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	<title>Comments on: Espiner on National&#8217;s use of the crisis</title>
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		<title>By: BLiP</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/espiner-on-nationals-use-of-the-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-123287</link>
		<dc:creator>BLiP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C&#039;mon fellas - its Johnty we&#039;re slagging off. Its gotta be Ronnie Hazlehurst&#039;s famous piccolo theme tune, surely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#8217;mon fellas &#8211; its Johnty we&#8217;re slagging off. Its gotta be Ronnie Hazlehurst&#8217;s famous piccolo theme tune, surely.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnty Rhodes</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/espiner-on-nationals-use-of-the-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-123286</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnty Rhodes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;[deleted]&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;b&gt;[lprent: irrelevant and unconnected to either the post or the comments. Troll elsewhere]&lt;/b&gt;</description>
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<p><b>[lprent: irrelevant and unconnected to either the post or the comments. Troll elsewhere]</b></p>
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		<title>By: Johnty Rhodes</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/espiner-on-nationals-use-of-the-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-123285</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnty Rhodes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh really GWW. You are a real numpty. He did not take these companies down. He was succesful in his own right &amp; is a much better option than the crook Cullen is for finance nous. 

Your obsession with him is really getting to you. He is more sucessful than Clark &amp; Cullen ever were. They have taken the best years of growth and what do we have show for it, a train set &amp; decades of deflicts.

Was his wife &amp; children at home when you stalked his place tonight?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh really GWW. You are a real numpty. He did not take these companies down. He was succesful in his own right &amp; is a much better option than the crook Cullen is for finance nous. </p>
<p>Your obsession with him is really getting to you. He is more sucessful than Clark &amp; Cullen ever were. They have taken the best years of growth and what do we have show for it, a train set &amp; decades of deflicts.</p>
<p>Was his wife &amp; children at home when you stalked his place tonight?</p>
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		<title>By: Felix</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/espiner-on-nationals-use-of-the-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-123284</link>
		<dc:creator>Felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ride of the Valkyries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ride of the Valkyries.</p>
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		<title>By: BLiP</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/espiner-on-nationals-use-of-the-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-123223</link>
		<dc:creator>BLiP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 03:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Create crisis move quickly and move on to next issue&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Crosby/Textor 101</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Create crisis move quickly and move on to next issue</p></blockquote>
<p>Crosby/Textor 101</p>
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		<title>By: ghostwhowalks</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/espiner-on-nationals-use-of-the-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-123220</link>
		<dc:creator>ghostwhowalks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 03:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whos stalking??. hes a public figure
Has there credible threats to his safety or  is St Stephens Ave a no go area ( digital wise or even physically)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whos stalking??. hes a public figure<br />
Has there credible threats to his safety or  is St Stephens Ave a no go area ( digital wise or even physically)</p>
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		<title>By: sally</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/espiner-on-nationals-use-of-the-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-123219</link>
		<dc:creator>sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 03:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Create crisis move quickly and move on to next issue &lt;/i&gt;

Hit and run politics. Don&#039;t let the facts get in the way of a good crisis...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Create crisis move quickly and move on to next issue </i></p>
<p>Hit and run politics. Don&#8217;t let the facts get in the way of a good crisis&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: r0b</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/espiner-on-nationals-use-of-the-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-123143</link>
		<dc:creator>r0b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;  Create crisis move quickly and move on to next issue &lt;/i&gt;

Sadly it&#039;s a tactic that plays well to the news cycle and quick superficial reporting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>  Create crisis move quickly and move on to next issue </i></p>
<p>Sadly it&#8217;s a tactic that plays well to the news cycle and quick superficial reporting.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor Mallard</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/espiner-on-nationals-use-of-the-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-123137</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor Mallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me a bit of the Douglas/Prebble approach. Create crisis move quickly and move on to next issue. with Joyce in Cabinet it is like having Bevan Burgess on constant tap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me a bit of the Douglas/Prebble approach. Create crisis move quickly and move on to next issue. with Joyce in Cabinet it is like having Bevan Burgess on constant tap.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Pilott</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/espiner-on-nationals-use-of-the-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-123066</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Pilott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking &#039;Imperial March&#039;...

Rex, remember you&#039;re the jaded cynic here - us lefties are used to a Government that does what it says it will - a luxury no doubt, but we were spoiled by Labour&#039;s 5th iteration weren&#039;t we?

So it might come as no surprise to see National doing stuff it said it wouldn&#039;t, and taking action that is vastly different in ideological bent to their campaigning, but it certainly marks an unfortunate and dishonest change from the last Government.

