Donghua Liu Affair: the Press Council’s decision
    . . 1. Prologue . The Donghua Liu Affair hit  the headlines on 18 June, with allegations that David Cunliffe wrote a letter in 2003,  on  behalf of  business migrant, Donghua Liu. Four days later, on Sunday 22 June, the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • The difference between Cunliffe & Key in the debate
    It was with much interest that I watched the leaders debate on Thursday night.  I watched with an open mind, always happy to have my opinion changed.  Maybe John Key is all the wonderful things that many say about him,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Denis Tegg – When Did We Agree To Our Data Being Shared with ...
    New shocking evidence has emerged from Edward Snowden’s trove of documents about a program called ICREACH under which data collected by the GCSB is shared with 23 US spy agencies. Under new sharing agreements which appear to have commenced immediately after...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Independent Epsom Candidates ‘One Strike’ Crime Policy
    Best wishes to all of those who live in Epsom, Mount Eden, New Market, Remuera and of course the rest of New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Large majorities of NZ First voters would prefer Labour deal
    67% of those who voted for New Zealand First at the 2011 general election would prefer Labour to lead a coalition government if one is needed after September 20’s general election....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Jointly owned urban development agency for Christchurch
    “Given the strategic importance of the Canterbury rebuild, it is logical that the transition from emergency governance arrangements is overseen by the Prime Minister’s office, but to maintain momentum in the city centre an expert development agency...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Collins inquiry at best a Band-Aid, a permanent fix needed
    Collins inquiry at best a Band-Aid, a permanent fix is needed The Public Service Association (PSA) says the inquiry into Judith Collins’ behaviour must be accompanied by a process to restore the lost trust between Ministers and public servants if...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Association welcomes new Chief Executive
    “The New Zealand Police Association is pleased to announce the appointment of Heather Verry to Chief Executive. Heather picks up the mantle from Chris Pentecost, who recently retired from this position,” Police Association President Greg O’Connor said...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Young Voters Want Politicians to Grow Up
    Young voters want answers to the questions that directly affect them – but it seems as much as anything, they want politicians to grow up....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Climate Voter election debate to get big audience
    Auckland, 2 September 2014 - Tickets to tomorrow night’s first-ever Climate Voter election debate have sold out but an online audience will also get to see the event live....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • The Edge show disregard for consent
    The Edge has shown complete disregard for consent, for women’s bodies and in doing so has contributed to the wider issue of rape culture in New Zealand says specialist sexual violence prevention organisation, Sexual Abuse Prevention Network. Yesterday,...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • The Rock is Fuelling New Zealand’s Roastbuster Rape Culture
    The Rock are still displaying without-consent images of Jennifer Lawrence and other celebrities online. They are making fun of this without-consent action, saying that she was "asking for it", etc. They appear to be supporting this kind of...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • HRLA Condemns Murder of Filipino Human Rights lawyer
    Attorney Rodolfo R. Felicio, a member of the National Union of Peoples Lawyers , was gunned down while working on a land dispute in Rizal, east of Manila. Two caretakers of the disputed land were also injured in the attack....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • SFO lays charges for procurement fraud
    Two individuals have been charged in the Auckland District Court today with Crimes Act charges laid by the Serious Fraud Office for alleged fraud against Mighty River Power Limited relating to procurement for the Company’s Southdown power station....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Commitment to lifting wages good for New Zealand
    The Service and Food Workers Union has applauded the Green Party workers’ policy announced today....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Sykes: There’s Only One Poll That Counts
    “One of the oldest sayings in politics is that there is only one poll that counts – the one on Election Day – and that’s the one that I am focusing on” remarked the MANA Movement candidate for Waiariki, Annette...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Winston Peters Shown up by the Civilian Party
    Even the satirical 'Civilian Party' has now offered the Taxpayers’ Union more credible figures for the ' Bribe-O-Meter ' than Winston Peters’ New Zealand First. The Taxpayers’ Union Bribe-O-Meter now includes, National, Labour, the Greens,...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Further criminal investigation into CTV Building collapse
    Police has today confirmed it will be advancing the criminal investigation into the collapse of the CTV building in February 2011....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Greens policy to restore link between effort and reward
    The Green Party’s new workers policy articulates an alternative to wage repression and job insecurity based on restoring the link between effort and reward, according to FIRST Union. The core tenets of the policy include implementing an $18 minimum...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Greens workers policy supported by union movement
    The CTU is supporting the Green Party’s policy launched today focused on improving life for working New Zealanders. “This policy shows the Greens commitment to collective bargaining as the best and fairest way to improve workers terms and conditions. It...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Research Scholarships for Cannabis Treatments
    Medical cannabis research will be boosted by $140 million if the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party is elected on September 20. Pediatric epilepsy treatment will be one of the main priorities for the research scholarships....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Ngai Te Rangi Change to Tribal Elections
    Ngai Te Rangi has begun a postal vote of beneficiaries to change the way representatives are elected to the two Ngai Te Rangi tribal organisations....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Greens’ commitment to pay equity welcomed by workers
    The Public Service Association (PSA) says the 58,000 workers they represent will benefit from the announcement by the Green Party of a commitment to pay equity and to a living wage for core public servants and contractors....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Real People Powering Real Policy
    New Zealanders from all walks of life have helped the Internet Party create a full platform of strong, progressive and realistic policies that will create a better future for everyone, says leader Laila Harré....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • University of Canterbury to help with forestry safety
    The University of Canterbury is to launch a new research project to make sure New Zealand’s new forestry roads are safe and are established with minimal environmental impact....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Time to get serious about ending homelessness!
