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English in denial on climate change

Written By: - Date published: 9:12 am, March 18th, 2013 - 171 comments
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Corin Dann interviewed Bill English very well on climate change and the drought yesterday on Q+A. It was clear that English has his head in the dust. Despite claiming that the government is leading on climate change, English would barely let the ‘cc’ words pass his lips and referred ‘dry cycles’, as if climate change is just temporary, so not really worth worrying about.

If this is leadership, god help us.

171 comments on “English in denial on climate change”

  1. fender 2

    “It was clear that English has his head in the dust.”

    It was clear that English has a head full of dust…..FIFY

    • Andre 2.1

      He is such a plonker poor old Billy. Bob Dylan would put it into words better than i.

      • fender 2.1.1

        Chorus from “Idiot Wind” comes to mind:

        “Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your mouth,
        Blowing down the back roads headin’ south,
        Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your teeth,
        You’re an idiot, BILL.
        It’s a wonder that you still know how to breathe.”

      • UpandComer 2.1.2

        ‘Lol’. He is transparently smarter/wealthier/more respected/successful/cooler and noteworthy then you. God I can’t wait to see him debate whoever the Greens/Labour vomit up in the finance leaders debates.

        • Murray Olsen 2.1.2.1

          Will he tell us how successful he was with Solid Energy? Or is that question too hard for you? Bill English cool? I almost feel sorry for you.

    • Tim 2.2

      Similar thoughts, as in : “It was clear that English…” cetra…
      John Key and Mr Joyce must have very dusty arses.

  2. joe90 3

    With Obama signalling a new policy direction I expect Bill will get an elbow from our sycophant in chief.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-15/obama-will-use-nixon-era-law-to-fight-climate-change.html

    • ghostrider888 3.1

      “these NEPA reviews don’t mandate a specific course of action” ; gonna slow their economy down though :)

  3. Nick K 4

    La Nina is not climate change. It’s part of a broader weather pattern that causes droughts and have occurred as far back as 1904-1905.

  4. Dv 5

    Does L Nina cause the extreme weather events in the US, Australia, UK etc?

    • Poission 5.1

      The enso complex the southern oscillation is a dynamic system ie internal to the climate sysrtem,it is a random system with no preferred periodicity, and a nice example of both synchronization and self organization .

      The largest examples of catastrophic influences by the system such as el nino were in the 17th and 18 th centuries.

  5. corin dann was particularly good..i hope we see more of that..

    ..(english seemed quite shocked at danns refusal to just nod along to/with the spin ..

    ..his lizard eyes widened..then narrowed..)

    ..dann had hints of that tenacity/doggedness/efficient-bullshit-detectors early on..and then was emasculated by compering the breakfast variety show..(as nutritious as coco-pops..!..)

    ..good to see he/dann has returned to real journalism..

    ..phillip ure..

    • Nick K 6.1

      The spin that La Nina causes droughts? That’s not spin.

      • Macro 6.1.1

        Actually Nick the fact is that the El Nino phase of the ENSO is the period when drought is most likely. During El Nino the Pacific (-the oceans are currently gaining heat at the rate of 3 – 4 Hiroshima Bombs per second) begins to release the heat stored in the La Nina phase. -The fact that we have had serious drought in a La Nina phase indicates that we are heading for serious trouble when the Pacific begins to enter a El Nino. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Ocean temperatures around Australia reached record levels – that and the jet streams are now almost static in their patterns – causing some regions to become predominantly High Pressure Zones.

  6. andyS 7

    So what do you suggest?
    Bill English should have spent an hour prattling on about Climate Change and how we need to “take action” and other empty platitudes?

    Doesn’t seem to have worked so far. Most people dialed out of this a long time ago

    • One Tāne Huna 7.1

      Says who? Last time I checked you’re an authority on precisely nothing at all.

  7. rich the other 8

    ONE DEGREE in 100 years , and no change in the last16 years why would the GOVT or anyone panic.
    If change is occuring we have plenty of time to manage it.

    I thought the comedy part of Q&A was a real laugh , it had me in fits rolling on the carpet.
    The old girl from the greens was halarious,
    Quote” coal is a sunset industry”
    only to be told that India has 600 MILLION people without electricity and that over the next 30 years coal fired generation is being established to provide the essential in life.
    China has a similar problem.
    If coal is dying out its going to be a very slow death.

    Rember PEAK OIL the greens were on about a while ago , well it seems that since we started using oil we have consumed about 1.5 TRILLION barrels and guess what ,
    we have about 6 TRILLION barrels left ,around about 250 years worth, so much for oil running out.

    This highlites the thinking of the greens , they are POISON BEWARE.

    • rich the other 8.1

      Sorry I forgot “THE OTHER on post.

      [lprent: No problem. fixed. ]

    • Draco T Bastard 8.2

      ONE DEGREE in 100 years , and no change in the last16 years why would the GOVT or anyone panic.

      And 4 degrees by end of this century.

      If change is occuring we have plenty of time to manage it.

      Oh, it’s occurring and we don’t have time to manage it especially considering the fact that the politicians, especially those on the right, are trying hard to ignore it.

      we have about 6 TRILLION barrels left ,around about 250 years worth, so much for oil running out.

      Peak Oil isn’t about running out of oil but about when production peaks – which happened for conventional oil about 2k5/6. Which means that, from here on out, oil gets more expensive – exactly as predicted.

      Tell me, did you notice that oil is no longer priced at $10/bbl?

    • andyS 8.3

      Also, Germany is building 24 new coal fired power stations over the next few years.

    • Tiresias 8.4

      “If change is occuring we have plenty of time to manage it.”

      If it was a smooth continuum which responded predictably and smoothly to varying factors you might have a point. On the other hand if it’s prone to tipping points – particularly ones with run-away effects such as the collapse of the North Atlantic conveyor* – you’re talking self-delusional rubbish.

      *http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/05mar_arctic

  8. BM 9

    The left has fucked the whole climate change movement
    Climate change is now seen as a vehicle to push socialist policy, not saving the planet.

    • One Tāne Huna 9.1

      You fuckwits have denied it for so long and now you’re bleating because the left has a cogent policy response? What a pathetic whining spectacle you are.

      • BM 9.1.1

        Should have kept politics out of it, no one gives a shit any more.
        If it happens, it happens.

        • One Tāne Huna 9.1.1.1

          You mendacious wretch, the only people politicising it are right wing gimps like you.

      • UpandComer 9.1.2

        Maybe people just want the claims to be commensurate with the actual science. If you’re going to slaughter most of the cows as if that’s going to stop everyone in China/India/Africa wanting a Buick, then at least don’t exaggerate or pontificate. Remember global cooling? Because Carbon dioxide levels were too low? The world was going to end by 1986? Maybe Bill is just being reasonable before we all go and throw acid at a fishing ship

        • One Tāne Huna 9.1.2.1

          Hey, cretin, your “global cooling” fantasy is utterly destroyed right here in this very thread. Perhaps you should read before you type, no?

    • andyS 9.2

      Yes I would agree with that

      • One Tāne Huna 9.2.1

        Two fuckwits whining in unison.

        • andyS 9.2.1.1

          Your comment is particularly apposite to this discussion.
          Any serious discussion of climate change is responded by abusive and intolerant remarks

          It is hardly surprising no one is listening or the remotest bit interested in you.

        • grumpy 9.2.1.2

          Three. Even the IPCC has stepped back from it’s previous predictions.

          The science is settled, AGW is dead…….

          • One Tāne Huna 9.2.1.2.1

            Really?

            No.

            the IPCC surface temperature projections have been exceptionally accurate (although they have under-predicted many other climate variables, such as Arctic sea ice extent decline and sea level rise).

            Nothing like a wingnut for stupid wishful thinking.

    • fender 9.3

      I’ve often speculated that BM stands for Bloody Moron. Today it was confirmed to be so.

  9. grumpy 10

    Not even the Aussies are buying this rubbish. AGW is dead, changing the name to Climate Change to have a dollar each way is also dead. No warming for 15 years and only 1 degree in the last century!

    http://joannenova.com.au/2013/03/hottest-summer-record-in-australia-not-even-close-says-uah-satellite-data/

    • Draco T Bastard 10.1

      http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/our-hottest-summer-on-land-and-sea/story-e6frg6nf-1226595952853

      THE summer of 2012-13 was not only Australia’s hottest on land — our seas were also warmer than ever.

      It seems that reality disagrees with you.