Cap:  &#039;40 pinkola&#039;.  Someone with Johnty Rhodes&#039; measly intellect would probably lose bladder control with that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking &#8216;Imperial March&#8217;&#8230;</p>
<p>Rex, remember you&#8217;re the jaded cynic here &#8211; us lefties are used to a Government that does what it says it will &#8211; a luxury no doubt, but we were spoiled by Labour&#8217;s 5th iteration weren&#8217;t we?</p>
<p>So it might come as no surprise to see National doing stuff it said it wouldn&#8217;t, and taking action that is vastly different in ideological bent to their campaigning, but it certainly marks an unfortunate and dishonest change from the last Government.</p>
<p>Cap:  &#8217;40 pinkola&#8217;.  Someone with Johnty Rhodes&#8217; measly intellect would probably lose bladder control with that one.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Pilott</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/espiner-on-nationals-use-of-the-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-123065</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Pilott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Ian, it certainly is Orwellian to disagree with something someone says, and then agree with something completely different from the same person.

Oh wait - that&#039;s called &#039;Critical Thinking&#039;.  Methinks Mr Llewellyn might want to try sometime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Ian, it certainly is Orwellian to disagree with something someone says, and then agree with something completely different from the same person.</p>
<p>Oh wait &#8211; that&#8217;s called &#8216;Critical Thinking&#8217;.  Methinks Mr Llewellyn might want to try sometime.</p>
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		<title>By: BLiP</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/espiner-on-nationals-use-of-the-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-123064</link>
		<dc:creator>BLiP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Better late than never. Perhaps Espiner has decided to get off his arse and do some invesitgating and fact checking instead of swallowing . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Better late than never. Perhaps Espiner has decided to get off his arse and do some invesitgating and fact checking instead of swallowing . . .</p>
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		<title>By: ghostwhowalks</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/espiner-on-nationals-use-of-the-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-123056</link>
		<dc:creator>ghostwhowalks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonty, we know all about how the Wall St bonuses are calculated, based on illusionary profits.

And why is Key considered a &#039;success&#039; ?.

Every where he has worked has turned to dust,  and these were all long standing firms before  he and his ilk joined them.

Lane Walker Rudkin- gone
Elders                    - gone
Bankers Trust         - gone
Merrill Lynch           - gone

NZ National Party    - TBA ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonty, we know all about how the Wall St bonuses are calculated, based on illusionary profits.</p>
<p>And why is Key considered a &#8216;success&#8217; ?.</p>
<p>Every where he has worked has turned to dust,  and these were all long standing firms before  he and his ilk joined them.</p>
<p>Lane Walker Rudkin- gone<br />
Elders                    &#8211; gone<br />
Bankers Trust         &#8211; gone<br />
Merrill Lynch           &#8211; gone</p>
<p>NZ National Party    &#8211; TBA ?</p>
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		<title>By: the sprout</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/espiner-on-nationals-use-of-the-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-123052</link>
		<dc:creator>the sprout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wall to wall negative coverage for National on RNZ this morning, which I expect will be echoed by TVNZ tonight. I wonder how much longer those polls will hold up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wall to wall negative coverage for National on RNZ this morning, which I expect will be echoed by TVNZ tonight. I wonder how much longer those polls will hold up?</p>
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		<title>By: bobo</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/espiner-on-nationals-use-of-the-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-123035</link>
		<dc:creator>bobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People don&#039;t remember every specific policy but it alters their overall perception of a party in general terms, the same way the anti-smacking policy did for Labour even though it wasn&#039;t of their making and supported by National.

I don&#039;t think referring to cities other than Auckland as provincial New Zealand is correct , this isn&#039;t a rural vs urban argument or that wasn&#039;t what I was getting at , it&#039;s a just a region the size of Auckland should be able to pay for its own infrastructure . Rail networks are not sexy propositions to pitch to the public unlike rugby stadiums.

Gingercrush - Labour increased its majority in their 2nd term whether that was down to voters being happy with a government for once doing what they had pledged to do with no nasty surprises as hadn&#039;t been the case for decades before it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People don&#8217;t remember every specific policy but it alters their overall perception of a party in general terms, the same way the anti-smacking policy did for Labour even though it wasn&#8217;t of their making and supported by National.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think referring to cities other than Auckland as provincial New Zealand is correct , this isn&#8217;t a rural vs urban argument or that wasn&#8217;t what I was getting at , it&#8217;s a just a region the size of Auckland should be able to pay for its own infrastructure . Rail networks are not sexy propositions to pitch to the public unlike rugby stadiums.</p>
<p>Gingercrush &#8211; Labour increased its majority in their 2nd term whether that was down to voters being happy with a government for once doing what they had pledged to do with no nasty surprises as hadn&#8217;t been the case for decades before it.</p>
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