Comments on: Eek! ANGRY BLACKMAN

By: I don’t give a shit about Hone. But the lynch mob is interesting. at The Standard

Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:13:29 +0000

[...] may possibly be offensive and dumb, possibly racist, probably angry, embarrassing, or go too far as some of the varying opinions in posts here assert. I simply [...]

By: J Mex

J Mex — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:12:46 +0000

Sprout – Are you suggesting that if it was Rodney Hide who had used the term “black motherfuckers” in an email about a group of people that there would not have been a severe reaction from the standard, the media and the general public?

Interesting that you say the Lee response was disproportianate. Do you think her comment was racist?

By: the sprout

the sprout — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:22:09 +0000

i think the swastika responses to Lee were equally as preposterously disproportionate as the outcry over HH’s comments

By: Geek

Geek — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:47:53 +0000

Is the response any more disproportionate than students showing up to Mellisa Lee’s next public meeting with pictures of her with Swastika’s all over it and shouting racist the whole time? Or was that racist against her because she was Asian.

The response would have been more muted had Hone came out straight away and said he understood that people had taken offense to the fact his comments may be interpreted as racist and that was not his intention. instead he let it build for a week before apologizing to Women and for using bad language but clearly ignoring any racial offense he may have caused. He allowed this to turn into the furor it has become.

I do think it is a shame that he will end up out of the Maori party for it.

By: the sprout

the sprout — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:24:11 +0000

i’m referring to the racism you invoked in your quote above

By: J Mex

J Mex — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:06:04 +0000

Could you clarify which racism, if any, you are refering to Sprout?

By: the sprout

the sprout — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:28:26 +0000

the racism, if there’s any, comes from the disproportionate response

By: J Mex

J Mex — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:26:18 +0000

Correct, Geek. It’s the quite obvious double standard that annoys me.

In fact, what annoys me most is Sprouts inference that we are racist for finding Hone’s comments racist – To the effect of ‘You only find it upseting because an angry black man said it’

If Rodney Hide had written about a small group of Maori that had caused him problems and called them “a bunch of black motherfuckers”, you can be damn sure that Sprout wouldn’t be running to his aid saying “That’s not racist because he wasn’t refering to ALL Maori”.

The Standard, the media and the public would be going absolutely mental, calling for Hide’s resignation, and an apology to the whole of NZ. I wouldn’t be standing in their way.

Deep down, I pretty sure that Sprout et al acknowledge this. It’s just no fun to admit it. Much more fun to try and tie yourself into knots to show off your ability to almost defend the indefensible.

Personally, I think Marty G has pretty much nailed this topic in his latest post

By: Geek

Geek — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:22:27 +0000

I haven’t seen to many people call for him to lose his job. What has people in this thread angry is those who jump on the band wagon and call someone like Melissa Lee a Nazi for her comments then come and claim that Mr Harawira’s are any less offensive. He doesn’t need to lose his job. That doesn’t make his comments any less offensive.

By: Geek

Geek — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:18:10 +0000

God Bill you are making this shit up as you go along. Here is the quote from his email:

“White motherf****** have been raping our lands and ripping us off for centuries and all of a sudden you want me to play along with their puritanical bullsh**.”

It clearly says White Mother fuckers HAVE not WHO or THAT.For god sake you can try and justify this shit all you want but it doesn’t change the fact that his email in no way hints at being aimed at a sub set and is aimed at all White people.

By saying the oppressed get to frame the terms by which they reference the oppressor is clearly saying that if you feel oppressed you get to apply what ever language to that person you feel. I am afraid if that language is offensive it will remain so and is no more acceptable than a white farmer in Zimbabwe who has just been forced off his land referring to those who did it as “Ni**ers”.

By: the sprout

the sprout — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:11:17 +0000

I think Richards said some pretty stupid things he very quickly regretted Bretty, I’m inclined to agree with Seinfeld’s analysis on that one. Do you think he deserved to have his career destroyed and be persecuted for it?

do you think Harawira deserves to lose his job for his outbursts, considering you can be Deputy PM and Minister of Finance and defraud public funds, or build your career on being a perk buster then use public funds to shout holidays to Disneyland for your girlfriend, and suffer no sanction what so ever? What do you reckon Bretty?

By: Brett Dale

Brett Dale — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:52:27 +0000

I find it funny how the left always has to twist things or turn things around if one of their own make racist comments.

Is Michael Richards Racist in your opinion sprout?

By: Gosman

Gosman — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:12:26 +0000

You forgot to capitalise your H at the start of your last post PB.

By: Gosman

Gosman — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:10:42 +0000

So did you think that Melissa Lee was referring to ‘Brown’ people in south Auckland when whe referred to criminals from that location?

Or were you one of the people who defended her against accusations of racism but believed she made a stupid comment?

By: Pascal's bookie

Pascal's bookie — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:41:36 +0000

hah! That’s funny, cause I’m once again wondering why folks from starboard can’t read or think straight.