        • NickS 10.1.1.1

          :roll:

          Oh joy, another idiot who can’t sanity-check their source. Try again when they bother submitting it to peer review for a climatology journal, because from memory Whitehouse fails hard at time series stats. And really, 60+ pages to do something that should only take 12 at most due to it being time series stats? + that quote at the start is so totes screaming out desperation and persecution complex.

          (Please feed Nick with sleep/chocolate to initiate sufficient motivation to begin full, double fisted fisking)

          Also:
          http://weltanschuuang.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/two-views-on-global-warming-standstill.html

          • andyS 10.1.1.1.1

            OK Nick, get back to us when you have fisted this article.

            In the meantime, we’ll assume it is wrong because of the author’s affiliations.
            If it is not an Approved Source ™ it is wrong. That’s how climate science ™ works.

            • One Tāne Huna 10.1.1.1.1.1

              You can’t even understand (or summarise) Nick’s argument, so how you expect to be able to follow science? Wingnut fail.

            • NickS 10.1.1.1.1.2

              :roll:

              Or it could be that peer review is a rather good filter for removing crap, it doesn’t work all the time and the big journals have a habit over-hyping stuff, but it still fucking works.

              And frankly, if someone has a history of being wrong on a topic, then it’s usually highly probable inference that what they say about that topic now and in the future will also be wrong. Like say Ken Ham on evolution, and Ken Ring on anything to do with the weather and earthquakes.

              It does help too if you actually grasp how science works.

              • andyS

                So if peer review is a good filter for science, how did Marcott et al get accepted for publication?

                It has been widely shredded from multiple directions.

                The same could be said of Gergis et al,

                • One Tāne Huna

                  Can’t find any paper by Marcott et al. Scholar asks “Did you mean: Marcotte et al?” Spelling fail? Illiterate dupe?

                  So what were the criticisms of A probabilistic functional network of yeast genes? I’m sure it’s fascinazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

                  • Macro

                    I think this is what andy is rabbitting on about
                    http://klimaatverandering.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/shakun_marcott_hadcrut4_a1b.png
                    He doesn’t like it because it replicates the work of Mann whom he HATES – why – because of course Mann et al show that we really are having an effecton climate in a big way and that – andy for whatever reason has to deny.

                    • andyS

                      It replicates a similar piece of junk science, if that’s what you mean.
                      The critiques of this paper are so damning it must be a candidate for withdrawal from publication, just like Gergis et al.

                    • Macro

                      “The critiques of this paper are so damning it must be a candidate for withdrawal from publication” lol
                      Like the Greenland ice temps for instance? :) Idiot!That “critique” is so flawed it leaks like a sieve.
                      I told you to stay away from Watts – he is damaging what ever rational functionality you have left

                    • One Tāne Huna

                      AndyS, please tell me you aren’t relying on Watts! Surely Macro is being uncharitable, isn’t he? “BEST” find another echo chamber, eh :lol:

                    • andyS

                      Would someone please show me where I referenced Watts?

                      This piece of “science” by Marcott et al has been comprehensively rubbished by Steve McIntyre, suyts space, Judith Curry and many others.

                      Even Skeptical Science won’t touch it with a bargepole

                    • Macro

                      McIntyre! Curry! OMG! I’m quaking in my boots! If you think those charlatans represent good science you a very very sadly mistaken.
                      McIntyre can’t figure out the difference between 2 and 49!
                      http://www.skepticalscience.com/1934-hottest-year-on-record.htm
                      As for madam Curry – well I guess she has to make a name for herself – someone who really hasn’t a clue.
                      http://www.skepticalscience.com/loehle-scafetta-60-year-cycle.htm

                    • One Tāne Huna

                      How touching. A long discussion of the Marcott paper at guess where.

                      I shouldn’t read it if I were you though – your sacred cows come in for a fair amount of ridicule and contempt. Almost as much as that earned by Andy Scrase. Now there’s a credibility-free zone if ever there was one.

                  • jaymam

                    Google for “Marcott et al”
                    About 99,800 results
                    Obviously you need to use the quote signs.
                    Glad I could help.

                    P.S. Marcott et al 2013 will shortly be withdrawn from Science magazine for being a fabrication.

                    • One Tāne Huna

                      Says who? Please tell me you aren’t taking Watts’ word for it. McIntyre? When the paper isn’t withdrawn will you feel like a dupe, or a tool?

                    • NickS

                      When the paper isn’t withdrawn will you feel like a dupe, or a tool?

                      He wont feel a thing, thanks to denial-o-googles. Making inconvenient facts invisible since forever!*

                      @jaymam – So where exactly are the letters to Science then critiquing Marcott et al 2013? Oh right, McIntyre etc only do science-by-blog as they usually get papers rejected by journals that cover climate science due to being utterly wrongzors. In fact they have such a long history of getting things completely wrong, there’s really no reason to pay attention to them except for amusement/head-desking at their latest line of bullshit

                      /yawn

                      Anyhow, here’s the point where the local fauna @realclimate discuss Marcott et al: http://www.realclimate.org/?comments_popup=14729#comment-323859
                      _____________________
                      *note – use of this product will not prevent you from dying of treatable diseases that you don’t believe in, nor prevent you from being imprisoned for tax fraud

                    • jaymam

                      Since there is no Reply button for One Tāne Huna (why not?) I’ll have to reply here.

                      “Says who?”
                      How about Nick Stokes. If you don’t know who he is, you are not doing enough reading to comment on climate.

                      http://moyhu.blogspot.co.nz/2013/03/next-stage-of-marcott-et-al-study.html

                      [lprent: The usual reason will be that the comments are indented by 10 - which is the limit. Then it stops putting in a reply button. ]

                    • One Tāne Huna

                      I note Nick Stokes’ article fails to mention any withdrawal. I note his (Stokes’) errors are highlighted in the comments.

                    • NickS

                      lolwut?

                      Read both his posts on Marcott et al 2013, both are about how the proxy data is weighted and the subsequent effects this then has on the temperature reconstruction. Amusingly enough, his analysis mostly matches Marcott et al’s reconstruction, so how exactly Nick Stoke’s posts invalidate Marcott et al is somewhat beyond my ability* to work out.

                      And even in the first post he doesn’t slam Marcott et al, he’s just trying to understand their analysis methodology…

                      Ah, so, maybe you should read that post?
                      _________________________________
                      *slightly impaired, ‘NickS needs sleep, 2 day hell-tramp damage too, so theory of mind systems pooped

                    • jaymam

                      “One Tāne Huna … I note Nick Stokes’ article fails to mention any withdrawal.”

                      But he says “I tried first using the published dates, and got a fairly unsurprising result, similar to the paper, except that it lacked a recent spike visible there.”

                      i.e. no recent spike means no hockey stick, therefore the main impact of the paper is discredited by Nick Stokes, who is a supporter of AGW. Is he the same person as NickS?

                    • One Tāne Huna

                      Jaymam, are you blind? Every single one of Stokes’ “new” plots shows a “hockey stick” spike.

                      So does the BEST study.

                      So does Wahl & Ammann 2007.

                      So does Huang 2000.

                      So does Smith 2006.

                      So does Oerlemans 2005.

                      And so, of course does Mann et al 1999.

                      You aren’t very good at this, are you?

                      Claiming that Marcott will be withdrawn from Science, then linking to an article that more-or-less validates Marcott. Pathetic.

                    • jaymam

                      “One Tāne Huna … Jaymam, are you blind? Every single one of Stokes’ “new” plots shows a “hockey stick” spike.”

                      On Stokes’s stupid webpage, all the graphs are chopped off on the right, so no spikes were visible. However the “spikes” are merely an artifact from poor processing. NONE of the original individual data had hockey sticks.
                      I repeat what he says on his website “I tried first using the published dates, and got a fairly unsurprising result, similar to the paper, except that it lacked a recent spike visible there.”
                      I’ll give up trying to reply when there is no reply button.

                    • One Tāne Huna

                      Jaymam, you poor intewebz n00b, right click, then open the image in a new tab. The spikes are all there. But as BEST etc. amply demonstrate, if there’s no hockey stick in Stokes’ analysis, then his analysis is wrong, because everything from the instrumental temperature record to stalagmites to boreholes agree with Mann, and none of your delusional denials will change that.

                      The problem here is that you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

                • NickS

                  :roll:

                  it doesn’t work all the time

                  Learn2read

                  And Marcott?: http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2013/03/11/a-reconstruction-of-regional-and-global-temperature-for-the-past-11300-years/
                  -read the comment thread for key information.

