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		<title>By: Idiot/Savant</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/drop-the-immigration-bill/comment-page-3/#comment-71003</link>
		<dc:creator>Idiot/Savant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve: any chance your partner would volunteer for her story and still photo to be used in an ad?  Alternatively, if you know anyone else in that situation who might be willing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve: any chance your partner would volunteer for her story and still photo to be used in an ad?  Alternatively, if you know anyone else in that situation who might be willing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Standard 2.01: Growing opposition to Immigration Bill</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/drop-the-immigration-bill/comment-page-3/#comment-70915</link>
		<dc:creator>The Standard 2.01: Growing opposition to Immigration Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Butcher has produced this excellent video opposing the Immigration Bill (which we blogged about last week and is covered in more detail [...]</description>
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		<title>By: T-rex</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/drop-the-immigration-bill/comment-page-3/#comment-70583</link>
		<dc:creator>T-rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 08:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, www.stopthebill.wordpress.com is now ready to use.

There is a link to a petition.

I have a video ready to go, just taking final thoughts to consider.

I have written some brief summaries of worrying elements of the bill (well - written/shamelessly copied). These can be accessed under the &quot;brief summary&quot; links section on the right of the page.

If anyone wants to write a summary of another element, please feel free to do so and post it in the comments section on the main page. I&#039;ll make it into another page and place the link. I&#039;m just tired, so i&#039;m stopping for now.

All the people above who said they thought the Immigration Bill was a terrible idea, please go to the site and sign the petition.

Standardistas - if you could have a post tomorrow morning directing attention to the site that would be great. Steve - I&#039;ll send you a copy of the video once it&#039;s final.

Anyone else who wants it, feel free to rip it and send it far and wide. I&#039;m going to start emailing it all directions tomorrow morning, as well as to the various media/human rights groups.

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, <a href="http://www.stopthebill.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.stopthebill.wordpress.com</a> is now ready to use.</p>
<p>There is a link to a petition.</p>
<p>I have a video ready to go, just taking final thoughts to consider.</p>
<p>I have written some brief summaries of worrying elements of the bill (well &#8211; written/shamelessly copied). These can be accessed under the &#8220;brief summary&#8221; links section on the right of the page.</p>
<p>If anyone wants to write a summary of another element, please feel free to do so and post it in the comments section on the main page. I&#8217;ll make it into another page and place the link. I&#8217;m just tired, so i&#8217;m stopping for now.</p>
<p>All the people above who said they thought the Immigration Bill was a terrible idea, please go to the site and sign the petition.</p>
<p>Standardistas &#8211; if you could have a post tomorrow morning directing attention to the site that would be great. Steve &#8211; I&#8217;ll send you a copy of the video once it&#8217;s final.</p>
<p>Anyone else who wants it, feel free to rip it and send it far and wide. I&#8217;m going to start emailing it all directions tomorrow morning, as well as to the various media/human rights groups.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: T-rex</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/drop-the-immigration-bill/comment-page-3/#comment-70534</link>
		<dc:creator>T-rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 07:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheers &#039;Sod, going with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheers &#8216;Sod, going with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Robinsod</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/drop-the-immigration-bill/comment-page-3/#comment-70530</link>
		<dc:creator>Robinsod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 07:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks good to me.</description>
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		<title>By: T-rex</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/drop-the-immigration-bill/comment-page-3/#comment-70506</link>
		<dc:creator>T-rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 06:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Almost ready to go.

I&#039;m just creating a petition statement - opinions of the below please?

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We call upon the elected officials of the New Zealand Government to withdraw all support for the Immigration Bill. We feel it grants unchecked power to government, and should not be allowed while it continues to attack basic freedoms, attack natural justice, and violate universal human rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almost ready to go.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just creating a petition statement &#8211; opinions of the below please?</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>We call upon the elected officials of the New Zealand Government to withdraw all support for the Immigration Bill. We feel it grants unchecked power to government, and should not be allowed while it continues to attack basic freedoms, attack natural justice, and violate universal human rights.</p>
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		<title>By: T-rex</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/drop-the-immigration-bill/comment-page-3/#comment-69904</link>
		<dc:creator>T-rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok!

I have what is probably, without an ounce of ego, the single best protest movie ever made.

maybe a few ounces of ego.

ounces, tons, who&#039;s counting right?

Anyway, I still need ideas for what to actually put ON the site once people go there.

If we&#039;ve got a whole lot of horrified people, who want to do something very quick and simple - what do we give them?

A form email would be ideal - who knows how to do that?

That, and a big list of people who oppose it. One of those &quot;enter your email address and you&#039;ll be sent a confirmation link&quot; things.

