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		<title>By: Steve Withers</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/energy-policy-fails-to-energise/comment-page-1/#comment-80535</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Withers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Higher gas prices would perhaps allow the price of all power to be driven up....widening margins overall. 

Gas could be the trojan horse for holding everyone to ransom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Higher gas prices would perhaps allow the price of all power to be driven up&#8230;.widening margins overall. </p>
<p>Gas could be the trojan horse for holding everyone to ransom.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Pilott</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/energy-policy-fails-to-energise/comment-page-1/#comment-80519</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Pilott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevyn - there was a &quot;link&quot; below my post with the table.  From memory it was data from the MED.  How big is the Mohikinui (or similar) hydro, that would be a fair chink, 70MW+ perhaps.  That&#039;s also fairly far awawy.

But in answer to your question, I&#039;m not sure.  I guess the big ones would have to be the three wind farms - Central Otago, Port Waikato and Makara.  Those three would account for RMA consent/under construction in the wind category.

Darren, try paying your bills on time then.  Jokes aside, I didn&#039;t realise power was switched off for more than two hours to a few consumers over the last few months.  I guess that&#039;s the risk you take when opting for a cheaper power plan, though the media somehow missed the fact that anyone was having cold showers, which I find unbelievable.

Why do you blame Labour?  Power generation increased a huge amount under them in the last nine years, maybe you can blame your tory mates for hyping the &#039;crisis&#039; to a level where people had to act to be seen acting, despite having twice the reserve capacity of 1999.  Somewhat ironic - you paid the price for the actions of the idiots (I&#039;m assuming) you support!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevyn &#8211; there was a &#8220;link&#8221; below my post with the table.  From memory it was data from the MED.  How big is the Mohikinui (or similar) hydro, that would be a fair chink, 70MW+ perhaps.  That&#8217;s also fairly far awawy.</p>
<p>But in answer to your question, I&#8217;m not sure.  I guess the big ones would have to be the three wind farms &#8211; Central Otago, Port Waikato and Makara.  Those three would account for RMA consent/under construction in the wind category.</p>
<p>Darren, try paying your bills on time then.  Jokes aside, I didn&#8217;t realise power was switched off for more than two hours to a few consumers over the last few months.  I guess that&#8217;s the risk you take when opting for a cheaper power plan, though the media somehow missed the fact that anyone was having cold showers, which I find unbelievable.</p>
<p>Why do you blame Labour?  Power generation increased a huge amount under them in the last nine years, maybe you can blame your tory mates for hyping the &#8216;crisis&#8217; to a level where people had to act to be seen acting, despite having twice the reserve capacity of 1999.  Somewhat ironic &#8211; you paid the price for the actions of the idiots (I&#8217;m assuming) you support!</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Rickard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren Rickard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We had to have cold showers as well this winter because our hot water was cut off.

Shameful stuff Labour</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had to have cold showers as well this winter because our hot water was cut off.</p>
<p>Shameful stuff Labour</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RMA Survey of Local Authorities: 2005/2006 survey:

http://www.mfe.govt.nz/publications/rma/annual-survey/2005-2006/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RMA Survey of Local Authorities: 2005/2006 survey:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mfe.govt.nz/publications/rma/annual-survey/2005-2006/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mfe.govt.nz/publications/rma/annual-survey/2005-2006/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/energy-policy-fails-to-energise/comment-page-1/#comment-80514</link>
		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.windenergy.org.nz/FAQ/proj_dom.htm is the deeper link</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.windenergy.org.nz/FAQ/proj_dom.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.windenergy.org.nz/FAQ/proj_dom.htm</a> is the deeper link</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best source of data is the wind energy association website www.windenergy.org.nz  They have stats on the amount of wind projects currently going through the consent process or merely just announced.

I think local govt NZ or someone has stats on the amount of RMA applications that are blocked, and it is really small, less than one percent from memory.  I&#039;ll dig out a link</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best source of data is the wind energy association website <a href="http://www.windenergy.org.nz" rel="nofollow">http://www.windenergy.org.nz</a>  They have stats on the amount of wind projects currently going through the consent process or merely just announced.</p>
<p>I think local govt NZ or someone has stats on the amount of RMA applications that are blocked, and it is really small, less than one percent from memory.  I&#8217;ll dig out a link</p>
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		<title>By: Ari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SP, whoever made that screenshot needs more practice. They could&#039;ve saved a lot of cash by setting up the power lines differently.

Of course, this is a view of National in power, so it&#039;s probably appropriate :P

DJP- yeah, but not at the same time as reducing taxes for a significant amount of what you want to borrow. ;) I don&#039;t think anyone minds borrowing a little (or dipping into the national surplus) during a recession to kick the economy in the pants and get some good public spending on infrastructure going, but it ought to be infrastructure that will last, (like renewable power) infrastructure that solves problems, (like pollution, unclean water, and unsustainable fuel use) and infrastructure that generates employment for New Zealanders. :) National&#039;s spending ideas generally don&#039;t meet the criteria we would expect from good public spending- probably because they&#039;re very new to the idea of public spending as anything other than throwing away money as broad tax cuts.