                  Paper: content.csbs.utah.edu/~mli/Economics 7004/Marcott_Global Temperature Reconstructed.pdf

      • grumpy 10.1.2

        Read the link above, completely discredits your journo fan bois…….

        • One Tāne Huna 10.1.2.1

          Then read this one, and realise that you’ve been getting your “science” from politicians.

          Nigel Lawson? Pfft.

        • Draco T Bastard 10.1.2.2

          An ACC denial website as your source? yeah, no.

          • grumpy 10.1.2.2.1

            A warmist scaremonger website as your source? yeah, no.

            • One Tāne Huna 10.1.2.2.1.1

              “We are certainly not taking a critical stance on the basic science of the greenhouse effect or the fact that CO2 emissions in the atmosphere are having an effect on the climate.”

              Benny Peiser, director of the GWPF

              Oops. Your “source” confirms the science. Wingnut fail. :lol:

            • NickS 10.1.2.2.1.2

              learn-2-googlescholar-n00b

              Oh right, actual science is totes too “hard” for you to understand. Especially when you have no understanding of how science works and instead rely on naive social-trust based network weighting for information checking.

              If you were a teenager, it’d be cute, but since you’re not, it’s just pathetic.

              So Learn-2-science-n00b

    • Murray Olsen 10.2

      The Aussies, via Murdoch and the fossil fuel oligarchs, are buying a lot of rubbish. If they buy enough to vote Abbott in, they’ll be paying for it for years. Now please go back to jerking off to your autographed picture of Monckton.

  10. Mark 11

    It seems that the only people still believing in catastrophic AGW are the same ones happy to hand over economic sovereignty to the UN (based on self serving IPCC scare mongers) whilst condemning TPPA for the same reasons.. hilarious…

    Maybe taxing the rich pricks would fix it..

    • One Tāne Huna 11.1

      It seems that weasel words demonstrate bad faith, stupidity, or both

      • Mark 11.1.1

        When you have no credible response, get personal, insult.. Standard tactics.. no?

        • One Tāne Huna 11.1.1.1

          When you start your drivel with “it seems” what is there to respond to?

        • Draco T Bastard 11.1.1.2

          You didn’t make a credible argument in the first place.

        • muzza 11.1.1.3

          Mark you have hit on an interesting observation, one which you can see from OTHs response, is relevant!

          Climate change is happening, but not only for the reasons those here, who think they *have it under control* are prepared to entertain!

          Its like trying to discuss ways to address inequality in NZ, without wanting to address the monetary supply problem first, because monetary supply influences every conversation which might require a policy, or solution, and as such its not possible to arrive at optimal policy or solutions, because people are not addressing the full information set!

          Geo-engineering is happening, been going on for decades, actually it began almost 100 years ago, (don’t ask for further links, go find them yourselves)

          Not considering GE in a discussion around CC, AGW, GW, polluting the planet to death (whatever its being called this week), is a fatally flawed exercise, because again like the monetary supply analogy, people are not discussing the problems with a full information set!

          • One Tāne Huna 11.1.1.3.1

            There you go dupe. Project Onan’s team leader believes in you :lol:

            • muzza 11.1.1.3.1.1

              No, I said Mark had *hit on an interesting, relevant observation*, in observing, that there is little difference between the *pushers* of the IPCC and the *pushers* of the TPPA cart.

              Other than the way most here choose to latch onto their respective products, of course!

              Both are selling the same product, in case you can’t work it out for yourself!

              • One Tāne Huna

                I can understand your drivel, but that doesn’t make it any more compelling, or credible, or anything other than tiresome and cretinous.

  11. One Tāne Huna 12

    Meanwhile, in the real world, the evidence keeps on piling up. It’s all a bit complicated for wingnut minds. Better go back to The Daily Fail.

  12. Mark 13

    Yeah, I remember a whole lot of apparently overwhelming evidence for catastrophic cooling back in the 70′s. Must have been sorted by all the hot air spouted by lefties when blogs were invented..

    • One Tāne Huna 13.1

      Bollocks. You’ve been duped. Again. Another wingnut fail :lol:

      • NickS 13.1.1

        +1

        basic historiography isn’t that hard people, so stop fucking it up.

      • Mark 13.1.2

        …desperately links to similarly ideologically tainted comments.. cannot formulate or forward own arguments due to fear of failure or humiliation.. was this in your School Report? Or maybe it said “shows good understanding of historic class struggle, however unable to easily adapt to reality, will be a willing mouthpiece with little potential for personal success and requires lots of State support” :)

        • One Tāne Huna 13.1.2.1

          No. I’ve demonstrated that your comment at 13 is based on lies, linked to proof that they are lies. I’m prepared to offer you some charity, and assume that you have been duped, rather than that you are a deliberate and cynical liar. The next time, dupe I won’t be so charitable.

        • NickS 13.1.2.2

          :roll:

          This is teh internets n00b, we link in order to not waste time or repeat what someone else has already written and assume others are capable of at least reading the fucking links.

          • Mark 13.1.2.2.1

            I disagree.. you link to either other posts/comments from similarly delusional people here or elsewhere on the web. When that fails you insult those with opposing views, backed by as much “evidence” as you. Intellect fail…

            • One Tāne Huna 13.1.2.2.1.1

              Keep on failing, dupe.

            • NickS 13.1.2.2.1.2

              /smugface

              Daaaawwww

              It’s so cute when they try and sound intellectual.

              Especially more so since Mark thinks anyone who accepts the science on climate change is “delusional”, showing a fundamental failure on his own part to understand science101, sanity-check his own assumptions and actually bother doing some basic research. i.e. many secondary sources will usually link to primary science literature or data records and if need be provide rational for data analysis methodology.

              Thus this leads to networks of information sources and arguments that need to be checked and weighed objectively, or if one knows they lack the necessary background to grasp whatever information, check the fucking experts. Failure to do so is usually due to individuals relying on binary narratives, giving similar weighting to both sides “importance”, rather than looking at the body of evidence. Or the age old stupid habit of a-priori assumptions that are inflexible, with biblical creationists being the perfect example.

    • bad12 13.2

      Lolz, are you not PG by another name back here too shy to use your ‘other’ handle…

      [lprent: see http://thestandard.org.nz/the-difference/#comment-606776 ]

    • Murray Olsen 13.3

      Mark, if you can remember a whole lot of apparently overwhelming evidence, you should be able to give us a source for it. Can you please share that with us? Or if sharing offends your Randian purity, feel free to charge for it.

  13. Mark 14

    But I’m interested in your whakapapa.. or are you just a house honky desperate for a bit of brown in you?

    • One Tāne Huna 14.1

      Not just a dupe, but a racist dupe, then. Classy.

      • Mark 14.1.1

        Classy, pull the racist card.. let me rephrase that that then for you.. are you a house-nigger?

        • One Tāne Huna 14.1.1.1

          Are you a childish dupe? I note you failed to answer my 13.1.2.1, and went straight to an ad hominem approach.

          Was it too hard for you? Or did the humiliation of being shown up as a dupe push some buttons?

          • Mark 14.1.1.1.1

            Your 13.1.2.1 referring to my 13.. when you said it was all lies I assumed that finally you got it and were referring to IPCC.. no such luck I guess as we can call you many things, but not clever. So how about that whakapapa?…or is that you Hans?

            • One Tāne Huna 14.1.1.1.1.1

              As my link clearly demonstrates, there were far more papers concerning the Greenhouse Effect in the ’70′s than any discussing global cooling. The next time you repeat the lie, please remember the humiliation of being exposed as a dupe and have a little sob.

              I’m sure your ancestors had better ethics, but perhaps they were dupes too.

        • bad12 14.1.1.2

          Lolz, PG you naughty little child stop trying to inflame the conversation with such rude references…

          [lprent: see http://thestandard.org.nz/the-difference/#comment-606776 ]

  14. Mark 16

    DTB, please don’t confuse what is a good read with that which opens your eyes and challenges you. It is an essential read for those that have been duped, or are here duping..

    • One Tāne Huna 16.1

      Ooh, you learned a new word. Polly wanna cracker? :lol:

    • Draco T Bastard 16.2

      A good read as far as science goes comes from the scientists – not the delusional people denying what the scientists are saying.

      • muzza 16.2.1

        Bullshit – Scientists are as corruptable and controllable as any other group on earth B!

