[Leftie] Climate change will be disastrous and we need to do something about it
[Wingnut] It does not exist
[Leftie] It does and it is backed up by 98% of the reputable scientific analysis
[Wingnut] But ABC says it does not
[Leftie] Just in case they are wrong we should do something

Please Nick confirm where the computer modelling has been discredited and why the vast majority of climate change scientists still describe climate change as a reality and an impending threat.

However that won’t stop the clamouring for public funds to protect their “investments”. In fact it will be hilarious to see the lobbying that will occur to get taxpayers to fund sea walls around Omaha Beach, where That Nice Mr Key has his holiday place ….

If people are stupid enough to buy or build that close to the sea then I propose they take the risk themselves.

As climate change clearly doesn’t exist, you should have the courage of your convictions and club together with a syndicate of like-minded deniers to offer cheap insurance to the huddled masses. After all, given there’s no threat of any of these adverse events occurring, there’s very little risk – collecting all those premiums and banking the profits should be a walk in the park! Your grandchildren will thank you!

So I look forward to you putting your money where your mouth is. Maybe lprent can do you a great deal on some online advertising on The Standard to kick-start the venture.

All we have to do is apply a little common sense to the matter, and I’m surprised all those clever science people haven’t thought of this really simple solution yet. It’s enough to make you suspect that the whole thing is one big hoax eh?

That’s insidious spin at its worst, Mike. >:(

Second: We really don’t have enough facts about climate destabilisation to determine with exact confidence which target would actually be ideal, and each additional contribution could well be crucial in improving the state in which the climate stabilises. Even if our emissions are tiny, that reason alone is good enough for us to do our part- not to mention that doing our fair share when it’s quite a bit more expensive for us to act helps put pressure on other countries that really want to take a half-assed approach.

These climate change debates always seem to go like this:

[Leftie] Climate change will be disastrous and we need to do something about it
[Wingnut] It does not exist
[Leftie] It does and it is backed up by 98% of the reputable scientific analysis
[Wingnut] But ABC says it does not
[Leftie] Just in case they are wrong we should do something
[Wingnut] But we cannot because of the economy
[Leftie] We can and should because of reasons A, B, C, D, E … there is an environmental and economic benefit
[Wingnut] But we cannot because of the economy
[Leftie] WTF wern’t you listening?

It really feels like you guys trot out the same old attack lines without even thinking or addressing the debate. How about thinking before you respond?

Instead, Michael Joseph Savage – and more importantly Peter Fraser (a pacifist in WWI) committed NZ, despite our military irrelevance.

So our 0.2% of global emissions is irrelevant. So what? NZ always has been, and always will be, irrelevant by whatever metric you choose. Yet the world has always listened to what we have to say, to what we have been prepared to contribute. It is about Leadership . ..