I&#039;d like to release the movie tomorrow night, which means there needs to be something working by then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok!</p>
<p>I have what is probably, without an ounce of ego, the single best protest movie ever made.</p>
<p>maybe a few ounces of ego.</p>
<p>ounces, tons, who&#8217;s counting right?</p>
<p>Anyway, I still need ideas for what to actually put ON the site once people go there.</p>
<p>If we&#8217;ve got a whole lot of horrified people, who want to do something very quick and simple &#8211; what do we give them?</p>
<p>A form email would be ideal &#8211; who knows how to do that?</p>
<p>That, and a big list of people who oppose it. One of those &#8220;enter your email address and you&#8217;ll be sent a confirmation link&#8221; things.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to release the movie tomorrow night, which means there needs to be something working by then.</p>
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		<title>By: T-rex</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/drop-the-immigration-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-69882</link>
		<dc:creator>T-rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 06:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great to have you here Jennifer, always welcome lucid and cogent arguments.

Those damn im&#039;grints and their abnormally large handicapped families... gosh, I just don&#039;t know how we&#039;ve made it this far!

Basically you think that persecution is a terrible thing... yet you&#039;re damned if you&#039;re going to let anyone being persecuted escape from it. You&#039;re the hypocrite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to have you here Jennifer, always welcome lucid and cogent arguments.</p>
<p>Those damn im&#8217;grints and their abnormally large handicapped families&#8230; gosh, I just don&#8217;t know how we&#8217;ve made it this far!</p>
<p>Basically you think that persecution is a terrible thing&#8230; yet you&#8217;re damned if you&#8217;re going to let anyone being persecuted escape from it. You&#8217;re the hypocrite.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/drop-the-immigration-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-69838</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 05:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mention Human Rights?  Perhaps you should converse with Labour MP Anjem Choudry about Human Rights.  Last time I saw that man (for want of a better word) on television he was trying to convince us that stoning to death for adultery was OK, just not in NZ of course. ( His appearance came after the worldwide controversy about the  stoning a Saudi woman).

That is the last time me and many many of my friends will ever vote for Labour. I realise he is only with Labour to capture the muslim vote, but all he did, fortunately, was turn a lot of people off.  I see he is still with you - what uneducated selection board chose a neanderthal like that to represent Kiwis who mostly find Sharia law totally abhorrent.  Being tolerant to the intolerant gets you in hot water.

Any party or bill that negates NZ ending up like Britain who cannot get rid of terrorist leeches because of overtolerant western attitudes, whose taxpayers are forced to financially support these dissidents and their abnormally large families who have a high overrepresentation of intellectually/physically handicapped children)gets my tick.

Having lived (as a married white woman) in two Islamic countries and visited many more I would suggest the Labour party do a bit more homework on issues such as this.

However, I do find it funny to think of Mr. Choudry having to associate (and Gasp! - maybe even having to shake hands with) so many of those that his ideology hangs, throws from rooftops, pushes walls on top of - can&#039;t think how the poor chap sleeps at night. What a party of hypocrites!

Even funnier was the time when NZ posted a female to Malaysia as our defence liason representative. (Under a Labour govt. of course)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mention Human Rights?  Perhaps you should converse with Labour MP Anjem Choudry about Human Rights.  Last time I saw that man (for want of a better word) on television he was trying to convince us that stoning to death for adultery was OK, just not in NZ of course. ( His appearance came after the worldwide controversy about the  stoning a Saudi woman).</p>
<p>That is the last time me and many many of my friends will ever vote for Labour. I realise he is only with Labour to capture the muslim vote, but all he did, fortunately, was turn a lot of people off.  I see he is still with you &#8211; what uneducated selection board chose a neanderthal like that to represent Kiwis who mostly find Sharia law totally abhorrent.  Being tolerant to the intolerant gets you in hot water.</p>
<p>Any party or bill that negates NZ ending up like Britain who cannot get rid of terrorist leeches because of overtolerant western attitudes, whose taxpayers are forced to financially support these dissidents and their abnormally large families who have a high overrepresentation of intellectually/physically handicapped children)gets my tick.</p>
<p>Having lived (as a married white woman) in two Islamic countries and visited many more I would suggest the Labour party do a bit more homework on issues such as this.</p>
<p>However, I do find it funny to think of Mr. Choudry having to associate (and Gasp! &#8211; maybe even having to shake hands with) so many of those that his ideology hangs, throws from rooftops, pushes walls on top of &#8211; can&#8217;t think how the poor chap sleeps at night. What a party of hypocrites!</p>
<p>Even funnier was the time when NZ posted a female to Malaysia as our defence liason representative. (Under a Labour govt. of course)</p>
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		<title>By: rave</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/drop-the-immigration-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-69632</link>
		<dc:creator>rave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done T-Rex needs some supercharged people to do this. Will help with the blog in any way I can.
What about campaign logos. Dawn Raids 2 Rendition would get at the attack on NZ citizens rights and provide a lead into all the other attacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done T-Rex needs some supercharged people to do this. Will help with the blog in any way I can.<br />
What about campaign logos. Dawn Raids 2 Rendition would get at the attack on NZ citizens rights and provide a lead into all the other attacks.</p>
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		<title>By: T-rex</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/drop-the-immigration-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-69608</link>
		<dc:creator>T-rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, for now we are www.stopthebill.wordpress.com