        Simple as that!

        • One Tāne Huna 16.2.1.1

          *corruptible.

          I figure if it’s going to feature so large in your fantasy life you might as well learn to spell it.

          • muzza 16.2.1.1.1

            So you don’t argue the statement is correct then – Hard to argue it really given how things look to be playing out.

            My interest lies in what the response is going to be once it comes out into the light, if that’s even possible with control over the media, huge influence over universities, and funding streams all stitched up!

            Makes me wonder what all the genuine *dupes* you refer to, believe their life is going to be worth when TSHTF. When I use the tern *dupes* I mean the likes of the tv, radio, politicians et al, who god knows how/why felt like playing along with all this, making crazy statements, corrupt policy, finger poiting, diversion, deflection, and straight up lies!,

            All to protect what, what is it they’re protecting, because they must be into some real life crazy, if they believe their actions will not catch up with them., the same as the decisions/outputs of their actions, will catch up with the rest of us!

            Just keep correcting typo’s, and writing insults online, that will help, greatly, on ya!

            • One Tāne Huna 16.2.1.1.1.1

              :roll:

              Project Onan coming along nicely is it? Do you honestly think I’m going to waste my time arguing with the embodiment of insincerity?

              • muzza

                Even if you wish with every ounce of your being, that I was going to be way off the mark, I won’t be, and its not even because I do anything more than pay attention Bloke, and am not too scared to stick my head up!

                Ignoring, or pretending to ignore as much of what I post as possible, does not make it go away, or less real, so come on, put your smarts to good use, and get active, I reckon you have lots to offer!

                Insincere /snort – My goodness you’re really not very good at this online evaluation thingy eh!

  15. For those interested in a factual approach, NZ climate scientists talking about their work in this new film: http://thiniceclimate.org/.

  16. vto 18

    It would be well worthwhile if the climate changed so that summer was 6 months and each of autumn, winter and spring 2 months.

  17. One Tāne Huna 19

    As for Double Dipton, it looks like he’s pushing the “there’s nothing we can do about it” line as hard as he can. Wouldn’t want the cockies getting the idea that their bought and paid for politicians have betrayed them now, would we?

    • dumrse 19.1

      Is that just like your Union Organisation that masquerades as a Labour Party ?

    • UpandComer 19.2

      Well, first of all what makes you think that NZ killing off a quarter of it’s dairy herd and replacing MFAT, Treasury and MED with Greenpeace is going to make all those people opposite to you in outlook, intelligence and work-ethic in China/India and Africa suddenly be happy to sacrifice a future mercedes for the great white morange One Tane Huna? That one thousandth of one percentage point difference is going to make a massive practical difference. Similarly I think you’ll find they are ‘doing something about it’, they just aren’t going to impoverish the nation for benefit of the befuddled weed addled conscience of the great white morange.

      • One Tāne Huna 19.2.1

        Hey, dipshit, what the fuck are you blithering about? Nothing I wrote, that’s for sure.

  18. Murray Olsen 20

    There is nothing funnier or more nauseating in this world than apologists for fossil fuels claiming to have scientific credibility. Those who denied the health problems of tobacco have found a new stage, but are reading from the same playbook. The only scumbags that I have seen come close are those who claim that the US government sets up school shootings and uses actors as grieving parents in order to take their guns off them. The world has gone mad, and the sooner those who hate scientists so much stop using technology developed because of scientific research, the better. At least it’d keep them off the internet.

    • Colonial Viper 20.1

      Our entire civilisation breathes fossil fuels like it’s oxygen to an athlete.

      The Government needs to be putting $5B to $10B per annum towards infrastructure and societal changes for a fossil fuel free future, and to do so consistently for the next 20 years.

      There is no way under our current political and economic system, nor the leadership they create, that this will occur.

      We should rail against English. But it makes no difference. The game changer is not likely to be found in either National or Labour. Mainstream political parties by definition, are only interested in representing what they believe to be the status quo. And currently the status quo that one barrel of oil generates about $1500 in GDP (at a guess) is more powerful than just about any other narrative out there.

      • Murray Olsen 20.1.1

        Hard to argue with that, especially when each barrel of oil also happens to generate Megabytes of ludicrous anti-science ravings by those wedded to the status quo. The only change I’d make to your post would be to swap “steroids” for “oxygen”. Oxygen is natural.

        • Colonial Viper 20.1.1.1

          I figure that there ain’t nothing more natural than a lump of anthracite…

          • Murray Olsen 20.1.1.1.1

            A lump of anthracite as a natural remedy for climate deniers? Applied appropriately, I can see the advantages.

  19. [deleted]

    [lprent: Violated the privacy policy. You don't out commentators unless you can put to something where they have explicitly outed themselves on the net. Most of the "outings" have about as much truth in them as a Whaleoil's making bullshit about our authors over the years - most of them are just outright lies. So we simply don't tolerate them without credible backing from the person themselves. ]

  20. grumpy 22

    …only getting worse for the warmist alarmists.

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/03/the-hockey-stick-broken-again.php

    [lprent: Aside from treating research from what? 25 years ago as if it is an article of faith, your recent comments look like you're a fire-and-forget link-whoring troll. Don't just link without explanation. Explain why you think it is relevant. Argue your case. So others can tell you why not. If you keep just plastering our site, then you will lose the ability to do so.

    You used to be able to argue - have you lost that skill? ]

    • One Tāne Huna 22.1

      Which hockey stick?

      This one?

      Or this one?

      Or this one?

      Or this one?

      Get a life, loser.

      • ghostrider888 22.1.1

        you are the Bomb Tane

      • grumpy 22.1.2

        Looks like pretty comprehensive allegations of fraud in that link.

        Anyway, as a previous comment said, the far left have destroyed whatever credibility the warmists ever had. It’s all about income protection for vested “scientific” interests and redistribution of wealth for the rebadged far left as “Green”.

        The “science” is over and the bullshit will just quietly fade away like Y2K

        • ghostrider888 22.1.2.1

          pray, do you honestly believe climate change is not afoot

          • Grumpy 22.1.2.1.1

            Who cares, it’s become a political bandwagon for the left. As such it has no credibility.

            • Colonial Viper 22.1.2.1.1.1

              Yep. The moment the Green Party started harping on about the sun rising in the East, the concept lost all credibility and it promptly failed to do so.

            • felixviper 22.1.2.1.1.2

              lolz

        • One Tāne Huna 22.1.2.2

          Fraud at Berkeley?

          “Richard Muller is leading a group of physicists, statisticians, and climatologists to re-estimate the yearly global average temperature, from which we can say such things like this year was warmer than last but not warmer than three years ago. Muller’s project is a good idea, and his named team are certainly up to it.”

          Anthony Watts (before Muller and his team produced the “wrong” results and Watts packed a little tanty.)

          More evidence just keeps piling up, as pointed out up thread. Sea ice extent in the Arctic, ice mass loss in the Antarctic, permafrost in Siberia, melting clathrates, drought, floods, heat waves, glaciers, migration patterns, species coverage.

          Meanwhile, all you’ve got is the same tired old bullshit, and Mann’s hockey stick has withstood every witless challenge. Not that you’d have a clue about that.

          Ask a sparky what happens when a dipole encounters a magnetic field sometime, and then get a life, loser.

        • One Tāne Huna 22.1.2.3

          Pay attention now, Grumpy:

          Macro linked this up-thread but obviously you aren’t here to read. For those who think that maybe there’s something in the so-called allegations of “fraud”, read the link and the ensuing commentary.

          …the Nature paper was clearly based on Chapter 4 from the thesis, and it makes sense to have done so. Of course there were similarities. The question Watts posed was why was that particular change (adding the recent temperature record) made to the paper when it was not the original thesis, and the answer is clearly that it was not necessary given the objective of the original project.

          That’s all that matters here. Watt’s inane query was “I wonder why the difference” and the answer is “because it was irrelevant to the purpose of the original thesis.”

          That’s all.

          “Therefore it is intirely(sic) reasonable to ask about differences between them.”

          No, it’s not. The reasons for the differences are obvious, and the reasons for pursuing it further are obvious as well – to stir up false controversy and to cast doubt upon the motivations and methods of Marcott. That’s all this is, is a Watts/McIntyre denial hatchet-job, and it has no foundation whatsoever.

          My emphasis.

          OK Grumpy you can go back to sleep now.