    New Zealand needs a comprehensive set of policies that address the housing and support needs of homeless people as well as significantly increasing the supply of affordable, good quality houses and flats....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Hundreds to join domestic, sexual violence march
    Several social service providers from across New Zealand have come together to call for an end to the epidemic level of domestic and sexual violence in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Students helped with debt repayments
    New Zealand students now living in Australia are being reminded not to ignore their student loan debt as Inland Revenue expands its latest tool to help with repayments....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Launch of GenderNeutral.co.nz website
    GenderNeutral.co.nz are excited to announce the launch of their new website, GenderNeutral.co.nz ....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Factory farming debaters to look chicken in the eye
    MPs participating in a panel discussion about factory farming will come face-to-face with a real live hen, rescued from the claws of the intensive farming industry. Hettie the Hen will demonstrate to the MPs what little space is afforded to...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Leadership stands strong behind Internet MANA relationship
    “There is now, and always will be, a range of views about many issues within our movement and members are free to express them, but Georgina’s views on Kim Dotcom are not shared by the MANA Movement leadership or the...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Personal Statement by Matthew Hooton
    Personal Statement by Matthew Hooton 1 September 2014 For Immediate Release “This morning I made comments on Radio New Zealand’s Nine to Noon programme about an attempt by staff in the Prime Minister’s Office to interfere in the appointment...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • The Worm turns down for John Key
    John Key struggled to coax The Worm above the line in Thursday’s Leaders Debate, according to Roy Morgan’s Reactor, the original Worm. John Key struggled to coax The Worm above the line in Thursday’s Leaders Debate, according to Roy Morgan’s...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • The Edge Posts Naked Photos Without Consent
    The Edge website, owned by Media Works have published fully naked photographs of Jennifer Lawrence without her consent....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Statement from the Governor-General on Ashburton Shootings
    The Governor-General, Lt Gen The Rt Hon Sir Jerry Mateparae, has expressed his deep shock following the shooting of three people in Ashburton today....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Update on IGIS inquiry into release of NZSIS information
    In recognition of the public interest, the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security, Cheryl Gwyn, took the unusual step of providing an update during the course of an inquiry and confirmed today that she would be summoning a number of individuals...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • An Open Government Plan developed in secrecy
    The State Services Commission sent NZ’s Open Government Action Plan to the international Open Government Partnership (OGP) Secretariat on 31 July. The countries involved in the OGP since its inception - from the UK and US to Indonesia and Brazil...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • KiwiRail; another year older and deeper in debt
    That is a lot of money and there are lessons that need to be learnt before we pour in another $1 billion....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Fonterra China Deal Demands Safe Supply Chain
    The future success of Fonterra’s deal to sell infant formula in China [1] requires all milk it uses be safe and for Fonterra to secure its supply chain from contamination by GE DNA and pesticide residues. There is now significant...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • HRC praises Auckland mum for speaking out
    Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy has praised an Auckland mother of four who went public after humiliating treatment by staff at The Warehouse....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Southern DHB refers disputed issue to Serious Fraud Office
    Following advice from forensic investigation firm Beattie Varley Limited, Southern District Health Board has referred the expenditure at the centre of its long running dispute with South Link Health to the Serious Fraud Office. The parties have been...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • The Letter 1 September 2014
    Last night’s TVNZ Colmar Brunton poll puts the left and right 60 MPs each. United and the Maori Party say they will go with the side that gets to 61 MPs. ACT just needs just 1.3% or 28 thousand Party...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Shopping Giveaway Harmless Fun For Kids
    Family First NZ is rubbishing claims by critics including Gareth Morgan that the New World ‘Little Shop’ promotion is harmful for kids, and says that kids should be allowed to be kids. “Children love acting like their parents and pretending...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Red Cross launches employment service for former refugees
    New Zealand Red Cross is encouraging employers to give refugees a fresh startwith the launch of Pathways to Employment, a nationwide work assistance service....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • EDS welcomes Labour’s Conservation Policy
    The Environmental Defence Society has welcomed Labour’s Conservation Policy including the key objective of halting the current pattern of indigenous biodiversity decline within ten years....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Poverty is falling and income inequality is not rising
    “A Roy Morgan poll shows that the issue people are most concerned about is income inequality. This just goes to show how the persistent repetition of a lie bewilders the public. Income inequality is not in fact rising. And the...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Rotary NZ responding to Fiji water and sanitation issues
    Clean water and sanitation are vital to health. In Fiji Rotary New Zealand have been targeting 22 communities that are experiencing severe hardship mainly because they don’t have access to clean water for their drinking, cleaning and cooking needs....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Work & Income shooting a Tragedy
    Kay Brereton speaking on behalf of the National Beneficiary Advocacy Consultancy group says; “Two people shot and another wounded, this is a tragedy and our deepest sympathy goes out to the family and whanau of the victims, as well as...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • 1080 Poison Deer Repellent not Effective – Farmers
    Four deer have been found dead within a farmer's bush block, after an aerial 1080 poison drop applied with deer repellent. The drop was part of a 30,000 hectare drop across the Northern Pureora Forest Park....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Employment Charter will strengthen migrants’ rights
    Establishing an Employment Charter for construction companies is a critical step to strengthening the rights of migrant workers that are fast becoming the face of the Christchurch rebuild, according to an alliance of union groups. The charter has...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Global March For Elephants and Rhino
    It’s a trans-national business that funds terrorist organisations, fuels conflict in Africa, and poses environmental, development and security challenges. The illegal wildlife trade is also a lucrative business, generating an estimated USD$20 billion...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • New series of videos aimed at disengaged youth
    From the people who brought you 'NZ Idle' (NZ's favourite web series about an artist on the dole) comes a new series about election time: Choice Lolz....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Picket Of Leaders Christchurch Debate
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    Scoop politics | 01-09
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