Better ideas and web-design expertise still welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, for now we are <a href="http://www.stopthebill.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.stopthebill.wordpress.com</a></p>
<p>Better ideas and web-design expertise still welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: T-rex</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/drop-the-immigration-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-69595</link>
		<dc:creator>T-rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all,

I need a website/blog/whatever to provide a place for people to register opposition to this terrible bill.

It needs to be as simple as hell. I can provide a concept.

All I want is basically a completely black page with &quot;record your details here to indicate your opposition to the immigration bill&#039;s attack on human rights&quot; in the middle. Under that, a box for a name that people can fill in. If under that we could have a huge scrolling list of all names so far that would be awesome, but I&#039;m not greedy - just a counter would be fine.

At the bottom, how about: &quot;New Zealand is a free country. Let&#039;s keep it that way&quot;

Can anyone help? I&#039;ll have a shot at it tomorrow if not, but I&#039;ve never done it before, will be a bit of learning. Busy with the publicity material for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>I need a website/blog/whatever to provide a place for people to register opposition to this terrible bill.</p>
<p>It needs to be as simple as hell. I can provide a concept.</p>
<p>All I want is basically a completely black page with &#8220;record your details here to indicate your opposition to the immigration bill&#8217;s attack on human rights&#8221; in the middle. Under that, a box for a name that people can fill in. If under that we could have a huge scrolling list of all names so far that would be awesome, but I&#8217;m not greedy &#8211; just a counter would be fine.</p>
<p>At the bottom, how about: &#8220;New Zealand is a free country. Let&#8217;s keep it that way&#8221;</p>
<p>Can anyone help? I&#8217;ll have a shot at it tomorrow if not, but I&#8217;ve never done it before, will be a bit of learning. Busy with the publicity material for now.</p>
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		<title>By: George Darroch</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/drop-the-immigration-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-69075</link>
		<dc:creator>George Darroch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rave, you&#039;re absolutely right. What ever happened to workers internationalism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rave, you&#8217;re absolutely right. What ever happened to workers internationalism?</p>
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		<title>By: rave</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/drop-the-immigration-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-69065</link>
		<dc:creator>rave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve the current discourse is couched in terms of individual rights. We have here a few individuals writing blogs and sending letters. The reality is that this Bill is not directed at individuals as such but is part of a concerted attack on workers rights.  Bosses&#039; are not at all worried about their citizenship rights except in an abstract sense like British MP David Davis.  All I am asking right now is not to time travel into the perfect future but raise the need to oppose this in the unions and in the electorates. That&#039;s the only way that any changes will happen. What I am suggesting right now is not that we time travel into the perfect future but raise the urgency of opposing this in the unions and in the electorates before it gets passed. That&#039;s the only way that any changes will happen. In this I an an optimist and not a pessimist because I know what workers are capable of when mobilised. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve the current discourse is couched in terms of individual rights. We have here a few individuals writing blogs and sending letters. The reality is that this Bill is not directed at individuals as such but is part of a concerted attack on workers rights.  Bosses&#8217; are not at all worried about their citizenship rights except in an abstract sense like British MP David Davis.  All I am asking right now is not to time travel into the perfect future but raise the need to oppose this in the unions and in the electorates. That&#8217;s the only way that any changes will happen. What I am suggesting right now is not that we time travel into the perfect future but raise the urgency of opposing this in the unions and in the electorates before it gets passed. That&#8217;s the only way that any changes will happen. In this I an an optimist and not a pessimist because I know what workers are capable of when mobilised. </p>
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		<title>By: Steve Pierson</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/drop-the-immigration-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-68975</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Pierson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rave. yeah in a perfect world we&#039;d be in a post-State, post-capitalist system with multi-level sovereignty - based on a recognition that sovereignty arises from the individual and various elements of it are delegated to communities, to regions, to global level .... but we&#039;re quite a way from that and having a rant about that is not going to help moderate the current discourse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rave. yeah in a perfect world we&#8217;d be in a post-State, post-capitalist system with multi-level sovereignty &#8211; based on a recognition that sovereignty arises from the individual and various elements of it are delegated to communities, to regions, to global level &#8230;. but we&#8217;re quite a way from that and having a rant about that is not going to help moderate the current discourse.</p>
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