        • Pascal's bookie 22.1.2.4

          It’s all about income protection for vested “scientific” interests

          OH SHIT! He’s rumbled the gig peeps. time to fess up.

          Here’s how it goes down.

          Whenever someone graduates their bachelors degree in climate science and applies to do post grad, they get taken aside and told that from here on in they have to fudge their data. Everyone agrees to this in the hope of sometime getting a job in the future. Everyone. All of them. Not one of them says anything, not even those who don’t get jobs, or those who drop out. In fact most of those who don’t get jobs are actually hired by the UN and they live under a mountain somewhere and they are the ones who make up all the numbers and send them out to all the officially working climate scientists who cut and paste them into ‘their’ papers. One time an oil exec offered a scientist twice the money to start doing real science but he just laughed and stroked his cat and said not likely mate you don’t know how powerful these neckbeards are ice cores don’t talk to me about ice cores he said and then he said I’ve said too much and if that doesn’t prove it then what does eh what does. But that’s just the tip of the surface.

        • Cedric Katesby 22.1.2.5

          Science denial is science denial is science denial. Only the labels change. It’s a ritual dance as old as the hills.
          Behold…

          It’s all about income protection for vested “scientific” interests and redistribution of wealth for the rebadged far left as “Green”.

          Claim CA321.1:
          “The conclusions of scientists are motivated by scientists’ pay; they cannot be considered objective.”

          The “science” is over and the bullshit will just quietly fade away like Y2K

          Claim CA110:
          Evolution is a theory in crisis; it will soon be widely rejected.

  21. JonL 23

    Will someone please give the “Global warming is a myth and conspiracy” trolls new “facts” they can trot out – the old discredited ones do get rather wearisome on hearing them for the 300th time!
    This thread is why I normally stay away from climate change “discussions” – it always seems to bring out the worst in everyone…….