Labour&#039;s just been anti-borrowing recently because National has dragged down the standard of debate to a level where we can&#039;t have a thorough explanation anymore lest it generate distorted headlines and the classic right-wing perceptions of &quot;wishy-washyness&quot; and &quot;flip-flopping&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SP, whoever made that screenshot needs more practice. They could&#8217;ve saved a lot of cash by setting up the power lines differently.</p>
<p>Of course, this is a view of National in power, so it&#8217;s probably appropriate <img src='http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>DJP- yeah, but not at the same time as reducing taxes for a significant amount of what you want to borrow. <img src='http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  I don&#8217;t think anyone minds borrowing a little (or dipping into the national surplus) during a recession to kick the economy in the pants and get some good public spending on infrastructure going, but it ought to be infrastructure that will last, (like renewable power) infrastructure that solves problems, (like pollution, unclean water, and unsustainable fuel use) and infrastructure that generates employment for New Zealanders. <img src='http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  National&#8217;s spending ideas generally don&#8217;t meet the criteria we would expect from good public spending- probably because they&#8217;re very new to the idea of public spending as anything other than throwing away money as broad tax cuts.</p>
<p>Labour&#8217;s just been anti-borrowing recently because National has dragged down the standard of debate to a level where we can&#8217;t have a thorough explanation anymore lest it generate distorted headlines and the classic right-wing perceptions of &#8220;wishy-washyness&#8221; and &#8220;flip-flopping&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew, Do you know what proportion of &quot;3: Projects with RMA consents - not yet under construction&quot; are not yet under construction because their RMA consents are subject to High Court appeals? Of the almost 500 MW that is under contruction how much will come on-line in each of the next three years? 

You didn&#039;t mention your data source otherwise I would have checked for myself. The main reason for raising these questions is that the Wairau Valley scheme is the the dominant hydro in column 3, and it&#039;s definitely not going to be generating within three years. Even if there wasn&#039;t a High Court appeal from the NIMBYs whose backyards (and front yards) it is being built on top of only the first of the five power stations can pysicaly be built within three years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew, Do you know what proportion of &#8220;3: Projects with RMA consents &#8211; not yet under construction&#8221; are not yet under construction because their RMA consents are subject to High Court appeals? Of the almost 500 MW that is under contruction how much will come on-line in each of the next three years? </p>
<p>You didn&#8217;t mention your data source otherwise I would have checked for myself. The main reason for raising these questions is that the Wairau Valley scheme is the the dominant hydro in column 3, and it&#8217;s definitely not going to be generating within three years. Even if there wasn&#8217;t a High Court appeal from the NIMBYs whose backyards (and front yards) it is being built on top of only the first of the five power stations can pysicaly be built within three years.</p>
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		<title>By: insider</title>
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		<dc:creator>insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George

They are not going to gut EECA&#039;s powers, if anything they seem to want to beef it up. Are you sure you are not confusing it with the EC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George</p>
<p>They are not going to gut EECA&#8217;s powers, if anything they seem to want to beef it up. Are you sure you are not confusing it with the EC?</p>
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		<title>By: killinginthenameof</title>
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		<dc:creator>killinginthenameof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darn it, its been so long, can anyone give me some tips on how to use a dos emulator?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darn it, its been so long, can anyone give me some tips on how to use a dos emulator?</p>
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		<title>By: Tane</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/energy-policy-fails-to-energise/comment-page-1/#comment-80410</link>
		<dc:creator>Tane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, good point, but then you start Sim City (from memory) with no assets and no revenue, so borrowing&#039;s kind of the only option.

Wouldn&#039;t be much of a game if they gave you a fully functioning developed economy that&#039;s already stretched to capacity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, good point, but then you start Sim City (from memory) with no assets and no revenue, so borrowing&#8217;s kind of the only option.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t be much of a game if they gave you a fully functioning developed economy that&#8217;s already stretched to capacity.</p>
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		<title>By: George Darroch</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Darroch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wrong. They&#039;re not going to abolish EECA, just gut its powers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wrong. They&#8217;re not going to abolish EECA, just gut its powers.</p>
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		<title>By: djp</title>
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		<dc:creator>djp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The funny thing is SimCity is predicated on the concept of using debt to build infrastructure. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funny thing is SimCity is predicated on the concept of using debt to build infrastructure. <img src='http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One problem with your picture Steve. Under National there wouldn&#039;t be any railway tracks.

You&#039;d probably have lots of borrowed highways though, putting you into a cycle of debt that will eventually ruin your game :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One problem with your picture Steve. Under National there wouldn&#8217;t be any railway tracks.</p>
<p>You&#8217;d probably have lots of borrowed highways though, putting you into a cycle of debt that will eventually ruin your game <img src='http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: insider</title>
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		<dc:creator>insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 04:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve

He has effectively banned most new hydro by saying that no hydro can be built that cannot be dismantled. It was in the renewables policy statement yesterday.

Wind at it;s absolute best is periodically at 50%. Some farms may achieve 40 over time that but it is likely to be much lower on average. In the first five months this year NZ wind farms were at 45, 31, 34, 25 and 24% capacity.

Projections said Huntly was a peaking station...And I suspect those are scenarios not projections.

MAtthew

There is some research going on as there is a perception that dry, still winters tend to coincide...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve</p>
<p>He has effectively banned most new hydro by saying that no hydro can be built that cannot be dismantled. It was in the renewables policy statement yesterday.</p>
<p>Wind at it;s absolute best is periodically at 50%. Some farms may achieve 40 over time that but it is likely to be much lower on average. In the first five months this year NZ wind farms were at 45, 31, 34, 25 and 24% capacity.</p>
<p>Projections said Huntly was a peaking station&#8230;And I suspect those are scenarios not projections.</p>
<p>MAtthew</p>
<p>There is some research going on as there is a perception that dry, still winters tend to coincide&#8230;</p>
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