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    Treasury advised against National’s policy of ramping up home buyer subsidies after it was discredited in Australia because it pushed house prices even higher, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “Documents released under the OIA (attached) show Treasury advised the...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Nursing hours explain turnover and high-stress culture
    A staff survey supports concerns nursing staff at Dunedin Hospital are under increasing pressure and that the emergency department is in a critical state, says Labour’s Associate Health Spokesperson David Clark.  “An ED nursing survey at Dunedin found that 80...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Underhand tactics prove case for axing donations
    Revelations that schools are using underhand tactics to coerce donations from cash-strapped parents further highlights the need for Labour's plan to increase funding so they aren't dependent on contributions from parents, Labour's Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “By law New...
    Labour | 24-08
  • National applies band-aid to housing crisis
    The Government’s flagship housing announcement is a band-aid approach that will push up prices rather than solve the housing crisis, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “House sales to first home buyers have collapsed as a direct result of the Government’s...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Climate change focus on the now for the future
    A Labour Governmentwill put in place a comprehensive climate change strategy focusing on bothmitigation and adaptation, establish an independent Climate Commission andimplement carbon budgeting, says Labour Climate Change spokesperson MoanaMackey."This is about future-proofing our economy. Making the transition to alow-carbon...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Labour’s 21st century transport pledge
    The next Labour-led Government will create a 21st century transport system for New Zealand that promotes the most efficient and sustainable combination of transport options, says Labour’s Transport spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour will rebalance the Government's transport spending away from...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Housing under National: the facts
    1.       House prices in Auckland Council valuations indicate Auckland house prices have gone up by one-third over the last three years. (Auckland Council) The average Auckland house price has gone up by nearly $225,000 since 2008, up over $75,000 in...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Labour irons out low income tax issue
    The increasing casualisation of work has led to many New Zealand families being disadvantaged through the tax they pay, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. "Many low paid workers are having to work two or three jobs to make ends meet...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Cornered Government comes out swinging
    The National Government is so desperate to keep its dead-in-the-water expert teachers policy alive, it has refused to rule out forcing schools to participate through legislation, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “John Key today attacked the Educational Institute for...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Pacific people continue to go backwards under National
    A report from Victoria University highlights the fact that Pacific people are continuing to go backwards under a National Government, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio.  “The report shows the largest inequality increases were in smoking, obesity, tertiary...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Wellington transport plan needs to keep moving
    The failure of the Transport Agency to properly look at alternatives to the Basin Reserve flyover is not a good reason for further delays to improving transport in Wellington, Labour MPs Grant Robertson and Annette King say. “The Board of...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Labour’s focus on inequality, kids and better job prospects
    Tackling child poverty and removing barriers to people working part time to enhance their prospects of moving into a fulltime job are highlights of Labour’s Social Development policy. Releasing the policy today, spokesperson Sue Moroney said while part-time work was...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Political staff should give answers under oath
    The Inspector General of Security and Intelligence should use her full statutory powers to question witnesses under oath about the leak of SIS information, says Labour MP Phil Goff. “Leakage of confidential information from the SIS for political purposes is...
    Labour | 21-08
  • High dollar, hands-off Govt sends workers to dole queue
    The loss of up to 100 jobs at Croxley stationery in Auckland is devastating news for their families and the local Avondale community, Labour’s Employment, Skills and Training spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “The company’s inability to compete in international markets...
    Labour | 21-08
  • National’s flagship education policy dead in the water
    National’s plan to create executive principals and expert teachers is effectively dead in the water with news that 93 percent of primary teachers have no confidence in the scheme, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “The fact that teachers are...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Dunedin will be a knowledge and innovation centre under Labour
    Dunedin will become a knowledge and innovation centre under a Labour Government that will back local businesses, support technology initiatives and fund dynamic regional projects, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Nowhere has the National Government’s short-sightedness been more apparently than...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Inquiry into SIS disclosures the right decision
    Labour MP Phil Goff says the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has done the right thing by launching an inquiry into the disclosure of SIS documents about a meeting between himself and the agency’s former director-general. “This inquiry is necessary...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Labour – supporting and valuing carers and the cared for
    Placing real value on our elderly and the people who care for them will be a priority for a Labour Government, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. Releasing Labour’s Senior Citizens policy today David Cunliffe promised that a Labour Government would...
    Labour | 20-08
  • By Hoki! It’s Labour’s fisheries policy
    A Labour Government will protect the iconic Kiwi tradition of fishing by improving access to the coast, protecting the rights of recreational fishers and reviewing snapper restrictions, Labour’s Fisheries spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “Catching a fish from the rocks, beach...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Mighty River – Mighty Profits – Mighty hard to swallow
    Mighty River Power’s profit increase of 84 per cent is simply outrageous, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “Demand for electricity is flat or declining yet the company has made enormous profits. It is the latest power company to celebrate...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Collins’ actions were wrong, not unwise
    John Key’s moral compass remains off-kilter as he cannot bring himself to declare Judith Collins’ actions outright wrong, not simply ‘unwise’, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “Under pressure John Key is finally shifting his stance but his failure to condemn...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Public servants behaving with more integrity than their masters
    The State Services Commission's new report on the integrity of our state services reflects the yawning gap between the behaviour of public servants and that of their political masters, Labour's State Services spokesperson Maryan Street says. “This report, which surveyed...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Phil Twyford Speech to NZCID
    "Labour's plan to build more and build better: how new approaches to housing, transport and urban development will deliver cities that work" Phil Twyford, Labour Party spokesperson on housing, transport, Auckland issues, and cities.  ...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Labour commits to independent Foreign Affairs and Trade
    “Labour is committed to New Zealand’s Foreign Affairs and Trade policy being independent and proactive, Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer says. “We are a small but respected country. Our voice and actions count in international affairs. Labour will take a...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Key must sack Collins over abhorrent actions
    The latest revelations that Judith Collins sent the contact details of a public servant to WhaleOil in a desperate attempt to divert media attention from a bad story is abhorrent, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key and Judith Collins...
    Labour | 19-08
  • It’s downhill from here under National
    The forecast drop in exports and predicted halving of growth shows that it’s downhill from here with National, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Growth under this Government peaked in June and halves to two per cent in coming years....
    Labour | 19-08
  • John Key loses moral compass over Collins
    John Key has lost his moral compass over Judith Collins’ involvement with Cameron Slater and lost touch with New Zealanders’ sense of right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “Whoever is Prime Minister there are expectations they will not...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Mana Movement General Election 2014 List confirmed
    The MANA List is now confirmed with all the candidates as below (the numbers are the respective Internet MANA rankings). Candidate, Electorate, Internet MANA List Position Hone Harawira, Te Tai Tokerau (1) Annette Sykes, Waiariki (3) John Minto, Mt Roskill (4) Te Hamua Nikora, Ikaroa-Rawhiti...
    Mana | 18-08
  • PREFU likely to confirm dropping exports
    National’s economic management will be put under the spotlight in tomorrow’s PREFU given clear signs the so-called rock star economy has fallen off the stage, with plummeting prices for raw commodity exports, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Under National,...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Record profits while Kiwis face a cold winter
    The record profits by two of New Zealand’s largest electricity companies will be a bitter pill for New Zealand households who are paying record amounts for their power, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “No doubt the Key government will...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Time for John Key to answer yes or no questions
    John Key’s train-wreck interview on Morning Report shows he is no longer capable of a simple yes or no answer and has lost touch with what’s right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key has become so media...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Key must clarify who signed out SIS OIA
    Yet again John Key is proving incapable of answering a simple question on an extremely important issue – this time who signed off Cameron Slater’s fast-tracked SIS OIA request on Phil Goff, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “John Key’s claim...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Time to invest in our tertiary education system
    A Labour Government will fully review the student support system – including allowances, loans, accommodation support and scholarships – with a view to increasing access and making the system fair, transparent and sustainable, Labour’s Tertiary Education spokesperson Maryan Street says....
    Labour | 17-08
  • EXCLUSIVE: Dirt Alert! Are the Greens and Labour about to become the target...
    WE’VE SEEN IT ALL BEFORE. In 2005 pamphlets began appearing all over New Zealand attacking Labour and the Greens. For a couple of days both the parties targeted and the news media were flummoxed. Who was behind such an obviously...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • The Donghua Liu Affair: the Press Council’s decision
    . . 1. Prologue . The Donghua Liu Affair hit  the headlines on 18 June, with allegations that David Cunliffe wrote a letter in 2003,  on  behalf of  business migrant, Donghua Liu. Four days later, on Sunday 22 June, the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • The difference between Cunliffe & Key in the debate
    It was with much interest that I watched the leaders debate on Thursday night.  I watched with an open mind, always happy to have my opinion changed.  Maybe John Key is all the wonderful things that many say about him,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Denis Tegg – When Did We Agree To Our Data Being Shared with ...
    New shocking evidence has emerged from Edward Snowden’s trove of documents about a program called ICREACH under which data collected by the GCSB is shared with 23 US spy agencies. Under new sharing agreements which appear to have commenced immediately after...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Why Internet MANA are the best political friends the Greens could ever get
    Metiria at last nights #GreenRoomNZ: standing on the shoulders and camera cases of giants  NZers, regardless of political spectrum or apathy level, have a wonderful beach cricket egalitarianism about us. If we can objectively conclude a winner, then that person...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Sick of the Sleaze? Protest against National’s dirty politics THIS SATURD...
    Sick of the Sleaze? Protest now dammit! Three weeks before the election, action is being taken across the country voicing a rejection of the National Government’s track record and direction. Rallies are being held in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Sir Edmund Thomas – Address at Nicky Hager public meeting
    I regard it as privilege to chair this public meeting. I have long had the greatest admiration for Nicky Hager’s work, and nothing I have read or heard in the media over the past week or so has caused me...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Labour and New Zealand Superannuation
    The kerfuffle in the wake of Nicky Hager’s Dirty Politics has had a detrimental impact on our discussion of economic policies. Signs are that the main beneficiaries of the dirty politics revelations will be Winston Peters and Colin Craig; certainly National suffered...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Mike Hosking and the Leader’s Debat...
    A few weeks ago I blogged that Mike Hosking was a terrible choice as moderator for the TV One Party Leader’s Debate, because he is so embarrassingly biased in favour of John Key. So I watched the show with curiosity,...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Democracy and Cancer: A critical analysis of Dirty Politics
    Twenty years ago, England’s renowned television playwright Denis Potter died of pancreatic cancer.  Readers may recall his two masterpieces ‘Pennies from Heaven’ and ‘The Singing Detective’.  During a final television interview with Melvyn Bragg, Potter declared that he had named...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Cunliffe beats Key in First Leaders debate
    I watched the First Leaders debate at the Green Party #GreenRoomNZ, they were very kind to include me and the atmosphere was great. The debate was a resounding victory to Cunliffe. He won Round 1, Round 2, Round 3 and...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • LIVE STREAM: The Green Room Leader’s Debate from 6:30pm
    The Green Room will be hosted by media commentator Russel Brown, and will feature Green Co-leaders Metiria Turei and Russel Norman responding to the debate live, along with comment from thought leaders and commentators. ‘The Green Room’ 6pm – 8.30pm...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • How many taxpayer funded staff does John Key need to prepare for a Leaders ...
    John Key is currently at the Auckland Stamford Plaza with 40 staff, 4 undercover police cars and an entire floor booked out in preparation for tonights Leader’s debate. Isn’t 40 staff including coms, flown up to Auckland for a debate...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • A brief word on National Party Rodney MP, Mark Mitchell
    MP considers legal action against Nicky HagerThe National MP says he is considering taking a defamation case after the September 20 election.“Someone needs to be held accountable,” he said. Oh really champ? Brothers and sisters, there is a long way...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Greens advertise on Whaleoil – but not on The Daily Blog?
    PaknSave have shown ethical compass and blocked adverts on Whaleoil, yet the Greens are advertising on Whaleoil, and not The Daily Blog? I would imagine there are far more potential Green voters on The Daily Blog then ever are on...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • It’s about the stupid economy stupid
    In focus group meetings, the sleepy hobbits of NZ by a staggering amount all believe that National are better economic stewards of the country than Labour, that’s why, instead of answering questions about blackmailing MPs, trawling brothels for dirt on...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Labour Policy vs National Policy
    John Key’s favourite defence spin at the moment is people want to talk about policy and not hear answers on the ethics of trawling brothels, why Slater was given SIS information, blackmailing MPs into standing down, rigging candidate elections and hacking...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • The Green Room live streamed on TDB 6.30pm tonight for First Leaders debate
    The ‘Green Room’ will stream 6.pm tonight on The Daily Blog during the TV One leaders’ debate.Use #GreenRoomNZ to join in. The Green Room will be hosted by media commentator Russel Brown, and will feature Green Co-leaders Metiria Turei and Russel Norman responding...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Manukau East – the next Coalition in action
    A couple of weeks ago I had the pleasure of opening Voice Up – a youth forum run by young people in Otara. I had been asked as Chair of the Local Board to set the scene, encouraging young people...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – The Big Bang Theory
    It’s a shame that it took a brain injury for me to start seeing things with such startling clarity. The realisation that lawyering, fishing, parenting, selling cars and racing yachts had common themes was stunning. Not perhaps as stunning as...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, how much Key aro...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • 5AA Australia – New Zealand’s Dirty Politics Aftermath and Polls
    MIL OSI – Source: Selwyn Manning – Analysis Headline: 5AA Australia – New Zealand’s Dirty Politics Aftermath and Polls 5AA Australia: On this week’s Across the Ditch bulletin on 5AA Australia, host Peter Godfery and Selwyn Manning discuss the aftermath...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • La’o Hamutuk calls for inquiry into Timor GAP ‘mismanagement’ of oil ...
    The Suai project on the South Coast … “liberated” land but confused communities.Photo: La’o Hamutuk David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific. AN INDEPENDENT Timor-Leste development and social justice agency has called for an inquiry into the Timor GAP corporation...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • What Is Nicky Hager?
    WHAT WILL HISTORY MAKE of Nicky Hager? That slight, perpetually boyish, journalist who descends periodically, like the admonishing angel in a medieval mystery play, to trouble our consciences and wreak merry havoc with the orderly conduct of our political affairs....
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Can anyone in msm explain how after Dirty Politics that they all got played...
    Would you not think, that after reading Dirty Politics, that our mainstream media wouldn’t allow themselves to get tricked and played again by the VERY SAME discredited pundits? The best new feature on Radio NZ is their ‘Blog Watch’ and their...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Crusher Collins caught out lying about Privacy Commissioner – is this her...
    Crusher angry. Crusher smash own career. Crusher more angry. You would think that after getting outed as such a nasty, vicious piece of work in Dirty Politics, that Crusher would be scrambling to dial back the lies and manipulations. Apparently...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Cunliffe vs Key – first leaders debate
    This is your election ‘moderator’ – just one more reason an incoming Government need to sack everyone at TVNZ and reform it into an actual public broadcaster. The first leaders debate happens this Thursday, 7pm on TV One. I have...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – An Old and Honourable Profession
      When Dirty Politics started to reference an ex-prostitute I began to get antsy. My first response was “come on Nicky, we decriminalised in 2003. Its sex worker.” My second response was “Ah oh. Who was it and did they...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Bought and paid for: the dirty politics of climate denial
    Has climate denial in New Zealand been bought and paid for by corporate interests? We already know that the ACT Party’s routine denial is closely linked to the financial support the party receives from wealthy free market fundamentalist Alan Gibbs,...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • If the msm read The Daily Blog, THIS wouldn’t be a surprise – explainin...
    Yawn. How embarrassing for Hamish Rutherford and Andrea Vance, their breathless article today suggests that the idea of Labour and NZ First cutting a  deal over the buy back of assets  is some how new news. Silly mainstream media  journalists. If...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • How much tax does John Key pay compared to a minimum wage worker??
    Yesterday I did some calculations to find out what tax John Key pays compared to a worker on the minimum wage. And I put out this media release for the Mana Movement: MANA Movement Economic Justice spokesperson John Minto is...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Hip hop death threats – the selective outrage of our media
    PM death threat in hip hop songAn Auckland hip-hop crew slammed for releasing a song with lyrics that apparently include a threat to kill Prime Minister John Key are urging young people to enrol to vote. Kill The PM, by...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Watch Slater turn into Key right before your eyes
    Watch Slater turn into Key right before your eyes...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • I don’t always agree with Patrick Gower – but he didn’t deserve this!
    I don’t always agree with Patrick Gower – but he didn’t deserve this weird spear tackle from behind by his own company. I was listening to this interview at the time, and the awkwardness of it must be the worst...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Is it weird Radio NZ ban me yet still have….
    Is it weird Radio NZ ban me for life because I criticised the Prime Minister yet still have Matthew Hooton, David Farrar and Jordan Williams, 3 of the main protagonists revealed in Dirty Politics as part of their ongoing political...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Christchurch GCSB meeting – why mass surveillance matters in 2014
    This is the video for last weeks GCSB meeting in Christchurch. Don’t forget Nicky Hager’s public meeting Wednesday night in Auckland, TDB will live stream the event in the interests of our democracy. Broadcast starts 7.30pm here on TDB....
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Assange, Greenwald to appear at Town Hall meeting? + KDC is not the hacker ...
    Wikileaks founder and the engineer of revealing some of the largest abuses of power in the modern era, Julian Assange, is rumoured to be appearing at the September 15th Town Hall meeting. Assange would join award winning investigative journalist Glen...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Why Paula Bennett will be the next leader and Hooton throws the Prime Minis...
    I don’t think the public have any idea of the behind the scenes meltdown now occurring within National. There are plenty of decent right wingers who all have ethical standards who have looked at what their leaders have been doing and...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – That Awkward Feeling When Your Campaign Goe...
    Urgh. It’s a thankless and nearly impossible task politically firefighting some days. Somebody (who isn’t you, but who’s in your care, or whom you’ve got a close professional relationship with) does or says something stupid; somebody from the Media’s there...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Joe Trinder – Dirty politics goes viral
    Join the latest social networking craze this election that every Dog Cat and Jabba is putting on their facebook pages.     Joe Trinder – Ngāti Awa Born and born in Ōtepoti Ōtākou, Ex RNZN he is an Information Technology...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Blogwatch: An open letter to David Farrar: Please, be that guy
    Dear David, In light of  Nicky Hager’s book Dirty Politics, you wrote a blog entitled ‘Some changes on Kiwiblog’ and you suggested it was time to tighten up ship on your website, saying “I want to improve trust in myself,...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • What The Hell Was That! Reflections on the media’s coverage of the Intern...
    WHAT, EXACTLY, DO WE KNOW about the confrontation outside Internet-Mana’s campaign launch? Well, we know the news media was there in force. We also know Internet-Mana’s media person, Pam Corkery, blew her stack. We know that Corkery’s outburst led the...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • NZ First candidate – homophobic, bennie bashing anti-intellectual clown
    Oh God, apart from Ron Mark, Tracey Martin, Curwen Rolinson and Winston before midday, the woeful cavalcade of political circus freaks NZ First seem to attract has picked up another hitchhiker. This time Epsom candidate Cliff Lyon who said this about Labour… “If...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Nicky Hager Public Meeting LIVESTREAM on The Daily Blog 7.30pm Wednesday 27...
    As part of our commitment to the 2014 Election debate, The Daily Blog will Livestream the Nicky Hager public meeting in Auckland, 7.30pm live from the Mt Eden War Memorial this Wednesday on this site. Doors open at 7pm. It...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Opening Night. It’s like an opera!
    On Saturday night just gone, we collectively experienced one of the premier panegyrys of political pageantry in our three yearly electoral cycle. For one glorious weekend evening every three years, it’s not the All Blacks or some Super 14 team, or...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, Unions – what ...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Timor-Leste’s Parliament handed ‘humiliating’ defeat over harsh media...
    East Timorese journalists raise their hands to approve the Timor-Leste JournalistCode of Ethics in October 2013. Photo: Tempo Semanal/Cafe Pacific   David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific. PACIFIC SCOOP reported this week that East Timor’s Appeal Court had scrapped...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • THIS is why we need a public broadcaster!
    The richest 20% of us in NZ own 70% of the wealth, with 18% in the hands of the second richest quintile, and 10% in the hands of the middle quintile. Just 2 per cent was owned by people in...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • A vote for Key is a vote for this
    A vote for Key is a vote for this...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • Why the Secret Intelligence Service feeding Cameron Slater information is s...
    Folks, it doesn’t matter if you are Right or Left, the issue of the Secret Intelligence Service being forced to feed a far right hate speech merchant like Cameron Slater with sensitive information is an ‘us’ issue. The SIS are...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • New Zealand’s biggest problems are Economic Issues
    New Zealand’s biggest problems are Economic Issues (41%) while the World’s most important problems are War & Terrorism (35%) just three weeks before NZ Election...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • NZ 2014 Leaders Index – week ending 29 August
    Below is iSentia’s first weekly Leaders’ Index, showing the relative amount of coverage of nine Party Leaders in the lead up to the National Election across news media and social media. We will produce these reports for the next three...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Judgment in Paki v Attorney General
    Tamaiti Cairns said that today’s Supreme Court decision is complicated, but, in essence opens the door for Maori people to go forward with their essential claims to water. Further work is required and Pouakani Trust will continue to pursue its...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Supreme Court Decision on Maori Water Rights
    “ … the Supreme Court refused to give Pouakani people what they asked for, but may have given them something much, much better instead. The Appellants had argued that the Crown’s ownership of the River was as a fiduciary for...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Leaders Dinner with Campbell Live, Dessert with RadioLIVE
    John Campbell is hosting Colin Craig, Winston Peters, Laila Harre, Metiria Turei, Peter Dunne, Jamie Whyte and Te Ururoa Flavell LIVE from Auckland’s Grand Harbour Restaurant on Wednesday 3 September at 7pm....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Credit unions in the political spotlight
    Dirty politics was put aside last night as senior politicians outlined their universal support for growing the cooperatively owned credit union and mutual building society sector in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Maryan Street on issues of importance to older people
    Liam Butler interviews Hon Maryan Street MP on issues of importance to older New Zealanders...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • John Hanita Paki and others v The Attorney-General
    JOHN HANITA PAKI, TORIWAI ROTARANGI, TAUHOPA TE WANO HEPI, MATIU MAMAE PITIROI AND GEORGE MONGAMONGA RAWHITI v THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL OF NEW ZEALAND FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE CROWN (“THE CROWN”) (SC 7/2010)...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Last Nights Leaders Debate Drives The #nzpol Wordcloud
    Following last nights leaders debate on TV One between John Key and David Cunliffe, the data insight organisation Qrious collected all tweets that used the hashtag #nzpol from approximately the last 24 hours to produce this wordcloud....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Campaign suggests reason behind suicide gender statistics
    An online campaign about meaning and belonging has revealed an interesting connection with the difference in suicide rates between men and women....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Act Policy Vindicated by Sensible Sentencing Data
    ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte says the Sensible Sentencing Trust's just released analysis of 3 Strikes legislation "proves ACT was right to promote the policy and that it has made New Zealand a much safer country. The figures show beyond...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • “Robin Hood tax and other clever ways to help our kids”
    It’s time to talk about tax. Not just income tax but other kinds of tax too....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Cannabis Laws Breach Treaty – ALCP
    Cannabis prohibition is neo-colonial oppression resulting in the disproportionate imprisonment of Maori, the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party says....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • 2014 Variation Broadcasting Allocation Decision Released
    The Electoral Commission has released a variation decision on the amount of time and money allocated to political parties for the broadcasting of election programmes for the 2014 General Election....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • New Zealand Shoppers- Demand Blue Tick Accredited Products
    Following ongoing concerns surrounding the issue of animal welfare in farming, particularly in the layer and broiler chicken sectors, the RNZSPCA is now asking consumers to purchase only eggs, pork, turkey and chicken that have been Accredited by the Blue...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • EDS welcomes Labour’s Environment Policy
    The Environmental Defence Society has welcomed Labour’s Environment Policy which recognises that New Zealand cannot have a healthy economy without a healthy environment....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Candidate calls for an end to institutional racism
    29 AUGUST 2014 Tāmaki Makaurau candidate, Rangi McLean has spoken up in support of Irie Te Wehi-Takerei who was wrongfully accused of shoplifting at a Warehouse store in Manukau. "Over the last month, two different supermarkets have been...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Making tertiary education more accessible to Māori
    29 August 2014 The Māori Party launched its tertiary education policy today at Te Huinga Tauira o Te Mana Ākonga, the national hui for the Māori Teritary Students Association in Palmerston North. Te Tai Hauāuru candidate Chris McKenzie says the...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • NZ Sign Language programmes receives $11 million boost
    Deaf Aotearoa are thrilled with Education minister Hekia Parata’s announcement this week that $11 million in funding will go towards a range of New Zealand Sign Language initiatives, including First Signs – a programme that involves sign language...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Abortion violates the Human Rights of Fathers
    Fathers1Right to Life is concerned at the glaring imbalance that exists in law, in regard to the rights of men to defend the lives of the children they have fathered. Fatherhood commences at conception. Children in the womb, just like...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Hundreds to join march against male violence in Auckland CBD
    Hundreds of supporters are expected to join the 'Take Back the Night' march through central Auckland streets tomorrow night in solidarity with making the streets safe for women and the rainbow community to walk without fear of male violence....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Classic example of need for Conservative policy
    The Conservative Party Justice Spokesman, Garth McVicar believes the sentencing of killer Aaron McDonald is a classic example of why an overhaul of the parole and sentencing system is required.”...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Greens & Labour Politicising Bullying in Schools
    Family First NZ says that both the Greens and Labour are wanting to politicise and sexualise school children under the guise of bullying programmes rather than deal with the school bullying issue as it should be dealt with....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Wellington National Is Not Our Future Rally 30/8/14
    Thousands of people will march and rally at National is not our Future events on Saturday. Auckland is the main rally centre with supportive actions in Wellington, Dunedin, Christchurch and Hamilton. In Wellington, marchers will assemble at Te Papa...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • EPA grants marine consent for OMV exploration well
    The Environmental Protection Authority has granted a marine consent to OMV New Zealand Ltd for its Whio-1 exploration well in the Taranaki Basin....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • First anniversary of the horrific chemical attacks on Syria
    Members of the Syrian Community and friends are commemorating the first anniversary of the horrific chemical attacks on Syria, in Aotea Square on Saturday 30 August 2014, between 11-3 pm. The Assad regimes chemical attacks on al Ghouta were responsible...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Anniversary of the NZ Occupation of German Samoa
    Today, 29th August 2014, marks the 100 years centenary of the occupation of Samoa by New Zealand forces at the request of the British empire, ending the German rule of Samoa. It is also the starting point for the special...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Submissions sought on mosquito repellent
    The Environmental Protection Authority is calling for submissions on a portable mosquito repellent for use outdoors. The repellent consists of a strip impregnated with metofluthrin, a substance from the pyrethroid family....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Spot the difference – the leaders debate
    I watched the Leaders' debate last night and was struck by the fact that John Key accepted all of David Cunliffe's basic assumptions. For example, he did not say that the government should not tell farmers who they could sell...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Colin Craig’s tax figures do not add up and are dishonest
    “Colin Craig’s tax plan is to have two rates of income tax: 0% up to $20,000 and 25% above that. This will leave a $6.4 billion hole in the budget even before the new spending proposed by the Conservatives. The...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Dirty Politics Impacts National Party Support
    Media Release – For Immediate Release Dirty Politics Impacts National Party Support Support for National has dropped by 4.3% to 50.8%, the latest stuff.co.nz / Ipsos political poll shows....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Labour’s environment policy welcomed
    The independent conservation organisation Forest & Bird says that overall the Labour Party’s newly released environment policy would go a long way towards protecting New Zealand’s natural heritage....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • National: Not our Future Marches across New Zealand
    Three weeks before the election, action is being taken across the country voicing a rejection of the National Government's track record and direction. Rallies are being held in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin to oppose National's...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Tune in to tonight’s debate from 7pm
    The countdown is on! You can watch the first leader’s debate for 2014 tonight, 7pm, on TV One ....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Gamblefree Day 1 September
    It's Gamblefree Day this Monday 1 September, the national awareness day for problem gambling in New Zealand. While traditionally celebrated on the first day of September, many events and activities are held both before and after this day to raise...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Success through captioning should be a given as a Right
    Success through captioning should be a given as a Right per the Convention on the Rights of People with Disabilities...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Alcohol Marketing Committee Questions Government’s Motives
    An Independent Expert Committee on Alcohol Advertising and Sponsorship (IECAAS) has been formed out of concern amongst alcohol and public health researchers about the government’s Ministerial Forum on Alcohol Advertising and Sponsorship (MFAAS)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • How Much Higher Can Auckland Prices Go?
    National's plan to liberalise the use of Kiwisaver funds and its proposal to raise ts cheap "Welcome Home" loan thresholds to help buyers purchase a new home has been welcomed by home building companies but attacked as a "welfare scheme...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • OPC submission period extended
    We have extended the submission period for the modified reassessment of a bee control affecting five organophosphate and carbamate insecticides (APP202142)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Vinay Deobhakta struck off roll of barristers and solicitors
    The New Zealand Lawyers and Conveyancers Disciplinary Tribunal has ordered former Tauranga lawyer Vinay Deobhakta to be struck off the roll of barristers and solicitors....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Major parties to front up for Climate Voter election debate
    New Zealand’s main political parties will take part in ‘The Great Climate Voter Debate’ on September 3....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Family violence… too big to be ignored
    As Annah Stretton gears up for her New Zealand Fashion Week show on Thursday she is utilizing her spotlight to help change the face of family violence in this country saying “the problem is far too big to ignore”....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Candidate’s SOS to northern Maori voters: Save our seats!
    (Extract from address by Rev Te Hira Paenga to Kura Hourua Maori Political Leaders hui, in Whangarei this evening)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Mary O’Neill to Stand for the Alliance in Napier
    The Alliance Party has confirmed Mary O’Neill as the Alliance candidate in the Napier Electorate for the 2014 election....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • TONIGHT [28/8/14]: The Great Political Comedy Debate
    It's a night for debating. You could stay home frowning at tonight's Leaders debate, or laugh it up with us at BATS!...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Cunliffe against personal responsibility over billboards
    The accusation by David Cunliffe that the Conservative Party is subscribing to a surveillance society by protecting its billboards via the use of motion sensor cameras reveals an anti-personal responsibility position by the about-to-be-retired Leader...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Groundbreaking health and climate conference
    The World Health Organization (WHO) is holding its first conference on climate change and health at its headquarters in Geneva this week, with New Zealand health experts in attendance....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Te Tai Tokerau Party
    Last night at the Leadership Academy of Company A debate Clinton Dearlove announced the creation of a new political party supported by Whanau and Hapu....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Significant fallout from Dirty Politics allegations
    Dirty politics ... costing National up to 3.8% of its pre-publication support Large numbers of New Zealanders are aware of and talking about the issues raised as a result of the publication of Nicky Hager’s book, Dirty Politics, according to...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Colin Craig is “deluded and dangerous” – Act
    “Colin Craig is proposing a radical transformation of our constitution. The Conservatives are proposing to overthrow of one hundred and fifty odd years of parliamentary democracy and replace it with binding referenda” said ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
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